@lozgibbs243 I'd like to say that, I, for one, find this piece simple and beautiful, but above all just peaceful. It isn't some kind of musical number game to me, just a balanced, wandering, stream of startling tone colours. If you don't feel the same, cool, there are lots who don't, and I can see why this isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, you do yourself a disservice by trolling on this vid.
@ICanHazCatBurger I wasn't trolling at any point buddy, I was merely venting my feelings over the few minutes I wasted listening to this because I really find it bland and boring as music. I'm only still here because people keep replying to my comments...
It's not trolling if you're retorting to someone attempting to offend you.
That's not trolling or anything. If its a waste of time to you cool, but you needn't be coarse or disrespectful in your language when you KNOW you're communicating with fans of Cage. Don't cuss about on vids like this and expect anything but a response.
Now composers write music maybe using a twelve tone row, or some prepared piano techniques and other stuff all mixed together. Each of these pioneers has given something that composers now can take to the next level. Some of the stuff may sound pretty stupid, and admittedly, lots of it may not seem to have a point. But when you are experimenting with new ideas, there are bound to be some that are kind of dumb. It doesn't make the person experimenting an idiot.
For all of you haters. Throughout the 20th century people have experimented with many different forms of music. You had indeterminacy with John Cage, twelve-tone serialism with Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern, different forms of serialism with Babbitt, Boulez, and the like. Minimalism in the 70s. Each of these composers pioneered a new technique, often to the exclusion of others. Gradually, using ONLY ONE of these techniques has fallen out of style.
For cage to be able to transfer his notation from musical, to spatial temporal events - i.e. dance, basic action etc. He must be given recognition further than 'overly douchey'. His piece water walk may not sound good, but already you've missed the point. He was about using notation in new, exciting ways, opening possibilities further than for your musical enjoyment. Please read up on this eye-opening serial composer before slating him!
@r0bz0rly - It would be art if you declared it so, but the quality would depend on how you did it. This piece is absolutely beautiful. Yes, people think I'm strange, but I have no problem with that, and the people who really know me like me anyways. But the music video to this... Not good quality in the first place and doesn't go with the music AT ALL.
excuse me while i go and hit the chimes in my back yard, then put a cat in a bass drum and start playing. is that art? i don't see how it could be any less art than this is.
@r0bz0rly Are you a music theorist or a composer? If you had been studying and composing music for decades like Mr. Cage, and then went out to your backyard and did that stuff, but with expert perspective, then yes, it would be art.
@dropbows90 I've been studying music for a few years now, but I still don't like this idea that anything can be declared art. or that something like this can be declared high quality art, I just think it seems overly douchey, yeah he tried something new, but it isn't the most breathtaking thing i've ever heard, I gotta say.
@r0bz0rly That's the thing. Art isn't necessarily about being "breathtaking" nor is it necessarily about emotions. Anything cannot be declared art. Cage had a saying that if you find something boring after 2 minutes, listen to it for 4, if still boring, then listen to it for 8, then 16, then 32. Eventually it will become interesting. Most of the modernist artists, whether it is in visual art, music, dance, poetry, theatre, have this idea that the audience needs to be a part of the performance.
@AtBunkergateSeven Nah, you're right, I worded that wrong. It would still be art. The difference is that it most likely wouldn't gain a large following and you wouldn't be able to find it on Wikipedia or in history books (or on Youtube with 60,000 hits) like you can with John Cage's music... precisely because he had so much expertise. You don't need any formal training to make art, I agree with you on that.
@NiseePoo17 Its understandable that people who didn't write it may be upset, because if they identify with it and care about it, then an attack on the piece may feel like a more personal attack. Regardless, people should just try to be nice to eachother ^_^ I love this piece, I think its beautiful, but not everyone will, and thats cool.
i doubt he could as this piece is complex and designed in certain way so that the number of beats matches that of certain numbers, for example the crochets in this sonata = 28 this music is not created for entertainment purpose but more for art, and if you don't like it don't listen to it! simple right :)
@Azathothblackmetal One thing is art and other is maths. The crochets in the sonatas does not create a complicated form of art, this is just a fail of a video performance.
@mightyafrowhitey The people that think you HAVE to know all the rules and stuff from music, or an art in general, are SO WRONG. Rules are for politics and democracy, not for art.
Oh shit everybody! This guy says it's not music. Stop listening now! Scholars the world over are all wrong! Remember: music has a very limited definition and can only be done one way. Color inside the lines, folks!
As far as your nephew, I'm sure he could write it out and perform it repeatedly. ;)
yeah man, let's not colour inside the lines and make all our music lack tonality and every miniscule piece of its structure have to obey mathematical rules, to the extent that it expresses and conveys absolutely nothing. Scholars all over the world are also wrong if this IS music, because there are such things as interpretation and opinion. Here's mine.
What are you supposed to get out of this?
BillsFan716 2 months ago
I like your idea for this video. Very surprising vegetables!
microcitemica 3 months ago
amazing work
akiratoriama 3 months ago
great work!
cacacaz 4 months ago
well this is a big pile of shit.
lozgibbs243 4 months ago
@lozgibbs243 , if that's true, then you are more worthless than an amoeba
luigiperso 3 months ago
@luigiperso Ad hominem everywhere cockmunch.
It's all fine and dandy this piece being 'art' but if it sounds like shit you're hardly going to listen to it very often.
Don't cry cause I'm right bro.
lozgibbs243 3 months ago
@lozgibbs243 I'd like to say that, I, for one, find this piece simple and beautiful, but above all just peaceful. It isn't some kind of musical number game to me, just a balanced, wandering, stream of startling tone colours. If you don't feel the same, cool, there are lots who don't, and I can see why this isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, you do yourself a disservice by trolling on this vid.
ICanHazCatBurger 3 months ago
@ICanHazCatBurger I wasn't trolling at any point buddy, I was merely venting my feelings over the few minutes I wasted listening to this because I really find it bland and boring as music. I'm only still here because people keep replying to my comments...
It's not trolling if you're retorting to someone attempting to offend you.
lozgibbs243 3 months ago
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@lozgibbs243 "well this is a big pile of shit."
That's not trolling or anything. If its a waste of time to you cool, but you needn't be coarse or disrespectful in your language when you KNOW you're communicating with fans of Cage. Don't cuss about on vids like this and expect anything but a response.
ICanHazCatBurger 2 months ago
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John Cage really inspired me for my own compositions.
Check from soundcloudcom/jami1998. Try "Computer Interlude"
MrJami1998 4 months ago
Beautiful video, beautiful music. Whoever edited this: excellent job! I love it.
parmesancrisp 6 months ago
NICE NICE NICE
adolfkaw 6 months ago
I think the video detracted more than it added to the music.
goldencricket 8 months ago
I guess to enjoy this music, you must be able to tell a lot of bull shit, reading the reactions.
njamnjambokesmechoco 8 months ago
Now composers write music maybe using a twelve tone row, or some prepared piano techniques and other stuff all mixed together. Each of these pioneers has given something that composers now can take to the next level. Some of the stuff may sound pretty stupid, and admittedly, lots of it may not seem to have a point. But when you are experimenting with new ideas, there are bound to be some that are kind of dumb. It doesn't make the person experimenting an idiot.
TheDantepellegrino 9 months ago
For all of you haters. Throughout the 20th century people have experimented with many different forms of music. You had indeterminacy with John Cage, twelve-tone serialism with Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern, different forms of serialism with Babbitt, Boulez, and the like. Minimalism in the 70s. Each of these composers pioneered a new technique, often to the exclusion of others. Gradually, using ONLY ONE of these techniques has fallen out of style.
TheDantepellegrino 9 months ago
mmm crystal meth @ 1:14
ACletthereberockDC 9 months ago
this is the first result when you type in boring classical music
zeppelin0321 10 months ago
@zeppelin0321 it was hardly made to be entertaining!
jedancovek 9 months ago
Great experimental...
ZombieDolphinFilms 10 months ago
@Golmon251 That`s what I meant (:
demoniodelamemoria 10 months ago
L'illustrateur-image de ce clip est excellent !
Magnifique réalisation.
J'aime.
Merci.
cgranelli 11 months ago
For cage to be able to transfer his notation from musical, to spatial temporal events - i.e. dance, basic action etc. He must be given recognition further than 'overly douchey'. His piece water walk may not sound good, but already you've missed the point. He was about using notation in new, exciting ways, opening possibilities further than for your musical enjoyment. Please read up on this eye-opening serial composer before slating him!
sodoffufus 11 months ago
Holy shit I freaked out 2:13
shanigal1809 1 year ago 3
Check out my John Cage tribute video "The Probability of Chance" by jusstfnsk8
Jusstfnsk8 1 year ago
great job, lucas...
pcappelletti 1 year ago
wonderful.
TheFate23 1 year ago
Blah Ajemian's interpertation is better.
nuclearRabbit123 1 year ago
The first note sounds suspiciously like Windows 95 popping up an error box! Cage was clearly ahead of his time.
equin0x80 1 year ago 16
bello! gran pezzo!
freddypira 1 year ago
brillant - love it!
LLaOOnda 1 year ago
@r0bz0rly - It would be art if you declared it so, but the quality would depend on how you did it. This piece is absolutely beautiful. Yes, people think I'm strange, but I have no problem with that, and the people who really know me like me anyways. But the music video to this... Not good quality in the first place and doesn't go with the music AT ALL.
AyumuVanguard 1 year ago
excuse me while i go and hit the chimes in my back yard, then put a cat in a bass drum and start playing. is that art? i don't see how it could be any less art than this is.
r0bz0rly 1 year ago
@r0bz0rly Are you a music theorist or a composer? If you had been studying and composing music for decades like Mr. Cage, and then went out to your backyard and did that stuff, but with expert perspective, then yes, it would be art.
dropbows90 1 year ago
@dropbows90 I've been studying music for a few years now, but I still don't like this idea that anything can be declared art. or that something like this can be declared high quality art, I just think it seems overly douchey, yeah he tried something new, but it isn't the most breathtaking thing i've ever heard, I gotta say.
r0bz0rly 1 year ago
@r0bz0rly That's the thing. Art isn't necessarily about being "breathtaking" nor is it necessarily about emotions. Anything cannot be declared art. Cage had a saying that if you find something boring after 2 minutes, listen to it for 4, if still boring, then listen to it for 8, then 16, then 32. Eventually it will become interesting. Most of the modernist artists, whether it is in visual art, music, dance, poetry, theatre, have this idea that the audience needs to be a part of the performance.
DruidRobur 8 months ago
@dropbows90
so it wouldn't be art if I did something along similar lines, since I don't have a degree and training? Bullshit. Anyone can make art.
AtBunkergateSeven 10 months ago
@AtBunkergateSeven Nah, you're right, I worded that wrong. It would still be art. The difference is that it most likely wouldn't gain a large following and you wouldn't be able to find it on Wikipedia or in history books (or on Youtube with 60,000 hits) like you can with John Cage's music... precisely because he had so much expertise. You don't need any formal training to make art, I agree with you on that.
dropbows90 10 months ago
@dropbows90
:)
true about the large following also :)
AtBunkergateSeven 10 months ago
i like this video great job
yannpa28 1 year ago
this piece is delightful, the performance is wonderful, and the cinematography is impeccable
gthaq 1 year ago
beautiful interpretation
we can hear music like Godard do
toranuguitars 1 year ago
I liked that
HoldingWay 1 year ago
great video... thumbs up
meakkka 1 year ago
That was amazing.
davidalso 1 year ago
That's it!? Man, I was just getting into it. *heads off to look for more Cage*
TheRealmsOfGold 1 year ago
there's plenty of room for invention and conceptualism in the definition of music
hawkeye1ism 1 year ago
did the lady in the shower just get her period?
hawkeye1ism 1 year ago
stop getting offended YOU DIDNT WRITE IT so dont get mad wen someone doesnt like it. Its a comment. Get over it.
NiseePoo17 1 year ago
@NiseePoo17 Its understandable that people who didn't write it may be upset, because if they identify with it and care about it, then an attack on the piece may feel like a more personal attack. Regardless, people should just try to be nice to eachother ^_^ I love this piece, I think its beautiful, but not everyone will, and thats cool.
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
wow¡¡¡¡ it's very well
ejemii 1 year ago
Inspiring.
xXxAdamGxXx 1 year ago
Awesome
Grubenpony12 2 years ago
this is dope.
TheSinghFIRE 2 years ago
thanks to ur images,the music seems something else,not empty of sense,good job man:chapeau!
pianofortegrego 2 years ago
Beautiful playing, nice job of preparation. I think Cage would have been pleased that so many use his music to support widely varying images.
camaysar222 2 years ago
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One of the best craps signed Cage
laurion69 2 years ago
i doubt he could as this piece is complex and designed in certain way so that the number of beats matches that of certain numbers, for example the crochets in this sonata = 28 this music is not created for entertainment purpose but more for art, and if you don't like it don't listen to it! simple right :)
Azathothblackmetal 2 years ago 20
@Azathothblackmetal One thing is art and other is maths. The crochets in the sonatas does not create a complicated form of art, this is just a fail of a video performance.
demoniodelamemoria 1 year ago
@mightyafrowhitey The people that think you HAVE to know all the rules and stuff from music, or an art in general, are SO WRONG. Rules are for politics and democracy, not for art.
demoniodelamemoria 1 year ago
@warney91 Thumbs up.
demoniodelamemoria 1 year ago
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this isn't music, it's some guy playing with a piano...my 3 year old newphew could make this "peice" of music
pnutchell123 2 years ago
you should record your nephew playing. seriously i'd like to hear it.
andrew11235 2 years ago
Oh shit everybody! This guy says it's not music. Stop listening now! Scholars the world over are all wrong! Remember: music has a very limited definition and can only be done one way. Color inside the lines, folks!
As far as your nephew, I'm sure he could write it out and perform it repeatedly. ;)
Nobody cares about your ignorant opinion.
blackdeathgrind 2 years ago 2
@blackdeathgrind
yeah man, let's not colour inside the lines and make all our music lack tonality and every miniscule piece of its structure have to obey mathematical rules, to the extent that it expresses and conveys absolutely nothing. Scholars all over the world are also wrong if this IS music, because there are such things as interpretation and opinion. Here's mine.
warney91 1 year ago 4
@warney91 maaaate, nature is maths, beauty in what is not what we conceive, or something along those lines...
hawkeye1ism 1 year ago
@warney91 you quite obviously know nothing about music. or art in general for that matter.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
LOVE the part where the statue is looking at itself in the mirror hahahaha.
cellerianbot08 2 years ago
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fucking shit
Slashslashslash114 2 years ago
very impressive. Godard could not have done better.
akihiroando 2 years ago 3
celluloid colors ....
summoner131 2 years ago
Who's the player? It seems Boris Berman's version.
deadlift65 2 years ago
fantasic !!!
massi29795 2 years ago 2
2:09 - TOMATO!
excellent piece! bravo for the upload! :D
thedrumbum1990 2 years ago 2
this is my life.how did he get that video?
helengidari 2 years ago
this is John Cages offical music video, it was a big hit on MTV.
haha only joking :)
splatcrash 2 years ago 51
#3 on TRL for like 6 weeks
ctdjazz 2 years ago
crap!!!! let him try make a living with it
the parasite lived off tax dollars
if its art, let the art lovers pay for it
thecancomic 1 year ago
@splatcrash hahaha LMAO!!! this comment made my day.
Lunatic187000 1 year ago
amazing!
deerpet 2 years ago
beautiful
Bbcat1789 2 years ago
...WoW...
jannokas85 2 years ago
Eh bien, j'aime !
RealMasadAlem 2 years ago
Very good.
ModestBandit 3 years ago