Apartheid Paradigm Palestine-Israel Noam Chomsky Annapolis

[solpapisolmook]

Why does Amy Goodman, that dumb cunt, say "aparthade," instead of "apartheid"? It's so annoying.

[rachelgolem]

Israel is just like South Africa, except the 18% HIV infection rate.

[johnnyfast]

Israel and it's apartheid ethnic cleansing policies will also survive chomsky and a new generation will see the zion cult crimes and speak. Chomsky is only the messenger, the facts remain for all time and the zionist controlled media's best efforts to distort and suppress the truth will continue to fail. Without billions of dollars in US welfare payments and massive military assistance israel will simply cease to exist.

[elZeide2]

Chomsky is a person with quite a big obssesion against Israel, but fortunately Israel will survive him.

Chomsky is not the first nor the only jew that has a problem carrying his jewishness, and although he can think as crazy as he wants, the problem is that he disseminates grossly erroneous ideas about the Arab- Israeli conflict.

He speaks about Israeli crimes. That expression isn't a mistake: it's a lie full of hate.

AM ISRAEL CHAI VEKAYAM !!!

Long Life to Israel !!!

[InformationPollution]

@elZeide2 Blind patriotism is not a good thing. There is no denying that the Palestinian civilians are being abused by the policies enacted by Israel.

[elZeide2]

@InformationPollution Blind patriotism is as bad as the lies that Chomsky said about what Israel is doing.

Please, make a cold analysis of facts, and you will see, crystall clear, that Chomsky conclusions are wrong. But he believes he has a God mandate to prevent the world. A very very jewish posture by the way.

[americaisnotevil]

What about in the South of Thailand? What shocking crimes have been committed to the Muslims there? What kind of shocking crimes have been committed to the Muslims in China? Quit buying the bull crap. It's not right to kill people, even if you think government policies are so bad, it doesn't mean you should commit acts of terror.

[FreshMount]

"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?" -- David Ben-Gurion

[eileenfleming]

On July 26, 1973, a draft resolution affirmed the rights of the Palestinians and established provisions for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territories as embodied in previous General Assembly resolutions.

But, Washington killed this international effort to end Israels occupation of Palestinian lands.

THE REST @ WeAreWideAwake[dot]org

September 24, 2009: Obama, Ahmadinejad, Gaddafi, Empty Chairs and Two Thomas's

[mistermoen]

Wow. A video of the most brilliant political scholar, coupled with the dumbest, least founded youtube comments I have ever read. Why am I surprised?

[iloveamerica001]

@mistermoen= comments come from my american friends ............. dumasses dont know shit about our world.. but they will next year when every thing crashes

[GreatGrumbledook]

Hey! The old pervert is even an anti-Semite to bad for him that the Jews decided to come back after 2000 years of retirement and once again fighting Syrians and Egyptians! The strange thing is, that one does never hear such perverts about wars like those in Congo, where did in the last few years about 5 million people without the world even noticing it; or Darfur, Burma, Sri Lanka or Tibet, all conflicts much more bloody and brutal than this media hoax of an conflict in the vicinity of Israel...

[tkstka]

what the fuck are you talking about...

you are fucking nuts.

There is no god and there is no fucking 2 coming..

[ma11ohad]

this have nothing to do with god.

this have to do with horrible racism in Europe and eventually caused the biggest refuges problem in history. europe manly the UK decided to use those refugees by allowing them to have a state on a small land with no natural resources and they made sure that they will also be surrounded by Arabs that wants to kill  them. mean while keeping the chaos in the mid east and making sure that the British empire control the oil.

[ma11ohad]

I am a third generation to the holocaust I have no rights in europe even though my grand father was a european citizen they took every thing from him. I have no Noam Chomsky that protects my rights not human rights groups to protect my rights. yet we the Israelis with all the horrible history have human rights group to protect the palestinians. and this must change no more using us. Israel is here to stay as the Jewish home land and the only land in the word that Jews can be free

[tkstka]

You are even more delutional.

First of all there is no big conspiracy of racist covernments in europe who are trying to downplay jews or any other religion for that matter..

The only anti Israeli sentiment is directly Israels own fault by attacking innocent people in palestine because some terrorist "MIGHT" be there.

That way spread terror to palestinians and colonize palestine.. You already have devided the lands in to small sections and made the moving impossible for palestinians.

[tkstka]

Now if israel would stop doing nazi like stuff and stop using Holocaust as a excuse like you did bringing it up in a conversation.

Nobody gives a shit if you are third generation holocaust survivor.. you didnt even experience holocaust so SHUT UP...

The fact is your grandad and granmother were in camps and being attacked by their race and religion should make you feel sympathy for palestinians but instead you want to be a fucknut and keep blaming everything on innocent people.

[tkstka]

The fact is Last attack on Gaza was illigal and Israel attacked first by blowing the smuglers gaves and killing their only way to get medical support and food to Gaza..

Israels sanctions have made palestine to starw and their economy has dropped dramaticly.. They cant bring goods to outside and they cant bring anything in because the roadblocks and sanctions made by Isreal.

This sanction and the attack of the gaves were violation of the 2007 peace agreement.

[tkstka]

palestinians have done everything that was agreed on the agreement but Israel didnt do her part.

Israel agreed to let the flow of goods in and out of palestine to be and let the palestinians grow economy. This was not done by Israel istead they just let 40% of their import free and tighten it ever since.

Second was to give the lands back what was not done by Israel.

Third was to stop the violence and both of them did until the last conflict started by Israel.

[tkstka]

Those are facts..

and nobody can deny them.

[elZeide2]

@tkstka you know that what you wrote are not "facts" is plain Arab propaganda lies. However they request that you publish it on YouTube. Did they give some money to you for this job?

But I'll suggest you better to learn some real facts of the last 150 years in the Land of Israel, or if you prefer, for the last 3,500 years. You will find Jewish presence always.

[ma11ohad]

does palestine agreed to a two state solution? base on 1967 borders? no

have you read hamas agenda?

and you are fulling your self if you think that this conflict is not european and mostly British interest. the UK could solve this conflict on day one. palestinians are shooting rockets one southern Israel on a daily basis. before the siege . the siege and the war is the result of those rockets. and I know you think that my life is not as important as yours but I don't

[tkstka]

YEs it does... they have been doing so since the 80's.. It's not the two state solution what they dont agree..

They dont agree with the Illigal tako-over of palestine.. It has nothing to do with two states.

They want their own state but israel doesnt want to give lands that they have taken.. The settlers are what are between the solution and israel doesnt want to take the settlers away..

Dont lie about the reasons..

[elZeide2]

@tkstka sorry, but YOU are lying. What you wrote is not true.

Arabs leaders don't accept the "Two States for Two Peoples" formula. And this is the reason all peace talks fail. 

[ma11ohad]

the cease fire ended when Israel caught hamas men smuggling rockets in to gaza.

yes. the cease fire is not for hamas to gain weapons to attack Israel later. between that event and the cast lead war there was months of daily rockets attack of palestinians on Israel

[tkstka]

That might be so but it's still hypocritical of Israel to attack palestine for 60 years and when they smuggle weapons for their own protection kill 1000 civilians that didnt have anything to do with the conflict..

This is immoral and wrong and if you are going to defend that position then by all means but dont expect to be taken seriously

[tkstka]

BTW your rocket theory is bullshit..

Israel has been bombing 70,000 tons of cells in after the 2007 peace solution and that figure doesnt even add the cells from the last conflict.

So your whole argument is one sided with bad information..

please stop the bullshit.

[elZeide2]

@tkstka BTW all your speech is BS.



[ma11ohad]

the Arab attacked Israel 7 times since it was created. you are the one that got it wrong. between the smuggling incident and the actual war there was months of constant rocket fire on Sderot. over all 8 year of rocket fire on southern Israel in witch Israel did not reply. the life in sderot been a living hell. the town today is a gohst town no economy people are suffer. and thats why I justify the war. and if it was your town under attack you would feel the same

[tkstka]

Arabs didnt attack anything like Jews didnt attack anyone... It's states and states and organisations. States and Organisations dont represent the people or race.

This conflict has nothing to do with race Arabs or Jews it's about humanrights and illigal occupation of lands.

If this was about race the UN would be there in a heart beat. Thou they have tried but ever since the 80's but US and Israel are the ones who have been vetoed it every time.

[ma11ohad]

its not about race... who said anything about race. but in 1948 the mid east was controlled by the british there was no Arab nationality or counties at the time. this is why the war in 1948 war general Arabs fighting general the new Israel. plus the AL Arabia the Arab unity is a political organization so in short I say Arabs. as for Israel I can say that as an Israeli I am a part of every decision my government make and so does every Israeli we very involved in our government as a democracy

[tkstka]

"the Arab attacked Israel 7 times since it was created"

You are clearly saying that Arabs are attacking a nation called israel. I didnt say it you did.

The right thing to say the names of the countries or "terrorist" organisations but you want to refer them as Arabs. Arab doesnt equal terrorist, nor does Jews for that matter.

And just because someone is named al arab doesnt mean it's all arabians. If I but Al Jews does that mean jews?

[tkstka]

This is the same kind of probaganda hardcore zionist(refering to people who want to exterminate palestinians and believe in Great Israel for world power) want you to hear.

Just make everything under a label and make everything black and white. Arabs = Terrorist = Evil and Israel = USA = Good..

This kind of word play doest play with anyone who is aware of it but there are alot of people in USA who are easily fooled. Expecially the Christian right.

[ma11ohad]

I never said that there is good and evil there are two nations trying to survive here. all the Zionist conspiracy crap is racist and you should know better or do your research but lucky for you you can talk to Israelis on YouTube

[tkstka]

It's not a conspiracy..

There are Zionist and they want to expand.

If you spended any time at bars and speaked with people you would hear very racist and nationalist narcistic views and the hate in youths.

There are people that are openly trying to speak about these things and they get ridiculed.

[ma11ohad]

I am a Zionist!!! I believe that the jewish nation have a right for an independent state in Israel. I don't want to expand any thing. so please tell me again what Zionists wants? you are saying the Zionist looking for world domination and its a racist conspiracy. we barely fighting for our lives in the tiny land of Israel

[hardyk1]

oink oink! OINK !.......PIG!

[ma11ohad]

Thank you. it is amazing how I can wright pages after pages about all the problems in the middle east of racism and hate and intolerance in the muslim world. and then a kid like you will show up and prove my point in one comment .

[hardyk1]

well, sorry for saying that, but im a south african muslim and zionism is no diffrent then the christian appartide white who said god gave them that land.We lived it, you dish it out!

[ma11ohad]

well it is very different. 1. there Is a UN resolution the decided that the Jewish nation have a right for independence in Israel. 2. the Jewish nation have obvious history and connection to Israel not just religious. 3. two sates solution was and is always the only solution the Arabs started a war on Israel and lost. there is no connection between the Israel palestinian conflict and south Africa, the only racism in the middle east is Muslim racism to other groups

[aewester]

Saying things like "the only racism in the middle east is Muslim racism to other groups" is a PERFECT way to make absolutely nobody believe anything else you say.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

You're trying to tell me that Jews don't generally look down upon all Muslims as lower forms of life? Give me a break, buddy.

[ma11ohad]

you clearly don't know history.

first hamas was elected by the palestinians. second 5 wars out of seven were against , Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. AKA the ARABS COUTRIES. the PLO is sponsored by Saudi Arabia, Hamas is sponsored by Iran. Hamas is not a terror group hamas after the election is palestine

[tkstka]

and they didnt need to use smuglers gaves if israel wouldnt have them under sanctions and 70% of their import been frozen..

They are basicly starwing and dying there from the lack of basic goods.

Your whole argument falls because the reason Hamas did what it did was because Israel's actions that they said they would stop in the 2007 peace agreement

[ma11ohad]

there is not. the UK copied the mid east for years with absulit power. in 1948 the UK war superior power in the region. it was their decision to split the land in to 3 impossible ways to ever have peace the same exact thing they did in Iraq. Israel is a country with no natural resources it depends on international trade and communication. Israel is still in the control of America and Europe .

[tkstka]

Your argument is weak..

There can be peace. The only thing infront of peace is the settlers and the far-right party that wants Israel to expand.

This has been since 60's and by denying it you lose credibility.

[ma11ohad]

look I been a peace activist way before you where born. settlements witch I am very much against and fighting against in my country started in 1967 the war started in 1948. and still I don't justify settlements. Gaza and the west bank are separated both politically and geographically in middle of this two places there is Israel.

[tkstka]

Yes they are because of the military occupation of Israel for 60 years..

Dont you think that places such as Gaza and the west bank would grow separate after that long time..? I'll give you the fact that they havent ever been close but seporation doesnt help.

[ma11ohad]

let me tell you something why is it major interest of Israel to have a two state solution. today is mainstream in Israel and an open discussion but the world is so full of Arab propaganda nobody is listen to the Israelis. today in the land of Israel a Palestine together that are the same number of Arabs and Jews. the thing s that the Arab population is growing 4 times faster then the Jewish population. so in the long run if Israel to remain democracy it will have to become an Arab state

[tkstka]

Let me get this strate..

what the world thinks doesnt matter..

UN has tried to intervene with Palestine and Israel from the 80's and USA veto'd it every time.

What matters is what US thinks and it's totally under Zionist probaganda.

The rest of the world has been unanimous for peace deals but Israel and US has been against them ever since the first proposal 70's

I think Noam Chomsky talked about this in one of his videos and books.

[tkstka]

And you are saying that Israel is wanting peace?

Havent you been watching the news over there for the past mouth?

Israel has no intention of peace as long as the Right-Wing-Nationalist are in charge and the settlements and expansion of israel is still undergoing.

If they had any intention for peace they wouldnt destroy homes of innocent people and target civilians.. They want the hate to continue so they can retaliate when some angry desperate palestinian youth goes for revenge..

[ma11ohad]

I never voted Likud but you would see that likud party made peace with Egypt and returned Sinai , Likud withdrew from Gaza and destroyed every Jewish settlement in Gaza. last time Bibi was prime mister he destroyed settlements in Hebron (extreme Jewish right town). not to mention that now there is a unity government in Israel the labor party (left) and likud (right) are siting together in the coalition. and kadima (center) in the opposition. AKA the knesset have major mandate for peace

[ma11ohad]

What the world think IS VERY IMPORTEND!!! and lucky for us the world support a two state solution. this is the only solution this is the solution that is on the table now with the road map. it is very very complicated but this is the only solution. the knesset voted in favor of this solution. and Obama and Europe are pushing for this . hopefully we will See palestine next to Israel and Israel will finally withdraw from the west bank in the next few years it is an Israeli interest

[tkstka]

Obama has no intention for the two state solution and Europe isnt as united most european countries dont even care about middle east.

The only voice in France and Britain and both support openly the attacks on Palestine and are against two state solution.

The world has always been for the two state solution and Palestine tried to get it pass in 96 or was it 97 but Israel rejected it back then.

And Israel has no intention for two state solution.. Some induvituals might have but not Israel.

[ma11ohad]

I am an Israeli and you are telling me what Israel want. I just explain to you why a two state solution is an interest of Israel. and not of the groups that wants Israel to be destroyed

[tkstka]

Yes..

Of corce there are some mad people who want Israel to be destroyed but nobody takes them seriously just like nobody takes those people seriously who think Palestinians should be destroyed.

The only difference is that those who believe that Palestinians should be destroyed have voting rights and vote for more violence every change they get, just like those who want to do Israel harm get bombs and blow themselfs up.

[tkstka]

The difference is others are made heroes and the other side are flamed as terrorists.

Now the real question is WHY didnt israel want peace and two states in the 80's 90's and to 08?

This is hypocrisy and it should be told and shown what it truly is. If Israel truly wanted peace they would have done it a long time ago.

It's about yearn of blood and the expansion.

Why dont you explane the expansions?

What right does israel have to expand and not expect retaliation?

[ma11ohad]

does not matter the right wing that want Palestine destroyed in a minority in Israel so at the end they don't get much power in the knesset. the people thet have power in the knesset are pro two state solution.

[tkstka]

Well they dont have that much of numbers but they sure do have probaganda machine and the USA evangelist christian people that are like half of the population of US are under their influence.

When having a rational Debate they always have voice and thus making the dabate a stupid shouting contest and about punchlines and black and white talking points.

Most people are ignorant of the world affairs and are easily influenced. Just because their numbers are small doesnt mean they dont have power

[aewester]

The people who get power in the knesset are NOT pro-two-state solution. Again with your ridiculous lies!!

Israel and the U.S. have been consistently BLOCKING a two-state solution for over thirty years.

That's like trying to say that the people who get elected to congress in the U.S. are pro-peace.

[valeagathon]

@aewester Oslo Agreement maked sure to form the Palestinian Authority,governed by OLP,and,at least de jure,a first step towards a Palestinian "Arab"state(the 2nd one,but that's another story).Don't you think that this is actually a start?

[aewester]

@valeagathon Well, it could possibly be a start, except for 2 glaring problems. The first is that the Palestinian people didn't have a legitimate hand in creating this political program that is supposedly designed to save them (which is acceptable, if you are a racist, colonialist/orientalist shitbag). The second problem is that, under the PA, the Palestinians have only LOST land, political/economic rights, resources, and territory to settlements faster than ever before.

Fuck Israel's PA sham.

[valeagathon]

@aewester PLO has been made by Arafat,man,and the PA,the Palestinian Authority,has been made by Arafat.I thought you guys liked him.Also,it doesn't seem to me that they(the Palestinian Arabs)lost land.They actually earned it.Thanks to Oslo Agreements,Gaza Strip and the West Bank are part of what will be the Palestinian(2nd)State.Gaza Strip is,as of now,fully independant,while the West Bank,it will,hopefully,become fully PA(continue)

[valeagathon]

@aewester once the IDF gets out of it,and once the terrorists stop doing their job.Settlers aren't a problem,if you give them Palestinian citizenship and some little privileges the PA will be ok with them too.Without counting what the settlers could contribute to the 2nd Palestinian Arab state(1st one being Jordan.=Settlers could be helpful to estabilish a working economy and all.

[aewester]

@valeagathon Settlers are stealing all the land and water. They should gtfo. Would you accept Palestinian settlers protected by a powerful military inside Israel? No. Fuck that, obviously.

Also, you lost all credibility when you said the Gaza strip is fully independent. It is completely DEPENDENT on Israel to manage (severely limit) all of the imports and exports, and to not bomb the people and infrastructure at any time. Are you a govt. propagandist, or do you just genuinely not know anything?

[valeagathon]

@aewester neither me do like settlers and,in all honesty,i think they're a big problem.still,to think of removing 300.000 people from an area smells like ethnic cleansing.what to do?get settlers out of israel's responsibility zone(removing them citizenship) and,if possible,put palestinians too in jewish settlements(i know they have pretty overcrowded cities).basically,make the settlers palestinians.that's what i'm saying.i think the palestinians can only earn from this.(continue)

[valeagathon]

@aewester gaza strip is,politically speaking,independant.there isn't occupation,there aren't jews anymore(not even gilad shalit),settlements were destroyed 6 years ago...it's independant to me.bombing infrastructures you say?ask yourself why.tell me,do you think that israel kills palestinians and destroys infrastructures just because "hahahahaha me bez j00ish,and me bez ivil und greedy mWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA".do you think they do it for no reason?just to harm?are you really that illuded?

[valeagathon]

@aewester "Are you a govt. propagandist, or do you just genuinely not know anything?"

and that one shows tons of arrogance.i'm a private citizen,18 year old,living in italy.i wouldn't give a cent neither about my ECB-owned government(wich,anyway,got other problems,like limiting the crisis' damages,surely not israel)nor about your jew-owned one.ya,they own your filthy ass,and you aren't doing anything.i think you like taking jewish dicks in your back,do you?you're all words and no facts

[valeagathon]

@aewester not just you,all of you americans can only complain about anyfuckingthing and do nothing,in the end.your arses are sticked with glue to your chairs and your sofas,watching crappy tv shows and commenting on yt and 4chan and watching porn.that's all you ever do.not people,plebs,that's what you are.

[solpapisolmook]

@aewester Was Ehud Barak "blocking" the solution when he offered everything the Palestinians were asking for, in 2000?  Idiot.

[aewester]

@solpapisolmook

he didn't offer everything they wanted. he offered far less than 100% of palestinian land, no sovereignty, restrictions on land use, etc. Look it up-- do your research first, don't just listen to the Israeli and U.S. governments.

[solpapisolmook]

@aewester He offered all of Gaza, 97pc of West Bank (with 3pc of land swaps in Israel to make up for it), refugee compensation and repatriation for a number of them, and splitting Jerusalem down the middle.

Take your Palestinian propaganda and fuck right off with it. Goddamned leftist.

[tkstka]

Why didnt Israel want UN to come there with peace protectors?

that would have been the end of it?

but it would have ended the israelise movement on palestine.. So that's why.

This is what Zionist dont want to people to hear.. they want to talk about their talking points and not the facts.

[ma11ohad]

peace can be if the palestinians will have a united government that will agree to the two state solution. that will agree that refugees will go only in to palestine and not in to Israel, then you need to think how to connect between the two part of palestine with out constantly risking Israelis. also is this new country going to have an army? is it going to be sponsored by Iran? is it going to be controlled by hamas.

[tkstka]

But israel has intertwine with the political structure of Palestine for so long and is clearly trying to seporate palestine.

It's divide and conquer and israel has been doing it from the 60's.

[ma11ohad]

bottom line Israel voted for the two states solution for 14 years now both in general election and in the polls. but its not only up on the Israeli people it must be made by signed agreement with palestine and the international community. there must be security guarantees to Israel form NATO. and all this can only be done if palestine have one strong government. the fight right now is about making hamas and Fatah sitting together and talk. FYI the hate and the bullshit is on your side

[SMoldie]

dO THE WARS ACROSS THE WORLD NEGATE THE GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE. hYPERBOLE OVER SERIOUSLY, All wars are obscence, the palestine conflict is the worst simply because the collective gulit of the Western powers whom all had anti-semitic policies throughtout there history, woke up after the nightmare of the holocaust and simple made the only group not responsible pay for there unimamginable evil. Please note I'm not a pervert or anti semite, just a reader of history. Peace brother

[GreatGrumbledook]

@tkstka: Are you sure? At least there is a third or even more coming of Israel with or with-out God.

@SMoldie: Stop the whining! The Jews were no better treated in the Mohammedan world than in the Christian! If not they would not have virtually all come to Israel after its founding! And even before: A Persian plotted the extermination of the Jews about 500 BC, the plot failed and the Jews celebrate their Purim feast because of that. Israel was founded anew by the Jews long before the Nazis...

[aewester]

@GreatGrumbledook No, Chomsky has "noticed" it, and has spoken on it. According to him, however, ho doesn't know very much, partly because he hasn't spent enough time studying the conflict, and partly because very, very little research and observation has been done there.

The difference between Congo and Palestine/Israel is that the US govt. is funding and supporting the aggressor/usurper in the Middle East, while we do not have as much of a direct responsibility for the deaths in the Congo.

[dudemantwo]

zakimar dumb dumb...this Jew is on your side...

zakimar is a dumb macaca...Noam Chomsky is on your side...

[dudemantwo]

zakimar leave Canada...we don't want you...

The Canada Mounties know about you...you need to be deported...

You are a sick, bad, and evil person...

Other than that, I hate you...

Zakimar leave...go...we don't want you...

[BIGSBYTREM]

HOW DARE you! Just because you were the cradle of civilization,the spark of progress and invented Algebra is no reason to speak poorly about the Jews after all they invented uhhhh ahhh the uh HMMMMMM !!!Fuck it I LOVE ALGEBRA!

[ignatiusofantioch2]

I think the US government must assess its excessive support for Israel using our taxes at the expense of disregarding the rights of others like the Palestinians and fueling hatred against Americans around the world.

I think its time now. Jewish businessmen like Lehman brothers, Madoff and others who have shaken our economy for their greed and have bled the ordinary Americans helpless should be given a deep thinking by our policymakers.

[Diosade]

The book: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe

[FreePalestineFFS]

Free Palestine

[Spudson]

Firstly, idb87 what zaki said about 9/11, his point is here for all to read so there is no need to keep reitorating it, it weakens your arguement. As neither Palestinian or Jew, the way I see it is the palestinians are being repressed heavily and the latest invasion of gaza is nothing more than letting people know the state of Israel can and will attack exactly the same as Iran's missle tests. America's silence in this proves that even they are doubtful as to whether it can be justified.

[Spudson]

The world stage is changing drastically and the old order is fading. However it amazes me that, I'm assuming, both idb87 and zaki feel strongly about this issues. The question is for what purpose? If it is because you both wish for peace and happiness for your respected sides, then I suggest you are merely repeating timeless mistakes and not doing anything to help acheive this. If its because you wish the others distruction I suggest you both join up on your respected sides and stake your lives.

[nessalk1]

chomsky is self-hater! jews will rule the world ashim ahala rachma!!

[Utka9]

I took Zakimir's advice to visit the site he suggests. lots of interesting infos-

the debate Chomsky had with Derskowitz was extremely interesting.

[idb87]

Lol.

LOLOLOLOL.

Such a paranoid anti-semite.

Go flex your troll muscle at Stormfront.

[idb87]

Who's trolling? All I ever see of little Zaki-boy is how god-awful the Jews are, even if his rant is irrelevant.

'9/11 is all the more a tragedy because there weren't any Jews in the building.' - Zakimar

[pikechris1]

from 1,2 mio 4 mio refugees... bogus ever read through one of those 69+ resolutions? useless and bogus. 50,000+ per capita times 7mio capita = 3.5 x 10^11. thats ca 58 times the world population. 250,000+ per capita times 7mio capita = 1,75 x 10^12. thats ca 291 times the world population. 60,000+ per capita times 7mio capita = 4,2 x 10^11. thats ca70 times the world population. why does the ummah refuse to ratify the human rights charter? what planet are you living on zakiboy?! what a piece

[idb87]

Jimmy Carter also says Israel is a wonderful deomcracy.

What, exactly, are you trying to prove with this point? That the Palestinians are being treated poorly? So?

[idb87]

How do you feal about the Arab occupation of Palestine? What about the refugees created after the creation of Pakistan? The Jordanian civil war?

[idb87]

Face it, you're a biggot.

'9/11 is all the more a tragedy because there weren't any Jews in the building' - Zakimar

[danielnz1]

1000s of crude rockets fired into Israel over last yr, as children of Holocaust survivors what response did Hamas expect, Sweets? Then Hamas does not re-new Egypt brokered sieze-fire, so (no surprise) heavy retaliation in Gaza. The world would fully support their cause if they only attacked the IDF, till the basic core issue is resolved, Palestinian national reconciliation and the quick just establishing of an independent peaceful Palestinian state. .

[danielnz1]

This only possible with a fresh Obama administration embarking upon a course of forceful regional action and diplomacy for the internationally recognized principles and only solution "Land for Peace" under a two-State joint regional settlement, recognized and supported by nations of the region with UN or Nato peace-forces quickly replacing Israel occupying military in a new Palestinian State, until both sides learn politics is the Art of the possible so enough to be civil neighbours

[idb87]

Blacks have always been disparaged and discrimiated against by Whites and other ethnicities throughout history - they've always been thought to be inferior and a parasite - does this mean Blacks deserve to be genocided? Your blatant anti-semitism is breath-taking.

'9/11 is all the more a tragedy because there weren't any Jews in the building' - Zakimar

[oobahy]

Israel is a racist state (U.N. Res. 3379). Israel has NO constitution. It is not a democracy but a garrison state in which Jews oppress non-Jews.

[oobahy]

IAEA has failed miserebly, they are looking for nukes in Iran, but guess what, there ARE nukes in israel, but they just do not look there.. STOP ISRAEL AGGRESSION, STOP ISRAEL OCCUPATION..

[Vatashinya]

Bravo Chomsky!  I'm a huge fan of yours!

[avi087]

IDF soldiers uncovered missiles and anti-tank rocket launchers in a Gaza schoolyard in late Thursday (May 22). The anti-tank missile launcher and a stack of missiles were found at a school in Sajaiya, in northern Gaza, during routine counter-terrorism operations.

Talk about using kids as human shields....

[oobahy]

and Israel has 10000 times those weapons and they are put in use everyday, why is this not terrorism?? so, israel has the right to defend itself, and palastenians do not have the right to defend themselves??

[jennnkc]

Whatever Israel does is self defense. Whatever the arabs do is aggression.

[impdream70]

Israel didn't put the nukes under a school numbnuts.

[jimiydoorshamelech]

as i said arabs adopted worse form anti-s

POGROMS

Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jerusalem (1847), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901-02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901-07), Port Said (1903, 1908), Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891), Istanbul (1870, 1874), Buyukdere (1864), Kuzguncuk (1866), Eyub (1868), Edirne (1872), Izmir (1872, 1874).[64] There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828.[65] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[65]

[jennnkc]

The IAEA discovered hundreds of nukes in Israel -- oh wait, they didn't. Israel does not allow inspectors in. Isn't that one of the reasons we were given for invading Iraq?

[jetspino]

Israel openly owns nuclear arms you dumb fuck.

[impdream70]

Isreal has the m as a deterrent to the countries that actually plan to use them.

[mujaku]

Israel is a racist state (U.N. Res. 3379). Israel has NO constitution. It is not a democracy but a garrison state in which Jews oppress non-Jews.

[ma11ohad]

NNOT Israel about Palestine. Carter, Chomsky, finkelstein and so on all stress that. but you choose to hear just what you like. we don't want palestine. palestine is a problem to Israel. take palestine build a government and create you state

[ma11ohad]

NNOT Israel about Palestine = NOT ISRAEL BUT PALASTINE AKA the occupied territories

[ngatiranaore]

........ one should understand that if one really believes to be the chosen, the rest is the leftover. Palestinians are the best example of the leftover. From 1948 it is that Palestine became smaller and smaller. Now the process keeps on going and no politicians dares to critizes Israeli state terror for the fear of being labeled antisemite. I hope I have not made any grammatical mistakes. I usually do.

[baboola]

Noam Chomsky needs some strong medication very badly and very soon. This guy is a master of taking things out of context and falsifying facts. His interpretations are based only on his own theories. He can not back with evidence any of his "facts".

shame for M.I.T.

[nikancuole]

Give an example.

[baboola]

Concessions offered by Israel at the 2001 Taba conference according to Mr. Chomsky had been a fabrication!

Why would Mr. Clinton or Mr. Barak lie? Why would the Bostonian Globe, or the rest of world media for that matter, lie ?

And how come Mr. Chomsky knows more than the participants of the conference themselves? Is Mr. Chomsky - a paranoid, or is he an inventor of "facts", designed to support his fantastic theories.

[whimmsickle]

for the same reasons you so easily defend them.

[baboola]

You mean to say - for the same reasons Mr. Clinton, Mr. Barak and the world media so easily defend them.

I have a strange feeling u believe in conspiracies. Those that suit your beliefs, much like Mr. Chomsky.

Good day.

[3rdWorldUnite]

It seems to me that baboola is naive with regards to world affairs. Politics and the media have always involved lies in order to mobilize the masses. Go to Palestine yourself, then you will see that Chomsky is telling the truth. Unless you enjoy living in the comfortable dreamworld that the United States government and media create.

[westphalianprinz]

Baboola isn't naive. He's a an uber-nationalist propagandist. of some sort, who believes that land belongs to the Jews at the expense of any kind of human decency.

Chomsky is exactly right about all of this. I consider him to be a foremost humanitarian and expert on the Israel-Palestine issue.

[relarerfhjk]

baboola Clinton and Barack were both war criminals so they might be why they would lie.Clinton illegaly bombed Sudan,supported Indonesian massacres in East Timor,& Turkish atrocities against the Kurds,as well as supporting Israel's crimes during the Intifada,& at Qana in 1996.Barack and Clinton did not offer the Palestinians peace, they rejected peace at Taba.

[relarerfhjk]

baboola the 2001 Taba conference is not a lie. Israel ADMITTED it offered the palestinians a better deal than at Camp David.Their negotiator told the European Press "we have never been closer to an agreement".A week later, Israel cancelled the talks because of Barack was facing an election against Ariel Sharon,who opposed giving land to the Palestinians.Israel never re-started the Taba talks. All this is fact, check it out on Google, or on the official records.