the foundry has the epa monitoring us all the time, the smell and pollution is not solely bradken. look at mckechnie foundry, look at korvest. we dont see them on the news. why? bradken creates jobs for many in the northern suburbs a place where employment is sorely needed.the company is continually improving the site to make sure it is cleaner as well as more productive.that is good for everybody.
if bradken shuts down it will move to china . i need my job.
@AntaresInScorpius we aint goin nowhere. were doing what we can to help kilburn, the environment , the employees( like myself ) , the state , the country , and the economy.
bradken adelaide will still be on cromwell rd kilburn in 10 years time,it will be cleaner, quieter and more productive than ever before.
i bet some people who complain about it now will have family or friends earning a good living there.
LOL, well you gotta have a sense of humor(even dark humor) about things cput. Yes, i think Bradken Resources turned tail and ran. He closed down his account and took down all his vids. I started to take this vid down, but it still gets quite a few hits for whatever reason, so i left it up. I have done an internet search from time to time on the issue but i havent seen any final resolution for it. I will update the vid in the sidebar, as news becomes available.
I think Mr America & his weird pussy cat friend Leon should spend all their energy supporting the Green Bay Packers & maybe buying a new wheelchair for their QB Fahvre. Is it still Brett Fahvre or his son now anyway? Oh & Mr America, the only good thing about your new video post is the CCR soundtrack backing, the actual content is typical Bradken crap.
i have never disputed they are a major MNC. It is just why should they pay for something that is not their fault??? the area grew up around them. It was not nearly as developed when they moved there. and you know it.
if you have to worry aobut our coner of the world then read where the SA governement's entities in its report states IT wants Bradken removed in particular the entity that OWNS the majority of houses within meters of Bradken.
so you are saying the govt owns most of the housing around bradken?? That makes moving the residents all the simpler. Fewer private intererest to deal with.
i dont have to come up with names. it is mere common sense and experience. Kilburn is prime real estate accept for one fact--it has a "dirty" foundry in its midst. So, "cui bono??" you ask?? the real estate interests who will redevelop the area. i am sure their mouths are salivating at the thought of the foundry being moved.
i dont know exactly who asasinated benizir bhutto, but i have a pretty good idea. And yes after the foundry would be shut down, property values would skyrocket, the property of the foundry would be redeveloped. So i might not be able to "name names" but common sense tells us who would benefit.
yeah like leon and i can go to australia to see about this matter. I have made my case and it is a solid one, based on common sense. We are just talking in circles. I came to the same conclusions as bradken before i read the report.
yes i am most fortunate in that. I sympathize with the disabled who cannot work. But that begs the question. Why should the foundry not legitimately be allowed to expand??
thank you leon. I am trying to convince them the foundry needs to stay and expand for the jobs, and it will be better for all. More jobs, less pollution. You cant beat it.
there you go you can live with pollution, maybe your pollution is different as it is on the other side of the world and heck lets not be concerned about the future of the children
oh kilburn resident, i care about children, i care about the environment, i care about the trees, etc, etc, etc. But when you exaggerate and appeal to emotionalism rather than logic, it doesn't help your cause. The school is going to be consolidated anyway, and most of the housing was built up well after the foundry was already there. We know who is really behind the "move the foundry" movement.
I find it interesting that people who view this are commenting here and many live outside Australia. Are you all viewing the opposing side to completely evaluate before commenting.
My opnion and my comments regarding this video, which demonstrates there are more than one side to an issue, but to say this is similar to living near an airport is wrong.
Also the laws are now there should be buffer zones, there is not in this case.
yes well, the situation in kilburn has its counterparts in various areas around the world. As far as buffer zones go, i think someone alluded to the fact in another post on the main video on this subject, that a buffer zone will be created by moving residents out of the area.
>>now keep in mind to house them same distance from support services and infrastructure in mind
how much will it cost>>
huh?? why do they have to have the exact same distance from support services and ifrastructure?? they may just have to make due with some inconvenience. It sounds like precious few of the people next to the foundry work. They may lose some access to service, but gain better access to other services somewhere else.
comeon kilburnresident. Common sense will tell you that moving 80 or 90 households is a lot cheaper than moving a foundry and all the costs/losses, inconvenience for the workers, etc involved.
i understand that the NEIGHBORHOOD was certainly there before the foundry. But the people(yes even the ones that have been featured on this website by bradkenResources)WERE NOT here before the foundry and certainly knew they were moving into the vicinity of the foundry. They do not have much sympathy. BTW i can smell my foundry from here tonite, so yes i thought of bradken foundry lol.
A long way away from Australia, mybe you should view the other videos here and get an idea of why people are opposing this site. The post an opinion, as some facts in this video are incorrect.
wow that sounds pretty good nica, i like the venison hot sticks myself. I think i would convert the entire deer to hot sticks, much to the chagrin of some of my buddies.
I find it interesting to watch this-see a neutral point of view-neutral cause it speaks truths, not subjective and yet there are those ready to skin you alive here.
Just stepping in (the middle of this debate)to say nice vid here AntaresInScorpius. I've spent many many hours in steel and aluminum foundries over the years (working as a subcontractor), and all but one in this area have now closed for environmental or economic reasons. It's a shame. A lot of good folks lost good jobs.
thanks cputb. This is my first attempt at making a vid using windows movie maker 2.1 . Yes, my concern exactly, is the jobs. Good manufacturing jobs are hard to come by. I think there needs to be give and take on both sides of the issue.
Jobs are important yes, and so is the economy. And while multinational companies like Bradken continue to make millions it is good that they employ a few locals to help them along the way. Lets see it in perspective - Bradken benefits most, workers benefit a little, residents in Kilburn suffer at the expense of all of this.
the expansion itself would make it cleaner "The State Government says the conditional approval for the expansion will mean reduced noise and increased air quality compared with the existing operation"from the australian press report cited in the side bar. Plus REDUCE NOISE....PLUS Give hundreds of well paying jobs to the area. A WIN WIN situation for all involved.
Hahaha, you two are great! There's nothing wrong with a little lively debate, and I'd be proud to have either one of you on my side of any issue. If you two ever team up against World Hunger, or Global Warming, or the Middle East Conflict, well... lookout world!
Well, I looked it up, and I'm 8278 miles (13321 kilometers) from Bradken so I can't really have much of an impact on your neighborhood. Besides, Global warming must be taking a few days off over here, because boy, it's been cold today. Merry Christmas kilburnresident! By the way, Farnham or Shorrock?
sorry cputb1 i accidently removed one of your comments. anyway i am about the same distance as you probably. I just got involved because of the foundry aspect. Some of the issues i could sympathize/empathize on either side.
Hey, no problem. I understand. Didn't want to get involved in this, just said what I said, and liked your vid. But I doubt if you two will ever agree. I mean right off the bat, you both think the other drives on the wrong side of the street, hahaha. See ya' later.
so you are telling me that in the US, we have much more stringent pollution laws than australia?? that is hard for me to believe, since most western nations have pretty similar standards as far as such things go. I mean my foundry stinks pretty bad too, if you arent used to it.
Methinks kilburnresident you doth protest too much. I can play with my comets and proffer my opinion on various subjects as well. i dont support a polluting company. I am just offering ideas on how to fix the situation.
You offer no ideas of fixing the situation you just want the people of Adelaide to suffer. If they want to grow the foundry 2.5 larger they should relocate. They have a place for them to move.
kilburnresident, i have LOTS of sympathy, for your plight. I just dont feel your plight is the fault of the foundry. Hopefully, the situation can be resolved for the best. regards.
This is a politically motivated issue, and one needs to understand local issues to see the true issues underlying the governement deciding Bradken can continue polluting.
if you read the EPA reports you will see why we protest.
People that live near an airport that wants to make air traffic 2.5 times greater then it has been have a right to voice concerns. People that live near a foundry that wants to increase their output by 2.5 times have the same right to voice concerns. So your analogy sucks!
i'm just a lowly foundry worker. I am NOT a mouthpiece for the bradken foundry, but advocate common sense, which seems to be lacking by the opponents of the expansion.
Please dont put words in my mouth. I never said there would be NO emission, NO carcinogenics coming from bradken. Thats an impossiblity from a foundry. But they have made amazing progress at CONTROLLING THE AMOUNT OF THE AFORE mentioned substances, and will continue to improve in the future. OF that i am certain.
I have repeatedly said i do not work at bradken foundry in adelaide SA. This is at least the fourth time. I work at a foundry. BUT NOT BRADKEN FOUNDRY IN ADLEAIDE SA.
Since you've never been to Adlaide you have no idea of the situation here. Hell you don't even know how to spell it correctly. We don't been any bloody Yanks sticking their 2 cents in. The last I checked your 2 cents wasn't worth a whole hell of a lot these days.
I have never been to china, but i have an opionion on some things that go on there. So it is with adelaide. And typos and mispellings are two different things.
Ive never been to america but the whole world knows about the torture going on in Guantanamo Bay and you have no idea how this has been affecting america's standing around the world.
>>Ive never been to america but the whole world knows about the torture going on in Guantanamo Bay>> Torture is a relative term. compared to what the taliban have done to women and minorities, what went on at guatanamo bay and abu gharaib is a joke.
hey hows it going buddy. the video here is spot on the dollar and your 100 percent right. im starting my new job at bradken runcorn this coming monday. runcorn site has over 450 employees. great video and your always going to get whining pains in the arse people. the foundrys are good for jobs. for as long as humans exsist, nothing will ever be good enough. what is the story now has the foundry been aloud to stay?
thanks mate. Good luck in your new job. I hated the foundry at first but it grows on you, and i cant imagine doing anything else now. SOunds like you will be in maintanance which is the way to go. Try to get some robotics skills too. If i was a younger man that is what i would go after. I havent heard anything new concerning the Bradken facility in kilburn, but i think the local govt would be nutz to move it.
yeh mate, i finished up last week with my old company im a second year apprentice now, need to get out and learn some great skills and i live a 2 min pushbike ride from the foundry at runcorn and it is an extreamly dense residential area. yeh joining the maintenance crew. should learn HEAPS.
mate if you can get a photo of where bradken runcorn is, you would shit your pants because its located next to a school, next to sporting grounds next to a train station next to about 2000 houses in a sqaure kilometer about. yeh its great i will now have jumped $5p/h in pay i live 2 mins away from the runcorn plant on a pushbike. its so handy for me. you should buy some shares in bradken, they will be expanding.
well mate at the end of the day the products have to be made some ware. next to residents or not thats the way it is, mind you the millions of tonnes of carbon thats burnt out the arse of your car isnt harming anything either? half the people of kilburn probably smoke and have been for years but yet blame the foundry for all of their lung problems. yeh the foundry stinks but thats the way it is. im going to the gym ill reply later when i get back. cheers.
no you're wrong. if you move next to an airport and the traffic increases 2.5 times, that is tough because, traffic usually does increase over time, it doesnt remain static. Next.
When something like an airport or a foundry grows by 2.5 times the impact it has on the area grows too. The people it impacts have a right to voice opposition. Poisoning the local population is inexcusable. There is a better option; relocate the foundry if you plan to grow it by 2.5 times!
I dont advocate "poisoning" the local population. Now you are engaging in hysterics. As foundrys modernize, they tend to produce less and less pollution, even when they expand production. Bet you didnt know that.
no it means that in this part of the world the time is 21.37 and i have to get some sleep even if you dont. I just give up for now, so i will be back for round three tomorrow.
If you are MOVED near an airport by the government because you can't afford housing and you need to be close to the city and public transport, then technically it is the govt's fault not ours if you're looking to attribute blame.
It would cost the govt millions of dollars to buy land and develop residential dwellings and then relocate everyone from Kilburn - especially near the city.
kilburnguy, i dont think the entire town of kilburn would need to be moved, just housing on a couple of streets, around the expansion area. if the govt moved you there, my sympathy, but when you are on public assistance, you arent going to get your choice of where you are going to live. I am not on govt assistance, and i dont even always have a choice of where to live, due to financial conatraints.
You are thousands of miles away. You are making statements and opinions out of ignorance on the other side of the world. So it is easy not to care if the elderly and disabled people that live near the foundry on pensions are exposed to greater levels of pollution. We have your sympathy but you still think we should have to inhale the crap the foundry spews out.
Why doesn't the foundry offer to move these people if it wants to expand? Well that might effect your 401k Antaresin and you wouldn't want that to happen would you?
of course the government can get billions of dollars form Bradken to pay for ushc a move to an area the same distance from the CBD, and support services. Of course how reduntant of me to not consider that ideal solutiom.
lol i read my reply, let me rephrase that. I think moving people WHO LIVE right next to the expansion area to another place would not be such a bad idea.
bradken is the best business in kilburn .
unless youre into drugs , prostitution and petty crime
RBTCLD 11 months ago
if any body would like to converse with me about this matter feel free.
i am open to discussion. please no insuts or slander, im just a husband and father trying to provide for my family the best way i know how.
RBTCLD 1 year ago
i work at bradken in kilburn.
the foundry has the epa monitoring us all the time, the smell and pollution is not solely bradken. look at mckechnie foundry, look at korvest. we dont see them on the news. why? bradken creates jobs for many in the northern suburbs a place where employment is sorely needed.the company is continually improving the site to make sure it is cleaner as well as more productive.that is good for everybody.
if bradken shuts down it will move to china . i need my job.
RBTCLD 1 year ago 4
@RBTCLD i hear you brother. they shut down a foundry in california recently over similar issues. so take nothing for granted.
AntaresInScorpius 1 year ago 4
@AntaresInScorpius we aint goin nowhere. were doing what we can to help kilburn, the environment , the employees( like myself ) , the state , the country , and the economy.
bradken adelaide will still be on cromwell rd kilburn in 10 years time,it will be cleaner, quieter and more productive than ever before.
i bet some people who complain about it now will have family or friends earning a good living there.
RBTCLD 1 year ago
Just dropping by to see if you guys were still going at it. Looks like everyone ran out of breath. Probably owing to the foundry smoke huh?
Ahh, I really shouldn't make light of it. I'm sure it's a very important issue to the people of the community over there.
I wonder how it turned out? Or if the battle continues still?
cputb1 3 years ago
LOL, well you gotta have a sense of humor(even dark humor) about things cput. Yes, i think Bradken Resources turned tail and ran. He closed down his account and took down all his vids. I started to take this vid down, but it still gets quite a few hits for whatever reason, so i left it up. I have done an internet search from time to time on the issue but i havent seen any final resolution for it. I will update the vid in the sidebar, as news becomes available.
AntaresInScorpius 3 years ago
I think Mr America & his weird pussy cat friend Leon should spend all their energy supporting the Green Bay Packers & maybe buying a new wheelchair for their QB Fahvre. Is it still Brett Fahvre or his son now anyway? Oh & Mr America, the only good thing about your new video post is the CCR soundtrack backing, the actual content is typical Bradken crap.
bradkenneighbour 4 years ago
funny bradken and i came to the same conclusion independetnly. Until now i had read nothing from bradken. And the packers are gonna win.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
laughing so hard
you are so full of it Mr USA
you say you have not read it all and of course you have read nothing from Bradken go to their website - see how rich they are
it is listed
kilburnresident 4 years ago
i have never disputed they are a major MNC. It is just why should they pay for something that is not their fault??? the area grew up around them. It was not nearly as developed when they moved there. and you know it.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
please just go and look after your conrer of the world
kilburnresident 4 years ago
no obviously i have to worry about your corner of the world too. sigh.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
if you have to worry aobut our coner of the world then read where the SA governement's entities in its report states IT wants Bradken removed in particular the entity that OWNS the majority of houses within meters of Bradken.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
so you are saying the govt owns most of the housing around bradken?? That makes moving the residents all the simpler. Fewer private intererest to deal with.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
please respond to the previous allegation you made ie " We know who is really behind the "move the foundry" movement."
and it will MOT be cheaper to relocate residents
go and get facts right and respond to your allegation
you make it ... support it
kilburnresident 4 years ago
facr 281 houses
fact another 200 plus houses privately owned
costs at $400 tho per house PLUS compensation
learn about the Aus laws of relocating, and compensation first... then come up with YOURfigures
and please answer MR USA your allegation of knowing who is behind Bradken moving!!! support your statement with names -
kilburnresident 4 years ago
i dont have to come up with names. it is mere common sense and experience. Kilburn is prime real estate accept for one fact--it has a "dirty" foundry in its midst. So, "cui bono??" you ask?? the real estate interests who will redevelop the area. i am sure their mouths are salivating at the thought of the foundry being moved.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
name names - you said you knew - NAME THEM
and you know all of your information
NO real estate would ever consider development near a foundry geesh dork
until you support your inane statements with facts, figures, then post away as I am tirig of your "know it all attitude"
kilburnresident 4 years ago
i dont know exactly who asasinated benizir bhutto, but i have a pretty good idea. And yes after the foundry would be shut down, property values would skyrocket, the property of the foundry would be redeveloped. So i might not be able to "name names" but common sense tells us who would benefit.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
LOL so you think that the "real estate moguls" are behind it and not the residents DORK
YOu need to KNOW the LOCAL I repeat LOCAL situation
and now still you have not named names... name them >>>>
Bradken relocating WE of the LOCALS know who would benefit >>>>
still name names and stop speculating....
put up your figures, you alluded to in previous posts
PROVE AND SUPPORT THOSE ALLUSIONS
kilburnresident 4 years ago
go and read you other posts and support your comments with facts
ohh sorry you cannot do that
as you are form the USA (yeah sure)
kilburnresident 4 years ago
BrakenNeighbour
seems these two need a lesson in map & reports reading, as well as learn local issues
I invite both to attend a public meeting of concerned residents and see how fast their views are accepted
I do not think they would like us meddling in their local issues,
kilburnresident 4 years ago
yeah like leon and i can go to australia to see about this matter. I have made my case and it is a solid one, based on common sense. We are just talking in circles. I came to the same conclusions as bradken before i read the report.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
go and look after YOUR corner of the world
YOU have NO idea of what we suffer!!
you work for a foundry... lucky you many here are disabled and cannot work!!! ever thought of those people?
you have failed to make your case, you fail to even support figures, statements you make
kilburnresident 4 years ago
yes i am most fortunate in that. I sympathize with the disabled who cannot work. But that begs the question. Why should the foundry not legitimately be allowed to expand??
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Nice one,I agree;)
LeonShnider 4 years ago
thank you leon. I am trying to convince them the foundry needs to stay and expand for the jobs, and it will be better for all. More jobs, less pollution. You cant beat it.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
you can try and convince us
YOU D0O NOT LIVE HERE!!!
Prove that over 800 peoples health is far better to suffer than the jobs of a few!!
there WILL still be pollution from the foundry after expansion
read the PER' reports
come back when you can prove Benzene and cyanide, and 20 plus other chemicals are safe to ingest
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Better YET read the EPA reports
then try and convice residents it is safe to live under the pollution.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
you saod only 40 ... and $120 mil
please support it
i have supported my statements
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Dont count the school. It was probably going to be consolidated with another school anyway.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
students also include Adult students participating in tertiary eduction
ie like University degrees,Trade Certificates
I will count the school, while it has benzene & other crap flowing beneath it and thus continues into other areas and houses!!!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
the school is old and decrepit, it can be moved to a nice new building.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
HOW do you know that?
mkae a supporting statement
how would you like it if I said that about YOUR house, YOUR school?
kilburnresident 4 years ago
well if it were true, i wouldnt mind it.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
there you go you can live with pollution, maybe your pollution is different as it is on the other side of the world and heck lets not be concerned about the future of the children
got a shcool 200 meters away? bet not
see how dumb you are making yourself look
kilburnresident 4 years ago
oh kilburn resident, i care about children, i care about the environment, i care about the trees, etc, etc, etc. But when you exaggerate and appeal to emotionalism rather than logic, it doesn't help your cause. The school is going to be consolidated anyway, and most of the housing was built up well after the foundry was already there. We know who is really behind the "move the foundry" movement.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
PROVE the school is going to be consolitated, in fact it is mooted for open planning, NO DATE SET - may not happen
houses were there before foundry - read the date line
PROVE who is behind move the foundry? reply to that one with factual evidence!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
I find it interesting that people who view this are commenting here and many live outside Australia. Are you all viewing the opposing side to completely evaluate before commenting.
My opnion and my comments regarding this video, which demonstrates there are more than one side to an issue, but to say this is similar to living near an airport is wrong.
Also the laws are now there should be buffer zones, there is not in this case.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
yes well, the situation in kilburn has its counterparts in various areas around the world. As far as buffer zones go, i think someone alluded to the fact in another post on the main video on this subject, that a buffer zone will be created by moving residents out of the area.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Move the residents is your catch cry.
Move them where?
Cost to move some 400 homes or more?
Cost to relocate and build a new school?
Cost to relocate Communty Food Store?
Plus additional compensation cost?
Costs of Infrustures to support those moved?
Compare those to relocating a foundry to an appropriate site
kilburnresident 4 years ago
>>Cost to move some 400 homes or more>>
Please kilburn resident, stop exagerating, it doesnt help you cause any. There are at the MOST 40 homes that would nee to be moved. I can read a map.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
seriosly you do need to learn to read more than your map as obviously your map reading is wrong
read reports 328 houses within 300 meter buffer zone
add to that there are more affected houses as per ther report of the governement within 700 meters!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
you was asked to prove your monetary considerations re reloacting residents
now keep in mind to house them same distance from support services and infrastructure in mind
how much will it cost?
kilburnresident 4 years ago
>>now keep in mind to house them same distance from support services and infrastructure in mind
how much will it cost>>
huh?? why do they have to have the exact same distance from support services and ifrastructure?? they may just have to make due with some inconvenience. It sounds like precious few of the people next to the foundry work. They may lose some access to service, but gain better access to other services somewhere else.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
tell you pathetic progoganda to the disabed, the students, yes some are not working they are getting an education.
try living on a students allowance
better yet please send some of your hard earned money to a support the residents, who do pay taxes.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
you have not come back with your costings, that are close to the mark, nor who will pay
people would be inerested in your view on costs
kilburnresident 4 years ago
comeon kilburnresident. Common sense will tell you that moving 80 or 90 households is a lot cheaper than moving a foundry and all the costs/losses, inconvenience for the workers, etc involved.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
lets try the correct figure
328 HOUSES 328 HOUSES
plus a school
plus a community buisness
try reading facts
kilburnresident 4 years ago
try 328 houses!
read the facts
kilburnresident 4 years ago
okey you give ME the cost estimate. How much will moving 328 houses costs????
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
YOU GAVE FIGURES
SUPPORT THEM
kilburnresident 4 years ago
I think you also need to uderstand that this is our local area and cannot be compared with other areas of the world.
you are entitled to your opinion, as are all, but please try and understand that the people were in place before the foundry.
I hope you enjoyed your vacation.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
yes thank you.
i understand that the NEIGHBORHOOD was certainly there before the foundry. But the people(yes even the ones that have been featured on this website by bradkenResources)WERE NOT here before the foundry and certainly knew they were moving into the vicinity of the foundry. They do not have much sympathy. BTW i can smell my foundry from here tonite, so yes i thought of bradken foundry lol.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
how do you know that some residents were not there from the beginni?
I WAS NOT INFORMED I WAS BEING PLACED NEAR A POLLUTING FOUNDRY!!!!!!
Get you facts right before spouting of thanks
kilburnresident 4 years ago
you cann be as unsympathetc as you like'but tell that to the future children who will grow up with polluted playgrounds, backyards
dust in the air, their homes etc....
carrying carcegenics
kilburnresident 4 years ago
add the retirees, the people in the nearby nursing home
come on start looking at the bigger picture
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Hmmm...a necessary evil I suppose.
Brazdolph 4 years ago
yes it is. (:
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Ok I gave you 5 stasrs-see your points-and they are good points.
nicanicabad 4 years ago
Obviously you do not live near Bradken then
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Denamrk
nicanicabad 4 years ago
A long way away from Australia, mybe you should view the other videos here and get an idea of why people are opposing this site. The post an opinion, as some facts in this video are incorrect.
thanks for your input.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
oops, champagne, *dinner--*melting-ought to say smelting perhaps.
nicanicabad 4 years ago
I once ate xmas cinner in a foundry-flash cooked venison over meliting aluminium-and then made sculpture.
nicanicabad 4 years ago
wow that sounds pretty good nica, i like the venison hot sticks myself. I think i would convert the entire deer to hot sticks, much to the chagrin of some of my buddies.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
I find it interesting to watch this-see a neutral point of view-neutral cause it speaks truths, not subjective and yet there are those ready to skin you alive here.
nicanicabad 4 years ago
Neutral I think not
the owner admits he works for a foundry
he has no idea of the local issues that are under objection
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Antares - Is that a picture of Adelaide airport in your video?
BradkenResources 4 years ago
hi, yes it is, hope you had a merry christmas.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Just stepping in (the middle of this debate)to say nice vid here AntaresInScorpius. I've spent many many hours in steel and aluminum foundries over the years (working as a subcontractor), and all but one in this area have now closed for environmental or economic reasons. It's a shame. A lot of good folks lost good jobs.
cputb1 4 years ago
thanks cputb. This is my first attempt at making a vid using windows movie maker 2.1 . Yes, my concern exactly, is the jobs. Good manufacturing jobs are hard to come by. I think there needs to be give and take on both sides of the issue.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Jobs are important yes, and so is the economy. And while multinational companies like Bradken continue to make millions it is good that they employ a few locals to help them along the way. Lets see it in perspective - Bradken benefits most, workers benefit a little, residents in Kilburn suffer at the expense of all of this.
kilburnguy 4 years ago
Bradken offer workers shares
that could be why workers aare silent.
Moving the site is far better and less expensive than moving and compensating residents.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
WE do mot want Bradken to close - just move to the proper place - all set up for them
A new Bradken site was built in China in 160 days!
A new site to move into in SA may take 300 days, but it would be cleaner!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
the expansion itself would make it cleaner "The State Government says the conditional approval for the expansion will mean reduced noise and increased air quality compared with the existing operation"from the australian press report cited in the side bar. Plus REDUCE NOISE....PLUS Give hundreds of well paying jobs to the area. A WIN WIN situation for all involved.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
that is propoganda!
IT will TAKE 3 YEARS and still emissions
More jobs OK only 80 thus taking work force to approx 180! that is not hundreds!
The existing crap will remain in properties, in the groundwater!
WIN WIN you are kidding!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Hahaha, you two are great! There's nothing wrong with a little lively debate, and I'd be proud to have either one of you on my side of any issue. If you two ever team up against World Hunger, or Global Warming, or the Middle East Conflict, well... lookout world!
cputb1 4 years ago
Yhank you for the compliment.
Maybe you can approach Bradken for your purposes of Glabal Warmin, as they are contributing to Green House Gas Emissions.
That would be a start.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Well, I looked it up, and I'm 8278 miles (13321 kilometers) from Bradken so I can't really have much of an impact on your neighborhood. Besides, Global warming must be taking a few days off over here, because boy, it's been cold today. Merry Christmas kilburnresident! By the way, Farnham or Shorrock?
cputb1 4 years ago
If you are so interested then contact Bradken.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
sorry cputb1 i accidently removed one of your comments. anyway i am about the same distance as you probably. I just got involved because of the foundry aspect. Some of the issues i could sympathize/empathize on either side.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Hey, no problem. I understand. Didn't want to get involved in this, just said what I said, and liked your vid. But I doubt if you two will ever agree. I mean right off the bat, you both think the other drives on the wrong side of the street, hahaha. See ya' later.
cputb1 4 years ago
AntaresInScorpius we do not knock the way you live do not mock us from afar!
thanks
kilburnresident 4 years ago
i havent mocked anyone, and if you misperceived it that way, my apologies.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
It would be good to get Bradken to sit at a round table discussion on these issues.
I know that the Kilburn residents are as frustrated as I am, but they'd be willing to participate in discussions to try to resolve all of this.
Bradken, State Govt., Federal Govt, the EPA, Council, etc... all need to participate in some community consultation.
Give us some hope that things might change.
kilburnguy 4 years ago
Rann & Co and Bradken will say they had consultation. The Feds are the only hope.
A meeting and facts placed under noses may work.
Residents are sick, and not only in Kilburn BUT surounding suburbs from Bradkens fallout.
Bradken are not poor, and are asset rich.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
How many times to I have to inform you that things in South Australia are and can be far different than the USA?
I invite you to come and live right next to this foundry.
The company pollutes so many places in Australia!!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
so you are telling me that in the US, we have much more stringent pollution laws than australia?? that is hard for me to believe, since most western nations have pretty similar standards as far as such things go. I mean my foundry stinks pretty bad too, if you arent used to it.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
When the government supports a polluting comapny we should not protest?
you can live with yours we do not have to live with ours!
How simple is that to you
just go and play with your comets.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Methinks kilburnresident you doth protest too much. I can play with my comets and proffer my opinion on various subjects as well. i dont support a polluting company. I am just offering ideas on how to fix the situation.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
I can protest as much and as often as it pleases me.
You have and are supporting Bradken without the facts.
Get your facts right first.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
You offer no ideas of fixing the situation you just want the people of Adelaide to suffer. If they want to grow the foundry 2.5 larger they should relocate. They have a place for them to move.
Mattsky44 4 years ago
i dont want the people of adelaide to suffer. Stop being a drama queen.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
then if that is so why say you have no symphaty fore us on one hand and slap us down with the next?
My situation is I have NO choice with housing, at least we in Australia do get some support.
Do not cast stones to glass houses.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
kilburnresident, i have LOTS of sympathy, for your plight. I just dont feel your plight is the fault of the foundry. Hopefully, the situation can be resolved for the best. regards.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
you can believe what you like
we live here you do not
This is a politically motivated issue, and one needs to understand local issues to see the true issues underlying the governement deciding Bradken can continue polluting.
if you read the EPA reports you will see why we protest.
enjoy
kilburnresident 4 years ago
I actually agree with you.
I wish we could get beyond this need to attribute fault to one party or another...
The foundry is in the wrong area
Residents are in the wrong area
Whoever is at fault for that is probably long dead by now - it happened years ago. But it needs to stop now!
kilburnguy 4 years ago
People that live near an airport that wants to make air traffic 2.5 times greater then it has been have a right to voice concerns. People that live near a foundry that wants to increase their output by 2.5 times have the same right to voice concerns. So your analogy sucks!
Mattsky44 4 years ago
It would seem you have a horse in this race.
How about some honest disclosure from you AntaresInScorpius. What is your connection to the Bradken Foundry?
Take your Bradken propaganda and stick where the sun don't shine.
Mattsky44 4 years ago
i'm just a lowly foundry worker. I am NOT a mouthpiece for the bradken foundry, but advocate common sense, which seems to be lacking by the opponents of the expansion.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Residents are also advocating for common sense!
so there will be NO emission, NO carceogenics coming from Bradeken?
you still need to read all the reports!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Please dont put words in my mouth. I never said there would be NO emission, NO carcinogenics coming from bradken. Thats an impossiblity from a foundry. But they have made amazing progress at CONTROLLING THE AMOUNT OF THE AFORE mentioned substances, and will continue to improve in the future. OF that i am certain.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Prove it!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
then maybe ask Bradken why they are spewing the crap all over a wide area?
added to the benzene they are putting into the groundwater under a school?
try saying that will be fixed and cleaned up and at what cost. Benzene is a carceiogenic!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
>>Residents are also advocating for common sense>>
Yes the what percentage of the residents oppose the expansion??? i havent seen any figures.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Figures you need figures?
let try over 2000 people plus
look after your own backyard and keep your nose out of ours.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
I am finished with your holier than thou attitude.
You are entittled to an opinion, but before you make one on Bradken (a known and published polluter) do some research.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
ALL foundries are "known and publised polluter(s)" You state the obvious. I am just a lowly foundry worker, without arrogance. Best wishes.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
I suggest you research other areas in Australia that state where Bradken had polluted, areas where the public go for recrecation purposes.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
of course there are emissions but obviously they are at acceptable levels or else the govt would have shut them down.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
read the EPA reports
talk to the EPA as I do and you will get a different story about acceptable levels and non acceptable levels
bradken is only able to continue because it is able to by the government who do not care about the people
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Are you trying to tell me you work at the Bradken foundry in Adelaide SA?
Mattsky44 4 years ago
I have repeatedly said i do not work at bradken foundry in adelaide SA. This is at least the fourth time. I work at a foundry. BUT NOT BRADKEN FOUNDRY IN ADLEAIDE SA.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Since you've never been to Adlaide you have no idea of the situation here. Hell you don't even know how to spell it correctly. We don't been any bloody Yanks sticking their 2 cents in. The last I checked your 2 cents wasn't worth a whole hell of a lot these days.
Mattsky44 4 years ago
I have never been to china, but i have an opionion on some things that go on there. So it is with adelaide. And typos and mispellings are two different things.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
To me it seems you have an opinion on most issues you know nothing about.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
Ive never been to america but the whole world knows about the torture going on in Guantanamo Bay and you have no idea how this has been affecting america's standing around the world.
kilburnguy 4 years ago
>>Ive never been to america but the whole world knows about the torture going on in Guantanamo Bay>> Torture is a relative term. compared to what the taliban have done to women and minorities, what went on at guatanamo bay and abu gharaib is a joke.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Guantanamo Bay and abu gharaib was not a joke. And none of us are amused.
kilburnguy 4 years ago
It was no joke ask some of the detainees released.
A USA government shame
kilburnresident 4 years ago
it wasnt that big a deal. Taliban did a lot worse.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
hey hows it going buddy. the video here is spot on the dollar and your 100 percent right. im starting my new job at bradken runcorn this coming monday. runcorn site has over 450 employees. great video and your always going to get whining pains in the arse people. the foundrys are good for jobs. for as long as humans exsist, nothing will ever be good enough. what is the story now has the foundry been aloud to stay?
2strokeaxe 4 years ago
thanks mate. Good luck in your new job. I hated the foundry at first but it grows on you, and i cant imagine doing anything else now. SOunds like you will be in maintanance which is the way to go. Try to get some robotics skills too. If i was a younger man that is what i would go after. I havent heard anything new concerning the Bradken facility in kilburn, but i think the local govt would be nutz to move it.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
yeah OK Mr USA you stay there in your corner of the world and we stay here
so far there IS FINAL NO I repeat NO FINAL upgrades approved YET
so the polllution continues
if you want to know then use your eyes and read
kilburnresident 4 years ago
good onya mate
stil you are not convincingme you are NOT a bradken employee
kilburnresident 4 years ago
yeh mate, i finished up last week with my old company im a second year apprentice now, need to get out and learn some great skills and i live a 2 min pushbike ride from the foundry at runcorn and it is an extreamly dense residential area. yeh joining the maintenance crew. should learn HEAPS.
2strokeaxe 4 years ago
well bully for you
glad you get work for bradken
BUT you are not working at Kilburn
be a good idea if you read up on what pollutants you will be subjected to
I hope you and your family do not suffer as those living next to bradken in Kilburn are and do
also be wary young fella the health surveys regarding bradken are damming
kilburnresident 4 years ago
mate if you can get a photo of where bradken runcorn is, you would shit your pants because its located next to a school, next to sporting grounds next to a train station next to about 2000 houses in a sqaure kilometer about. yeh its great i will now have jumped $5p/h in pay i live 2 mins away from the runcorn plant on a pushbike. its so handy for me. you should buy some shares in bradken, they will be expanding.
2strokeaxe 4 years ago 2
so EPA means jack shite to you
and the kids
and all the pollution
wonderfull
seems bradken is protected by the EPA
you take a pay rise to pollute your family well done
kilburnresident 4 years ago
well mate at the end of the day the products have to be made some ware. next to residents or not thats the way it is, mind you the millions of tonnes of carbon thats burnt out the arse of your car isnt harming anything either? half the people of kilburn probably smoke and have been for years but yet blame the foundry for all of their lung problems. yeh the foundry stinks but thats the way it is. im going to the gym ill reply later when i get back. cheers.
2strokeaxe 4 years ago
yeah OK what ever you say
you know this area well NOT
kilburnresident 4 years ago
no you're wrong. if you move next to an airport and the traffic increases 2.5 times, that is tough because, traffic usually does increase over time, it doesnt remain static. Next.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
When something like an airport or a foundry grows by 2.5 times the impact it has on the area grows too. The people it impacts have a right to voice opposition. Poisoning the local population is inexcusable. There is a better option; relocate the foundry if you plan to grow it by 2.5 times!
Mattsky44 4 years ago
I dont advocate "poisoning" the local population. Now you are engaging in hysterics. As foundrys modernize, they tend to produce less and less pollution, even when they expand production. Bet you didnt know that.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
please read the reports Bradken will not reduce for at least 3 years!
I am not hysterical, just factual, which is more than you can be about Bradken.
Bet you I know more than you!
kilburnresident 4 years ago
>>>sigh>>>........i give up lol
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
what agian?
second tiem you give up.
seems you cannot take the heat in the kitchen you started.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
no it means that in this part of the world the time is 21.37 and i have to get some sleep even if you dont. I just give up for now, so i will be back for round three tomorrow.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
well obviously your knowledge didnt do much in changing peoples minds, since the govt is allowing bradken to procede with the expansion.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Think about a government that acts like a dictarorship is one reason we are protesting.
It is not the residents whose minds need altering!
thank you for your comment.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
If you are MOVED near an airport by the government because you can't afford housing and you need to be close to the city and public transport, then technically it is the govt's fault not ours if you're looking to attribute blame.
It would cost the govt millions of dollars to buy land and develop residential dwellings and then relocate everyone from Kilburn - especially near the city.
kilburnguy 4 years ago
kilburnguy, i dont think the entire town of kilburn would need to be moved, just housing on a couple of streets, around the expansion area. if the govt moved you there, my sympathy, but when you are on public assistance, you arent going to get your choice of where you are going to live. I am not on govt assistance, and i dont even always have a choice of where to live, due to financial conatraints.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
You are thousands of miles away. You are making statements and opinions out of ignorance on the other side of the world. So it is easy not to care if the elderly and disabled people that live near the foundry on pensions are exposed to greater levels of pollution. We have your sympathy but you still think we should have to inhale the crap the foundry spews out.
Mattsky44 4 years ago
Why doesn't the foundry offer to move these people if it wants to expand? Well that might effect your 401k Antaresin and you wouldn't want that to happen would you?
Mattsky44 4 years ago
i think moving the people right next to the expansion area would not be such a bad idea.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
of course the government can get billions of dollars form Bradken to pay for ushc a move to an area the same distance from the CBD, and support services. Of course how reduntant of me to not consider that ideal solutiom.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
lol i read my reply, let me rephrase that. I think moving people WHO LIVE right next to the expansion area to another place would not be such a bad idea.
AntaresInScorpius 4 years ago
Did you look at the map?
Kilburn is 7km < than 4 miles from the CBD and not a town. New laws are ALL industry must have a buffer zone from homes, Bradken does not have that!
Kilburn is NOT the only suburb that suffers from this foundry.
kilburnresident 4 years ago
HOW many times do we have to say this
Some people have NO I repeat NO choice in where they are placed/housed in the area surrounding Bradken. I refer to refugees, disabled persons etc:
please learn about the local area and condidtions first
Schools and homes where here before the foundry !!!
read up on the EPA reports!
kilburnresident 4 years ago