Chessworld.net presents: Rybka vs Houdini recent match, Game 1 - Sicillian Defence with 2. c3

[macnolds]

tryfon, tryfon. calm down. there's nothing "romantic" about this at all. the spectacular sacrifices and unselfish positional play of houdini is justified by deep, precise calculation. it's all about the ply my man. as andrew soltis once corrected, "chess is 99% calculation." now, with that being said, i believe any top gm could have found those clever rook maneuvers near the end of the game. it's really the second pawn sacrifice that stands out.

[Mattslayerable]

wow houdini's idea of sacrificing pawns to maximise piece activity and completely bind up rybka is proven effective! maybe a new side of chess? the game is infinitely complicated it looks.

[RuudJH]

Untill which move was it bookmoves? I have my doubts about 2.c3 allready. Most good engine books play standard sicilians, certainly not this. Millions of GM games don't lie.

[Badbentham]

Yay, Rybka and especially Houdini ARE a great (r)evolution in chess engines. I could follow the game until before ...Na4, where black seems to have great positional compensation, but it tends to be pretty hard for us humans to improve the position (that`s why most of us refrain to play such positions... we blunder away our awesome position, and in the end the material counts... ;) ) , but Houdini came up with the amazing sequence ...Na4! , ...a5!!!, and finally the logical ...b5! (lever b5-b4)

[JOTTABYTE]

High level chess is so strange.

[unbekannt405]

Great Game . I like Houdini . Thank you =)

[Adm1n1sTra1t0r]

Now computers are starting to play like Tal :)

[peanut2302]

@sharpnova2 I know precisely which kind of idiot you're, do you? It is also apparent that you believe, you are not human, and do not make simple mistakes. It's one of the only explanations for such ridiculous overreactions.

[Pohjanpoika13]

@sharpnova2 Well there is a reason to put recent in a title. If the game was played recently when you posted it, its a recent game. If you are showing a hundred years old game it would not be "recent match"

[bajramovic92]

@sharpnova2

Yes, that's nice.

[sharpnova2]

@bajramovic92 Meh. It is but I wouldn't expect you to grasp it.

[leny3132]

Es absurdo este video y esta jugada de ajedrez, por que el arfil banco no podía llegar al cuadro C2 en un movimiento, si efectivamente quieren enzeñar algo nuevo, usen una mejor tenica, y no traten de confundir a los que si jugamos Ajedrez.

[MoPar7055]

Since when do computers resign? I'm confused

[kevinflo]

This guy is like the day[9] of chess.

[mikeyburger1]

Great Video. Thanks for posting it was very interesting and informative. I liked the commentry "you know, spectators, rooks blasting down potential useful rows" and the Black king getting harassed from behind and Drunken Knights and munching and gobling lol. But Fantastic game against 2 computers!!! Houdini seems special. Do you know Is the New Houdini 2 now the strongest chess engine ever? In any case I very much enjoyed the video it was very Interesting and had good themes!

[hthought]

That's not an engine. It's Kasparov below the cpu tower !

[sonofhendrix]

Wow the commentator has such good analysis of the game. can anyone become this comfortable with chess and how many years does it take?..

I'm a complete beginner.

[Ariel1Dominguez]

@sonofhendrix i depends. On how time do you want to dedicate to chess. If you have tutors or chess coachs or if you are autodidact. How much time wold you want to study and how much time would you play. And also on your natural talent. There are guys that would take 1 year to become as good as KC. there are other that will never be as good as him :P

[fzeyda]

This reminds me of a story by J.G. Ballard where poetry writing has been reduce to fine tune computer programs --- writing it from scratch would be an outrageous idea. But this is not so far fetch: once a machine can play at a level this high, it is a "comparably" easy task the make it play in a beautiful or romantic or whatever manner. Fascinating would be if we can find that perfect chess game, it must be somewhere hidden in the Library of Babel. :D

[viharsarok]

Computers are taking chess to levels unimaginable before.

[kingscrusher]

Please like this video if you got something out of it, or even better add it to your favourites. Help crush the Trolls! You could also subscribe to this channel to get notified of any new videos - subscribing is free and easy.Cheers, K.

[jameskguy]

@kingscrusher I might have misrepresented the trade offs of pawns as being material for position... would you say it was a trade between material and position, or material and initiative or material and keeping the opponents pieces as you say...spectators? I've been loosely holding the notion that those are positional factors on their own.

[darkiansmith]

Spectacular win. This gives a new twist to computer chess. Romantic chess.

[AlexEnglish77]

Now engines see the board the way people do. Broadening of robots vision is something really disturbing me

[waxythread13]

amazing game

[kingscrusher]

Please like this video if you got something out of it, or even better add it to your favourites. Cheers, K.

[TEDOVSKY]

Wow.

[allensugar]

Hey did you mention Barnet? Are you from North London too?

[seeingsights]

I think I have seen the future of chess

[mikeyburger1]

An Interesting Video. Chess is an IMMENSLY complicated game, but i think its important to realise although it sounds obvious that computers play very differently to humans. I don't think there neccesarily is such a thing as a wrong move since it very much depends on the positional factors and the game and what the plan is... I don't think chess will ever be cracked - but maybe machine and human together the ultimate chess opponent.

[JOTTABYTE]

The clash of two great powers in history of chess.

[a575981735977018]

Wow.

What if the stronger the chess engines become, the more random their games will look to us?

[sambaboy81]

Are there any thing ever dare to play a simply 1 pawn gambit against Rybka, and won with it? This Houdini easily plays sacrifice 3 pawns against Rybka, and won it. Just like he make fun with it. What a scary engine....maybe human era in this area would soon be obsolete...

[Gottagetdatpoontang]

HE says spectators one more time im gunna punch him in the face

[rockyqw12]

How do I install it in a gui?

[GCLU]

@rockyqw12

You can look up houdini chess on google. It is completely free and it is the first link most likely. Go to download and download it. Most chess programs (I recommend Arena) have an option to "Install New Engine." You then install whatever type of computer you have (such as I who use a 32x core would use the 32x Houdini version.) You now have Houdini.

[rockyqw12]

@GCLU Thanks for the help. I installed it in the Aquarium gui I used for Rybka 4 and it works fine.

[Gaussdxdydz]

I was wondering, at 13:59, how about White playing Nd3 instead of Nb4? It stops Re5 for a start, and could be followed by Nce1 to further defend the Knight on d3. Even if you do end up losing a piece on d3, at least it will have caused a few exchange of pieces to lessen the attack, and White could maybe fight on by pushing a & h pawns? What do you think?

[covladsean]

Great video & although the quality of the commentary is good the quantity of it is too much.. no offense

[WickedJargon]

no matter how in-depth you try to understand each move. you'll never understand the ingenuity that is going on here.

[kaisers7]

what a scary game, so brilliant and intuitive sacing of pieces.Will man become obsolete in the future.

[MrQmason]

@kaisers7 yep

[maxiskhan]

e6 seems to be the main reason of Rybka's problems in this game....opening d-file in Black favour. In combination with the c4 shard, it greatly slows down White queen side developpement.

Houdini and Rybka both belong to a new generation of programs, able to evaluate activity and relative value of pieces much better than before. If yu add their monstruous calculating ability, yu have two freaking +3000 Elo chess beasts.

[ddavyCn]

I find Houdini quite intuitive sometimes. Houdini seems to be good in positions with slight problems, such as doubled pawns and can often seem to convert them to an advantage, so perhaps Houdini has some new or alternative theoretical ideas built in.

[TheOneBlackSheep1973]

welcome to the world of future romantic chess .

[1Abcplayer]

So, I guess there were no blunders? :P

[djrojas]

no way. simply magnificent. 3-pawn gambit! I was already getting depressed about how engines make gambits seem unsound.

[jeffwads]

Whites mistake was not immediately pulling the king back behind his pawns. Simple as that.

[oxiigen]

Impressive game!!! Deep Blue engine that beat Kasparov is like a patzer compared to Rybka for sure. Now Houdini gambit Rybka with a three pawns and win with black! Amazing indeed!

[MCvanVeen]

I do know what to say: It is ridiculous indeed!

[MRbombonel]

@kingcrusher wow I didn't know an engine can do that :D

By the way haven't I seen u on chesscube? :D

[fresniak]

houdini is the strongest. I have never seen such an engine. it's from another planet. Rybka needs to go home

[interval999]

@fresniak

J'ai Houdini 1.5 (gratuit) Il bat Fritz11 et Rybka 2.3.2 facilement.

Ce moteur est une merveille.

[luckyjack7]

wtf are you talking about johnnyskillish, humans have been gambiting and trying creazy stuff. especially hikaru!!

[ampyun]

yeah a lot of very interesting ideas in this video! multiple gambits, each creating a greater window of opportunity. the hard part is knowing when to cash in, or when to continue exploiting. such a complex game..

[cwjalexx]

what i got out of this: "make enemy pieces look like SPECTATOrS"

[dachevashe]

I wonder if there will be (or maybe there already are) some opening lines like "Rybka gambit" or "Houdini gambit" or some other "theoretical ideas" by engines?

[SoaringEagle5344]

great video! Thanks for all your hard work kingscrusher! It's refreshing to see top engines paying homage to Tal & Morphy!

[JohnnySkillish]

I think it's kind of sad really. Theoretically, if both players could play "perfectly", using position over material AS the advantage, which has ALWAYS "been there", HUMANS COULD have done this. Theoretically. But because we CAN'T THINK 26 in depth in 3.8 million positions, WE NEED "RULES.", computers don't. In many ways, it's taken the "magic" out of the game. AND, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMING!...since the birth of the computer.

[sirgator2099]

Thank you for posting the Rybka Houdini series as well as the other videos you've dedicated your time an analysis to in sharing. I enjoy your videos very much, keep up the good work and thank you.

[waxythread13]

Today's lesson:

trade queens, sacrifice a pawn, sac two more pawns, then crush rybka 4

[mattobrien88]

I think that this game demonstrates that gambits are very effective provided they're followed up correctly which is the problem for grandmasters especially when playing against an engine. Also I think this shows the benefit of engines having no fear and just playing objectively good moves because they don't worry about oversights.

[israelwasaness]

cheeky engine!

[ampyun]

@israelwasaness hahaha love your comment

[ourtortsystem]

Houdini totally pwned rubka

Kudos to Houdini!!!!

[Zoheba]

Wow. Just wow! Amazing Houdini. Hands down!



[thespacialone]

There's a new sheriff in town

[vnorby]

Maybe what this game demonstrates is that chess players and the programmers making chess engines have been focusing too much on pawns & pawn structure, when in fact, they are quite meaningless.

[JOTTABYTE]

All these human chess tournaments are boring, nowadays I am only interested in chess engines tournaments!

[Nola213]

"romantic chess engine era". Lord Help us.

Wow. Just wow. Houdini is amazing.

[goodbishopwins]

"like studying my blitz games on icc"!! Biiig

[nightenglow]

Houdini cheats :)

[Electromusicaus]

Great escape by Houdini - exciting futuristic Chess!

[Mathview]

KC et al... A Concept from Complexity Theory may be relevant here: Namely Emergent Behavior. Roughly, as a system increases in complexity it can reach a critical stage where it begins to manifest entirely new behavior. Moreover, it can be unintentional. Just happens by itself. If Houdini is for real, is it exhibiting Emergent Behavior with it's apparently inspired creative chess? If so, Houdini may have implications beyond the Chess World.

[thespacialone]

@Mathview Intriguing conjecture, the game's afoot!

[junkyjuice21]

i always thought there were unconventional ways to win, great vid

[ex0duzz]

Awesome game of choice Tryfon. Interesting(and somewhat scary) to see how 'human' a computer game can look these days.. even more scary to know that the whole game was played without any 'inaccuracies'(i'm assuming), and yet you know that since computers are getting stronger STILL, that what we see here isn't even perfect play yet and we still have much we can offer the computers, and vice versa. When the day comes that we have nothing more to offer, is the day that robots will rule the world =)

[ggaeta91]

"He's a bishop up...err...it's a bishop up." That phrase is both hilarious and bone chilling

[EClein2]

This is an incredible game. The lesson is not that any one gambit is necessarily sound, but that multiple gambits are if the opportunity to use each one is taken at the appropriate time during a game (which is usually a narrow window of opportunity). Who could refute that?! You would have to be a genius and an expert in every gambit line known to chess. This is the future - "The Kamikaze Era".

[mcchang1032]

"Engine-romantic era" -- nice oxymoron. Quite appropriate for there to be a Revolution in chess at this time in history ;-)

[TeraHammer]

Yes! More of these games please - this is brilliant! 

[surfsoccer13]

is there somewhere you can download for free either one of these engines?

[mahoolahoo]

@surfsoccer13 houdini 1.5a is free.... google search for download...you get a lot of bonus stuff like fischer 60 games etc. excellent engine.

[TheOneBlackSheep1973]

the scissor bishops blockading both white pawns but supporting its own lethal pawn advances to f3 and e3 whilst pinning the bishop to the king with the rook and also protecting his own king from annoying checks the a8 bishop also controls the invasion from the rook on g2 and d5 and the king controls c5,6,7 and can also protect the bishop , its mindboggling to think houdini was able to dynamically figure it would come to this with such earlier (with what seemed) recklessness. Romanticism is back

[youvebeensmoked]

This could be a new era in KC videos... we need to see more of these, this is spectacular and horribly instructive!!

[mschonert7]

Again, as I said for the last video, analysis with Houdini would just say rybka was worse all along, not that he houdini is suddenly winning out of nowhere. Rybka was wrong with his analysis, and that's why he loses.

[MagikoZari]

this game produces sounds like WHOAHHHHHHHH

[MrZingnigga]

What was the point of Na4? This is not centralized at all and seems to be counter-intuitive in any game, never mind in a gambit.

[Halo3ForumEurope]

"Let's check this Rybka move" *Opens deep rybka 4*

Made me laugh haha

[5y89sdfih]

Wow, this game is really incredible. Great job on commentary as always. Would love to see you cover more elite computer vs computer matches.

[dylancaprotti]

awesome game, great commentation.... lots to think about, this'll keep me busy for a couple days, thank you

[richessboy]

actually, the g5 move in the c3 Sicilian is the main line. I know because i play the c3 Sicilian as white.the reason black plays g5 is usually because whites e5 pawn is very uncomfortable for black, so therefore black must do everything he can to get rid of it. g5 also has ideas of g4, kicking away the knight, and bg7, putting more pressure on whites e5 pawn.

[howardbeasley]

@richessboy yr correct, the first 10-12 moves were 'fed' from a quality tuned opening book.

[Haleyjoy0]

@howardbeasley Thanks for pointing this out. I was just about to.

[chumbucket843]

thanks for the vid! i was pleasantly surprised when i saw that you did the game i asked for. it is really interesting to watch a brute force engine chugging 1's and 0's produce beautiful moves.

[Elkhwind]

Very impressive.

[Charmnod]

Does rybka make the moves itself or is there a team behind it using rybka as a tool?

[howardbeasley]

@Charmnod rybka was the same rybka u can buy. it was run on very powerful hardware but given enough time all moves could be replicated on yr computer.

[AwNNeR]

I watched this game a few weeks ago when Genius Prophecy mentioned Houdini in one of his recent videos. I had meant to ask you how you felt about Houdini. I take it you are as amazed by Houdini as I am. I switched to Houdini 1.5 once I read about its strength and particularly, after I watched this game. Brilliant. Thank you for your analysis.

Out of curiosity, are you going to permanently switch to Houdini 1.5 over Deep Rybka 4?

[Solonil]

I will not castle from now on.

[019420072]

I am amaized, simply amaizing, post more games from Houdini (vs Rybka or anyone(thing) else) and somehow one chess endgame came to my mind that Rybka couldnt solve(I've tryed with Rybka 3 but I think 4 cant solve it eather).Can Houdini solve it? heres the link /watch?v=laLKG2hyuh4 please check it out.

[youvladimir]

Great video! I hope u bring on more engine games like this, amazing strategy unseen before...

[leeponzu]

This belongs on the Evolution of Style papist.

[TheMrToastify]

7:42 :D

[scottie55901]

It is MIND NUMBING to think that a pawn gambit, not just a gambit but followed by a double pawn sac... can lead to such a total domination of the game!? If a human played something like that, people would think that (s)he was insane! But then to justify it! Shows some of the deeper flaws still with computers (materialistic) but also show just how far beyond a human horizon chess really can be. Throw intuition out the window and rethink tactics, pins, sacs... WOW!

[spodule6000]

Techo-romanticism - fantastic!

[pistraurder]

houdini seems like a petrosian-kasparov hybrid with of course super-sonic computer calculating ability

[momokill1]

Thank you for posting these videos. I would be lost without them.

[howardbeasley]

kc can u link tcec-chess. org in the descrip?

[kingscrusher]

@howardbeasley ok done

[howardbeasley]

@kingscrusher thx much! this is all done on a ridiculously fast comp bought & maintained (afaik) simply for this purpose. u can watch games live at chessbomb. com & donate @ the homepage.

[gabe10021]

"The name Houdini was chosen because of the engine's positional style,

its tenacity in difficult positions and its ability

to defend stubbornly and escape with a draw – sometimes

by the narrowest of margins. On the other hand Houdini

will often use razor-sharp tactics to deny its opponents

escape routes when it has the better position". Robert Houdart

[gabe10021]

Houdini smacked Rybka around like a red-headed stepchild.

Immortal game which will stay in history as the end of Rybka's illegitimate domination of the chess engine market...

Thank you for highlighting this event in which there is another nice victory of Houdini...

[guitarfella581]

beautiful

[djcripsalot]

talked to u on CC but rybka doesn't have a 'breadth search' it has an artificially suppressed one. add 3 or 4 to rybka's depth to get 'real depth'.

[zk453]

WOW