It's a well know member of the Nottingham RSOC who I know very well and iv been out in the car a couple of times and boy does it handle and go well and the driver is a gd driver, car has now moved on but still lives in Nottingham. The spec at that time would of been roughly as follows:
2wd Sapphire Cosworth in crystal blue.
350-400bhp mapped by MAD.
Coilovers full poly bush setup, adjustable bottom arms.
@JamesRScos Thanks for the info! I always thought it must be over 300bhp. I do recall a thread on passionford about the trackday and I'm sure someone posted about the car at the time.
@turbocemal standard "cossyies" don't go that fast, they're slow by today's standard! this pulls away nicely at higher speeds so must be in the region of 300bhp. The EVO and the Subaru were full on trackcars with BIG power.
@cw205mi16 300bhp!!? and a 160bhp 205 is on its tail......iiiirrr no offence but i dont think so.yes the cossys is heavier but still 300bhp is enough power to leave a turbo pug in the dust.the pug was obviously ur pride and joy but cant RUNAWAY from facts mate.
@turbocemal@cw205mi16 We can obviously argue about it until the cows come home, but a standard sapphire cosworth is not quick - what were they 200bhp?, it's the way it pulls away at high speeds which shows the speed difference and demonstrates the power it has. It would also outrun a mates AUDI S4 until it hit the limiter & ran out of gears - we were both surprised at that. It also never felt slow after driving my 320bhp M Coupe either.
@cw205mi16 well in thet case your pug must have more than 160bhp.dont get me wrong but it just doesnt ad up.i have driven my mates cossy which was bog standard after getting out of my e39 m5 with 417bhp the old ford was surprisingly fast
I am a Ford man but I deeply respect the 205 (you have to be pretty ignorant not to). Great video, what kind of bhp were you getting out of the Mi16 at the time?
@cw205mi16 That must have been tough seeing that go after all those years. I have a Mk2 Escort, bit less power and a bit more weight than yours (see my vids). I have owned her for 15 years now and it would kill me to sell her. Have you got a suitable replacement for the 205?
People need to remember the RWD sapphire is abit shoddy in some ways but still a brilliant car. The 4x4 is great though. The 205 is a great handling little car no dennying it, but the cosworth was always the most head turning and most sucessful car out of the 2, and petrol heads appreciated them more.
Hooray! You got him at the end! Obv he let you through but his crap corner entry and exit (may have had shot tyres) compared to your smooth lines (in the last couple of laps) gave you the right of road.
Bet you're relieved he paid attention and stepped aside instead of trying to drive faster and ended up spinning.
@thesunshines what you winging on about bet your one of those sad fuckers who go how dare you slag the cossie off. Anyone knows the rwd saph is the shittest outta the lot it scrapes its arse on the floor when you floor it the 4wd one though that's different it was good enough for ford to use the chassis and 4wd transmission for the escort cosworth
Cool vid,put that saph on a tight country road and the pug would be gone in a few corners. Plus loved the way the red Evo and white scooby turned up and smoked the cossies with ease.
@v1wrc i love it how you are the stereo typical cosworth hater! the car was made in 1988/1989, the evo and scooby were made in he millenium. Cosworth is one of the most tuneable engines ever produced, its muppets like you have no clue, any petrol head can appreciate them, just the same as i appreciate a scooby or evo. you goon
very god driving ! the cosworth have more but also is more heavy! so is normal he pul away on the straights. and the 205 is the oposite side only have abot 800 kg! so conery is faster! Very god driving !
Imo id say that saph is stage 1 and running about 250bhp,,saphs handle horrible,205s are one of the best handling fwd cars ever made. Fwd is for kiddies and lowlifes anyway!boost and rwd FTW
LOL, but this was a trackday for road cars and non race drivers. Also, are these "class D" cars used as everyday cars with full interior trim, carpets, less than ideal geometry for track etc?
@Jamerio3D ive raced cars in the nsscc and every other saloon and sports car championship in the uk coming 3rd 2 weeks ago in the dmn at mallory in a escort cosworth ive done more laps around croft on track days and races than you have had pussy come and see me at any nsscc round car 97 and tell me to my face big man
So whats the spec of the Sapph? Id guess 803's and T34??? 23-25 psi boost?? Stage 3 in other words.
Thats gonna make it 330 ish bhp.
2wd Sapphs are a handful on bends but are plenty fun, as in the video. I love them, thats why Im on to my 4th one. I do know that a feisty little 205 MI16 would torture it in the twisties and give it a good run out of the bends too. The Cossie would only leave it up at higher speeds.
Maybe one day Ill own an MI16 205 too and be a happy man. LOL
yeah standard i think it is. In the earlier comments the uploader of this video, mentioned that it was modified - can´t remember exactly how much it has, but you could take a look see :)
cant beat the old 205's i had a turbo technics last and an mi16 before that i would like another but i sold the tt to buy a bike, they are super cool and its easy to show people up in the corners. top vid
Nice vid one of best ive seen. Thinking about going on a track day. Can you tell me the life span of tyres when driving in your vid. As I dont wont to drive home on baldy tyres. Thanks
Not too bad on a 205, although the wear on the front left shoulder is pretty bad if you run standard camber (as I was). Wear rate is worse if the tyres are new as they overheat, so I always used tyres that were more than half worn but tended to take spares to get me home incase.
Quality, a Scooby and an Evo just cruise on past about 4 mins in the vid, with the Evo eventually getting in front, so it beat a Scooby, a pug 205, a Saphirre Cossie and a 2 door Sierra. Some motor. Great to see an older Ford still kicking ass tho!
Yea the EVO was properly fast track car (not standard) - the Impreza was a stripped out track car too but nowhere near as quick though as you can see it in the distance for most of the rest of the video, it just shows how much difference 4WD makes out of a very tight hairpin!!
Great video. Would have thought that the turbo-charged cossie would have the measure on the pug down the straights, despite being a fair bit heavier, but I'm pleasantly surprised.
Was considering getting a 205gti myself, but here in Aus the 1.9 only had 75kW, and the MI16 engines are hard to come by. Instead i got a 306gti6.
But they are just amatuer drivers having fun deancarr10 a few of the early lines were reasonable, but you no what its like when your racing your hearts going double time and thats when concentration becomes harder.
Anyway any bank jobs going in the south of england il be your driver ;)
qu'estce que sa roule une sierra cosworth ... malgré que ce soit sur piste et qu'il n'y a pas de ligne droite , a la moindre ligne sa mets l'écart ... voiture vicieuse et discréte .. merci a ce qui ont filmé ..
the lines could have been better for both drivers. and the guy in the cossy keeps getting the tail out and not using all of the road. both cars could have been driven alot faster.
mi-16 205's are fucking stonking things, the really are a working mans ferrari! 170 bhp standard in a 750kg shell ffs, thats a power to weight ratio that in my experience is too fast for most roads. my friend has one raced it at crail in scotland and he would devour 5 litre beemers in it, and the car cost him no more than 1500 to complete the project, the beemer costs about 65k lol between mi16 205 and the g60 mk1 golf i dunno whats the most insane lol
I have owned both car previously not just a 1.9 8V Pug gti but the Mi16. The power to weight in the pug is probably quite similar to the cossie. I have to say that a light nimble car like the pug can suprise many cars in the twisties. The cossie was well driven as the driver was hitting the apexs and taking the right lines. Agreed regarding the Evo's they are very quick cars.A top video guys. Good work.
agreed, cossie has a far bigger engine but the 205 has about 50% of the weight and its only carrying a 2L 16v.
ok the cossie has all that power, but where is it? you cant see it really. id rather the 205, because its raw power and no weight, kinda like a motorbike lol, cossie has to have that big motherfucker of an engine to get it to do that, id rather the lotus approach and say...its too fucking heavy
that bloke has jus gone down sainsburys got aload of shopping picked the kids up from school taken nan and grandad down the coast and now hes beating a pug round a race track im not slaggin the pug of but its a cossie 4 me
Are you sure it was Sainsbury's and not Asda? It also looks like he stopped off for some fags too by the way it's smoking. Anyway,I'm sure the 205 could do all those things and I'm not trying to say one's better than the other! :D
re the sierra ..the way those evos went past it there aint much modding going on under the bonnet and it handled like an old transit van....smoked like one as well
There was only one EVO.But yea they were quick (the Orange EVO very, the white Impreza not hugely quicker in a straightline).But if there's ever a corner where the 4WD of an EVO/Impreza can really show it's superiority, it's coming out of the hairpin at Croft (Impreza was alongside me round the hairpin).
What a shame to see most of the commenters be such dumbfucks, don't You know how darn fast those 205's are? No matter if it is FWD, on small windy road those beat Ferraris, atleast when it comes to Jeremy Clarkson :P Put Mi16 engine, 309 rear-axle and good dampers, maybe a turbo and theres not many cars that could beat 205. Unless they are like worth 10x the 205 is xD
Wow! The cossie driver is trying hard, you can tell by the car's attitude through the bends, he probably could go faster, but the large turbo makes it very difficult to modulate the power.
The 205 is also trying hard, as on the longer straights, you can hear the engine is close to the rev limit.
I have driven a high power saph, and also have owned 205's in various states of tune., so I know what I am on about!
Nice driving, cossie driver as well. just out of interest I owned the first ever UK Dimma built by Skip Brown with a S16 Conversion on twin carbs. Monster.
I know the Cossie and the driver.... It's around the 400bhp mark and it was it's first outing with new coil over suspension and he was playing around with it all day. It was also over fuelling quite bad too. The 205 was going really well and perhaps in a race may have done him on a couple of the corners but down the straights he was leaving the 205. Perhaps if the Cossie was in race trim you may have seen how quick this car really is. It is a road car used daily.
Nice vid... Both good drivers. Don't underestimate a 205 mi16. I had 2 309gti-16's (same engine) and that's an amazing fast car. I'm sure this Cossie must be modified to stay ahead. I like Cossies too by the way ;)
Great Video.. love the cossie twitchin about driver does well to control that. Pug does well to keep up! The Evo and Scooby fly past them love to take my st205 gt4 to croft.
Power/weight ratio has a lot to do with it here. Lets just say it's two drivers of quick cars who know how to have fun, and its great to watch. Anyway i hate these videos because now i want a 205 gti.
Any by god that 205 sounds good, second only to an s2000 ;)
right chappies, 205 pug wi the mi6 [could be on boddies] probably stripped and cadged and running sticky tyres and the same weight as a buiscut tin,this car is extemly quick, but would have needed a roket welded in to PASS the saff, 'COSWORTH'long live the king 'D'
wot eva power these cars have they are still pritty slow thoughout the lap a miglia mini with 130bhp will lap croft in 1.34 these are doing it in about 1.50 16 seconds of the pace keep your power it means nothing
it aint all bad rocksteadydave! i had a 205 for my first car all be it a 1.4, after that i wanted a GTi! so when 1 years no claims came round i got it and insurance was same as the 1.4, with the 1 years no claims!! TPFT though. Great cars so much fun, be prepared to get your hands dirty though.
only one problem with fords.... and its just that... the name- FORD. They are rubbish cars. The original design is put in front of the accountants, and every part on the car is evaluated to see if they can shave off a few pence costs, by replacing it with a cheaper alternative. Result- shit cars.
im a cos fan , been in a few round donnigton and castle coombe ,pug's got a good power to weight ratio , with a mi16 engine in it must go like stink , revvy engine . 2wd saffs bit of a monster to drive on a track!both good drivers , respect!
I agree a 270bhp Sapphire would be quick but it wouldn't be lunging away like that on the straights when it gets on boost. Apparently it's T34 MAD conversion on greys whatever that equates to.
Right!!
Let's get things cleared up on the Cossie.
It's a well know member of the Nottingham RSOC who I know very well and iv been out in the car a couple of times and boy does it handle and go well and the driver is a gd driver, car has now moved on but still lives in Nottingham. The spec at that time would of been roughly as follows:
2wd Sapphire Cosworth in crystal blue.
350-400bhp mapped by MAD.
Coilovers full poly bush setup, adjustable bottom arms.
Upgraded 4 pot front brakes, bells and r
JamesRScos 2 weeks ago
@JamesRScos Thanks for the info! I always thought it must be over 300bhp. I do recall a thread on passionford about the trackday and I'm sure someone posted about the car at the time.
cw205mi16 2 weeks ago
that cossy looks and goes like a standard cossy very unlikely its modified.notice the scooby and evo overtaking without much effort.
turbocemal 1 month ago
@turbocemal standard "cossyies" don't go that fast, they're slow by today's standard! this pulls away nicely at higher speeds so must be in the region of 300bhp. The EVO and the Subaru were full on trackcars with BIG power.
cw205mi16 1 month ago
@cw205mi16 300bhp!!? and a 160bhp 205 is on its tail......iiiirrr no offence but i dont think so.yes the cossys is heavier but still 300bhp is enough power to leave a turbo pug in the dust.the pug was obviously ur pride and joy but cant RUNAWAY from facts mate.
turbocemal 4 weeks ago
@turbocemal @cw205mi16 We can obviously argue about it until the cows come home, but a standard sapphire cosworth is not quick - what were they 200bhp?, it's the way it pulls away at high speeds which shows the speed difference and demonstrates the power it has. It would also outrun a mates AUDI S4 until it hit the limiter & ran out of gears - we were both surprised at that. It also never felt slow after driving my 320bhp M Coupe either.
cw205mi16 4 weeks ago
@cw205mi16 well in thet case your pug must have more than 160bhp.dont get me wrong but it just doesnt ad up.i have driven my mates cossy which was bog standard after getting out of my e39 m5 with 417bhp the old ford was surprisingly fast
turbocemal 4 weeks ago
iv had both,205gti not as fast but way better to drive!
HENRYHOBBS1 1 month ago
I am a Ford man but I deeply respect the 205 (you have to be pretty ignorant not to). Great video, what kind of bhp were you getting out of the Mi16 at the time?
petrolhead1977 3 months ago
@petrolhead1977 It's the 1.9 16v engine, around 155-160bhp. I don't have the car anymore though - sold it last year after 12 years of ownership!
cw205mi16 3 months ago
@cw205mi16 That must have been tough seeing that go after all those years. I have a Mk2 Escort, bit less power and a bit more weight than yours (see my vids). I have owned her for 15 years now and it would kill me to sell her. Have you got a suitable replacement for the 205?
petrolhead1977 3 months ago
People need to remember the RWD sapphire is abit shoddy in some ways but still a brilliant car. The 4x4 is great though. The 205 is a great handling little car no dennying it, but the cosworth was always the most head turning and most sucessful car out of the 2, and petrol heads appreciated them more.
Englandforever91 6 months ago
really enjoyed watching that, some nice pics o the cossie in the corners getting a wee bit excited lol
THEBIGYINFAETHETOON 6 months ago
Hooray! You got him at the end! Obv he let you through but his crap corner entry and exit (may have had shot tyres) compared to your smooth lines (in the last couple of laps) gave you the right of road.
Bet you're relieved he paid attention and stepped aside instead of trying to drive faster and ended up spinning.
Upload another, I really enjoyed that.
Gasinduced 7 months ago
Pug keeps up with cossie..headline news! Give me the coz anyday.
streethassled 7 months ago
if its a rsoc show why the hell are you in a pug? cosworths will always be better then little pugs
Spoonerqwerty 7 months ago
@Spoonerqwerty Because a lot of Ford RS owners are polishers so they never fill the slots with Fords on track
cw205mi16 7 months ago 3
yep cossie rules but big respect to the chaser.iam buying a saph cossie tmoz 410 bhp.ride it
leevwe 8 months ago
@thesunshines what you winging on about bet your one of those sad fuckers who go how dare you slag the cossie off. Anyone knows the rwd saph is the shittest outta the lot it scrapes its arse on the floor when you floor it the 4wd one though that's different it was good enough for ford to use the chassis and 4wd transmission for the escort cosworth
v1wrc 8 months ago
Cool vid,put that saph on a tight country road and the pug would be gone in a few corners. Plus loved the way the red Evo and white scooby turned up and smoked the cossies with ease.
v1wrc 10 months ago
@v1wrc i love it how you are the stereo typical cosworth hater! the car was made in 1988/1989, the evo and scooby were made in he millenium. Cosworth is one of the most tuneable engines ever produced, its muppets like you have no clue, any petrol head can appreciate them, just the same as i appreciate a scooby or evo. you goon
thesunshines 8 months ago
the rwd cosworths do get a bit tail happy
cosworthsaresexy 10 months ago
@cosworthsaresexy it was a 4x4 I think, it just had a lot of power! hehe
cw205mi16 10 months ago
ive got a 205 1.9 gti, so im a 205 man at heart...but that cossie was wild. pleasure to watch.
mangaloveFTW 1 year ago
very god driving ! the cosworth have more but also is more heavy! so is normal he pul away on the straights. and the 205 is the oposite side only have abot 800 kg! so conery is faster! Very god driving !
7636ub 1 year ago
what was done to your 205? does it have black comp mo's by any chance?
cossiecal 1 year ago
Imo id say that saph is stage 1 and running about 250bhp,,saphs handle horrible,205s are one of the best handling fwd cars ever made. Fwd is for kiddies and lowlifes anyway!boost and rwd FTW
cossiecal 1 year ago
@cossiecal It's running more near 300bhp, a 250bhp Sierra wouldn't pull away that convincingly on the straights.
cw205mi16 1 year ago
Those Cosworths smoke more than a 60's Pool room.
ScottishScoobs 1 year ago
1:57 very nice turn. the cosworth got a bit squirrelish there
mobsterbillyjoe 1 year ago
beautiful!
ledvexxa 1 year ago
beautiful!
ledvexxa 1 year ago
cavolo è velocissimo
giodrum85 1 year ago
The back of that Cosworth is tramping around like hell. 205 has it clean through the corners and under brakes. Lovely bit of kit!
opbk88 1 year ago
loving the siera drifts, good vid, just about to buy a track toy with my mate, cant wait to get out there.
888jonnyd888 1 year ago
you guys are good i will give you that tyres , what tyres ? lOl the way you guys are driving you will need a spare set lol great driving =]
Willz136 1 year ago
love cossys and the 205 mi16 or the 1.6/1.9gti :D
danielhylton93 1 year ago
ahh good old cozzie spittin out some flames
jambamz 1 year ago
that cossy only had you on the straights
sh0wst0ppa 1 year ago
shit gear changin in the 205
joel57338 2 years ago
i put an mi16 in my gti when i was 17 epic car ! the cossie driver is slack my scooby would kill that and thats my second car
cjsti 2 years ago
I think you changed up to top gear too soon sometimes. Get it screaming they love to rev those Mi 16's
copstolemywife 2 years ago
rings arent on there way out.that happens with every tuned turbo car when its hot
traynoro1 2 years ago
4x4 every time love cossies but not keen on 2wd good fun but cant get power down as good
jonjade 2 years ago
i donno why people are rating the cossie driver, he is kinda useless. looks like his rings are on their way out. Cossies are fun tho, esp the escort.
Big up the MI16 !!
lateboy4 2 years ago
boyh are really slow laping slower than most class d (upto1600cc) cars from the nsscc
whitemetro99 2 years ago
LOL, but this was a trackday for road cars and non race drivers. Also, are these "class D" cars used as everyday cars with full interior trim, carpets, less than ideal geometry for track etc?
cw205mi16 2 years ago 3
@whitemetro99
You have to be some kind real stupid moron to compare nsscc to a track day with road cars.
Seriously, you are the twat at car crusies people laugh at because they talk so much shit.
Jamerio3D 1 year ago
@Jamerio3D ive raced cars in the nsscc and every other saloon and sports car championship in the uk coming 3rd 2 weeks ago in the dmn at mallory in a escort cosworth ive done more laps around croft on track days and races than you have had pussy come and see me at any nsscc round car 97 and tell me to my face big man
whitemetro99 1 year ago
Great vid,
loonytooney 2 years ago
Good Vid on a trackday of cars actually racing.
DuttyDoogz 2 years ago
Sierra let you past tho :)
DuttyDoogz 2 years ago
bloody quick this pug its up the saffs chuffer
trevorcossie 2 years ago
cozzy twats it on the straights
mightyminor 2 years ago
i bet that saph isnt even 300 brake lol
cossiecal 2 years ago 3
Evo VI ftw @ 4:50
shinysideup100 2 years ago
Cossie owner is struggling to keep it on the road i am loving the pug though that thing is quick and sticks to the road .
paulb4uk 2 years ago
So whats the spec of the Sapph? Id guess 803's and T34??? 23-25 psi boost?? Stage 3 in other words.
Thats gonna make it 330 ish bhp.
2wd Sapphs are a handful on bends but are plenty fun, as in the video. I love them, thats why Im on to my 4th one. I do know that a feisty little 205 MI16 would torture it in the twisties and give it a good run out of the bends too. The Cossie would only leave it up at higher speeds.
Maybe one day Ill own an MI16 205 too and be a happy man. LOL
BigErn0904 2 years ago
both cars look very well driven, cosy rules for me though.
kevdrifter77 2 years ago 13
Cosworth sounds good of course. Don't like the MI16 but it's driven well
TheRichy23 2 years ago 3
LOVE this video!!
r1gomy 2 years ago 2
Two top drivers,Excellent!!
spu176 2 years ago 2
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haha cosworth turbo charged can't beat a normally aspirated 205 Mi16 lol cosworths good in there day, pants by todays standards
EVOIIGSR 2 years ago
HAHA nice video!!!
sierra is faster!!!!
ford sierra 4ever!!!!!
fordsierraXR4 3 years ago 3
hehe - would be kind of embarrassing if it wasn´t :D
160 bhp against 270 - 300?
testacorsa150 2 years ago
ain't it 162kW or 220hp ?
qazeder 2 years ago
yeah standard i think it is. In the earlier comments the uploader of this video, mentioned that it was modified - can´t remember exactly how much it has, but you could take a look see :)
testacorsa150 2 years ago
=) oh, ok. was too lazy to look thru all the comments.
qazeder 2 years ago
As far as I can see the sierra is RWD which means it's 204 hp standard. BTW, the 205 is also modified - there's no 205 mi 16.
Both cars are great :)
andrevv156 2 years ago 4
fucking bang on
astenbd 3 years ago
Yr Mi16 engine sounds sweet. Nice drive.
tzracing 3 years ago
La 205 est obligée de prendre l aspiration sinon elle a pas assez de puissance pour doubler cette magnifique voiture qui est la Ford Sierra Cosworth
kevinmso 3 years ago
very nice video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CossiSierra 3 years ago
The Peugeot was a very patient & excellent driver. Drafting began at 8:07 XD. Great vid mate no annoying music. Rated 5 stars
superallye 3 years ago 2
Those dueling cars passed the Escort MKII like it was standing still ;D
superallye 3 years ago
cant beat the old 205's i had a turbo technics last and an mi16 before that i would like another but i sold the tt to buy a bike, they are super cool and its easy to show people up in the corners. top vid
mickgsxr600k4 3 years ago 2
lmao,that saph is an evil handling beast,plenty of power,but its sliding in the corners.s'what rwd is all about :D
BubbaZanetti666 3 years ago 4
excellent vid and the best thing is you didnt dub stupid music over the top of it.people want to hear the cars not music.well done.
TOMUCHBHP 3 years ago 10
belle bourre
natifgwada 3 years ago
well done the 205 driver for keeping the non-standard Cossie in your sights...love RWD but Peugeot got it spot on with the 205
scotlander32 3 years ago
that was a fuckin mint video, do you know person driving the cossie?
noasis2 3 years ago
hi, thanks! - no I think I posted it on the Passionford forum and I think people knew who he was but not sure if he actually saw it.
cw205mi16 3 years ago
Nice vid one of best ive seen. Thinking about going on a track day. Can you tell me the life span of tyres when driving in your vid. As I dont wont to drive home on baldy tyres. Thanks
jjspinxy 3 years ago
Not too bad on a 205, although the wear on the front left shoulder is pretty bad if you run standard camber (as I was). Wear rate is worse if the tyres are new as they overheat, so I always used tyres that were more than half worn but tended to take spares to get me home incase.
cw205mi16 3 years ago
Thanks yeah I think I'll take 2 spares for the front. Ive only got a stand 206 gti on
16's. But should hav a bit of fun chuckin it about.
jjspinxy 3 years ago
best movie ever!!
LonelinessInCrowd 3 years ago
Quality, a Scooby and an Evo just cruise on past about 4 mins in the vid, with the Evo eventually getting in front, so it beat a Scooby, a pug 205, a Saphirre Cossie and a 2 door Sierra. Some motor. Great to see an older Ford still kicking ass tho!
ianrose666 3 years ago
Yea the EVO was properly fast track car (not standard) - the Impreza was a stripped out track car too but nowhere near as quick though as you can see it in the distance for most of the rest of the video, it just shows how much difference 4WD makes out of a very tight hairpin!!
cw205mi16 3 years ago
great cars, prefer the 205 tho
STK87 3 years ago
Pug driver does well... typical cossie, turbo smoking like a chimney, god I love em!!!!
Icearnie 3 years ago 2
pug prob could of had he but hes not a good enuf driver
smitmk3 3 years ago
Great video. Would have thought that the turbo-charged cossie would have the measure on the pug down the straights, despite being a fair bit heavier, but I'm pleasantly surprised.
Was considering getting a 205gti myself, but here in Aus the 1.9 only had 75kW, and the MI16 engines are hard to come by. Instead i got a 306gti6.
306gti666 3 years ago
une sierra sa marche mai la 25envoi ossi pa mal bn ne comparon pa se ki nai pa comparable...
ritchilaclasse 3 years ago
Si la sierra serait vraiment meilleure...elle devrait pas se faire tenir par une simple 205 mi16...traction en plus...
typeRF20c 3 years ago
But they are just amatuer drivers having fun deancarr10 a few of the early lines were reasonable, but you no what its like when your racing your hearts going double time and thats when concentration becomes harder.
Anyway any bank jobs going in the south of england il be your driver ;)
CaptiveRiticuli 3 years ago
qu'estce que sa roule une sierra cosworth ... malgré que ce soit sur piste et qu'il n'y a pas de ligne droite , a la moindre ligne sa mets l'écart ... voiture vicieuse et discréte .. merci a ce qui ont filmé ..
yoyoVR 3 years ago
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the both of them are shit my mum can drive bettr.
ben26526 3 years ago
j'aimerai bien voir ça...
typeRF20c 3 years ago
désolé mais a chaque foie que je le regarde je tombe amoureux de la 205
typeRF20c 4 years ago
Aujourd'hui, j'ai remonter et fait rouler pour la première foie une 205 GENTRY mi16...ça chante ! For picture say me ;)
typeRF20c 4 years ago
GOOD VIDEO THAT !!
OLDSKOOLBHP 4 years ago 2
the lines could have been better for both drivers. and the guy in the cossy keeps getting the tail out and not using all of the road. both cars could have been driven alot faster.
deancarr10 4 years ago
Its still good to watch though
pupleon 4 years ago
mi-16 205's are fucking stonking things, the really are a working mans ferrari! 170 bhp standard in a 750kg shell ffs, thats a power to weight ratio that in my experience is too fast for most roads. my friend has one raced it at crail in scotland and he would devour 5 litre beemers in it, and the car cost him no more than 1500 to complete the project, the beemer costs about 65k lol between mi16 205 and the g60 mk1 golf i dunno whats the most insane lol
Focusb4ufire 4 years ago
great cars great driving but u can see clearly the ford leaves the pug in a stight line but round corners that pugs all over that cossies ass lol
awsome clip :)
jayrs2000 4 years ago
I have owned both car previously not just a 1.9 8V Pug gti but the Mi16. The power to weight in the pug is probably quite similar to the cossie. I have to say that a light nimble car like the pug can suprise many cars in the twisties. The cossie was well driven as the driver was hitting the apexs and taking the right lines. Agreed regarding the Evo's they are very quick cars.A top video guys. Good work.
tunio125 4 years ago
Great driving, although I doubt you'd have kept up if the Cossie driver could drive ...
batchelorboy2007 4 years ago 3
agreed, cossie has a far bigger engine but the 205 has about 50% of the weight and its only carrying a 2L 16v.
ok the cossie has all that power, but where is it? you cant see it really. id rather the 205, because its raw power and no weight, kinda like a motorbike lol, cossie has to have that big motherfucker of an engine to get it to do that, id rather the lotus approach and say...its too fucking heavy
Focusb4ufire 4 years ago
Oh ... with a 2l engine it's a different story altogether. I suppose I assumed the Pug was packing a 1.6i.
batchelorboy2007 4 years ago
Lol you fruitcake they're both 2 litre engines!
dac128 4 years ago
1.9L PLEASE (enfin il y a plus de 1.9L que de 2.0L alors on dit que c'est un 1.9L)
typeRF20c 4 years ago
205 has him nailed on the twisty bits
rookhopemag 4 years ago
that bloke has jus gone down sainsburys got aload of shopping picked the kids up from school taken nan and grandad down the coast and now hes beating a pug round a race track im not slaggin the pug of but its a cossie 4 me
2litresierra 4 years ago
Are you sure it was Sainsbury's and not Asda? It also looks like he stopped off for some fags too by the way it's smoking. Anyway,I'm sure the 205 could do all those things and I'm not trying to say one's better than the other! :D
cw205mi16 4 years ago
how old is that french thing??
2litresierra 4 years ago
The "French Thing" is an 88 F-plate - same as the Sierra.
cw205mi16 4 years ago
The most impressive "standard 205 mi16" in UK. You have a great car Chris
dassy810 4 years ago
How high do you rev that 205 ???
XodiloS 4 years ago
It's to about 7000rpm I think (the limiter is around 7200rpm).
cw205mi16 4 years ago
up the 205 gti
gazizle 4 years ago
pjagg007 , are you for f****** real or what , obviously never been in a sierra cosworth , when you know what your talking about then post a comment !
pobbopug 4 years ago
880kg/160hp =)
Topsiekku 4 years ago
nice video..im thinking of taking my focus st round there on 20th oct
yarm777 4 years ago
Love the video .. the cozzie is one of my all time fav's
rogerkimski 4 years ago
re the sierra ..the way those evos went past it there aint much modding going on under the bonnet and it handled like an old transit van....smoked like one as well
katchup 4 years ago
There was only one EVO.But yea they were quick (the Orange EVO very, the white Impreza not hugely quicker in a straightline).But if there's ever a corner where the 4WD of an EVO/Impreza can really show it's superiority, it's coming out of the hairpin at Croft (Impreza was alongside me round the hairpin).
cw205mi16 4 years ago
gotta remember evos are a lot different to the scoobys evos 4wd system way better than the scooby symetrical
Chodesman 4 years ago
What a shame to see most of the commenters be such dumbfucks, don't You know how darn fast those 205's are? No matter if it is FWD, on small windy road those beat Ferraris, atleast when it comes to Jeremy Clarkson :P Put Mi16 engine, 309 rear-axle and good dampers, maybe a turbo and theres not many cars that could beat 205. Unless they are like worth 10x the 205 is xD
toyotaman666 4 years ago
man thats one sick hatch but the Cossie is the best man XD Love cossies. Shuv a T16 in there man!
parkourFTFW 4 years ago
Good driving by all on there. I loved it.
bmxdaveuk 4 years ago
Tasty race. No doubt the Pug is an efficient tool for the job but the guy in the Cossie must have been having the most fun
lumpymi16 4 years ago
Wow! The cossie driver is trying hard, you can tell by the car's attitude through the bends, he probably could go faster, but the large turbo makes it very difficult to modulate the power.
The 205 is also trying hard, as on the longer straights, you can hear the engine is close to the rev limit.
I have driven a high power saph, and also have owned 205's in various states of tune., so I know what I am on about!
For me a well turned out 205 wins every time!
project20516v 4 years ago
gotta love the cosworth. and the subaru and evo are nice. you car is quick!
brad1567 4 years ago
chuck sum twin 45 webbs on and u will kill it? as i have
davemi16 4 years ago
very nice. what a great race to watch.
danieledge 4 years ago
Brilliant!! Must have been a little frustrating as he had a little more on the straights but on the bends the ford was OWNED!!
HutchyBee 4 years ago
i hate swearing but that was a fucking enjoyable race to watch. The driver of the cossie had some good drifts going on.
That 205 is well repected
nice 1
MRSALADDODGER 4 years ago
im guessing he has a anti lag. plus DSM are more known for burning oil not fords.
MazdaBp26 4 years ago
testament to the mi16- engine from a great pug era in arguably the best pug classic 205---just add the t!!!
and 4wd!! what were the beasts from the east running btw..fook me...!
mcjspur 4 years ago
That cossy was a bit smoky. probably runnin a bit rich.
That 205 is rapid keeping up with that cossy though
crazybumjohn 4 years ago
Nice driving, cossie driver as well. just out of interest I owned the first ever UK Dimma built by Skip Brown with a S16 Conversion on twin carbs. Monster.
bigballbrowney 4 years ago
Good driving 'CW' glad to see your vids still creating controversey on the 'tinternet.
GVKmotorsport 4 years ago
whys the cossie engine smoking?
wot4edge540 4 years ago
over fueled?
spermbank1 4 years ago
Plus it needs remapping, and of course being a ford, its burning oil! LOL!
spermbank1 4 years ago
But still kicking ass and taking names. :)
Magnuspire 4 years ago
I know the Cossie and the driver.... It's around the 400bhp mark and it was it's first outing with new coil over suspension and he was playing around with it all day. It was also over fuelling quite bad too. The 205 was going really well and perhaps in a race may have done him on a couple of the corners but down the straights he was leaving the 205. Perhaps if the Cossie was in race trim you may have seen how quick this car really is. It is a road car used daily.
Group4Escort 5 years ago
does the cossie have a flamer kit on it? or is it cos its runnin 2 rich?
cosworth211985 4 years ago
you can get flames spitting because of pure power =]
parkourFTFW 4 years ago
Nice vid!
benmk21600 5 years ago
Nice vid... Both good drivers. Don't underestimate a 205 mi16. I had 2 309gti-16's (same engine) and that's an amazing fast car. I'm sure this Cossie must be modified to stay ahead. I like Cossies too by the way ;)
boerwouter 5 years ago
that cossie needed to get out of your way so you could crack on..if you got passed him he would not of kept up with you..
sniper3750 5 years ago
Flame spitting. Nice!!!
The eighties are back.
The MI sound twin choke carbs... Great little machine!
happyontheroad 5 years ago
Great Video.. love the cossie twitchin about driver does well to control that. Pug does well to keep up! The Evo and Scooby fly past them love to take my st205 gt4 to croft.
warl0rd 5 years ago
cossie rules. the tiny little pug is strugglin to keep up. if it bin me id a quit tryin to pass it.
4stramk3 5 years ago
The cossie has worn out suspension,look how it floats about.
QuassimoJo 5 years ago
very cool vid
itzLeo 5 years ago
Power/weight ratio has a lot to do with it here. Lets just say it's two drivers of quick cars who know how to have fun, and its great to watch. Anyway i hate these videos because now i want a 205 gti.
Any by god that 205 sounds good, second only to an s2000 ;)
eastleycabs 5 years ago
It's a standard Mi16, running full trim and worn road tyres. The Cosworth NEEDS to be modified to stay ahead.
cw205mi16 5 years ago
right chappies, 205 pug wi the mi6 [could be on boddies] probably stripped and cadged and running sticky tyres and the same weight as a buiscut tin,this car is extemly quick, but would have needed a roket welded in to PASS the saff, 'COSWORTH'long live the king 'D'
derickcos 5 years ago
Good video!
Can't beat a good chase.
Funny to see the Cossie wobbling around them corners.
marra222 5 years ago
Are those the same minis that are built for racing, will hit 60 in about 3.5seconds and run full slicks...?
cw205mi16 5 years ago
wot eva power these cars have they are still pritty slow thoughout the lap a miglia mini with 130bhp will lap croft in 1.34 these are doing it in about 1.50 16 seconds of the pace keep your power it means nothing
minimr2 5 years ago
it aint all bad rocksteadydave! i had a 205 for my first car all be it a 1.4, after that i wanted a GTi! so when 1 years no claims came round i got it and insurance was same as the 1.4, with the 1 years no claims!! TPFT though. Great cars so much fun, be prepared to get your hands dirty though.
raveutcars 5 years ago
only one problem with fords.... and its just that... the name- FORD. They are rubbish cars. The original design is put in front of the accountants, and every part on the car is evaluated to see if they can shave off a few pence costs, by replacing it with a cheaper alternative. Result- shit cars.
ollylewin 5 years ago
im a cos fan , been in a few round donnigton and castle coombe ,pug's got a good power to weight ratio , with a mi16 engine in it must go like stink , revvy engine . 2wd saffs bit of a monster to drive on a track!both good drivers , respect!
LINES24 5 years ago
majority of racecars are RWD this is the best set up for a race car fro a race track
whether it be rwd or not, who cares, a standard saff cossie is no race car even if it is rwd
mybizuk 5 years ago
a 330bhp cossie would leave a 165 mi 16 engined 205 for dust, i would say the cossie is proably stage1 260-270ish
mybizuk 5 years ago
I agree a 270bhp Sapphire would be quick but it wouldn't be lunging away like that on the straights when it gets on boost. Apparently it's T34 MAD conversion on greys whatever that equates to.
cw205mi16 5 years ago
Are you all born Gay the cossie is nailing him but have you ever tried steering a Cossie round bends?? Oviously not cos they dont like it lol
calibra100 5 years ago
Thats what around 350bhp does for you, but overall after each lap there it still is. If it was a standard one the video wouldn't have lasted so long.
cw205mi16 5 years ago
erm you must be cus anyone knows a rwd car will go round a corner much better than a fwd!
richystran 5 years ago
Erm yea looked that way on vid with the cossies rear end trying to meet th Bonnet!! Muppett
calibra100 5 years ago