spank your children. in the Bible. Soloman said a parent who loves they children chastens aka spanks them. spank your children! every son God receives He chastens. spanking is good for children but using it as the only way to get children is wrong. God dont like that. fathers provoke not your children unto wrath. spanking and hitting children to get them to do or say something is total wrong.
Absolutely, yes. But only when they've put their life in danger or someone elses life in danger. Otherwise, talking works. Time outs work well and removing privledges also are affective.
A lot of this is 'how it's done'. Some object that spanking teaches violence. This is only the case if it is done in anger. I have spanked my kids (all 6 of them). Yet not one of them know the sound of me raising my voice at them, ever. If you "traine" them right you won't have to "discipline" them as much. I rarely have to spank now because I have "trained" them carefully. One example, none of my kids have ever said "NO!!" That's a cool thing.
"Would I spank/hit/beat my kids for lying to me? Of course, it's good discipline!" "Would I spank/hit/beat my spouse for lying to me? Of course not, that's ABUSE!" The sheer irony. Many parents are hypocrites. Isn't that obvious?
"Would I spank/hit/beat my kids for lying to me? Of course, it's good discipline!" "Would I spank/hit/beat my spouse for lying to me? Of course not, that's ABUSE!" The sheer irony. Many parents are hypocrites. Isn't that obvious?
"Would I spank/hit/beat my kids for lying to me? Of course, it's good discipline!" "Would I spank/hit/beat my spouse for lying to me? Of course not, that's ABUSE!" The sheer irony. Many parents are hypocrites. Isn't that obvious?
@basilization1 no real proof that smacking a kid does harm..... i got smack and many other adults got smack when they were young and didn't do any harm other put me in my place and made me think more. So ur point is invalided... have a nice day
@northwesten I have an ex friend whose daughter committed suicide after a smacking. Do you have any children northwesten.I have two, both in university. Have a no smacking day.
@basilization1 well the child in question wasn't smacking it was getting beaten then... If the child wasn't getting beaten to fuck then their another issue at home then.
"Do you have any children northwesten" Weak very weak and yes I have kids again your point is still invalided! AGAIN good night...
So i guess everyone who says no to spanking prolly did not get spanked when they were kids. Well, if that is true I am sorry. Of course parents do not want to spank their kids, but sometimes it needs to be done. Especially if they are being disrespectful towards their parents or others. I am not saying to beat your kids with a tire iron but dont be afraid to use a belt. My Dad was not. That's mostly why i got spanked. Of course i did not like it but, it reminded me not to be disrepectful.
Some chick said that she wouldn't spank her kids in public...ok, thats fine, give them something to look forward to when they get home. When kids know that you wouldn't get them at wal-mart thats when they think they can act up and get away with it. Its so true!
Heck yeah it hurts, thats why it works! I would have loved it if my parents told me I couldn't play with my barbie or that I had to stay in the house and go to time out. Where were all the anti-spankers when i was little?? When done right, spanking works...I'm not traumatized...I love my parents and I know that they did right by me to make me mind them. I look back now and I laugh at about w/ friends....I can barely remember b/c it didn't happen all the time.
energy attracts like energy. everything is a form of energy. for example if you want friends show yourself friendly. If you want a violent child share your violent energy with them.
In the case of spanking, if a parent goes uses negative energy then yes the child may respond back with some form of negative energy. However, spanking dosen't have to be done with a negative energy. No kids likes to be disciplined. But if a parent stays in control their energy becomes positive and spanking isn't a violent experience. My dad was pretty calm which was even more scarier to me lol. So in this case positive energy is more likely to attract positive energy.
@ladyEulaelie so if i use "positive energy" it's ok if i hit you? or maybe hit my grandmother or mom? after all if it's done with positive energy then it's all ok right?
Yes, if I am your child and my behavior has called for it, absolutely. Even if a child is not being spanked a parent should avoid negative energy b/c the punishment will be more effective if they do....in my opinion.
Your grandmother is an adult and so is your mother. You can't hit them or punish them like a child because they were rude at the post office or to a neighbor. Of course of course of course.
Where is the intelligence in taking a clear statement out of context?
@ladyEulaelie salomon beat adults to not only children. no where in the bible will you find this idea that it is only to be done to children there is actually more scriptures in the bible making reference to adults being chastised physically then kids yet the church today only hits kids. any way you look at it this is pure hipocracy.
The chastisement of adults in solomon's day is different than the chastisement of adults today, except there is no punishment by law for stepping out on your spouse and ppl are not flogged for sexual indecency but given probation.
Hypocrisy? Times have changed. The thief on the cross was executed. We simply don't execute ppl for stealing in most parts of the world today.
What does this have to do w/ a parent lovingly spanking their kids again?
@ladyEulaelie You seem to be excusing the bible's scripture in favor of more modern civilized times but turn your back on modern civilized times in favor or scripture in regards to children...hipocracy!
I don't believe that parents want to spank their kids. If they didn't love them, why would they bother to discipline their kids? Modern times? Some things never change. Just like the dude in the Bible who let his sons run wild and failed to discipline them, you have ppl who fail their kids like that today.
I don't need to excuse the Bible when it clear says...spoil the rod spoil the child.
@ladyEulaelie what dude do you speak of? And spare the rod ,spoil the child is not in the Bible. there are similar verses in the book of proverbs but none of them say anything about being spoiled that saying comes from a seventeenth century poem.
@ladyEulaelie since you seem to be under the impression that the book of proverbs is God speaking ,word for word. then answer me why would the creator of the universe in all his wisdom say such vague comments such as "beat them they wont die" and apparently be so forgetful as to include any regulations to insure that they wont die.?
I'm more than happy to tell you what I believe so that you won't be in a state of guessing of what I might believe. I accept the Bible as a book written by men who were inspired by God. There are statements and witnesses to what Jesus had said but No part of the Bible was written directly from God's hands. The Bible was written at the hands of men.
What child has died b/c of a spanking? No parent who loves their child would literally beat their kid to death. Thats just silly.
you keep thinking that proverbs is speaking about spankings. they are not. they are endorsing brutal beatings with rods. According to the king james bible dictionary a rod is stout peice of wood approx. three ft. long with a bulging nob on the end. unless you literally beat your child with a rod you are not living according to the book of proverbs. so stop trying to justify your modern day ,watered down, sugar coated compromise you call a spanking by those scriptures.
@ladyEulaelie Im sure is solomon seen what modern day parents do to there kids and call it spankings he would laugh. Why do you think im wrong for changing the rod to a totally non-violent form of discipline and your not even though your still changing it to a form of corporal punishment that is so watered down that it doent even resemble what the book of proverbs is talking about?
THe rod is what it is....a wooden stick. If you want to go adding on accessories thats on you...but a rod is a stick. The principal is to inflict pain as discipline. A parent has to use their discernment as to what is appropriate. Simple as that.
Did Jeus not go through the temples whipping people?
John 2:15" And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all OUT OF the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise." Ya See? They disrespected their house and got what was due to them...a good old fashion whoopin! Out of love of course.
@ladyEulaelie that story appears three times in the scripture and that is the only time the scourge is mentioned. that is how little a role it played. Read carefully. It never says he beat them with the scorge but rather mentioned the sheep and oxen . everyone knows that one of the most effecient ways to get livestock moving is to strike a whipp..
Surely you are not comparing sheep who will pretty much do anything by intimidation of barking dogs to children. Children are more like goats and guiding goats like you would sheep is nearly impossible. I'd say the way Jesus used the rod in the temple should be the way parents use the rod with their kids.
@ladyEulaelie I thought it was obvious I was using sheep as an analogy as Jesus does in the bible. The case in the temple is similar in that Jesus was chasing away the predators(money lending rabbis) from his flock (the worshippers).
Ok, will you just spit it out! lol You weren't very direct. You had said one thing and than another and were a bit ambiguous and not very clear on where you stood. I guess I misunderstood and now I realize that we were in agreement with each other. You just kinda throw me off when you said one thing then and then said "have you ever heard of a shepherd hitting sheep with their rod."
It seemed to me that you were switching up symbols. The contextual relationship between what sheep symbolizes and the discipline of children, was blurred...thats why I was a bit confused. You used the analogy of how sheep were guided, which would have worked out if you would have brought your analogy around full circle.
You attempted to prove your point that parents should spoil the rod but you failed b/c you couldn't hold up to the scriptures. Then you tried to say that the Bible was not something to depend on because according to you the Bible did know what it was talking about. Really?
....Yes I called you out and no I will not desert what the Bible says. I don't read it merely for suggestions or tips. The Bible is my life source.
@ladyEulaelie you dont know what you are talking about! the only way that one can not be living in contradiction is to beleive that the new testiment has changed many things about how we are to live in the grace period. things change if you want to accept it or not. God can not stand violence in the home. blessed are the peace keepers. blessed are the merciful for they will receive mercy! dont expect God the father to have mercy on you if you will not have mercy on your children.
Absolutely! Kids & teens are spoil today and want everything given to them at a drop of a dime. They lack manners & simple etiquette "Yes madam" "No sir", "Mr." "Mrs.". Their priorities are screw up. You have teens killing innocent people for what $20. If you don't discipline your children you can expect there will be a day (in future) where you will find no good in people.
I work at a place where families come in all the time, and the families that treat the children as equals always have the biggest brats. Talk back to their parents, call their parents by their first names, run amok throughout the store, complain/cry/scream if they don't get what they want.
If family comes in with a mean mom, moms you KNOW would slap a kid just by their body language to their kids, have the best behaved kids. Speak politely to strangers, etc. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
Addendum to my previous post: I would feel like a stupid asshole, and I would have a very bad conscience, if I exert force against a weaker child. And violence generates new violence, in last consequence wars emerge. Violence is always the last option for fools! Children must be protected, never spanked.
im sorry kids now days dont have any respect. they need a good spanking and sometimes a butt kicking. u have children murdering and beating up on their parents. yea time out n the corner really works....NOT! the people who say they wouldnt spank their kid if they had one dont know what they r talkin about because they have never been n the situation. some kids dont understand the meaning of no and the parents r just yellin after their kids counting to a million for them to listen 2 them. spank!!
if you are looking for a verse that says thou shalt not spank im sorry ,very few of the principals in the Bible are so clear.However spankings are not promoted in the Bible , but rather beatings are, in the book of proverbs. there are 5 vague scriptures mentioned of "beating" children with rods. these beatings were conpletley without regulation.these beatings were so brutal in fact that the next step to the old testiment parental guidlines was to stone the child to death! deut 21 18-21
0:41 so how do you plan on teaching your children what is right? When you discipline children, you are showing love toward them for correcting them from what is wrong.
All through the Bible there are much more references to adults being chastised with rods,whipps,and other things then there are children. yet in the church today only children are beaten, this is hipocracy!paul seen coming at someone with a rod as being the opposite of love in 1 corinthians 4;21 why would any christian want to do anything that is the opposite of love since love is the fullfilling of the law? romans 13:10
Isaiah 53:5 says "the chastisment of our peace was upon him." christ took our physical chastisment once and for all for our wrong doings so we no longer need to be beaten on as in old testiment times. spankings are based on the idea of mixing fear and love. 1 john 4:18 there is no fear in love:but perfect love casteth out fear:because fear hath torment.He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Id spank my kid, lol grounding never worked for me, cause I knew I would get my stuff back in about a week, so I never cared, but damn when my mom would spank me, lol i behaved ^_^
i would not spank my kid if i had one. that's just terrble! I mean your child wouldn't learn anything! Also your church seems so awesome!Your channel is awesome too! God bless you!
nice parents juse to have nice kids.if they are nice and understading and clear at the same time.whitch isent always esy.budt most parents are good parents and shuld stop hawing badconsions.becuse they are wert it!
It takes only a few minutes to have a look at the research and see that children who are spanked are much more likely to grow up to be violent, depressed and to fail in their careers. But people would rather hit children than bother to check the facts. If someone bullied an adult like that, we would put them in jail. To do it to a child is even worse.
i was spanked and i am just fine my cousins was spanked and they just fine 2 and my friends wasn spanked they they grad from college and none of use has been in jail... so what do u have to say about use that sooner or later were goin to jail
I've actually found it to be just the opposite. Everyone I know, from my grandparents on down to my generation and my friends, were spanked as children and 95 PERCENT of us are not criminals, have not failed in our careers, are not depressed. Yeah, sure, there's that other 5%, but it didn't come from being spanked. Now, on the other hand, the kids I know who were not spanked? Hmmm...They're the ones who ended up giving their parents the most problems.
@ThumperBunny43 I second that. My dad spanked me and he's a sadistic psychological bully. The only thing you achieve by striking (spanking) your children is by reinforcing the idea that some form of violence is the only solution to handling a stressful situation. It's so obvious. Thumbs up to you.
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Would I spank my kids? hell yeah little brats better behave or ill punch em in the face. dirty little greasy squealing worthless sacks need a kick or two
Yea, my kids are getting their ass busted if they throw tantrums, cuss at me, etc... Time out just doesnt work for everything. There is a difference between abuse and discipline. I was whooped growing up, and at the time, i didnt like it but now that im older, i openly admit that if they didnt, i would be out of control. like I said, there is a difference between disciplining you child and abusing them, if you cant grasp that your an idiot and dont need to have children.
@injectedxoxo "like I said, there is a difference between disciplining you child and abusing them, if you cant grasp that your an idiot and don't need to have children."
and now that we have kids we can't help but spanked them in certain times when they really go out of boundaries but it is a must i think for parents to explain to their child why they have been spanked. and parents too must be consistent if they said NO on something the next time the child does that it remains a NO. don't confuse your child.
u can really answer that question if u already have children. u have less the right to say that spanking is not an option cause you haven't got the kids that needs discipline. when me n my husband first had a kid we promised to each other that we would never ever spanked them because for once in our life we experienced being spanked but we did not experienced being physically ill or got rebellious in any way.
I was spanked as a child and it instilled discipline that I use today as a college student in nursing. I plan to spank my child, but with more positive reinforcement.
i remember it seems every time i was spanked. my mom used a slipper, her belt or her hand. if i hit her back she would hit me back harder. this was for bad grades and trouble at school, which i remember a lot of.
For those that think just a time out or reasoning with the kid is better than spanking, you'd change your mind if you met one of my friend's kids. He doesn't listen to anyone, does what he wants. They tried the supper nanny time out step. It worked for about a week. After that there was nothing they could do to keep him on the step. Or from screaming out. He doesn't listen to reason either. His mother gets right frustrated. She doesn't spank. That kid needs a swat!
For a child to properly learn and avoid bad behaviour, the parent need to explain to the child why they are getting punished. Using force as a form of discipline is not acceptable. At least not for me. However, I do believe that if a child did something serious, like running into traffic, they should get spanked. It gives them a lasting impression, and they would learn not do to such a dangerous thing. In all other situations I would use time-out.
This is a very interesting clip. Northviewcc, was this used as part of a sermon? What was the congregational response? Were the leadership presenting this advocating a particular method of discipline (for or against spanking)? If so, what was their advice?
Rezlenski, I couldn't agree with you more. It disgusts me that people think the word "spanking" is somehow different than "hitting". I hear so often "Oh, it's just a 'spat', just a 'tap'." No. It's abuse in every form. I pray people begin to understand more the terror and humiliation of so-called "spankings". Perhaps if they suffered through them too... I was lucky in that I was rarely hit, but the few times I was it made me physically ill.
As someone who has grown up around childcare; I have found that the most well-behaved individuals had been spanked. This isn't a long rump-whipping, it was one quick swat on the bottom and telling the child what he/she had done was wrong. And frankly what's better, a touch of humiliation when your younger, or people saying you were spoiled rotten when you're older?
I've also grown up around child-care, an spent a good deal of my teen and now early adult years working with kids. My observation was that the kids who acted out were the ones who were spanked; and the more severe their parents were, the more they acted out (some even tended to be very jumpy.)
I've worked with kids for the past 8 years, and my observations were that the kids who acted out the most were the ones who were spanked (and usually frequently.) The more severe their parents were, the more the kids acted out. The best behaved (and also the smarter kids) were the ones who were either spanked FAR less or never hit at all- but they were also the ones with a LOT of positive reinforcement. Not spanking won't just do it; you have to actually take time to TALK with your kids.
Eee, Youtube is being screwy with comments. Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that, based on my observations (and personal experiences), spanking is ineffective. This is why it tends to escalate in severity; well-meaning people go from one swat, to a few, to hitting bare skin and finally to using implements- and the kid STILL acts out. I wonder why. 9_9
And also just using positive reinforcement is innefective. They get praised all the time? And never punished more then a "time out"? then they get into real life and expect to get away with anything. re: Paris Hilton
There's a right way to spank and a wrong way. Swatting a kid one time just makes him mad. My parents always removed me from the situation, spanked me until I cried (hence breaking my will), and explained before and after why I was getting spanked. They would make me sit on their lap until I stopped crying and then maked me hug them. Because of this, I not only learned to obey the FIRST time I was told, I developed respect and love for my parents.
Nobody wants to spank their kids. Its just something people grit through because they love their kids that much. In my culture this is one of the ways people discipline their kids. To each their own right. Totally respect your opinion
Check out Spanker5's clip choices. He clearly is a spanking fetishist who gets his sexual kicks from hitting children. No wonder he thing there is "nothing wrong with putting a child over your knee for a good old fashioned spanking."
there is nothing wrong with putting a child over your knee for a good old fashioned spanking the kids these days need it badly time outs and grounding or sending a kid to his or her room is lame discipline
I hope the children of the parents who spank their children use the same technique when the parents are elderly and the parents aren't living up to their child's particular standard. It would serve them right.
spank your children. in the Bible. Soloman said a parent who loves they children chastens aka spanks them. spank your children! every son God receives He chastens. spanking is good for children but using it as the only way to get children is wrong. God dont like that. fathers provoke not your children unto wrath. spanking and hitting children to get them to do or say something is total wrong.
TheRenegadeGiratina 2 months ago
Absolutely, yes. But only when they've put their life in danger or someone elses life in danger. Otherwise, talking works. Time outs work well and removing privledges also are affective.
EmberLayne 10 months ago
Queen Elizabeth 1 was never smacked. Do you think she was spoilt?
basilization1 11 months ago
A lot of this is 'how it's done'. Some object that spanking teaches violence. This is only the case if it is done in anger. I have spanked my kids (all 6 of them). Yet not one of them know the sound of me raising my voice at them, ever. If you "traine" them right you won't have to "discipline" them as much. I rarely have to spank now because I have "trained" them carefully. One example, none of my kids have ever said "NO!!" That's a cool thing.
faithandpractice 1 year ago
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"Would I spank/hit/beat my kids for lying to me? Of course, it's good discipline!" "Would I spank/hit/beat my spouse for lying to me? Of course not, that's ABUSE!" The sheer irony. Many parents are hypocrites. Isn't that obvious?
ReNuriche 1 year ago
"Would I spank/hit/beat my kids for lying to me? Of course, it's good discipline!" "Would I spank/hit/beat my spouse for lying to me? Of course not, that's ABUSE!" The sheer irony. Many parents are hypocrites. Isn't that obvious?
ReNuriche 1 year ago
"Would I spank/hit/beat my kids for lying to me? Of course, it's good discipline!" "Would I spank/hit/beat my spouse for lying to me? Of course not, that's ABUSE!" The sheer irony. Many parents are hypocrites. Isn't that obvious?
ReNuriche 1 year ago
Smacking only teaches a child one thing. How to turn their back.
basilization1 1 year ago
@basilization1 bullshit! and utter rubbish!
northwesten 1 year ago
@northwesten Until you can prove that smacking does not do any harm you are conspiring to assault children.
basilization1 11 months ago
@basilization1 no real proof that smacking a kid does harm..... i got smack and many other adults got smack when they were young and didn't do any harm other put me in my place and made me think more. So ur point is invalided... have a nice day
northwesten 11 months ago
@northwesten I have an ex friend whose daughter committed suicide after a smacking. Do you have any children northwesten.I have two, both in university. Have a no smacking day.
basilization1 11 months ago
@basilization1 well the child in question wasn't smacking it was getting beaten then... If the child wasn't getting beaten to fuck then their another issue at home then.
"Do you have any children northwesten" Weak very weak and yes I have kids again your point is still invalided! AGAIN good night...
northwesten 11 months ago
time outs???? you need a spanking.
gobesomebody 1 year ago
So i guess everyone who says no to spanking prolly did not get spanked when they were kids. Well, if that is true I am sorry. Of course parents do not want to spank their kids, but sometimes it needs to be done. Especially if they are being disrespectful towards their parents or others. I am not saying to beat your kids with a tire iron but dont be afraid to use a belt. My Dad was not. That's mostly why i got spanked. Of course i did not like it but, it reminded me not to be disrepectful.
gobesomebody 1 year ago
have yall ever herd the saying in the Bible "spare the rod, spoil the child"???
BreyerCrazy1011 1 year ago
Some chick said that she wouldn't spank her kids in public...ok, thats fine, give them something to look forward to when they get home. When kids know that you wouldn't get them at wal-mart thats when they think they can act up and get away with it. Its so true!
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
NO!!! NEVER!!!!
Its Sad and it Hurts!!!
And if you think I Know Nothing you're wrong becouse my Father did it and I would NEVER really NEVER do that to my Child!!!
That People in the vid make me so ANGRY AAAAAAHH!!!
I Hate them!!!
NEVER !!!
Its so wrong :(
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
@Littleboazfly
Heck yeah it hurts, thats why it works! I would have loved it if my parents told me I couldn't play with my barbie or that I had to stay in the house and go to time out. Where were all the anti-spankers when i was little?? When done right, spanking works...I'm not traumatized...I love my parents and I know that they did right by me to make me mind them. I look back now and I laugh at about w/ friends....I can barely remember b/c it didn't happen all the time.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie
Its You're Opinion but I really Dont Like it
I woudn't do it becouse it makes me sad thats my opinion!!!
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
@Littleboazfly
Lol...ok. I love hot souce and strawberry jam on my toast. Thats also my opinion.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
Would I spank my kids? ABSOLUTELY.
rickyfan3956 2 years ago
energy attracts like energy. everything is a form of energy. for example if you want friends show yourself friendly. If you want a violent child share your violent energy with them.
atterolevad 2 years ago
@atterolevad
In the case of spanking, if a parent goes uses negative energy then yes the child may respond back with some form of negative energy. However, spanking dosen't have to be done with a negative energy. No kids likes to be disciplined. But if a parent stays in control their energy becomes positive and spanking isn't a violent experience. My dad was pretty calm which was even more scarier to me lol. So in this case positive energy is more likely to attract positive energy.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie so if i use "positive energy" it's ok if i hit you? or maybe hit my grandmother or mom? after all if it's done with positive energy then it's all ok right?
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
Yes, if I am your child and my behavior has called for it, absolutely. Even if a child is not being spanked a parent should avoid negative energy b/c the punishment will be more effective if they do....in my opinion.
Your grandmother is an adult and so is your mother. You can't hit them or punish them like a child because they were rude at the post office or to a neighbor. Of course of course of course.
Where is the intelligence in taking a clear statement out of context?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie salomon beat adults to not only children. no where in the bible will you find this idea that it is only to be done to children there is actually more scriptures in the bible making reference to adults being chastised physically then kids yet the church today only hits kids. any way you look at it this is pure hipocracy.
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
....your message was garbbled.
The chastisement of adults in solomon's day is different than the chastisement of adults today, except there is no punishment by law for stepping out on your spouse and ppl are not flogged for sexual indecency but given probation.
Hypocrisy? Times have changed. The thief on the cross was executed. We simply don't execute ppl for stealing in most parts of the world today.
What does this have to do w/ a parent lovingly spanking their kids again?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie You seem to be excusing the bible's scripture in favor of more modern civilized times but turn your back on modern civilized times in favor or scripture in regards to children...hipocracy!
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
I don't believe that parents want to spank their kids. If they didn't love them, why would they bother to discipline their kids? Modern times? Some things never change. Just like the dude in the Bible who let his sons run wild and failed to discipline them, you have ppl who fail their kids like that today.
I don't need to excuse the Bible when it clear says...spoil the rod spoil the child.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie what dude do you speak of? And spare the rod ,spoil the child is not in the Bible. there are similar verses in the book of proverbs but none of them say anything about being spoiled that saying comes from a seventeenth century poem.
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
Proverbs 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
What does this Bible verse mean to you?
Proverbs 13:24: " He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him."
What does this Bible verse mean to you?
Are you going to say that these verse are in the OT and not the NT so that they are not useful?? Hummm....
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie yes that is what i will say about that. because the christ being beaten on the cross changed things.
guidav123 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie since you seem to be under the impression that the book of proverbs is God speaking ,word for word. then answer me why would the creator of the universe in all his wisdom say such vague comments such as "beat them they wont die" and apparently be so forgetful as to include any regulations to insure that they wont die.?
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
I'm more than happy to tell you what I believe so that you won't be in a state of guessing of what I might believe. I accept the Bible as a book written by men who were inspired by God. There are statements and witnesses to what Jesus had said but No part of the Bible was written directly from God's hands. The Bible was written at the hands of men.
What child has died b/c of a spanking? No parent who loves their child would literally beat their kid to death. Thats just silly.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
you keep thinking that proverbs is speaking about spankings. they are not. they are endorsing brutal beatings with rods. According to the king james bible dictionary a rod is stout peice of wood approx. three ft. long with a bulging nob on the end. unless you literally beat your child with a rod you are not living according to the book of proverbs. so stop trying to justify your modern day ,watered down, sugar coated compromise you call a spanking by those scriptures.
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
Can you please tell me where it says to brutally beat your kids?
A rod can simply be a piece of wood that people use as a walking stick.
A rod doesn't have to be a torture instrument or used as one. This is common sense to most parents.
I believe that the last part is in a sarcastic tone. "....he will not die" so discipline your kids. Wise words from Solomon.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Im sure is solomon seen what modern day parents do to there kids and call it spankings he would laugh. Why do you think im wrong for changing the rod to a totally non-violent form of discipline and your not even though your still changing it to a form of corporal punishment that is so watered down that it doent even resemble what the book of proverbs is talking about?
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
Huh?
THe rod is what it is....a wooden stick. If you want to go adding on accessories thats on you...but a rod is a stick. The principal is to inflict pain as discipline. A parent has to use their discernment as to what is appropriate. Simple as that.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie the new testiment teaches that the body is the temple of the holy spirit and to not bring any harm against it.
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
Did Jeus not go through the temples whipping people?
John 2:15" And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all OUT OF the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise." Ya See? They disrespected their house and got what was due to them...a good old fashion whoopin! Out of love of course.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie that story appears three times in the scripture and that is the only time the scourge is mentioned. that is how little a role it played. Read carefully. It never says he beat them with the scorge but rather mentioned the sheep and oxen . everyone knows that one of the most effecient ways to get livestock moving is to strike a whipp..
guidav123 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie That rod was used to protect the sheep from predators.Have you ever heard of a shepherd hitting sheep with their rod.
basilization1 11 months ago
@basilization1
Surely you are not comparing sheep who will pretty much do anything by intimidation of barking dogs to children. Children are more like goats and guiding goats like you would sheep is nearly impossible. I'd say the way Jesus used the rod in the temple should be the way parents use the rod with their kids.
ladyEulaelie 11 months ago
@ladyEulaelie I thought it was obvious I was using sheep as an analogy as Jesus does in the bible. The case in the temple is similar in that Jesus was chasing away the predators(money lending rabbis) from his flock (the worshippers).
basilization1 11 months ago
@basilization1
Ok, will you just spit it out! lol You weren't very direct. You had said one thing and than another and were a bit ambiguous and not very clear on where you stood. I guess I misunderstood and now I realize that we were in agreement with each other. You just kinda throw me off when you said one thing then and then said "have you ever heard of a shepherd hitting sheep with their rod."
ladyEulaelie 11 months ago
@basilization1
It seemed to me that you were switching up symbols. The contextual relationship between what sheep symbolizes and the discipline of children, was blurred...thats why I was a bit confused. You used the analogy of how sheep were guided, which would have worked out if you would have brought your analogy around full circle.
ladyEulaelie 11 months ago
@guidav123
30 mins ago the Bible was right, now its wrong??
You attempted to prove your point that parents should spoil the rod but you failed b/c you couldn't hold up to the scriptures. Then you tried to say that the Bible was not something to depend on because according to you the Bible did know what it was talking about. Really?
....Yes I called you out and no I will not desert what the Bible says. I don't read it merely for suggestions or tips. The Bible is my life source.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie you dont know what you are talking about! the only way that one can not be living in contradiction is to beleive that the new testiment has changed many things about how we are to live in the grace period. things change if you want to accept it or not. God can not stand violence in the home. blessed are the peace keepers. blessed are the merciful for they will receive mercy! dont expect God the father to have mercy on you if you will not have mercy on your children.
guidav123 1 year ago
Absolutely! Kids & teens are spoil today and want everything given to them at a drop of a dime. They lack manners & simple etiquette "Yes madam" "No sir", "Mr." "Mrs.". Their priorities are screw up. You have teens killing innocent people for what $20. If you don't discipline your children you can expect there will be a day (in future) where you will find no good in people.
NappyDivinityDiva 2 years ago 2
hell yea.... imma spank my kids... take da rod spoil not the child
krsypooh 2 years ago
It's already Illegal it's Called TITLE 9 under Federal law
melpeacheyfan 2 years ago
I work at a place where families come in all the time, and the families that treat the children as equals always have the biggest brats. Talk back to their parents, call their parents by their first names, run amok throughout the store, complain/cry/scream if they don't get what they want.
If family comes in with a mean mom, moms you KNOW would slap a kid just by their body language to their kids, have the best behaved kids. Speak politely to strangers, etc. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
jrdv86 2 years ago 2
Addendum to my previous post: I would feel like a stupid asshole, and I would have a very bad conscience, if I exert force against a weaker child. And violence generates new violence, in last consequence wars emerge. Violence is always the last option for fools! Children must be protected, never spanked.
welbi1020 2 years ago
@welbi1020
Yes we must protect and Love our Children NOT Spanking!!!
Littleboazfly 1 year ago 2
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welbi1020 2 years ago
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welbi1020 2 years ago
im sorry kids now days dont have any respect. they need a good spanking and sometimes a butt kicking. u have children murdering and beating up on their parents. yea time out n the corner really works....NOT! the people who say they wouldnt spank their kid if they had one dont know what they r talkin about because they have never been n the situation. some kids dont understand the meaning of no and the parents r just yellin after their kids counting to a million for them to listen 2 them. spank!!
Ijustwannabe20 2 years ago 2
Show me the "Book, Chapter and Verse.
kg4yvw 2 years ago
if you are looking for a verse that says thou shalt not spank im sorry ,very few of the principals in the Bible are so clear.However spankings are not promoted in the Bible , but rather beatings are, in the book of proverbs. there are 5 vague scriptures mentioned of "beating" children with rods. these beatings were conpletley without regulation.these beatings were so brutal in fact that the next step to the old testiment parental guidlines was to stone the child to death! deut 21 18-21
guidav123 2 years ago
0:41 so how do you plan on teaching your children what is right? When you discipline children, you are showing love toward them for correcting them from what is wrong.
ridinggirl12 2 years ago
I would say yes. But it depends on the situation, and only as a last resort. Like, if they absolutely WILL NOT listen to you.
Kari166 2 years ago
by last resort it is assumed that if the spanking doesnt work then you will give up. you should never give up on your children.
guidav123 2 years ago
id def hit my kids.... you have to
MahalKoSiya618 3 years ago
spankings are sin according to the new testiment bible
guidav123 3 years ago
Show me the "Book, Chapter and Verse.
kg4yvw 2 years ago
All through the Bible there are much more references to adults being chastised with rods,whipps,and other things then there are children. yet in the church today only children are beaten, this is hipocracy!paul seen coming at someone with a rod as being the opposite of love in 1 corinthians 4;21 why would any christian want to do anything that is the opposite of love since love is the fullfilling of the law? romans 13:10
guidav123 2 years ago
Isaiah 53:5 says "the chastisment of our peace was upon him." christ took our physical chastisment once and for all for our wrong doings so we no longer need to be beaten on as in old testiment times. spankings are based on the idea of mixing fear and love. 1 john 4:18 there is no fear in love:but perfect love casteth out fear:because fear hath torment.He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
guidav123 2 years ago
I will use spanking on my kids.
clachapelle 3 years ago
Id spank my kid, lol grounding never worked for me, cause I knew I would get my stuff back in about a week, so I never cared, but damn when my mom would spank me, lol i behaved ^_^
Darkheart101 3 years ago
i would not spank my kid if i had one. that's just terrble! I mean your child wouldn't learn anything! Also your church seems so awesome!Your channel is awesome too! God bless you!
hnsdreamer12 3 years ago
nice parents juse to have nice kids.if they are nice and understading and clear at the same time.whitch isent always esy.budt most parents are good parents and shuld stop hawing badconsions.becuse they are wert it!
andyunderground 3 years ago
not relly...i seen nice parents with some devil kids
jaws5204 3 years ago
It takes only a few minutes to have a look at the research and see that children who are spanked are much more likely to grow up to be violent, depressed and to fail in their careers. But people would rather hit children than bother to check the facts. If someone bullied an adult like that, we would put them in jail. To do it to a child is even worse.
Glittma 3 years ago
i was spanked and i am just fine my cousins was spanked and they just fine 2 and my friends wasn spanked they they grad from college and none of use has been in jail... so what do u have to say about use that sooner or later were goin to jail
jaws5204 3 years ago
I've actually found it to be just the opposite. Everyone I know, from my grandparents on down to my generation and my friends, were spanked as children and 95 PERCENT of us are not criminals, have not failed in our careers, are not depressed. Yeah, sure, there's that other 5%, but it didn't come from being spanked. Now, on the other hand, the kids I know who were not spanked? Hmmm...They're the ones who ended up giving their parents the most problems.
rickyfan3956 2 years ago
@Glittma
Agreed:(
Spanking is not the right way:(
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
NO. Only perverts and sadists get into spanking children.
ThumperBunny43 3 years ago 5
@ThumperBunny43 I second that. My dad spanked me and he's a sadistic psychological bully. The only thing you achieve by striking (spanking) your children is by reinforcing the idea that some form of violence is the only solution to handling a stressful situation. It's so obvious. Thumbs up to you.
kewldevice 10 months ago
The one's who whack ARE whacked!!!
elainenz 3 years ago
Spanking is merely one of the many forms of child abuse.
marlivil 3 years ago
OH SHUT UP.
marifesto 3 years ago
I WOULD NEVER SPANK MY CHILDREN!!!
OpalEl 4 years ago 2
@OpalEl
I LOVE YOU♥
I'd NEVER do it!!!
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
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Would I spank my kids? hell yeah little brats better behave or ill punch em in the face. dirty little greasy squealing worthless sacks need a kick or two
FoolYourself 4 years ago
Get fixed. :P
idioticlisa 4 years ago
Are you serious? I believe that's called abuse. Spanking on the rear isn't, but punching and kicking is.
LupitaNicol 4 years ago
Yea, my kids are getting their ass busted if they throw tantrums, cuss at me, etc... Time out just doesnt work for everything. There is a difference between abuse and discipline. I was whooped growing up, and at the time, i didnt like it but now that im older, i openly admit that if they didnt, i would be out of control. like I said, there is a difference between disciplining you child and abusing them, if you cant grasp that your an idiot and dont need to have children.
injectedxoxo 4 years ago
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@injectedxoxo "like I said, there is a difference between disciplining you child and abusing them, if you cant grasp that your an idiot and don't need to have children."
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KPACHNbIBLOOD 1 year ago
time outs are more effective? Bullshit.
h11rockets 4 years ago 2
and now that we have kids we can't help but spanked them in certain times when they really go out of boundaries but it is a must i think for parents to explain to their child why they have been spanked. and parents too must be consistent if they said NO on something the next time the child does that it remains a NO. don't confuse your child.
MYtantrums 4 years ago 2
u can really answer that question if u already have children. u have less the right to say that spanking is not an option cause you haven't got the kids that needs discipline. when me n my husband first had a kid we promised to each other that we would never ever spanked them because for once in our life we experienced being spanked but we did not experienced being physically ill or got rebellious in any way.
MYtantrums 4 years ago
I was spanked as a child and it instilled discipline that I use today as a college student in nursing. I plan to spank my child, but with more positive reinforcement.
rfarm004 4 years ago
i remember it seems every time i was spanked. my mom used a slipper, her belt or her hand. if i hit her back she would hit me back harder. this was for bad grades and trouble at school, which i remember a lot of.
morikahjo 4 years ago 6
@morikahjo
I think thats sad:(
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
For those that think just a time out or reasoning with the kid is better than spanking, you'd change your mind if you met one of my friend's kids. He doesn't listen to anyone, does what he wants. They tried the supper nanny time out step. It worked for about a week. After that there was nothing they could do to keep him on the step. Or from screaming out. He doesn't listen to reason either. His mother gets right frustrated. She doesn't spank. That kid needs a swat!
Swidhelm 5 years ago
I know what you mean. I've come into contact with a lot of those. For some kids spanking is all that will get through to them.
LupitaNicol 4 years ago
For a child to properly learn and avoid bad behaviour, the parent need to explain to the child why they are getting punished. Using force as a form of discipline is not acceptable. At least not for me. However, I do believe that if a child did something serious, like running into traffic, they should get spanked. It gives them a lasting impression, and they would learn not do to such a dangerous thing. In all other situations I would use time-out.
Sokkedyret 5 years ago
This is a very interesting clip. Northviewcc, was this used as part of a sermon? What was the congregational response? Were the leadership presenting this advocating a particular method of discipline (for or against spanking)? If so, what was their advice?
imetta 5 years ago
Rezlenski, I couldn't agree with you more. It disgusts me that people think the word "spanking" is somehow different than "hitting". I hear so often "Oh, it's just a 'spat', just a 'tap'." No. It's abuse in every form. I pray people begin to understand more the terror and humiliation of so-called "spankings". Perhaps if they suffered through them too... I was lucky in that I was rarely hit, but the few times I was it made me physically ill.
Randi7404 5 years ago
As someone who has grown up around childcare; I have found that the most well-behaved individuals had been spanked. This isn't a long rump-whipping, it was one quick swat on the bottom and telling the child what he/she had done was wrong. And frankly what's better, a touch of humiliation when your younger, or people saying you were spoiled rotten when you're older?
basilmemories 5 years ago
I've also grown up around child-care, an spent a good deal of my teen and now early adult years working with kids. My observation was that the kids who acted out were the ones who were spanked; and the more severe their parents were, the more they acted out (some even tended to be very jumpy.)
idioticlisa 4 years ago
I've worked with kids for the past 8 years, and my observations were that the kids who acted out the most were the ones who were spanked (and usually frequently.) The more severe their parents were, the more the kids acted out. The best behaved (and also the smarter kids) were the ones who were either spanked FAR less or never hit at all- but they were also the ones with a LOT of positive reinforcement. Not spanking won't just do it; you have to actually take time to TALK with your kids.
idioticlisa 4 years ago
Eee, Youtube is being screwy with comments. Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that, based on my observations (and personal experiences), spanking is ineffective. This is why it tends to escalate in severity; well-meaning people go from one swat, to a few, to hitting bare skin and finally to using implements- and the kid STILL acts out. I wonder why. 9_9
idioticlisa 4 years ago
And also just using positive reinforcement is innefective. They get praised all the time? And never punished more then a "time out"? then they get into real life and expect to get away with anything. re: Paris Hilton
basilmemories 4 years ago
What the heck has Paris Hilton got to do with anything? And what's wrong with building a child's self-esteem?
idioticlisa 4 years ago
There's a right way to spank and a wrong way. Swatting a kid one time just makes him mad. My parents always removed me from the situation, spanked me until I cried (hence breaking my will), and explained before and after why I was getting spanked. They would make me sit on their lap until I stopped crying and then maked me hug them. Because of this, I not only learned to obey the FIRST time I was told, I developed respect and love for my parents.
LupitaNicol 4 years ago
sorry. made, not maked :)
LupitaNicol 4 years ago
physically ill? exactly how hard did you parents hit you... jeeze
japronauts 5 years ago
you rack disciprine
h11rockets 4 years ago
spanking is hitting there are no different kinds of hittting because is still hitting.
cuchulain55 4 years ago
Well said, Cu. *hums the song If Everyone Cared*
idioticlisa 4 years ago
@cuchulain55
Thats right and it makes me sick that so many would do that to Their Childs:(
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
@Littleboazfly
I think its sad too :(
Nobody wants to spank their kids. Its just something people grit through because they love their kids that much. In my culture this is one of the ways people discipline their kids. To each their own right. Totally respect your opinion
Much love =* =)
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie
Aww much Love too :*:*
I respect your Opinion too!!!
its just nothing for me!!!
Hugs<3
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
@Littleboazfly
I like you...why can't everyone on here be like you. You are frakin awesome!
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@Randi7404
I Understand You Randy:( I would never to that to my Childs:(. . .I Suffered al lot!!!
Littleboazfly 1 year ago
Check out Spanker5's clip choices. He clearly is a spanking fetishist who gets his sexual kicks from hitting children. No wonder he thing there is "nothing wrong with putting a child over your knee for a good old fashioned spanking."
rezlenski 5 years ago
That makes me sick. :/
idioticlisa 4 years ago
There are always better ways spanker.. and less people spanking their kids is not the only reason for the kids being "out of control" these days.
JohnSmiller 5 years ago
there is nothing wrong with putting a child over your knee for a good old fashioned spanking the kids these days need it badly time outs and grounding or sending a kid to his or her room is lame discipline
spanker5 5 years ago
I hope the children of the parents who spank their children use the same technique when the parents are elderly and the parents aren't living up to their child's particular standard. It would serve them right.
rezlenski 5 years ago 2
I don't HOPE that, but I do see the irony.
idioticlisa 4 years ago 2
This was made for a church. The message spoke on discipline.
northviewcc 5 years ago
what was this made for? lol
wwejunkie2006 5 years ago