Hillary & Bill Clinton are collecting Pinocchios ('>')like bad actors at the Razzies. They lie, plant questions, sling mud & shed crocodile tears; like this razzie-winning performance Hillary pulled in New Hampshire. Morons like Carville gave Clinton the kind of advice that sent him chasing the skirts of fat birds, while Hillary was "under sniper attack" in Bosnia! Carville is an ill-bred oddball, like racist freak Ferraro. America is tired of being messed by the Bush/Clinton/Bush dynasties
grazzellian- you're right about Carville of course,still....I can't help but think that if I was in a down and dirty fight (like every time we go up against republicans) I'd want a wild eyed bastard like him on my side.Eyes bugged out, head snapping back and forth.....:-)
What is Carville caviling about! Just a bald lizard who takes delight in listening to his own vituperations. Then in rides freak Ferarro, a groveling Clinton gutter guerilla! This fossilized crocodile, bitter bitch & failed political garbage, wants to ride on the coattails of the Clintons back to national prominence. Liar Hilary is clueless about the economy, national security & health. What did she forget at the Whitehouse that she's going back for? She regurgitates Bill's ridiculous policies.
...is she telling the truth or is she lying? we don't know when she speaks the truth or when she lies? if her lips are moving (and they NEVER stop, does she breath?) she's a lying....
Michigan and Florida were told that their votes wouldn't count if they moved up their primaries, they did it anyway. Hillary didn't have a problem with it then,(Oh, but she was ahead then...) Now that she's behind, suddenly she cares. Sad......
To zeiters20, Opinion polls son, opinion polls....Hillary figured she had the nomination sewed up, so who cared if Michigan and Florida didn't count, for she was The Chosen One(cue the trumpets) And, like I said, now that she's in trouble (as in:going to lose) SHE CARES.Almost as sad as someone who can't make an argument without calling names and telling someone who holds a different opinion to eat a piece of shit. Obama is going to be our next President. Deal with it. Have a nice day ;-)
Carl Rove in a pants suit.The only chance Billary has is to damage Obama's reputation, and then steal the nomination with the super delegates.Otherwise known as NO CHANCE.The biggest test of character is how you react when your down. When Obama was 20 or #0 points down, he stayed positive, on message,and respectful.Which he continues to do now.Hillary whines,cries,smears,and bashes, Which she continues to do now. the choice is crystal clear. OBAMA!!!!!!!
Voted against withdrawal of the troops, 20 years with Rev. Wright, Voted for Energy bill to give money to oil companies, against a credit card bill which sets a limit for loans, and LEFT MILLIONS OF VOTES UNHEARD.
I find it very interesting that a comment on here that rejects racist comments gets a thumbs down. It illustrates what kind of supporters Hillary have. I wonder who wrote this speech for her...
1 John 4:20-21 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. Whoever loves God must also love his brother. /"The sheep followed along, obedient, as all sheep are wont to do. Even when it was thrown to the ground, it didn't struggle. It was only when the knife began to cut its throat that the fighting began. But by then it was too late. The end had come."
Since Edwards was still in the race when Florida "voted" I'm wondering if he, too, followed the rules like Obama did and it was only hillary that was a calculating sleaze that cheated.
Obama ran ads in Florida, while the other candidates did not campaign in either Florida or Michigan. Unlike Obama, most Democrats don't lie, and construct their candidacies on a house of cards. The pieces of shit that support Obama are going to have to answer to reality very soon-whether it be through Obama's failure as a general election candidate, or Hillary's success in rightfully winning the nomination.
fuck you sell out. Everyone can see who is crooked and who isnt. The clintons did enough damage to the country and the party during the ninties. Its time to move on as they say. No more slime and sleaze and dirty deals in the WH.
who cares if michigan or florida can vote? it's all about the superdelegates baby. just ask al gore @ florida 2000 (electoral votes) :)
what a sick democracy you guys have. the popular vote doesn't count for nothing. and you still try to teach what democracy is to the rest of the world. sigh.
I'm sorry if it gave you that impression but the truth is that most people in the rest of the world have that same impression from Americans (obnoxious) when you start to preach that you're some kind of guardian of freedom and democracy, when every western democracy has it's flaws and imperfections.
Oh and please, democrats, stop bashing one another. If you actually let bush get re-elected again (mccain), I'll lose all the faith I have for you guys. peace!
By the way, check the history books. Without African-American's, the Clintons would've never got into office in '92 or '96. Ask Hillary where she would be without AA's. Oops, we see where in this election - Loserville. :-)
Yup that's because the Clintons support rights for all disenfranchised in Washington. Unlike Barack Obama, the Clintons are not race-centric or ethno-centric. They don't make policy decisions based on what race is going to be affected, or who need affirmative action. Hillary will do what is best for this country, and not what will give Jeremiah Wright a louder microphone.
You might wanna let Hillary know that she's not race-centric or ethno-centric. She seems to be more concerned about Barack's ethnicity than he is. She's the one who has mentioned him being a black man more than he has. And let's not talk about how many times she says she'd be the first woman president...
I haven't heard Hillary declare Barack's race or ethnicity or her sex as a reason people should vote EVER. That's a myth perpetuated by Obamalll-shit propaganda machine. You keep on flapping your mouth, and unfortunately these lies are indeed the reason Obama is winning.
Hillary, you've defended every American's right to vote? Well, how come African-Americans are the only group of America citizens whose rights to vote are renewable? Why don't you come up with a bill to change that since you care so much about every American's right to vote?
Despite Hillary's belief that every individual should be able to vote, I wouldn't mind if African Americans were stripped of their citizenship altogether. It looks like they want to go back to Africa anyway. Oh well, too bad Hillary Clinton is so compassionate.
"go back to Africa"? You wouldn't mind African Americans being stripped of their citizenship altogether? Keep up the good work representing "compassionate" Hillary so well.
How come Obama lied about what Bill Clinton said in New Hampshire and South Carolina? Or what Geraldine Ferraro said to a reporter in a private event? Why did Obama tell America he means to transcend race when he attended a racist church for 20 years? Why did Obama say he wants to unify America when he considers his the "typical white person" a racist? You Obama supporters are so backed up with contradictions its like a constipated elephant. Take some laxatives jdfodio and shut the fuck up.
Darling, open up a newspaper or type in "Bill Clinton", "South Carolina", or "Geraldine Ferraro" in the search field right here on Youtube and you will hear their comments directly from their racist mouths. Obama doesn't have to lie about the Clintons and Friends to make them look back. They do that all on their own.
To make them look back? Look back at what? That doesn't even make sense. Nothing about what Bill Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro have said in the course of this campaign has been racist. Honesty and racism are different-as are racism and untruths-as Obama declared in his own speech over this past week. You should really look into the reality before you start calling people racist. Obama represents some of the most racist constituencies in the country.
You pathetic Obama supporters will always attack Hillary's appearance first. Of course its common knowledge that you're primary concern is the superficial. Hence the slogan "Yes we can (elect a black man)" and "change (from white to black)"-Obama's stupid policies, and misguided political technique spell disaster for this country.
With that flat monotone voice and reading words someone else wrote every three seconds, she sure sounds like she means what she's saying. I love the weak applause from your supporters. Even they aren't convinced. lol
Obama was up all night with Jeremiah Wright disscussing ways to blame white people for the recent string of natural disasters. Obama's next speech is 'THHAAA WHITE DEVIL KILLED MILLIONS O BLACK FOLK BY CREATIN HURRICANSS AND GAAAWDS FURAI WILL SUCK THEm INNTA OBLIVIONN" He's also going to blame slavery on Barbara Streisand, and the Rwandan Genocide on Gloria Steinem.
Hillary is nothing more than disingenuous, petty and mean spirited. I'm done with her and I supported both she and Bill until two months ago when they started the bullying and going negative. Damn, I guess the Repubes were right about her and that's what irks me!
Obama supporters want to disenfranchise voters. Just like the corrupt the caucusing process, they want to corrupt the ultimate delegation, by stripping the Super Delegates of their rights, and racialising the campaign. Don't ever listen to an Obama supporter.
If we want a candidate to represent the people, we should just go with Hillary Clinton. Whether or not Florida and Michigan are counted is practically irrelevent at this point, when the competition has demonstrated its capacity to lye and suppress the Democratic process to a profound degree. Barack Obama should probably never hold office again, let alone the Presidency.
Once you start messing with the accepted Election Rules after the fact, the trouble and controversy is just beginning. It isn't as though both states were not completely aware of the repercussions yet they went straight ahead with it.
You simply CANNOT re-do what has been done in America when you think it will suit your own needs. Play by the damned rules people.
I don't know what planet you're from, but here on earth conducting election with all parties concerned is a standard practice. Hillary Clinton will represent Florida and Michigan, while Obama-clearly-will not. Frankly, voters should be concerning themselves with whether or not he'll represent anyone but the black vote at this point.
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
It would not have been appropriate to stand up against the National Party at that time. Obama didn't either, and you're full aware of that. You'd like to lie and make this about Hillary though. Nobody wants Obama's poor judgment on racism inflicting the country's people. How dare you spread your propaganda at the expense of voters' rights.
The primary process is inherently unDemocratic in the way it staggers states-Florida and Michigan are two crucial states-however no one could have anticipated the power of Obama's propaganda among voters. If Hillary had cinched the Democratic nomination by Super Tuesday, or taken an overwhelming lead, she could have made reorganizing the voting process a priority without making the party vulnerable. Obama meanwhile doesn't care-he's irresponsible, and corrupt by a lack of accountability.
We cant know if she would've supported a reforming of the rules if she were ahead. What we do know is that she's supporting voters' rights and Obama isn't. Your assumptions about Hillary Clinton's character are tasteless and typical of a zombified nazi Obama supporter.
OK, maybe Hillary is a bitch and all that, BUT it is really coming to my mind that Obama is a great speaker yet I haven't seen him act yet. Like all I hear from him are speeches and he hasn't mention any action taken by him during this race.
crazyforv, as for Obama's actions (and achievements), I think his successful campaign management, his ability to unite and his achievements on ethics reform (e.g. Coburn-Obama Transparency bill) stand out the most. The lack of accountability and transparency is the source of disenfranchisement of the people and of waste and corruption in the trillions of dollars (e.g. cbsnews . com / stories / 2002 / 01 / 29 / eveningnews / main325985 . shtml )
Obama as an uncorrupted newcomer who is passionate about these issues is the best man to bring about change. Also he DID act in 2002 to the best of his abilities when he rallied against the war. The notion that obama is no action is a fallacious argument 1. because it is contrary to the facts, and 2. because action is not an end in itself. You have to also consider judgement, competence, and right intentions. Any action that lacks these 3 is useless.
And even HRC has conceded (after mocking it in the beginning) that speeches and words are important, because change can not be done by the actions of one person, it needs to come from the people. As Obama put it (I think it was him) change needs to come "from the bottom up". If you cannot inspire the people, with the right words and wisdom, then you're bound to fail. Same goes for any negotiation and other competencies that a President needs. It's the quality of a leader.
Read more on how the HRC campaign's ridiculous negotiation strategy botched her chances for a revote in Florida and Michigan. With this uncompromising and egomaniacal performance, she has once again shown her incompetence to lead the country. Just as with health care reform, that woman is a total failure. Note also her hypocrisy about her stance to the public.
nytimes . com / 2008 / 03 / 21 / us / politics / 21cnd-endorse . html
HRC finally was forced to release her White House schedules after pressure from judicial watchdog groups and journalists under the Freedom of Information Act. See how her lies and preposterous claims about her experience and her policy stances find contradiction in the facts. Bill Clinton basically fired her from an influential role after her health care debacle. Why should we rehire her?
washingtonpost . com / wp-dyn / content / article / 2008 / 03 / 19 / AR2008031901317 . html
JEWISH AMERICANS have formed an impressive array of organizations to
INFLUENCE AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY, of which AIPAC is the MOST POWERFUL and
well known. In 1997, Fortune magazine asked members of CONGRESS and their staffs to list the most powerful lobbies in Washington. AIPAC was RANKED SECOND behind the American Association of Retired People (AARP), but ahead of heavyweight lobbies like the AFL.CIO and the National Rifle Association. HARVARD Study: The ISRAEL Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
but she's even more dangerous than she is boring: she will kill the Democratic Party sooner than she'll give up the nomination. And then, what? Another fool Republican and 100 years in Iraq[!!!]
lol what a dumb woman when she was up and winning in polls she didnt care about fla are mich now since she down she want them to count lol she never seems to amaze me suggesting hillary clinton step down oh when yo time is up again in new york in the senate u know u aint gettin that seat again bye bye beyotch
You Obama maniacs, don't even listen to what Hillary is saying, before you criticize her. She said that she is for a new election to take place in Michigan & Florida. She wants the people from EVERY state to be heard!!, not just the states that favor Obama. It SHOULD be the will of the PEOPLE!! NOT the will of JUST Obama supporters!! Bring back democracy, let ALL states be heard and let the PEOPLE decide The best man or woman to be the democratic candidate.
Yeah, all that overblown rhetoric doesn't change the fact that the DNC did this with the agreement of all candidates. Obama had nothing to do with "disenfranchising" anyone, and the suggestion of that is dishonest and disgusting. If michigan voters wish to have a re-do they have to pay for it. I've no problem with a re-vote, just don't ask non-michiganders and non-floridians to pay for problems caused by those states. Ironically, if they'd kept the calendar they'd be more relevant.
What a disingenuous, disgusting Skank to even suggest changing the rules after she appears to be losing the race. Do us all a favor Hillary and fall on your sword for the sake of our country.
Believe it or not, your ego isn't the primary concern Americans have after watching the Repubes disassemble the constitution, bankrupt our country and kill our best. Step aside with your selfserving babble and do some GOOD.
Obama supporters appear to be universal in their unamerican and hateful views. Not only do they use derogatory language, but want to suppress the voting rights of two of the biggest states in the country.
I would not rule out voting for McCain over Obama-he's got a record of standing up to the Bush administration, and reaching across the isle-more so than Barack does.
Yeah, and he never met a war he didn't like. He's the poster boy for a tired, disproven, cold war mentality that has bled us dry financially and undermined our moral authority completely. He's not nearly as bad as Bush on most points, but he's a bellicose madman when it comes to foreign conflicts.
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
I think Hillary is a monster, but you have to be amazed at how dirty she's willing to get, spinning this as an issue of willfull disenfranchisement. For her to suggest that the votes in Michigan be counted is unbelievable. Florida is its own case, as Obama was on the ballot. However, in Mi, Obama and many others didn't appear. It must be redone fairly or tossed. This is simply disgusting, because this is all complete obfuscation and plain BULLSHIT. Typical Clinton GARBAGE!
Wow playing dirty politics huh? Don't be so bitter about your messiah's racial shortcomings. We know Hillary Clinton wouldn't attend a racist church but that doesn't mean you have to use sexist language.
None of the language used was sexist. This "response" to my point seems like nothing more than boiler plate crap churned out by Howard Wolfson or worse, a computerized script designed to regurgitate talking points while dodging the meat of the arguement. Obama isn't a messiah, he's just the only person I can choose who hasn't made his career by throwing people under the bus or voting us into illegal foreign wars.
Where have you been?? Hillary has been asking for a re-vote in both Florida & Michigan. This is suppossed to be a Democracy, let the people vote & be heard in ALL States!! The people in these 2 states did not change the date of the vote, the state did, do not silence the will of the people. Do a revote and may the best man or woman win, fair & square. Remember what happened in 2000 when Florida's vote didn't really count, BUSH STOLE the election!! Don't let it happen again.
Calling for a re-vote is one thing, but paying for it is another. Should the DNC pick up the tab? Should the campaigns? Seriously, we're talking about big $ here. If they want re-votes they can pay for them, if they choose not to, the onus is on the states not the candidates. Its a bad situation all around, and my point was that Clinton's spinning this as willfull disenfranchisement is dirty and dishonest. This isn't FL 2000, bad analogy.
This politically motivated bullshit is exactly what i dont want in a president. ALl she cares about is being president. Im just in awe of how obama is reacting to negative press coverage when i compare it to how hillary acted when she received negative press coverage. She whined and cried foul. Obama is attacking the issue and the negative press head on. Hes not whining about it or trying to deflect it.
Sorry for my bad english:-) but want to say that if the votes are count in Michigan since HRC was the unique candidate, this will not mean that she GIVES the voice to the people but it means she TAKES the voice of the people...
Clinton WILL continue to do ANYTHING to get nominated [and then she'll lose the election- lose even to as weak and unimformed a candidate as McCain (who doesn't know the diff btwn Sunni and Shiite, who's willing to stay in Iraq for 100 yrs, but couldn't say how to PAY for this mess.
Clinton WILL continue to harm the Democratic Party
for as long as it takes].
Clinton: let's end all hope for a decent America, one that can be respected overseas.
What's next? Is Obama going to release an ad with his preacher claiming Hillary caused 911? Its pretty funny hearing this criticism from an Obama supporter.
zeiters: How so? What can you point to from Obama that's been less than gracious? less than serious, thoughtful?
BTW, I supported Clinton - literally for about 20 years with my words and my money -until she and her husband fell to their present actions so harmful to the chances for a Democratic victory.
America is SO close to FINISHED now! We CANNOT afford another Republican. Therefore we can't afford what Clinton has done to line us up for that disaster.
If we want the best candidate to win, excluding Florida and Michigan would be insane. I'm a Democrat who's willing to vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination-and especially if he wins it on red states, and believe me, I'm not alone. No real Democrat want a theological goon like Obama running the country.
And IF Obama could carry red states, how could that be anything but wonderfully good
for the Party,
for the nation,
for the world?
This election is critical - perhaps the most important one of our lives: we MUST restore what can be salvaged from the ravages of Cheney/Bush - while we still have anything to save.
All the world needs to know that America repudiates the thuggery of our present "administration".
He believes himself to be some kind of deity. Obama condemned Don Imus for calling a girls basket ball team "nappy headed hoes" last year-and naturally he hasn't held his black preacher to the same standard. Despite all his hypocrisy, Barack Obama still believes somehow that he is an authority on healing racial divides. The truth is Obama is all about talk-its Barack-talk that makes his candidacy, not legitimate credentials.
Obama can't carry red states in the general-I know Obama's cult employs the tactic of conflating such things, but to those of us with brains, its not true.
Obama can't carry red states in the general-I know Obama's cult employs the tactic of conflating such things, but to those of us with brains, its not true.
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
CynicalSavior asked: "Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?"
Because she always takes the expedient, politically least risky position. Just like she didn't oppose Bush on Iraq at the time when she had a chance. Of course, in her short-sighted political calculations, she didn't expect that she might need the FL/MI votes. HRC doesn't care about right or wrong. Her political maneuvers only serve herself! She won't make a difference for anyone but herself.
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
Hillary didn't push to have these states represented because earlier in the year it wasn't clear that the contest couldn't be determined by other states. The real question is why is Obama trying to stall on this process? When Florida is ready to sue the national party for disenfranchisement, and the Democrats' general election viability is on the line-why is Obama stalling the process?
And yet Hillary clearly made the effort to express her gratitude for the votes of Florida and Michigan-appearing in Florida after the contests to hold a rally. Obama simply isn't fit to lead the Democratic party. He's a fraud and a sham.
Oh and-sorry, but criticising your shallow candidate is not hateful-its the sour truth-with every passing week we're getting to the ugly core of Obama's cult of personality-its just isn't pretty. You've been living in a house of cards CynicalSavior.
You're a fucking idiot. When did I say I'm an Obama supporter? Oh and by the way:
"Hillary didn't push to have these states represented because earlier in the year it wasn't clear that the contest couldn't be determined by other states."
Then that proves right there that back then she didn't give a shit about this, "every vote should count, every voice should be heard" bullshit line she's pulling now.
She didn't know she'd need them to win back then, now she tries to change the rules.
America is supposed to be a Democracy. ALL STATES votes SHOULD count. This is reguardless of who would win, or what is agreed on. The PEOPLE of Florida & Michigan want to be heard, they did not ask for a change in their primary date, why should they be punished? Lets not silence 2 states votes no matter what the outcome will be. Hillary is in favor of a re-vote, so if there are so many Obama supporters out there, let them be heard, BUT DON'T ignore 2 states. This is not Democracy.
If we want the best candidate to win, excluding Florida and Michigan would be insane. I'm a Democrat who's willing to vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination-and especially if he wins it on red states, and believe me, I'm not alone. No real Democrat want a theological goon like Obama running the country.
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
Hillary has been calling for Florida's representation sinse South Carolina. She clearly demonstrated that she could outperform Obama in New Hampshire, and South Carolina was unfortunately dictated by a monolithic black vote, but to suggest Hillary only wants Florida represented for political reasons goes to show astounding length Obama supporters will go to distort the truth. We all owe it to ourselves as Americans to call this propaganda for what it is. You need to lay off the crack.
Ppl are suggesting that you're a paid Clinton shill. And the only other possibility mentioned [or, at this point, conceivable], is that you're a troll. Can you be happy with that?
Unfortunatly Obama's dirty tactics justify redos in Florida and Michigan. How funny to see Obama supporters grovel and whine because he gave a racist speech.
she's acting like this is a general election! Fl and Mi will get to vote in the General!!!! WE'RE IN THE PRIMARY!!!! the rules are different - and you agreed to them Senetor Hillary Clinton
What about the rich and priviledged? Is it not a tradition for those people to nullify the vote for the common man? How are we going to make sure that the vote is not buggered again? Answer us that Hills.
She agreed to not count Florida and Michigan's votes because they violated primary rules. Plain and simple. She's going back on it now, which shows that she can't be trusted. If she was a person of her word, she wouldn't be trying to play these mind games.
I believe she meant what she said when she said she just doesn't want to see us go backward and that day has come, she is just going to complete the race gracefully. I was going for her. It's hard to say how things are going to turn out. Things look like they're going to start getting ugly.
"It's clear: This election they're having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot," HRC, October 2007
"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said back in October 2007 during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program. What makes to change her mind and keep laying time and time again?? You guessed it.
This isn't about getting votes? Bullshit. She had this planned from the start, when she campaigned in Florida after agreeing not to. This has all been a ploy -- she has always intended on fighting to have these delegates seated, relying on the fact that she has been fighting for them combined with her misinformation to swing these states heavily towards herself.
When the DNC excluded Michigan and Florida for violating the DNC rules all the candidates agreed with the DNC rules...
Obama said he will be ok with any future decision the DNC makes in the contrary Hillary wants to change the DNC rules that she agreed on back when she was the front runner, she only follows the rules when its on her side
Even if she wins these states (which I doubt) she will still fall behind Obama in both the popular vote and delegate count
Full fair elections with all candidates in on the debates. Leaving out Kucinich was wrong. Both of these candidates have bought their positions today.
If they do a complete revote then they should bring back everyone.. including Kucinich (and others who had to drop out due to funding and cheap tactics) and let him have equal time to debate in front of the American public. Only then will it a true and fair vote.
so Obama rocks the house with a barn burner, and then we get this tepid politically-motivated bullshit from hillary today? puh-lease. michigan passed, way to return to the politics of yesterday.
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as a WOMAN myself,it is so nice to finally see a intelligent woman wit the experience and strength to take on the roll as President of the United States of America
I think it is great to have a woman running for the highest public office there is, unfortunately i just dont think she is the right candidate, while i cant name another female who would be better i just feel Hillary isnt the right choice.
HRC has no relevant experience. As First Lady she was not privvy to daily intelligence briefings or National Security Council meetings. David Trimble dismissed her claims that she was a principal player in the Northern Ireland negotiations as she claims. HRC failed the one task assigned to her, i.e. Health Care Reform. So in short, she is a failure. She is a corrupt and incompetent relic from the past and it's time to give someone else a shot.
The real hot potato is who is going to pay for all this? Everyone would like to have a full on, from the ground up primary revote, but it's a big bill and no one wants it. Also, there are important moral differences, such as the fact that it was the Reps who moved FL and the Dems that moved MI. It may be more fair for the DNC to punish MI than FL for this reason, but no one wants to say that. Really though, I'm mad that this was not solved earlier. This is classic Dem self-immolation.
cheap clinton tactics leaving her name on the ballots.....she knew this might happen and didnt do what she was supposed to do and agreed to do which was take her name off because they all agreed the 2 states were holding primaries too early....she doesnt honor her word.....lets end the clinton era pleeeeeeease
To a certain degree i could certainly understand why you would think Obama is putting ambition ahead of public service. On the other hand i simply cant see how hes power hungry or has clouded judgement in any way shape of form, his campaign decisions are testament to this.
if she was winning this will not be a issue FUCK YOU HILLARY i cant write this on her site cuz SHE delete comments wut a shame SUCK A DICK HILLARY !!!
The 'Hillary' wants a vote as long as she has rules that advantage her. Obama's people says he will consider approving the Michigan gambit as soon as an actual bill is drawn up so he can make sure the 'Hillarys' haven't fixed it for her favor.
Obama doesn't want to support the vote at all unless its a caucus. He's twisted the definition of fairness into the surreal stratosphere of "change" and "unity"
When the DNC excluded Michigan and Florida for violating the DNC rules all the candidates agreed with the DNC rules...
Obama said he will be ok with any future decision the DNC makes in the contrary Hillary wants to change the DNC rules that she agreed on back when she was the front runner...
yes, counting the delegates from the Jan primaries would be "changing the rules". However, holding NEW primaries would NOT be changing the rules.
To not let two of the largest states in the union have a say in this historic election is just absurd and would cast a shadow of whoever wins the nomination.
In the Florida case it was a REPUPLICAN governor that made the primary go before the "window", despite protests from the Democrats - and Democrats should be punished for that?
John McCain will have a lot ammunition against Hillary Clinton. Don't let the Republicans win because of her senseless ambition.
See for yourself!
Search for "hillary_the_movie.avi" on Google Video
lifechico 3 years ago
Hillary & Bill Clinton are collecting Pinocchios ('>')like bad actors at the Razzies. They lie, plant questions, sling mud & shed crocodile tears; like this razzie-winning performance Hillary pulled in New Hampshire. Morons like Carville gave Clinton the kind of advice that sent him chasing the skirts of fat birds, while Hillary was "under sniper attack" in Bosnia! Carville is an ill-bred oddball, like racist freak Ferraro. America is tired of being messed by the Bush/Clinton/Bush dynasties
grazzellian 3 years ago
grazzellian- you're right about Carville of course,still....I can't help but think that if I was in a down and dirty fight (like every time we go up against republicans) I'd want a wild eyed bastard like him on my side.Eyes bugged out, head snapping back and forth.....:-)
chaplinfan48 3 years ago
What is Carville caviling about! Just a bald lizard who takes delight in listening to his own vituperations. Then in rides freak Ferarro, a groveling Clinton gutter guerilla! This fossilized crocodile, bitter bitch & failed political garbage, wants to ride on the coattails of the Clintons back to national prominence. Liar Hilary is clueless about the economy, national security & health. What did she forget at the Whitehouse that she's going back for? She regurgitates Bill's ridiculous policies.
grazzellian 3 years ago
...is she telling the truth or is she lying? we don't know when she speaks the truth or when she lies? if her lips are moving (and they NEVER stop, does she breath?) she's a lying....
concerned00citizen 3 years ago
Michigan and Florida were told that their votes wouldn't count if they moved up their primaries, they did it anyway. Hillary didn't have a problem with it then,(Oh, but she was ahead then...) Now that she's behind, suddenly she cares. Sad......
chaplinfan48 3 years ago 2
None of the states had voted when they made the agreement-Hillary couldn't have possibly calculated that decision. Go eat a piece of shit Obamoron.
zeiters20 3 years ago
To zeiters20, Opinion polls son, opinion polls....Hillary figured she had the nomination sewed up, so who cared if Michigan and Florida didn't count, for she was The Chosen One(cue the trumpets) And, like I said, now that she's in trouble (as in:going to lose) SHE CARES.Almost as sad as someone who can't make an argument without calling names and telling someone who holds a different opinion to eat a piece of shit. Obama is going to be our next President. Deal with it. Have a nice day ;-)
chaplinfan48 3 years ago
Carl Rove in a pants suit.The only chance Billary has is to damage Obama's reputation, and then steal the nomination with the super delegates.Otherwise known as NO CHANCE.The biggest test of character is how you react when your down. When Obama was 20 or #0 points down, he stayed positive, on message,and respectful.Which he continues to do now.Hillary whines,cries,smears,and bashes, Which she continues to do now. the choice is crystal clear. OBAMA!!!!!!!
chaplinfan48 3 years ago
Obama's judgement:
Voted against withdrawal of the troops, 20 years with Rev. Wright, Voted for Energy bill to give money to oil companies, against a credit card bill which sets a limit for loans, and LEFT MILLIONS OF VOTES UNHEARD.
ANYONE BUT OBAMA
barackobamaLIED 3 years ago
Obama's supporters are shithead.
Got a problem? Msg me
barackobamaLIED 3 years ago
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barackobamaLIED 3 years ago
I find it very interesting that a comment on here that rejects racist comments gets a thumbs down. It illustrates what kind of supporters Hillary have. I wonder who wrote this speech for her...
jdfodio 3 years ago 2
BOO!!!
linkinpark3425 3 years ago
She's dull.
catalinaguerrero 3 years ago
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lathegod 3 years ago
Since Edwards was still in the race when Florida "voted" I'm wondering if he, too, followed the rules like Obama did and it was only hillary that was a calculating sleaze that cheated.
mizilus 3 years ago
Obama ran ads in Florida, while the other candidates did not campaign in either Florida or Michigan. Unlike Obama, most Democrats don't lie, and construct their candidacies on a house of cards. The pieces of shit that support Obama are going to have to answer to reality very soon-whether it be through Obama's failure as a general election candidate, or Hillary's success in rightfully winning the nomination.
zeiters20 3 years ago
"zeiters20
The pieces of shit that support Obama "
fuck you sell out. Everyone can see who is crooked and who isnt. The clintons did enough damage to the country and the party during the ninties. Its time to move on as they say. No more slime and sleaze and dirty deals in the WH.
mizilus 3 years ago
Hahahaha get ready for Clinton-lite mizlius! Dumb asses just eat up Obama's retail politics.
zeiters20 3 years ago
MI and FL vote should count!
cakedoodle 3 years ago
who cares if michigan or florida can vote? it's all about the superdelegates baby. just ask al gore @ florida 2000 (electoral votes) :)
what a sick democracy you guys have. the popular vote doesn't count for nothing. and you still try to teach what democracy is to the rest of the world. sigh.
aheadwithwings 3 years ago
This is an obnoxious comment but there's some truth in it.
jdfodio 3 years ago
I'm sorry if it gave you that impression but the truth is that most people in the rest of the world have that same impression from Americans (obnoxious) when you start to preach that you're some kind of guardian of freedom and democracy, when every western democracy has it's flaws and imperfections.
Oh and please, democrats, stop bashing one another. If you actually let bush get re-elected again (mccain), I'll lose all the faith I have for you guys. peace!
aheadwithwings 3 years ago
By the way, check the history books. Without African-American's, the Clintons would've never got into office in '92 or '96. Ask Hillary where she would be without AA's. Oops, we see where in this election - Loserville. :-)
Racists for Hillary '08!
jdfodio 3 years ago
Yup that's because the Clintons support rights for all disenfranchised in Washington. Unlike Barack Obama, the Clintons are not race-centric or ethno-centric. They don't make policy decisions based on what race is going to be affected, or who need affirmative action. Hillary will do what is best for this country, and not what will give Jeremiah Wright a louder microphone.
zeiters20 3 years ago
You might wanna let Hillary know that she's not race-centric or ethno-centric. She seems to be more concerned about Barack's ethnicity than he is. She's the one who has mentioned him being a black man more than he has. And let's not talk about how many times she says she'd be the first woman president...
jdfodio 3 years ago
I haven't heard Hillary declare Barack's race or ethnicity or her sex as a reason people should vote EVER. That's a myth perpetuated by Obamalll-shit propaganda machine. You keep on flapping your mouth, and unfortunately these lies are indeed the reason Obama is winning.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Hillary, you've defended every American's right to vote? Well, how come African-Americans are the only group of America citizens whose rights to vote are renewable? Why don't you come up with a bill to change that since you care so much about every American's right to vote?
jdfodio 3 years ago
Despite Hillary's belief that every individual should be able to vote, I wouldn't mind if African Americans were stripped of their citizenship altogether. It looks like they want to go back to Africa anyway. Oh well, too bad Hillary Clinton is so compassionate.
ds343 3 years ago
"go back to Africa"? You wouldn't mind African Americans being stripped of their citizenship altogether? Keep up the good work representing "compassionate" Hillary so well.
jdfodio 3 years ago 2
How come Obama lied about what Bill Clinton said in New Hampshire and South Carolina? Or what Geraldine Ferraro said to a reporter in a private event? Why did Obama tell America he means to transcend race when he attended a racist church for 20 years? Why did Obama say he wants to unify America when he considers his the "typical white person" a racist? You Obama supporters are so backed up with contradictions its like a constipated elephant. Take some laxatives jdfodio and shut the fuck up.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Darling, open up a newspaper or type in "Bill Clinton", "South Carolina", or "Geraldine Ferraro" in the search field right here on Youtube and you will hear their comments directly from their racist mouths. Obama doesn't have to lie about the Clintons and Friends to make them look back. They do that all on their own.
jdfodio 3 years ago
To make them look back? Look back at what? That doesn't even make sense. Nothing about what Bill Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro have said in the course of this campaign has been racist. Honesty and racism are different-as are racism and untruths-as Obama declared in his own speech over this past week. You should really look into the reality before you start calling people racist. Obama represents some of the most racist constituencies in the country.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Swollen eyes, flat hair, fugly bumblebeesuit: Hillary looks like she's finally realized she's losing.
Is this supposed to be her answer to Barack's speech last Tuesday? She should fire whomever writes her speeches.
jdfodio 3 years ago
You pathetic Obama supporters will always attack Hillary's appearance first. Of course its common knowledge that you're primary concern is the superficial. Hence the slogan "Yes we can (elect a black man)" and "change (from white to black)"-Obama's stupid policies, and misguided political technique spell disaster for this country.
zeiters20 3 years ago
You are a typical Hillary supporter. That's why she's losing. :-)
jdfodio 3 years ago
Right on.
linkinpark3425 3 years ago
LOL!
jdfodio 3 years ago
With that flat monotone voice and reading words someone else wrote every three seconds, she sure sounds like she means what she's saying. I love the weak applause from your supporters. Even they aren't convinced. lol
jdfodio 3 years ago
Don't ever listen to an Obama supporter. They're full of lies, and make nazis look kind of sensible.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Obama was up all night with Jeremiah Wright disscussing ways to blame white people for the recent string of natural disasters. Obama's next speech is 'THHAAA WHITE DEVIL KILLED MILLIONS O BLACK FOLK BY CREATIN HURRICANSS AND GAAAWDS FURAI WILL SUCK THEm INNTA OBLIVIONN" He's also going to blame slavery on Barbara Streisand, and the Rwandan Genocide on Gloria Steinem.
zeiters20 3 years ago
thank you for that very amusing comment.
i just died of laughter tyvm
eminemzz 3 years ago
Hillary is nothing more than disingenuous, petty and mean spirited. I'm done with her and I supported both she and Bill until two months ago when they started the bullying and going negative. Damn, I guess the Repubes were right about her and that's what irks me!
shaire99 3 years ago
Obama supporters want to disenfranchise voters. Just like the corrupt the caucusing process, they want to corrupt the ultimate delegation, by stripping the Super Delegates of their rights, and racialising the campaign. Don't ever listen to an Obama supporter.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Hillary looks tired. She should get some sleep.
pfannyguy 3 years ago
If we want a candidate to represent the people, we should just go with Hillary Clinton. Whether or not Florida and Michigan are counted is practically irrelevent at this point, when the competition has demonstrated its capacity to lye and suppress the Democratic process to a profound degree. Barack Obama should probably never hold office again, let alone the Presidency.
zeiters20 3 years ago
OBVIOUS TROLL.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
Haha Obama supporters on YouTube are like cockroaches.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Once you start messing with the accepted Election Rules after the fact, the trouble and controversy is just beginning. It isn't as though both states were not completely aware of the repercussions yet they went straight ahead with it.
You simply CANNOT re-do what has been done in America when you think it will suit your own needs. Play by the damned rules people.
shaire99 3 years ago 2
I don't know what planet you're from, but here on earth conducting election with all parties concerned is a standard practice. Hillary Clinton will represent Florida and Michigan, while Obama-clearly-will not. Frankly, voters should be concerning themselves with whether or not he'll represent anyone but the black vote at this point.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
It would not have been appropriate to stand up against the National Party at that time. Obama didn't either, and you're full aware of that. You'd like to lie and make this about Hillary though. Nobody wants Obama's poor judgment on racism inflicting the country's people. How dare you spread your propaganda at the expense of voters' rights.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Again, since I'm calling bullshit on Clinton that automatically makes me an Obama supporter?
You're a fucking troll. An obvious troll.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
WHY wouldn't it have been appropriate to stand up for "voters rights" at that time?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
The primary process is inherently unDemocratic in the way it staggers states-Florida and Michigan are two crucial states-however no one could have anticipated the power of Obama's propaganda among voters. If Hillary had cinched the Democratic nomination by Super Tuesday, or taken an overwhelming lead, she could have made reorganizing the voting process a priority without making the party vulnerable. Obama meanwhile doesn't care-he's irresponsible, and corrupt by a lack of accountability.
zeiters20 3 years ago
So again, what you're saying is that since she thought she would have won on super Tuesday, she didn't care about Michigan or Florida.
However, now that she's behind all of a sudden she's outraged? Give me a break. How much are you getting paid to spread this shit?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago 2
We cant know if she would've supported a reforming of the rules if she were ahead. What we do know is that she's supporting voters' rights and Obama isn't. Your assumptions about Hillary Clinton's character are tasteless and typical of a zombified nazi Obama supporter.
zeiters20 3 years ago
I'm not an Obama supporter you shit sucking troll.
Take your assumptions and blow them out your ass.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
You should consider supporting Obama-based on your language and displayed character you'd fit right in.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Not an Obama supporter? Looks like you're an abomination to the Democratic process.
ds343 3 years ago
OK, maybe Hillary is a bitch and all that, BUT it is really coming to my mind that Obama is a great speaker yet I haven't seen him act yet. Like all I hear from him are speeches and he hasn't mention any action taken by him during this race.
crazyforvideosdx 3 years ago
crazyforv, as for Obama's actions (and achievements), I think his successful campaign management, his ability to unite and his achievements on ethics reform (e.g. Coburn-Obama Transparency bill) stand out the most. The lack of accountability and transparency is the source of disenfranchisement of the people and of waste and corruption in the trillions of dollars (e.g. cbsnews . com / stories / 2002 / 01 / 29 / eveningnews / main325985 . shtml )
vertigate 3 years ago
Obama as an uncorrupted newcomer who is passionate about these issues is the best man to bring about change. Also he DID act in 2002 to the best of his abilities when he rallied against the war. The notion that obama is no action is a fallacious argument 1. because it is contrary to the facts, and 2. because action is not an end in itself. You have to also consider judgement, competence, and right intentions. Any action that lacks these 3 is useless.
vertigate 3 years ago
And even HRC has conceded (after mocking it in the beginning) that speeches and words are important, because change can not be done by the actions of one person, it needs to come from the people. As Obama put it (I think it was him) change needs to come "from the bottom up". If you cannot inspire the people, with the right words and wisdom, then you're bound to fail. Same goes for any negotiation and other competencies that a President needs. It's the quality of a leader.
vertigate 3 years ago 2
Then you haven't watched shit. In every one of his speeches he's outlined his plans and talked about things he's done while he's served.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
Latest news items: 1. Revotes have been called off. 2. Richardson to endorse Obama.
In case anyone didn't know yet.
Soon we'll be spared more croaky voiced, hypocritical HRC talk. President Obama for the win.
Oh Hillary, quit nodding and staring. You're not fooling anyone. Geesshhh. How stupid you think we are anyway.
vertigate 3 years ago
nysun . com / article / 73428
Read more on how the HRC campaign's ridiculous negotiation strategy botched her chances for a revote in Florida and Michigan. With this uncompromising and egomaniacal performance, she has once again shown her incompetence to lead the country. Just as with health care reform, that woman is a total failure. Note also her hypocrisy about her stance to the public.
nytimes . com / 2008 / 03 / 21 / us / politics / 21cnd-endorse . html
Richardson endorses Obama.
vertigate 3 years ago
HRC finally was forced to release her White House schedules after pressure from judicial watchdog groups and journalists under the Freedom of Information Act. See how her lies and preposterous claims about her experience and her policy stances find contradiction in the facts. Bill Clinton basically fired her from an influential role after her health care debacle. Why should we rehire her?
washingtonpost . com / wp-dyn / content / article / 2008 / 03 / 19 / AR2008031901317 . html
vertigate 3 years ago
Do not respond to
zeiters20.
He's a troll. Account is less than two weeks old and everything on it is about Clinton. He's a paid shill or a fucking nut case.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago 2
CynicalSavior: I'm thinking you may be right. Hard to understand so much hatred
unless it's either paid for
or
he's trolling.
Sad.
barb99999 3 years ago
She had a completely different story before she started falling behind Obama. Such a phony bitch.
By the way Hillary, why don't you drop out and give it to Obama for affirmative action?
darthpiplup 3 years ago
JEWISH AMERICANS have formed an impressive array of organizations to
INFLUENCE AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY, of which AIPAC is the MOST POWERFUL and
well known. In 1997, Fortune magazine asked members of CONGRESS and their staffs to list the most powerful lobbies in Washington. AIPAC was RANKED SECOND behind the American Association of Retired People (AARP), but ahead of heavyweight lobbies like the AFL.CIO and the National Rifle Association. HARVARD Study: The ISRAEL Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
USSLIBERTY1 3 years ago
She is the Republican party, what's the Difference?
USSLIBERTY1 3 years ago
She another SHILL, bought and paid for with AIPAC Money.
USSLIBERTY1 3 years ago
she's so boring...
osiris33 3 years ago
osiris33:
yes.
but she's even more dangerous than she is boring: she will kill the Democratic Party sooner than she'll give up the nomination. And then, what? Another fool Republican and 100 years in Iraq[!!!]
while no healthcare for Americans...
Horrible.
barb99999 3 years ago 2
lol what a dumb woman when she was up and winning in polls she didnt care about fla are mich now since she down she want them to count lol she never seems to amaze me suggesting hillary clinton step down oh when yo time is up again in new york in the senate u know u aint gettin that seat again bye bye beyotch
newport5042005 3 years ago
You Obama maniacs, don't even listen to what Hillary is saying, before you criticize her. She said that she is for a new election to take place in Michigan & Florida. She wants the people from EVERY state to be heard!!, not just the states that favor Obama. It SHOULD be the will of the PEOPLE!! NOT the will of JUST Obama supporters!! Bring back democracy, let ALL states be heard and let the PEOPLE decide The best man or woman to be the democratic candidate.
luckyeddie007c 3 years ago
Yeah, all that overblown rhetoric doesn't change the fact that the DNC did this with the agreement of all candidates. Obama had nothing to do with "disenfranchising" anyone, and the suggestion of that is dishonest and disgusting. If michigan voters wish to have a re-do they have to pay for it. I've no problem with a re-vote, just don't ask non-michiganders and non-floridians to pay for problems caused by those states. Ironically, if they'd kept the calendar they'd be more relevant.
moejardines 3 years ago
If that were true then why didn't she stand up and make this speech when both states were told NOT to move their primaries or they wouldn't count?
Why did she agree to it in the beginning and is now opposed to it?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
What a disingenuous, disgusting Skank to even suggest changing the rules after she appears to be losing the race. Do us all a favor Hillary and fall on your sword for the sake of our country.
Believe it or not, your ego isn't the primary concern Americans have after watching the Repubes disassemble the constitution, bankrupt our country and kill our best. Step aside with your selfserving babble and do some GOOD.
shaire99 3 years ago
Obama supporters appear to be universal in their unamerican and hateful views. Not only do they use derogatory language, but want to suppress the voting rights of two of the biggest states in the country.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Are you gonna vote for McCain when the convention picks Obama?
moejardines 3 years ago
I would not rule out voting for McCain over Obama-he's got a record of standing up to the Bush administration, and reaching across the isle-more so than Barack does.
Devin1498 3 years ago
Yeah, and he never met a war he didn't like. He's the poster boy for a tired, disproven, cold war mentality that has bled us dry financially and undermined our moral authority completely. He's not nearly as bad as Bush on most points, but he's a bellicose madman when it comes to foreign conflicts.
moejardines 3 years ago
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
I think Hillary is a monster, but you have to be amazed at how dirty she's willing to get, spinning this as an issue of willfull disenfranchisement. For her to suggest that the votes in Michigan be counted is unbelievable. Florida is its own case, as Obama was on the ballot. However, in Mi, Obama and many others didn't appear. It must be redone fairly or tossed. This is simply disgusting, because this is all complete obfuscation and plain BULLSHIT. Typical Clinton GARBAGE!
moejardines 3 years ago
Wow playing dirty politics huh? Don't be so bitter about your messiah's racial shortcomings. We know Hillary Clinton wouldn't attend a racist church but that doesn't mean you have to use sexist language.
zeiters20 3 years ago
None of the language used was sexist. This "response" to my point seems like nothing more than boiler plate crap churned out by Howard Wolfson or worse, a computerized script designed to regurgitate talking points while dodging the meat of the arguement. Obama isn't a messiah, he's just the only person I can choose who hasn't made his career by throwing people under the bus or voting us into illegal foreign wars.
moejardines 3 years ago
Where have you been?? Hillary has been asking for a re-vote in both Florida & Michigan. This is suppossed to be a Democracy, let the people vote & be heard in ALL States!! The people in these 2 states did not change the date of the vote, the state did, do not silence the will of the people. Do a revote and may the best man or woman win, fair & square. Remember what happened in 2000 when Florida's vote didn't really count, BUSH STOLE the election!! Don't let it happen again.
luckyeddie007c 3 years ago
Calling for a re-vote is one thing, but paying for it is another. Should the DNC pick up the tab? Should the campaigns? Seriously, we're talking about big $ here. If they want re-votes they can pay for them, if they choose not to, the onus is on the states not the candidates. Its a bad situation all around, and my point was that Clinton's spinning this as willfull disenfranchisement is dirty and dishonest. This isn't FL 2000, bad analogy.
moejardines 3 years ago
This politically motivated bullshit is exactly what i dont want in a president. ALl she cares about is being president. Im just in awe of how obama is reacting to negative press coverage when i compare it to how hillary acted when she received negative press coverage. She whined and cried foul. Obama is attacking the issue and the negative press head on. Hes not whining about it or trying to deflect it.
shanebarrow1 3 years ago
Sorry for my bad english:-) but want to say that if the votes are count in Michigan since HRC was the unique candidate, this will not mean that she GIVES the voice to the people but it means she TAKES the voice of the people...
alphonse707 3 years ago
FUCK ALL OF YOU!
HILLERY RULES!
thebigkahoouna 3 years ago
Sigh, what crap. So many votes, voters, and states have been discounted by her campaign and herself.
jeffreymcneill 3 years ago
Scattered Applause! Lukewarm Response!
RecessMonkeys 3 years ago
Bye Bye Billary....your finished!
chuckinla 3 years ago
One can only HOPE she's finished.
Clinton WILL continue to do ANYTHING to get nominated [and then she'll lose the election- lose even to as weak and unimformed a candidate as McCain (who doesn't know the diff btwn Sunni and Shiite, who's willing to stay in Iraq for 100 yrs, but couldn't say how to PAY for this mess.
Clinton WILL continue to harm the Democratic Party
for as long as it takes].
Clinton: let's end all hope for a decent America, one that can be respected overseas.
barb99999 3 years ago
What's next? Is Obama going to release an ad with his preacher claiming Hillary caused 911? Its pretty funny hearing this criticism from an Obama supporter.
zeiters20 3 years ago
zeiters: How so? What can you point to from Obama that's been less than gracious? less than serious, thoughtful?
BTW, I supported Clinton - literally for about 20 years with my words and my money -until she and her husband fell to their present actions so harmful to the chances for a Democratic victory.
America is SO close to FINISHED now! We CANNOT afford another Republican. Therefore we can't afford what Clinton has done to line us up for that disaster.
Let the better candidate win.
barb99999 3 years ago
If we want the best candidate to win, excluding Florida and Michigan would be insane. I'm a Democrat who's willing to vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination-and especially if he wins it on red states, and believe me, I'm not alone. No real Democrat want a theological goon like Obama running the country.
zeiters20 3 years ago
zeiters20: How is Obama "theological"?
And IF Obama could carry red states, how could that be anything but wonderfully good
for the Party,
for the nation,
for the world?
This election is critical - perhaps the most important one of our lives: we MUST restore what can be salvaged from the ravages of Cheney/Bush - while we still have anything to save.
All the world needs to know that America repudiates the thuggery of our present "administration".
Seriously, WHY do you hate Obama?
barb99999 3 years ago
He believes himself to be some kind of deity. Obama condemned Don Imus for calling a girls basket ball team "nappy headed hoes" last year-and naturally he hasn't held his black preacher to the same standard. Despite all his hypocrisy, Barack Obama still believes somehow that he is an authority on healing racial divides. The truth is Obama is all about talk-its Barack-talk that makes his candidacy, not legitimate credentials.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Obama can't carry red states in the general-I know Obama's cult employs the tactic of conflating such things, but to those of us with brains, its not true.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Obama can't carry red states in the general-I know Obama's cult employs the tactic of conflating such things, but to those of us with brains, its not true.
zeiters20 3 years ago
zeiters20,
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
CynicalSavior asked: "Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?"
Because she always takes the expedient, politically least risky position. Just like she didn't oppose Bush on Iraq at the time when she had a chance. Of course, in her short-sighted political calculations, she didn't expect that she might need the FL/MI votes. HRC doesn't care about right or wrong. Her political maneuvers only serve herself! She won't make a difference for anyone but herself.
vertigate 3 years ago
zeiters20,
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
Hillary didn't push to have these states represented because earlier in the year it wasn't clear that the contest couldn't be determined by other states. The real question is why is Obama trying to stall on this process? When Florida is ready to sue the national party for disenfranchisement, and the Democrats' general election viability is on the line-why is Obama stalling the process?
zeiters20 3 years ago
And yet Hillary clearly made the effort to express her gratitude for the votes of Florida and Michigan-appearing in Florida after the contests to hold a rally. Obama simply isn't fit to lead the Democratic party. He's a fraud and a sham.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Oh and-sorry, but criticising your shallow candidate is not hateful-its the sour truth-with every passing week we're getting to the ugly core of Obama's cult of personality-its just isn't pretty. You've been living in a house of cards CynicalSavior.
zeiters20 3 years ago
You're so full of shit. How much do you make as a troll for Clinton?
LOOK AT ZEITERS20 PROFILE
It's only a few days old. OBVIOUS TROLL
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
Obama supporters never cease to amaze me with how quickly they stoop the politics of hate and misrepresentation.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Hard to understand so much hatred
unless it's either paid for
or
you're trolling.
barb99999 3 years ago
You're a fucking idiot. When did I say I'm an Obama supporter? Oh and by the way:
"Hillary didn't push to have these states represented because earlier in the year it wasn't clear that the contest couldn't be determined by other states."
Then that proves right there that back then she didn't give a shit about this, "every vote should count, every voice should be heard" bullshit line she's pulling now.
She didn't know she'd need them to win back then, now she tries to change the rules.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
America is supposed to be a Democracy. ALL STATES votes SHOULD count. This is reguardless of who would win, or what is agreed on. The PEOPLE of Florida & Michigan want to be heard, they did not ask for a change in their primary date, why should they be punished? Lets not silence 2 states votes no matter what the outcome will be. Hillary is in favor of a re-vote, so if there are so many Obama supporters out there, let them be heard, BUT DON'T ignore 2 states. This is not Democracy.
luckyeddie007c 3 years ago
Way to just regurgitate talking points and not answer my question.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
Way to just drink up Obama's lyes and not look at the facts.
zeiters20 3 years ago
If we want the best candidate to win, excluding Florida and Michigan would be insane. I'm a Democrat who's willing to vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination-and especially if he wins it on red states, and believe me, I'm not alone. No real Democrat want a theological goon like Obama running the country.
zeiters20 3 years ago
zeiters20,
Do you not want to answer my question? Here it is again for you:
What do you not understand that ALL the candidates agreed to this in the beginning and now Clinton wants to change the rules after the fact?
Why didn't she stand up for these two states BEFORE the primary season?
Why is she making this push for them NOW instead of 6 months ago when these rules were decided and yet Florida and Michigan still decided to BREAK the rules?
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
Hillary has been calling for Florida's representation sinse South Carolina. She clearly demonstrated that she could outperform Obama in New Hampshire, and South Carolina was unfortunately dictated by a monolithic black vote, but to suggest Hillary only wants Florida represented for political reasons goes to show astounding length Obama supporters will go to distort the truth. We all owe it to ourselves as Americans to call this propaganda for what it is. You need to lay off the crack.
zeiters20 3 years ago
zeiters: Yet more insults. Why do you do that?
Ppl are suggesting that you're a paid Clinton shill. And the only other possibility mentioned [or, at this point, conceivable], is that you're a troll. Can you be happy with that?
barb99999 3 years ago
"I want your superdelegates!"
MooseOfReason 3 years ago
Unfortunatly Obama's dirty tactics justify redos in Florida and Michigan. How funny to see Obama supporters grovel and whine because he gave a racist speech.
zeiters20 3 years ago
Wow, that was lame. I just heard one of the best speeches ever by Obama and now to listen to this sophomoric lament.
Please just quit lady, the more you piss off the voters the less likely you're even going to make VP.
shaire99 3 years ago
hillary losses voters every time she opens her mouth
kargenlewis 3 years ago
she's acting like this is a general election! Fl and Mi will get to vote in the General!!!! WE'RE IN THE PRIMARY!!!! the rules are different - and you agreed to them Senetor Hillary Clinton
lucskarn 3 years ago 3
What about the rich and priviledged? Is it not a tradition for those people to nullify the vote for the common man? How are we going to make sure that the vote is not buggered again? Answer us that Hills.
hypnofan35 3 years ago 3
NObama'08!
astro104 3 years ago
She agreed to not count Florida and Michigan's votes because they violated primary rules. Plain and simple. She's going back on it now, which shows that she can't be trusted. If she was a person of her word, she wouldn't be trying to play these mind games.
neverlookback75 3 years ago 6
I believe she meant what she said when she said she just doesn't want to see us go backward and that day has come, she is just going to complete the race gracefully. I was going for her. It's hard to say how things are going to turn out. Things look like they're going to start getting ugly.
jenniferann2 3 years ago
if the nomination process doesn't go the way you want, you can't just change it. that's not democracy.
mvertigo16 3 years ago 3
"It's clear: This election they're having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot," HRC, October 2007
OsheaEt 3 years ago 2
"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said back in October 2007 during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program. What makes to change her mind and keep laying time and time again?? You guessed it.
OsheaEt 3 years ago 2
Hillary looks bad. Look at her eyes. Man she looks horrible
tefthadon 3 years ago 3
This isn't about getting votes? Bullshit. She had this planned from the start, when she campaigned in Florida after agreeing not to. This has all been a ploy -- she has always intended on fighting to have these delegates seated, relying on the fact that she has been fighting for them combined with her misinformation to swing these states heavily towards herself.
devikkyrn 3 years ago 3
I remember back in speech class, we was told to not read your speech but to learn it. Make a few notes on the topics you want to hit.
When did just reading some crap that somebody wrote become okay.
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Anyway, are Hilary people becoming like Ron Paul's people or what?
PharaohNineD 3 years ago
History will look back on this election in shame if Michigan and Florida are not counted.
ds343 3 years ago
What does a ten year old know about the Clinton Administration?
jenniferann2 3 years ago
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obama knows he cant win in michigan so that is why they avoid it...pathetic
RoachAsylum 3 years ago
why cant he win?
livythecanuck 3 years ago 2
roach, your name quite fits you...
When the DNC excluded Michigan and Florida for violating the DNC rules all the candidates agreed with the DNC rules...
Obama said he will be ok with any future decision the DNC makes in the contrary Hillary wants to change the DNC rules that she agreed on back when she was the front runner, she only follows the rules when its on her side
Even if she wins these states (which I doubt) she will still fall behind Obama in both the popular vote and delegate count
3SM3x 3 years ago 2
Typical Republican response- "Who cares about the rules?" Go back to riding coattails, RA.
DeepSouthDispatch 3 years ago
"Every American has the right to vote for me"
"We need a revote, as long as it helps me"
"I have no fair numerical way or winning the delegate count"
"I need Michigan and Florida votes to even have a chance of stealing the election from Barack"
"The superdelegates I spent years courting in the whitehouse, will overturn the peoples vote because I dont go that crazy black church."
"It is Unconstitutional that Michigan will not be allowed to vote for me, after all I helped pass NAFTA"
-Hill
chumashfalcon 3 years ago 5
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vote Ron Paul, or suffer from the status quo,,,, no doubt these people are corporate clones
boncrys 3 years ago
Her words sound so hollow..
BlackKingX 3 years ago 4
Full fair elections with all candidates in on the debates. Leaving out Kucinich was wrong. Both of these candidates have bought their positions today.
If they do a complete revote then they should bring back everyone.. including Kucinich (and others who had to drop out due to funding and cheap tactics) and let him have equal time to debate in front of the American public. Only then will it a true and fair vote.
EmelinaChaCha 3 years ago
Bring back Kucinich? What fucking difference would it make?
vertigate 3 years ago 2
I'm sorry, scratch expletives.
vertigate 3 years ago
so Obama rocks the house with a barn burner, and then we get this tepid politically-motivated bullshit from hillary today? puh-lease. michigan passed, way to return to the politics of yesterday.
intarwebzz 3 years ago 3
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as a WOMAN myself,it is so nice to finally see a intelligent woman wit the experience and strength to take on the roll as President of the United States of America
StephStance 3 years ago
I think it is great to have a woman running for the highest public office there is, unfortunately i just dont think she is the right candidate, while i cant name another female who would be better i just feel Hillary isnt the right choice.
ImaScotsman 3 years ago 3
I would love to see a woman as president of the US but Hillary's experience = bad judgment.
Hillary voted for Iraq war because she said "I was fooled by G. Bush"
Then she voted for Joe Libermans recent resolution that allows G. Bush to Invade Iran.
Who fooled her this time, the tooth fairy ?
3SM3x 3 years ago
its just to bad that she is corrupt in every aspect of the word!
F4O4U4R4S 3 years ago 4
HRC has no relevant experience. As First Lady she was not privvy to daily intelligence briefings or National Security Council meetings. David Trimble dismissed her claims that she was a principal player in the Northern Ireland negotiations as she claims. HRC failed the one task assigned to her, i.e. Health Care Reform. So in short, she is a failure. She is a corrupt and incompetent relic from the past and it's time to give someone else a shot.
vertigate 3 years ago 2
The real hot potato is who is going to pay for all this? Everyone would like to have a full on, from the ground up primary revote, but it's a big bill and no one wants it. Also, there are important moral differences, such as the fact that it was the Reps who moved FL and the Dems that moved MI. It may be more fair for the DNC to punish MI than FL for this reason, but no one wants to say that. Really though, I'm mad that this was not solved earlier. This is classic Dem self-immolation.
FeelFreeToArgue 3 years ago
cheap clinton tactics leaving her name on the ballots.....she knew this might happen and didnt do what she was supposed to do and agreed to do which was take her name off because they all agreed the 2 states were holding primaries too early....she doesnt honor her word.....lets end the clinton era pleeeeeeease
josiahdallas 3 years ago
LOL "to bring them back from Iraq" ...yeah right, just so that she can send them to Iran. what a fake bitch.
LittleBlueBird 3 years ago
Funny how she didn't give a shit that the primaries wouldn't count when she didn't think she'd need them to win.
NOW it's a big deal?
The time to make this speech was 6 months ago, then maybe I'd think it was valid but this is so blatantly self serving it's sick.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago
I love Hillary.....
StephStance 3 years ago
Cant say i feel the same, think shes to power hungry and that clouds her judgement. She puts ambition ahead of public service in my opinion
ImaScotsman 3 years ago
thats how I feel about Obama man...
StephStance 3 years ago
To a certain degree i could certainly understand why you would think Obama is putting ambition ahead of public service. On the other hand i simply cant see how hes power hungry or has clouded judgement in any way shape of form, his campaign decisions are testament to this.
ImaScotsman 3 years ago
if she was winning this will not be a issue FUCK YOU HILLARY i cant write this on her site cuz SHE delete comments wut a shame SUCK A DICK HILLARY !!!
papichulo9022 3 years ago
cut throat bitch
LetsGetGroovy 3 years ago 3
The 'Hillary' wants a vote as long as she has rules that advantage her. Obama's people says he will consider approving the Michigan gambit as soon as an actual bill is drawn up so he can make sure the 'Hillarys' haven't fixed it for her favor.
allencrider 3 years ago 4
Obama doesn't want to support the vote at all unless its a caucus. He's twisted the definition of fairness into the surreal stratosphere of "change" and "unity"
zeiters20 3 years ago
When the DNC excluded Michigan and Florida for violating the DNC rules all the candidates agreed with the DNC rules...
Obama said he will be ok with any future decision the DNC makes in the contrary Hillary wants to change the DNC rules that she agreed on back when she was the front runner...
3SM3x 3 years ago
When Hillary was the front runner she agreed with the DNC rules, now that she's falling behind she wants to change the rules...
FLIP FLOPPER !!!
Even if she won these states she will still fall behind Obama in both the popular vote and delegates...
3SM3x 3 years ago 2
yes, counting the delegates from the Jan primaries would be "changing the rules". However, holding NEW primaries would NOT be changing the rules.
To not let two of the largest states in the union have a say in this historic election is just absurd and would cast a shadow of whoever wins the nomination.
In the Florida case it was a REPUPLICAN governor that made the primary go before the "window", despite protests from the Democrats - and Democrats should be punished for that?
berig1 3 years ago
betch
WhyNotTruth 3 years ago 2