Oh religious people and their "free will". Our actions are completely determined by our heredity and our experiences (nature+nurture). 'Fault' is a manmade concept designed to influence our future behavior. If you know you will be held responsible for an action, that can provide a reason not to do it.
This is why the church should LEAD the culture...not from a position of state-granted power as in Europe, but because people in a degraded culture will recognize the empty promises from skeptics, socialists, and Hollywood do not lead to true fulfillment, and only the church offers a truly alternate voice. We're entering a point in history where the natural despair that comes from moral bankruptcy will actually push people back to Christ.
So tell me: why do the megachurch pastors blame the devil when they are unmasked and we find out about their molestations, drug use and misusing church funds?
There is an undeniable human tendency to see ourselves as free and morally responsible beings. But there’s a problem. We also believe—most of us anyhow—that our environment and our heredity entirely shape our characters (what else could?). But we aren’t responsible for our environment, and we aren’t responsible for our heredity. So we aren’t responsible for our characters. But then how can we be responsible for acts that arise from our characters?
Your heredity does not shape your character -- you have no evidence for that false belief.
You are responsible for what you perceive to be your environment. Everything that you perceive is an image in your mind, and your character determines what that image means to you.
You are fully responsible for all of your suffering, because you are fully responsible for all the activities in which you freely choose to engage, and those activities are the direct cause of your suffering.
@1GodOnlyOne 'you have no evidence for that false belief'. There is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that suggests that is true.
'your character determines what that image means to you.' And where does this 'character' come from? DNA + environment. The moment you use the word 'you', you must tell what factors constitutes 'you' and if you are not responsible for these factors, then you cannot be responsible for the actions that arise out of 'you'.
If that be the case then the son or daughter of "evil" people would naturally follow, but you don't see that happenening all the time. The son of Bin laden rejects his fathers radicalism. The sons and daughters of many nazi leaders reject their parents ideologies. Serial killers being born in seemingly normal families and environments.
DNA+environment is not a fact, it can impact but it never accounted for personal choices alone.
@Nebelung13 'DNA+environment is not a fact, it can impact but it never accounted for personal choices alone.'
Again you are missing the point. If (theoretically) I have two humans made up of exactly the same DNA and exactly the same environment, their movements would mirror each other. What are 'personal choices'? To answer that you must tell me what other factors (besides DNA+environment) constitutes a person on your view.
To say that it is to "take away the possibility of any court of law dealing with any act of any nature if it is always someone else's fault" is faulty on the following grounds:
1) There may be degrees to which something is "someone else's fault"
2) It must not "always" be someone else's fault: sometimes people may rise above determinism and sometimes they may do the opposite
3) If one supports the original quotation of this post, one also says that the purpose of court's is to 'find evil'
Fun thing: spending half your time answering a question about textboxs with a vauge pathos filled story about a brainwashed, to-be suicide bomber, child and then comparing that type of forced imprinting with regular imprinting (depending on how "free" we think we are) is preposterous. Also, to back up the latter form of imprinting by saying that porn can give one a greater "feeling" than any person ever could (to hint that porn forces itself upon one) is also preposterous. Imho: this is b.s.
@popsilol You're missing the point. Both types of imprinting are operating within an environment; a cultural environment, to be more specific. And cultural environments do shape us as people, whether we perceive the imprinting as forced by the culture or offered to us like some hors d'oeurve on the silver platter of a TV screen. At the same time, if cultures are composed of people with ideas, then how do suicide bombing and pornography come to be? From human beings
@drofdel72 Indeed, "both types of imprinting are operating within... a cultural environment" And cultural environments may shape "us as people". What I was trying to say was that there are different types of environments. I do not see how forced imprinting could be equally affective as one served "on the silver platter of a TV screen." Also, while cultures may be shaped by some people's ideas, to say that those people's ideas shape all people's mind sets is derogatory and simplistic.
@popsilol I will say again that what you're doing is making a comparison where there is no comparison and using that as a premise to discount Dr. Zacharias' argument. Jihad and porn are two separate examples to show his position that people shaped solely by their environments is a half-truth. Each example is harmful in their own way. Each example can, to the degree that an individual assents to, shape the mind set of that person.
@drofdel72 But look at what Dr. Zacharias and Mr. Guiness say because this is the heart of the matter which I believe that you, myself, Dr. Zacharias, Mr. Guiness and Jesus would agree on. I'll paraphrase what Jesus said to make the point: It's not what goes into a person that makes them evil, it's what comes out that makes them evil. Jihad and pornography are both evil things that have come from people and affected cultures. Would say more, but I'm out of space in this post.
@drofdel72 I agree, In the Bhagavid-gita Arjuna ask Krishna, O descendant of Vrsni, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwilling, as if engaged by force? Krishna says, It is lust only Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material mode of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring sinful enemy of this world.
In my honest opinion the human condition is based on our trying to bring our mind and senses under control.
@drofdel72 Jihad means "striving in the way of God," and there is nothing "evil" about that -- the only "evil" in your post is coming from your consciousness exclusively, not from God, and not from those who strive to act according to his will.
You are a very bigoted, hateful, and ignorant individual, and I will pray for you.
@1GodOnlyOne If you disagree with me, well and good; but to insult me when you do not know me fully as a person, generalizing about my character based upon the conversation I had with another individual, is as much an insult as the perceived slight towards you. I forgive you for your insult towards me, and I pray that you'll do the same.
@drofdel72 Well said my brother..Judge not yet ye be judged..Let who hath not sinned cast the first stone.Jesus def taught this to his flock..Godbless and Godspeed
@drofdel72 I agree that they are two separate entities, but I do not agree that Dr. Zacharias does not compare them or does not indicate that they are shaping people equally much.
@drofdel72 Also, I never argued that ideas did not come "from human beings": what I said was that one would have to draw a line between forced imprinting (which would lead to one being stricly influenced via highly deterministic means) and 'free' imprinting (which would derive from ideas that 'came along' with other things). Also, Jihad and porn do not harm people equally much or even on the same basis, thus it is unsubstantiated to compare them on such a basis.
@popsilol who conceived the ideas and made them part of their particular cultural environment. And at some point, one person or several conceived the same idea out of an idolized view of martyrdom or sex.
@popsilol Your line of thinking led you to believe that Dr. Zacharias was making a comparison between the two, but he is not. He is presenting two separate examples to illustrate his position that the shaping of human nature solely by the cultural environment is a half-truth.
What a load of crap! I got around 2600 character response portraying the ignorance of those speaking in the video. Alas, I'm not sure people here would take kindly to 6 consecutive comments. I sqeezed my comments into few points (still split in 2 comments):
Here is what they think:
1. Christianity is somehow the anti-evil.
2. Children should be told evil comes from within themselves.
@ttcmp0 It seems that this short video does not present the full framework necessary for a listener who has never come across these ideas. Their point is inherently the same as that of the men who created the US Constitution: human individuals are, by their very nature, imperfect. This imperfection shows up in varying degrees within individuals, and can be, to an extent, encouraged or discouraged by ones upbringing or environment. As we are all ultimately self-seeking, we need proper laws to...
(continued from earlier) ...restrain and punish evil and enact some measure of justice for those offended by evil. The evil nature of man (the fact that we are bent toward serving ourselves rather than God) cannot be changed by psychology, education, politics, etc. The heart of man can only be changed by the God of the universe. God did not make men evil, nor does He tempt anyone to do evil. He made man good, but also mutable. We had the capacity to do good or evil.
@jtw2e You make good points all the way until you mention god. In order to use god as proof of something, you must first proof the god hypothesis to be true.
@EnlightenedReader As a theist, I agree with you. 180 uses shock tactics and flawed but convincing arguments to get across it's points, it certainly doesn't give any sound arguments against abortion. However, if you value human life, there is no doubt that abortion is wrong. Of course on a naturalistic world view it can be justified, but if you believe life has intrisic value, then it is clearly wrong to end it.
Religion is the definition of evil.Its rejection of evolution and nature.Most religious people tend to critisize science as evil because science is something beathifull and inovative not some silly old book written by a human not "God"
all have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible by breaking the ten commandments. the just punishment is death then hell. thats not Gods will. He sent forth His Son Jesus Christ to suffer and die on the cross paying for the law you broke in His lifes blood. now He commands you to repent turn from sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation. please dont put this off.
How dare Christians criticize porn? Thanks to porn you don't need to use your imagination when you jack off, which is more than I can say for Christianity.
Its the choice of each individual whether or not to do right or wrong, I'd say about 99% of humanity strives to do what they think is right, but either is misguided or can not follow their morals when things get rough. The best way to decrease crime and other evils is simply to raise the bar with our education system, and remove some laws, we should not try to enforce laws that either can not be enforced or do not harm anyone excepting the individual taking part in the act.
Evil is a result of mankind deciding they want relative and subjective morals rather than that what is objectively right and wrong. Adam and Eve is the perfect allegory, what happens when man decides they want to be God? Evil of course. Think of the majority of the worlds problems, even the natural science ones, they're moral problems! Even this recession, I dont blame the dollar bill, I blame the person who thought greed was better than empathy. What were the results of this? check the news
@BeauG92 If you read my post it says that evil is not an invention, as darkness is not an invention. Are you in a dating relationship? Unless you want your partner to be glued to you like they're hypnotized, i'm sure you can feel even more special knowing they had options to choose you. Perhaps you admired how they treated those around you, how they had choices to do wrong, do bad, but chose to do good because they loved you. Without an option to go against you, loving you is insignificant
@sterlthepearl1000 Scientists today just copy and borrow and rearrange a cells design! People like Craig venter and jack szostak use templates and gene synthesizing machines!! It is impossible for a cell to form by chance! and they know it! Homochirality and hydrolysis would prevent life from ever starting! It is chemically and mathematically impossible for a single protein to form by chance!!
@tobytrim God is not responsible for evil, humanity is. To say God invented evil is to say there was an invention of darkness. If I asked you now to go turn up the darkness, you would look at me puzzled as I would expect. There is no such thing as turn up the darkness, rather you would ask to turn down the light. Darkness is not an invention it is an absence of light. Evil is not an invention, it is an absence of good. Without one, you could not define the other.
@dontbethatguy99 Scientists today just copy and borrow and rearrange a cells design! People like Craig venter and jack szostak use templates and gene synthesizing machines!! It is impossible for a cell to form by chance! and they know it! Homochirality and hydrolysis would prevent life from ever starting! It is chemically and mathematically impossible for a single protein to form by chance!!
@Tobytrim Luke 6:45, Samuel 16:7, 1 king 3:6, Ezekiel 36:26, Matthew 5:8, Proverbs 3:4, Hebrews 10:22, and MANY MANY other scriptures all point to MAN's HEART for good and evil. Yes there is an outside force that brings TEMPTATION however you misunderstand the essence of the scriptures if you fail to realize it's MAN's heart that is at the CORE of good and evil brought into this world. There is no hypocrisy if you UNDERSTAND the entirety of both OLD and NEW testament scripture.
@PuertoRicanTakeOva "There is no hypocrisy if you UNDERSTAND the entirety of both OLD and NEW testament scripture"
Sorry, but there is much hypocrisy and irrationality IN these scriptures, which is why I don't take them to seriously as a guide to what is good or evil, nor as any other serious source of what is correct!
@PuertoRicanTakeOva God tells a man to kill and burn his son.Gen22.Previously,God instructed NOT to kill.Gen9.James1 says God will NOT tempt with evil.What would YHWH have done if Abram said to this demonic voice order his son burned,"Get behind me Satan,God has forbidden murder.You are wicked and in the name of YHWH,LEAVE ME NOW WICKED BEING."God said he NEVER commanded this burning of Isaac and never even thought about it.Jer19:5.He says he hates burning children.Deut12:31.Ravi money whore.
The story of W.H. Auden caused me to think a bit. Perhaps, had Hitler and Stalin not each had an aggressive father and doting mother (as they both did), they would not have been as likely to become tyrants. Yet, others live through the same unfortunate experience, and do not turn toward darkness as they mature. I wonder what makes the difference? An arrangement of neurons, just the right word of support offered at the right time, faith, a compassionate vs. a selfish nature, God?
@illestchicano There's truth in what you've said. I recall a writer whose works I read decades ago, who proposed that the Golden Rule - "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" - be revised a bit, to read "Do unto others as they would have done unto them." A dinner of broiled lamb may be a wonderful gift to, some, yet be an offense to a vegetarian.
Being Kind all the time is not the answer nor is what he is saying. Ravi as a Apologetics Preacher always says to follow the example of Jesus. If you read the gospels you would see Jesus was not always kind. he was righteous and so also demonstrated this righteousness at times by a harsh hand, example clearing the temple of stalls and sellers, using a makeshift whip. Raising a child through giving him everything all the time is not good parenting.
Man is powerless flesh which sins but not necessarily extreme evil.The Bible says God created the knowledge of good and evil neither virtue is one hundred percent in man. Adam ate equal good and evil.So man is not evil. He does not do evil always.But all flesh of man eventually sins, and some men do extreme evil. But to say all men are evil by sin is not Biblically true. Man can do good and does. But he is flesh so he sins while doing good.Flesh without Spirit is unpredictable to do evil or good
Disagree! I thought he is clever, but he is also a stupid religious dreamer. The environment does effect the majority. That is why you see Indians dance like monkeys and Europeans mess around day and night. If you expose the same people to a specific environment and educate them with whatever required, they will become what you have aimed to make them become. This is pure brain and knowledge. The evil is same and vice versa the good. Those who can think and do evil are different. Obama is one!
We see evil when we see christians pretending to drink blood and pretending to eat human flesh.This is cannabalistic and forbidden by God.Yes,Rome has deceived wicked people who accept the very doctrine of evil and of all demonically controlled civilizations.Their gods demanded blood for atonement. Christianity will one day be labeled rightfully a terrorist organization.It is being used for control now, but one day it will fall down when usefulness is over.I for one will be glad.
@jeejopallayi Have you seen a baby with having evil intentions? Evil inside is a garbage talk that is told by religious morons. If for example you get raised in a place where everything is kind, you will have a good heart. If you are raised in a jungle and in a society like we are living right now, then you will have both, evil and good heart. You learn evil like everything else, proven by babies and young people. Stop explaining me shit now!
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
No thanks. I know i'm where I need to be because of what I experience wih the Holy Spirit. I have no need to become apart of another religion. I know Jesus is the way the truth and the light, and the only way to the one true and living God. All I ask is that people not go off labeling what we experience as Christians, and that goes for any other religion. We're not delusional or whatever other crap people say. It's so rude and irritates me to the nth degree.
How will you ever understand the impact of the Holy Spirit if you have never completely given yourself to Jesus. A non-Christian person can't understand what a Christian feels when the Holy spirit comes over him/her. It's a very REAL feeling, it cant be compared to schizophrenia or any other mental disorder. When I feel the Holy Spirit, I feel a sort of comfort. When you have schizophrenia you hear voices in your head and see things that are not there...two completely different things.
@stormsophia1994 well you have never been a hindu i asume, or a muslim, or in any other religion. and your telling him that he won't understand how REAL it feels to believe in jesus and feel the holy spirit until he tries it. well you won't understand how it is to be a hindu and feel vishnu and shiva and brahma. or feel allah(same god but actually a diffrent god that wants diffrent things). i suggest before u say these things go try being a hindu maybe it will be more REAL to you.
Man is not more evil than good Man is powerless flesh bent on doing things independently of God's Spirit. Adam ate equally evil and good not more evil than good. The greatest evil is to think by human flesh man can approach God in morality and not new birth of Spirit Life.God is not moral but superior Spirit Virtue He is not equal to His law in Holy Character.All flesh is powerless to do only what flesh does.Man is not evil by nature but by knowledge of evil which his flesh is powerless to do.
@MissLaLa2013 I wasn't aware there was a 'correct' way to interpret the bible? Well, im sure each of the thousands of denominations are sure theirs is correct.
Christians have the holy spirit who helps them understand. That wouldn't make much sense to a non-Christian; but praying and searching out the author's meaning is how Christians should interpret the Bible. Sounds narrow-minded? If everyone derives Biblical meaning from what they think it says, the Bible is meaningless, because it's all relative truth. Jesus said he came to defend and prove what is true. (Jn. 18:37) So if you have a relationship with him, he will teach you.
@TheJoelCox "Christians have the holy spirit who helps them understand"
How do you know that? Probably in the same way that someone with schizophrenia is certain he is actually hearing voices speak to him. Im sure it feels very real to the person.
No offense, but it all just sounds like a crock to me and i have a really hard time working out why anyone would believe any of it. Just because its been the custom for 1000's of years - doesn't make it any more credible.
@luker4459 It's not a voice, it's a feeling, it's hard to describe. Whenever I've had the Holy spirit speak to me it's been thru someone else with impossibly awesome timing or I've felt the words, I really can't describe it otherwise.
The "custom" as you say, has had the backing of thousands of years of prophecy, historical accuracy, and personal life changes in ways that no other faith can match. No other faith has a Jesus, no resurrection, no continuous miracles going on today.
@ESneed7 I wonder if the spirit told Swaggart to go to prostitutes and put his enormous cock up their asses?He would say he was filled with holy spirit,mock speaking in tongues and then go see prostitutes.This is blaspheming the holy spirit.Jesus said there is no forgiveness.We know when he yacks about the cross,he is teaching a lie and delusional.He has crossed over to a lie and now will be damned according to Jesus' and the false apostle Paul's words.
@TheJoelCox Will spirit teach a man to burn his son for a sacrifice?Gen22.This is murder,evil and forbidden.Gen9,Ex20.God Knows hearts and needs no test.God does not tempt with evil.Jm1.God said he Never told someone to do this Jer19:5as told by the liars in the Bible and especially Rome the founders of Christianity with their false apostle Paul leading the charge against the Jews.
Christianity should be labeled a terroristic organization.It is vile and requires pretending drinking blood.
What is "outside" is actually inside. One body "atacking" another body is meaningless. if you want to call it evil....to you it is evil. To another it may be something quite different. To Jesus it was nothing. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust! So what? Nothing Real has changed. There is no life in the ashes or dust! Life is of the Spirit, the flesh is of no avail. The Spirit may imagine evil, but God allows no more than that.
Powerful imaginations we have! Who knows he dreams until he awakens?
Our soul is like a door, if you leave yourself open to the sin nature, walking in the flesh, you spiral deeper into that realm that satan dwells. He makes evil appealing, but he nevertheless is out to deceive, kill, and destroy, that is the nature of that beast. Christ came and defeated him, he overcame the flesh, the world and the devil. Where Adam let the door open to sin, Christ came to close it. When you are in the body of Christ you are sealed with His Holy Spirit, and that is Truth.
@luker4459 Probably. Until there is constant sanctification of the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't be purged out of our pet sins... I am a Christian yet, I often fall prey to sin. Step by step, little by little, as we are being cleansed by God's words, we are perfected... Even Saints like Peter and Paul, fell prey to the evil desires of hearts... So for you to judge a man according to your standards (perhaps you enjoy porn much as everyone else), isn't it being hypocritical?
@Urfism No, i make no secret of my enjoyment of porn. As an athiest, am i not supposed to listen to what people on the other side of the argument have to say? I like to know both sides
@luker4459 You deny God for self justification. You keep searching out these videos to disprove God; to appease the guilt you ALREADY have from watching porn.
Porn is both physically and psychologically damaging, I'm speaking with a person who doesn't know his/her mind has been demented/corrupted.
@Urfism How dare you or anyone try and tell me what the mind of such a god would or would not condone when you cant even demonstrate the existence of such a god in the first place. All this boils down to is a bunch of self-proclaimed experts on the mind of god sitting around and making things up based on their own interpretations of ancient text. Why do you think there are so many branches of christianity and so many other religions?
@luker4459 no proof? what about Jesus Christ? if he had not rose from the dead then the witnesses wouldnt have allowed themselves to be tortured and killed for their testimony to the ressurected Christ. how about bible prophecy? check out "walid shoebat prophecy" and youll see the reality of prophetic claims. what about the science? search kent hovind creation seminar.
@luker4459 If all things are meaningless, why do these things concerning God bother you so much? Especially when those who believe in Him tell you that God loves you regardless of what you think of Him.
@LittleMonster316 Just because there is no god, and no obvious point to existence itsself - doesnt mean we can't create our own meaning. I enjoy being alive.
If god loves me and everyone else then why doesnt he get rid of satan and hell and everyone can live happily in the afterlife? God is all powerful right? Or is satan more powerful? I find the whole thing to be a joke, like scientology.
@emotimeroski345 I dont think anyone understands the bible. Why is it so open to interpretation? Why can so many people read it and come up with completely contradictory conclusions?
Okay I have a question....that is NOT related to the Video.SORRY but most people in here tend to understand the Bible better....I have been told that the "church" is 'spiritual israel'....I do not feel that Gentiles are in any way spiritual israel...NO where in scripture do I remotely find any phase-ology to the church "takingover" as God' anointed...BOTH groups are GOD'S people IF they come to Him IN Faith. any thougths Thank-you
Galatians speaks of gentiles becoming God's people through Christ; not taking over the real Israel. God makes His promises and makes them real superbly.
@gatsbyfaulkner Thank-you for your reply....I have been told that I have to celebrate "Israel' s feast" and thought that I am not Israel....so why would I do a feast????? Then was said that the "church" is spiritual israel....just do not see it>>>thank you again
Man is flesh with both the knowledge of good and evil. Adam ate both equally. Man thinks he is more good than evil. Knowledge of good and evil are powerless virtues for man to do. Flesh of man does according to the bent of his fleshly mind. Man estimates what the greater virtue for him is.He ses some good as sentimental and some evil as necessary. Man never discerns both good or evil perfectly. Because man is flesh seeking a righteousness for the pleasure of each individuals bent on reality.
This whole video is a straw-man argument aimed at some supposed secular group that says that people should not be held accountable for their actions because of the way they were brought up. Who is this group? what university actually upholds this idea? Sure all universities explore the nature vs nurture debate but who actually says it's mostly nurture? i have never met them But this is a great way for some christians to show how morally superior they are compared to a nonexistent group of people
Alan Watts once said something like "If a hooligan knows a little psychology, he can blame his devious actions on his upbringing. And you go to the parents and they say, well, our parents were neurotic too! And it goes down and down to Adam and Eve! Eve blamed the serpent for eating the apple, but the serpent, being a divine being, did not pass the blame. He was wise enough to tell where the present begins."
Only through the industrial mass murder of women in concentration camps the size of Auschwitz, and the recreation of womankind through the technology of genetic engineering, can we solve the problem of human evil once and for all.
@hijacker050 This is quite possibly the most asinine comment I have heard in quite a long while. I suggest you take a vacation, preferably somewhere far away from other people, and try to re-connect with reality.
@urnotdafatr I love it when religious folks do mind-boggling and hilarious "interpretations" and bend over backwards to justify the bull in religious scriptures … "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword" for me needs no interpretation at all. And it goes along nicely with many other passages of the Bible, where Jesus wants all sorts of folks (including children) dead b/c they work on sabbath or don't worship his holy ass the right way! So, thanks Jeebus, but no thanks!
@urnotdafatr All of modern neuroscience disagrees with you. Hostility of races is NOT a learned behavior. Scientific studies indicate completely that it is innate. Obviously, you're in waaaay over your head bringing 'Satan and angels' to this discussion. Ridiculous, preposterous. I mean, believe what you want, but just don't expect me to buy it.
@urnotdafatr You misunderstand what I mean. I meant we do not have brains that are perfectly suited to the 21st centuries style of living. And our primitiveness IS our biggest problem. Our brains that automatically distinguish ingroups from the outgroups, and are subconsciously hostile to them (MRI Scans show parts of the brain light up differently to other races, classes, etc.) have no doubt been the cause for many wars. Also we seem to lack the ability to sway much in our beliefs.
Matthew 10:34: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:35-37: "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter- in- law against her mother- in- law; (…). He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." So much for "family values", dude!
'Evil' comes from within, obviously, otherwise there would be nothing fuelling the beginning of the poverty etc. But it is obvious that we don't have 'free will' as such. If you are born under those conditions you are most likely to BE like those conditions. It is our genetic programming and our minds which are still primitive.
@TheBiddleMan problem with stating no free will means that 1 can not choose goodWE do have a choiceCause the tree of the knowledge of good & evil We can choose goodBUTwe are in and of our self that makes if difficult because.We R the center of our own little world.In that world we want what we want when we want it.1st & foremost POWER...babies cry for it, bullies intimidate for it and power houses whether, government or corporation strive for it POWER is what the SIN was YOU will be like GOD
@MR1EAR There is no free will in the sense that most people talk about. For example, think of a celebrity, right now. A random celebrity will pop into your head at my prompting. Why did you choose this celebrity? You do not know, and cannot account for why you didn't choose any other. The truth is our brains are just as robotic as a computer. You do things based on a combination of nurturing and genetics- which of those make you 'free'? Thoughts just 'happen' with you having no real control.
@TheBiddleMan Are you saying that a man who rapes a woman has no control? The woman who murders her child has no control? Really....Norway...was just a thought that happened? come on think....
@MR1EAR What I am saying is that it wasn't just a 50/50 choice, which is what true free will is about? At one point in our history, homo sapiens raped members of other tribes to spread genes, and there is in fact a gene that predisposes one to rape. Indeed, there are genes that make you a sociopath by increasing the amount of a certain seretonin receptor. Examine what that means. A single genetic change warrants a massive behavior change that we can predict.
@TheBiddleMan let me just say this:::Paul commends us in Romans12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.REPEAT good and acceptable and perfect...IN THE Garden when GOD did all....IT was GOOD and ACCEPTABLE...Adam and EVE were PERFECT. NOTHING TO mess with the gene pool!!! Evil started there...<they wanted to be like GOD with Power
@TheBiddleMan fueling the beginning of poverty??? what??? "free will" as such???and explain "If you are born under those conditions....you are most likely to be like those concitions... genetic programming??? OUR MINDS WHICH ARE STILL PRIMITIVE???? please explain statements.
@MR1EAR I see you want me to explain my statements. What I mean is that our minds are still primitive. We live in a modern society, but our brains have remnants leftover from when we were neanderthals. For example, we are genetically predisposed to fear and distrust outsiders, something which would have been beneficial back when we were tribes. But now, it makes no sense.
@TheBiddleMan #1FEAR is a good thing.IT keeps us safe! This really can go on and on."Evolution"somehow you would think that this would of stopped by now.YOU mean our minds have not kept up with our"thinking"?or is it backwards our "thinking cannot kept up with our MINDS? the jest of this is WHO is responsible for EVIL?>MAN. Jesus made it clear "IF you look with lust you have committed adultery.IF you hate,committed murder one step higher to address our minds our thoughts our thinking.
Evil does not exist and hate only exists because people believe in evil. Please stop calling and thinking of things that are bad as "evil". It doesn't exist. I really wish that this thought comes through to as many people as possible. I don't want to see more unnecessary hate and suffering in the world.
the 2of you go back&forth like a yo-yo....WHO has been to Africa? WHO has been to Bangladesh?OR Amsterdam? To go on like you have you both seem to blame EVERYONE but self? EVIL is EVIL from within. OUR appetite dictates HOW we react to certain environments BUT ultimately WE ourselves are the ones to blame...STOP with the Capitalism blaming....IF any of you BUY any thing(especially from 3rd world countries)>YOU ARE A Hypocrite.>YOU are EVIL ..I am EVIL... WE are all EVIL
@drmontague Notice how your argument puts on display the point these two men are trying to make. You say "because of filfthy capitalism" HA! there you go , its the "add-infinitum" reasoning. always "someone elses fault" the question they ask is where does it stop? you are saying; its' the "capitalists fault, not mine! Humans don;t have tHe problem. Its just the economic systems humans created that make humans act badly! see the error you make here? choices matter human responsibility matters.
@willph18 It is ignorance not to question the underlying causes of hatred. Look at their pathetic argument about the man taking his son up a mountain, pointing to a town and telling his son his purpose in life is to kill those people. There is no mention of the reason why the man tells his son to kill or the reason for the mans hatred.
@DrMontague reasons=excuses in most cases. People do tyhong because they choose to. I know brainwashing exists. but we cannot use it where it is not applicable in the case for the child, that is brainwashing. but the other case he showed, where the leader himself chose to cheat, it was not brainwashing, it was a wrong choice, what he of his own accord had chosen to do. probably out of "the ends justify the means" reason to save the company. but he was still thrown in jail.
@willph18 What would you do if you lived in extreme poverty? simply starve to death? These people don't have a choice because our natural instinct is to survive. I gave you an example of Indian families having to prostitute their children.What would you do if you were in their situation?
Does this old fool not realize that capitalist economics demand exploitation of human labour which cause enormous wealth and poverty It was these guy's imaginary god who created the angel that would turn against. If he didn't know this angel would turn against him then this god cannot be omniscient as theists claim. If he did know this angel would turn against him but goes ahead and creates him then this god has to be evil. Try again i old boy your argument sucks.
@iamdavincity Notice how these two old sods never really answer the question e.g. they banter on about Hitler and evil but have they didn't even mention or examine in any depth the reason the German people were so easily manipulated. There was a world economic depression because of filthy capitalism which no doubt these two clowns support. . Millions were suffering. Hitler supported by big business and the propaganda machine of capitalists offered them hope for the future.
@DrMontague there are problems in ANY economic system. (communist and stalin, lenin) it is NOT the economic system that should be blamed. Its the simple "blame game" played once again. why did you kill thos person? hy did you choose to steal all their money and not share it? becasue the "system" made me do it. THis really sould like a toddler blaming their brotehr for somethiiing they did.
@willph18 What you had in the Soviet Union was not communism it was totalitarianism. During the Wall Street Crash of 1929 Millions in Europe and America were plunged into terrible poverty. How pathetic! people had to starve when there was no shortage of food.. Had to wear rags when there was no shortage of clothes. Had to sleep rough when there was no shortage of bricks for building houses. So what happens the ruling classes i.e. the capitalists get the working classes to blame each other.
@DrMontague your assumption is that socialism would fix this. I agree that ccapitalism has problems. systems can effect the ways people live. mainly beccuase they were created by humans. but they never cause people to mak bad choices. I hate to burst you bubble, and not to say poverty is unfixable, but socialism cannot end poverty. socialism takes money from people that earned it and gives it to people that have nothing. I understand the good intentions of socialism.
@willph18 You don't understand capitalism. Workers are exploited by capitalists who make vast profits e.g. workers in 3rd word countries hardly earn enough to feed themselves yet they create million if not billions for the capitalists. Now I haven't heard that Western governments are going to pass laws to make the multinationals pay these works a decent wages. It's so easy for people earning good money to tell those who are poverty stricken not to steal.
@DrMontague I agree that capitalism is not the "perfect system, neither is sicoialiam. I was not trying to defend capitalism. I was pointing out that while econimic systems can lead to problems, they should not be the things to blame for every problem that exsts in any given society. you statement "its so easy for them to say "don;t steal" its an excuse for stealing. I get your point. but steal;ing still is wrong.
@DrMontague America still is not even run on pure capitalism or socialism, it is a mixture of both. there are still welfare programs, and shelters charities, taxes. but the main ideal is to work for what you earn. It does come to a certain point, where someone canl;t start or find a job, that is where welfare comes into play. the dangeer is, that people will "live off of" welfare/socialist programs, and not use them for what tyhey were intended for, to get people on their feet, not a free ride.
@willph18 Yes the capitalists will put certain buffers in place in order to quell the anger of the masses. In 1929 millions were plunged into poverty because of the wall street crash, millions were unemployed, they had to live out of soup kitchens when there was no shortage of food. Yet people like yourself regard this as normality? And then accuse everyone as being lazy. I gave you the example of people working in sweat shops of western capitalism for starvation wages. Are they lazy?
@DrMontague That is what I was talking about. They are way underpaid and it is unfair. I never said it was okay or good for these people to be working in these conditions. I said before Socialiasm has good intentions and could probably benefit some smaller countries with the systems it provides for free. Stealing is still wrong, I will say that again. pure apitalism in never good. People need help and education.
Oh religious people and their "free will". Our actions are completely determined by our heredity and our experiences (nature+nurture). 'Fault' is a manmade concept designed to influence our future behavior. If you know you will be held responsible for an action, that can provide a reason not to do it.
MrMadmanbob 1 day ago
the country he refers to is Pakistan.
WasLostButNowAmFound 2 days ago
God created everything and everyone, therefore created rape, murder, and all the other fucked up things you can think of.
jdd94 5 days ago
@jdd94 Did you even listen to this video?
sunshinegirl1967 2 days ago
Short answer: the atheist.
1GodOnlyOne 1 week ago
This is why the church should LEAD the culture...not from a position of state-granted power as in Europe, but because people in a degraded culture will recognize the empty promises from skeptics, socialists, and Hollywood do not lead to true fulfillment, and only the church offers a truly alternate voice. We're entering a point in history where the natural despair that comes from moral bankruptcy will actually push people back to Christ.
crawhonda 1 week ago 3
@crawhonda LUL wut!?
519monsta 16 hours ago
So in the end, it falls to anecdotal evidence and a massive emotional appeal.
Yeah, sounds about par for the course.
Mathenaut 1 week ago
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crawhonda 1 week ago
So tell me: why do the megachurch pastors blame the devil when they are unmasked and we find out about their molestations, drug use and misusing church funds?
kadene2 1 week ago
@kadene2 Do you expect a fraud and a lire to be honest with themselves too?
hellavadeal 6 days ago
Ravi Zacharias, what a blessed man of God. Halleluijah!
misst4tatiana07 2 weeks ago
There is an undeniable human tendency to see ourselves as free and morally responsible beings. But there’s a problem. We also believe—most of us anyhow—that our environment and our heredity entirely shape our characters (what else could?). But we aren’t responsible for our environment, and we aren’t responsible for our heredity. So we aren’t responsible for our characters. But then how can we be responsible for acts that arise from our characters?
FryderykFChopin 2 weeks ago
Your heredity does not shape your character -- you have no evidence for that false belief.
You are responsible for what you perceive to be your environment. Everything that you perceive is an image in your mind, and your character determines what that image means to you.
You are fully responsible for all of your suffering, because you are fully responsible for all the activities in which you freely choose to engage, and those activities are the direct cause of your suffering.
1GodOnlyOne 1 week ago 2
@1GodOnlyOne 'you have no evidence for that false belief'. There is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that suggests that is true.
'your character determines what that image means to you.' And where does this 'character' come from? DNA + environment. The moment you use the word 'you', you must tell what factors constitutes 'you' and if you are not responsible for these factors, then you cannot be responsible for the actions that arise out of 'you'.
FryderykFChopin 1 week ago
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If that be the case then the son or daughter of "evil" people would naturally follow, but you don't see that happenening all the time. The son of Bin laden rejects his fathers radicalism. The sons and daughters of many nazi leaders reject their parents ideologies. Serial killers being born in seemingly normal families and environments.
DNA+environment is not a fact, it can impact but it never accounted for personal choices alone.
Nebelung13 6 days ago 3
@Nebelung13 'DNA+environment is not a fact, it can impact but it never accounted for personal choices alone.'
Again you are missing the point. If (theoretically) I have two humans made up of exactly the same DNA and exactly the same environment, their movements would mirror each other. What are 'personal choices'? To answer that you must tell me what other factors (besides DNA+environment) constitutes a person on your view.
FryderykFChopin 5 days ago
@Nebelung13 A fabulous comment.
Colton8646 1 day ago
@1GodOnlyOne, According to you, a sick, dying baby is responsible for its own suffering. Nice.
DarkMatter2525 1 day ago
@DarkMatter2525 That is according to you -- I never said that, only you said that.
Nice.
1GodOnlyOne 1 day ago
To say that it is to "take away the possibility of any court of law dealing with any act of any nature if it is always someone else's fault" is faulty on the following grounds:
1) There may be degrees to which something is "someone else's fault"
2) It must not "always" be someone else's fault: sometimes people may rise above determinism and sometimes they may do the opposite
3) If one supports the original quotation of this post, one also says that the purpose of court's is to 'find evil'
popsilol 3 weeks ago
Fun thing: spending half your time answering a question about textboxs with a vauge pathos filled story about a brainwashed, to-be suicide bomber, child and then comparing that type of forced imprinting with regular imprinting (depending on how "free" we think we are) is preposterous. Also, to back up the latter form of imprinting by saying that porn can give one a greater "feeling" than any person ever could (to hint that porn forces itself upon one) is also preposterous. Imho: this is b.s.
popsilol 3 weeks ago
@popsilol You're missing the point. Both types of imprinting are operating within an environment; a cultural environment, to be more specific. And cultural environments do shape us as people, whether we perceive the imprinting as forced by the culture or offered to us like some hors d'oeurve on the silver platter of a TV screen. At the same time, if cultures are composed of people with ideas, then how do suicide bombing and pornography come to be? From human beings
drofdel72 2 weeks ago
@drofdel72 Indeed, "both types of imprinting are operating within... a cultural environment" And cultural environments may shape "us as people". What I was trying to say was that there are different types of environments. I do not see how forced imprinting could be equally affective as one served "on the silver platter of a TV screen." Also, while cultures may be shaped by some people's ideas, to say that those people's ideas shape all people's mind sets is derogatory and simplistic.
popsilol 2 weeks ago
@popsilol I will say again that what you're doing is making a comparison where there is no comparison and using that as a premise to discount Dr. Zacharias' argument. Jihad and porn are two separate examples to show his position that people shaped solely by their environments is a half-truth. Each example is harmful in their own way. Each example can, to the degree that an individual assents to, shape the mind set of that person.
drofdel72 2 weeks ago
@drofdel72 But look at what Dr. Zacharias and Mr. Guiness say because this is the heart of the matter which I believe that you, myself, Dr. Zacharias, Mr. Guiness and Jesus would agree on. I'll paraphrase what Jesus said to make the point: It's not what goes into a person that makes them evil, it's what comes out that makes them evil. Jihad and pornography are both evil things that have come from people and affected cultures. Would say more, but I'm out of space in this post.
drofdel72 2 weeks ago
@drofdel72 I agree, In the Bhagavid-gita Arjuna ask Krishna, O descendant of Vrsni, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwilling, as if engaged by force? Krishna says, It is lust only Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material mode of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring sinful enemy of this world.
In my honest opinion the human condition is based on our trying to bring our mind and senses under control.
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@drofdel72 Jihad means "striving in the way of God," and there is nothing "evil" about that -- the only "evil" in your post is coming from your consciousness exclusively, not from God, and not from those who strive to act according to his will.
You are a very bigoted, hateful, and ignorant individual, and I will pray for you.
1GodOnlyOne 1 week ago
@1GodOnlyOne If you disagree with me, well and good; but to insult me when you do not know me fully as a person, generalizing about my character based upon the conversation I had with another individual, is as much an insult as the perceived slight towards you. I forgive you for your insult towards me, and I pray that you'll do the same.
drofdel72 1 week ago
@drofdel72 Well said my brother..Judge not yet ye be judged..Let who hath not sinned cast the first stone.Jesus def taught this to his flock..Godbless and Godspeed
mdelair420 6 days ago
@drofdel72 I agree that they are two separate entities, but I do not agree that Dr. Zacharias does not compare them or does not indicate that they are shaping people equally much.
popsilol 2 weeks ago
@popsilol Then we'll agree to disagree on our interpretation of the semantics of the clip. :) Thanks for the conversation.
drofdel72 2 weeks ago
@drofdel72 That we do. I thank you as well for having stayed polite and factual during our discussion. Peace :)
popsilol 2 weeks ago
@drofdel72 Also, I never argued that ideas did not come "from human beings": what I said was that one would have to draw a line between forced imprinting (which would lead to one being stricly influenced via highly deterministic means) and 'free' imprinting (which would derive from ideas that 'came along' with other things). Also, Jihad and porn do not harm people equally much or even on the same basis, thus it is unsubstantiated to compare them on such a basis.
popsilol 2 weeks ago
@popsilol who conceived the ideas and made them part of their particular cultural environment. And at some point, one person or several conceived the same idea out of an idolized view of martyrdom or sex.
drofdel72 2 weeks ago
@popsilol Your line of thinking led you to believe that Dr. Zacharias was making a comparison between the two, but he is not. He is presenting two separate examples to illustrate his position that the shaping of human nature solely by the cultural environment is a half-truth.
drofdel72 2 weeks ago
Why evil in this world.
-Satan
-Demons
-devils agents
-evil spirits
Revansmask17 3 weeks ago
Ravi Zacharias is a mendacious little douchebag.
RaynorGo 1 month ago
What a load of crap! I got around 2600 character response portraying the ignorance of those speaking in the video. Alas, I'm not sure people here would take kindly to 6 consecutive comments. I sqeezed my comments into few points (still split in 2 comments):
Here is what they think:
1. Christianity is somehow the anti-evil.
2. Children should be told evil comes from within themselves.
3. Educators should hold Judeo-Christian views
4. Porn creates evil.
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ttcmp0 1 month ago
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5. We don't imprison people to stop their anti-social behavior in society, but because they are inherently evil.
6. We should not worry too much with bad environments. Inherent evil is more important.
7. The 20th century evils is Hitler and his anti-christian followers ("Gott mit uns", anyone?).
8. No psycology, no education, no politics can ever change the minds of evil people.
And they get cheering and applause! What. The. Fuck.
ttcmp0 1 month ago
@ttcmp0 It seems that this short video does not present the full framework necessary for a listener who has never come across these ideas. Their point is inherently the same as that of the men who created the US Constitution: human individuals are, by their very nature, imperfect. This imperfection shows up in varying degrees within individuals, and can be, to an extent, encouraged or discouraged by ones upbringing or environment. As we are all ultimately self-seeking, we need proper laws to...
jtw2e 1 month ago
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jtw2e 1 month ago
(continued from earlier) ...restrain and punish evil and enact some measure of justice for those offended by evil. The evil nature of man (the fact that we are bent toward serving ourselves rather than God) cannot be changed by psychology, education, politics, etc. The heart of man can only be changed by the God of the universe. God did not make men evil, nor does He tempt anyone to do evil. He made man good, but also mutable. We had the capacity to do good or evil.
jtw2e 1 month ago
@jtw2e You make good points all the way until you mention god. In order to use god as proof of something, you must first proof the god hypothesis to be true.
ttcmp0 2 weeks ago
@ttcmp0 Porn actually creates hornyness
99minerkc 1 month ago
@99minerkc Absolutely. Which can lead to sex which can lead to life! :)
ttcmp0 1 month ago
@ttcmp0 :p
99minerkc 1 month ago
how do we respond to such? what did jesus say was the thing that showed that He is Lord? "Father make them one that the world would KNOW"
IOW a love that I have never seen. when they see this love they will stand convicted of sin.
but it is so much easier to endlessly talk. that is what apologetics is: the arm of the flesh and relying on clever arguments.
and the reason we talk is because we do not have this love as we do not know the lord.
so we talk some more . . . .
Strefanasha 1 month ago
Os Guinness is a beast! And the great great great (or something) nephew of Arthur Guinness, the founder of the Guinness brewery.
DanPrinMan 1 month ago in playlist Issues in Apologetics
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This really explains alot of the evil in the world,excellent video,thank you for sharing this,God bless my friend.
johnboh51 1 month ago
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MrPasajealcielo 1 month ago
@EnlightenedReader As a theist, I agree with you. 180 uses shock tactics and flawed but convincing arguments to get across it's points, it certainly doesn't give any sound arguments against abortion. However, if you value human life, there is no doubt that abortion is wrong. Of course on a naturalistic world view it can be justified, but if you believe life has intrisic value, then it is clearly wrong to end it.
t0m135 1 month ago
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God said do Not kill.Gen9,Ex20
God said do NOT learn the way heathen serve their gods burning children as sacrifices and he HATES this.Deu12:30-31.
God said he NEVER commanded,mentioned nor even thought people would be so wicked they would sacrifice and burn children.Jer19:5.
God does NOT tempt with evil.James1
Abram should have told the demon telling him sacrifice and burn 2nd son"Get behind me devil.God forbids murder."
Abram followed demon;ignored god's commands.Christians=terrorists
thedagonjones 1 month ago
Religion is the definition of evil.Its rejection of evolution and nature.Most religious people tend to critisize science as evil because science is something beathifull and inovative not some silly old book written by a human not "God"
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all have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible by breaking the ten commandments. the just punishment is death then hell. thats not Gods will. He sent forth His Son Jesus Christ to suffer and die on the cross paying for the law you broke in His lifes blood. now He commands you to repent turn from sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation. please dont put this off.
mamainmancj 1 month ago
How dare Christians criticize porn? Thanks to porn you don't need to use your imagination when you jack off, which is more than I can say for Christianity.
banestyrelsen 1 month ago
Its the choice of each individual whether or not to do right or wrong, I'd say about 99% of humanity strives to do what they think is right, but either is misguided or can not follow their morals when things get rough. The best way to decrease crime and other evils is simply to raise the bar with our education system, and remove some laws, we should not try to enforce laws that either can not be enforced or do not harm anyone excepting the individual taking part in the act.
0Maloy1 2 months ago
Evil is a result of mankind deciding they want relative and subjective morals rather than that what is objectively right and wrong. Adam and Eve is the perfect allegory, what happens when man decides they want to be God? Evil of course. Think of the majority of the worlds problems, even the natural science ones, they're moral problems! Even this recession, I dont blame the dollar bill, I blame the person who thought greed was better than empathy. What were the results of this? check the news
dontbethatguy99 2 months ago
@BeauG92 If you read my post it says that evil is not an invention, as darkness is not an invention. Are you in a dating relationship? Unless you want your partner to be glued to you like they're hypnotized, i'm sure you can feel even more special knowing they had options to choose you. Perhaps you admired how they treated those around you, how they had choices to do wrong, do bad, but chose to do good because they loved you. Without an option to go against you, loving you is insignificant
dontbethatguy99 2 months ago
Wow those two speakers were true intelligencia's. Really philosophical.
To watch an award winning documentry visit 180movie.com
sterlthepearl1000 2 months ago
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@sterlthepearl1000 Scientists today just copy and borrow and rearrange a cells design! People like Craig venter and jack szostak use templates and gene synthesizing machines!! It is impossible for a cell to form by chance! and they know it! Homochirality and hydrolysis would prevent life from ever starting! It is chemically and mathematically impossible for a single protein to form by chance!!
5tonyvvvv 2 months ago
@tobytrim God is not responsible for evil, humanity is. To say God invented evil is to say there was an invention of darkness. If I asked you now to go turn up the darkness, you would look at me puzzled as I would expect. There is no such thing as turn up the darkness, rather you would ask to turn down the light. Darkness is not an invention it is an absence of light. Evil is not an invention, it is an absence of good. Without one, you could not define the other.
dontbethatguy99 2 months ago
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@dontbethatguy99 Scientists today just copy and borrow and rearrange a cells design! People like Craig venter and jack szostak use templates and gene synthesizing machines!! It is impossible for a cell to form by chance! and they know it! Homochirality and hydrolysis would prevent life from ever starting! It is chemically and mathematically impossible for a single protein to form by chance!!
5tonyvvvv 2 months ago
Incredible hypocrisy here. The Christian view of evil IS that it is indeed an outside force.
Using Ravi's ridiculous analogy: "Why put anybody in jail? - Why not seek out the supernatural person who is the cause of all evil, and punish him?)
Tobytrim 2 months ago
@Tobytrim Luke 6:45, Samuel 16:7, 1 king 3:6, Ezekiel 36:26, Matthew 5:8, Proverbs 3:4, Hebrews 10:22, and MANY MANY other scriptures all point to MAN's HEART for good and evil. Yes there is an outside force that brings TEMPTATION however you misunderstand the essence of the scriptures if you fail to realize it's MAN's heart that is at the CORE of good and evil brought into this world. There is no hypocrisy if you UNDERSTAND the entirety of both OLD and NEW testament scripture.
PuertoRicanTakeOva 2 months ago
@PuertoRicanTakeOva "There is no hypocrisy if you UNDERSTAND the entirety of both OLD and NEW testament scripture"
Sorry, but there is much hypocrisy and irrationality IN these scriptures, which is why I don't take them to seriously as a guide to what is good or evil, nor as any other serious source of what is correct!
I am amazed anybody would!
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@PuertoRicanTakeOva God tells a man to kill and burn his son.Gen22.Previously,God instructed NOT to kill.Gen9.James1 says God will NOT tempt with evil.What would YHWH have done if Abram said to this demonic voice order his son burned,"Get behind me Satan,God has forbidden murder.You are wicked and in the name of YHWH,LEAVE ME NOW WICKED BEING."God said he NEVER commanded this burning of Isaac and never even thought about it.Jer19:5.He says he hates burning children.Deut12:31.Ravi money whore.
thedagonjones 1 month ago
The story of W.H. Auden caused me to think a bit. Perhaps, had Hitler and Stalin not each had an aggressive father and doting mother (as they both did), they would not have been as likely to become tyrants. Yet, others live through the same unfortunate experience, and do not turn toward darkness as they mature. I wonder what makes the difference? An arrangement of neurons, just the right word of support offered at the right time, faith, a compassionate vs. a selfish nature, God?
Tigerpaws9097826 3 months ago
@illestchicano There's truth in what you've said. I recall a writer whose works I read decades ago, who proposed that the Golden Rule - "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" - be revised a bit, to read "Do unto others as they would have done unto them." A dinner of broiled lamb may be a wonderful gift to, some, yet be an offense to a vegetarian.
Tigerpaws9097826 3 months ago
The is no good or evil, only Power !
Star Wars
gregrutz 3 months ago
Man, I need translation to the simple English.
SerJahPhoto 3 months ago
Most profound.
cirby39 3 months ago
@TheK1N1
Being Kind all the time is not the answer nor is what he is saying. Ravi as a Apologetics Preacher always says to follow the example of Jesus. If you read the gospels you would see Jesus was not always kind. he was righteous and so also demonstrated this righteousness at times by a harsh hand, example clearing the temple of stalls and sellers, using a makeshift whip. Raising a child through giving him everything all the time is not good parenting.
ithomesltd 3 months ago
Man is powerless flesh which sins but not necessarily extreme evil.The Bible says God created the knowledge of good and evil neither virtue is one hundred percent in man. Adam ate equal good and evil.So man is not evil. He does not do evil always.But all flesh of man eventually sins, and some men do extreme evil. But to say all men are evil by sin is not Biblically true. Man can do good and does. But he is flesh so he sins while doing good.Flesh without Spirit is unpredictable to do evil or good
polopowers1 4 months ago
Mark 4;12
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Disagree! I thought he is clever, but he is also a stupid religious dreamer. The environment does effect the majority. That is why you see Indians dance like monkeys and Europeans mess around day and night. If you expose the same people to a specific environment and educate them with whatever required, they will become what you have aimed to make them become. This is pure brain and knowledge. The evil is same and vice versa the good. Those who can think and do evil are different. Obama is one!
FarhadTv 4 months ago
@FarhadTv What about evil in your own heart?
jeejopallayi 4 months ago
@jeejopallayi
We see evil when we see christians pretending to drink blood and pretending to eat human flesh.This is cannabalistic and forbidden by God.Yes,Rome has deceived wicked people who accept the very doctrine of evil and of all demonically controlled civilizations.Their gods demanded blood for atonement. Christianity will one day be labeled rightfully a terrorist organization.It is being used for control now, but one day it will fall down when usefulness is over.I for one will be glad.
worksequalsalvation 4 months ago
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@worksequalsalvation Shut up idiot
SANxJONERO 3 months ago
@jeejopallayi Have you seen a baby with having evil intentions? Evil inside is a garbage talk that is told by religious morons. If for example you get raised in a place where everything is kind, you will have a good heart. If you are raised in a jungle and in a society like we are living right now, then you will have both, evil and good heart. You learn evil like everything else, proven by babies and young people. Stop explaining me shit now!
FarhadTv 4 months ago
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
No thanks. I know i'm where I need to be because of what I experience wih the Holy Spirit. I have no need to become apart of another religion. I know Jesus is the way the truth and the light, and the only way to the one true and living God. All I ask is that people not go off labeling what we experience as Christians, and that goes for any other religion. We're not delusional or whatever other crap people say. It's so rude and irritates me to the nth degree.
stormsophia1994 4 months ago
How will you ever understand the impact of the Holy Spirit if you have never completely given yourself to Jesus. A non-Christian person can't understand what a Christian feels when the Holy spirit comes over him/her. It's a very REAL feeling, it cant be compared to schizophrenia or any other mental disorder. When I feel the Holy Spirit, I feel a sort of comfort. When you have schizophrenia you hear voices in your head and see things that are not there...two completely different things.
stormsophia1994 4 months ago
@stormsophia1994 well you have never been a hindu i asume, or a muslim, or in any other religion. and your telling him that he won't understand how REAL it feels to believe in jesus and feel the holy spirit until he tries it. well you won't understand how it is to be a hindu and feel vishnu and shiva and brahma. or feel allah(same god but actually a diffrent god that wants diffrent things). i suggest before u say these things go try being a hindu maybe it will be more REAL to you.
shatukiki 4 months ago
Man is not more evil than good Man is powerless flesh bent on doing things independently of God's Spirit. Adam ate equally evil and good not more evil than good. The greatest evil is to think by human flesh man can approach God in morality and not new birth of Spirit Life.God is not moral but superior Spirit Virtue He is not equal to His law in Holy Character.All flesh is powerless to do only what flesh does.Man is not evil by nature but by knowledge of evil which his flesh is powerless to do.
polopowers1 4 months ago
@MissLaLa2013 I wasn't aware there was a 'correct' way to interpret the bible? Well, im sure each of the thousands of denominations are sure theirs is correct.
luker4459 5 months ago
@luker4459
Christians have the holy spirit who helps them understand. That wouldn't make much sense to a non-Christian; but praying and searching out the author's meaning is how Christians should interpret the Bible. Sounds narrow-minded? If everyone derives Biblical meaning from what they think it says, the Bible is meaningless, because it's all relative truth. Jesus said he came to defend and prove what is true. (Jn. 18:37) So if you have a relationship with him, he will teach you.
TheJoelCox 5 months ago
@TheJoelCox "Christians have the holy spirit who helps them understand"
How do you know that? Probably in the same way that someone with schizophrenia is certain he is actually hearing voices speak to him. Im sure it feels very real to the person.
No offense, but it all just sounds like a crock to me and i have a really hard time working out why anyone would believe any of it. Just because its been the custom for 1000's of years - doesn't make it any more credible.
luker4459 5 months ago
@luker4459 It's not a voice, it's a feeling, it's hard to describe. Whenever I've had the Holy spirit speak to me it's been thru someone else with impossibly awesome timing or I've felt the words, I really can't describe it otherwise.
The "custom" as you say, has had the backing of thousands of years of prophecy, historical accuracy, and personal life changes in ways that no other faith can match. No other faith has a Jesus, no resurrection, no continuous miracles going on today.
ESneed7 4 months ago
@ESneed7 I wonder if the spirit told Swaggart to go to prostitutes and put his enormous cock up their asses?He would say he was filled with holy spirit,mock speaking in tongues and then go see prostitutes.This is blaspheming the holy spirit.Jesus said there is no forgiveness.We know when he yacks about the cross,he is teaching a lie and delusional.He has crossed over to a lie and now will be damned according to Jesus' and the false apostle Paul's words.
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worksequalsalvation 4 months ago
@TheJoelCox Will spirit teach a man to burn his son for a sacrifice?Gen22.This is murder,evil and forbidden.Gen9,Ex20.God Knows hearts and needs no test.God does not tempt with evil.Jm1.God said he Never told someone to do this Jer19:5as told by the liars in the Bible and especially Rome the founders of Christianity with their false apostle Paul leading the charge against the Jews.
Christianity should be labeled a terroristic organization.It is vile and requires pretending drinking blood.
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bgosur 5 months ago
So where was god while all of this "evil" was going on????
did he not know?
did he not care?
was god incapable of stopping evil?
hardinmichael1981 5 months ago
@hardinmichael1981
mans flawed son.
emotimeroski345 5 months ago
behavioral evolution can explain how bad behavior evolves...
ab330 5 months ago
What is "outside" is actually inside. One body "atacking" another body is meaningless. if you want to call it evil....to you it is evil. To another it may be something quite different. To Jesus it was nothing. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust! So what? Nothing Real has changed. There is no life in the ashes or dust! Life is of the Spirit, the flesh is of no avail. The Spirit may imagine evil, but God allows no more than that.
Powerful imaginations we have! Who knows he dreams until he awakens?
1971SuperLead 5 months ago
Our soul is like a door, if you leave yourself open to the sin nature, walking in the flesh, you spiral deeper into that realm that satan dwells. He makes evil appealing, but he nevertheless is out to deceive, kill, and destroy, that is the nature of that beast. Christ came and defeated him, he overcame the flesh, the world and the devil. Where Adam let the door open to sin, Christ came to close it. When you are in the body of Christ you are sealed with His Holy Spirit, and that is Truth.
TheLionessjudah 6 months ago
I bet ravi looks at porn secretly
luker4459 6 months ago
@luker4459 Probably. Until there is constant sanctification of the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't be purged out of our pet sins... I am a Christian yet, I often fall prey to sin. Step by step, little by little, as we are being cleansed by God's words, we are perfected... Even Saints like Peter and Paul, fell prey to the evil desires of hearts... So for you to judge a man according to your standards (perhaps you enjoy porn much as everyone else), isn't it being hypocritical?
gatsbyfaulkner 6 months ago
@luker4459 Why would you say something like that when watching a vid on religion? Your very weird, do you look at porn secretly?
Urfism 6 months ago
@Urfism No, i make no secret of my enjoyment of porn. As an athiest, am i not supposed to listen to what people on the other side of the argument have to say? I like to know both sides
luker4459 6 months ago
@luker4459 You deny God for self justification. You keep searching out these videos to disprove God; to appease the guilt you ALREADY have from watching porn.
Porn is both physically and psychologically damaging, I'm speaking with a person who doesn't know his/her mind has been demented/corrupted.
Urfism 6 months ago
@Urfism How dare you or anyone try and tell me what the mind of such a god would or would not condone when you cant even demonstrate the existence of such a god in the first place. All this boils down to is a bunch of self-proclaimed experts on the mind of god sitting around and making things up based on their own interpretations of ancient text. Why do you think there are so many branches of christianity and so many other religions?
luker4459 6 months ago
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@luker4459 no proof? what about Jesus Christ? if he had not rose from the dead then the witnesses wouldnt have allowed themselves to be tortured and killed for their testimony to the ressurected Christ. how about bible prophecy? check out "walid shoebat prophecy" and youll see the reality of prophetic claims. what about the science? search kent hovind creation seminar.
jamesearlcash500 5 months ago
@luker4459 If all things are meaningless, why do these things concerning God bother you so much? Especially when those who believe in Him tell you that God loves you regardless of what you think of Him.
LittleMonster316 5 months ago
@LittleMonster316 Just because there is no god, and no obvious point to existence itsself - doesnt mean we can't create our own meaning. I enjoy being alive.
If god loves me and everyone else then why doesnt he get rid of satan and hell and everyone can live happily in the afterlife? God is all powerful right? Or is satan more powerful? I find the whole thing to be a joke, like scientology.
luker4459 5 months ago
@luker4459 i dont think you really understand the bible at all
emotimeroski345 5 months ago
@emotimeroski345 I dont think anyone understands the bible. Why is it so open to interpretation? Why can so many people read it and come up with completely contradictory conclusions?
luker4459 5 months ago
Okay I have a question....that is NOT related to the Video.SORRY but most people in here tend to understand the Bible better....I have been told that the "church" is 'spiritual israel'....I do not feel that Gentiles are in any way spiritual israel...NO where in scripture do I remotely find any phase-ology to the church "takingover" as God' anointed...BOTH groups are GOD'S people IF they come to Him IN Faith. any thougths Thank-you
Ogram1000 6 months ago
@Ogram1000 TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU...
Galatians speaks of gentiles becoming God's people through Christ; not taking over the real Israel. God makes His promises and makes them real superbly.
gatsbyfaulkner 6 months ago
@gatsbyfaulkner Thank-you for your reply....I have been told that I have to celebrate "Israel' s feast" and thought that I am not Israel....so why would I do a feast????? Then was said that the "church" is spiritual israel....just do not see it>>>thank you again
Ogram1000 6 months ago
Ravi Zacharias is amazing. He brings such honor to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lazarusrizing 6 months ago
Man is flesh with both the knowledge of good and evil. Adam ate both equally. Man thinks he is more good than evil. Knowledge of good and evil are powerless virtues for man to do. Flesh of man does according to the bent of his fleshly mind. Man estimates what the greater virtue for him is.He ses some good as sentimental and some evil as necessary. Man never discerns both good or evil perfectly. Because man is flesh seeking a righteousness for the pleasure of each individuals bent on reality.
polopowers1 6 months ago
This whole video is a straw-man argument aimed at some supposed secular group that says that people should not be held accountable for their actions because of the way they were brought up. Who is this group? what university actually upholds this idea? Sure all universities explore the nature vs nurture debate but who actually says it's mostly nurture? i have never met them But this is a great way for some christians to show how morally superior they are compared to a nonexistent group of people
TheAlphaPyro 6 months ago
Alan Watts once said something like "If a hooligan knows a little psychology, he can blame his devious actions on his upbringing. And you go to the parents and they say, well, our parents were neurotic too! And it goes down and down to Adam and Eve! Eve blamed the serpent for eating the apple, but the serpent, being a divine being, did not pass the blame. He was wise enough to tell where the present begins."
Tengent 6 months ago
Only through the industrial mass murder of women in concentration camps the size of Auschwitz, and the recreation of womankind through the technology of genetic engineering, can we solve the problem of human evil once and for all.
hijacker050 6 months ago
@hijacker050 This is quite possibly the most asinine comment I have heard in quite a long while. I suggest you take a vacation, preferably somewhere far away from other people, and try to re-connect with reality.
amkaen 6 months ago
My argument would be: Parents
2theothers2 6 months ago
@urnotdafatr … you bible-thumpers crack me up, dude! It's "WOE to you!" … not WHOA
macmarine 6 months ago
@urnotdafatr I love it when religious folks do mind-boggling and hilarious "interpretations" and bend over backwards to justify the bull in religious scriptures … "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword" for me needs no interpretation at all. And it goes along nicely with many other passages of the Bible, where Jesus wants all sorts of folks (including children) dead b/c they work on sabbath or don't worship his holy ass the right way! So, thanks Jeebus, but no thanks!
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MRafh979 6 months ago
@urnotdafatr All of modern neuroscience disagrees with you. Hostility of races is NOT a learned behavior. Scientific studies indicate completely that it is innate. Obviously, you're in waaaay over your head bringing 'Satan and angels' to this discussion. Ridiculous, preposterous. I mean, believe what you want, but just don't expect me to buy it.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
@urnotdafatr You misunderstand what I mean. I meant we do not have brains that are perfectly suited to the 21st centuries style of living. And our primitiveness IS our biggest problem. Our brains that automatically distinguish ingroups from the outgroups, and are subconsciously hostile to them (MRI Scans show parts of the brain light up differently to other races, classes, etc.) have no doubt been the cause for many wars. Also we seem to lack the ability to sway much in our beliefs.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
Jesus was a real badass himself:
Matthew 10:34: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:35-37: "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter- in- law against her mother- in- law; (…). He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." So much for "family values", dude!
macmarine 7 months ago
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Ogram1000 7 months ago
evil is an act, therefor YOU are responsible for your actions.
creapah 7 months ago
'Evil' comes from within, obviously, otherwise there would be nothing fuelling the beginning of the poverty etc. But it is obvious that we don't have 'free will' as such. If you are born under those conditions you are most likely to BE like those conditions. It is our genetic programming and our minds which are still primitive.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan problem with stating no free will means that 1 can not choose goodWE do have a choiceCause the tree of the knowledge of good & evil We can choose goodBUTwe are in and of our self that makes if difficult because.We R the center of our own little world.In that world we want what we want when we want it.1st & foremost POWER...babies cry for it, bullies intimidate for it and power houses whether, government or corporation strive for it POWER is what the SIN was YOU will be like GOD
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@MR1EAR There is no free will in the sense that most people talk about. For example, think of a celebrity, right now. A random celebrity will pop into your head at my prompting. Why did you choose this celebrity? You do not know, and cannot account for why you didn't choose any other. The truth is our brains are just as robotic as a computer. You do things based on a combination of nurturing and genetics- which of those make you 'free'? Thoughts just 'happen' with you having no real control.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan Are you saying that a man who rapes a woman has no control? The woman who murders her child has no control? Really....Norway...was just a thought that happened? come on think....
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@MR1EAR What I am saying is that it wasn't just a 50/50 choice, which is what true free will is about? At one point in our history, homo sapiens raped members of other tribes to spread genes, and there is in fact a gene that predisposes one to rape. Indeed, there are genes that make you a sociopath by increasing the amount of a certain seretonin receptor. Examine what that means. A single genetic change warrants a massive behavior change that we can predict.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan let me just say this:::Paul commends us in Romans12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.REPEAT good and acceptable and perfect...IN THE Garden when GOD did all....IT was GOOD and ACCEPTABLE...Adam and EVE were PERFECT. NOTHING TO mess with the gene pool!!! Evil started there...<they wanted to be like GOD with Power
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@MR1EAR Let me say this: you're insane and use grammar.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan I can't help it we only have 500 characters and they go fast...
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan Plus it's a product of my upbring!!!! It's in my genes!
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan fueling the beginning of poverty??? what??? "free will" as such???and explain "If you are born under those conditions....you are most likely to be like those concitions... genetic programming??? OUR MINDS WHICH ARE STILL PRIMITIVE???? please explain statements.
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@MR1EAR I see you want me to explain my statements. What I mean is that our minds are still primitive. We live in a modern society, but our brains have remnants leftover from when we were neanderthals. For example, we are genetically predisposed to fear and distrust outsiders, something which would have been beneficial back when we were tribes. But now, it makes no sense.
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
@TheBiddleMan #1FEAR is a good thing.IT keeps us safe! This really can go on and on."Evolution"somehow you would think that this would of stopped by now.YOU mean our minds have not kept up with our"thinking"?or is it backwards our "thinking cannot kept up with our MINDS? the jest of this is WHO is responsible for EVIL?>MAN. Jesus made it clear "IF you look with lust you have committed adultery.IF you hate,committed murder one step higher to address our minds our thoughts our thinking.
MR1EAR 7 months ago
EVIL my friend is within and IT was from the beginning.At the garden
MR1EAR 7 months ago
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@MR1EAR 'EVIL my friend is within and IT was from the beginning.At the garden'
The... garden? Who's garden?
TheBiddleMan 7 months ago
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Evil does not exist and hate only exists because people believe in evil. Please stop calling and thinking of things that are bad as "evil". It doesn't exist. I really wish that this thought comes through to as many people as possible. I don't want to see more unnecessary hate and suffering in the world.
mamikodis 7 months ago
the 2of you go back&forth like a yo-yo....WHO has been to Africa? WHO has been to Bangladesh?OR Amsterdam? To go on like you have you both seem to blame EVERYONE but self? EVIL is EVIL from within. OUR appetite dictates HOW we react to certain environments BUT ultimately WE ourselves are the ones to blame...STOP with the Capitalism blaming....IF any of you BUY any thing(especially from 3rd world countries)>YOU ARE A Hypocrite.>YOU are EVIL ..I am EVIL... WE are all EVIL
MR1EAR 7 months ago
@MR1EAR Totally agree with you. I was going to say that. Evil is within, it is not ANY system's fault. You are responsible for what you do!
willph18 7 months ago
@drmontague Notice how your argument puts on display the point these two men are trying to make. You say "because of filfthy capitalism" HA! there you go , its the "add-infinitum" reasoning. always "someone elses fault" the question they ask is where does it stop? you are saying; its' the "capitalists fault, not mine! Humans don;t have tHe problem. Its just the economic systems humans created that make humans act badly! see the error you make here? choices matter human responsibility matters.
willph18 7 months ago
@willph18 It is ignorance not to question the underlying causes of hatred. Look at their pathetic argument about the man taking his son up a mountain, pointing to a town and telling his son his purpose in life is to kill those people. There is no mention of the reason why the man tells his son to kill or the reason for the mans hatred.
DrMontague 7 months ago
@DrMontague reasons=excuses in most cases. People do tyhong because they choose to. I know brainwashing exists. but we cannot use it where it is not applicable in the case for the child, that is brainwashing. but the other case he showed, where the leader himself chose to cheat, it was not brainwashing, it was a wrong choice, what he of his own accord had chosen to do. probably out of "the ends justify the means" reason to save the company. but he was still thrown in jail.
willph18 7 months ago
@willph18 What would you do if you lived in extreme poverty? simply starve to death? These people don't have a choice because our natural instinct is to survive. I gave you an example of Indian families having to prostitute their children.What would you do if you were in their situation?
DrMontague 7 months ago
Does this old fool not realize that capitalist economics demand exploitation of human labour which cause enormous wealth and poverty It was these guy's imaginary god who created the angel that would turn against. If he didn't know this angel would turn against him then this god cannot be omniscient as theists claim. If he did know this angel would turn against him but goes ahead and creates him then this god has to be evil. Try again i old boy your argument sucks.
DrMontague 7 months ago
Mind can become like a devil because of greed, power, possessions, desires, wealth, and making people slaves.
Mind is Devil and it is hell.
iamdavincity 7 months ago
So, by giving us "FREE-WILL" God has lost all power over us already. So why pray to God?
You are more powerful than God with free-will?
Who is God?
God is strong will. It is free will. It is not a person, man, or king high up in the sky and punishes. God is a light. It is free -will.
The Devil and Hell exist only in your mind. You can suffer when you are down, depressed or feeling guilty.
iamdavincity 7 months ago
@iamdavincity Notice how these two old sods never really answer the question e.g. they banter on about Hitler and evil but have they didn't even mention or examine in any depth the reason the German people were so easily manipulated. There was a world economic depression because of filthy capitalism which no doubt these two clowns support. . Millions were suffering. Hitler supported by big business and the propaganda machine of capitalists offered them hope for the future.
DrMontague 7 months ago
@DrMontague there are problems in ANY economic system. (communist and stalin, lenin) it is NOT the economic system that should be blamed. Its the simple "blame game" played once again. why did you kill thos person? hy did you choose to steal all their money and not share it? becasue the "system" made me do it. THis really sould like a toddler blaming their brotehr for somethiiing they did.
willph18 7 months ago
@willph18 What you had in the Soviet Union was not communism it was totalitarianism. During the Wall Street Crash of 1929 Millions in Europe and America were plunged into terrible poverty. How pathetic! people had to starve when there was no shortage of food.. Had to wear rags when there was no shortage of clothes. Had to sleep rough when there was no shortage of bricks for building houses. So what happens the ruling classes i.e. the capitalists get the working classes to blame each other.
DrMontague 7 months ago
@DrMontague your assumption is that socialism would fix this. I agree that ccapitalism has problems. systems can effect the ways people live. mainly beccuase they were created by humans. but they never cause people to mak bad choices. I hate to burst you bubble, and not to say poverty is unfixable, but socialism cannot end poverty. socialism takes money from people that earned it and gives it to people that have nothing. I understand the good intentions of socialism.
willph18 7 months ago
@willph18 You don't understand capitalism. Workers are exploited by capitalists who make vast profits e.g. workers in 3rd word countries hardly earn enough to feed themselves yet they create million if not billions for the capitalists. Now I haven't heard that Western governments are going to pass laws to make the multinationals pay these works a decent wages. It's so easy for people earning good money to tell those who are poverty stricken not to steal.
DrMontague 7 months ago
@DrMontague I agree that capitalism is not the "perfect system, neither is sicoialiam. I was not trying to defend capitalism. I was pointing out that while econimic systems can lead to problems, they should not be the things to blame for every problem that exsts in any given society. you statement "its so easy for them to say "don;t steal" its an excuse for stealing. I get your point. but steal;ing still is wrong.
willph18 7 months ago
@DrMontague America still is not even run on pure capitalism or socialism, it is a mixture of both. there are still welfare programs, and shelters charities, taxes. but the main ideal is to work for what you earn. It does come to a certain point, where someone canl;t start or find a job, that is where welfare comes into play. the dangeer is, that people will "live off of" welfare/socialist programs, and not use them for what tyhey were intended for, to get people on their feet, not a free ride.
willph18 7 months ago
@willph18 Yes the capitalists will put certain buffers in place in order to quell the anger of the masses. In 1929 millions were plunged into poverty because of the wall street crash, millions were unemployed, they had to live out of soup kitchens when there was no shortage of food. Yet people like yourself regard this as normality? And then accuse everyone as being lazy. I gave you the example of people working in sweat shops of western capitalism for starvation wages. Are they lazy?
DrMontague 7 months ago
@DrMontague That is what I was talking about. They are way underpaid and it is unfair. I never said it was okay or good for these people to be working in these conditions. I said before Socialiasm has good intentions and could probably benefit some smaller countries with the systems it provides for free. Stealing is still wrong, I will say that again. pure apitalism in never good. People need help and education.
willph18 7 months ago