Dennis Kucinich on Hardball 01-09-09

[AndreasFalk8]

i thought it was hardball, hardball >:

[kioskvaltare]

They should just give 1000 dollars to everyone in america instead of doing tax cuts. Imagine what It'd do for some.

[nordicprincess1]

Didn't MSNBC stop Kucinich from tv presidential debate?  That was a low point for that network. He's a mountain of great ideas. He is right the first time.

[zenyork]

Evidence = Fact = Truth

[zenyork]

We don't need oil. Research Tesla Technology of wireless transmission of electricity. We are bamboozled into believing that we need oil (Exxon commercials come to mind). Oil is a worthless energy source scientifically, but economically, a meter can be pinned to every drop. That means profits. Free-energy, or rather wireless transmission of electricity world-wide (i.e. Tesla Technology), is earth friendly, human friendly, and drastically progressive (without a meter... i.e. free).

[mopsius]

If these bozos can't undertsand the necessity of nationalizing oil, they are complete incompetents economically.l

[mopsius]

Nationalizing oil will happen anyway eventually. But by that time it will be an emergency.

Do it now rationally and economic recovery will have a chane.

It was high oil prices that led to the collapse of sup-prime and the rest.

It was the trigger.

[mopsius]

Private US oil companies will always sell at the world market price.

This creates a vicious circle that has to be avoided.

Recovery begins, oil prices rise.

The Us is one of the few countries left that has not nationalized oil.

Keeping it private is absurd--lunacy.

[mopsius]

Oil has to be distattaced from collapsing.

Nationalize oil, keep the whole infrastructure expect the predatory aspects, and sell it domestically at just slightly about cost.

That is only forty percent of the oil supply but it will have immediate economic effects on gas and diesel prices, food (insecticide,, herbicide, fuel).

Th most important thing is it will insulate any recovery from the vicious circle of higher oil prices.

Then start drilling offshore and in Alasaka.

[mulefa]

Liten your federal reerve ha tolen your money which i the bank of England. When are you going to do something about it, there even after your 2nd am.

[rcoones102]

Go Dennis! When Bush got the bailout for the banks the Republicans thought it was a good idea. When a stimulus package comes to create jobs for the common people, they balk. Now we know for sure who supports whom. Republicans only support big business and dont give a toss about the people.

[slickrickdarula]

i tottaly agree with: Republicans only support big business and dont give a toss about the people.

sadly i think most dems are also corporatists, not kucinich but most, including obama

[rcoones102]

When Corporations unite with the Government against the people ..... its called Fascism. Corporations and Government controlling and bleeding the people for all the market can bear. This is not Democracy anymore, people are misled by fast talking well financed mouthpieces into voting against their own best interests. I am so disappointed in this country when it comes to the healthcare issue and people going without and the fat cats getting fatter all the while and oil prices are fixed

[slickrickdarula]

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

we agree dude :P and my term corporatist=fascist

different shit same crap

i was just pointing out that imo, dems are also guilty of being corporatists or fascists if you prefer lol

[PersianPaladin]

Why have tax in the first place?

[asefati]

The freeway you took from home to work was not made by a private company it was made by tax payer's money.

[tonylee1973]

Gimme that old time religeon! Gimme that Old time Religeon! Its good enough. What we need to do is manufacture solar panels and elctric cars. We focus on those 2 things.

[drunkenboxer1985]

I dont always agree with Kucinich, but he's a smart, honest politician who really wants to help the American people. He is one of only a few though...*cough* Ron Paul *cough* lol

[strengththroughpeace]

gerald and geraldine and the kids here , there almost bigger than us now , must be all the bananas they are eating , um , where did i put that banana ,,,,

[aquamammal]

Maybe the problem isn't how to get people to buy shit, but to stop these stupid drones (the American public) from blowing money on stupid shit.

Fuck them all.

Sometimes I just want to fight everyone.

Unsustainable, I know.

XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.

[martyR13]

Americans need to buy more? Do I live in fucking bizarro world?

[bennymcfarlane]

Yes. Yes, you do.

[vktrsx]

Agreed, Marty. That is a bizarre notion. Consumption is the official state religion of the US (and celebrities are the high priests).

[tubecoin]

It is not about shuffeling around money, it is about creating wealth for each other..

[1warpig]

we don't need to cut taxes, we need to stop spending money on things that the founders warned us of. We are trying to be a global empire, and it is sinking us.

single payer health care, no more wars, secure the borders, rebuild infrastructure, yeah, and END THE FED.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Denny K when are you going to call Obama out for keeping troops in 140 counties with 700 Military bases while we go broke at home? When will you advocate to cut the size of government?

When will you say a troop surge 8+ years later in Afghanistan is a bit late and we should secure our own borders rather then other nations?

Inflation is the greatest tax we will pay these next years -- If printing more money was a solution Zimbabwe would not have a financial crisis

End the FED

[surferray69]

How can you call someone out.who isn't even the president yet ?

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Thoses comments are for Denny K for backing Obama's policies

Obama = More of W

More Spending on Government

More Endless wars - Obama is not bringing troops home in the 140+ countries we are in nor is he closing down some of the 700 military bases that we are barrowing money to operate

More Bailouts for Wall Street - Obama supports

More Fisa, Unpatriot act

Continued use of the Federal Reserve who is not federal and has no real reserve, only a printing press to devaulue our currency

[surferray69]

we're just switching seats on the titanic.I just thought in all fairness to at least let the guy get inaugurated before he has to take any responsibility for the down fall of the U.S.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

It is many of us giving the opinion that we the people need to stopputting false hope in Government. When Denny K says in this Video we need to support polices of Obama that are sure to do us in I have to call him out

There is no left v. right blame - it is Government

We have the Stupid party and the Evil party(Interchangeable) in control of us.. and when they get together and do something both stupid & evil, they tell us that is that bipartisanship. Like voting to take us to Iraq

[Godgotron]

Whats hoorshpa? sounds yiddish...

[ltexlaw]

As Peter Schiff says, We need to save our money and the government is broke. We can't spend our way to prosperity.Whenever government interferes with the free market, it makes things worse. Smaller government is works best when it governs least.

[deliciousmorton]

a shining example of market dependency.

[belloOo]

i'm usually with kucinich . but he needs to learn a little from ron paul . peter schiff. gerald celente. max keiser.

we are going into a depression. these bailouts won't fix anything. they'll make it worse. we have a dollar crisis coming .

ppl need to save and not spend .

[seabe]

"Save and not spend". You sir, are out of your mind.

[belloOo]

you sir need to educate yourself.

[seabe]

Yes, with Mises Institute, right? *chuckles*

[Lobo8784]

Saving money in an economy based on consumerism? Tell me how that works out.

[seabe]

They can't. These are the same idiots that blindly support Mises Institute, and returning to the gold standard. They've been watching too many Alex Jones videos.

[martyR13]

you save; phony economy collapses; new economy rises from ashes like a phoenix

[Lobo8784]

The phony economy that's been in place for the last 50 years? Okay... how exactly would this new economy work? People just save and that's it -- no economic distribution at all? The truth about our current economy is that there isn't a strong consumer base anymore. It wasn't thirty years ago that we had a strong middle class that put money back into the economy. Unfortunately, this Reagan era of economics has destroyed all of that.

[martyR13]

I don't know, but I do know that an economy of us selling each other things made by foreigners will not last forever; A consumer economy is unsustainable. Nobody is suggesting that people "just save and that's it" It's about leaving behind a life in which shopping is a hobby, and the next best thing is the only thing. Maybe you're right, and this "economy that's been in place for the last 50 years" is the way things should be. Nobody knows, but the people pretending to know keep getting louder.

[Lobo8784]

I do agree that it is currently unsustainable. It used to be that your typical American family could comfortably buy their cars, their house, and all the crap to furnish it. I'm not saying that I am a slam dunk on our perceived economic policy, but it has worked in the past to great success. However, it does require a more fair balance of income amongst Americans. Unfortunately we have not seen that in these past thirty years.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

So you back Central banking rather then Austrian economics while trying to provide a sound currency. You are the same fool who believes NAFTA backs free trade so American entrepreneurs can loose there jobs to nations with little if any regulations on goods and services not to mention the limited tax burden put on them by their forign government.

Please tell the audience what the only two tenured forms of currency are in the Constitution are and why you perfer the Printing press

[seabe]

Well, I'm not a protectionist for one. God bless a World Government if it could ever come into place; nationalism is for the weak.

Yes, I support the Federal Reserve. Oddly enough, we've had fewer and less severe recessions/depressions under it than we did under the gold standard. Of course, this information is useless to you because you ignore reality and wank off to the "free-market", when it was the deregulation that took place under Reagan, Bush, and Clinton that caused this mess.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Protectionist? you cannot collective define trade, commerce and travel with others as a protectionist Philosophy.

We have never had a free market -- there has always been government regulation in the market place disagree? please site a year or time period we have ever had a free market in practice

The Federal Reserve formed in 1913 did not do a thing for the great depression --

Your blind faith in government is foolish -- please site ONE program they are running in the black?

[seabe]

Thank God that we've never had a free market. I never said we did, I said deregulation of the market caused the mess. Go live in Somalia if you'd like a free market, I hear things are just great there.

I said we've had fewer and less severe depressions while under the Fed, I didn't comment on it doing anything for the GD.

"one program they're runnin in the black". This sentence doesn't make sense.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Somalia does not have a free market - their corrupt government controls everything the people have access too

Well if the Fed could not stop the great depression what recesion have they stopped?

Please name one Program the US Government is not loosing money on each year

Again what are the only two tenured forms of currency are in the Constitution?

You know Denny K like other patriots advocates for the Removal of NAFTA, the FED and other governments that give up American sovereignty

[seabe]

Somalia has no government, they are an anarchist regime. I know your types like to ignore reality, but hey, whatever.

Well, it's kind of hard to say if they've stopped any recessions if the recessions didn't come to play, no? What we do know is that there have been less recessions, and less severe recessions while under the Fed than under the gold standard.

"Please name one Program the US Government is not loosing money on each year", again, not making any sense.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Somalia has an Oligarchy --- the people in charge are NOT fighting to abolish all government. They have become the government and are fighting for THEIR own government

The FED did not stop the Recession in the 70s -- did they stop the farmers from loosing everything in the 1980s? No The Federal Reserve is not Federal and it has no Real Reserve.

How do we back our Monetary Policy today -- enlighten us since the other question is to hard to answer

[seabe]

Lol. I believe you mean the "US has an Oligarchy ." That is what you Ron Paul/Alex Jones types like to believe.

I didn't say the Fed stops all recessions, I said that we've had less recessions, and less severe recessions. That makes the third and final time I will say that.

//How do we back our Monetary Policy today//

We don't, there's no need to. America would be a great investment if we used the money for infrastructure and jobs instead of war, death, and destruction.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Stay on topic - Somalia has a Oligarchy I am not debating you if I believe the US does or does not have an Oligarchy

you have nothing more then Blind Faith to say the FED prevented a recession - Please cite a case rather then using blind faith

Our Monetary policy is back by a standard today - If you do not know how just ask

Start with Dwight Eisenhower's farewell speech and study what happened in 1971 with the forming of the Bretton Woods monetary system that we are using today

[seabe]

I'm not a Constitutional literalist, so the idea of forcing STATES (not the Federal government) to use silver and gold is ridiculous.

DK advocates the ending of NAFTA because he is a protectionist of American jobs; I am not. He does not advocate ending the Fed, that's just your hero Ron Paul.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

So you are saying that it is ridiculous to follow the Constiution?

Denny K is for ending the FED. It is clear you Do not even you even know what you are talking about --

Here is Denny K "Federal Reserve, No More Federal Than Federal Express! 01-09-09"

watch?v=J0-oxd7CdU8

tc

[seabe]

To follow it literally, yes, it is ridiculous. Anyone preaching about states' rights while stomping on individual rights isn't a believer in freedom.

He's not talking about ending the Fed you moron, he's talking about putting strict oversight on who we give money to so that they don't use the money we give them for their own bonuses. I mean, it's like you twist what he says to fit your own agenda lol. He even stated we need to "go back to that old religion of FDR."

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

states' rights come from the individual by vote ... else through the representation of those elected --- how is this stomping on individual rights

Do you not believe in checks and balance with the Federal Government?

[seabe]

Mob majority. Why should I be able to get an abortion in Massachusetts and not Idaho because of a law that they put in place? It's stomping on my rights because the people of Idaho want abortion illegal, while MA wants it legal. It should be legal for all.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

That is your problem you want rulings coming from one person or a small group rather then laws coming from the people -- and you are using fear with abortion -- even S.dakota voted in 08 to keep it legal

So if the federal government says it is illegal to smoke marijuana then we cannot?

Do you not see you are advocating for tyranny at the federal level?

If the federal Government changes its mind and make all kids pray at school again will the states not have the right to say no?

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

This is why our founders formed a constitutional republic rather then mob rule democracy.

[JTG730]

abortion will always be a moral issue. the states and especially the federal gov. has a duty to protect life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. death to a baby impedes on those god given rights. you dont have a right to takes others rights.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

Morals are to be decided by the people living it the states and lets hope more people agree with you.

The 10th amendment clearly states:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Abortion, marijuana, Same Sex marriage are not delegated to the US government to decide Constitution nor are they prohibited by the state from ruling on - so the states and people can decide on

[vktrsx]

P4L1776, Read Jefferson's letter to Madison where he said "the earth belongs to the living."

The US is a necrocracy. We're ruled by dead men. It's tyranny of the dead. Jefferson was against it.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

I could not agree more with his comments, "that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living

This is why the Framework of the constitution allows for the living to make changes so the morals of the current society can be applied to those living in it. We have to remember the founders placed few laws upon us and yet gave us the Framework of always having checks and balances in government to represent the current society.

Anyone who is a Nader supporter is a friend of mine.

[vktrsx]

Note the language you're using: "the constitution allows; the founders placed few laws upon us ... gave us the framework."

You've accepted and endorsed the invalid concept that the words of corpses have not only relevance in your life, but authority over it.

I supported Nader insofar as I support anyone having authority over me. He was among the least evil candidates this last round.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

the Constitutions end results are organic - I am endorsing the framework -- Which allows a current society to see fit to make changes that occur within the framework to provide checks and balances for the people.

Libertarian Socialism is interesting as philosophy and perhaps a great one if you could rid Men of our flaws (reality is different Men can be Evil) That said I think my best bet to enjoy this type of great Philosophy you advocate will be in a Leonard Cohen afterworld :)

tc

[vktrsx]

You're still doing it. :-)

..."allows" society. Why are *we* allowing dead men the authority to "allow" us to control our own lives?

As for "checks and balances," that's code for conservatism. The whole thing was set up from day one to protect the status and power of landed white males from "the mob." That's you and me, in case you didn't know. The great magic trick that's been pulled has been to convince us that we're the ones being protected -- presumably from some other mob.

[vktrsx]

I favor abolishing the Senate. It's a conservatizing body. The unspoken but obvious purpose of the Senate is to say "No" when the "people's house" tries to act on their behalf. The Senate are the wise ones, they'll decide if we're doing something silly. We're not capable of self-government (which makes one wonder what the purpose of the whole enterprise is in the first place... oh right, it's to protect the elite from you and me. Well then, they're performing their duties admirably!)

[vktrsx]

This is why, as long as there's going to be a Senate, I want it to be filled with the most "progressive" Democrats possible. (With full understanding that "progressive" in the US is still solidly right of center and chest-puffingly, song-singingly pro-capitalist.)

[vktrsx]

Anyway I'm ranting, but the whole "mobocracy" rhetoric that is so common in the US is just offensive. It assumes that we're a bunch of idiots and savages, just itching to vote our neighbors to the gulags. All the worse because it's Americans saying that about themselves.

Well, I don't think they believe it. They've simply been indoctrinated by the propaganda (the US is as good or better at it than any Nazi or Soviet ever was).

The whole "man is inherently bad" is just self-loathing puritan BS.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

:)

It is personal reflection of ideas from those we admire out of self interest that help form our own philosophies -- My personal philosophy does not grant me the right to impose my self will on others as you advocate for a progressive system which is code word for allowing one person or a few people to decide for many if they are seen to be the intellectual of the day -- by yet another decider of the times.

[vktrsx]

See but you've clearly bought into the right-wing, elitist, capitalist propaganda that equates economic feudalism with "liberty."

Here, allow me to lift your lid and stir in a thought you may never have considered: any government with codified protection of private ownership of resources, like this one, is implicitly capitalist. Thus, I as a socialist have a worldview imposed on me every day that I find abhorrent.

[vktrsx]

This is seen as whining, of course. I'm too ignorant to recognize the majesty of economic feudalism.

Yet, if we had the government I advocate, where such private resource aristocracy was outlawed rather than protected, only the elites who'd been stripped of privilege would have cause to whine.

[JTG730]

You are naive in that you think a socialist system will magically remove all greed/avarice from society or that the have's will suddenly capitulate their possessions; thereby lowering their standard of living. Besides someone has to administer that type of thing, which means those positions will become corrupted eventually if not immediately and it will once again become a monopoly of power.

[vktrsx]

Where did I suggest it was a panacea? That's your own strawman, have fun burning it down.

As to greed, it's a product of scarcity, which is often artificially and intentionally caused.

We are not inherently greedy or "bad" as the puritans suggest. We're the products of our environments, which are all too often shaped for us from ivory towers beyond our control.

It doesn't have to be this way.

[JTG730]

Try right here...

Here, allow me to lift your lid and stir in a thought you may never have considered: any government with codified protection of private ownership of resources, like this one, is implicitly capitalist. Thus, I as a socialist have a worldview imposed on me every day that I find abhorrent.

"Whenever debating allow your adversary to hang themself" it usually doesnt take long if they are not grounded in principle.

Either that or you are confused about the socialist system.

[vktrsx]

I think you're confused about it. But, it's almost certain that we're using different definitions. That's the trouble with online political debates, especially in 500 characters or less.

But where did my lid-stirring comment suggest a panacea? I spoke the truth: when the law protects private ownership of resources, it is implicitly capitalist, which is contingent on such ownership. This says nothing to any utopian visions of socialism.

[JTG730]

As for greed, it is not a product of scarcity so much as it is a product of selfishness and it ultimately stems from an illusion like all other "evil".

The elite, in their own words, feel that all the worlds resources belong to them, seeing all those below them on the economic ladder as useless eaters and thereby need to be eradicated from taking OURS(their own words)

It is not so much that there is a scarcity as there is a hoarding.

[vktrsx]

Note how we use similar language. The disconnect comes when we identify the "elite." For you, I'm assuming they are the "liberal" bogeymen that Rush Limbaugh warns you about. For me, they are guys like Rush.

And seriously, STOP watching Alex Jones videos. He's a card-carrying member of the kook-fringe.

[JTG730]

You are making many many assumptions here, which is fine, but why do it when you could simply ask me? Rush is a well paid bobble head of the establishment and doesnt represent true conservative values. And how could he when the man is a reckless drug addict. Im not caught up in the false left/right paradigm. If you must know im a Libertarian/Constitutionalist, which after much study is the only moral philosophy. Lastly, i tried to prove Alex wrong and couldnt, just couldnt and it made me mad

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

This is why I advocate the Constitution albeit somewhat unfair and at times painstakingly slow It is the Reality of our daily life in America which we live in, and the only way to change our society without force is to change the minds of the people to back new ideas.

If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion.

~ Noam Chomsky

[vktrsx]

It's only the reality because we allow it to be.

We only allow it to be because people still find their lives tolerable.

They only find their lives tolerable because they shut out the horrors around them and desperately seek to maintain their tunnel vision, focused on the next day's work and the next weekend's fleeting glimpse of a life.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

:) good debate -- let me add when you speak with a constitutionalist in the future you may want to rid yourself of using labels of right wing or conservative since they may as well be classical liberal when used.

And I agree 100% -- "that its only the reality because we allow it to be.

We only allow it to be because people still find their lives tolerable." --- afterall what is time?

[vktrsx]

"Constitutionalist" is essentially meaningless. You've got several groups calling themselves constitutionalists who are utterly at odds with one another. How is this possible? Because they all define the term differently.

It's like "freedom": show me a person or group that doesn't claim to advocate it.

The US system *IS* right-wing, because it codifies economic feudalism into law. Almost nobody recognizes this, because we've been propagandized to equate unregulated markets with liberty.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

So I have to ask Should we use the framework we have in place with the Consitution in America to make these need changes in our society or should we make a case for anarchy and disobediance from the majority?

Each could provide and ends to the means in our cases.

[vktrsx]

I need clarification: by "should we make a case for ... disobedience from the majority," do you mean "make a case for the will of the majority to be ignored," or "make a case for the majority to disobey [some other authority, e.g. government]"?

I advocate broad, deep, sweeping changes. Sadly, this isn't going to happen, because the US system is conservative by design and viciously resistant to change. (It was set up to protect elite interests, and they mean to keep it that way.)

[analiasahotmail]

a fetus's rights should not supercede the rights of the woman carrying it.

The very idea is ridiculous.

[JTG730]

You obviously are unfit for freedom at the present moment b/c with freedom comes responsibility and with your above statement, you are clearly immature. A life is not like a pair of shoes you can throw out because they are no longer comfortable. If you are responsible enough to spread your legs you better be responsible enough to care for a child. Abortion is not a substitute for poor judgment.

[vktrsx]

Your claim isn't obvious to me, JTG. In fact I hereby refute it in the strongest possible terms. "Determiner of Fitness for Freedom" is not on any job description I'm aware of, and if there were such a job, you certainly would not be qualified, judging by your intense bias.

[JTG730]

Are you trying to claim that I am a determiner of Fitness? If so,read your above statement and let it sink in. "a fetus's rights should not supercede the rights of the woman carrying it" To me this sounds like a determiner of fitness, as the mother is inherently superior to the child and thus has a reproductive right to end its life.

[vktrsx]

"Are you trying to claim that I am a determiner of Fitness?"

No. You tried to claim that. I called BS. Read your statement and let it sink in.

BTW, a fetus is not a child. This is the primary disconnect between the two camps on this issue. I'm looking forward to when they start cloning humans from dandruff, so we can finally abort that whole "clumps of cells = humans" canard. Indeed, every cell is a potential human. Fetal cells are not special in that regard.

[JTG730]

Ill concede that, however, if you read more carefully next time you'll see my explanation for why one is unfit for freedom. With Limited space I cannot lay out rights/priviledges and how this is intimately connected with freedom. This isnt ME determining who is and who isnt. It is a standard/measuring stick/archetype. Ask yourself this, are you just a clump of cells? and maybe then someone can decide to end your life? With consistency you ultimately come to that conclusion

[JTG730]

BTW, im not one of those people who bomb abortion clinics or look down my nose at someone who has had an abortion. All im saying is that they have to grow up, otherwise by their actions they themselves dont deserve liberty. You must first be responsible. They are intertwined, you cant have one without the other.

If im not clear enough, please point out where, so i can further elucidate.

[vktrsx]

A few points where you were clear all right... clearly self-righteous:

You don't get to define "grown up."

You don't get to determine when a person is "grown up."

You don't get to determine who "deserves liberty" and who doesn't.

You don't get to define "responsible."

You don't get to determine who is responsible and who is not.

You don't get to declare axioms and insist that everyone adhere to them.

[JTG730]

Last exchange as im not looking to change anyones mind, i just like debating and hearing differing views. SO let me re-write what i said...im not one of those people who looks down my nose at someone who has had an abortion. Not a quality of self-righteousness. You seem to be a relativist and I am not. I dont think i may the rules, i think the creator already made those. I just try to follow. I get my que from nature/natures God. I would love to share with you some reading that clears this up.

[vktrsx]

The problem is, I can just as easily postulate a god that demands I torture your family in front of you. Hey, that the moral code of my creator! Who are you to tell me I can't torture your family?!

You can't base a moral code on a fairy tale and demand everyone else live by it.

[JTG730]

We are clearly on different paths here, so i will not further this futile discussion. Ill only leave you with this, i have never read the bible or any other religious text. I too believe they are pieces of literature, allegories, albeit filled with great wisdom. However, being man-made doesnt exclude a creator or creative forces, forces of good, call it what you will. Its the reason we think in dualities:good/evil,love/hate,­light/dark,etc. Good bye and God Bless

[vktrsx]

We think in dualities because there are things that are helpful and things that are harmful. That also happens to be the foundation of morality: "good" = what helps me; "bad" = what harms me. The rest flows from there. There's no need to postulate deities. (We have that foundational understanding for the same reason other animals have it: survival.)

[vktrsx]

Indeed so, Analiasa. In fact, one of the right-libertarian arguments for reproductive rights equates the woman with a property owner and the fetus with a squatter. I don't endorse the argument, because I advocate squatters' rights in the case of the the homeless and unused property, but within the right-libertarian framework it's a sound argument.

It's fun to use this argument against conservatives, though, since they ostensibly share the same views on property, but not reproduction.

[vktrsx]

I should elaborate to say that I do advocate reproductive rights, just not based on that particular right-libertarian argument.

[analiasahotmail]

I find it amusing that the issue has escalated to the point where women's reproductive rights are even being debated in a public forum.

Next we'll debating the right of a man to get a vasectomy.

Utterly ridiculous.

[vktrsx]

Yup I know. :-)

It's the patriarchal society. Most men are absolutely *terrified* of the empowerment of women. It shatters their entire worldview. I just don't get it. I don't feel threatened as a man when a woman is afforded equal rights. Just like I don't feel threatened as a white person when a black person is afforded equal rights; or as a heterosexual if homosexuals are, etc. (Of course, none of those have actually happened yet, I'm speaking hypothetically.)

[Praestantia111]

Abortion doesn't necessarily afford for women's rights. In fact, it perpetuates the patriarchal society by absolving men of any responsibility from the get go. . Once our society starts teaching males from a young age that they are strong if they take care of their children, then we will have it half solved. In the meantime our governments should take care of its children and not shame the mothers for choosing to have children over the fathers' wants. Sweden has a good solid program for kids.

[vktrsx]

"Abortion doesn't necessarily afford for women's rights."

Whatever problems you may have with abortion, I fail to see how they can be worse than the implications of your above statement.

[Praestantia111]

I am not making a moral statement about abortion or the women who choose it. I am merely saying that when women don't have options, then they don't have rights. This statement applies to whether woman wants to terminate her pregnancy or whether she truly wants to keep the baby but percieves that she cannot because of limited means.

[vktrsx]

The implication seemed to be that abortions need to be controlled. Which further implies that there will be controllers. Which further implies you.

If not, then cool. I have no problem with you pouting about your bygone conservative "golden age" over in the corner, as long as you have no designs on the bodies of human females.

[Praestantia111]

I , in no way, meant to imply that abortions should be controlled. The thought never even crossed my mind! The minute that our right to choose anything is taken away, then we are not free. What I am saying is what you are saying and that is we need choice and options. It's not just black and white. Furthermore, I do not consider myself a conservative at all. God strike me down if I come across as one!

[JTG730]

I agree that it is funny in the sense the video has nothing to do with it nor can i remember what started it, but not so ridiculous. I hope right to life is always in the public forum as it will always remain a moral issue. What i do find ridiculous is the equating of a vasectomy to the aborting of a baby. One is birth control before the fact and the other is after. Not the time to be debating.

[vktrsx]

How many babies are aborted each year? I believe it's approximately zero.

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

So you do not follow the constitution big shocker after you have advocated here for a ONE World Government, More NAFTA so other countries can create entrepreneurs rather then Americans and using the FED to control people

The Constitution can be changed -- how does this occur if it is to happen? Did it occur when we stopped using Gold or Silver? No

You are making my case for me - Denny knows the Federal Reserve as it is not helping anyone

watch?v=x5w5eT2gi98

[Patriot4Liberty1776]

How do we back our Monatary Policy today -- enlighten us :)?

Who will control your One World Government that you advocate for?

[DillonX]

Matthews is usually on the ball, but he misses the point when he asks how will employment get people buying cars.

In an earlier time Industrialists came to Henry Ford & complained about the benefits & wages he was paying, because he was forcing them to pay more too.

Paraphrasing Ford: "But if I don't get enough money into their hands, who will buy my cars?"

[gyuri2u]

Kucinch for President (or at least VP)

[GordonWalton]

Dennis believes big government can do good. Too bad good people are never in charge of it.

[analiasahotmail]

Dennis believes that gov't can do good.....he is for effective gov't not bloated gov't. He hates bureacracy as much as we do because the more complicated you make public services, the more money it costs to run them.

[seabe]

Idiots calling Kucinich a "sell-out": Like I told you on another video, this is not Ron Paul's channel, this is Kucinich's. If you're coming on here for conservative ideology, then you're in the wrong place. Since when is it "selling out" when he's following his own ideology? It has nothing to do with selling out, you're just mad that he doesn't fit in with your loopy, insane "hero's" beliefs.

GO KUCINICH!

[daderone]

well said

[snappa52]

Congressman Kucinich and Paul are friends, imagine that? Kucinich is a brave, brave man and anyone who calls him a sellout should ask themselves if they have the balls to take on the mafia in cleveland like he did. That man had a contract out on his life for sticking up for the interests of the people of cleveland. he continues in that spirit of bravery to this day. God bless Congressman Kucinich

[martyR13]

So conservatives and liberals shouldn't share ideas? They should stay behind their separate walls and never communicate, never challenge each others' ideals and ideas? Only talk to people who will reaffirm the beliefs you already have in place? Thanks but no thanks.

[camipco]

Stupidest question out of matthews' mouth "how does giving people jobs get them to buy cars"

[Rustyshackleford08]

I like Dennis but the New deal made things much worst.

[billthebutcher2]

No it didn't.

[Rustyshackleford08]

Oh yeah it did.

[billthebutcher2]

That's a crazy right-wing myth. Nobody serious believes that. Not even close. It's based on one year when FDR moved away from the New Deal and tried to balance the budget, what a joke.

[Rustyshackleford08]

Its NOT a crazy rightwing myth, its fact. Its econmics.

FDR raped teh US dollar of its gold value, destroyed it bt 40 percent in one shot then ordered everyone in the US to give their gold up or go to jail. THATS robbery.

[billthebutcher2]

You guys gotta give it up, it's just embarrassing.

[Rustyshackleford08]

History and facts in this case are sad and embarrassing unfortunetly. Its also embarrassing how people embrace this crook as a hero.

[martyR13]

The thing with the depression is that it's hard to say. The economy is not a lab controlled environment. Many things were tried and not tried, so people are able to draw conclusions that fit in nicely with their ideology.

[mooochael]

I love you Dennis.

DENNIS 2012!

[voteforpeace08]

You want hard questions? - How about asking the PEOPLE to answer (stop putting everything on these politicians)

Ask the 3 million registered Democrats in Forida that did not vote in 2000 -

Ask them WHY they DID NOT VOTE (THREE MILLION IN FLORIDA ALONE - OVER 100 MILLION Nationwide)

ASK WHY 90% of the people can't even NAME their US House REP in their district!!!

YOU WANT REAL CHANGE??

THESE ARE THE REAL SINGLE ISSUES!!!

People - WAKE UP

[scientistwriter]

Fuck you Dennis you fucking sellout. "Support the president and the New new deal." Sell out motherfucker. We might have less police "that is a concern." Fuck you Dennis.

I used to like you but then you switched sides to be even more statist than ever before and for the new dictatorship of the presidency.

Sell out go hang yourself. Like we need more cops....

[TheGiantRobot]

People are going to hide in their houses? What?

We need to keep our eyes on the ball. We need to prevent poverty, that's all. There's no reason for that to be hard. We have a country loaded with resources and workers. If we stop giving tax breaks for trading real estate and start to tax wealth at the same rate (or more) that we tax labor, ownership will fall back into balance. A man with his own land doesn't starve.

[scientistwriter]

dumb fuck

[bennygale]

Let people believe their jobs and their incomes are safe.

They will then spend money. Maybe not as much as before but now they are hanging onto every penny.

They are worried that their own pink slip could come at any minute.

[Diatonic135]

This is softball, not hard ball.

it's propoganda to make the american people Wait, make them give obama Time to Fix the economy.

it's all stall tactics.

[5thDensity]

We're just going to have to wait and see what happens...

[jokerbookshop]

kucinich rocks