Is Islam a religion of peace? Islam is a just system that promotes equality between man and woman by giving more right to the woman, against usury/banking interests, against suicide and terrorism ( Quran says killing 1 innocent is like killing the whole humanity, saving a person, is like saving humanity), quran loves those who build societies and help the poor( each muslim must pay 2.5% of their annual income in charity), Islam is a civilization and noy a political sect. Is Islam peaceful? 100%
Thank you for the upload. The panel for the motion should have had people with more Islamic knowledge. They clearly don't know how to reason either from the Quran or from the Bible! Islam is not a 'religion', it's a way of life. If you go and speak with educated muslims like Hamza Yusuf you will get the REAL THING and not from 4 people who take BBC/CNN as their teacher. FACT is: ISLAM IMPROVES SOCIETY, TERRORISM COMES AS ANGER RESPONSE FROM MILITARY OCCUPATION FOR OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST!
KEEP EVERYTHING WHAT SHE EARN BY HERSELF WHILE THE MAN MUST SUPPORT HER AND THE WHOLE FAMILLIE FINANCIALLY. NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT HEE. THOSE LIARS ARE JUST SAYING THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. THIS IS NOT FAIR AT ALL. BUT ALLAH IS THE CREATURE, HE WILL PUNISH ALL THOSE LIARS. NOT ME WHO WILL PUNISCH, NOT THE ISLAM, BUT ALLAH, LIE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN BUT THE REALITY IS THAT EVIL NEVER EVER WINS AGAINST THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH NEVER.
This is sooooooooo unfair, they should have put people who actually read and know the quran. They are indeed refering to attack. But those attacks was meant and is meant when people attack you. You have the right to defend yourself and to kill everybody who wants you to kill in your own groud. Not to kill innocent people. we helped christians and jews in the past allot. This debate is not fair at all. We are not allowed to kill innocent people at all.PER EXAMPLE IF WOMAN WORKS SHE IS ALLOWED TO
Those who were for motion proved to be a pair of cretinous clowns,who,apparently,were out there to let the other other team humiliate them and all those Muslims sitting there.OBVIOUSLY,they didn't had ANYTHING to say to account for the child marriage/sex in Islam,and it's unimaginable that they wouldn't have known in advance that Muhammad's sex with 9 yr old will be criticized,yet,LAUGHABLY,they muster enough guts to come in front of such a big crowd in support of Islam.
What an excellent debate... I found the whole thing riveting and agreed fully with the outcome - I could not switch off until I had seen the whole thing !
Give me this debate in Iran, Saudi, any muslim country in the middle-east and Asia and then I will say maybe it is totally a religion of peace. Thank you for a brilliant liberating debate where I can without fear think freely and be critical.
Its not about the terrorists. Its about the ideology. Modern nazis arent as bad as they were back in the day and they dont have the same power. Does this mean nazism is now an ideology of peace ? No that would be absurd. Just the same as islam. It doesnt matter how many terrorists there are or how many moderates there are. The ideology remains the same born from blood and war in the desert and can be interpreted in that original form. It has to be reformed for this all to end.
hmm... well people can say what they want but think about it, the picture you have about islam is not the way i consider my religion, and since i live in Denmark i should be apple to talk about what islam says and what its people says :O see there is not only 1 way to be a muslim, and sure you know that because i would never say: Hey see that Anders Breivik hates muslims and actually think that we are going to make the whole world islamic... how come muslims dont jugde all christians for that?
The world acknowledges Ayaan Hirsi Ali 'ex-muslim', who was abused,was forced to marry a man,had to run,got the support from the west 'oh-poor-girl-u had-it-rough' point-of-view' and let her do her anti-muslim, anti-faith rap?How many Ayaan Hirsi Ali's did we see?She's idd one of a kind,cuz she's the only one.There aren't much muslims who leave their faith. Hmm why is that?that's fishy?Where does she get the right to judge 1.5 billion moslims to be in the wrong violent religion? Go islam, A.S.
@autlaw80 1.5 billion muslim or pisslim whatever its is but doesn't mean their medieval ideology can't be criticized. anyway don't forget that total world population is now over 7 billion. and all non muslim, atheist, doubting thomas everyone hate islam and its political filthy ideology. islam is a cunt and its should be wipe out from the face of earth. and at last u pisslim crap go and buy condom and stop making ur wife pregnant every year. u moslim people r breeding like mosquitoes
@TheAntilam that is as far as i can communicate with u. From here on out its all jibberish coming out of u. Altough i like a good discussion, u'r not a real challenge. R U?
Fishy ? What I find much more fishy is, that Islam's penalty for apostasy is : DEATH. I think that is a much better explanation for what we see or don't see. And by the way .. she's not the only one, she has just been given special attention because she was in the Netherlands when the political murders of Islam criticis took place (Fortuyn and van Gogh) and she was on the killing list as well.
@sooperfukker the human being is and will always be free in his choices, that also count for religion.
Miss Ali is free to dislike the Islam. For those who don't know anything , try to research deeper in history before you start accusing the islam as a evil religion. Peace out
It's very ridiculous by muslim side to make an attempt to justify something which could never be justified on the ground,,the evil acts could never be justified on the ground by denial and ignorance and lies,,in fact all the world and including muslims know that islam is not the religion of peace,it's non debatable issue,white is white,black is black
@lucyana222 , maybe you people should start calling white a white, and a black a black, instead of being hipocrites.
Most religions aspire peace, untill someone starts attacking them, because its strange, because it doesnt fit your world picture, because they look barbaric, etc etc...
In Iraq people were terrorized by american soldiers and started on a killing spree, the iraqi people opposed them. And then they became terrorists. Terrorists or saviors, its just a point of view from were u look
Being a devout muslim is a highly delusional state of mind? would you mind telling me the perfect way to live? i mean since islam isn't good enough. then what is?the way you live?hating so many people would kill me. we people need to know that we are save, that behind all your hate there is a little kindness. your are human and do you know what?i reject to hate you. you should really know us better than that. we love to argue and speak with others. especially people like you. btw are you danish?
1st) This is the 2nd reference to denmark. What is this fuss about ?
2nd) I doubt that there is a perfect way to live, but one this is crystal clear : Selling your working mind to an ancient fairy tale can not be the way to go.
I have to pay some respect to the christian culture, not only because it was a strong force of development but also because it became emancipated from the clergy and its interpretive dominance over the faith. When I look at Islam, I see none of that.
2) you HAVE to pay some respect to those that we call brothers and sisters as well?!! because they are no longer christians by faith but only bacuse they want to keep the culture and the happy moments when they are together (which is not often) i do also respect christian but we are not talking the same types of christians bacuse those your talking about have emancipated from interpretive dominance over the faith which is what Christianity is about!
And no, I don't owe anyone any respect for his or her religion. In reality, when someone sais "I'm a believer", all I can hear is "I am mentally challenged" and that's no reason for respect.
You're in Denmark, you're close enough to know that the right wing extremists are hooraying Anders Breivik for his doings and even normal people accept his basic views. It's pretty safe to say that the just hostility towards anything "moslem" will increase to a point, where Islam gets annhiliated.
@sooperfukker u should also look at the Christian Crusaders, that was hillarious. What a laugh that was. Murderers on horses. Oops did i just touch something?
Reference to denmark , because: one guy fills him self so up with hate, and he litteraly explodes. Innocent people pay the price, thats whats going on in Denmark.
and i want you to defend this: when a person fight for his family when they are in danger and he rescue the family, his is a hero, but when a muslim fights for millions of people against (for example) the great power U.S.A then he is a theorist? how come?
They make things their business, which are not. And that's especially bad when they blindly side with their "muslim brothers", who commit the most evil crimes. The idea of the "ummah" is a fascist one, totalitarian, blind of any circumstances and violent to the bone, because it has no other purpose than to divide people and tell you whom to hate and kill.
Simple people are surely attracted by that, proper thinkers on the other side cannot bond with that.
@sooperfukker and you think its simple people that makes you blind? see thats when it gets funny... you think those "muslims brothers" are real muslims but have you ever been thinking about how they make people think that Islam is killing people, torture and that thats suppose to be good! have you thought of the self-contradictory they represent? and make things their business? think twice if you think that muslims live in boxes like people in the west... when you need help you will get it!
hmm... i'am actually in that position because thats a right that i have (also in islam you have the permission to feel sorry for those that dont believe in anything) you know l'm very curious about what a person like you would believe in.. i mean things like faith, sience, love or nothing at all? and who decides who is woth the 21st century or not? You? god? satan? if not then how can you say that muslims are lower than other just for beacuse they fight for their faith? tell me!
Muslims are not "lower", they are simply "out of touch". There is only 1 civilised society on this planet, the so called "western culture"; responsible for the ongoing development of all aspects of life, from science to technics and medicine, to philosophy, art and sociology.
All other cultures are either trying to adapt these ways, because they know that this is the only way into the future and others .. well, a few others reject it and get caught in their standstill. Guess who.
@sooperfukker sorry to tell you but those states that are called muslims states makes their own rules or they go the wrong way: just look at Turkey.. longing to become a European country but still they are standing outside! the west would never let a country with so many muslims in it become a part of EU or anything like that. and its America that makes others bussiness their own: Afghanistan, Irag, gaza, isreal, and now they want to help syria that have suffered since that fool got the power
@habibo93 Well, it's correct to say that the USA has commited many crimes and has dealt with stuff, which they "thought" were their political business.
However, there is a fundamental difference between them and muslim imperialism. The muslims are out there to take control over other peoples' lives, lead by a nonsensical and evil ideology that commands them to do so. Raping children, throwing acid in the faces of women, stoning women for getting raped and all that ... shows how insane Islam is.
pathetic how they "make" them win... well what can i say? this was funny to watch but still i know that many people in the world are muslims and good people that believe in god... god bless those that dont :) god bless sooperfukker... i feel sorry for you and your kind :) may god give you peace! and may you become a good muslim the day you realise the truth in ISLAM!!
Admitted, this "vote" is pretty silly (and manipulatable), but the topics are interesting and the discussions are revealing a lot about the issues.
And no, habibo93, you're not in the position to feel sorry for anyone but yourself. I'm absolutely sure there are people in lunatic asylums, who feel pity for all people outside of it, but that doesn't change reality and reality is simple :
Being a devout muslim is a highly delusional state of mind and unworthy of the 21st century.
Alright Debate, wanted a lil hitch or harris but still good.
I hate the floundering by the religous folk, "You can interpret Islam in violent or peaceful, it is up to the indivisual"....well its not a religon of peace then is it! If you can interpret the quran to mean whatever you want....just skip a step, leave the quran out of it, and say what you think.
@sooperfukker Aren't intellectuals always "self proclaimed"? Is there any non-subjective reference, by which to decide who's an intellectual, and who isn't?
After watching all 8 videos, I'm glad to see Ayaan and Murray won. I thought for sure the NY'ers in the audience would vote for the other side the way they've voted for people such as Hillary Clinton as Senator, Bloomberg as Mayor, etc.
Funny how these advocates for Islam are blissfully unaware of how totally their minds and personalities have been shaped by the Judeo-Christian ethics of their adopted countries where they were mostly raised and educated and not by the Islam of their countries of origin. Yet they just can't bring themselves to let go of this evil religion. Why do you think that is ?
@albedoshader Hello .. thank you for your comment .. the Enlightenment was made possible in an environment where (a) it was commonly assumed that man is "made in the image of God" (Genesis 1:26)and (b) therefore the prevalent thinking was that the creation followed a pattern which is personal and rational like the Creator.
@celal777: To be honest, the enlightenment movement was a hard struggle against the (Christian) churches. The Christian churches eventually accepted the conclusions in the 20th century, like they accepted natural sciences and their conclusions (like evolution, astronomical findings, physics) almost completely (except a rather weak obvious “creationist” standpoint). The Vatican even has an Observatory led by actual scientists, that’s more than most US creationist and ID folk are ready to accept.
@albedoshader: I don’t dare say anything about the Jewish standpoint during the time because I don’t know much about it. But I know that e.g. philosophers with Jewish background, like Baruch/Bento de Spinoza (17th century) were quite progressive for their time—in certain respects.
@albedoshader my study of history teaches me that rational inquiry after the middles ages began with the Reformation of Luther and Calvin .. these were Christian movements against the Aristotelian world view of the Roman Catholic hierarchy (which actually persecuted people like Galileo for basically the same reason as they persecuted Protestants).
these muslims guys are sick? someone even try to compare a constitution lay with some life guidance lays supposely coming from a GOD!! you could see the audience bitting their lips hearing that fool. mohammad" was a sex addict. the best beheader ever. a thieft. a slaves dealer. some kind of GOD prophet did not know he was up ti die. the only prophet did not have nor prouve any divine power. you gotta be kidding me mohammad couldn't even survive a micro hair falling from JESUS head
@Fravahar im not one of those these dickheads that loves to point out spelling mistakes for ridicule, but i just wanted to let u know its spread not spreaded, and congrats on leaving islam
A really great debate. The result was simply astounding. A huge win for the opposition.
While I do to some extent sympathise with the people arguing FOR the motion, I also was a bit dissapointed by their persistance to dodge the questions directed at them of how the simply are able to throw all the violent verses away, and if they are "allowed" to so in the first place.
Thanks for uploading this, this really made my day.
The fact that the side against agreed Islam could be a peaceful religion completely invalidates their historical arguments, as well as the arguments pertaining to Koranic verse's of violence and the actions of Mohammad. How could those arguments retain validity, and Islam be a peaceful religion if those arguments were used to prove that Islam is not a peaceful religion. If they believe their arguments to be true, than Islam can never be peaceful. Looks to me like they proved themselves wrong
If you wanted to compare Islam and Christianity, you would have to admit that Christianity has changed profoundly by the New Testament, the Reformation and the European Enlightment process.
Unfortunately, no such changes have been made to the Islamic faith, so it remains in its original violent and raw form.
And as long as it remains unchallenged and unchanged, it cannot be a peaceful religion, because its core still longs for domination and justifies violence in its name.
The real question is : Is it possible at all, that Islam could go through a similar change as Christianity in the future ?
Will peaceful muslims be brave enough to CHALLENGE the Koran's ill core and will they be brave enough to put Mohammed's personality into perspective, refuting lots of his ways ? If so, then there is hope.
@kbdkbd99 don't know who's comment you're reading, but i never said that Islam is not a religion of peace. And Irshad comes from my community (Shia Ithna Asheri Jamat of Toronto), and so i am somewhat familiar with her already. and btw, my community is very forward thinking and most importantly, peaceful. If only communities like mine got more publicity than the other psycho so-called Muslims.... (i still have some issues with my own communities beliefs but i suppose no one's perfect)
@ShaTR2 the answer is incredibly simple. Islam CAN be a religion of piece if it goes through the enlightenment phase where modern scholars take away violent verses due to modern concept stating that in modern times they simply do not apply. That is the point they were making, so the argument was absolutely valid
The side against seemed a little naive in their understanding of peace. Every single country, people, religion, etc have had a history of violence. We humans, as animals in this world, have violent instincts and characteristics. What group would be definable as peaceful, and where is the line drawn?
Ms. Hirsi made an interesting comment; "no monotheistic religion is peaceful". By equating Islam to Judaism and Christianity, she in theory argued the point that neither of those religions are "A religion of peace" as it were. I wonder how this would have turned out had either of those religions been the topic of debate.
they did pretty good stating the fact that neither of them were of any faith, it does kinda of seem that she was attacking all monotheistic religons. Two things wrong with this, it emphesizes that all polytheistic faths are peacful, and it negates the actual teachings of Jesus, a man who, from I remeber, never killed any one, well maybe when he got mad at that Church who were sucking people form money.
Maajid Nawaz was extremely naive and unintelligent in his acceptance to take part in this 'debate'. Ms Hirsi Ali made some mediocre comments; anyone who's studied Islamic sciences and its history could have rebutted her with relative ease.
Is Islam a religion of peace? Islam is a just system that promotes equality between man and woman by giving more right to the woman, against usury/banking interests, against suicide and terrorism ( Quran says killing 1 innocent is like killing the whole humanity, saving a person, is like saving humanity), quran loves those who build societies and help the poor( each muslim must pay 2.5% of their annual income in charity), Islam is a civilization and noy a political sect. Is Islam peaceful? 100%
humanadvice 1 day ago
UNFAIR DEBATE.
humanadvice 1 day ago
Thank you for the upload. The panel for the motion should have had people with more Islamic knowledge. They clearly don't know how to reason either from the Quran or from the Bible! Islam is not a 'religion', it's a way of life. If you go and speak with educated muslims like Hamza Yusuf you will get the REAL THING and not from 4 people who take BBC/CNN as their teacher. FACT is: ISLAM IMPROVES SOCIETY, TERRORISM COMES AS ANGER RESPONSE FROM MILITARY OCCUPATION FOR OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST!
humanadvice 1 day ago
Islam is a religion of peace? Sure it is. Unless of course you doubt that...
TomFynn 2 weeks ago
KEEP EVERYTHING WHAT SHE EARN BY HERSELF WHILE THE MAN MUST SUPPORT HER AND THE WHOLE FAMILLIE FINANCIALLY. NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT HEE. THOSE LIARS ARE JUST SAYING THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. THIS IS NOT FAIR AT ALL. BUT ALLAH IS THE CREATURE, HE WILL PUNISH ALL THOSE LIARS. NOT ME WHO WILL PUNISCH, NOT THE ISLAM, BUT ALLAH, LIE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN BUT THE REALITY IS THAT EVIL NEVER EVER WINS AGAINST THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH NEVER.
acacius001 3 weeks ago
This is sooooooooo unfair, they should have put people who actually read and know the quran. They are indeed refering to attack. But those attacks was meant and is meant when people attack you. You have the right to defend yourself and to kill everybody who wants you to kill in your own groud. Not to kill innocent people. we helped christians and jews in the past allot. This debate is not fair at all. We are not allowed to kill innocent people at all.PER EXAMPLE IF WOMAN WORKS SHE IS ALLOWED TO
acacius001 3 weeks ago
Ayaan and Douglas very honestly and straightforwardly debated the topic... This was very enlightening
45Sunny54 1 month ago
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LlLChubby 1 month ago
Those who were for motion proved to be a pair of cretinous clowns,who,apparently,were out there to let the other other team humiliate them and all those Muslims sitting there.OBVIOUSLY,they didn't had ANYTHING to say to account for the child marriage/sex in Islam,and it's unimaginable that they wouldn't have known in advance that Muhammad's sex with 9 yr old will be criticized,yet,LAUGHABLY,they muster enough guts to come in front of such a big crowd in support of Islam.
LlLChubby 1 month ago
What an excellent debate... I found the whole thing riveting and agreed fully with the outcome - I could not switch off until I had seen the whole thing !
Well done.
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menxox1 1 month ago
I inviting u all to coming CH
Purity51 2 months ago
Give me this debate in Iran, Saudi, any muslim country in the middle-east and Asia and then I will say maybe it is totally a religion of peace. Thank you for a brilliant liberating debate where I can without fear think freely and be critical.
regalsmartie11 2 months ago
@regalsmartie11 Do you really think the debate in this form would've been possible in a muslim country without violent outbursts ?
sooperfukker 1 month ago
A bit of a depressing result really but it could have been worse I guess. Why call a spade a spoon when it's so obviously a spade?
rw9259 4 months ago
Its not about the terrorists. Its about the ideology. Modern nazis arent as bad as they were back in the day and they dont have the same power. Does this mean nazism is now an ideology of peace ? No that would be absurd. Just the same as islam. It doesnt matter how many terrorists there are or how many moderates there are. The ideology remains the same born from blood and war in the desert and can be interpreted in that original form. It has to be reformed for this all to end.
louiscfc93 4 months ago
Crowd full of clueless people.
CHRISTIANABUSED 6 months ago
@CHRISTIANABUSED
idd very clueless
autlaw80 5 months ago
hmm... well people can say what they want but think about it, the picture you have about islam is not the way i consider my religion, and since i live in Denmark i should be apple to talk about what islam says and what its people says :O see there is not only 1 way to be a muslim, and sure you know that because i would never say: Hey see that Anders Breivik hates muslims and actually think that we are going to make the whole world islamic... how come muslims dont jugde all christians for that?
habibo93 6 months ago
The world acknowledges Ayaan Hirsi Ali 'ex-muslim', who was abused,was forced to marry a man,had to run,got the support from the west 'oh-poor-girl-u had-it-rough' point-of-view' and let her do her anti-muslim, anti-faith rap?How many Ayaan Hirsi Ali's did we see?She's idd one of a kind,cuz she's the only one.There aren't much muslims who leave their faith. Hmm why is that?that's fishy?Where does she get the right to judge 1.5 billion moslims to be in the wrong violent religion? Go islam, A.S.
autlaw80 7 months ago
@autlaw80 1.5 billion muslim or pisslim whatever its is but doesn't mean their medieval ideology can't be criticized. anyway don't forget that total world population is now over 7 billion. and all non muslim, atheist, doubting thomas everyone hate islam and its political filthy ideology. islam is a cunt and its should be wipe out from the face of earth. and at last u pisslim crap go and buy condom and stop making ur wife pregnant every year. u moslim people r breeding like mosquitoes
TheAntilam 6 months ago
@TheAntilam that is as far as i can communicate with u. From here on out its all jibberish coming out of u. Altough i like a good discussion, u'r not a real challenge. R U?
autlaw80 5 months ago
@autlaw80
Fishy ? What I find much more fishy is, that Islam's penalty for apostasy is : DEATH. I think that is a much better explanation for what we see or don't see. And by the way .. she's not the only one, she has just been given special attention because she was in the Netherlands when the political murders of Islam criticis took place (Fortuyn and van Gogh) and she was on the killing list as well.
sooperfukker 6 months ago 8
@sooperfukker the human being is and will always be free in his choices, that also count for religion.
Miss Ali is free to dislike the Islam. For those who don't know anything , try to research deeper in history before you start accusing the islam as a evil religion. Peace out
autlaw80 5 months ago
It's very ridiculous by muslim side to make an attempt to justify something which could never be justified on the ground,,the evil acts could never be justified on the ground by denial and ignorance and lies,,in fact all the world and including muslims know that islam is not the religion of peace,it's non debatable issue,white is white,black is black
lucyana222 7 months ago
@lucyana222 , maybe you people should start calling white a white, and a black a black, instead of being hipocrites.
Most religions aspire peace, untill someone starts attacking them, because its strange, because it doesnt fit your world picture, because they look barbaric, etc etc...
In Iraq people were terrorized by american soldiers and started on a killing spree, the iraqi people opposed them. And then they became terrorists. Terrorists or saviors, its just a point of view from were u look
autlaw80 5 months ago
Being a devout muslim is a highly delusional state of mind? would you mind telling me the perfect way to live? i mean since islam isn't good enough. then what is?the way you live?hating so many people would kill me. we people need to know that we are save, that behind all your hate there is a little kindness. your are human and do you know what?i reject to hate you. you should really know us better than that. we love to argue and speak with others. especially people like you. btw are you danish?
habibo93 8 months ago
@habibo93
1st) This is the 2nd reference to denmark. What is this fuss about ?
2nd) I doubt that there is a perfect way to live, but one this is crystal clear : Selling your working mind to an ancient fairy tale can not be the way to go.
I have to pay some respect to the christian culture, not only because it was a strong force of development but also because it became emancipated from the clergy and its interpretive dominance over the faith. When I look at Islam, I see none of that.
sooperfukker 8 months ago
@sooperfukker 1) sorry i was just curious...
2) you HAVE to pay some respect to those that we call brothers and sisters as well?!! because they are no longer christians by faith but only bacuse they want to keep the culture and the happy moments when they are together (which is not often) i do also respect christian but we are not talking the same types of christians bacuse those your talking about have emancipated from interpretive dominance over the faith which is what Christianity is about!
habibo93 8 months ago
@habibo93
And no, I don't owe anyone any respect for his or her religion. In reality, when someone sais "I'm a believer", all I can hear is "I am mentally challenged" and that's no reason for respect.
You're in Denmark, you're close enough to know that the right wing extremists are hooraying Anders Breivik for his doings and even normal people accept his basic views. It's pretty safe to say that the just hostility towards anything "moslem" will increase to a point, where Islam gets annhiliated.
sooperfukker 6 months ago
@sooperfukker u should also look at the Christian Crusaders, that was hillarious. What a laugh that was. Murderers on horses. Oops did i just touch something?
Reference to denmark , because: one guy fills him self so up with hate, and he litteraly explodes. Innocent people pay the price, thats whats going on in Denmark.
autlaw80 5 months ago
and i want you to defend this: when a person fight for his family when they are in danger and he rescue the family, his is a hero, but when a muslim fights for millions of people against (for example) the great power U.S.A then he is a theorist? how come?
habibo93 8 months ago
@habibo93
Pretty easy to answer ...
They make things their business, which are not. And that's especially bad when they blindly side with their "muslim brothers", who commit the most evil crimes. The idea of the "ummah" is a fascist one, totalitarian, blind of any circumstances and violent to the bone, because it has no other purpose than to divide people and tell you whom to hate and kill.
Simple people are surely attracted by that, proper thinkers on the other side cannot bond with that.
sooperfukker 8 months ago
@sooperfukker and you think its simple people that makes you blind? see thats when it gets funny... you think those "muslims brothers" are real muslims but have you ever been thinking about how they make people think that Islam is killing people, torture and that thats suppose to be good! have you thought of the self-contradictory they represent? and make things their business? think twice if you think that muslims live in boxes like people in the west... when you need help you will get it!
habibo93 8 months ago
hmm... i'am actually in that position because thats a right that i have (also in islam you have the permission to feel sorry for those that dont believe in anything) you know l'm very curious about what a person like you would believe in.. i mean things like faith, sience, love or nothing at all? and who decides who is woth the 21st century or not? You? god? satan? if not then how can you say that muslims are lower than other just for beacuse they fight for their faith? tell me!
habibo93 8 months ago
@habibo93
Muslims are not "lower", they are simply "out of touch". There is only 1 civilised society on this planet, the so called "western culture"; responsible for the ongoing development of all aspects of life, from science to technics and medicine, to philosophy, art and sociology.
All other cultures are either trying to adapt these ways, because they know that this is the only way into the future and others .. well, a few others reject it and get caught in their standstill. Guess who.
sooperfukker 8 months ago
@sooperfukker sorry to tell you but those states that are called muslims states makes their own rules or they go the wrong way: just look at Turkey.. longing to become a European country but still they are standing outside! the west would never let a country with so many muslims in it become a part of EU or anything like that. and its America that makes others bussiness their own: Afghanistan, Irag, gaza, isreal, and now they want to help syria that have suffered since that fool got the power
habibo93 8 months ago
@habibo93 Well, it's correct to say that the USA has commited many crimes and has dealt with stuff, which they "thought" were their political business.
However, there is a fundamental difference between them and muslim imperialism. The muslims are out there to take control over other peoples' lives, lead by a nonsensical and evil ideology that commands them to do so. Raping children, throwing acid in the faces of women, stoning women for getting raped and all that ... shows how insane Islam is.
sooperfukker 6 months ago
@sooperfukker That's called projection in psychology.
autlaw80 5 months ago
pathetic how they "make" them win... well what can i say? this was funny to watch but still i know that many people in the world are muslims and good people that believe in god... god bless those that dont :) god bless sooperfukker... i feel sorry for you and your kind :) may god give you peace! and may you become a good muslim the day you realise the truth in ISLAM!!
habibo93 8 months ago
@habibo93
Admitted, this "vote" is pretty silly (and manipulatable), but the topics are interesting and the discussions are revealing a lot about the issues.
And no, habibo93, you're not in the position to feel sorry for anyone but yourself. I'm absolutely sure there are people in lunatic asylums, who feel pity for all people outside of it, but that doesn't change reality and reality is simple :
Being a devout muslim is a highly delusional state of mind and unworthy of the 21st century.
sooperfukker 8 months ago
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habibo93 8 months ago
Alright Debate, wanted a lil hitch or harris but still good.
I hate the floundering by the religous folk, "You can interpret Islam in violent or peaceful, it is up to the indivisual"....well its not a religon of peace then is it! If you can interpret the quran to mean whatever you want....just skip a step, leave the quran out of it, and say what you think.
shandcunt 10 months ago
@1parko Agree with your comment except; Stating No Monotheism is peaceful does not even suggest that polytheism is peaceful.
For Instance Unicycles are not peaceful, therefor Bicycles are Peaceful?
To attain Peace it could be the case that it doesn't matter how many gods you believe in? Or it could be the case that you need to believe no gods?
that was all, small point, kinda irrelevant
shandcunt 10 months ago
Lets just say...
Thanks God i skipped the full debate because i expected such result.
asianblood07 11 months ago
Well, the media is a powerfull tool. I am sure no one of the audence has read one verse of the Quran or read about the life of the prophet ....
Algeriandude1 11 months ago
@Algeriandude1
Don't underestimate how much free time these self proclaimed intellectuals have.
sooperfukker 11 months ago
@sooperfukker Aren't intellectuals always "self proclaimed"? Is there any non-subjective reference, by which to decide who's an intellectual, and who isn't?
Skoda130 9 months ago
It should have been 100% against the motion.
222rod 11 months ago
Gret debate!
Olivia2011ish 1 year ago
After watching all 8 videos, I'm glad to see Ayaan and Murray won. I thought for sure the NY'ers in the audience would vote for the other side the way they've voted for people such as Hillary Clinton as Senator, Bloomberg as Mayor, etc.
There is hope after all.
Anchored87 1 year ago
REMEMBER the black woman stood up to give her hand to the Muslims.... the Muslims sat down...... goes to show humanism shines brighter than religion
CyprusHot 1 year ago
The final result clearly shows how discussion, education and having an open mind can affect peoples views! terrific!
sensur1 1 year ago
Glad to see people actually listened to the arguments and didn't try to be politically correct.
98nafets 1 year ago
Funny how these advocates for Islam are blissfully unaware of how totally their minds and personalities have been shaped by the Judeo-Christian ethics of their adopted countries where they were mostly raised and educated and not by the Islam of their countries of origin. Yet they just can't bring themselves to let go of this evil religion. Why do you think that is ?
celal777 1 year ago 20
@celal777: Not Judeo-Christian but ethics made possible by the enlightenment, if you take contemporary ethics.
albedoshader 4 months ago
@albedoshader Hello .. thank you for your comment .. the Enlightenment was made possible in an environment where (a) it was commonly assumed that man is "made in the image of God" (Genesis 1:26)and (b) therefore the prevalent thinking was that the creation followed a pattern which is personal and rational like the Creator.
celal777 4 months ago
@celal777: To be honest, the enlightenment movement was a hard struggle against the (Christian) churches. The Christian churches eventually accepted the conclusions in the 20th century, like they accepted natural sciences and their conclusions (like evolution, astronomical findings, physics) almost completely (except a rather weak obvious “creationist” standpoint). The Vatican even has an Observatory led by actual scientists, that’s more than most US creationist and ID folk are ready to accept.
albedoshader 4 months ago
@albedoshader: I don’t dare say anything about the Jewish standpoint during the time because I don’t know much about it. But I know that e.g. philosophers with Jewish background, like Baruch/Bento de Spinoza (17th century) were quite progressive for their time—in certain respects.
albedoshader 4 months ago
@albedoshader my study of history teaches me that rational inquiry after the middles ages began with the Reformation of Luther and Calvin .. these were Christian movements against the Aristotelian world view of the Roman Catholic hierarchy (which actually persecuted people like Galileo for basically the same reason as they persecuted Protestants).
celal777 4 months ago
shalimaar444 1 year ago
@biggidy, thx english is my third language after persian and geramn, so i make some mistakes thx
Fravahar 1 year ago
as iranian, i know exactly the history of islam, the history of islam is PURE VIOLENT, full of war and genocides,
islam has been spreaded not by love or repspect, islam has been spreaded by blood an sword
so i REJECT and Deny islam totally
payandeh bad iran
Fravahar 1 year ago
@Fravahar im not one of those these dickheads that loves to point out spelling mistakes for ridicule, but i just wanted to let u know its spread not spreaded, and congrats on leaving islam
biggidy1st 1 year ago
A really great debate. The result was simply astounding. A huge win for the opposition.
While I do to some extent sympathise with the people arguing FOR the motion, I also was a bit dissapointed by their persistance to dodge the questions directed at them of how the simply are able to throw all the violent verses away, and if they are "allowed" to so in the first place.
Thanks for uploading this, this really made my day.
TheGeekySkeptic 1 year ago
The fact that the side against agreed Islam could be a peaceful religion completely invalidates their historical arguments, as well as the arguments pertaining to Koranic verse's of violence and the actions of Mohammad. How could those arguments retain validity, and Islam be a peaceful religion if those arguments were used to prove that Islam is not a peaceful religion. If they believe their arguments to be true, than Islam can never be peaceful. Looks to me like they proved themselves wrong
ShaTR2 1 year ago
@ShaTR2
That's not really the point.
If you wanted to compare Islam and Christianity, you would have to admit that Christianity has changed profoundly by the New Testament, the Reformation and the European Enlightment process.
Unfortunately, no such changes have been made to the Islamic faith, so it remains in its original violent and raw form.
sooperfukker 1 year ago 7
And as long as it remains unchallenged and unchanged, it cannot be a peaceful religion, because its core still longs for domination and justifies violence in its name.
The real question is : Is it possible at all, that Islam could go through a similar change as Christianity in the future ?
Will peaceful muslims be brave enough to CHALLENGE the Koran's ill core and will they be brave enough to put Mohammed's personality into perspective, refuting lots of his ways ? If so, then there is hope.
sooperfukker 1 year ago 2
@ShaTR2 dude - I agree with you that Islam is not a religion of peace - in my mind there are 3 factors :
1) Koran+Hadith 2) Mohammeds example 3) The behaviour of muslims.
(1) and (2) are bad, but it is in (3) that we have hope.
So if (1) is changed - that would go along way in changing things.
Do a google on Irshad Manji - on her website you can find the "Reformist Koran".
kbdkbd99 1 year ago
@kbdkbd99 don't know who's comment you're reading, but i never said that Islam is not a religion of peace. And Irshad comes from my community (Shia Ithna Asheri Jamat of Toronto), and so i am somewhat familiar with her already. and btw, my community is very forward thinking and most importantly, peaceful. If only communities like mine got more publicity than the other psycho so-called Muslims.... (i still have some issues with my own communities beliefs but i suppose no one's perfect)
ShaTR2 1 year ago
@ShaTR2 the answer is incredibly simple. Islam CAN be a religion of piece if it goes through the enlightenment phase where modern scholars take away violent verses due to modern concept stating that in modern times they simply do not apply. That is the point they were making, so the argument was absolutely valid
samuils 1 year ago
The side against seemed a little naive in their understanding of peace. Every single country, people, religion, etc have had a history of violence. We humans, as animals in this world, have violent instincts and characteristics. What group would be definable as peaceful, and where is the line drawn?
ShaTR2 1 year ago
Ms. Hirsi made an interesting comment; "no monotheistic religion is peaceful". By equating Islam to Judaism and Christianity, she in theory argued the point that neither of those religions are "A religion of peace" as it were. I wonder how this would have turned out had either of those religions been the topic of debate.
ShaTR2 1 year ago
@ShaTR2
IQ2 also had the debate "Is the catholic church a force for good in this world?".
sooperfukker 1 year ago
@ShaTR2
they did pretty good stating the fact that neither of them were of any faith, it does kinda of seem that she was attacking all monotheistic religons. Two things wrong with this, it emphesizes that all polytheistic faths are peacful, and it negates the actual teachings of Jesus, a man who, from I remeber, never killed any one, well maybe when he got mad at that Church who were sucking people form money.
1parko 11 months ago
Maajid Nawaz was extremely naive and unintelligent in his acceptance to take part in this 'debate'. Ms Hirsi Ali made some mediocre comments; anyone who's studied Islamic sciences and its history could have rebutted her with relative ease.
nakibx 1 year ago