they sit there like some buddies watching tv and chatting away --- they´re great! if we just had more people of their intelligence and bravery to be politically incorrect!
when muslim people call us islamophobes, nationalists, radicals, racists etc., an unbiased person can easily figure out how brainwashed muslims are and how retarded islam has made them to become.
If you talk to anyone Christian from an islamic state he/she will tell you that islam is exaactly the way it is practiced by so-called radical. Radical islam doesnt exist, it is the actual islam taken word by word. Muslims want to establish an islamic world but they will fail coz Yeshua is on our side!
Wars between the empires of England, Spain, Dutch, Portugal, France, Italy, Germany and the Holy Roman Empire killed millions, inquisition, WW1, WW2, occupation by England, France, Portugal, Spanish, the wiping out of Native Americans and the Incas killed millions, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam...These are just few examples of Europe's 'enlightenment'...
Now once again, the Europeans are hell bent on making war with Muslims to wipe them out...
@bnbalenda Wilders is one side of the spectrum, where Al-Qaeda is the other side. Almost everyone else in the world is just trying to live her/his life. This is just a phase in history, a hundred years from now, there's still people of all religion and race just living their lives. Nothing to worry about. Peace!
Unlike mohammed, Jesus is 100% perfect role model for peace. So, if JESUS speaks about sword, he means that his followers WILL BE PERSECUTED !! And it did happened: in the first centuries many christians were slaughtered by the Romans. His teaching is about: forgiving, turn the other cheek, love your neighbours as your self, etc.
Is this clear to you ? I repeat: I this clear to you?
Please, don't write such statement ever again in the future, I hate repeating my answer.
@howru44 You need to look up the word ideology hun. Catholicism is not political nor does it pretend to be, so it is not an ideology. Besides Geert is not religious at all.
@howru44 BULLSHIT! Jesus was foreseeing that Christians would be persecuted! That passage in fact ends with: " He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." Who loses his life for Christ? Those who are persecuted, even by their parents as manyChristian converts from Christianity.
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).
That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. (2 Ct 12:10).
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. [...]. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Rom 12:17/21).
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).
So please, dare no more saying calumnies against Christ's word. Read the Gospel before speaking.
And Geert Wilders and Robert Spencer, go and fuck yourselves, you pathetic hypocrites and money and power hungry losers. You don't have an ounce of decency in what you are doing. You are complete prostitutes to fascism.
You're one of those who blames European white men for being the Great Satan. The reason white men enslaved black africans but black africans did not enslaved white men was because black african men is peace loving angels and white european men is evil devil. Thats your logic and to make this world become a better place you should be dead now by suicide. You're a sad case.
@nadoeloiskat Were you drunk when you wrote that garbage? Really? You talked about Iran and I told you that Iran experienced a military coup plotted by foreigners. A terrorist regime was installed with the Shah of Iran, until 1979 when the fundamentalist Muslims took power. Read history and understand it.
@Cornucopiaification I wasnt drunk but i have about 5-8 other subjects to discuss with other people so i got a lil' lost here. I know about Iran. You just once again turned the reason and cause of the current bad situation over there to the Great Satan.
@Cornucopiaification@Cornucopiaification You did not thought that the Great Satan was Iran. Read what you write and admit that in your opinions the Great Satan are Zionists. However, zionists do not controll the west.
@nadoeloiskat Of course they control the West. AIPAC, the zionist entity and lobbying group in the USA, determines USAs Middle East Policy. There's no great satan. But many people think that Iran is the great satan. If you knew about irony you would understand. The zionists are basically a criminal syndicate.
@Cornucopiaification And you still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam, and who thinks anyone who concerns themselves with it's teachings is "clearly sick". Islam's prophet murdered POWs, raped a widow, stole another man's wife and married a six year old child. Since you wish to discuss marriage within Islam, do you think it's ok for grown men to marry six year old girls, as the Islamic prophet - "the ideal man" - did?
@Cornucopiaification You are wrong in everything you are saying. Ya, read history. Do it. You will find out that 1 out of every 3 men died defending the establishment of the USA. 33%. To overthrow Iranian democracy. the Yanks sent 1 man with a million dollars. Fact. Fact 2, the Iranians planned to 'nationalize' (read 'steal') BP oil interests in Iran. BP prospects and builds oil extraction facilities and 'democrats' try to steal it. The population doesn't protect these 'democrats'. History.
@countertreason I don't know what relevancy the coup has to this discussion. BP was stealing Iran's natural resources if you knew anything about cause and effects. It is pitiful that you justify the Iranian coup and think that was something of virtue. All the country's problems emerged because of that coup, still today.
@Cornucopiaification No, all the country's problems emerged from a credulous population and a lack of political will to do something impressive or interesting. If you don't understand what one group of human beings doing something impressive and interesting and another doing something boring, cliche and masochist is, then you, again, prove you are a retard.
Iranians could have done great, like the US, but they did poorly, like those who infected them with that sickening religion.
@countertreason The Iranians had to suffer a brutal dictatorship of the Shah during 25 years. A puppet regime of the USA. People were sick of it and joined the religious fundamentalists in order to promote change. But the new regime proved not to be what Iranians had hoped for. Fact is that the US fucked up that countries political system in a major way. Precisely as they did in Iraq with the support of Saddam Hussein.
@Cornucopiaification A.) The Shah was far less brutal than the current theocracy. B.) There was a monarchy before Europeans put them into power, they were, in fact, ousted originally by Europeans for colionialism (Anglo-Russian). There was a constitutional monarchy for 4 years, like, 6 prime ministers during that time or something. Then, then, they steal BPs shit. Prospected and installed in a proper agreement by BP and attempted to be stolen. This is the context in which parliament was ousted.
@countertreason What a load of baseless statements and what is that you want to tell me with those? BP exploited Iran's natural resources and put the money in their own pockets. Every government has the right to decide on what companies to operate in their own country. The democratically elected government of Mossadeq was ousted in a coup. Then the US hypocrites in government claim that they promote democracy around the world. Truth is, they only accept governments that adhere to US views.
@Cornucopiaification No you fucking retard. It is only a filthy immoral individual like you that would justify stealing a companies assets after they invested in your country. This is why the third world is so fucking poor, they cannot be trusted. People like you, no fucking integrity. You have none. You lie, don't admit when your wrong and advocate theft and deception. You are third world.
And 1/3 of Yanks died for democracy. Iranians didn't even put up a fight. Pathetic.
@countertreason You are the ignoramus for sure. A person that values people differently according to race. You should move to Israel and join the IDF to kill some innocent Palestinian women and children. Theft is to steal the natural resources of a country and put in the pockets of a corporate elite, dimwit. Every country has the right to self determination and to decide how to govern their own natural resources. Period.
@Cornucopiaification "Every country has the right to self determination" according to whom? Woodrow Wilson? Maybe Afghanistan should be permitted to be the Taliban. Or Rwanda shoulda been left alone. You think charges of racism will deter me, well, stupid people tend to throw out that charge because it is the best they are mentally capable of. More evidence you are incontinent in your stupidity.
The third world can steal and lose trust, sure. But in the old days we use to put our foot down.
@countertreason Your real name is now Counterreason. It suits you very well. You are a real fascist and a racist to boot. The right to self determination is a fundamental human right espoused by anybody who believes in freedom and liberty. That you oppose such fundamental notions shows your true character. Talk to somebody else who stoop to your low levels instead. This is ridiculous.
@Cornucopiaification How dare you pretend to teach me about freedom and liberty. If I went to the middle east I wouldn't pretend to know more about submission then the locals. Its fundamentally ludicrous that you think you have some sort of special knowledge on the subject. Self-determination is pi in the sky lofty, ivory tower crap that plunged the world into the second world war.
You know nothing. I am on low levels? Why, because I am educated? You are better than me for knowing nothing?
@countertreason It is laughable, a person with fascist ideals like you who disparage fundamental human rights think that you have something to say about freedom and liberty. If Hitler or Mussolini were alive you would support them since your ideals clearly are align with the fascist doctrine. You may have a high school education, but that does still not do.
@Cornucopiaification Haha. Well, if I know that you know nothing; and I know that I honored in political science... then... reading what you wrote indicates to me, further, that you are just incapable of recognizing people with educations.
The Arab world loved Hitler by the way. No, I would not support Hitler or Mussolini. You don't know what Facism is because you are pretty much retarded. I am a classic lib dem of my European history. You are a classic one opinion theocrat of yours.
@countertreason Where did you honor in politics? At the Menachim Begin University of Terrorism? I am sure I have a higher education than you, anyway, if you think that is so important in this basic discussion. If you were a liberal democrat you would not support Geert Wilders or Israeli Apartheid. Just shows how out of touch with reality you really are.
@Cornucopiaification You can pretend, as if you could deceive me, yourself or someone else reading, that you have some sort of higher education. You can pretend you don't notice mine. You can continue to make unsupported claims or fail to acknowledge that you misunderstood Geert's beliefs and didn't actually know what he was saying, as had been proven. You said he wants bans on literature, he doesn't, he was just asserting a moral equivalency between Mein Kaumpf and the Quran.
@countertreason When are you going to have some substantial arguments? If you claim that you are so bright and have that a great University education, you ought to come across with something more substantive, but obviously you cannot. He in fact advocated to ban the Koran in the newspaper De Volkskrant. Typically, racists and fascists who later try to deflect what they said and to come across as more moderate.
@Cornucopiaification In every interview the guy is enjoined to speak about this topic he explains the contexts of his comments and what he wishes for the world. Freedom of the press akin the USA, a country where the ACLU rigorously fights for the maintenance of absolute free speech. This is what he believes in. This does not allow for the banning of the Quran. He was making a point both critical of the left and of the Quran. He was calling them hypocrites. You are just wrong and dishonest.
@countertreason He was modifying his statement when he got confronted. On top of that, he doesn't even dare to debate people who don't share his views. You must be joking, that you mean that Wilders is a supporter of liberal democratic values. He is a far right winger you bonehead. Incidentally, he has advocated to enforce a tax on women wearing the hijab. Quit making a fool out of yourself already.
@Cornucopiaification Well, at least you changed your tune now. But now that I have you, on record, not talking at all about the fact he said that in order to prove a point, and only now do you acknowledge that he said it (but of course your overpowering ignorance compels you to take it in bad faith) I have at least proved that point.
In conjunction with the fact you were forced to admit the Muslim men - non-Muslimn women permissibility and non-Muslim men - Muslim woman no good... albeit weakly.
@countertreason Now you are spouting endless drivel like your fellow Goatloverboy did. I have been completely consistent in my argumentation all the time. If you want to make up fantasies to feel better, I feel sorry for you.
@Cornucopiaification It is not drivel, you are a liar and I am going to bring this up again and again untill you say, "Countertreason, I did not know about that aspect of the Quran, nor did I know why Geert said what he said. I still hold such and such an opinion, but I was clearly ignorant of these two irrevocable facts." Untill then, you are proving how capable you are of denying reality.
@countertreason You can persist as much as you like to trying to get your will imposed on me. You will never succeed. Don't you consider your statements at least somewhat childish sometimes?
In any case, you were incorrect and you are not man enough to admit it. You said there is no prohibition against Muslim women and non-Muslim men in the Quran, there is, all Muslims know it, many westerners, you didn't. You won't admit to that, you think you can get away with saying, 'it occasionally happens' as if infidelity is OK cause it happens.
You are clearly intellectually perverted cause you can sustain that belief. Likewise for the other one
@countertreason CounterReason, you are disgrace to yourself and an insult to everybody in your country. I stated correctly that in real life things are different. Do you believe every Christian practices what is stated in the Bible? If I would bring up all your lies in this ridiculous discussion there would be bloody many lies you would have to take responsibility for. That you call yourself a liberal democrat is a fucking joke.
@Cornucopiaification Well, you have been commenting repeatedly for a good long while and failed to point out any so far. So... you are a fucking idiot. More stupidity and senseless meaningless shit pouring from your mouth. You said it was not in the Quran, you challenged the fella to find it in the Quran, I found it. You were wrong and you still can't admit it. This is the type of person you are. You are just a fucking liar. 0 integrity. None. You are incapable, mentally incapable of admission.
@countertreason You are desperate. This ridiculous discussion was not about the Koran and you know it damn well. Your lies are numerous. One ridiculous statement is that you consider yourself a liberal democrat. What a joke. Another preposterous statement is that you said that Wilders ideas are aligned with the ACLU. Why is it that sites on the Internet that favor Wilders want to dismantle the ACLU you imbecile? You are a windbag with nothing to say unless its shameless racism and bigotry.
@Cornucopiaification The discussion isn't about the Quran, it is currently about your ignorance of the Quran. Something you are obliged to admit to before the argument progresses. You have to learn to accept that statements you made in ignorance can be put back into your face to teach you not to make shit up. You made up that bit about the assertions absence in the Quran, that is dishonest, and you have to admit to it.
@countertreason I haven't engaged in a discussion about the Koran and marriage you cunt. You are fool, not a liberal democrat. Incidentally, an asshole.
@Cornucopiaification You did too, you tried to get tell Nadoeloiskat that it wasn't in the Quran and challenged him to find it. I found it and put it in your face. Just admit it.
I am a liberal democrat. You are an idiot and you don't know what a liberal democrat is. I will not continue this line of argument with you. How can I convince you I am a liberal democrat when, do to a total lack of education and what must have been a poor upbringing, you don't know what one is.
@nadoeloiskat Answer my question: Do you seriously believe that Geert Wilders ideas about banning the Koran and putting a government tax on women wearing a headscarf is the way to go?
What a bunch of nonsense and propaganda. Muslims have been living in European countries and the US, at least since the 1960's and 70's, and there were never any problems. This discourse and hate towards Islam started to gain popularity after 9/11, and it is counterproductive. Robert Spencer is a one trick pony and Wilders is beneath contempt.
@Cornucopiaification You have no knowledge of the history of the West. None at all. If you don't understand that the dynamic between the so-called Judaeo-Christian world and the Islamic world is far more complex than you just presented it, then I will let it stand at that. I will trust in the knowledge of those reading to dismiss you. If you misspoke and wish to represent this history as somewhat less strained than now understood, that could be said.
@Cornucopiaification It is not necessary to convince people that there is a clash of civilizations, just that there is some incompatibility between Islamic ideology and western civilization. I also believe that Islam, given any sort of advantage, will, to a certain an non-exclusive extent, become ideological. Christianity, likewise.
Everyone is entitled to lack trust for Islam and Muslims. We just more widely know as much now.
@countertreason Well, there are fanatics in every religion, dude. Christians, Muslims, and Judaism. We are on the wrong track if we blame one of the biggest religions in the world of causing most of the problems we are facing today. Don't you think so?
@Cornucopiaification Depends. If we say "Islam is the source of the world's ills" then we are just frankly making stupid statements. Anybody who simplifies the matter as such will be ignored. However, if we say that the major threat to western civilization right now, as communism was before, is radical Islam and moderate Islams quiet sympathy for it, then we are merely identifying that which needs identification.
@countertreason Well, that is basically what Geert Wilders tries to achieve. To blame societies ills on muslims. Do you earnestly think Wilders has anything of importance to say? I don't agree about Islam being a threat. It is depicted as a threat by the US neocons and Israel in order to preserve the occupation of Palestine, put the arab oil countries into submission and keep the weapons industry going.
@Cornucopiaification Oh, no. I don't agree with that at all. The reason moderate Islam is not opposing, with any significant efforts, radical Islam is because all Islam shares a common identity. So when we kill a member of Al Qaeda we kill a Muslim. Moderates say 'stop killing Muslims and radical Muslims will stop.' We can't. Moderates in the middle east harbor them, etc. Geert believes that if you cannot be Dutch, if you are more Muslim than Dutch, get the fuck out of the Netherlands.
@countertreason Why do you justify the killing of muslims? That was a preposterous statement. There are no linkages between moderate muslims and radical muslims unless you can prove it academically. Geert Wilders is wrong on all accounts. Everybody has a right to religious freedom in any civilized country. Geert Wilders also wants the Koran to be banned, which is completely preposterous.
@Cornucopiaification You did not take my reference to killing honestly, so I will not respond to your first statement. The linkage is between them is strictly what I said it was - the moderates are too enthusiastic about getting to us than to controlling their embarassing religion. Religious freedom, sure. Geert doesn't object to that. Muslims would stay who accepted western values. Koran to be banned? He wants American freedom. Books are banned in the Netherlands already, he said add the Koran.
@countertreason Hey listen. I am tired of your propaganda. Read what Wilders have said instead of refute things he actually did say. He has advocated for a ban on the Koran. A simple google search would do. He wants to deport muslims, etc. That is not a democrat. That is the words of a fascist. He himself has loyalties to the fascists in Israel and is a friend of their fascist politician Avigdor Lieberman.
@Cornucopiaification Wilders said that people who do not integrate/adapt to modern democratic europe should be deported. Islam is racist ideology and should not be practising in civilized world.
@nadoeloiskat Well, according to that logic your hero Wilders should then be deported himself. Because his ideas are purely undemocratic. Islam is not an ideology. Islam is a religion. It is not racist. However, the ideology of Zionism that Wilders eagerly supports is racist.
@Cornucopiaification Go to dictionary or wikipedia and read what racism stands for. Then ask yourself, what it is, when a muslim man have a right to marry a non-muslim women but not the opposite? Person who denies Allah and muhammad does not have the same rights by islamic IDEOLOGY. That is pure RACISM.
@nadoeloiskat It is preposterous that you even dare to speak about racism while you support a certified arab hater as Geert Wilders. It is laughable. Where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam? On the other hand, that statement is very similar to what is practiced in Israel today, and even worse, where Jews and Arabs are not allowed to marry. You are being a racist yourself by supporting Wilders.
@Cornucopiaification Your denying that Islam is violent racist ideology is ignorant. Your racist statements and accusations against israel are barely accepted. However, power rules and Israel have more power than arabs. If it wouldn there would be no Israel. and there would be no Russia nor Europe. At least secular democratic one. Only strict islamic ideology under sharia law. Worldwide.
@nadoeloiskat Your fascist leanings are explanatory when you say that power rules and not international law. Islam is not racist period. You cannot even prove that by evidence. Therefore, I repeat the question that you did not answer: where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam. Answer that question. Israel is a Jewish state and not a secular one you dimwit.
@Cornucopiaification My neighbour/friend was a moslem guy and i got close to islamic teaching. the imaam from his mosque gave a very clear clarification that a Muslim men can marry a non-muslim women but a muslim women cannot marry a non-muslim men. It is in the Quran. Islam is racist, sexist and violent ideology.
@Cornucopiaification Quran, Sura 2, verse 221. Directly in the Quran and beyond dispute. Yet another instance where you are talking about something you have no clue about. It is in the fucking Quran. Not even the Hadith, directly in the foundational text of the religion. You burn in the fires, don't give your daughter to an infidel. Fuck man... you have no shame.
@countertreason You can find barbaric statements in the Old Testament as well and justify Israeli aggressions on religious fundamentalism. Whoever to blame this conflict mostly on religion doesn't take you far.
@Cornucopiaification YOU DIRECTLY SAID IT WASN'T IN THE QURAN. I RESPONDED TO THAT. The fact is, even if the old testament is stupid, you are stupid because you make claims that aren't true. I quote, "Where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam? " You know what this refers to and you were blatantly and undeniably wrong. No bones about it.
Just straight wrong. You have no shame if you cannot say, "I was wrong." And that explains your politics.
@Cornucopiaification Haha, you know you are wrong but you can't admit it. This is much to your disadvantage, because, in this, you were clearly wrong. So, even when you are undeniably wrong you can't admit it. On grey issues, then, people ought to believe me cause you would lie and deny in instances where you lacked confidence in yuor own veracity. You have no integrity.
@Cornucopiaification Ya, good people. Good honest individuals who make great countries that little pathetic ingrates like you immigrate to. Not the ones who sabotage and ruin the disgusting and lamentable countries you come from. We are worth more generally. And we wish that people like you only existed in those countries, but some decent people live there and are overwhelmed by your sort. Ignorant fucks who can't understand what the real problems of the world are. Your lack of morality.
@countertreason What a load of diatribe you are spewing. I almost feel sorry for you and your lack of reasoning and your ridiculous baseless ad hominems.
@Cornucopiaification You have nothing to say. Nothing. You are the problem with the world. You fucking hypocrite. Sitting in the lap of luxury and not earning it by vindicating our goodness and trying to learn, so as to teach, your Arab brothers how they should actually behave. Whose example they should be following. Instead you pretend to righteous anger. Instead you pretend we are the bad guys. Instead you lie and deceive and offer little to no defense of your clearly incorrect statements.
@Cornucopiaification I ran out of material or you ran out of material. You are beginning to project. Instead of three sentences that pretend to some sort of inexpressible knowledge, why don't you just shut the fuck up, go back to the drawing board, read some books and try again.
You have been wrecked. You have been put to shame. You are an embarassment. You have nothing to say. Nothing.
@countertreason What books have you read you dimwit/Counterreason? Comical magazines does not count as books. Funny that you pat yourself on the back and claim that you have wrecked me and put me to shame, etc. Those statements clearly point out that you really are a little kid, sitting in front of a computer in your mum's basement and pretending to be tough.
@Cornucopiaification What are you sayin? That I love in my mom's basement? Complex, interesting. You are profound. You have nothing to say. Every attempt at argument you have made has relied on shaky foundations and you are scared to make arguments now.
You are a treasonous little hypocrite. A small man that admire me and my people so much as to live in our lands. He left the 'great' people he defends and, because of his shame of himself, pretends we are not great. We are. You are not.
@countertreason Hey, Counterreason, you are busted. Why would I little kid like you who haven't experienced much in life and promote fascist and racist ideas? You are funny.
@Cornucopiaification Hey, Counterreason, you are busted. Why would I admire a little kid like you, who haven't experienced much in life and promote fascist and racist ideas? You are funny indeed.
@Cornucopiaification Keep on going with these replies. If you were an objective bystander would you not interpret the individual who repeats "facist and racist" again and again like a mantra as the individual who is bankrupt of ideas? Of course you would. Like the sitting individuals, arms folded 'round his legs, rocking back and forth telling himself, "he's a racist, don't listen to him."
You have been soundly trounced. Say what you need to. You really just ought to be ashamed of yourself.
@countertreason The terms fascist and racist are exactly what is relevant in this case. That's why it is important to emphasize it. You have no game, no arguments, except for mentioning things and make guesses about my personality and my background. That reflects how weak your argumentation is.
@Cornucopiaification I have incotestably dismissed three of your arguments, in fact, and proved you wrong. Not just probably, but absolutely. And you? What have you done? Name something you proved. What is something incorrect I have said that you have corrected me on? Objectively, I am making you look poorly researched and small-minded.
Instead of withdrawing from the discussion or learning your side better, you have called me terms that have no applicability to me in objective fact. U = idiot.
@countertreason You have not managed to refute any of my arguments. Begin with answering my numerous questions that you have evaded. Your arguments are futile. You claim that you are a liberal democrat and support a fascist politician unconditionally. A politician who is friends with and looks up to Avigdor Lieberman. Get a grip.
@Cornucopiaification Well, above I displayed the failed arguments of yours... beyond dispute. Everytime you say "you have not managed to refute any of my arguments" you do not declare that your arguments were not refuted; rather, you loudly declare, "I truly am crazy and have no idea what the meaning of any of the words I have said, or that you have said are, or what I am saying right now and how that applies." You have been refuted completely at least twice.
@countertreason You have not refuted any of my arguments successfully. On the other hand, you try to mitigate the meaning of what your hero Wilders have stated. Is a proposition to tax women who wear the hijab a policy that is aligned with liberal democracy?
@Cornucopiaification When did i say that Israel is a secular state? Delusions? It doesnt matter you like it or not, its the raw sad fact that power rules first specially in that place. thats why arabs cannot do anything. Allah dont have enough powers against the Israel..
@nadoeloiskat Well you are supporting secular states if I your ramblings understand you correctly. Obviously not, if you support Israel. Power only rules in that conflict, because the US put their vetoes in the UN security council. You are a fool.
@Cornucopiaification You're such a G.W.B. "either you with us or you're against us". When did i say i support Israel? Delusions!!!. It's a stonecold fact that Israel have econimic and military power to exist in that place surrounded by those huge moslem countries. Does USA support it? Of course it is Georgie! wake up!
@nadoeloiskat Israel only has power because of the USA. I already stated that. I asked you a question. You are a fucking idiot. There is nothing stated anywhere in Islam that muslim women don't have free choice of marriage. It is not in the Quran. Where in the Quran is it?
@Cornucopiaification OK. now you're writing something extra-ordinary bizarre. if you're a moslem you should obey the islamic law, not 21st centurys modern western law. Of course if you're ignoring the writings of your Messenger Muhammad thats different. thats why i'm saying that ISLAM is racist ideology not necesseary muslim. and it is in the Quran. Have to go. PEACE.
@nadoeloiskat What the hell are you talking about? So a Christian should according to your logic obey every word in the Bible? You claim that it is allowed for a Muslim to marry non muslim women but not for muslim women to marry non muslim men. Please, tell me where to find that in the Koran. Then you have the audacity to talk about GWB stating "either you are with or against us". As a defender of Geert Wilders you have already embraced that philosophy.
@Cornucopiaification A christian should try to follow the Jesus and his examples. Thats why the "Father" sent his only beloved Son to earth (also to sacrifice himself for our sins). This is the christian ideology. I think, if everybody would do like Jesus did, there would no problems. But because Jesus was too perfect to our chimpazee related emotions, we cannot follow his path. P.S. Jesus never killed, never orders to kill. Actually he got killed by spreading "do not kill" ideology.
@nadoeloiskat I don't care about Jesus. What is relevant to this discussion is that Muslims are regular people like just Christians. If you profess that Islam is an evil religion, I recommend you to go and see a good doctor.
@Cornucopiaification A muslim should follow the Muhammad and his examples. Thats why the holy Allah made him a messenger. Islamic ideology. If everybody would do like Muhammad did, there would be no intelligent life in this world like we know it today. Muhammad killed, murdered and ordered to kill. P.S. All religions are false but Islam is totally out of date.
@nadoeloiskat Islam is a religion, not an ideology. The Koran was written ages ago in a totally different society, you tool. Then you should answer your second lie in this discussion. You should answer: You claim that it is allowed for a Muslim to marry non muslim women but not for muslim women to marry non muslim men. Please, tell me where to find that in the Koran.
@Cornucopiaification Muslim are people, moertal human beings, old, young, male, female, black, white etc. get that already. But do not even try to say that Islam is peaceful religion and those terrorist attacks has nothing to do with this ideology. It is said in the quran tha muslim men can marry a women from judeo-christian religion (Jew, Christian, Muslim). It does not say that women have the same right ( like it does not say about womens right pretty much at all).
@nadoeloiskat haha you think that terrorist attacks were because of the Koran. You have already lied and said so much BS by now it's ridiculous. You have been well brainwashed. Please, tell me where in the Koran I can find that:It is said in the quran tha muslim men can marry a women from judeo-christian religion (Jew, Christian, Muslim). It does not say that women have the same right ( like it does not say about womens right pretty much at all).
@Cornucopiaification And you said there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Please explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification The terrorist attacks were because of the Quran. This is the first time I think that you have made a blatantly retarded or undeniably deceitful statement. You hovered around it before. Those terrorist attacks happened for the reasons that Osama said they did. He is the only one that decides. Not you you little ignorant fuck. The Quran justified them.
You struggle with English, but 5:4 says men can marry non-muslim women, and 2:221 says women can't marry non-muslim men.
@countertreason Instead of spouting incessant nonsense you'd better of keeping quite. Terrorist attacks are committed because of human injustice and oppression, not some old religious document. The only group in the whole world that gained from 9/11 were the Israelis. The only ignorant fuck would be you. What the hell has marriage to do with anything that we discussed? You lost control because I exposed you as a Zionist apologist and an individual who doesn't care about universal human rights.
@Cornucopiaification The only correct thing you said is that I am losing control. I don't understand how you could hold opinions that are so incredibly wrong. Explain why other victimized peoples of the world don't act like total assholes and maniacs. You can't. No one can. No one can explain why the Palestinians encourage their children to throw rocks (resembling grenades) at Israelis in the hopes they get shot to foster a sense of victimization. Its sick and disgusting. The Quran justifies all
@Cornucopiaification since your love toward Islam is so extreme, i suggest you to find a muslim imaam and ask him where it is in the quran and after that should talk more about Islam in general to get yourself to the right path in this life and finally become a peaceful muslim. Geert wilders is not my hero as much as Muhammad is yours.
@nadoeloiskat Yes, Geert Wilders is your hero. Don't lie. Do you also want to ban the Koran? Your hero Wilders also wants to deport muslims who don't fullfil requirements of a proper European citizen. You are a joke for standing up for such disgusting fascists and hate mongerers as Wilders.
@Cornucopiaification And you are standing up for Islam, whose false prophet murdered POWs, raped widows and interfered with a nine year old girl. Yet as an atheist, you have dismissed Islam as a bunch of "fairy tales" and said that anyone who concerns themselves with Islamic teachings is "clearly sick". Do at least try to be consistent.
@Cornucopiaification You said there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Please explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam, who considers its teachings to be "fairy tales" and who said that anyone who concerns themselves with it's teachings is "clearly sick". Islam's false prophet murdered POWs, raped a widow, stole another man's wife and married a six year old child. And here you are defending Islam. (On the subject of marriage, do you think it's ok for grown men to marry six year old girls, as the Islamic prophet - their "ideal man" - did?)
@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam and believe that anyone who concerns themselves with its teachings is "clearly sick". Islam's prophet murdered POWs, raped a widow, stole another man's wife and married a six year old child. Since *you* wish to discuss marriage within the context of Islam, pray tell, do you think it's acceptable for grown men to marry six year old girls, as the Islamic prophet - the "ideal man" - did?
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification All you have to do is explain how *you* came to believe that Islam is made up of "fairy tales" and its adherents are "clearly sick".
Either it is possible to do this by studying the teachings and history of Islam, in which case I'm right.
Or *you* employed some kind of racist thinking in order to evaluate Islam, which speaks only to *your* intellectual limitations.
@GoatBoy36 so what you're saying is, speaking against islam is the key factor in what makes someone a racist. Religion has destroyed humanity and has done the exact opposite of what it preaches, all in the name of god. This is why some would say, it's only a fairytale.
@XxUrSoLoStxX Entirely wrong. Corny is trying to argue that if anyone criticises Islam then they are engaging in a racist pursuit. But Corny himself has evaluated Islam (see pt. 1 of Wilders' interview) and said it is made up of fairy tales etc. Either I am right and this is not a racist pursuit at all, or Corny (if he insists it is) condemns himself as a racist. This is the dilemma before Cornucopiafication.
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification You consider Islam to be "fairy tales". As an atheist, you reject its teachings.
If you evaluated Islam by examining its teachings and reading its holy books then you acknowledge that it is possible to do precisely that. Consequently your notion that criticisng Islam is inherently "racist" is refuted.
If *you* employed racist thinking when *you* made your evaluation of Islam, then that speaks only to *your* intellectual limitations.
@GoatBoy36 Goatloverboy, you are a Christian fundamentalist repeating the same arguments day in and day out like some kind of robot. Get off my back you stalker.
@Cornucopiaification You are the person who lives in the western democratic cociety. Who gets all the benefits from it. and yet you defend the islamic ideology. It's a new fashion right now in western world - no matter what happens, always find the reason to blame yourself. You just ignore the reality. Go search for islamic cleric and ask him about the marital status/rights between men/women in Islam.
@nadoeloiskat No, you were the one talking about marriage status and referring to the Koran. Therefore, you should tell me were to find that in the Koran since you said it is to be found there. Religion has nothing whatsoever to do with what anybody gets in what you call Western society. Get over it. Stop blaming a religion for societies ills. What's popular today is hate towards muslims and that is what you have.
@Cornucopiaification You're a smart guy but you dont get the point. It is written in the Quran that muslim men can marry a non muslim women but not the opposite. It is written in the Quran that mens value is twice as for womens value (in courts etc). You said that you dont care about the Jesus. You obviosly care about the Muhammad and Islam. Thats why you're so racist against Israel. I'm pro-democratic and i realise the fact why EU have to spend billions of euros to prevent illegal immigration.
@nadoeloiskat Hey listen, your statements are so full of contradictions it makes me sick. You are the one having racist views if anybody so quite pontificating to me about racism. Israel is a racist state in its foundations. I asked you to point out where in the Koran I can find your statements but you cannot give this information. Also, I said even if it said things you claim it is an ancient writing from a completely different society than today.
@Cornucopiaification Do you seriously believe that Geert Wilders ideas about banning the Koran and having a tax on women wearing a headscarf is the way to go?
@Cornucopiaification You know.. Its not the "muslims" who should get deported from the west. It is people like you who should feel the difference living in the place which gives you the rights to your own opinions without getting arrested and jailed..
@Cornucopiaification And you said there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Please explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
@Cornucopiaification You consider Islam to be "fairy tales". As an atheist, you reject its teachings.
If you evaluated Islam by examining its teachings and reading its holy books then you acknowledge that it is possible to do precisely that. Consequently your notion that criticisng Islam is inherently "racist" is refuted.
If *you* employed racist thinking when *you* made your evaluation of Islam, then that speaks only to *your* intellectual limitations.
@GoatBoy36 Your dilemma is that you cannot debate and that you are too stupid to understand simple cause and effects. Islam is the religion associated mostly with Arabs. Therefore, to demonize that religion is to demonize arab people. It as simple as that. And stop stalking me.
@Cornucopiaification Here's how the world works. If *you* decide to air your absurd theories online, in a forum open to the public, then people with either a) a better education than you, b) a greater understanding of Islam, c) more common sense, or d) all of the above, are going to point out the problems with your thinking to you. As the saying goes, if you can't stand the heat ... then get out of the kitchen.
@GoatBoy36 I enjoy your tenacity, frankly, and, for once, you shall receive a thank you for an otherwise thank-less task - fighting lunatics like Cornucopia. Guys like this clog up youtube channels with their poorly thought out drivel all the time; baseless, puerile and pseudo-intellectual garbage supported by out of context facts or even, in fact, mostly, no facts at all.
But we can't let the discussions end with their words. They cannot be inscribed for all to see. Good work.
CRUSADER PIGGY BOY WAS HERE !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
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THE "PROPHET" MOHAMMED (S.O.B.), WAS A DEMON !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT FREEDOM, NEITHER IS IT ABOUT PEACE !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
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The Prophet Muhammad (S.O.B.) !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
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ISLAM´S POWER LIES IN SHARIA-LAW !
WITHOUT SHARIA-LAW, THEY ARE JUST
POWERLESS & WORTHLESS COWARDS.
WHAT DOES SHARIA-LAW MEAN:
NO WOMAN´S OR HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS,
STONING, BEHEADING, FLOGGING.......
EVEN THE KU KLUX KLAN SEEM TAME
COMPARED TO THESE DEMONIC BASTARDS !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
ISLAM IS A SHAM !
Definition of SHAM:
1. A trick that deludes: hoax -feared that the deal was a sham-.
2. Cheap falseness: hypocrisy -saw through the hollowness,
the sham, the silliness of the empty pageant. -- Oscar Wilde-
3. An imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine.
4. A person who shams.
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
they sit there like some buddies watching tv and chatting away --- they´re great! if we just had more people of their intelligence and bravery to be politically incorrect!
MoveOverCasanova 8 months ago
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Wilders = Made in fascist Israel!
A useful and willing idiot pushing Europe into a clash of civilizations!
alecrebel 9 months ago
when muslim people call us islamophobes, nationalists, radicals, racists etc., an unbiased person can easily figure out how brainwashed muslims are and how retarded islam has made them to become.
If you talk to anyone Christian from an islamic state he/she will tell you that islam is exaactly the way it is practiced by so-called radical. Radical islam doesnt exist, it is the actual islam taken word by word. Muslims want to establish an islamic world but they will fail coz Yeshua is on our side!
MrILoveYeshua 11 months ago 2
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Geert Wilders works for and supports the jews and israel. Its there mission to dominate the world!! This is a warning to the world!
juicymango14 11 months ago
Wars between the empires of England, Spain, Dutch, Portugal, France, Italy, Germany and the Holy Roman Empire killed millions, inquisition, WW1, WW2, occupation by England, France, Portugal, Spanish, the wiping out of Native Americans and the Incas killed millions, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam...These are just few examples of Europe's 'enlightenment'...
Now once again, the Europeans are hell bent on making war with Muslims to wipe them out...
No thanks...You keep your 'enlightenment'...
SirHumanoid 1 year ago
islamic ideology, which is bad indeed, you know that better than i do xD
f0cusz 1 year ago
I LOVE HIM
qwer1234555sd 1 year ago
More brave people like Geert Wilders and Robert Spencer are desperately needed throughout Europe, Americas and Oceania.
ytsqueezer 1 year ago 6
Geert Wilders is a realist.We need people like him in this world.
bnbalenda 1 year ago 12
@bnbalenda Wilders is one side of the spectrum, where Al-Qaeda is the other side. Almost everyone else in the world is just trying to live her/his life. This is just a phase in history, a hundred years from now, there's still people of all religion and race just living their lives. Nothing to worry about. Peace!
Wigbolt 1 year ago
1 Muslim watched this video
NC360 1 year ago
@NC360 lol!
annaknowsu 1 year ago
ISLAM IS GOING TO WIN :)))
thespecialist67 1 year ago
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According to the Bible :
"Don't think I have come to spread peace, I have not come to spread peace, but SWORD." (Bible : New Testament, Book of Mathew (10:34)
Do Fascist Geert Wild & his desciples know about this ideology?
howru44 1 year ago
According to the Bible :
"Don't think I have come to spread peace, I have not come to spread peace, but SWORD." (Bible : New Testament, Book of Mathew (10:34)
Does Geert Wild know about this ideology?
howru44 1 year ago
@howru44
Unlike mohammed, Jesus is 100% perfect role model for peace. So, if JESUS speaks about sword, he means that his followers WILL BE PERSECUTED !! And it did happened: in the first centuries many christians were slaughtered by the Romans. His teaching is about: forgiving, turn the other cheek, love your neighbours as your self, etc.
Is this clear to you ? I repeat: I this clear to you?
Please, don't write such statement ever again in the future, I hate repeating my answer.
ysopuatmube 1 year ago
@howru44 You need to look up the word ideology hun. Catholicism is not political nor does it pretend to be, so it is not an ideology. Besides Geert is not religious at all.
annaknowsu 1 year ago
@howru44 BULLSHIT! Jesus was foreseeing that Christians would be persecuted! That passage in fact ends with: " He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." Who loses his life for Christ? Those who are persecuted, even by their parents as manyChristian converts from Christianity.
lovehope88 1 year ago
@howru44
Christ CLEARLY advocated LOVE:
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).
lovehope88 1 year ago
@howru44
C Simon Peter therefore, having a sword, drew it, and struck the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant’s name was Malchus.
Jesus therefore said to Peter, "Put the sword into its sheath. (John 18:10,110)
And Luke 22:49-51 tells us that He even HEALES the ear of HIS ENEMY.
That my interpretation of your quote is correct is shown by what Christ's disciples said.
Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds (James 1:2).
lovehope88 1 year ago
That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. (2 Ct 12:10).
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. [...]. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Rom 12:17/21).
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).
So please, dare no more saying calumnies against Christ's word. Read the Gospel before speaking.
lovehope88 1 year ago 2
OMG!
Steven spielberg is interviewing goldmember from the Austin powers film.
I wonder if they painted their yoohoos gold afterwards.
Ignorant wankers!
1anj1 1 year ago 2
@1anj1 you're the ignorant one.
AlizeCiz 1 year ago
And Geert Wilders and Robert Spencer, go and fuck yourselves, you pathetic hypocrites and money and power hungry losers. You don't have an ounce of decency in what you are doing. You are complete prostitutes to fascism.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
You're one of those who blames European white men for being the Great Satan. The reason white men enslaved black africans but black africans did not enslaved white men was because black african men is peace loving angels and white european men is evil devil. Thats your logic and to make this world become a better place you should be dead now by suicide. You're a sad case.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Were you drunk when you wrote that garbage? Really? You talked about Iran and I told you that Iran experienced a military coup plotted by foreigners. A terrorist regime was installed with the Shah of Iran, until 1979 when the fundamentalist Muslims took power. Read history and understand it.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification I wasnt drunk but i have about 5-8 other subjects to discuss with other people so i got a lil' lost here. I know about Iran. You just once again turned the reason and cause of the current bad situation over there to the Great Satan.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat I thought the Great Satan was Iran.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification @Cornucopiaification You did not thought that the Great Satan was Iran. Read what you write and admit that in your opinions the Great Satan are Zionists. However, zionists do not controll the west.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Of course they control the West. AIPAC, the zionist entity and lobbying group in the USA, determines USAs Middle East Policy. There's no great satan. But many people think that Iran is the great satan. If you knew about irony you would understand. The zionists are basically a criminal syndicate.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
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@Cornucopiaification And you still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Now please explain how you came to believe that Islam consists of "fairly tales" and it's adherents are "clearly sick".
Either it is possible to do so by studying the doctrines and history of Islam - in which case I'm right.
Or *you* have used some kind of racist thinking as *you* evaluated Islam, in which case *you* are a racist.
So either I'm right, or *you're* a racist.
There's your dilemma - choose a horn.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
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@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam, and who thinks anyone who concerns themselves with it's teachings is "clearly sick". Islam's prophet murdered POWs, raped a widow, stole another man's wife and married a six year old child. Since you wish to discuss marriage within Islam, do you think it's ok for grown men to marry six year old girls, as the Islamic prophet - "the ideal man" - did?
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You are wrong in everything you are saying. Ya, read history. Do it. You will find out that 1 out of every 3 men died defending the establishment of the USA. 33%. To overthrow Iranian democracy. the Yanks sent 1 man with a million dollars. Fact. Fact 2, the Iranians planned to 'nationalize' (read 'steal') BP oil interests in Iran. BP prospects and builds oil extraction facilities and 'democrats' try to steal it. The population doesn't protect these 'democrats'. History.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason I don't know what relevancy the coup has to this discussion. BP was stealing Iran's natural resources if you knew anything about cause and effects. It is pitiful that you justify the Iranian coup and think that was something of virtue. All the country's problems emerged because of that coup, still today.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification No, all the country's problems emerged from a credulous population and a lack of political will to do something impressive or interesting. If you don't understand what one group of human beings doing something impressive and interesting and another doing something boring, cliche and masochist is, then you, again, prove you are a retard.
Iranians could have done great, like the US, but they did poorly, like those who infected them with that sickening religion.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason The Iranians had to suffer a brutal dictatorship of the Shah during 25 years. A puppet regime of the USA. People were sick of it and joined the religious fundamentalists in order to promote change. But the new regime proved not to be what Iranians had hoped for. Fact is that the US fucked up that countries political system in a major way. Precisely as they did in Iraq with the support of Saddam Hussein.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification A.) The Shah was far less brutal than the current theocracy. B.) There was a monarchy before Europeans put them into power, they were, in fact, ousted originally by Europeans for colionialism (Anglo-Russian). There was a constitutional monarchy for 4 years, like, 6 prime ministers during that time or something. Then, then, they steal BPs shit. Prospected and installed in a proper agreement by BP and attempted to be stolen. This is the context in which parliament was ousted.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason What a load of baseless statements and what is that you want to tell me with those? BP exploited Iran's natural resources and put the money in their own pockets. Every government has the right to decide on what companies to operate in their own country. The democratically elected government of Mossadeq was ousted in a coup. Then the US hypocrites in government claim that they promote democracy around the world. Truth is, they only accept governments that adhere to US views.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification No you fucking retard. It is only a filthy immoral individual like you that would justify stealing a companies assets after they invested in your country. This is why the third world is so fucking poor, they cannot be trusted. People like you, no fucking integrity. You have none. You lie, don't admit when your wrong and advocate theft and deception. You are third world.
And 1/3 of Yanks died for democracy. Iranians didn't even put up a fight. Pathetic.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You are the ignoramus for sure. A person that values people differently according to race. You should move to Israel and join the IDF to kill some innocent Palestinian women and children. Theft is to steal the natural resources of a country and put in the pockets of a corporate elite, dimwit. Every country has the right to self determination and to decide how to govern their own natural resources. Period.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification "Every country has the right to self determination" according to whom? Woodrow Wilson? Maybe Afghanistan should be permitted to be the Taliban. Or Rwanda shoulda been left alone. You think charges of racism will deter me, well, stupid people tend to throw out that charge because it is the best they are mentally capable of. More evidence you are incontinent in your stupidity.
The third world can steal and lose trust, sure. But in the old days we use to put our foot down.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Your real name is now Counterreason. It suits you very well. You are a real fascist and a racist to boot. The right to self determination is a fundamental human right espoused by anybody who believes in freedom and liberty. That you oppose such fundamental notions shows your true character. Talk to somebody else who stoop to your low levels instead. This is ridiculous.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification How dare you pretend to teach me about freedom and liberty. If I went to the middle east I wouldn't pretend to know more about submission then the locals. Its fundamentally ludicrous that you think you have some sort of special knowledge on the subject. Self-determination is pi in the sky lofty, ivory tower crap that plunged the world into the second world war.
You know nothing. I am on low levels? Why, because I am educated? You are better than me for knowing nothing?
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason It is laughable, a person with fascist ideals like you who disparage fundamental human rights think that you have something to say about freedom and liberty. If Hitler or Mussolini were alive you would support them since your ideals clearly are align with the fascist doctrine. You may have a high school education, but that does still not do.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Haha. Well, if I know that you know nothing; and I know that I honored in political science... then... reading what you wrote indicates to me, further, that you are just incapable of recognizing people with educations.
The Arab world loved Hitler by the way. No, I would not support Hitler or Mussolini. You don't know what Facism is because you are pretty much retarded. I am a classic lib dem of my European history. You are a classic one opinion theocrat of yours.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Where did you honor in politics? At the Menachim Begin University of Terrorism? I am sure I have a higher education than you, anyway, if you think that is so important in this basic discussion. If you were a liberal democrat you would not support Geert Wilders or Israeli Apartheid. Just shows how out of touch with reality you really are.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You can pretend, as if you could deceive me, yourself or someone else reading, that you have some sort of higher education. You can pretend you don't notice mine. You can continue to make unsupported claims or fail to acknowledge that you misunderstood Geert's beliefs and didn't actually know what he was saying, as had been proven. You said he wants bans on literature, he doesn't, he was just asserting a moral equivalency between Mein Kaumpf and the Quran.
But we both know.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason When are you going to have some substantial arguments? If you claim that you are so bright and have that a great University education, you ought to come across with something more substantive, but obviously you cannot. He in fact advocated to ban the Koran in the newspaper De Volkskrant. Typically, racists and fascists who later try to deflect what they said and to come across as more moderate.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification In every interview the guy is enjoined to speak about this topic he explains the contexts of his comments and what he wishes for the world. Freedom of the press akin the USA, a country where the ACLU rigorously fights for the maintenance of absolute free speech. This is what he believes in. This does not allow for the banning of the Quran. He was making a point both critical of the left and of the Quran. He was calling them hypocrites. You are just wrong and dishonest.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason He was modifying his statement when he got confronted. On top of that, he doesn't even dare to debate people who don't share his views. You must be joking, that you mean that Wilders is a supporter of liberal democratic values. He is a far right winger you bonehead. Incidentally, he has advocated to enforce a tax on women wearing the hijab. Quit making a fool out of yourself already.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Well, at least you changed your tune now. But now that I have you, on record, not talking at all about the fact he said that in order to prove a point, and only now do you acknowledge that he said it (but of course your overpowering ignorance compels you to take it in bad faith) I have at least proved that point.
In conjunction with the fact you were forced to admit the Muslim men - non-Muslimn women permissibility and non-Muslim men - Muslim woman no good... albeit weakly.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Now you are spouting endless drivel like your fellow Goatloverboy did. I have been completely consistent in my argumentation all the time. If you want to make up fantasies to feel better, I feel sorry for you.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification It is not drivel, you are a liar and I am going to bring this up again and again untill you say, "Countertreason, I did not know about that aspect of the Quran, nor did I know why Geert said what he said. I still hold such and such an opinion, but I was clearly ignorant of these two irrevocable facts." Untill then, you are proving how capable you are of denying reality.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You can persist as much as you like to trying to get your will imposed on me. You will never succeed. Don't you consider your statements at least somewhat childish sometimes?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification What a stupid question...
In any case, you were incorrect and you are not man enough to admit it. You said there is no prohibition against Muslim women and non-Muslim men in the Quran, there is, all Muslims know it, many westerners, you didn't. You won't admit to that, you think you can get away with saying, 'it occasionally happens' as if infidelity is OK cause it happens.
You are clearly intellectually perverted cause you can sustain that belief. Likewise for the other one
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason CounterReason, you are disgrace to yourself and an insult to everybody in your country. I stated correctly that in real life things are different. Do you believe every Christian practices what is stated in the Bible? If I would bring up all your lies in this ridiculous discussion there would be bloody many lies you would have to take responsibility for. That you call yourself a liberal democrat is a fucking joke.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Well, you have been commenting repeatedly for a good long while and failed to point out any so far. So... you are a fucking idiot. More stupidity and senseless meaningless shit pouring from your mouth. You said it was not in the Quran, you challenged the fella to find it in the Quran, I found it. You were wrong and you still can't admit it. This is the type of person you are. You are just a fucking liar. 0 integrity. None. You are incapable, mentally incapable of admission.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You are desperate. This ridiculous discussion was not about the Koran and you know it damn well. Your lies are numerous. One ridiculous statement is that you consider yourself a liberal democrat. What a joke. Another preposterous statement is that you said that Wilders ideas are aligned with the ACLU. Why is it that sites on the Internet that favor Wilders want to dismantle the ACLU you imbecile? You are a windbag with nothing to say unless its shameless racism and bigotry.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification The discussion isn't about the Quran, it is currently about your ignorance of the Quran. Something you are obliged to admit to before the argument progresses. You have to learn to accept that statements you made in ignorance can be put back into your face to teach you not to make shit up. You made up that bit about the assertions absence in the Quran, that is dishonest, and you have to admit to it.
I am a lib dem, you don't know what a lib dem is.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason I haven't engaged in a discussion about the Koran and marriage you cunt. You are fool, not a liberal democrat. Incidentally, an asshole.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You did too, you tried to get tell Nadoeloiskat that it wasn't in the Quran and challenged him to find it. I found it and put it in your face. Just admit it.
I am a liberal democrat. You are an idiot and you don't know what a liberal democrat is. I will not continue this line of argument with you. How can I convince you I am a liberal democrat when, do to a total lack of education and what must have been a poor upbringing, you don't know what one is.
countertreason 1 year ago
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@nadoeloiskat Answer my question: Do you seriously believe that Geert Wilders ideas about banning the Koran and putting a government tax on women wearing a headscarf is the way to go?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
Geert Rocks!
tyguy12 1 year ago
how come he wants to stop muslim immigration but doesnt wanna talk about all the other immigrants?
CaligirlSofia 1 year ago
What a bunch of nonsense and propaganda. Muslims have been living in European countries and the US, at least since the 1960's and 70's, and there were never any problems. This discourse and hate towards Islam started to gain popularity after 9/11, and it is counterproductive. Robert Spencer is a one trick pony and Wilders is beneath contempt.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You have no knowledge of the history of the West. None at all. If you don't understand that the dynamic between the so-called Judaeo-Christian world and the Islamic world is far more complex than you just presented it, then I will let it stand at that. I will trust in the knowledge of those reading to dismiss you. If you misspoke and wish to represent this history as somewhat less strained than now understood, that could be said.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Well, if you want to try to convince people that there is a Clash of Civilizations, you are apparently completely off the track.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification It is not necessary to convince people that there is a clash of civilizations, just that there is some incompatibility between Islamic ideology and western civilization. I also believe that Islam, given any sort of advantage, will, to a certain an non-exclusive extent, become ideological. Christianity, likewise.
Everyone is entitled to lack trust for Islam and Muslims. We just more widely know as much now.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Well, there are fanatics in every religion, dude. Christians, Muslims, and Judaism. We are on the wrong track if we blame one of the biggest religions in the world of causing most of the problems we are facing today. Don't you think so?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Depends. If we say "Islam is the source of the world's ills" then we are just frankly making stupid statements. Anybody who simplifies the matter as such will be ignored. However, if we say that the major threat to western civilization right now, as communism was before, is radical Islam and moderate Islams quiet sympathy for it, then we are merely identifying that which needs identification.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Well, that is basically what Geert Wilders tries to achieve. To blame societies ills on muslims. Do you earnestly think Wilders has anything of importance to say? I don't agree about Islam being a threat. It is depicted as a threat by the US neocons and Israel in order to preserve the occupation of Palestine, put the arab oil countries into submission and keep the weapons industry going.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Oh, no. I don't agree with that at all. The reason moderate Islam is not opposing, with any significant efforts, radical Islam is because all Islam shares a common identity. So when we kill a member of Al Qaeda we kill a Muslim. Moderates say 'stop killing Muslims and radical Muslims will stop.' We can't. Moderates in the middle east harbor them, etc. Geert believes that if you cannot be Dutch, if you are more Muslim than Dutch, get the fuck out of the Netherlands.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Why do you justify the killing of muslims? That was a preposterous statement. There are no linkages between moderate muslims and radical muslims unless you can prove it academically. Geert Wilders is wrong on all accounts. Everybody has a right to religious freedom in any civilized country. Geert Wilders also wants the Koran to be banned, which is completely preposterous.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification "There are no linkages between moderate muslims and radical muslims unless you can prove it academically."
Tell us, what is the "ummah"?
NickMcAvelly 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You did not take my reference to killing honestly, so I will not respond to your first statement. The linkage is between them is strictly what I said it was - the moderates are too enthusiastic about getting to us than to controlling their embarassing religion. Religious freedom, sure. Geert doesn't object to that. Muslims would stay who accepted western values. Koran to be banned? He wants American freedom. Books are banned in the Netherlands already, he said add the Koran.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Hey listen. I am tired of your propaganda. Read what Wilders have said instead of refute things he actually did say. He has advocated for a ban on the Koran. A simple google search would do. He wants to deport muslims, etc. That is not a democrat. That is the words of a fascist. He himself has loyalties to the fascists in Israel and is a friend of their fascist politician Avigdor Lieberman.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Wilders said that people who do not integrate/adapt to modern democratic europe should be deported. Islam is racist ideology and should not be practising in civilized world.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Well, according to that logic your hero Wilders should then be deported himself. Because his ideas are purely undemocratic. Islam is not an ideology. Islam is a religion. It is not racist. However, the ideology of Zionism that Wilders eagerly supports is racist.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Go to dictionary or wikipedia and read what racism stands for. Then ask yourself, what it is, when a muslim man have a right to marry a non-muslim women but not the opposite? Person who denies Allah and muhammad does not have the same rights by islamic IDEOLOGY. That is pure RACISM.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat It is preposterous that you even dare to speak about racism while you support a certified arab hater as Geert Wilders. It is laughable. Where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam? On the other hand, that statement is very similar to what is practiced in Israel today, and even worse, where Jews and Arabs are not allowed to marry. You are being a racist yourself by supporting Wilders.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Your denying that Islam is violent racist ideology is ignorant. Your racist statements and accusations against israel are barely accepted. However, power rules and Israel have more power than arabs. If it wouldn there would be no Israel. and there would be no Russia nor Europe. At least secular democratic one. Only strict islamic ideology under sharia law. Worldwide.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Your fascist leanings are explanatory when you say that power rules and not international law. Islam is not racist period. You cannot even prove that by evidence. Therefore, I repeat the question that you did not answer: where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam. Answer that question. Israel is a Jewish state and not a secular one you dimwit.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification My neighbour/friend was a moslem guy and i got close to islamic teaching. the imaam from his mosque gave a very clear clarification that a Muslim men can marry a non-muslim women but a muslim women cannot marry a non-muslim men. It is in the Quran. Islam is racist, sexist and violent ideology.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
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@nadoeloiskat Answer my question: Where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Quran, Sura 2, verse 221. Directly in the Quran and beyond dispute. Yet another instance where you are talking about something you have no clue about. It is in the fucking Quran. Not even the Hadith, directly in the foundational text of the religion. You burn in the fires, don't give your daughter to an infidel. Fuck man... you have no shame.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You can find barbaric statements in the Old Testament as well and justify Israeli aggressions on religious fundamentalism. Whoever to blame this conflict mostly on religion doesn't take you far.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification YOU DIRECTLY SAID IT WASN'T IN THE QURAN. I RESPONDED TO THAT. The fact is, even if the old testament is stupid, you are stupid because you make claims that aren't true. I quote, "Where did you get your information from about marriage and Islam? " You know what this refers to and you were blatantly and undeniably wrong. No bones about it.
Just straight wrong. You have no shame if you cannot say, "I was wrong." And that explains your politics.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason What a load of bull you are stating just to trying to make a point which in itself has no validity at all. Grow up.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Haha, you know you are wrong but you can't admit it. This is much to your disadvantage, because, in this, you were clearly wrong. So, even when you are undeniably wrong you can't admit it. On grey issues, then, people ought to believe me cause you would lie and deny in instances where you lacked confidence in yuor own veracity. You have no integrity.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You are the one having no integrity. The reason is that you think that certain human beings in the world have more value than others.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Ya, good people. Good honest individuals who make great countries that little pathetic ingrates like you immigrate to. Not the ones who sabotage and ruin the disgusting and lamentable countries you come from. We are worth more generally. And we wish that people like you only existed in those countries, but some decent people live there and are overwhelmed by your sort. Ignorant fucks who can't understand what the real problems of the world are. Your lack of morality.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason What a load of diatribe you are spewing. I almost feel sorry for you and your lack of reasoning and your ridiculous baseless ad hominems.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You have nothing to say. Nothing. You are the problem with the world. You fucking hypocrite. Sitting in the lap of luxury and not earning it by vindicating our goodness and trying to learn, so as to teach, your Arab brothers how they should actually behave. Whose example they should be following. Instead you pretend to righteous anger. Instead you pretend we are the bad guys. Instead you lie and deceive and offer little to no defense of your clearly incorrect statements.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You are starting to get off the cliff now with your statements since you completely run out of material.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification I ran out of material or you ran out of material. You are beginning to project. Instead of three sentences that pretend to some sort of inexpressible knowledge, why don't you just shut the fuck up, go back to the drawing board, read some books and try again.
You have been wrecked. You have been put to shame. You are an embarassment. You have nothing to say. Nothing.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason What books have you read you dimwit/Counterreason? Comical magazines does not count as books. Funny that you pat yourself on the back and claim that you have wrecked me and put me to shame, etc. Those statements clearly point out that you really are a little kid, sitting in front of a computer in your mum's basement and pretending to be tough.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification What are you sayin? That I love in my mom's basement? Complex, interesting. You are profound. You have nothing to say. Every attempt at argument you have made has relied on shaky foundations and you are scared to make arguments now.
You are a treasonous little hypocrite. A small man that admire me and my people so much as to live in our lands. He left the 'great' people he defends and, because of his shame of himself, pretends we are not great. We are. You are not.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Hey, Counterreason, you are busted. Why would I little kid like you who haven't experienced much in life and promote fascist and racist ideas? You are funny.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Hey, Counterreason, you are busted. Why would I admire a little kid like you, who haven't experienced much in life and promote fascist and racist ideas? You are funny indeed.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Keep on going with these replies. If you were an objective bystander would you not interpret the individual who repeats "facist and racist" again and again like a mantra as the individual who is bankrupt of ideas? Of course you would. Like the sitting individuals, arms folded 'round his legs, rocking back and forth telling himself, "he's a racist, don't listen to him."
You have been soundly trounced. Say what you need to. You really just ought to be ashamed of yourself.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason The terms fascist and racist are exactly what is relevant in this case. That's why it is important to emphasize it. You have no game, no arguments, except for mentioning things and make guesses about my personality and my background. That reflects how weak your argumentation is.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification I have incotestably dismissed three of your arguments, in fact, and proved you wrong. Not just probably, but absolutely. And you? What have you done? Name something you proved. What is something incorrect I have said that you have corrected me on? Objectively, I am making you look poorly researched and small-minded.
Instead of withdrawing from the discussion or learning your side better, you have called me terms that have no applicability to me in objective fact. U = idiot.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You have not managed to refute any of my arguments. Begin with answering my numerous questions that you have evaded. Your arguments are futile. You claim that you are a liberal democrat and support a fascist politician unconditionally. A politician who is friends with and looks up to Avigdor Lieberman. Get a grip.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Well, above I displayed the failed arguments of yours... beyond dispute. Everytime you say "you have not managed to refute any of my arguments" you do not declare that your arguments were not refuted; rather, you loudly declare, "I truly am crazy and have no idea what the meaning of any of the words I have said, or that you have said are, or what I am saying right now and how that applies." You have been refuted completely at least twice.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You have not refuted any of my arguments successfully. On the other hand, you try to mitigate the meaning of what your hero Wilders have stated. Is a proposition to tax women who wear the hijab a policy that is aligned with liberal democracy?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification When did i say that Israel is a secular state? Delusions? It doesnt matter you like it or not, its the raw sad fact that power rules first specially in that place. thats why arabs cannot do anything. Allah dont have enough powers against the Israel..
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Well you are supporting secular states if I your ramblings understand you correctly. Obviously not, if you support Israel. Power only rules in that conflict, because the US put their vetoes in the UN security council. You are a fool.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You're such a G.W.B. "either you with us or you're against us". When did i say i support Israel? Delusions!!!. It's a stonecold fact that Israel have econimic and military power to exist in that place surrounded by those huge moslem countries. Does USA support it? Of course it is Georgie! wake up!
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Israel only has power because of the USA. I already stated that. I asked you a question. You are a fucking idiot. There is nothing stated anywhere in Islam that muslim women don't have free choice of marriage. It is not in the Quran. Where in the Quran is it?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification And even if it were in the Quran, it has no validity in the 21st century.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification OK. now you're writing something extra-ordinary bizarre. if you're a moslem you should obey the islamic law, not 21st centurys modern western law. Of course if you're ignoring the writings of your Messenger Muhammad thats different. thats why i'm saying that ISLAM is racist ideology not necesseary muslim. and it is in the Quran. Have to go. PEACE.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat What the hell are you talking about? So a Christian should according to your logic obey every word in the Bible? You claim that it is allowed for a Muslim to marry non muslim women but not for muslim women to marry non muslim men. Please, tell me where to find that in the Koran. Then you have the audacity to talk about GWB stating "either you are with or against us". As a defender of Geert Wilders you have already embraced that philosophy.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification A christian should try to follow the Jesus and his examples. Thats why the "Father" sent his only beloved Son to earth (also to sacrifice himself for our sins). This is the christian ideology. I think, if everybody would do like Jesus did, there would no problems. But because Jesus was too perfect to our chimpazee related emotions, we cannot follow his path. P.S. Jesus never killed, never orders to kill. Actually he got killed by spreading "do not kill" ideology.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat I don't care about Jesus. What is relevant to this discussion is that Muslims are regular people like just Christians. If you profess that Islam is an evil religion, I recommend you to go and see a good doctor.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification A muslim should follow the Muhammad and his examples. Thats why the holy Allah made him a messenger. Islamic ideology. If everybody would do like Muhammad did, there would be no intelligent life in this world like we know it today. Muhammad killed, murdered and ordered to kill. P.S. All religions are false but Islam is totally out of date.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Islam is a religion, not an ideology. The Koran was written ages ago in a totally different society, you tool. Then you should answer your second lie in this discussion. You should answer: You claim that it is allowed for a Muslim to marry non muslim women but not for muslim women to marry non muslim men. Please, tell me where to find that in the Koran.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Muslim are people, moertal human beings, old, young, male, female, black, white etc. get that already. But do not even try to say that Islam is peaceful religion and those terrorist attacks has nothing to do with this ideology. It is said in the quran tha muslim men can marry a women from judeo-christian religion (Jew, Christian, Muslim). It does not say that women have the same right ( like it does not say about womens right pretty much at all).
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat haha you think that terrorist attacks were because of the Koran. You have already lied and said so much BS by now it's ridiculous. You have been well brainwashed. Please, tell me where in the Koran I can find that:It is said in the quran tha muslim men can marry a women from judeo-christian religion (Jew, Christian, Muslim). It does not say that women have the same right ( like it does not say about womens right pretty much at all).
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification And you said there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Please explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification The terrorist attacks were because of the Quran. This is the first time I think that you have made a blatantly retarded or undeniably deceitful statement. You hovered around it before. Those terrorist attacks happened for the reasons that Osama said they did. He is the only one that decides. Not you you little ignorant fuck. The Quran justified them.
You struggle with English, but 5:4 says men can marry non-muslim women, and 2:221 says women can't marry non-muslim men.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Instead of spouting incessant nonsense you'd better of keeping quite. Terrorist attacks are committed because of human injustice and oppression, not some old religious document. The only group in the whole world that gained from 9/11 were the Israelis. The only ignorant fuck would be you. What the hell has marriage to do with anything that we discussed? You lost control because I exposed you as a Zionist apologist and an individual who doesn't care about universal human rights.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification The only correct thing you said is that I am losing control. I don't understand how you could hold opinions that are so incredibly wrong. Explain why other victimized peoples of the world don't act like total assholes and maniacs. You can't. No one can. No one can explain why the Palestinians encourage their children to throw rocks (resembling grenades) at Israelis in the hopes they get shot to foster a sense of victimization. Its sick and disgusting. The Quran justifies all
countertreason 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification since your love toward Islam is so extreme, i suggest you to find a muslim imaam and ask him where it is in the quran and after that should talk more about Islam in general to get yourself to the right path in this life and finally become a peaceful muslim. Geert wilders is not my hero as much as Muhammad is yours.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Yes, Geert Wilders is your hero. Don't lie. Do you also want to ban the Koran? Your hero Wilders also wants to deport muslims who don't fullfil requirements of a proper European citizen. You are a joke for standing up for such disgusting fascists and hate mongerers as Wilders.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification And you are standing up for Islam, whose false prophet murdered POWs, raped widows and interfered with a nine year old girl. Yet as an atheist, you have dismissed Islam as a bunch of "fairy tales" and said that anyone who concerns themselves with Islamic teachings is "clearly sick". Do at least try to be consistent.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Listen, you are a Christian fundamentalist who for some reason hate Islam. I had enough of you already and your ramblings.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
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@Cornucopiaification You said there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Please explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam, who considers its teachings to be "fairy tales" and who said that anyone who concerns themselves with it's teachings is "clearly sick". Islam's false prophet murdered POWs, raped a widow, stole another man's wife and married a six year old child. And here you are defending Islam. (On the subject of marriage, do you think it's ok for grown men to marry six year old girls, as the Islamic prophet - their "ideal man" - did?)
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 You don't make sense. You are a Christian fundamentalist. Go listen to Pat Robertson instead of communicating with me.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification A Christian fundamentalist called "GoatBoy"? There's a first!
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Well, there has to be a first. By looking at your ridiculous comments, it is clear that you are a Christian zealot.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
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@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam and believe that anyone who concerns themselves with its teachings is "clearly sick". Islam's prophet murdered POWs, raped a widow, stole another man's wife and married a six year old child. Since *you* wish to discuss marriage within the context of Islam, pray tell, do you think it's acceptable for grown men to marry six year old girls, as the Islamic prophet - the "ideal man" - did?
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Go to your local fundamentalist church and stop stalking me with your nonsensical and childish comments.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Listen, give it up. Your statements and arguments don't make sense. But if you want to talk to yourself, please do so.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification All you have to do is explain how *you* came to believe that Islam is made up of "fairy tales" and its adherents are "clearly sick".
Either it is possible to do this by studying the teachings and history of Islam, in which case I'm right.
Or *you* employed some kind of racist thinking in order to evaluate Islam, which speaks only to *your* intellectual limitations.
So either I'm right, or *you" are a racist.
There's your dilemma - choose a horn.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 so what you're saying is, speaking against islam is the key factor in what makes someone a racist. Religion has destroyed humanity and has done the exact opposite of what it preaches, all in the name of god. This is why some would say, it's only a fairytale.
XxUrSoLoStxX 1 year ago
@XxUrSoLoStxX Entirely wrong. Corny is trying to argue that if anyone criticises Islam then they are engaging in a racist pursuit. But Corny himself has evaluated Islam (see pt. 1 of Wilders' interview) and said it is made up of fairy tales etc. Either I am right and this is not a racist pursuit at all, or Corny (if he insists it is) condemns himself as a racist. This is the dilemma before Cornucopiafication.
NickMcAvelly 1 year ago
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@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You still have to address the following matter: You insisted that there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
NickMcAvelly 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You consider Islam to be "fairy tales". As an atheist, you reject its teachings.
If you evaluated Islam by examining its teachings and reading its holy books then you acknowledge that it is possible to do precisely that. Consequently your notion that criticisng Islam is inherently "racist" is refuted.
If *you* employed racist thinking when *you* made your evaluation of Islam, then that speaks only to *your* intellectual limitations.
There's your dilemma. Choose a horn.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Goatloverboy, you are a Christian fundamentalist repeating the same arguments day in and day out like some kind of robot. Get off my back you stalker.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You are the person who lives in the western democratic cociety. Who gets all the benefits from it. and yet you defend the islamic ideology. It's a new fashion right now in western world - no matter what happens, always find the reason to blame yourself. You just ignore the reality. Go search for islamic cleric and ask him about the marital status/rights between men/women in Islam.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat No, you were the one talking about marriage status and referring to the Koran. Therefore, you should tell me were to find that in the Koran since you said it is to be found there. Religion has nothing whatsoever to do with what anybody gets in what you call Western society. Get over it. Stop blaming a religion for societies ills. What's popular today is hate towards muslims and that is what you have.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You're a smart guy but you dont get the point. It is written in the Quran that muslim men can marry a non muslim women but not the opposite. It is written in the Quran that mens value is twice as for womens value (in courts etc). You said that you dont care about the Jesus. You obviosly care about the Muhammad and Islam. Thats why you're so racist against Israel. I'm pro-democratic and i realise the fact why EU have to spend billions of euros to prevent illegal immigration.
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Hey listen, your statements are so full of contradictions it makes me sick. You are the one having racist views if anybody so quite pontificating to me about racism. Israel is a racist state in its foundations. I asked you to point out where in the Koran I can find your statements but you cannot give this information. Also, I said even if it said things you claim it is an ancient writing from a completely different society than today.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Do you seriously believe that Geert Wilders ideas about banning the Koran and having a tax on women wearing a headscarf is the way to go?
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You know.. Its not the "muslims" who should get deported from the west. It is people like you who should feel the difference living in the place which gives you the rights to your own opinions without getting arrested and jailed..
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
@nadoeloiskat Interesting, you totally got off the track and showed your true fascist colors.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
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@Cornucopiaification And you said there was no connection whatsoever between "radical" Muslims and "moderate" Muslims. Please explain to everyone what the "ummah" is.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You consider Islam to be "fairy tales". As an atheist, you reject its teachings.
If you evaluated Islam by examining its teachings and reading its holy books then you acknowledge that it is possible to do precisely that. Consequently your notion that criticisng Islam is inherently "racist" is refuted.
If *you* employed racist thinking when *you* made your evaluation of Islam, then that speaks only to *your* intellectual limitations.
There's your dilemma. Choose a horn.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Your dilemma is that you cannot debate and that you are too stupid to understand simple cause and effects. Islam is the religion associated mostly with Arabs. Therefore, to demonize that religion is to demonize arab people. It as simple as that. And stop stalking me.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Your use of emotive language is telling. Now please address the dilemma I put before you.
How did you evaluate Islam and come to the conclusion that it is made up of "fairy tales"?
How did you arrive at the conclusion that anyone who concerns themself with the teachings of Islam is "clearly sick"?
Either it's possible to criticise Islam by reading its holy texts and studying its history, or you're a racist.
Which is it?
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 Again, you don't make sense. You cannot even form a coherent set of sentences. Stop stalking me.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification Here's how the world works. If *you* decide to air your absurd theories online, in a forum open to the public, then people with either a) a better education than you, b) a greater understanding of Islam, c) more common sense, or d) all of the above, are going to point out the problems with your thinking to you. As the saying goes, if you can't stand the heat ... then get out of the kitchen.
GoatBoy36 1 year ago
@GoatBoy36 I enjoy your tenacity, frankly, and, for once, you shall receive a thank you for an otherwise thank-less task - fighting lunatics like Cornucopia. Guys like this clog up youtube channels with their poorly thought out drivel all the time; baseless, puerile and pseudo-intellectual garbage supported by out of context facts or even, in fact, mostly, no facts at all.
But we can't let the discussions end with their words. They cannot be inscribed for all to see. Good work.
countertreason 1 year ago
@Cornucopiaification You're an atheist who has rejected Islam, who considers its teachings to be "fairy tales" and who thinks anyone who concern