@BobTheBuilder378: I put this one out before the release of the medecoder. At that point I was still in talks with Medeco and we were working out the fix. The groovegrabber used was from a medecoder (nice catch!), but I used no scale tube to not let the cat out of the bag too early. You're correct, though, it is possible to pick by testing for false gates for binding of the sidebar legs alone (which is how the project started). I still recommend using a scale tube, it makes it even easier.
So I see that you don't even bother with the index markings on your medecoder anymore. You just go right in and do what needs to be done. Can you feel the pins binding on the fingers of the sidebar?
It depends on what you practice with, really. I pick almost everything in-hand because it takes up less space and doesn't require the set-up time that a mounted lock does. Because of this, I'm more comfortable picking in-hand. Some of the competition crowd find mounted locks easier, though. Picking mounted stuff also frees up both of your hands.
However, both methods are equally capable. If you can pick a lock in-hand, you can also pick it mounted. It just might be a little more awkward.
Oh, by the way! Have you tried the Miwa lock that has a magnetic key! I had this lock on my door but I screwed up the key with another magnet! I had to bust my latch to get in my room. LOL! I liked the lock though!
Nope, I haven't gone after the magnetic stuff yet. I'd like though, it would certainly require some creative tool design. Also you reminded me of another cylinder that our community hasn't picked yet: Evva MCS. If anyone can get that thing open, it would be insane.
Thanks! The slider is really just a key control feature. It was never designed to provide pick resistance. Once you handle the other aspects of the lock, I find that the slider becomes an "open lock" button.
After doing a bit of research I do believe they can be picked! But you must understand how hard it is to believe unless your actually an eye-witness! So no hard feelings... I do wish you would write a book on picking though! I'd buy it!
I do understand, thank you for doing the research. It's a big step to believe something is possible. I believe that all keyed mechanical locks can be opened non-destructively. The only one I can think of off-hand that I don't believe has been picked yet (by hobbyists anyway) is the Abloy Protec (and a few of the high-sec lever safe locks). We haven't cracked that one yet, but we're working on it. Approach the lock as a puzzle and find the flaws...nothing is perfect.
I don't think the doubters are idiots at all. Medeco are still great locks; thats why I enjoy them so much. The vast majority of locksmiths I've met also believe they cannot be picked (at least consistently). This is partially due to marketing, difficulty, and practicality. It's not the job of a locksmith to pick Medeco, I'm sure they have easier ways to get the cylinder out of the door during a lockout. The only folks that really go after them are the hobbyists and the covert entry crowd.
@BobTheBuilder378: I put this one out before the release of the medecoder. At that point I was still in talks with Medeco and we were working out the fix. The groovegrabber used was from a medecoder (nice catch!), but I used no scale tube to not let the cat out of the bag too early. You're correct, though, it is possible to pick by testing for false gates for binding of the sidebar legs alone (which is how the project started). I still recommend using a scale tube, it makes it even easier.
jkthecjer 10 months ago
So I see that you don't even bother with the index markings on your medecoder anymore. You just go right in and do what needs to be done. Can you feel the pins binding on the fingers of the sidebar?
BobTheBuilder378 10 months ago
Wouldn't the lock bieng in the door be a little more difficult to pick? You wouldn't be able to manipulate the angles to suit your needs right?
TalesFromTheKeyboard 2 years ago
It depends on what you practice with, really. I pick almost everything in-hand because it takes up less space and doesn't require the set-up time that a mounted lock does. Because of this, I'm more comfortable picking in-hand. Some of the competition crowd find mounted locks easier, though. Picking mounted stuff also frees up both of your hands.
However, both methods are equally capable. If you can pick a lock in-hand, you can also pick it mounted. It just might be a little more awkward.
jkthecjer 2 years ago
Nice job, and to think that some people had doubt you, what a bunch of morons!
Brute4rce 2 years ago
Nice job.
rasoros 2 years ago
That was a beast!!!!Very few vids of medecos being picked!
lokpikr999 3 years ago
I'm sure the millions of companys that have this lock would love to see this.
michealj1966 3 years ago
Oh, by the way! Have you tried the Miwa lock that has a magnetic key! I had this lock on my door but I screwed up the key with another magnet! I had to bust my latch to get in my room. LOL! I liked the lock though!
chieflittlehorse 3 years ago
Nope, I haven't gone after the magnetic stuff yet. I'd like though, it would certainly require some creative tool design. Also you reminded me of another cylinder that our community hasn't picked yet: Evva MCS. If anyone can get that thing open, it would be insane.
jkthecjer 3 years ago
very good!
blackcatmaster 3 years ago
Wow!
Awesome work 5*
I noticed you didn't use a paperclip for the sidebar, as other lockpickers do.. how did you deal with it?
captainjerry88 3 years ago
Thanks! The slider is really just a key control feature. It was never designed to provide pick resistance. Once you handle the other aspects of the lock, I find that the slider becomes an "open lock" button.
jkthecjer 3 years ago
After doing a bit of research I do believe they can be picked! But you must understand how hard it is to believe unless your actually an eye-witness! So no hard feelings... I do wish you would write a book on picking though! I'd buy it!
chieflittlehorse 3 years ago
I do understand, thank you for doing the research. It's a big step to believe something is possible. I believe that all keyed mechanical locks can be opened non-destructively. The only one I can think of off-hand that I don't believe has been picked yet (by hobbyists anyway) is the Abloy Protec (and a few of the high-sec lever safe locks). We haven't cracked that one yet, but we're working on it. Approach the lock as a puzzle and find the flaws...nothing is perfect.
jkthecjer 3 years ago
Cylinder still disappears out of sight! I'm just a stubborn son-of-a-gun!
chieflittlehorse 3 years ago
awesome job... hahaha what kinda of an idiot doubted you?? hahaha
joshuacodywilson 3 years ago
This kind of idiot... that's who...
chieflittlehorse 3 years ago
I don't think the doubters are idiots at all. Medeco are still great locks; thats why I enjoy them so much. The vast majority of locksmiths I've met also believe they cannot be picked (at least consistently). This is partially due to marketing, difficulty, and practicality. It's not the job of a locksmith to pick Medeco, I'm sure they have easier ways to get the cylinder out of the door during a lockout. The only folks that really go after them are the hobbyists and the covert entry crowd.
jkthecjer 3 years ago
im just saying, knowing jk, there int much doubt.... but i guess you would have to be a member of lp101 with advanced access to know all...
joshuacodywilson 3 years ago