@AmericanPrincess109 yes an adult women & fetus is different BUT the point she is trying to make is that a fetus is a human being what about them?? A fetus is a being and the fetus inside of a human is a human fetus meaning that it IS a human being !!
Hmm, lets respond to funding to Medicade being cut from ONE area by cutting funding from all areas of Medicade. There, that'll fix the problem of people not being helped by Medicade.
@AmericanPrincess109 exactly! they're two different creatures so why do women claim the babies' lives as their own 'choice' to murder or not? Good observation they are completely different
why do people even bother arguing about the existance of something they can't even see? you can not prove the existance of something when you yourself don't really even know it is there. people will use anything as evidence for or against the existance of God. no evidence is real evidence, because you don't know WHERE it came from! no one will know if there is a god until they die, and your opinions won't change the beliefs of others. nobody wins the debate. ever. just quit while you're at it.
@MrsMadison4ever1 you can if you find the right one, small churches make you feel closer and involved, my church is very informal, we don't even have some big church leader. it's just a bunch of Christians who want to get together to praise God, and pray for each other
@turtlelackie thats nice, but once again, no matter how many people who are being nice to you, most of it isn't real. or they end up trying to preach to you or tell you you're wrong for not believing what they believe. and if you are unsure about what you believe they go nuts by trying to help you "find" those beliefs but really all they are doing is shoving God down your throat.
fertilized eggs are not considered a pregnancy. because every month your body flushes out fertilized eggs. so any woman with a menstrual cycle must be a serial killer then? life does not begin at conception.
If anyone here watches True Blood......Lila Rose = Sarah Newlin from the Fellowship of the Sun. But most people on this video most likely don't watch scary HBO lmao
we should keep pp maybe we should lower the funding if it only serves lower than 1% but pp majorly does abortions, just because you dont like free choice doesnt mean you should close them down plus it makes jobs for people
@chrlskrkl free choice is made after you can accurately see all the facts. How many abortion risks do you know? It's not a "safe" as they claim it is. Not only that but promoting false knowledge kinda leaves your "choices" based on a agenda. Plus in the video, they blatantly claimed not to service people on Medicaid or do all women's health procedures.
I love how pro-aborts always want those opposed to them to shut up and and on the other hand how pro-lifers want pro-aborts to keep talking because it becomes so much easier to demonstrate the grave errors in their logic. Or to shine a big spotlight on the lies that they tell in an attempt to coerce people into thinking abortion is healthy and somehow liberates women.
@CatholicAmerican i wasn't attacking what she was saying, i was telling her to shut up because she was talking over everyone and i couldn't hear what anyone was saying. that really has nothing to do with my views on abortion...
@CatholicAmerican by the way, "pro-abort?" i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice and yes there is a difference. i don't really like abortions, but making them illegal is irresponsible. because once they are no longer available, girls will find different ways to abort their pregnancy. more risky and dangerous ways. anyway, i wasn't really attacking what Lila was saying, i just couldn't hear anything they were saying because she was talking over everyone.
This is the age of the internet. You can re-watch things if you missed a point. Lila only speaks at the conclusion of every misrepresentation that Sally makes. Here interruptions were coherent and appropriate.
@CatholicAmerican are you on your period or something? There is a medication for that. It's called Midol. Hey, maybe Planned Parenthood can give you some of that! Calm down.
@CatholicAmerican i'm not dodging anything. you are taking this converstation way too seriously! what points are you talking about? i was tired and bored at 1:00 in the morning writing that and you are trying to make something out of a conversation that literally means nothing! you are treating me like i just ran over your cat! am i some terrible person likes to kill babies because i told a pro-lifer to stop talking over someone? like i said, calm down.
Again, you do realize we are on the internet right? You have no ability to observe my demeanor so there are no real grounds for you to make the suggestion that anyone calm down.
I'm not excited about anything. You typed an off handed remark and I used it as a teaching event. There's nothing excited about it. This is how many people use the internet and there is nothing objectively wrong with that.
In fact, the things you are typing are objectively an overreaction to my statements.
The point of your first comment was "shut up". The point of my first comment was that pro "choice" people are always looking for ways to try and silence those who highlight errors and inconsistencies with the actions of the abortion industry.
Am I misrepresenting anything?
Then I called you out on the reality that pro "choice" necessitates being pro abortion or there is no choice involved.
You do realize that because I choose to hang out on youtube comment streams instead of playing "angry birds" or sudoku or fantasy football, that doesn't mean I'm being "excited" right?
Shouldn't we all want to have people engaging in open dialogue about such hot topic issues for the sake of stripping away polemics and highlighting biological facts and reality?
@CatholicAmerican and do you realize that in the past few minutes you have posted multiple comments about how you are not getting excited? wouldn't you agree that that contradicts what the comments themselves actually say? all i was trying to say was i couldn't hear Sally because Lila kept talking over her and interrputing her.
It doesn't contradict anything. You still have no ability to see my demeanor and how much of a kick I am getting from watching you posit the same "excited" comment over and over.
Your actions are also highlighting that pro-aborts want to discuss anything but abortion and are always looking for some way to move to other topics.
This satisfies me because it is a real life instance that coincides with this general observation of pro-aborts.
I collect youtube comments. I use them to help me inform my world view.
I have found that abortion advocates (in general) are very stunted in their intellectual growth. They are not educated in the trivium (grammar, logic, and rhetoric), it usually stops after grammar. They have very little understanding of epistemology and they usually subscribe to relativism (that there is no such thing as truth, order, and that facts are just opinions that change from person to person.
@CatholicAmerican okay cool. i'm really sorry, i'd like to continue this conversation with you but i am too depressed right now, there is a lot going on in my life at the moment, otherwise i'd gladly continue talking. sorry
@CatholicAmerican and by the way, please stop implying that i am pro-abortion. not once have i ever said that i was, nor have i really given you the reason to think i was. i am not arguing with you about morals or logic or whatever. i was sort of amused by the things you said during our discussion earlier, but now on a more serious note, im not pro life, im not pro choice, i am pro-shut-the-fuck-up-i-am-depressed as of now.
@MrsMadison4ever1 You really can't expect anything out of this type of person but venom, personal attacks, emotionally-charged defensive statements with zero evidence to back up their bullshit, and willful ignorance. It is what their mythological religion teaches them from day one. Believing with no evidence is somehow a virtue to these people.
@Silvertaker no it doesn't, I have plenty of evidence, like the scientific facts that were in the Bible before it was discovered and how archaeology has never contradicted the Bible
@turtlelackie Oh, you mean like how "God" lists bats among birds in two places in the Bible? Or maybe you mean how there are claims of a big Flood - that there is NO evidence for in the geological records. Or perhaps you are talking about how Adam was created within a week of everything else - yet science has proven that mankind has only existed in the last 100-250k years, while life itself has been around far longer. Please, spare me.
@anglaisfemme2 it is true, go to thepillkills website for more info. also itr causes heart-attacks and other deadly side effects, the pill companies face thousands of claims
@Silvertaker religion is such a sensitive subject. i totally agree with you that religion is corrupted, but i am not going to call their beliefs mythological, as you put it, or fake, or a fairy tale, mainly because i haven't found an argument that maks any sense on either side. a thiest can not prove there is a god, just like an athiest can not prove there isn't one. so basically both sides are arguing based off opinion and what they THINK they kknow.
@MrsMadison4ever1 I cant say whether there is a force in existence, a mover and shaker, so to speak. But the God so many believe in? No. Impossible and illogical. No believer has ever answered this riddle - because they can't:
@MrsMadison4ever1 many protestant churches where I live aren't, we don't even have a church leader, we wear jeans to church and sing christian rock music along with old hymns, no one would think bad of you for missing a few services either, it's just a bunch of Christians who get together to praise God
@turtlelackie my mother goes to a church like that. its nice to hang out with people there, but once you get to the subject of God, if you don't believe, or if you say you don't agree, they immediately get all defensive. church is full of fake self-righteous people who all pretend to be interested in their religion, and other naive people who buy into it and never question anything.
@turtlelackie what denomination are you? my mom is pentacostal. i have been to a lot of churches...and sadly, they all have that problem i mentioned before, even though 1% of them actually see it.
@turtlelackie Well, then, blame your God for abortion and the death of "babies" as you call it. More pregnancies are terminated through miscarriage or accident than are ever aborted, making your God the most prolific abortionist of all. Also, he lets us "liberal baby killers" abort the babies - so he is directly responsible through his inaction. You can also lay every other death, torture, sexual abuse, war right at his door - and don't tell me "God works in mysterious ways". There is no excuse.
@Silvertaker everything he does to us makes us stronger and changes us into who we are meant to be, i was assaulted as a kid and it made me more understanding of the pain of others and more aware of the world around me. and miscarriage doesn't outnumber abortions, millions of children are killed every year. And miscarriages are because the was something wrong with the mother or child, not because the mother didn't feel like taking responsibility.
@turtlelackie Way to ignore my points, and be completely wrong about the statistics. More children have died through miscarriage, accidents, acts of "God", wars, disease, famine, etc than abortion could even begin to touch. Lay those deaths at the door of your bloodthirsty, jealous, childish God. Also go ahead and lay all the abortion deaths at his door too, since if he were both all-powerful and benevolent he would prevent them. But he isn't, because he doesn't. fucking. exist.
@Silvertaker my opinion: God made the world and everything has a purpose, Your opinion: the world created itself. Even the big bang doesn't explain how the matter got there, The chances of world creating itself in the orderly fashion it is in would be like a tornado going through a junkyard and assembling a flyable aircraft with a full tank of gas
@turtlelackie Ah the good ole "Ultimate 747" chestnut. Here's the problem, genius: Your argument says the world could not have "created itself" (which is not what any intelligent person believes, but I'll go with it). The problem with your argument is that you use God as a solution to that problem, leaving yourself with an even bigger problem: Where did "God" come from? The chances of your God being created from nothing are far more remote than a tornado making a 747 out of a junkpile. Try again
@Silvertaker God always existed, he exists outside of the law of our universe that says that everything must have a creator and a beginning, he created those laws
@turtlelackie There is not even a single, microscopic shred of evidence of that, whereas logic alone disproves the existence of your dictator-in-the-sky. I'm done arguing the topic with you. There is no reasoning with the unreasonable, and I cannot make you any less of a credulous fool, no matter how much evidence I provide.
@Silvertaker it's in the bible, the bible is the word of God, the scientific evidence in the bible is amazing. The world is even described as being round
@turtlelackie Leviticus 11-13: ‘These, moreover, you shall detest among the birds; they are abhorrent, not to be eaten: the eagle and the vulture and the buzzard, 19: and the stork, the heron in its kinds, and the hoopoe, and the BAT. <---- God thinks bats are birds. Don't be ridiculous.
@turtlelackie I'm done. You're the worst kind of absolutely blind, slavishly devoted theist. Ignoring every evidential claim I have put before you and stubbornly pursuing your willful ignorance until the end. I only wish I could be there to laugh at you when oblivion takes you upon death, or that your personality would extend beyond the lights going out for you to know I was right. I'm done. Don't bother responding.
Lila backs it all up with documents and facts and the other woman uses hearsay, scare tactics, "women's rights", and grossly twisted facts to support her case. Anyone who looks into this from a logical standpoint will find the truth. There's a reason for the many felony cases (over 20 in Kansas City alone) and criminal charges against PP. Live Action didn't make it up, they reported it, as journalists USED to do.
@mdlagreca Doesn't sound like it - sounds like she wants to control peoples' bodies on the basis of her religious mania, and will hurt as many people as she can to do it. Pity, so ugly on the inside, so gorgeous on the outside.
@Silvertaker Abortion hurts women. Lila is working to save these women from a world of heartache later. Not to mention, the life of the unborn babies they are carrying. She doesn't have to base her effort on religion. She can base it on facts. Science is more and more proving that unborn babies are just as much a person as you or I. Lila is just fighting to make sure these helpless people have equal rights.
@mdlagreca Abortion properly applied also keeps women's lives from being ruined. No one likes the idea of abortion, as it is invasive, and carries heavy emotional connotations (though let's be honest here, the emotional heaviness of it mostly comes from the stigmatizing of the medical procedure by either religious loons or people who are overly-emotional about the topic to begin with). But no, science is not "more and more proving" anything like what you assert.
And the language she uses gives her away. Doctors don't perform abortions, to her, they "commit" them. She sees it as some crime. She talks about pro-choice people as if they just want to see babies destroyed. When a gathering of cells is not a baby. Now, some argument could be made for late-term abortions, on that front. But early? No. And don't bother telling me science says otherwise - because it certainly does not.
@Silvertaker Well even if science cant yet prove to you that a baby is a full human person from the moment of conception it certainly doesnt prove otherwise.
Abortion IS a crime whether our government recognizes it as such or not.
I find it strange that you imply that "pro-choice" people dont want to see babies destroyed. What else is being destroyed if not a baby?! If you support abortion, you support the destruction of human life - whether you call it a baby, embryo or "clump of cells"
@mdlagreca The language you use her to defend your position has the same stink of unsupported emotionalism that religion does. You assert that abortion is a crime, but you have no proof or evidence or even theories as to why this may be, other than an emotional argument with nothing to back it up. Pro-choice people would probably choose another option, if one existed. Perhaps transplanting a fetus from a donor to someone who actually WANTS to procreate, or something of that nature....(to be cont
@Silvertaker If you're having trouble with options, I'll give you some hints. There's always adoption if you don't want or can't support your child. There's many good parents out there who would love to raise your child. Oh, here's a good one. If you're not ready to have a child, DON'T HAVE SEX! Ya know, one of the main causes of pregnancy is sexual intercourse. There's a good CHOICE for ya.
Your own argument is more backed on emotions and less backed on science than my argument.
@mdlagreca Here's an idea, let's create a center where we can provide services that will mostly PREVENT pregnancies whoaaaaa. Been going to planned parenthood since i was 17 for my birth control pills (which have been free because i'm poor). I am now 21, about to graduate from college, and have never been pregnant. Huh. Guess planned parenthood did something right with me.
@anglaisfemme2 the point is that you could have gone somewhere else, and you probably never got pregnant because the pill is an Abortifacient, something they forget to tell millions of women.
@turtlelackie Why should I have to go somewhere else when Planned Parenthood is 3 miles from where I live, is easily accessible, a name I trust, and is free? I also highly doubt that the pill causes abortions, it actually prevents ovulation. And if you're going to tell me "that's what planned parenthood taught you" no, it's not. That's what my human sexuality university course taught me. You just need a good dick inside you to dislodge whatever stick has embedded itself in your frigid ass.
@turtlelackie I'm not going to believe some random fucking video on youtube over my professor from college who is also a physician and gynecologist and has been one for over 20 years.
@anglaisfemme2 Well I would have to disagree with that statement too, sorry to say. Among other reasons, I'm against birth control because it is partially an abortifacient. That means that after attempting to artificially prevent a conception from happening, it will then prevent that newly formed embryo from implanting in your uterus. That's an abortion. Of course you don't even know that it's happening, but by taking the Pill, you're agreeing to that as a possible outcome.
@mdlagreca-" Most birth control pills are "combination pills" containing a combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation (the release of an egg during the monthly cycle). A woman cannot get pregnant if she doesn't ovulate because there is no egg to be fertilized. The Pill also works by thickening the mucus around the cervix, which makes it difficult for sperm to enter the uterus and reach any eggs that may have been released." that quote is from kidshealth . org
@anglaisfemme2 Yes, those are the main effects of the pill, but it also works as an abortifacient.
Check out Randy Alcorn's book "Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions?" You can download it free: w ww . epm . org / static / uploads / downloads / bcpill . pdf
He includes compelling evidence that may cause you to rethink your position.
@mdlagreca Why should someone be forced to go through the pain and the discomfort of carrying a child to term if they don't want to? Who are you to force them into that position? No one, is who. As for the no-sex line - just laughing at that one. Not gonna happen. Sex is fun, it's relaxing, it's therapeutic, and people will do it, period. Think on this, genius: more pregnancies end by miscarriage, INCLUDING late term, than are ever aborted. God is the most prolific abortionist of all. ;)
@turtlelackie The resulting child isnt a child immediately, it is the gathering of cells to begin the formation of a fetus, then a fetus, etc etc so on and so forth. No right to kill a human being, no. Right to deal with a parasite growing inside your body that you may not want? Yes.
@Silvertaker it has it's own DNA, it isn't a part of you, and fetus is just another stage of human life, humans should be protected no matter what stage of life they are in. Mother Teresa once said it is a poverty for a child to die so that you may live as you wish
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
@galerouth the baby isn't doing it on purpose, the mother chose to have sex, you dont have a right to kill it so there is no other option, death is worse than having to give birth. you cant punish a baby for your mistakes, grow up
@turtlelackie here's the thing. If I actually AM pregnant, meaning I take a pregnancy test and I am positive (not some clump of cells that hasn't even implanted yet) I could not make the choice to abort it. I would not abort it because at that point I wouldn't feel right doing it. (unless I had been raped, then I would). But I will not force my own personal decisions on abortion on other women. Especially when it comes to date rape or rape in general induced abortions.
it isn't a baby, but an embryo or fetus, and i'm pretty sure a tapeworm isn't harming the human host on purpose either, but that person decided to eat improperly cooked foods....so by your logic, don't kill a tapeworm.
i got it.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
you do KNOW that abortion is a civil and constitutional right? it means i can kill it, if and when i want to, as long as it's legal.
@galerouth hahaha i like how you use words like embryo and fetus when those are stages of development in a HUMAN life. Like adolescent, infant, etc, fetus and embryo simply refer to stages of human development. I like how you use scare tactics though although its probably not working out really well
@turtlelackie Mother Theresa also said condoms were bad - condoms that could prevent the spread of HIV and AIDS across the African continent. She was no moral compass. She also lied her ass off to a lot of uneducated people - she was an atheist, at the end of her life, and a hypocrite of the highest order. So I wouldn't go around using her as a quotation machine, were I you.
@Silvertaker that and again you're wrong. it's so bad to go through a pregnancy? Not every pregnancy is risking the mother's life or so painful you just have to have an abortion. High risk pregnancies occur usually when the mother already has an underlying condition. It sucks, sure but you can do it if you're healthy. 10-15% of miscarriages out of all the people being born in the world is not a accurate representation of All pregnancies. make your arguments not about religion but FACTS.
@acidsprinkle5950 And how is it yours, or anyone else's, right to force someone to go through something you yourself admit "sucks" for no benefit to themselves, if they don't want to? Simple answer - it is not. If someone doesn't want to do something - or does want to do something - with their own body it is solely their decision and not yours, nor anyone else's. Trying to enforce your will on someone's person is the worst kind of totalitarianism. Disgusting.
@Silvertaker And who says I''m "forcing" people? You're making extreme assumptions based on my comment. And in such an informed world we live in, with multiple birth control options, people can opt to prevent an unplanned pregnancy. I'm only for abortion in the case of incest, rape or extreme danger to the mother. Lila's stating her opinion, the great thing about opinions is that you can agree or disagree. Plus she got information backing up her claims with her undercover work.
But as long as abortion is the only option that does not involve a real human being forced into carrying a fetus to full-term and delivering it against their will, it will be used, it will NOT be illegal no matter what religion wants, and that is that. As for what is being destroyed? A collection of cells that has no developed enough to have a mind, or even a central nervous system in most cases to feel pain with. Period. That is a scientific fact, at least for early term termination.
@Silvertaker So of course you have the studies to prove that a human person does not hit the "human" stage until it has a functional brain, a central nervous system, and the ability to feel pain. Science proves that those things are what defines a human being? No. It doesn't.
@mdlagreca Science can tell us at what stage physical suffering is possible, yes. Religion can tell us when someone is a human being? No. It can tell us nothing whatsoever. Any pushed agenda based on that idea from pro-life advocates is just that. An agenda. With emotional arguments that has no basis in evidence.
@Silvertaker Ok so apparently repeating your same points over and over again will somehow make your viewpoint true. I'm sorry, but no matter what you want to believe, science will never prove that a fetus, clump of cells, or whatever you want to call it, is NOT a human being. You may rightfully say that science doesn't yet prove that it IS a human being, but that does not, by any means, prove your point.
There is a comment that I just read under Lila's Blog that I think frames the abortion mentality against poverty and humanity. Here it is.
"There is nothing more horrible and disgusting than birth of another unwanted welfare baby."
Great job "Darrin T" I'm sure Planned Parenthood is proud to have such a clear thinker as you in their ranks of supporters, you twisted freak. What an absolutely repulsive thing for you to say.
This is why Planned Parenthood gets so angry when the Abortion topic is in the media cycle. They tell lies when they are on camera and now that we are in the age of the internet, people can quickly review and re-review the recorded media and properly scrutinize the content of what is being said. Here on youtube we can even put a time stamp in our comments that fast forwards to the moment in question like what you are saying here 6:33 "Let's tell a different story".
this ppl are stupid, there are women who can't go on medicaid because they make too much money, but can't afford health insurance.
THEY WILL SUFFER.
pro-life schizophrenic fascists support reproductive slavery of women and are willing to let poor women/children suffer because these state lost their medicaid funding---just so these states can get rid of planned parenthood are other abortion providers.
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." answers com/symbiosis: gale
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" thefreedictionary com/parasite
800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indiana a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indian a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." answers com/symbiosis: gale
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" thefreedictionary com/parasite
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
Women don't need Planned Parenthood (PP) for their health care, but PP needs women & tax dollars to continue lining their pockets. PP needs women to come into their doors in order that they may continue to exploit women (through abortion) for their financial profit.
Typical liberal tactic to start talking about some isolated and exaggerated case when presented with the gruesome facts of abortion. Sort of like when Obama kept bringing up that one lady who couldn't get health care while ignoring the fact that he was SOCIALIZING MEDICINE in AMERICA. Please do not watch this video after two giant cups of coffee because you will pop a blood vessel.
You see clearly that Sally doesn't bring any coherent points to the table at 3:38
Secularists need to be interrupted if they are just stalling and trying to disrupt dialogue that puts the spotlight on the gravely disordered actions of secularist ideology. 800 clinics! And somehow, because 2 out of 800 are in prisons, that does not justify what Sally is pushing. It's an intellectually offensive talking point that should be cut off. Lila was on point, Sally wasn't.
And again you see Sally pushing a debunked talking point at 5:00
She even turns tail and runs from it after Lila responds with Facts and at 5:26 Sally sees the need to run from these facts and try and change the subject to what she calls the "larger issue" which I think was meant to insinuate that because Lila is against abortion, people shouldn't listen to her on the issue of Planned Parenthood bullies taking medicare money away from poor people.
First she brings up that Lila is against abortion and then Sally wants to change and get away from the topic of abortion at 6:29
So who's attempting a "filibuster". It's clearly Sally and Lila does a spotless job always bring the subject back on point.
But let's take that walk with Sally. "Julie Couch". The Sally story is that ONLY planned parenthood would help her. So of 800 clinics, only P.P. would help? I don't believe it for a second and Sally provided no credible facts.
@CatholicAmerican 800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indiana a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
@CatholicAmerican The number has not been determined, because this legislation was pushed through with minimal concern for it's effects on providers or clients. Example:
"Rep. Sue Ellspermann, R-Ferdinand, who said she wrote the original draft of the fetal pain warning language, acknowledged to The Star that she consulted no doctors, scientists or studies -- 'not to the extent that I would call them scientific studies"=' -- while preparing the legislation." Indy Star, 6/27/2011
Wait, "Fetal pain". I thought we were talking about the number of hospitals and an adequate coverage of healthcare for women here. Isn't fetal pain, although important, an off topic comment?
Are women covered or not? That is the question and that was the purpose of the Live Action video. Stay on topic.
@CatholicAmerican The point of my original post is that the "800 alternate providers" figure which Lila and others (ahem) keep repeating is bogus. If you do want to have this debate, then it is on YOU to show that it is not.
The quote from Sen. Ellspermann demonstrates this legislation was created without thought of consequences.
You snake. You know that 127 number is a lie. That's the number of clinics that also do abortions as well as accept medicaid. How about he provide a number of ALL that accept medicaid.
"He (Schneider) said he had not heard of any of the service limits that Cockrum said Planned Parenthood's review identified, and his office found 127 health centers in Indiana that would readily accept Medicaid patients and offer reproductive and sexual health services."
Go ahead and keep pushing your 127 number. It cultivates the ground for the Truth to come out and stoke an even greater back lash against Planned Parenthood.
127 is a number that someone got when they queried for clinics that accept medicaid and who also preform abortions. Now you tell me. Does every clinic that accepts medicaid in Indians also provide abortions? That's a simple and direct question. Can you give it a direct answer?
Regardless of weather you approve of the clinic or not, do about 800 facilities accept medicaid? Medicaid period. Not Medicaid + Abortion.
That is dirty. I almost missed that "as well as reproductive services" clause next to the 127 number. How many people have you fooled today.
I'm so glad I'm not a part of the pro-choice movement anymore. And thanks to ultrasound videos of my children I know they will be firmly pro-life as well. You can bet I'll teach them to be careful and fully scrutinize anything that a pro-abort says.
@CatholicAmerican The burden for providing such a list would be on this law's defenders. Although the law's supporters say 800 providers exist, I am yet to find a list which names these providers. A database I located through LiveAction's website listed two providers here in Allen Co., the 2nd largest county in Indiana. TWO providers were listed. One is a mental health facility which provides NONE of the services in question.
Well the Planned Parenthood workers in the Live Action Videos seemed to know that there are actual clinics that women on medicaid can go to. So I'll take their word for it and not someone who is simply here trying to cast doubt and probably design Planned Parenthood talking points.
Am I wrong? Didn't these planned parenthood workers refer women to other local clinics? Am I skewing the facts? Or are you?
It seems to me that the only list that someone needs to provide is one that lists where the Planned Parenthood clinics are and confirms that there are adequate clinics in the proximity of the P.P. clinics.
Like I said, this video has actual Indiana PP workers referring women to other local clinics so I think all you are doing here is trying to look for the most minuscule of holes and then conflate that to a mythical proportion.
What is an adequate health care coverage grid in your opinion? Are women covered or not. Please provide facts instead of just trying to shoot holes in the for the sake of party politics.
Is it only 50 clinics that are being misrepresented by republicans? Is 750 alternatives not enough for Indiana? What is an accurate number because all you are really doing is begging that question.
800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indiana a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
@CatholicAmerican Brevity is the soul of wit. Lila needs to learn to express the facts concisely and quickly and not filibuster over her opponent. Her opponent was a nit wit anyway
She masterfully interrupted as soon as Sally fully constructed the lie. It was a perfect execution of form in my book. But you're right, her opponent was not rising to the occasion but then again her position is indefensible and in a situation like that the bunker is conquered.
@lordtiberius The other side did speak and it was the same old, try to cast doubt narrative that Planned Parenthood always responds with when these kinds of videos are released revealing the facts about healthcare for women and the lies that planned parenthood promulgates in the name of abortion. Did Sally contribute any coherent narrative when she spoke?
I like this host!
Shannon2993 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Love this especially since I live in Indiana!!!
mvan367 1 month ago
don't tell me what to do with my body. fuck you. fuck your religion. get your hands off my uterus.
kaylagayyla 1 month ago
@AmericanPrincess109 yes an adult women & fetus is different BUT the point she is trying to make is that a fetus is a human being what about them?? A fetus is a being and the fetus inside of a human is a human fetus meaning that it IS a human being !!
esaflygiirl123 1 month ago
Pro life !!!!
esaflygiirl123 1 month ago
Haha I love the women in the white lol she makes great points
esaflygiirl123 1 month ago
omg i love this girl <3
JuicyCandy14 2 months ago
located where you can take advantage of the poor. It's easier to kill their children, correct?
MostAmericans 2 months ago
Planned parenthood?; More like planned murder! Give life a chance!
therick3539 5 months ago 8
Wait, that guy's name is Salley? WTH..
SkaRocksYea 6 months ago
@SkaRocksYea I think that's a woman...
CassidySaysSo 6 months ago
Hmm, lets respond to funding to Medicade being cut from ONE area by cutting funding from all areas of Medicade. There, that'll fix the problem of people not being helped by Medicade.
SimplyLaurel 7 months ago
"What about the women who were never born?" um, she does know that an adult woman and a fetus are two completely different things, right?
AmericanPrincess109 7 months ago
@AmericanPrincess109 exactly! they're two different creatures so why do women claim the babies' lives as their own 'choice' to murder or not? Good observation they are completely different
Serouisly 3 months ago
lol Lila Rose always interrupts and talks for a really long time... but she's still awesome!!
SheIsCatholic 7 months ago
why do people even bother arguing about the existance of something they can't even see? you can not prove the existance of something when you yourself don't really even know it is there. people will use anything as evidence for or against the existance of God. no evidence is real evidence, because you don't know WHERE it came from! no one will know if there is a god until they die, and your opinions won't change the beliefs of others. nobody wins the debate. ever. just quit while you're at it.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 you cant see love, but you can feel it
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie maybe so, but its rare to feel love in church...
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 you can if you find the right one, small churches make you feel closer and involved, my church is very informal, we don't even have some big church leader. it's just a bunch of Christians who want to get together to praise God, and pray for each other
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie thats nice, but once again, no matter how many people who are being nice to you, most of it isn't real. or they end up trying to preach to you or tell you you're wrong for not believing what they believe. and if you are unsure about what you believe they go nuts by trying to help you "find" those beliefs but really all they are doing is shoving God down your throat.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
again, not going to believe some book that has yet to be proven over my professor who is both physician and gynecologist.
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
fertilized eggs are not considered a pregnancy. because every month your body flushes out fertilized eggs. so any woman with a menstrual cycle must be a serial killer then? life does not begin at conception.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
If anyone here watches True Blood......Lila Rose = Sarah Newlin from the Fellowship of the Sun. But most people on this video most likely don't watch scary HBO lmao
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
we should keep pp maybe we should lower the funding if it only serves lower than 1% but pp majorly does abortions, just because you dont like free choice doesnt mean you should close them down plus it makes jobs for people
chrlskrkl 7 months ago
@chrlskrkl free choice is made after you can accurately see all the facts. How many abortion risks do you know? It's not a "safe" as they claim it is. Not only that but promoting false knowledge kinda leaves your "choices" based on a agenda. Plus in the video, they blatantly claimed not to service people on Medicaid or do all women's health procedures.
acidsprinkle5950 7 months ago
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fucking hate that bitch
chrlskrkl 7 months ago
damn lilla shut up you are making everything sound like gibberish!
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
I love how pro-aborts always want those opposed to them to shut up and and on the other hand how pro-lifers want pro-aborts to keep talking because it becomes so much easier to demonstrate the grave errors in their logic. Or to shine a big spotlight on the lies that they tell in an attempt to coerce people into thinking abortion is healthy and somehow liberates women.
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican i wasn't attacking what she was saying, i was telling her to shut up because she was talking over everyone and i couldn't hear what anyone was saying. that really has nothing to do with my views on abortion...
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican by the way, "pro-abort?" i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice and yes there is a difference. i don't really like abortions, but making them illegal is irresponsible. because once they are no longer available, girls will find different ways to abort their pregnancy. more risky and dangerous ways. anyway, i wasn't really attacking what Lila was saying, i just couldn't hear anything they were saying because she was talking over everyone.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
No, there is no difference, there is only verbal engineering for the sake of self delusion.
Did Sally contribute any coherent narrative when she spoke?
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This is the age of the internet. You can re-watch things if you missed a point. Lila only speaks at the conclusion of every misrepresentation that Sally makes. Here interruptions were coherent and appropriate.
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican are you on your period or something? There is a medication for that. It's called Midol. Hey, maybe Planned Parenthood can give you some of that! Calm down.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
You do realize that you are dodging salient points in order to make cheap character attacks right?
So you have nothing substantive to contribute? Are you done posturing now?
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican i'm not dodging anything. you are taking this converstation way too seriously! what points are you talking about? i was tired and bored at 1:00 in the morning writing that and you are trying to make something out of a conversation that literally means nothing! you are treating me like i just ran over your cat! am i some terrible person likes to kill babies because i told a pro-lifer to stop talking over someone? like i said, calm down.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
Again, you do realize we are on the internet right? You have no ability to observe my demeanor so there are no real grounds for you to make the suggestion that anyone calm down.
I'm not excited about anything. You typed an off handed remark and I used it as a teaching event. There's nothing excited about it. This is how many people use the internet and there is nothing objectively wrong with that.
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
In fact, the things you are typing are objectively an overreaction to my statements.
The point of your first comment was "shut up". The point of my first comment was that pro "choice" people are always looking for ways to try and silence those who highlight errors and inconsistencies with the actions of the abortion industry.
Am I misrepresenting anything?
Then I called you out on the reality that pro "choice" necessitates being pro abortion or there is no choice involved.
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
You do realize that because I choose to hang out on youtube comment streams instead of playing "angry birds" or sudoku or fantasy football, that doesn't mean I'm being "excited" right?
Shouldn't we all want to have people engaging in open dialogue about such hot topic issues for the sake of stripping away polemics and highlighting biological facts and reality?
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican and do you realize that in the past few minutes you have posted multiple comments about how you are not getting excited? wouldn't you agree that that contradicts what the comments themselves actually say? all i was trying to say was i couldn't hear Sally because Lila kept talking over her and interrputing her.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
It doesn't contradict anything. You still have no ability to see my demeanor and how much of a kick I am getting from watching you posit the same "excited" comment over and over.
Your actions are also highlighting that pro-aborts want to discuss anything but abortion and are always looking for some way to move to other topics.
This satisfies me because it is a real life instance that coincides with this general observation of pro-aborts.
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
I collect youtube comments. I use them to help me inform my world view.
I have found that abortion advocates (in general) are very stunted in their intellectual growth. They are not educated in the trivium (grammar, logic, and rhetoric), it usually stops after grammar. They have very little understanding of epistemology and they usually subscribe to relativism (that there is no such thing as truth, order, and that facts are just opinions that change from person to person.
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican okay cool. i'm really sorry, i'd like to continue this conversation with you but i am too depressed right now, there is a lot going on in my life at the moment, otherwise i'd gladly continue talking. sorry
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1
Why are you depressed?
CatholicAmerican 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican i messaged you the answer.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@CatholicAmerican and by the way, please stop implying that i am pro-abortion. not once have i ever said that i was, nor have i really given you the reason to think i was. i am not arguing with you about morals or logic or whatever. i was sort of amused by the things you said during our discussion earlier, but now on a more serious note, im not pro life, im not pro choice, i am pro-shut-the-fuck-up-i-am-depressed as of now.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 You really can't expect anything out of this type of person but venom, personal attacks, emotionally-charged defensive statements with zero evidence to back up their bullshit, and willful ignorance. It is what their mythological religion teaches them from day one. Believing with no evidence is somehow a virtue to these people.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker no it doesn't, I have plenty of evidence, like the scientific facts that were in the Bible before it was discovered and how archaeology has never contradicted the Bible
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie Oh, you mean like how "God" lists bats among birds in two places in the Bible? Or maybe you mean how there are claims of a big Flood - that there is NO evidence for in the geological records. Or perhaps you are talking about how Adam was created within a week of everything else - yet science has proven that mankind has only existed in the last 100-250k years, while life itself has been around far longer. Please, spare me.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@turtlelackie yea, scientific facts you got from youtube videos apparently pffft
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@anglaisfemme2 it is true, go to thepillkills website for more info. also itr causes heart-attacks and other deadly side effects, the pill companies face thousands of claims
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@Silvertaker religion is such a sensitive subject. i totally agree with you that religion is corrupted, but i am not going to call their beliefs mythological, as you put it, or fake, or a fairy tale, mainly because i haven't found an argument that maks any sense on either side. a thiest can not prove there is a god, just like an athiest can not prove there isn't one. so basically both sides are arguing based off opinion and what they THINK they kknow.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 I cant say whether there is a force in existence, a mover and shaker, so to speak. But the God so many believe in? No. Impossible and illogical. No believer has ever answered this riddle - because they can't:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker i know. organized religion is corrupted.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 many protestant churches where I live aren't, we don't even have a church leader, we wear jeans to church and sing christian rock music along with old hymns, no one would think bad of you for missing a few services either, it's just a bunch of Christians who get together to praise God
turtlelackie 7 months ago 3
@turtlelackie my mother goes to a church like that. its nice to hang out with people there, but once you get to the subject of God, if you don't believe, or if you say you don't agree, they immediately get all defensive. church is full of fake self-righteous people who all pretend to be interested in their religion, and other naive people who buy into it and never question anything.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 then i't not a church like mine, we talk about hard topics all the time
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie what denomination are you? my mom is pentacostal. i have been to a lot of churches...and sadly, they all have that problem i mentioned before, even though 1% of them actually see it.
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@MrsMadison4ever1 Church of Chist
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie is that the same thing as church of god?
MrsMadison4ever1 7 months ago
@Silvertaker he is able and willing but he uses the good and bad to make us who we are, we learn and grow stronger
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie Well, then, blame your God for abortion and the death of "babies" as you call it. More pregnancies are terminated through miscarriage or accident than are ever aborted, making your God the most prolific abortionist of all. Also, he lets us "liberal baby killers" abort the babies - so he is directly responsible through his inaction. You can also lay every other death, torture, sexual abuse, war right at his door - and don't tell me "God works in mysterious ways". There is no excuse.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker everything he does to us makes us stronger and changes us into who we are meant to be, i was assaulted as a kid and it made me more understanding of the pain of others and more aware of the world around me. and miscarriage doesn't outnumber abortions, millions of children are killed every year. And miscarriages are because the was something wrong with the mother or child, not because the mother didn't feel like taking responsibility.
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie Way to ignore my points, and be completely wrong about the statistics. More children have died through miscarriage, accidents, acts of "God", wars, disease, famine, etc than abortion could even begin to touch. Lay those deaths at the door of your bloodthirsty, jealous, childish God. Also go ahead and lay all the abortion deaths at his door too, since if he were both all-powerful and benevolent he would prevent them. But he isn't, because he doesn't. fucking. exist.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker that's your opinion
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie it is an opinion based on a massive amount of evidence, which makes it a lot more viable than your opinion ;)
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker my opinion: God made the world and everything has a purpose, Your opinion: the world created itself. Even the big bang doesn't explain how the matter got there, The chances of world creating itself in the orderly fashion it is in would be like a tornado going through a junkyard and assembling a flyable aircraft with a full tank of gas
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie Ah the good ole "Ultimate 747" chestnut. Here's the problem, genius: Your argument says the world could not have "created itself" (which is not what any intelligent person believes, but I'll go with it). The problem with your argument is that you use God as a solution to that problem, leaving yourself with an even bigger problem: Where did "God" come from? The chances of your God being created from nothing are far more remote than a tornado making a 747 out of a junkpile. Try again
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker God always existed, he exists outside of the law of our universe that says that everything must have a creator and a beginning, he created those laws
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie There is not even a single, microscopic shred of evidence of that, whereas logic alone disproves the existence of your dictator-in-the-sky. I'm done arguing the topic with you. There is no reasoning with the unreasonable, and I cannot make you any less of a credulous fool, no matter how much evidence I provide.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker it's in the bible, the bible is the word of God, the scientific evidence in the bible is amazing. The world is even described as being round
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie Leviticus 11-13: ‘These, moreover, you shall detest among the birds; they are abhorrent, not to be eaten: the eagle and the vulture and the buzzard, 19: and the stork, the heron in its kinds, and the hoopoe, and the BAT. <---- God thinks bats are birds. Don't be ridiculous.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker that still doesn't explain why the bible has scientific facts before they were discovered
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie I'm done. You're the worst kind of absolutely blind, slavishly devoted theist. Ignoring every evidential claim I have put before you and stubbornly pursuing your willful ignorance until the end. I only wish I could be there to laugh at you when oblivion takes you upon death, or that your personality would extend beyond the lights going out for you to know I was right. I'm done. Don't bother responding.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
Lila backs it all up with documents and facts and the other woman uses hearsay, scare tactics, "women's rights", and grossly twisted facts to support her case. Anyone who looks into this from a logical standpoint will find the truth. There's a reason for the many felony cases (over 20 in Kansas City alone) and criminal charges against PP. Live Action didn't make it up, they reported it, as journalists USED to do.
tuber33 8 months ago 7
These planned parenthood people disgust me
DiscipleTube1 8 months ago
"what about the women who weren't born? was it good for them"
gardeninmymind 8 months ago
prince william! i want you!
gardeninmymind 8 months ago
@babbabybwoo
you know that there are women who make to much money for medicaid, but can't afford health insurance or undercovered?
you pro-life schizophrenic fascists live in the bubble.
galerouth 8 months ago
Why does that liberal chick look like a 12 year old boy?
xenex23 8 months ago
Lila is so beautiful.
mdlagreca 8 months ago 5
@mdlagreca Too bad shes a religious maniac who wants to shore up overpopulation and take away peoples; rights.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker She's all about peoples' rights; especially those whose rights are outlawed in this country.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca Doesn't sound like it - sounds like she wants to control peoples' bodies on the basis of her religious mania, and will hurt as many people as she can to do it. Pity, so ugly on the inside, so gorgeous on the outside.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker Abortion hurts women. Lila is working to save these women from a world of heartache later. Not to mention, the life of the unborn babies they are carrying. She doesn't have to base her effort on religion. She can base it on facts. Science is more and more proving that unborn babies are just as much a person as you or I. Lila is just fighting to make sure these helpless people have equal rights.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca Abortion properly applied also keeps women's lives from being ruined. No one likes the idea of abortion, as it is invasive, and carries heavy emotional connotations (though let's be honest here, the emotional heaviness of it mostly comes from the stigmatizing of the medical procedure by either religious loons or people who are overly-emotional about the topic to begin with). But no, science is not "more and more proving" anything like what you assert.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
And the language she uses gives her away. Doctors don't perform abortions, to her, they "commit" them. She sees it as some crime. She talks about pro-choice people as if they just want to see babies destroyed. When a gathering of cells is not a baby. Now, some argument could be made for late-term abortions, on that front. But early? No. And don't bother telling me science says otherwise - because it certainly does not.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker Well even if science cant yet prove to you that a baby is a full human person from the moment of conception it certainly doesnt prove otherwise.
Abortion IS a crime whether our government recognizes it as such or not.
I find it strange that you imply that "pro-choice" people dont want to see babies destroyed. What else is being destroyed if not a baby?! If you support abortion, you support the destruction of human life - whether you call it a baby, embryo or "clump of cells"
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca The language you use her to defend your position has the same stink of unsupported emotionalism that religion does. You assert that abortion is a crime, but you have no proof or evidence or even theories as to why this may be, other than an emotional argument with nothing to back it up. Pro-choice people would probably choose another option, if one existed. Perhaps transplanting a fetus from a donor to someone who actually WANTS to procreate, or something of that nature....(to be cont
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker If you're having trouble with options, I'll give you some hints. There's always adoption if you don't want or can't support your child. There's many good parents out there who would love to raise your child. Oh, here's a good one. If you're not ready to have a child, DON'T HAVE SEX! Ya know, one of the main causes of pregnancy is sexual intercourse. There's a good CHOICE for ya.
Your own argument is more backed on emotions and less backed on science than my argument.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca Here's an idea, let's create a center where we can provide services that will mostly PREVENT pregnancies whoaaaaa. Been going to planned parenthood since i was 17 for my birth control pills (which have been free because i'm poor). I am now 21, about to graduate from college, and have never been pregnant. Huh. Guess planned parenthood did something right with me.
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@anglaisfemme2 the point is that you could have gone somewhere else, and you probably never got pregnant because the pill is an Abortifacient, something they forget to tell millions of women.
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie Why should I have to go somewhere else when Planned Parenthood is 3 miles from where I live, is easily accessible, a name I trust, and is free? I also highly doubt that the pill causes abortions, it actually prevents ovulation. And if you're going to tell me "that's what planned parenthood taught you" no, it's not. That's what my human sexuality university course taught me. You just need a good dick inside you to dislodge whatever stick has embedded itself in your frigid ass.
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@anglaisfemme2 I'm not making it up watch the video titled 'How "The Pill" works as an Abortifacient'
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie I'm not going to believe some random fucking video on youtube over my professor from college who is also a physician and gynecologist and has been one for over 20 years.
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@anglaisfemme2 Well I would have to disagree with that statement too, sorry to say. Among other reasons, I'm against birth control because it is partially an abortifacient. That means that after attempting to artificially prevent a conception from happening, it will then prevent that newly formed embryo from implanting in your uterus. That's an abortion. Of course you don't even know that it's happening, but by taking the Pill, you're agreeing to that as a possible outcome.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca-" Most birth control pills are "combination pills" containing a combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation (the release of an egg during the monthly cycle). A woman cannot get pregnant if she doesn't ovulate because there is no egg to be fertilized. The Pill also works by thickening the mucus around the cervix, which makes it difficult for sperm to enter the uterus and reach any eggs that may have been released." that quote is from kidshealth . org
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@anglaisfemme2 but it also makes it impossible for a fertilized breakthrough ovulation to implant
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie at that point, we will disagree because i do not believe a "fertilized breakthrough ovulation" is a life until it implants
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@anglaisfemme2 Yes, those are the main effects of the pill, but it also works as an abortifacient.
Check out Randy Alcorn's book "Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions?" You can download it free: w ww . epm . org / static / uploads / downloads / bcpill . pdf
He includes compelling evidence that may cause you to rethink your position.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca Why should someone be forced to go through the pain and the discomfort of carrying a child to term if they don't want to? Who are you to force them into that position? No one, is who. As for the no-sex line - just laughing at that one. Not gonna happen. Sex is fun, it's relaxing, it's therapeutic, and people will do it, period. Think on this, genius: more pregnancies end by miscarriage, INCLUDING late term, than are ever aborted. God is the most prolific abortionist of all. ;)
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker if you have sex, the resulting child is your responsibility, and since it is a human being you have no right to kill it
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie The resulting child isnt a child immediately, it is the gathering of cells to begin the formation of a fetus, then a fetus, etc etc so on and so forth. No right to kill a human being, no. Right to deal with a parasite growing inside your body that you may not want? Yes.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker it has it's own DNA, it isn't a part of you, and fetus is just another stage of human life, humans should be protected no matter what stage of life they are in. Mother Teresa once said it is a poverty for a child to die so that you may live as you wish
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@t
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
galerouth 7 months ago
@galerouth the baby isn't doing it on purpose, the mother chose to have sex, you dont have a right to kill it so there is no other option, death is worse than having to give birth. you cant punish a baby for your mistakes, grow up
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@turtlelackie here's the thing. If I actually AM pregnant, meaning I take a pregnancy test and I am positive (not some clump of cells that hasn't even implanted yet) I could not make the choice to abort it. I would not abort it because at that point I wouldn't feel right doing it. (unless I had been raped, then I would). But I will not force my own personal decisions on abortion on other women. Especially when it comes to date rape or rape in general induced abortions.
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
@turtlelackie
it isn't a baby, but an embryo or fetus, and i'm pretty sure a tapeworm isn't harming the human host on purpose either, but that person decided to eat improperly cooked foods....so by your logic, don't kill a tapeworm.
i got it.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
you do KNOW that abortion is a civil and constitutional right? it means i can kill it, if and when i want to, as long as it's legal.
grow up and learn some basic law.
galerouth 7 months ago
@galerouth hahaha i like how you use words like embryo and fetus when those are stages of development in a HUMAN life. Like adolescent, infant, etc, fetus and embryo simply refer to stages of human development. I like how you use scare tactics though although its probably not working out really well
Serouisly 3 months ago
@Serouisly
mr. i like to grasps like straws, when did i say an embryo or fetus wasn't HUMAN in this human abortion debate? never....thanks for playing.
galerouth 3 months ago
@galerouth So you like to murder innocent baby human beings? You deserve to rot your whole life in jail.
Serouisly 3 months ago
@turtlelackie Mother Theresa also said condoms were bad - condoms that could prevent the spread of HIV and AIDS across the African continent. She was no moral compass. She also lied her ass off to a lot of uneducated people - she was an atheist, at the end of her life, and a hypocrite of the highest order. So I wouldn't go around using her as a quotation machine, were I you.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker i'm just saying she had a point
turtlelackie 7 months ago
@Silvertaker that and again you're wrong. it's so bad to go through a pregnancy? Not every pregnancy is risking the mother's life or so painful you just have to have an abortion. High risk pregnancies occur usually when the mother already has an underlying condition. It sucks, sure but you can do it if you're healthy. 10-15% of miscarriages out of all the people being born in the world is not a accurate representation of All pregnancies. make your arguments not about religion but FACTS.
acidsprinkle5950 7 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 And how is it yours, or anyone else's, right to force someone to go through something you yourself admit "sucks" for no benefit to themselves, if they don't want to? Simple answer - it is not. If someone doesn't want to do something - or does want to do something - with their own body it is solely their decision and not yours, nor anyone else's. Trying to enforce your will on someone's person is the worst kind of totalitarianism. Disgusting.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker And who says I''m "forcing" people? You're making extreme assumptions based on my comment. And in such an informed world we live in, with multiple birth control options, people can opt to prevent an unplanned pregnancy. I'm only for abortion in the case of incest, rape or extreme danger to the mother. Lila's stating her opinion, the great thing about opinions is that you can agree or disagree. Plus she got information backing up her claims with her undercover work.
acidsprinkle5950 7 months ago
But as long as abortion is the only option that does not involve a real human being forced into carrying a fetus to full-term and delivering it against their will, it will be used, it will NOT be illegal no matter what religion wants, and that is that. As for what is being destroyed? A collection of cells that has no developed enough to have a mind, or even a central nervous system in most cases to feel pain with. Period. That is a scientific fact, at least for early term termination.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker So of course you have the studies to prove that a human person does not hit the "human" stage until it has a functional brain, a central nervous system, and the ability to feel pain. Science proves that those things are what defines a human being? No. It doesn't.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
@mdlagreca Science can tell us at what stage physical suffering is possible, yes. Religion can tell us when someone is a human being? No. It can tell us nothing whatsoever. Any pushed agenda based on that idea from pro-life advocates is just that. An agenda. With emotional arguments that has no basis in evidence.
Silvertaker 7 months ago
@Silvertaker Ok so apparently repeating your same points over and over again will somehow make your viewpoint true. I'm sorry, but no matter what you want to believe, science will never prove that a fetus, clump of cells, or whatever you want to call it, is NOT a human being. You may rightfully say that science doesn't yet prove that it IS a human being, but that does not, by any means, prove your point.
mdlagreca 7 months ago
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@mdlagreca it doesn't prove your point either.
anglaisfemme2 7 months ago
The ugly man on the right lost the abortion debate when Lila smiled.
TisMyIsland 8 months ago 2
There is a comment that I just read under Lila's Blog that I think frames the abortion mentality against poverty and humanity. Here it is.
"There is nothing more horrible and disgusting than birth of another unwanted welfare baby."
Great job "Darrin T" I'm sure Planned Parenthood is proud to have such a clear thinker as you in their ranks of supporters, you twisted freak. What an absolutely repulsive thing for you to say.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@babbabybwoo
This is why Planned Parenthood gets so angry when the Abortion topic is in the media cycle. They tell lies when they are on camera and now that we are in the age of the internet, people can quickly review and re-review the recorded media and properly scrutinize the content of what is being said. Here on youtube we can even put a time stamp in our comments that fast forwards to the moment in question like what you are saying here 6:33 "Let's tell a different story".
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
this ppl are stupid, there are women who can't go on medicaid because they make too much money, but can't afford health insurance.
THEY WILL SUFFER.
pro-life schizophrenic fascists support reproductive slavery of women and are willing to let poor women/children suffer because these state lost their medicaid funding---just so these states can get rid of planned parenthood are other abortion providers.
galerouth 8 months ago
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ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
galerouth 8 months ago
HUMAN FETUS IS A PARASITE:
It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." answers com/symbiosis: gale
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" thefreedictionary com/parasite
just like a parasitic twin
wiki/Parasitic_twin
thelizlibrary org/liz/004
wiki/Trophoblast
wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy
galerouth 8 months ago
800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indiana a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, May 15, 2011
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indian a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, May 15, 2011
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago 2
Abortion is mean.
InternetDisciple 8 months ago
HUMAN FETUS IS A PARASITE:
It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." answers com/symbiosis: gale
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" thefreedictionary com/parasite
just like a parasitic twin
wiki/Parasitic_twin
thelizlibrary org/liz/004
wiki/Trophoblast
wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy
galerouth 8 months ago
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ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
galerouth 8 months ago
this ppl are stupid, there are women who can't go on medicaid because they make too much money, but can't afford health insurance.
THEY WILL SUFFER.
galerouth 8 months ago
Women don't need Planned Parenthood (PP) for their health care, but PP needs women & tax dollars to continue lining their pockets. PP needs women to come into their doors in order that they may continue to exploit women (through abortion) for their financial profit.
n4kma 8 months ago
wow she is really angry.
I wonder what would she think about abortion if she was raped by someone like Psychopath.
JerezJulio 8 months ago
Typical liberal tactic to start talking about some isolated and exaggerated case when presented with the gruesome facts of abortion. Sort of like when Obama kept bringing up that one lady who couldn't get health care while ignoring the fact that he was SOCIALIZING MEDICINE in AMERICA. Please do not watch this video after two giant cups of coffee because you will pop a blood vessel.
tinarawks 8 months ago
Let her speak. Filibustering
lordtiberius 8 months ago
@lordtiberius
You see clearly that Sally doesn't bring any coherent points to the table at 3:38
Secularists need to be interrupted if they are just stalling and trying to disrupt dialogue that puts the spotlight on the gravely disordered actions of secularist ideology. 800 clinics! And somehow, because 2 out of 800 are in prisons, that does not justify what Sally is pushing. It's an intellectually offensive talking point that should be cut off. Lila was on point, Sally wasn't.
800 clinics!
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@lordtiberius
And again you see Sally pushing a debunked talking point at 5:00
She even turns tail and runs from it after Lila responds with Facts and at 5:26 Sally sees the need to run from these facts and try and change the subject to what she calls the "larger issue" which I think was meant to insinuate that because Lila is against abortion, people shouldn't listen to her on the issue of Planned Parenthood bullies taking medicare money away from poor people.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@lordtiberius
First she brings up that Lila is against abortion and then Sally wants to change and get away from the topic of abortion at 6:29
So who's attempting a "filibuster". It's clearly Sally and Lila does a spotless job always bring the subject back on point.
But let's take that walk with Sally. "Julie Couch". The Sally story is that ONLY planned parenthood would help her. So of 800 clinics, only P.P. would help? I don't believe it for a second and Sally provided no credible facts.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican 800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indiana a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, May 15, 2011
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
So what is the actual number please.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican The number has not been determined, because this legislation was pushed through with minimal concern for it's effects on providers or clients. Example:
"Rep. Sue Ellspermann, R-Ferdinand, who said she wrote the original draft of the fetal pain warning language, acknowledged to The Star that she consulted no doctors, scientists or studies -- 'not to the extent that I would call them scientific studies"=' -- while preparing the legislation." Indy Star, 6/27/2011
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
Wait, "Fetal pain". I thought we were talking about the number of hospitals and an adequate coverage of healthcare for women here. Isn't fetal pain, although important, an off topic comment?
Are women covered or not? That is the question and that was the purpose of the Live Action video. Stay on topic.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican The point of my original post is that the "800 alternate providers" figure which Lila and others (ahem) keep repeating is bogus. If you do want to have this debate, then it is on YOU to show that it is not.
The quote from Sen. Ellspermann demonstrates this legislation was created without thought of consequences.
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
"State abortion law stirs debate on health care" AP June 23, 2011
Here, the bill's sponsor, State Sen. Scott Schneider, says the number is 127.
So, if the bill's sponsor claims only 127, where does 800 come from?
Where is the integrity in this so-called debate?
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
You snake. You know that 127 number is a lie. That's the number of clinics that also do abortions as well as accept medicaid. How about he provide a number of ALL that accept medicaid.
That's a dirty word game you are playing.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican You didn't even look at the article, did you?
"He (Schneider) said he had not heard of any of the service limits that Cockrum said Planned Parenthood's review identified, and his office found 127 health centers in Indiana that would readily accept Medicaid patients and offer reproductive and sexual health services."
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
Go ahead and keep pushing your 127 number. It cultivates the ground for the Truth to come out and stoke an even greater back lash against Planned Parenthood.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican By now, I hope you've read the article.
So, with the bill's author using the figure of 127 providers, a person like Lila who keeps using the 800 figure is lying.
"I don't think anyone has the right to tell a lie. They have the ability to do so but that doesn't make it a real right. "
You said that.
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
127 is a number that someone got when they queried for clinics that accept medicaid and who also preform abortions. Now you tell me. Does every clinic that accepts medicaid in Indians also provide abortions? That's a simple and direct question. Can you give it a direct answer?
Regardless of weather you approve of the clinic or not, do about 800 facilities accept medicaid? Medicaid period. Not Medicaid + Abortion.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
News flash, not all clinics who accept medicaid provide abortions. I know that's hard to believe for supporters of planned parenthood.
Stop playing dirty tricks. I have been completely honest here, you are not being honest.
The 127 number has an added parameter of also offering abortion services.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
That is dirty. I almost missed that "as well as reproductive services" clause next to the 127 number. How many people have you fooled today.
I'm so glad I'm not a part of the pro-choice movement anymore. And thanks to ultrasound videos of my children I know they will be firmly pro-life as well. You can bet I'll teach them to be careful and fully scrutinize anything that a pro-abort says.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican The burden for providing such a list would be on this law's defenders. Although the law's supporters say 800 providers exist, I am yet to find a list which names these providers. A database I located through LiveAction's website listed two providers here in Allen Co., the 2nd largest county in Indiana. TWO providers were listed. One is a mental health facility which provides NONE of the services in question.
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
Well the Planned Parenthood workers in the Live Action Videos seemed to know that there are actual clinics that women on medicaid can go to. So I'll take their word for it and not someone who is simply here trying to cast doubt and probably design Planned Parenthood talking points.
Am I wrong? Didn't these planned parenthood workers refer women to other local clinics? Am I skewing the facts? Or are you?
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
It seems to me that the only list that someone needs to provide is one that lists where the Planned Parenthood clinics are and confirms that there are adequate clinics in the proximity of the P.P. clinics.
Like I said, this video has actual Indiana PP workers referring women to other local clinics so I think all you are doing here is trying to look for the most minuscule of holes and then conflate that to a mythical proportion.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
Is it 500?
400?
300?
What is an adequate health care coverage grid in your opinion? Are women covered or not. Please provide facts instead of just trying to shoot holes in the for the sake of party politics.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@TimNFtWayne
So what's the number?
Is it only 50 clinics that are being misrepresented by republicans? Is 750 alternatives not enough for Indiana? What is an accurate number because all you are really doing is begging that question.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
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800 alternate providers? Those of us who LIVE in Indiana a know this list is bogus:
"The list provided by House Republicans ...includes health service providers that have nothing to do with women’s reproductive health, sexual health or family planning.
They include: a Salvation Army addiction center, a homeless shelter, several mental health centers, a juvenile detention center and the Indiana Women’s Prison."
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, May 15, 2011
TimNFtWayne 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Brevity is the soul of wit. Lila needs to learn to express the facts concisely and quickly and not filibuster over her opponent. Her opponent was a nit wit anyway
lordtiberius 8 months ago
@lordtiberius
When wasn't she concise?
She masterfully interrupted as soon as Sally fully constructed the lie. It was a perfect execution of form in my book. But you're right, her opponent was not rising to the occasion but then again her position is indefensible and in a situation like that the bunker is conquered.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Her opponent was terrible. Their position is indefensible. Let the other side speak
lordtiberius 8 months ago
@lordtiberius The other side did speak and it was the same old, try to cast doubt narrative that Planned Parenthood always responds with when these kinds of videos are released revealing the facts about healthcare for women and the lies that planned parenthood promulgates in the name of abortion. Did Sally contribute any coherent narrative when she spoke?
3:17
4:59
5:33
6:23
6:31
Sally's objective was clearly "Let me tell a different story", one where P.P. doesn't look like the liars they are.
CatholicAmerican 8 months ago