@ralax3 Meaning by my parents or myself? It was a three year process with me with my faith (thankfully) dying before I decided I was atheist, though only about a year and a half to renounce Christianity for a form of deism.
My parents had us go through 8 years of Sunday school, church every week or more, religious talks often and...actually thankfully, a shit youth group that opened my eyes...to how bad the religion actually was. That youth group is what started it.
@nocliper101 What kid of group ? Well, I always thought that children that are raised in catholic families have less chances to renounce their faith. What group ? How did your catholic parents reacted to your atheistm ?
@ralax3 It was a youth group called "Together in Christ." And you are right, a lot don't, fortunately I'm not the only "rebel" in my house, my sister being bisexual. At any rate, my dad never talked to me on it, never treated me different and when I finally talked to him on it...he was fairly cool about it, though did a little bit of a guilt trip on me, though I think unintended. My mother was a whole other fiasco, it was a fight with her to stop forcing me to church with them.
The major problem with teaching religion to kids is that they instill fear of an imaginary boogeyman and a place of eternal torture... Such nonsense should NEVER be thought to a child, this is psychological trauma material!
Oh, and let's not forget the parents that ground their kids for becoming atheists or better yet, who beat the piss out of their kids to "save" them...
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
If words have any meaning, and we label religious education as child abuse, is there any reason to think Dawkins believes it should be treated any differently from other forms of abuse?
He didn't say he though religious education was child abuse. He said, specifically, that he thought describing a child as a Christian child (or Muslim child etc) just because it's their parent's religion, is child abuse (in his opinion).
He didn't say he though religious education was child abuse. He said, specifically, that he thought describing a child as a Christian child (or Muslim child etc) just because it's their parent's religion, is child abuse (in his opinion).
Dawkins says he "never said that parents who bring up their children religious should be prosecuted". But he does say that bringing up children religious is child abuse. Hence he doesn't believe child abusers should be prosecuted!. How odd.
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Why should a child be Christan og Catholich? Just because its parents are? Everyone who have watched this video will agree with me when I say that if a child can´t decide which political party to vote for, how can it know which religion suits it best?
I think his definition of child abuse is a little loose. I think beating a kid is much worse than teaching it that there is a sky fairy watching and commanding us all.
Religion is "child abuse"!?? Dawkins is taking his militant atheism too far.
People who commit child abuse should be prosecuted. If Dawkins says he doesn't think religious parents should be prosecuted; then its not "child abuse"
showing a 6 year old a man nailed to a cross then telling them that he died for them and if you dont believe it you will burn for eternity in hell IS child abuse
@TheBlitz1 that's an absurd argument. If i tell you that "all right handed people are potential criminals because there are more right handed people in prison than left handed". that's an stupid statement. but it's truth, there are more right handed people in prison.
evil people are not evil because they are religious or atheist, nor because they are blonde or bald, tall or short.
they are evil, simply because they are evil. and you will find them among every social group out there
About 10% of americans are atheists, but only about 0.3% of american prisoners are atheists.
About 70% of americans are christians, and about 85% of american prisoners are christians of some denomination.
Child abuse and spousal abuse are higher in christian households than in atheist ones. Look it up, bra. But of course, you won't respond to this because you are either afraid of the truth or just a troll.
I'm bringing up my children based on 40 years experience. I came a christian when I was 18 with a fairly strong atheist / not bothered background. I came a christian by seeing the difference in peoples lives and it was almost as if a blind-fold was taken off. Since then I've done an engineering degree (first class hons) and a masters (in IT) - - but ultimately comes down to truth. I've read Rich D's book and he had a similar background but in reverse.
Jesus is real and so is the Tooth Fairy, I saw him in a movie, but my favourite over the top and imposible to be real bible story is when Jesus killed the Hamburgular and everyone got laid.
If you can't tell that I'm being sarcasting then U IZ SILLY
I disagree with Dawkins, parents should be prosocuted for teaching children religion and in some cases have them removed from their parents. Teaching a child religion is child abuse and it is totally unacceptable
@aratidwell in America is it acceptable in society to raise your child in a religion.Thats why we have freedom of religion. I dont quite get the arguement that religion is child abuse or labeling children is child abuse. these men are silly. What the hell constitutes as child abuse to these people? I would love to hear thier definition. Religion is child abuse? but exposing a child to second hand smoke isn't? What causes more harm in the end?
@ikcjjtt Religion. They are forcing a child to believe what they believe, they indoctrinate him with THEIR ideas and view on the world, children growing up in religious families are indoctrinated with the religion of the parents and take the away the ability of the child to think for himself, for what he believes, and what his opinion of things is. Not that they not live him/her, certainly not. But because of what they think is right, they also force the child to believe that as the only truth.
@magictouch115 Exactly, but religion doesn't take away the ability to think for yourself, thats a conscience desicision. Even Dawkins himself grew up in a christian home, but he turned away from religion and turned out fine. I dont see the harm done. And i dont see the problem with socialization, brainwashing, indoctrination, or whatever. Its all the same to me. That doesnt consitute as abuse. To abuse someone you must have intent to seriously harm. like physical and mental to the point of-
@magictouch115 being unable to function in society. And contrary to popular athiest beleif, religion does not affect one's ability to thrive in American society.No harm no foul. Besides without indoctrination, you wouldnt be able to speak the language you are now or function in society.
@ikcjjtt So you're saying that indoctrinating children with religion is a good thing? Then you agree with the fact that children growing up in a religious family do not have -or very little- the ability to think for themselves. Because god created all in 6 days and on the 7th day he sat down to relax. So evolution does not exist, other gods etc. etc. As long as this mindset continues, it could really affect progression of the human race, because a view groups of people are stuck 2000+ yrs ago.
@magictouch115 im not argueing good and evil here. Im just sticking with objective facts. Religious upbringing ALONE does not significally affect one's ability to think for themselves. Sociological,biological, physiological, envioronmental, genetic, nuerological factors do come into play. Just because some guy in a suit with degrees in none of these says so, doesnt make it true. And based on my defintion of child abuse, religion is not child abuse.i dont care about that other crap you are saying
@magictouch115 it has nothing to do with the defintion i set out or functioning in society. I don't mind having a philosophical debate about that shit, but right now im talking about legally defined child abuse.
@ikcjjtt Do you know what religion has destroyed? More then what it has built. Like 1530 when the first spanjards came to south america. They thought that those natives were demons, so they killed them all, destroyed their villages and burned all their books and documents. Now, those people understood the universe very good, and now nothing is left of those people but for a view temples and fundaments of houses. Thats only one thing of many....
@magictouch115 i dont care if religion destroyed all alien life, half of the human population, most of the universe and is the sole cause of sin, the devil, nuclear war heads, drugs, death,destruction, gangs, war,and 100% PURE evil. My arguement is simply religion is not child abuse. I can teach my child to become worse than Hitler and Stalin combined, but that alone does not contitute as child abuse. And no, im not going to bother refuting religion is any of that because its rediculas.
@ikcjjtt No. No no no. If you indoctrinate your kid to hate a certain group of people (Jews, non-communists) that would be child abuse. Because you bend and twist a childs innocent mindset and spirit, into a dark, hating phantom. It might not be judgable by law, but by morals it certainly is. So you dont care that religion destroyed half of the world? Ok I'm done here I think. You've proven that with what you said, Atheists and non-religious people are needed, all around the world.
@magictouch115 child abuse has nothing to do with how you beleive a child should be raised. It deals with intent to physicaly, sexually, or emotionaly harm the child beyond what is considered functional in society. saying. " It might not be judgable by law, but by morals it certainly is." Is no different than saying "It might not be judgable by law, but by the bible it certainly is." Morals and the bible are subjective, not objective standards in which we all go by.
There is some truth to what you're saying. However, you gotta take into account how influence-able children are at that stage of development. Imposing religion on them at such an age is... well, I want to say brain washing, but I think it may be too strong a term, but, somewhere near what that would imply. I think that'd be a form of psychological or mental abuse. Or, it would be to child abuse what manslaughter is to murder. The same act, but of a lower degree, if that makes sense...
@Scarecrow545 it makes sense, but its all subjective. Imposing religion is no different than imposing culture, language, political beleifs, and what ever the parents choose. You can sit here and nit pick which culture, language, belief is harmful or actually helpful, but in the end it becomes a moot point. Because real child abuse is not limited to a religion or certain belief in which a minority of you beleive is harmful. child abuse destroys a child's ability to function in a society period.
@aratidwell I hope you never have children, you are likely to abuse them if they didn't think your way. See how mindless generalizations sound stupid?
@yeaimthatdude1 At least I wont tell my children blatant fictional lies about reality history and existance that will forever currupt their ability to logic and reason rationally. People who teach their children religion, god and the afterlife as a "fact" should be criminally charged with child abuse
@aratidwell would you also agree that anyone who tells their children that there is absolutely 0% chance no way god could exist as a "fact" should suffer the same charges of child abuse? And to comment on the first part of your response would you abuse your children if they didn't think your way? Since the words "at least I won't etc. "indicate that you are implying that you would, but is not as bad as etc. Please respond to BOTH parts of my comments (if u want to reply). Thank you!
@yeaimthatdude1 Look dude, evidence presented any resonable person would agree that beyond a resonable doubt there is a 100% certianty that no god, at least as per definition of any commonly known religion on earth, exists. Unfourtantly through a psychological "virus" of religion taught to the majority of people as minors permantly learning language ideas and thought processes of logic have esentially been currupted.
@aratidwell See the youtube video for Toyota 911 fatal lexus crash. If driver had lived he should had immediatly been arrested for reckless endangerment. Instead of thinking to turn the car off or put it in nuetral, he PRAYED TO A NON EXISTANT GOD to save him! Religion currupts logical human thought. Teaching religion (as a truth) to minors should be a FELONY OFFENSE OF SEVERE CHILD ABUSE
@aratidwell so where's your proof god doesn't exist. And you haven't answered my questions, go back to the previous comments to see what those questions were. If you can prove God doesn't exist then I will admit I'm wrong. And please don't rebound my statement to say "well you can't prove he exists" and your right I can't. But you are making the claim there is a 100% chance that God does not exist" and you do realize you are being very bigoted in your comments don't you?
@yeaimthatdude1 In the last 100 years of modern science, THERE IS NOT ONE SCIENTIFIC LAW THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE EXISTANCE OF GOD, PRAYER OR AFTERLIFE!!!! Infact, most science 100% contradicts such. The only exception that "god cannot be disproven" is what I call lenguistic trickery by creating the "god exception" which excludes "GOD" from having to obide any physical law or rule! You people are mad insane DANGEROUS delusioned mentally ill people!
@aratidwell you do realize that the definition of insanity means a deviation from the cultural norms of society. Since atheists only make up about 10% of the population at the very most, the accepted scientific definition of insanity supports that atheism is in fact, a mental illness. Before you start yelling at me again please read the definition of insanity and mental illness and you'll find that I'm correct
@yeaimthatdude1 you should read up on Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). The belief in god/afterlife can 100% meet the criteria for a delusional disorder and meets many of, for some people, all of, the criteria for schizophrenia
@aratidwell it does not matter since the DEFINITION of mental illness is a violation of societal norms. And besides any belief held to such an extreme can be mental illness. Weather it is murdering people because they are a different religion or murdering religious people because that person thinks it will cleanse the world. Any belief can fill that requirement of mental disorders. Again a mental disorder is a violation of societal norms and that defines atheism since it is a small # of ppl
@yeaimthatdude1 according to the american heritage dictionary "n. Any of various conditions characterized by impairment of an individual's normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning, and caused by social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors, such as infection or head trauma. Also called emotional illness, mental disease, Also called mental disorder.
@yeaimthatdude1 You irrational delusioned logic-less god believing people seem to not have a problem twisting their perception of reality into things that do not exist = INSANITY no definition needed bozo
@yeaimthatdude1 hopefully someday you will find reality, before you die in a car crash interrupting the 911 operator instructing you to turn off the car (or put it in nuetral) to ask the operator to "pray for you" because you are approaching a dead-end intersection. People who learn religion and the god-lie at an early age a permantly (some more than others) disabled/corrupted from thinking logically, since with god REALITY does not require LOGIC or REASON
@aratidwell Not exactly... they teach them about Santa... what's the difference? The real issue here is whether it is right to tell your kids white lies to protect them about how shit the world really is.
@dubofkush why lol? allah is just the arabic word for "god". if i say "allah akbar" im only saying "god is great" in arabic. it doesnt mean im a muslim it just means im simply speaking in the arabic language. allah isnt a proper name. its no different than calling jesus by the muslim name for him, isa. christians and muslims are speaking of the same person.
People say religion teaches people morals and atheism is immoral. I say atheists get morals from common sense and basic decency. Is it really a moral thing to scare children into doing what you tell them to by threatening them with eternal suffering, or by bribing them with eternal happiness? Anyone who looks deeper will realize these are shallow lies just used to control people's minds.
those of you who profess to be atheists are simply miserable people who have chosen to turn your back and harden your heart against the God who created you and loved you.
@warriorspikes51 Are you a Christian? If so, you have turned your back and hardened your heart against Allah. If so, you have turned your back and hardened your heart against Zeus. You've turned your back and hardened your heart against Thor, Venus, Jupiter, Apollo, Ra, Isis, Osiris.
Although, whilst I agree with this form of debate, I do feel it does not gather the underlying point - it's not a 50:50 stretch between creationism and evolutionism. Evolutionism should be the main focus because it has the idea of logic behind it, and thus is more reasonable to follow a falsifiable belief that can further progress than one that prevents open-minds.
@Thecrazyhide That is exactly why the "both sides" people are wrong. Evolution and Creationism are not both equally valid sides of an issue. Those who believe in Creationism are almost the ones who don't even properly know what evolution teaches, they don't know what the laws of thermodynamic *actually* say and they don't know how to work scientifically.
@lagerbaer Working scientifically requires a rational, questioning mindset. It's the exact opposite of what religion teaches, to believe in your God and to follow his rule.
Also yeah, isn't the second law of thermodynamics that you cannot convert energy into another form with 100% the same quality?
That doesn't necessarily account for the generation of new energy in the Big Bang.
The 2nd law states that you cannot convert heat ("random" energy) to work ("directed energy") with 100% efficiency. Energy itself is always conserved, but even that does not rule out the big bang.
When people talk about the 2nd law they usually say something like "entropy = disorder must always increase". That is wrong. Only in a closed system is this true. The earth isn't a closed system (lots of energy coming from the sun), so there it goes
@1971SuperLead when he stands before the God who created him and gave him free will, he will appear as filthy rags. That's because Dawkins has chosen to waste his life teaching a fairy tale for grown ups.
@warriorspikes51, My my, aren't we being just a little judgmental? I find it rather arrogant to think someone can change the way God sees him. I'm sure God sees me as His creation. I have no doubt we cannot change His mind about us. To think you can change God's Mind....that takes some serious imagination. I'm sure God will be able to understand why the atheist was clueless, and not be offended. Really, don't you think God might be a little stronger than that?
@warriorspikes51 OR, he might say: "I gave you a brain and the ability to reason, and then I took great pains in hiding myself from you. With the information you were given, you were absolutely justified to reject belief in me. I don't want brainless followers, I want people who think for themselves. It doesn't matter that you were wrong in the end. Your disbelief was justified and as a reward you get eternal paradise". Just sayin', maybe god really wants to test something. But brains, not faith
@MovieFinatic456 He does have a website. But I doubt he feels very safe in the US. Plus, he can't be everywhere. Maybe a better idea would be to find (or become) a kind of 'local Richard Dawkins' and organize events (MemphisAtheistsdotcom) yourself.
@hagenar That's very tempting. But #1: I'm only 19 and I don't think people would really take me seriously. #2: I'm currently in college so I have enough on my plate already. #3 I still haven't told my extended family that I'm atheist and I think it'll be too much for them to handle that I'm not only a non-believer but I'm rallying others to be like me. I think I should first get the courage to tell them my views before I go full-out on this. But thank you so much for the info! :)
this remainds me of a funny test i heard the other day. lets pretend that religion doesnt eixct. and then wait for 200 years (playing the "religion does not exict game), and then lets see how many people that believe XD
@jsellers2000 Oh man, I'm glad I ran into you! I'm actually on my way to hell right now, but some jerk told me to take a left a mile back and now I'm lost.
Could you give me some directions? I'd really appreciate it. If I'm late my wife is going to kill me.
Yes, because leaving a child in a home with its abusive parents is a smart idea. If teaching your children your own philosophical views constitutes as child abuse, then it seems evident that the government has the right to interfere with your children. If the government should, Dawkins is some kind of megalomaniac. If the government shouldn't, we should leave kids with abusive parents. Dawkins finds himself between a rock and a hard place.
Why should we teach children anything? I think if we follow Dawkins' line of reasoning, kids would not be taught anything of what is moral. If that happens, having improper moral formation creates a vacuum which is easily filled by a skewed view of what is right. It is the parents' obligation to raise their children in their religion. Religion is their moral compass; atheism is Dawkins'.
Dawkins is not concerned with religious indoctrination, he thinks his form of indoctrination is more moral.
Your view of religion is utterly skewed. But I should think that is a different discussion. My only point was that to say that religion is child abuse because it involves indoctrination during a state of naiveté, is a false idea. If you teach children morals, it is based on a moral viewpoint, either based on secular or religious reasons. It is the obligation of the parents to the children to teach them what is moral; without a moral foundation, there is no telling up from down.
If Dawkins followed his own line of reasoning, both religious and secular indoctrination is child abuse -- and of course, neither is. If you want to argue that religion is evil and is instilling hatred in children, then you are arguing a completely different argument.
@APrognosticator children LIED TO re being told there is an allah who will punsh them, being taught to HATE, being beaten for not praying propertly, being mutilated because of parents beliefs/fears IS child abuse
there is nothing moral about religion...and parents dont need to be religious to teach children morals and right from wrong
to claim religion is a moral ';foundation'; is LAUGHABLE when its immoralities are sickening
Again, you are arguing a totally different argument. Dawkins' only expressed his contention with the fact that children are incapable of escaping the dogma of religion; the only abuse Dawkins' is referencing is the indoctrination. He says nothing of religion being false; nor of religion being physically and mentally abusive. So in response, I was merely arguing that every child is indoctrinated -- for both secular and religious reasons. Indoctrination is naturally inescapable.
Dawkins is making the statement that children should not be taught religous ideals becuase they are unable to decide for themselves. The content of what is being taught is unadressed by Dawkins. Securalists and the religious have morals that they follow. Both types of people teach morals to their children; and in both cases, the children are naturally too young to "decide" if they want to adhere to the set of morals their parents teach them.
I would actually argue that the religious moral foundation is far more solid than the secular moral foundation: religion is at least based on something. Now, I cannot speak for all religion, and some religions I do detest; but speaking for the Catholicism, I must say that there is a strong moral set of principles. These religious principles are much more reasonable than any atheistic moral understanding as atheism has no reason for morals. Anyway, this whole point is irrelevant.
This would be taking the argument in an entirely different direction. Though I admit that my last point was a irrelevant point, I suggest that we remain on the main topic of child abuse and religion. But in response, I would say that the questionable statistic regarding the religious being in higher concentration in prison than the non-religious is, in short, that it is the difference between the principles of the religion and the people who follow. Do not judge by the followers.
Ignorant consent is not consent at all, if I let my kid (imaginary) to eat whatever he wants he will only eat candy, while he is on my house, he obey my rules
@bamalouisiana322 He means let them choose when they're old enough to have their own opinions, not when they're 6 and they are still watching sesame street. Children almost universally believe everything they are told, which is why it's risky business bringing a child up with religion.
What he is saying is that we should brainwash our children with the evolution myth . He is saying dont teach them religion let them choose , what are they gonna choose when in schools they are brainwashed witch secular nonsense, and evolutionary myths .DESIGN PROOVS DESIGNER you dont get a bmw by chance, if you say that to someone they will call you crazy ,yet there are people who believe in such nonsense.GOD IS GREAT
@KazuoACT first Its something common for a athiest to be moralless and rude .
As for the coccyx it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments ,it is also part of the weight-bearing tripod structure which act as a support for a sitting person .Like anything else in the human bady the coccyx proovs the creator who created the coccyx for a purpose .Design proovs designer .
@sadi606 A coccyx is essentially a human tailbone. Yes lets share parts that other monkeys already have and build a human being with them, because god is so resourceful. I'm sure him giving us passed down monkey chromosomes isn't suspicious either. You seriously believe in a god that would purposefully create everything and then trick us into believing we evolved? Your god is a douchebag.
@sadi606 What about the appendix? We certainly did need it when we were a less evolved primate form living largely on leaves and vegetation, but, now, it is utterly useless.
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@sadi606 how amusing that one who is religious and supports the human misery religions inflict, the immoralities, the filth, would call one who doesnt believe in taught stories re gods to be 'moralless' LOL
I challenge you to have the guts to answer kazuo's questions re coccyx
@proudfemale Yes a believer in the theorie of evolution dosnt believe in morals like giving charity or helping the poor ,or not killing other human beings .Because the moto of the theorie of evolution is suvivle of the fittest .Its the theorie of evolution that hase a theorie of violence ,big fish eating small fish .A believer would not kill a innocent human being because he fears god. what about the atheist nothing can stop him from killing .
@sadi606 UTTER NONSENSE...what makes you so deluded, so DISHONEST with such a childish claim
the VAST MAJORITY of worlds brightest intellects, i.e. scientists, dont believe in morals or helping people and the poor...many GIVE THEIR LIVES to help people
its amusing that you think they KILL
your own dirty prick mohammed MURDERED innocents just because they didnt accept what he went to offer them, he had hundreds of boys from age 12 SLAUGHTERED
@sadi606 given your nonsense claim re morals, explain why those who dont believe in any allah KNOW ISLAM AS UTTERLY REPULSIVE and are constantly sickened/chilled by muslim teachings/behaviours to islams innocent victims
your dirty prick mohammed was a pedo/rapist/liar/thief/sicko deviant/necrophile/MURDERER of innocents and he took, kept and RAPED slaves
and youre dribbling on about morals of people who live good responsible lives
@sadi606 the religious with intellect acknowledge the IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCES of evolution...but youre saying you would prefer your child be taught/controlled by myths/deceit
@proudfemale Irrefutable evidence of evolution ??? where is it ?? is it in the fossils that we find everyday under the earth with half man half ape bone structures ??Or does the human bady support the evolution myth of creation by chance ,while the human bady is so complex designed. Or is it the countless planets in the universe orbiting in there order is that prooving the theorie of evolution creation by chance ??
@sadi606 how amusing, a muslim who SUPPORTS the filth/misery/immoralities islam inflicts on innocent victims, who SITS IN SILENCE when muslims KILL MUSLIMS on a daily basis, who then talks about morals...given the HIUDEOUS history of islam
yep, evolution is a FACT BEYOND DISPUTE...and muslims with intellect acknowledge the massive evidences
conversely, theres NOT A SHRED of anything to support theory of any allah
AND koran has errors in it which proves muslims are lied to
Its funny how people will believe this man and take everything he says as truth. Why does every person on the face of the earth quiestion at one point whether God exists? I spent a quarter fo my life denying God and the bible until Jesus revealed himself to me. Even if I say every miracle He's done n my life since....You still won't believe but rather Ruchard Dawkins....I am 100% sure where I'm going after this short life, I hope you are too. God desires that NONE should perish.
I am a retired counsellor, specializing in Substance Abuse and Family Violence. If you will examine the statistics you will see that christian kids have a higher suicide rate than nonchristian kids. And I think it's very easy to see why; the perpetual instilling of fear and shame and guilt and threats. Plus, of course, the forfeiture of integrity necessary for the required social posturing. Very toxic stuff. Which is why I'm here.
@Imaginefree69 You are wrong about that mate, so re you saying Christian parents tend to be more violent than unchristian parents? really? is that bcos the bible says that we should be violent towards children? cos we christians tend to carry out the teachings of God from the bible. I think you are quite ignorant and deluded not to notice christianity for its harmony, peace, love and life of holiness.
@theaccousticaddict "it was the devil who transformed himself to a snake" Wrong (mate). According to the Bible, which is the only source of information for the myth, the snake was a "beast of the field", not some demon in drag. Why do so many Xians think they know everything about the Bible without taking the trouble to read it? That's not rational at all. Reciting the magical Sinner's Prayer does not impart Biblical expertise.
@Imaginefree69, Talking beasts? what the hell are you talking about? I just told you that it was Balaam's donkey that spoke and you are talking about beasts? Balaam's donkey was just one.
There's no place in the bible that says that the earth is flat, prove me wrong and show me where it says so, then i,ll show you where the bible says that the earth is circular in shape. Talking beasts dont exist, but God made ONLY balaam's donkey speak, not ALL donkeys, wake up mate.
@theaccousticaddict "I think you are quite ignorant and deluded not to notice christianity for its harmony, peace, love and life of holiness."
Shall we discuss "deluded"?
I was a pastor for over 40 years.
One of the greatest arguments against the existence of your god and the validity of your religion is that Xians do NOT manifest love or victory or unity or ANY of the "gifts of the Spirit" that the Bible promises.
@Imaginefree69 "I was a pastor for over 40 years.." so?? what is that supposed to prove? That you actually know God? or that you know wether he truely exist or not? I think not. Being a pastor for 40 years is not a garauntee to knowing God, what matters is our personal relationship with him.You can be a pastor for 40 years and still go to hell, i can have a relationship with God for a day and make heaven.
@Imaginefree69 Just for the record, we are call CHRISTians, mot xtians, xtians is purposely marking the founder of christianity away and that is pure satanic manipulation. Just as in christmas which some rather use xmas, all to get rid of "Christ". I wonder why people put so much effort in refuting christianity and christ if christianity is really fake as they claim?
@theaccousticaddict "CHRISTians" Are you never embarrassed at parading your ignorance in public? Xian is an old way to write Christian, used BY Christians for many years. X is the Greek symbol for Christ. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the use of the abbreviation "xian" or "xtian" for "Christian" dates back at least as far as 1634. Priests would record Christenings using the shorthand "xian" or "xtian." And it saves lots of typing and "comment" characters.
@Imaginefree69,LOL, dont be deceived mate, x does not mean Christ, not in Greek symbols, not in Egyptian hieroglyphs, not in any ancient writings. The main truth is that "x" was rather formulated by evil men, servants of satan who never wanted the name of Christ mentioned in anything. So therefore, anything that had to do with Christ was replaced with x. I know this is too intense for your small mind to grasp, that's because u re limited to physicality and have no idea of the spiritual.
@Imaginefree69 Yeah whatever you say, X in a million years will never mean Christ, you,ve been misinformed, the letter x is used as a cancellation letter or something former, as in ex husband, ex wife, never in a million years does X stand for Christ, ive been a Christian all my life, and never have i come across such thing. You,ve clearly been misinformed of why the word x is used to replace Christ, it doesn't, it stands for something else.
Isnt that interesting, my comments are marked as spam. Intelligent conversation and answering others posts are not spam. And you call yourself a free thinker. You all will stand before God without excuse, because you ALL have been warned.
@Rumor100 What else do you expect from those who are of the world and have not the holy spirit in them? they are like empty vessels, they make the loudest noise, and like houses built on a weak foundation they shall crumble, Christ is the only firm foundation, its so unlucky that many are lost in darkness and yet tend to think they are in light, but may God help for he alone can save.
@Imaginefree69, You are wrong, Christians do not have the highest rate of divorce, suicide, addictions, mental illness and fear, where do you get this crap from anyway? How can living a life of peace, love and harmony according to the bible bring about all this things? Christianity is all about trying to be christ like, living a holy life, so you are so wrong mate.
@Imaginefree69 Oh, so just bcos Google said so, then its 100% right? And what is Google anyway ? What makes you think that everything that comes up from Google is right? All information on there is put by men like you and me and not from God or a higher spirit who never lies, the web is full of lies just so you know, and not all that glitters is God, dont make decisions in life based on what you,ve heard or read from someone else, but rather from your own experience and learning.
@Imaginefree69 Ok, so what? so what if the rate is higher in whatever? How and what has that got to do with God and us worshipping him? Am not saying this claims are right, am just saying that even if they where, that would not stop anyone from worshipping God, the God i worship is not a God of evil, but rather of peace and love.
@theaccousticaddict "the God i worship is not a God of evil" According to your Bible.. god created evil, god causes evil. god created a special torture chamber in which to burn most humans for ever. god kills people by the tens of thousands to show off. he requires human sacrifice to appease his insane rage. he is the greatest mass murderer in history. he commanded his people to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers and take them home to share with YHVH's priests. Evil
@Imaginefree69 "God created a special toture chamber to burn most humans forever", you are so wrong, Hell is not made for us, but for satan and his angels, where they will be bound in chains for ever in eternal damnation, but satan wants to take God's children along with him to hell, dats why he entices man into committing sin, dats why he made Adam and Eve, so dat they,ll be sinful and be in danger of hell, hell is not for us but for satan and his angels.
@theaccousticaddict "Hell is not made for us, but for satan and his angels" So? Why do people say this as if it somehow exonerates god from responsibility for hell? Are Satan and his angels not god's creations? Did god not know before he made hell that he would be stoking its fires with most of humanity? What difference does it make WHY he made it? This is a sincere question, and nobody has ever answered it for me. Thanks.
@Imaginefree69 Ive hear all your claims, but can you give me preferences to where this are in the bible, its easy to hear and tell, but its another thing to give real evidence to what you are talking about. If God is so evil as you say, why has he not wiped us all away from the face of the earth? he would be killing us from time to time, now that would be evil, woudnt it?
@theaccousticaddict Why don't Christians know what their Bibles say? It's not my job to give you Bible lessons. " why has he not wiped us all away from the face of the earth?" According to your Bible he did. In the myth of Noah's ark and the flood god killed all but eight people on earth. Evil git. "he would be killing us from time to time" According to your Bible he's going to do it again, with fire. And yes, that would be evil. Read the damned book.
@Imaginefree69, You need proper education about some stuff mate, you need to start from the basis, ok lemme try and debunk this: God is not going to destroy anyone by fire, hell was made for satan and his angels, not God's creation, how can God create man and woman, then go ahead to prepare a fire of torment for them, does that make sense? Its like a parent littering the floor with broken bottles for their baby to crawl on , that's stupid, lesson 1; Hell is not made for us.
That leads us to an odd conundrum. He says something is child abuse, but doesn't want someone prosecuted for it? So child abuse shouldn't be a crime?
Razgovory 4 weeks ago
Whatever happened to live and let live?
jordanthewizard 1 month ago
Just cause you were baptised by your parent doesn't mean that you are a Christian mind and soul. You must be the one who chooses, not your parents.
ralax3 2 months ago 2
@ralax3 -Raised Roman Catholic, became Atheist at age 17- I agree with Dawkins on this one mostly exact where it may come to indoctrination.
nocliper101 1 month ago
@nocliper101 I always thought that Catholics were the ones that give their faith hardest
ralax3 1 month ago
@ralax3 Meaning by my parents or myself? It was a three year process with me with my faith (thankfully) dying before I decided I was atheist, though only about a year and a half to renounce Christianity for a form of deism.
My parents had us go through 8 years of Sunday school, church every week or more, religious talks often and...actually thankfully, a shit youth group that opened my eyes...to how bad the religion actually was. That youth group is what started it.
nocliper101 1 month ago
@nocliper101 What kid of group ? Well, I always thought that children that are raised in catholic families have less chances to renounce their faith. What group ? How did your catholic parents reacted to your atheistm ?
ralax3 1 month ago
@ralax3 It was a youth group called "Together in Christ." And you are right, a lot don't, fortunately I'm not the only "rebel" in my house, my sister being bisexual. At any rate, my dad never talked to me on it, never treated me different and when I finally talked to him on it...he was fairly cool about it, though did a little bit of a guilt trip on me, though I think unintended. My mother was a whole other fiasco, it was a fight with her to stop forcing me to church with them.
nocliper101 1 month ago
Just cause you were baptised by your parents doesn't mean that you are a Christian with your mind and soul.
ralax3 2 months ago
The major problem with teaching religion to kids is that they instill fear of an imaginary boogeyman and a place of eternal torture... Such nonsense should NEVER be thought to a child, this is psychological trauma material!
Oh, and let's not forget the parents that ground their kids for becoming atheists or better yet, who beat the piss out of their kids to "save" them...
kalajel 3 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
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The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
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SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
If words have any meaning, and we label religious education as child abuse, is there any reason to think Dawkins believes it should be treated any differently from other forms of abuse?
JWHurwitz 5 months ago
@JWHurwitz
He didn't say he though religious education was child abuse. He said, specifically, that he thought describing a child as a Christian child (or Muslim child etc) just because it's their parent's religion, is child abuse (in his opinion).
oliveranthonyrowland 3 months ago
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@JWHurwitz
He didn't say he though religious education was child abuse. He said, specifically, that he thought describing a child as a Christian child (or Muslim child etc) just because it's their parent's religion, is child abuse (in his opinion).
oliveranthonyrowland 3 months ago
Religious teaching is a form of child abuse by the definiton, I'm sure he gets that too.
Dawkins is more focused on the "legal" aspect of the question and trying to be more politically-correct here.
ardaorhan 5 months ago
Dawkins says he "never said that parents who bring up their children religious should be prosecuted". But he does say that bringing up children religious is child abuse. Hence he doesn't believe child abusers should be prosecuted!. How odd.
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TheServiceWeb 7 months ago
dawkins = fool
virtualguitarist 7 months ago
see more than your TV eyes would normally allow. Enjoy the true ridicule..
MaynardStaly 7 months ago
Why should a child be Christan og Catholich? Just because its parents are? Everyone who have watched this video will agree with me when I say that if a child can´t decide which political party to vote for, how can it know which religion suits it best?
Regin82 8 months ago
I think his definition of child abuse is a little loose. I think beating a kid is much worse than teaching it that there is a sky fairy watching and commanding us all.
crazybay46913 8 months ago
Religion is "child abuse"!?? Dawkins is taking his militant atheism too far.
People who commit child abuse should be prosecuted. If Dawkins says he doesn't think religious parents should be prosecuted; then its not "child abuse"
atheistrocker100 8 months ago
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showing a 6 year old a man nailed to a cross then telling them that he died for them and if you dont believe it you will burn for eternity in hell IS child abuse
coltsrule5150 8 months ago
Indoctrination = Child Abuse
axax444 9 months ago
Is religion child abuse? What percentage of Athiests beat, neglect, and butt fuck their children?
Or, on a lighter note, as Adam Carolla says, "How many atheists are there in prison"
TheBlitz1 9 months ago
@TheBlitz1 that's an absurd argument. If i tell you that "all right handed people are potential criminals because there are more right handed people in prison than left handed". that's an stupid statement. but it's truth, there are more right handed people in prison.
evil people are not evil because they are religious or atheist, nor because they are blonde or bald, tall or short.
they are evil, simply because they are evil. and you will find them among every social group out there
patataton 9 months ago
@patataton how many atheists are in prison yo
how many atheists butt fuck and beat the shit out of their children
take a poll dude, you know im right
TheBlitz1 9 months ago
@TheBlitz1 Blitz, you deluded moron.
About 10% of americans are atheists, but only about 0.3% of american prisoners are atheists.
About 70% of americans are christians, and about 85% of american prisoners are christians of some denomination.
Child abuse and spousal abuse are higher in christian households than in atheist ones. Look it up, bra. But of course, you won't respond to this because you are either afraid of the truth or just a troll.
Prognosticator00 8 months ago
@Prognosticator00 I think you misread my comments.
TheBlitz1 8 months ago
@TheBlitz1 Yeah, I think I did. Sorry, I thought you were a christian troll.
Prognosticator00 8 months ago
@Prognosticator00 Adam Carolla is one I would define as a militant atheist.
A real pleasure to listen to.
TheBlitz1 8 months ago
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TheBlitz1 9 months ago
I'm bringing up my children based on 40 years experience. I came a christian when I was 18 with a fairly strong atheist / not bothered background. I came a christian by seeing the difference in peoples lives and it was almost as if a blind-fold was taken off. Since then I've done an engineering degree (first class hons) and a masters (in IT) - - but ultimately comes down to truth. I've read Rich D's book and he had a similar background but in reverse.
AndyWhite007 9 months ago
Teaching a child religion may be child abuse but I make no comment either way.
But Dawkins presents a Strawman argument here. Noone ever said anything about 'child farms', only prosecution was raised.
It is suprising that a freethinker would post such nonsense argument. People, becareful, even us atheists are capable od deception in our arguments
Thanks
KoreaForeigner 9 months ago
@KoreaForeigner "Teaching a child religion may be child abuse but I make no comment either way.
But Dawkins presents a Strawman argument here. Noone ever said anything about 'child farms', only prosecution was raised.
It is suprising that a freethinker would post such nonsense argument. People, becareful, even us atheists are capable od deception in our arguments
Thanks"
NO - YOU have got this wrong ! Challenge me to back that up, and I will...
nordhorny 9 months ago
Jesus is real and so is the Tooth Fairy, I saw him in a movie, but my favourite over the top and imposible to be real bible story is when Jesus killed the Hamburgular and everyone got laid.
If you can't tell that I'm being sarcasting then U IZ SILLY
Ascerus 10 months ago
LOL Dawkins' face! He looked like Francis Collins had materialized out of nowhere and bitchslapped him!
Just kidding, Human Genome Project or no, Richard Dawkins could kick Collins' ass any fucking day.
DissenteensInRevolt 10 months ago
I disagree with Dawkins, parents should be prosocuted for teaching children religion and in some cases have them removed from their parents. Teaching a child religion is child abuse and it is totally unacceptable
aratidwell 11 months ago 22
@aratidwell - Yeah, let's just forget about that pesky 1st Amendment.
JMcH 11 months ago
@aratidwell in America is it acceptable in society to raise your child in a religion.Thats why we have freedom of religion. I dont quite get the arguement that religion is child abuse or labeling children is child abuse. these men are silly. What the hell constitutes as child abuse to these people? I would love to hear thier definition. Religion is child abuse? but exposing a child to second hand smoke isn't? What causes more harm in the end?
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt Religion. They are forcing a child to believe what they believe, they indoctrinate him with THEIR ideas and view on the world, children growing up in religious families are indoctrinated with the religion of the parents and take the away the ability of the child to think for himself, for what he believes, and what his opinion of things is. Not that they not live him/her, certainly not. But because of what they think is right, they also force the child to believe that as the only truth.
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 Exactly, but religion doesn't take away the ability to think for yourself, thats a conscience desicision. Even Dawkins himself grew up in a christian home, but he turned away from religion and turned out fine. I dont see the harm done. And i dont see the problem with socialization, brainwashing, indoctrination, or whatever. Its all the same to me. That doesnt consitute as abuse. To abuse someone you must have intent to seriously harm. like physical and mental to the point of-
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@magictouch115 being unable to function in society. And contrary to popular athiest beleif, religion does not affect one's ability to thrive in American society.No harm no foul. Besides without indoctrination, you wouldnt be able to speak the language you are now or function in society.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt So you're saying that indoctrinating children with religion is a good thing? Then you agree with the fact that children growing up in a religious family do not have -or very little- the ability to think for themselves. Because god created all in 6 days and on the 7th day he sat down to relax. So evolution does not exist, other gods etc. etc. As long as this mindset continues, it could really affect progression of the human race, because a view groups of people are stuck 2000+ yrs ago.
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 im not argueing good and evil here. Im just sticking with objective facts. Religious upbringing ALONE does not significally affect one's ability to think for themselves. Sociological,biological, physiological, envioronmental, genetic, nuerological factors do come into play. Just because some guy in a suit with degrees in none of these says so, doesnt make it true. And based on my defintion of child abuse, religion is not child abuse.i dont care about that other crap you are saying
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@magictouch115 it has nothing to do with the defintion i set out or functioning in society. I don't mind having a philosophical debate about that shit, but right now im talking about legally defined child abuse.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt Do you know what religion has destroyed? More then what it has built. Like 1530 when the first spanjards came to south america. They thought that those natives were demons, so they killed them all, destroyed their villages and burned all their books and documents. Now, those people understood the universe very good, and now nothing is left of those people but for a view temples and fundaments of houses. Thats only one thing of many....
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 i dont care if religion destroyed all alien life, half of the human population, most of the universe and is the sole cause of sin, the devil, nuclear war heads, drugs, death,destruction, gangs, war,and 100% PURE evil. My arguement is simply religion is not child abuse. I can teach my child to become worse than Hitler and Stalin combined, but that alone does not contitute as child abuse. And no, im not going to bother refuting religion is any of that because its rediculas.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt No. No no no. If you indoctrinate your kid to hate a certain group of people (Jews, non-communists) that would be child abuse. Because you bend and twist a childs innocent mindset and spirit, into a dark, hating phantom. It might not be judgable by law, but by morals it certainly is. So you dont care that religion destroyed half of the world? Ok I'm done here I think. You've proven that with what you said, Atheists and non-religious people are needed, all around the world.
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 child abuse has nothing to do with how you beleive a child should be raised. It deals with intent to physicaly, sexually, or emotionaly harm the child beyond what is considered functional in society. saying. " It might not be judgable by law, but by morals it certainly is." Is no different than saying "It might not be judgable by law, but by the bible it certainly is." Morals and the bible are subjective, not objective standards in which we all go by.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt
There is some truth to what you're saying. However, you gotta take into account how influence-able children are at that stage of development. Imposing religion on them at such an age is... well, I want to say brain washing, but I think it may be too strong a term, but, somewhere near what that would imply. I think that'd be a form of psychological or mental abuse. Or, it would be to child abuse what manslaughter is to murder. The same act, but of a lower degree, if that makes sense...
Scarecrow545 9 months ago
@Scarecrow545 it makes sense, but its all subjective. Imposing religion is no different than imposing culture, language, political beleifs, and what ever the parents choose. You can sit here and nit pick which culture, language, belief is harmful or actually helpful, but in the end it becomes a moot point. Because real child abuse is not limited to a religion or certain belief in which a minority of you beleive is harmful. child abuse destroys a child's ability to function in a society period.
ikcjjtt 9 months ago
@ikcjjtt
Yeah I can agree with that. There are just too many variables to decide whether it is abuse in itself.
Scarecrow545 9 months ago
@aratidwell I hope you never have children, you are likely to abuse them if they didn't think your way. See how mindless generalizations sound stupid?
yeaimthatdude1 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 At least I wont tell my children blatant fictional lies about reality history and existance that will forever currupt their ability to logic and reason rationally. People who teach their children religion, god and the afterlife as a "fact" should be criminally charged with child abuse
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell would you also agree that anyone who tells their children that there is absolutely 0% chance no way god could exist as a "fact" should suffer the same charges of child abuse? And to comment on the first part of your response would you abuse your children if they didn't think your way? Since the words "at least I won't etc. "indicate that you are implying that you would, but is not as bad as etc. Please respond to BOTH parts of my comments (if u want to reply). Thank you!
yeaimthatdude1 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 Look dude, evidence presented any resonable person would agree that beyond a resonable doubt there is a 100% certianty that no god, at least as per definition of any commonly known religion on earth, exists. Unfourtantly through a psychological "virus" of religion taught to the majority of people as minors permantly learning language ideas and thought processes of logic have esentially been currupted.
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell See the youtube video for Toyota 911 fatal lexus crash. If driver had lived he should had immediatly been arrested for reckless endangerment. Instead of thinking to turn the car off or put it in nuetral, he PRAYED TO A NON EXISTANT GOD to save him! Religion currupts logical human thought. Teaching religion (as a truth) to minors should be a FELONY OFFENSE OF SEVERE CHILD ABUSE
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell so where's your proof god doesn't exist. And you haven't answered my questions, go back to the previous comments to see what those questions were. If you can prove God doesn't exist then I will admit I'm wrong. And please don't rebound my statement to say "well you can't prove he exists" and your right I can't. But you are making the claim there is a 100% chance that God does not exist" and you do realize you are being very bigoted in your comments don't you?
yeaimthatdude1 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 In the last 100 years of modern science, THERE IS NOT ONE SCIENTIFIC LAW THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE EXISTANCE OF GOD, PRAYER OR AFTERLIFE!!!! Infact, most science 100% contradicts such. The only exception that "god cannot be disproven" is what I call lenguistic trickery by creating the "god exception" which excludes "GOD" from having to obide any physical law or rule! You people are mad insane DANGEROUS delusioned mentally ill people!
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell you do realize that the definition of insanity means a deviation from the cultural norms of society. Since atheists only make up about 10% of the population at the very most, the accepted scientific definition of insanity supports that atheism is in fact, a mental illness. Before you start yelling at me again please read the definition of insanity and mental illness and you'll find that I'm correct
yeaimthatdude1 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 you should read up on Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). The belief in god/afterlife can 100% meet the criteria for a delusional disorder and meets many of, for some people, all of, the criteria for schizophrenia
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell it does not matter since the DEFINITION of mental illness is a violation of societal norms. And besides any belief held to such an extreme can be mental illness. Weather it is murdering people because they are a different religion or murdering religious people because that person thinks it will cleanse the world. Any belief can fill that requirement of mental disorders. Again a mental disorder is a violation of societal norms and that defines atheism since it is a small # of ppl
yeaimthatdude1 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 according to the american heritage dictionary "n. Any of various conditions characterized by impairment of an individual's normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning, and caused by social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors, such as infection or head trauma. Also called emotional illness, mental disease, Also called mental disorder.
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aratidwell 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 You irrational delusioned logic-less god believing people seem to not have a problem twisting their perception of reality into things that do not exist = INSANITY no definition needed bozo
aratidwell 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 face it, UR A DELUSIONED IDIOT, shut up and go seek MENTAL HELP from a QUALIFIED ATHEIST DOCTOR
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell ad hominem attacks do not make me any less wrong. Since you really have nothing more to add I say goodbye and wish you the very best
yeaimthatdude1 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 hopefully someday you will find reality, before you die in a car crash interrupting the 911 operator instructing you to turn off the car (or put it in nuetral) to ask the operator to "pray for you" because you are approaching a dead-end intersection. People who learn religion and the god-lie at an early age a permantly (some more than others) disabled/corrupted from thinking logically, since with god REALITY does not require LOGIC or REASON
aratidwell 8 months ago
@yeaimthatdude1 RELIGION IS A SEVERE MEDICAL MENTAL ILLNESS and the MOST DANGEROUS AND WIDESPREAD HUMAN ILLNESS ON THE PLANET
aratidwell 8 months ago
@aratidwell Not exactly... they teach them about Santa... what's the difference? The real issue here is whether it is right to tell your kids white lies to protect them about how shit the world really is.
Moppy1988 6 months ago
@aratidwell
parents should teach children all views and let the children choose for themselves, they shouldn't be sheltered from any view!
gablison 5 months ago
Lol, the first Christians called their God Allah.
dubofkush 1 year ago
@dubofkush why lol? allah is just the arabic word for "god". if i say "allah akbar" im only saying "god is great" in arabic. it doesnt mean im a muslim it just means im simply speaking in the arabic language. allah isnt a proper name. its no different than calling jesus by the muslim name for him, isa. christians and muslims are speaking of the same person.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger I know, God is to Allah if I were saying donkey to hamar.
dubofkush 11 months ago
i think its important for children to learn about religious books and symbolism
as much of the worlds advertising , buildings , art have religious refrences
ricahrd dawkins quote : you can't understand English literature and culture without the bible
ORALORALSEX 1 year ago
People say religion teaches people morals and atheism is immoral. I say atheists get morals from common sense and basic decency. Is it really a moral thing to scare children into doing what you tell them to by threatening them with eternal suffering, or by bribing them with eternal happiness? Anyone who looks deeper will realize these are shallow lies just used to control people's minds.
1danyol1 1 year ago 2
@1danyol1 FINALLY SOMEONE WHO RELISES THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN TO CONTROL GULLIBLE SLAVES
SuperNateclark 1 year ago
those of you who profess to be atheists are simply miserable people who have chosen to turn your back and harden your heart against the God who created you and loved you.
warriorspikes51 1 year ago
@warriorspikes51 Are you a Christian? If so, you have turned your back and hardened your heart against Allah. If so, you have turned your back and hardened your heart against Zeus. You've turned your back and hardened your heart against Thor, Venus, Jupiter, Apollo, Ra, Isis, Osiris.
lagerbaer 1 year ago 20
@lagerbaer Balls ya! All those bad-asses and dudes! They all worked together to build the Earth, am I right? No? Okay what happened?
chowder130 1 year ago
@lagerbaer Don't forget Kronos, Gaia, Oranos, Theia, Aphrodite, Ares, Hermes, Horus, Odin, Loki, Tyr, Heimdall, Okeanus.
Etc. :P
Although, whilst I agree with this form of debate, I do feel it does not gather the underlying point - it's not a 50:50 stretch between creationism and evolutionism. Evolutionism should be the main focus because it has the idea of logic behind it, and thus is more reasonable to follow a falsifiable belief that can further progress than one that prevents open-minds.
Thecrazyhide 6 months ago
@Thecrazyhide That is exactly why the "both sides" people are wrong. Evolution and Creationism are not both equally valid sides of an issue. Those who believe in Creationism are almost the ones who don't even properly know what evolution teaches, they don't know what the laws of thermodynamic *actually* say and they don't know how to work scientifically.
lagerbaer 6 months ago
@lagerbaer Working scientifically requires a rational, questioning mindset. It's the exact opposite of what religion teaches, to believe in your God and to follow his rule.
Also yeah, isn't the second law of thermodynamics that you cannot convert energy into another form with 100% the same quality?
That doesn't necessarily account for the generation of new energy in the Big Bang.
Thecrazyhide 6 months ago
@Thecrazyhide "your god" uhm, I am an atheist.
The 2nd law states that you cannot convert heat ("random" energy) to work ("directed energy") with 100% efficiency. Energy itself is always conserved, but even that does not rule out the big bang.
When people talk about the 2nd law they usually say something like "entropy = disorder must always increase". That is wrong. Only in a closed system is this true. The earth isn't a closed system (lots of energy coming from the sun), so there it goes
lagerbaer 6 months ago
@lagerbaer I didn't mean "your God" directly to you, but rather what a religion teaches. :)
Also, thanks for clarification on second law :D
Thecrazyhide 6 months ago
Richard Dawkins has a beautiful spirit.
1971SuperLead 1 year ago
@1971SuperLead when he stands before the God who created him and gave him free will, he will appear as filthy rags. That's because Dawkins has chosen to waste his life teaching a fairy tale for grown ups.
warriorspikes51 1 year ago
@warriorspikes51, My my, aren't we being just a little judgmental? I find it rather arrogant to think someone can change the way God sees him. I'm sure God sees me as His creation. I have no doubt we cannot change His mind about us. To think you can change God's Mind....that takes some serious imagination. I'm sure God will be able to understand why the atheist was clueless, and not be offended. Really, don't you think God might be a little stronger than that?
1971SuperLead 1 year ago
@warriorspikes51 OR, he might say: "I gave you a brain and the ability to reason, and then I took great pains in hiding myself from you. With the information you were given, you were absolutely justified to reject belief in me. I don't want brainless followers, I want people who think for themselves. It doesn't matter that you were wrong in the end. Your disbelief was justified and as a reward you get eternal paradise". Just sayin', maybe god really wants to test something. But brains, not faith
lagerbaer 6 months ago
Does anyone know if Richard Dawkins will do something like this near Memphis, TN? I'd love to go to one of them. Thanks in advance.
MovieFinatic456 1 year ago
@MovieFinatic456 He does have a website. But I doubt he feels very safe in the US. Plus, he can't be everywhere. Maybe a better idea would be to find (or become) a kind of 'local Richard Dawkins' and organize events (MemphisAtheistsdotcom) yourself.
hagenar 1 year ago
@hagenar That's very tempting. But #1: I'm only 19 and I don't think people would really take me seriously. #2: I'm currently in college so I have enough on my plate already. #3 I still haven't told my extended family that I'm atheist and I think it'll be too much for them to handle that I'm not only a non-believer but I'm rallying others to be like me. I think I should first get the courage to tell them my views before I go full-out on this. But thank you so much for the info! :)
MovieFinatic456 1 year ago
this remainds me of a funny test i heard the other day. lets pretend that religion doesnt eixct. and then wait for 200 years (playing the "religion does not exict game), and then lets see how many people that believe XD
gulbirk 1 year ago
@jsellers2000 Oh man, I'm glad I ran into you! I'm actually on my way to hell right now, but some jerk told me to take a left a mile back and now I'm lost.
Could you give me some directions? I'd really appreciate it. If I'm late my wife is going to kill me.
heretic98 1 year ago
@cjsellers2000
*Raises Eye Brow*
Simpleton.
TheTimeTraveler100 1 year ago
dawkins is, as so often, wrong.
painterger 1 year ago
@painterger I'm sure he cares about your opinion.
MihaZ 1 year ago
@MihaZ a, i finally found an atheist who respects my opinion.
painterger 1 year ago
Yes, because leaving a child in a home with its abusive parents is a smart idea. If teaching your children your own philosophical views constitutes as child abuse, then it seems evident that the government has the right to interfere with your children. If the government should, Dawkins is some kind of megalomaniac. If the government shouldn't, we should leave kids with abusive parents. Dawkins finds himself between a rock and a hard place.
TheVodkaHaze 1 year ago
Why should we teach children anything? I think if we follow Dawkins' line of reasoning, kids would not be taught anything of what is moral. If that happens, having improper moral formation creates a vacuum which is easily filled by a skewed view of what is right. It is the parents' obligation to raise their children in their religion. Religion is their moral compass; atheism is Dawkins'.
Dawkins is not concerned with religious indoctrination, he thinks his form of indoctrination is more moral.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@APrognosticator its amusing you would call religions a 'moral' compass LOL
surely you must be kidding
religion is based on deceit...innocent children are taught to hate
WHATS moral about religions when theyre the provable cause of obscene levels of human misery, hatred, killing...families ripped apart etc
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale
Your view of religion is utterly skewed. But I should think that is a different discussion. My only point was that to say that religion is child abuse because it involves indoctrination during a state of naiveté, is a false idea. If you teach children morals, it is based on a moral viewpoint, either based on secular or religious reasons. It is the obligation of the parents to the children to teach them what is moral; without a moral foundation, there is no telling up from down.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@proudfemale
If Dawkins followed his own line of reasoning, both religious and secular indoctrination is child abuse -- and of course, neither is. If you want to argue that religion is evil and is instilling hatred in children, then you are arguing a completely different argument.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@APrognosticator children LIED TO re being told there is an allah who will punsh them, being taught to HATE, being beaten for not praying propertly, being mutilated because of parents beliefs/fears IS child abuse
there is nothing moral about religion...and parents dont need to be religious to teach children morals and right from wrong
to claim religion is a moral ';foundation'; is LAUGHABLE when its immoralities are sickening
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale
Again, you are arguing a totally different argument. Dawkins' only expressed his contention with the fact that children are incapable of escaping the dogma of religion; the only abuse Dawkins' is referencing is the indoctrination. He says nothing of religion being false; nor of religion being physically and mentally abusive. So in response, I was merely arguing that every child is indoctrinated -- for both secular and religious reasons. Indoctrination is naturally inescapable.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@APrognosticator religion is TAUGHT....stories about gods are TAUGHT....this is what religious indoctrination/brainwashing is
so how can parents who dont discuss gods/religion be indoctrinating children as per your claim
you claimed religions have a MORAL foundation...what a DISHONEST statement to make with what religious cause/do/teach etc
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale
Dawkins is making the statement that children should not be taught religous ideals becuase they are unable to decide for themselves. The content of what is being taught is unadressed by Dawkins. Securalists and the religious have morals that they follow. Both types of people teach morals to their children; and in both cases, the children are naturally too young to "decide" if they want to adhere to the set of morals their parents teach them.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@proudfemale
I would actually argue that the religious moral foundation is far more solid than the secular moral foundation: religion is at least based on something. Now, I cannot speak for all religion, and some religions I do detest; but speaking for the Catholicism, I must say that there is a strong moral set of principles. These religious principles are much more reasonable than any atheistic moral understanding as atheism has no reason for morals. Anyway, this whole point is irrelevant.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@APrognosticator really...so explain WHY the religious are more represented in prison/crime (per capita) than the non religious
WHAT is atheistic moral understanding...and its AMUSING you claim non belief in gods has no reason for morals
you dribble the most stupid NONSENSE
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale
This would be taking the argument in an entirely different direction. Though I admit that my last point was a irrelevant point, I suggest that we remain on the main topic of child abuse and religion. But in response, I would say that the questionable statistic regarding the religious being in higher concentration in prison than the non-religious is, in short, that it is the difference between the principles of the religion and the people who follow. Do not judge by the followers.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
@proudfemale
So if you want to argue, find the right page. You are going off in the wrong direction.
APrognosticator 1 year ago
Let them choose? Are you fucking me in the butt?
Ignorant consent is not consent at all, if I let my kid (imaginary) to eat whatever he wants he will only eat candy, while he is on my house, he obey my rules
bamalouisiana322 1 year ago
@bamalouisiana322 He means let them choose when they're old enough to have their own opinions, not when they're 6 and they are still watching sesame street. Children almost universally believe everything they are told, which is why it's risky business bringing a child up with religion.
Obby16 1 year ago
What he is saying is that we should brainwash our children with the evolution myth . He is saying dont teach them religion let them choose , what are they gonna choose when in schools they are brainwashed witch secular nonsense, and evolutionary myths .DESIGN PROOVS DESIGNER you dont get a bmw by chance, if you say that to someone they will call you crazy ,yet there are people who believe in such nonsense.GOD IS GREAT
sadi606 1 year ago
@sadi606 You've just proved your a dumbass. Do you know what a coccyx is? Go look it up, then as your god why you have one.
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@KazuoACT first Its something common for a athiest to be moralless and rude .
As for the coccyx it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments ,it is also part of the weight-bearing tripod structure which act as a support for a sitting person .Like anything else in the human bady the coccyx proovs the creator who created the coccyx for a purpose .Design proovs designer .
sadi606 1 year ago
@sadi606 A coccyx is essentially a human tailbone. Yes lets share parts that other monkeys already have and build a human being with them, because god is so resourceful. I'm sure him giving us passed down monkey chromosomes isn't suspicious either. You seriously believe in a god that would purposefully create everything and then trick us into believing we evolved? Your god is a douchebag.
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@sadi606 What about the appendix? We certainly did need it when we were a less evolved primate form living largely on leaves and vegetation, but, now, it is utterly useless.
Alexdurrant7 1 year ago
@Alexdurrant7 @Alexdurrant7 New studies propose that the appendix may harbor and protect bacteria that are beneficial in the function of the human colon.The appendix has a function in fetuses and adults. Endocrine cells have been found in the appendix of 11 week old fetuses that contribute to "biological control mechanisms.In adults, he appendix acts as a lymphatic organ.
The appendix is experimentally verified as being rich in infection-fighting lymphoid cells.
sadi606 1 year ago
@sadi606 how amusing that one who is religious and supports the human misery religions inflict, the immoralities, the filth, would call one who doesnt believe in taught stories re gods to be 'moralless' LOL
I challenge you to have the guts to answer kazuo's questions re coccyx
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale Yes a believer in the theorie of evolution dosnt believe in morals like giving charity or helping the poor ,or not killing other human beings .Because the moto of the theorie of evolution is suvivle of the fittest .Its the theorie of evolution that hase a theorie of violence ,big fish eating small fish .A believer would not kill a innocent human being because he fears god. what about the atheist nothing can stop him from killing .
sadi606 1 year ago
@sadi606 UTTER NONSENSE...what makes you so deluded, so DISHONEST with such a childish claim
the VAST MAJORITY of worlds brightest intellects, i.e. scientists, dont believe in morals or helping people and the poor...many GIVE THEIR LIVES to help people
its amusing that you think they KILL
your own dirty prick mohammed MURDERED innocents just because they didnt accept what he went to offer them, he had hundreds of boys from age 12 SLAUGHTERED
you show CHILDISH STUPIDITY
proudfemale 1 year ago
@sadi606 given your nonsense claim re morals, explain why those who dont believe in any allah KNOW ISLAM AS UTTERLY REPULSIVE and are constantly sickened/chilled by muslim teachings/behaviours to islams innocent victims
your dirty prick mohammed was a pedo/rapist/liar/thief/sicko deviant/necrophile/MURDERER of innocents and he took, kept and RAPED slaves
and youre dribbling on about morals of people who live good responsible lives
proudfemale 1 year ago
@sadi606 the religious with intellect acknowledge the IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCES of evolution...but youre saying you would prefer your child be taught/controlled by myths/deceit
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale Irrefutable evidence of evolution ??? where is it ?? is it in the fossils that we find everyday under the earth with half man half ape bone structures ??Or does the human bady support the evolution myth of creation by chance ,while the human bady is so complex designed. Or is it the countless planets in the universe orbiting in there order is that prooving the theorie of evolution creation by chance ??
sadi606 1 year ago
@sadi606 how amusing, a muslim who SUPPORTS the filth/misery/immoralities islam inflicts on innocent victims, who SITS IN SILENCE when muslims KILL MUSLIMS on a daily basis, who then talks about morals...given the HIUDEOUS history of islam
yep, evolution is a FACT BEYOND DISPUTE...and muslims with intellect acknowledge the massive evidences
conversely, theres NOT A SHRED of anything to support theory of any allah
AND koran has errors in it which proves muslims are lied to
proudfemale 1 year ago
Its funny how people will believe this man and take everything he says as truth. Why does every person on the face of the earth quiestion at one point whether God exists? I spent a quarter fo my life denying God and the bible until Jesus revealed himself to me. Even if I say every miracle He's done n my life since....You still won't believe but rather Ruchard Dawkins....I am 100% sure where I'm going after this short life, I hope you are too. God desires that NONE should perish.
kcl2207 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 You are wrong about that mate, so re you saying Christian parents tend to be more violent than unchristian parents? really? is that bcos the bible says that we should be violent towards children? cos we christians tend to carry out the teachings of God from the bible. I think you are quite ignorant and deluded not to notice christianity for its harmony, peace, love and life of holiness.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
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@theaccousticaddict "re you saying Christian parents tend to be more violent than unchristian parents? "
Your level of reading comprehension is poor.
I never said that.
It may well be true,
but I did not say that.
You seem to read like most Christians;
you see what you WANT to see
rather than what is written.
That's why so many "believers"
think there are no errors and contradictions in the Bible.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "we christians tend to carry out the teachings of God from the bible"
How sad.
Aside from the unicorns and talking snakes and donkeys
and the requirement to practice ritualized cannibalism
and a 600 year old goat herder building a Titanic from desert shrubs,
we see that your god commanded his people
to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their dead mothers
and take them home to share with YHVH's priests.
This is the book you are basing your morality on?
How obscene.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 There's nothing like a talking snake, it was the devil who transformed himself to a snake, dats why the snake was able to speak, GOSH.
Yes, God made Balaam's donkey speak, he created all living things, so he can make them do whatever he wants them to do.
So all you see in the bible is evil? how abt the sermons and preachings of Jesus? No?
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "God made Balaam's donkey speak"
Could you provide some EVIDENCE for talking beasts?
What with the flat earth and all
I'm not prepared to accept the unsupported testimony of scripture.
My grandpa once had a pet turtle
that played Edelweiss on the trombone,
but never with witnesses present.
It really frustrated Pops that no one believed him.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69, Talking beasts? what the hell are you talking about? I just told you that it was Balaam's donkey that spoke and you are talking about beasts? Balaam's donkey was just one.
There's no place in the bible that says that the earth is flat, prove me wrong and show me where it says so, then i,ll show you where the bible says that the earth is circular in shape. Talking beasts dont exist, but God made ONLY balaam's donkey speak, not ALL donkeys, wake up mate.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "Balaam's donkey was just one"
And the serpent was one.
One and one makes two.
Two is plural.
One talking beast plus one talking beast equals "talking beasts."
You actually need this to be explained?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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@theaccousticaddict "So all you see in the bible is evil?"
I'd say around 80%..
Aside from the unicorns and talking snakes and donkeys
and the requirement to practice ritualized cannibalism
and a 600 year old goat herder building a Titanic from desert shrubs,
we see that your god commanded his people
to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their dead mothers
and take them home to share with YHVH's priests.
This is the book you are basing your morality on?
How obscene.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "I think you are quite ignorant and deluded not to notice christianity for its harmony, peace, love and life of holiness."
Shall we discuss "deluded"?
I was a pastor for over 40 years.
One of the greatest arguments against the existence of your god and the validity of your religion is that Xians do NOT manifest love or victory or unity or ANY of the "gifts of the Spirit" that the Bible promises.
NONE.
If you want mercy, go to the gay community.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "I was a pastor for over 40 years.." so?? what is that supposed to prove? That you actually know God? or that you know wether he truely exist or not? I think not. Being a pastor for 40 years is not a garauntee to knowing God, what matters is our personal relationship with him.You can be a pastor for 40 years and still go to hell, i can have a relationship with God for a day and make heaven.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
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@theaccousticaddict "what is that supposed to prove?"
That I have adequate experience
upon which to base a rational conclusion.
Just how young ARE you, anyway?
Your spelling isn't bad,
and your grammar indicates some education
but your concepts are those of an adolescent.
Experience DOES count for something.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Just for the record, we are call CHRISTians, mot xtians, xtians is purposely marking the founder of christianity away and that is pure satanic manipulation. Just as in christmas which some rather use xmas, all to get rid of "Christ". I wonder why people put so much effort in refuting christianity and christ if christianity is really fake as they claim?
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69,LOL, dont be deceived mate, x does not mean Christ, not in Greek symbols, not in Egyptian hieroglyphs, not in any ancient writings. The main truth is that "x" was rather formulated by evil men, servants of satan who never wanted the name of Christ mentioned in anything. So therefore, anything that had to do with Christ was replaced with x. I know this is too intense for your small mind to grasp, that's because u re limited to physicality and have no idea of the spiritual.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "x does not mean Christ,"
OIf you enjoy parading your ignorance in public
I won't stand in your way.
Nor will I continue to try to have a rational conversation
with someone who refuses to look at the evidence.
Adios, "mate."
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Yeah whatever you say, X in a million years will never mean Christ, you,ve been misinformed, the letter x is used as a cancellation letter or something former, as in ex husband, ex wife, never in a million years does X stand for Christ, ive been a Christian all my life, and never have i come across such thing. You,ve clearly been misinformed of why the word x is used to replace Christ, it doesn't, it stands for something else.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
Not "ex", but "X."
Do you have a reading disability?
Or is your closed mind getting in the way of your facts?
According to the Oxford English Dictionary,
the use of the abbreviation "xian" or "xtian" for "Christian"
dates back at least as far as 1634.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Isnt that interesting, my comments are marked as spam. Intelligent conversation and answering others posts are not spam. And you call yourself a free thinker. You all will stand before God without excuse, because you ALL have been warned.
Rumor100 1 year ago
@Rumor100 What else do you expect from those who are of the world and have not the holy spirit in them? they are like empty vessels, they make the loudest noise, and like houses built on a weak foundation they shall crumble, Christ is the only firm foundation, its so unlucky that many are lost in darkness and yet tend to think they are in light, but may God help for he alone can save.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "Christ is the only firm foundation"
So please explain why Christians
have a higher rate of divorce, suicide, addictions,
mental illness, fear, and self-loathing than their atheist cohort?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69, You are wrong, Christians do not have the highest rate of divorce, suicide, addictions, mental illness and fear, where do you get this crap from anyway? How can living a life of peace, love and harmony according to the bible bring about all this things? Christianity is all about trying to be christ like, living a holy life, so you are so wrong mate.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict "Christians do not have the highest rate of divorce..."
Have you not learned to use Google?
One thing that Xians seem unable to understand
is that REALITY is unaffected
by their desires, wishes, and opinions.
Yes, the rate of personal and social failure
IS higher among Xians,
just at their IQ and educational levels are lower.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Oh, so just bcos Google said so, then its 100% right? And what is Google anyway ? What makes you think that everything that comes up from Google is right? All information on there is put by men like you and me and not from God or a higher spirit who never lies, the web is full of lies just so you know, and not all that glitters is God, dont make decisions in life based on what you,ve heard or read from someone else, but rather from your own experience and learning.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Ok, so what? so what if the rate is higher in whatever? How and what has that got to do with God and us worshipping him? Am not saying this claims are right, am just saying that even if they where, that would not stop anyone from worshipping God, the God i worship is not a God of evil, but rather of peace and love.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "God created a special toture chamber to burn most humans forever", you are so wrong, Hell is not made for us, but for satan and his angels, where they will be bound in chains for ever in eternal damnation, but satan wants to take God's children along with him to hell, dats why he entices man into committing sin, dats why he made Adam and Eve, so dat they,ll be sinful and be in danger of hell, hell is not for us but for satan and his angels.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
If hell was made for Satan and his angels,
why are there billions of people in hell,
some having been there for 6,000 years,
and yet Satan and his angels are still free and happy?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Ive hear all your claims, but can you give me preferences to where this are in the bible, its easy to hear and tell, but its another thing to give real evidence to what you are talking about. If God is so evil as you say, why has he not wiped us all away from the face of the earth? he would be killing us from time to time, now that would be evil, woudnt it?
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69, You need proper education about some stuff mate, you need to start from the basis, ok lemme try and debunk this: God is not going to destroy anyone by fire, hell was made for satan and his angels, not God's creation, how can God create man and woman, then go ahead to prepare a fire of torment for them, does that make sense? Its like a parent littering the floor with broken bottles for their baby to crawl on , that's stupid, lesson 1; Hell is not made for us.
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