Mike was really scary in his early 20's. Great head movement, effective jab and quick. What made him effective was he did all the little things perfectly. He lost all of that when he left Kevin Rooney as his trainer. It was discipline which made him great. Unfortunately it all fell apart when Mike had nobody to tell him no later in his career. Darn shame too. He was great.
Tyson would have destroyed Wladimir, but I don't know about Vitali. Wladi is a counter puncher and you can't counterpunch against Tyson... Tyson would have destroyed Ali in his prime, he would have beaten Louis too. Probly Foreman would have beat Tyson, but that's all...
You are out of your mind if you think that Tyson would ice both Klitschko bros. Tyson can't hang with them all 12. If he don't get nothing in first 5 rounds he's as good as dead.
@sguerrera59 Umm,... Look into punctuation before posting again. Your posting simply reads as if you are an infant who happened to crawl up to Mommie's keyboard and tap away. ;) Also, We did get to see how good Tyson could have been. And he got there by fighting the worst decade of heavyweights ever than he should have. Yeah,.. he could punch. And that was all. Plus he really promoted the sport with his wonderful character, style, cultured manner, and intelligent press. LOL!
Este era el mejor momento de Tyson, 22 años.. si comparamos el mejor momento de Ali (cuando venció a Sunny Liston que tenia 22 años)... seria una comparación mas justa.. y creo que Tyson hubiese durado 15 asaltos tratando de conectar un golpe para k.o. Sencillamente no hubiese podido pegarle a Ali... nadie podía pegarle a Ali en ese momento. Ali hubiese vencido por decisión unánime.
Holmes no era ni la sombra de lo que fue cuando peleo con Tyson,el acepto la pelea unicamente por el buen dinero que le ofrecio Don King,en su mejor momento le habria hecho la noche larga a Tyson,mucha gente vio este KO como venganza por la paliza que el le dio a Ali.
Bueno, viendo este combate, yo no se como Larry Holmes se atrevió a criticar y a compararse con Ali,cuando aqui no se la pudo con Tyson que era mucho menos que Frasier. Ali es y será el mejor boxeador de todos los tiempos y nadie, absolutamente nadie lo noqueó. Mas que mediocre y una mala copia de Aly era este Holmes, bien merecida la palisa recibida por bocón
@dropduff 1° holmes aca ya estaba mayorsito 2° tyson en un pibe con toda la fuerza y 3° fraiser no tenia tanta potencia como tyson, en sintesis no discuto que ali sea el mejor, pero si vists las peleas de fraiser vs ali habras visto q casius recibio varias manos netas! t pensas q hubiera tolerado asi a tyson?tdo el q boxeo cn M.T. dijo q tenia una pegada inhumana, Ali ubiese perdido, y no digas q tyson no tiene mandibula ni defensa hay videos q prueban lo contrario irrefutablement
@charlysrun2 Este era el mejor momento de Tyson, 22 años.. si comparamos el mejor momento de Ali (cuando venció a Sunny Liston que tenia 22 años)... seria una comparación mas justa.. y creo que Tyson hubiese durado 15 asaltos tratando de conectar un golpe para k.o. Sencillamente no hubiese podido pegarle a Ali... nadie podía pegarle a Ali en ese momento. Ali hubiese vencido por decisión unánime.
Er, Holyfield did beat Tyson twice and comfortably. Simple as that. There may have been butts, Cus may have died, Tyson was past his prime and had been to prison for 4 years but that's the reality. He lost. We'll never really know how good Tyson was or could have been because his prime lasted about two years and in that time he never fought anyone that could fight back. I'm trying to think of Tyson's best opponent that he didn't lose to... Maybe Spinks? Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher Smith... Who?
@MrXavierization Well, you think that Lamotta would make a top 20 (ahead of Tyson hahahaha) and that Holyfield didn't cheat by headbutting and that Bruno was crap so... ...sadly your opinion doesn't hold much credence.
These guys were genuine contenders in the 80's which had much higher standards than what's on offer today, especially in the heavyweight division with the Klitschko's and David Haye.
Tyson was a great fighter at his peak but even at his peak Ali, Lewis, and a peak Holyfield would've still beaten him. Great exciting fighter but not in my top 8 heavyweights for definate.
@HoldenDurham1 I'm a Tyson fan and I agree that Mike probably wouldn't make the top 8 or even top 10. But I can't see him left out of the top 20.
I think he'd be a good match for Ali. Tyson before Dumping Rooney would've knocked Ali out, and Post-Prison Tyson would probably be beaten by Ali (unless it was after Ali's own lay-off). Tyson between dumping Rooney and losing to Douglas would be very interesting and tough to predict.
Sorry but Holyfield is VERY overrated in my opinion
@HoldenDurham1 As for Lewis it's always an interest "What-if", because by the time Lewis they fought Tyson was clearly well past his best.
They never got to face each other when Mike was at his peak thanks to Tyson's incarceration and Lewis not being taken as seriously as he should've been. Lewis was definitely an underrated heavyweight in the early 1990's but I think he would've met Tyson if it wasn't for Tyson's incarceration.
Lewis was older than Tyson, I don't care about past their prime or whatever people say, it was an even fight. Tbh Tyson only lasted a couple of years in the 80s and that doesn't make him a good boxer. The reality is he didn't have the mental strength to beat fighters who weren't scared of him. Lewis gave Tyson the biggest battering he ever had and it wasn't even close.
@slannmage its not about theyre age, its who was in theyre prime, whether or not you care about it doesnt change the fact that tyson in his prime would have given lewis a far greater fight and maybe knocked him out. fuckin retard lol
@slannmage Yeah but Lewis didn't have Tyson's lay-off in prison. And besides, Tyson was really only after the payday after the disqualification second Holyfield bout, he got disillusioned with how Holyfield got away with headbutting and how the media hung him out to dry.
Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Tucker, Tubbs, Frank Bruno and Carl Williams (who IMHO was unlucky) all showed no fear of Tysonm and Tyson still convincingly beat them.
@truekiwijoker Got away with headbutting???? Those were unintentional unless you are blind. And what was biting Holyfield's ears off twice? Accidental ear chewing? You mentioned some of the worst examples of Tyson victories ever. How about Douglas, Holyfield 1, Lennox Lewis, and every other focused boxer that undressed Tyson?
Tyson was doomed from the moment a boxer with no fear showed up across the ring. He had only on gear,.. Forward. When that didn't work. He had "NOTHING" but a punch.
@Ghstwn Hahaha I'm not blind and I can see Holyfield headbutting was always deliberate, it was his big cheating tactic in his career. Exactly how do you "accidentally" headbutt someone shorter than you from below?
Tyson's heart wasn't in it anymore when he fought Lewis and he had an off-night against Buster.
And Berbick, Bonecrusher, Tubbs, Pinkelon, Carl Williams, Bruno and Holmes all showed no fear to Tyson and Tyson still beat them.
@Armando316 I think Mike would've won in 1996 if the ref had started properly penalising Holyfield for headbutting.
I agree, Tyson was amazing. Without any doubt the best Heavyweight in the last 30 years. I just shake my head at these naive people who refuse to acknowledge how amazing he was due to some bias against him they've adopted from buying all of this media spin and PR. Of course he's not really "tha baddest man on da planet", it was all just hype.
Oh yes I agree. He was for real. He had fighters SCARED to go into the ring with him because they knew they couldn't beat him. Against a prime Tyson, the only heavies I give a chance to beat him are young Cassius Clay, prime Joe Louis, prime Foreman, and possibly a prime Lewis. But I could see Mike beating them too. He would have iced both Klitschko brothers.
@truekiwijoker patterson , fist 2 time champ , the youngest undisputed champ , gold olympic champ , was diffrent era to tyson . but like all champs in them days he ducked no one . tyson beat a load of washed up bums and got beat by anyone good he came up against
@MrXavierization Tyson (convincingly) beat all of the credible contenders of the late 80's and that's a fact whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
They had to pull journeyman guys like Carl Williams and Buster Douglas out of nowhere because Tyson had already convincingly beaten the recognised contendors. Tucker, Berbick, Tubbs, Biggs all promising contendors who stood no show against Tyson.
Tyson was a heavier, harder punching Floyd Patterson but with better footwork.
He's a fucking asshole for letting the fight go on. Holmes was dropped 2 times and staggering before getting dropped for the third time by a young, energetic, powerful fighter.
Holmes would have probably won if the fight was 5 or 6 yrs earlier, Tyson really did struggle every time he fought a quality fighter, many of them were past their best. Both Klitschkos would have probably KO'd Tyson.
i know at 38 the energy level isn't there, but i was surprised Larry didn't use that long, heavy jab more often to keep some distance, keep Mike from getting into a rhythm, and to set up the right hand
And it's easy to say Tyson didn't tire during his prime because he knocking most people out in the first few rounds....And mostly scrubs I might add...
A prime Holmes would beat a prime Tyson....Take a look at the version of Holmes in the first fight with Shavers...During Tyson's prime who had a consistent STIFF jab and lateral movement?? NOBODY...Spinks was done before he set foot in the ring...He was scared of Tyson. Holmes jab would have puffed up Tyson's face...Only way Tyson wins is if he gets Holmes in the first 3-4 rounds...If he failed, he gets his butt kicked...
@dreman1970 Exactly like he did against lewis ,even though he was washed out then and lewis avioded tyson untill he was finished . But thats another story . A young holmes would have given tyson a boxing lesson .
Tyson would have felt better if Holmes had left the ring in a body bag. This was a beautiful way to destroy Larry Holmes' mouth and to make him pay for picking on an old man with Parkinson's disease in 1980.
@johntvette My comment was actually a little too crude, yes I apologize. But no, I love Ali and tyson, I think I was alive in '80 i would be pleading for Ali not to take that fight. I guess I don't really hate Larry either, ..he was actually afraid of Ali before the fight,..he knew Ali would have kicked his ass if he could.
Anyone see ESPN Ringside: The Best of Mike Tyson? Larry Holmes tried to claim that he got knocked out because his arm got caught in the ropes. LOL! What's funny about this is that it's actually true that Larry got his arm caught in the ropes. Check out 7:27 and you can see his right arm is caught. However, to suggest that THIS is why he was KO'd is just about the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard. Did Larry forget the previous two knockdowns? LOL! Larry, you funny, man. Really.
i thought holmes didn't look bad in the tyson fight.... he was keeping his distance, clinching at the right time, and timing him in spots. tyson still had to work hard for the victory. it's a good win for tyson even though larry wasn't in his prime.
Prime Holmes almost lost to green fighters like Renaldo Snipes, Tim Witherspoon and Bonecrusher Smith. He avoided Dokes, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page and Tony Tubbs. The dude was good, very good but he is being overrated these days; he wouldn't give anyone a rematch whenever they gave him a tough fight and largely fought poor opposition during his reign.
@tlig And for the most part that wasn't Holmes...that was the WBC...the IBF was a littke better....the WBC was garbage back then....Norton should have gotten an immediate rematch after losing the title by ONE POINT, but the WBC MADE Holmes fight Evangelista, then Ocasio...by then Norton got Ko'ed by Shavers
@dreman1970 I don't understand; are you saying the WBC was responsible for him facing poor opposition and almost getting KO'ed in the process? For your info, he only dropped the WBC title after the insisted he face Greg Page (who'd have beat him at that point). Holmes was a good fighter but also a ducker.
When Tyson fought Holyfield though he was not the same guy anymore... When Tyson was young he was ridiculously good... He lost heart soon after this... Cus died... fired all his trainers... personal life in shambles... jail time.. it's was over... He was never the same guy...
@ maffia440 both tyson and foreman were big punchers but tysons were more explosive, they both have power but tyson is 10times quicker then foreman and its the explosive punches that you dont see coming that knock you out
Not taking anything away from Tyson but Tyson caught Holmes on the downslope of a great career. Larry Holmes will go down as one the greats of boxing. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he did which is hang on to the title for over a decade.
@chrissline77 Larry was the much better fighter in his prime , he was 38 years old against a young tyson at his best . He said himself he only did it for the money and new that he couldnt beat tyson .He hadnt even spared for a year before taking the fight .
@MrXavierization and he won Muhammed Ali for the same reason, Muhammed Ali was too old and that shitty Holmes was young and he didnt even make Muhammed Ali fall...
@teegenedy Ali thought he could beat him though , Larry said himself he couldnt beat tyson and was doing it for the money . Ali didnt do it for the money ,he did it becuase he thought he could win . Ali at his best would have beat holmes but doubt he would have knocked him out . Tyson on the other hand would have got a painfull leason fron holmes at his best like he did against holyfield
@MrXavierization larry holmes deserved this hiding. He was a s old as ali was when a young larry holmes beat an aging ali in a onesided hiding. Ali was even worse off cos his parkinsons disease was already affecting his reflexes and clearly affecting his speech by that stage. Larry got his karma from a young tyson.
@MrXavierization well after this fight he won 6 in a row including a win over ray mercer. Following the mercer fight he lost to holyfield by only 4 rounds. So he wasn't completely done here. Prime no but not done either
@MrXavierization Holmes was crazy arrogant, i think he really thought he could beat Tyson. He talked about him like he wasnt the real deal before they fought
@cyenceMillenium He was arrogant as he always was but he said after the fight that he couldnt beat tyson and he new that he couldnt and latter on he said he only did it for the money as he was broke . Put them together at there very best and holmes would have won easy , maybe by knock out in the latter rounds .Holmes is rated as the 5th best heaveywieght of all time by ring magazine ,Tysons not even in the top ten .
@johntvette lol . Im a big boxing fan and a big tyson fan and he was a good fighter , But he isnt in the same league as foreman,holmes etc . He beat a load of washed up has beens and got knocked out by any good fighters that he thought, lewis ,holyfield etc . good but not great
Yeah Larry was good in his day... Very nice jab ... When Tyson was in his prime though forget it... Even in his prime Larry could not have beaten a young Mike Tyson... I don't think anyone could have..
@funkyflights Larrys jab is considered the best of any fighter ever , he was a big big man and tyson struggled against the big guys , lewis ,holyfield etc. At his very best holmes would have easy taken tysons best punch , ronaldo snipes and earnie shavers were both incredible punchers and holmes sucked up everything the both could throw at him and won both fights. The holmes in this fight hadnt even put on a pair of gloves for a year ,6 months before taking the tyson fight
Tyson was too fast and would a got in on Holmes with both men in there prime... Trust me I liked Holmes as a fighter and I agree his jab was butter.... But a young Tyson was too dam fast and strong and never backed up ... He would a beat Larry regardless... Larry was a great champion though ... loved his style... But Tyson in his prime was virtually unbeatable... He never tired in his youth and he just kept coming at ya...
@funkyflights Earnie shavers was a way more powefull puncher than tyson and a young holmes took everytjing he could throw at him . Holmes is highly regarded as one of the top 5 heavey wieghts of all time by nearly any boxing expert and tysons not even top ten material . Next you be saying he could have beat foreman when the truth is he was shit scared of a 40 year old foreman and refused to fight him in the early 1990's. Tyson would have never gone the distance with a young holmes his boxing
@MrXavierization was way better than tysons and history proves that , tyson lost every fight he had against good boxers , lewis ,holyfield etc . tyson was a fighter not a boxer and when things didnt go his was he lost the plot.
Tyson had more power and speed than any heavyweight in history in his small window where he was focused and on the right path.... Problem with Tyson is he couldn't handle the fame and fortune ... NO ONE would a beat Tyson at the sport of boxing the night he beat Spinx.... NO ONE... That Tyson never tired.. That Tyson had more speed than any heavyweights I"ve watched... That Tyson never backed up and got in on you and you were DONE....
@funkyflights Spinx was never a heavywieght and was finished before he got in the ring . tyson is vastly overated and not even in the top ten of all time champs . Holmes is
Holmes was a good fighter.... But he wouldn't have lasted with a young Mike Tyson... NO one would have.... He was too hungry and too fast and strong for any heavy weight... His prime was a small window because of his mental problems but I think it's easy to forget just how good he was in his younger day's... go watch the tapes ... NO ONE had his power or speed and his elusive style...
@funkyflights No one . lol . you obviously know little about boxing to make such a silly stament . He was a good fighter not a great . wouldnt have beat ali , foreman , fraizer ,liston , didnt beat lewis , holyfield . nuff said . He was a fighter that didnt know how to box , his style was to knock out his man as quick as possible , when that didnt happen he got a boxing lesson . his style is based on sonny listons style and i doubt he would have beat him in his prime either
@funkyflights Also when tyson was in his prime he refused to fight a 40 year old foreman . Run scared of him , becuase he new that he couldnt beat him . Foreman would have beat tyson at 40 years old and a young foreman would have smashed tyson all over the place . Tyson couldnt fight big men , he struggled againt all the big ( tall ) fighters he boxed . And got smashed by the good fighters
Please.... Tyson would a destroyed Foreman.... Dude go look at the old Tyson tapes and think clearly.... Forman didn't have the speed and Tyson would a knocked him around with ease... I like Foreman but it would a been ugly...
@funkyflights Ha ha ha ha , Foreman was a big big man and powerfull , Tyson struggled against big men . Oh and refused to fight a 40 year old foreman ffs . You no nothing about boxing , read up the history tyson was shit scared of foreman . fact
@Misica11000 You know shit thinking tyson could beat anyone in history , that statment there proves you know fuck all ..... Tyson wouldnt have beat foreman,ali,fraizer, or holmes in his prime Tyson thought washed up bums , just take a look at his record on wikipidea And couldnt beat lewis and got a beating against holyfield who isnt even a proper heavywieght . read up ur history kid
@Misica11000 ‘The Greatest’, Muhammad Ali recently paid tribute to Lewis’ excellence. Ali was with Lewis at a Canadian Football League ceremony to celebrate Lewis’ KO of Tyson. “I’m here because I was the greatest,” he told an ecstatic crowd in Toronto. “I’m now no longer the greatest. He’s the greatest, he’s the champ,” he said, pointing to Lennox Lewis....... what a dick you are
@Misica11000 Admit your wrong you numpty . You know fuck all about boxing if you think tyson is the best ever . Ill send you the link so you can read ali's interview . You will probrably still come here and talk shit .
@MrXavierization Go fuck yourself hater,your talk is unrealistic.When he knock out Holmes,Holmes wasnt in his prime,but when Lewis knock out Tyson,then no matter why Tyson wasnt in his prime,you are just Tyson hater,nothing more...
What Ali said was "If he caught me, he could have taken me out, but I was pretty fast", hardly a clear "he'd beat me" statement.
As for Ali being taken out, he went dozens of rounds with Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Shavers, Williams etc....there's no way in hell Mike would take him out.
Mike couldn't take out Green, Tillis, Tucker, Smith, Douglas, Williams, and McBride....and we all know how it went with Lewis and Holyfield.
@CoronaJoe I cant believe how many haters exist.Tyson,the youngest heavyweight champions ever,the guy who finished fights in two rounds,the guy with amazing speed and the most powerfull punch ever in history of boxing,are we talking about same guy?
@truekiwijoker he was at the peak of his game regardless of personal issues . He struggled against big men who werent affraid of him . Tyson bottled it against all the good fighters and rooney always said he new tyson would struggle against big powerfull guys , why do you think he refused the foreman fight .
@MrXavierization If you have personal issues, you're not going to be at the peak of your game. You're not going to be focused and you're probably not going to train properly.
He hammered good fighters bigger and more powerful like Spinks and Bruno and Holmes. Holyfield (not as good as the aforementioned three) cheated against Tyson.
He never got the chance to fight George Foreman, because Foreman came to the fore again while Tyson was in prison. Foreman would've been too slow.
@truekiwijoker Bruno was crap , spinks was always going to get a hiding from tyson he wasnt even a proper heavywieght , Foreman would have been a punch bag but tyson was scared of that man and said so himself. Holyfield gave tyson a beating he didnt cheat
I don't see headbutting allowed anywhere in the Queensberry rules. So if Holyfield kept on headbutting and if you think that wasn't cheating, then what do you call it?
And if Bruno was crap, then what do you call Holyfield? because Bruno was clearly a better boxer than Holyfiled ever was. Quicker, better (legal) technique, more accurate and he had the best jab of the heavyweights of his time.
@MrXavierization So having the fight cancelled is a "proper beating" now?
Tyson SOMETIMES struck his opponents with his elbow when they bunched up. It was accidental and a result of the "peek-a-boo" technique he was trained on. Floyd Patterson had the same problem and so did Kevin Rooney.
There was nothing accidental about Holyfield's headbutting.
@MrXavierization I've watched it many times and still remember watching it the first time. Holyfield gave Tyson a BUTTING in both fights.
Won't deny Holyfiled did fight a great fight in the latter rounds of the first encounter though, possibly his best ever performance. But even that was made much easier by his earlier cheating which cut Tyson's eye socket.
Tyson barely scrapes into the top 10 of all time at heavyweight...if you include all weight divisions (pound for pound), Mike is nowhere near the top 35-40! He'd be the first to tell you this, as he has been quoted as saying he'd lose to Ali, Lewis (at any point) and a younger Holmes.
Any "expert" who says Mike is the best fighter ever should be scrubbing toilets for a living. Please provide a link to even ONE expert who thinks Mike is #1.
@funkyflights tyson refused to fight a 40 year old foreman ffs , go look at foremans record now on wikipedia . only knocked out by ali . beat some really great champs along the way . Who the fuck has tyson beat apart from old washed out guys ? .... tyson isnt a great nearly every boxing expert in the world says he isnt even top ten of all time , but some twat like yourself on youtube thinks otherwise . twat
@funkyflights Your talking plain shit . You know nothing about boxing to make such silly statments . Anyone with a little boxing knowledge knows that tyson isnt even in the top ten heavywieghts and not even in the top 20 fighters of all time . Now go play in the road like a good kid..
Dude your clueless about the fight game.... Your judging Tyson from his overall career and how he fell off so quickly... I'm pointing out the monster he was for a short time before he fell off track... During is small window no boxer in history could a stood in that ring with his speed and power.... He was too much... Mentally he couldn't handle life and it killed his discipline and desire... Now YOU GO run along...
@truekiwijoker pound for pound i would say my top ten would be
1.ray robinson 2 .joe lewis 3. ali . 4. roberto duran 5. rocky marciano 6.gene tuney 7. ray leanord 8.archie moore,
My best ten . i know there are some other greats like jack johnson .willie pep etc , but i havent seen enough of them to comment on there skill The fighters above i have watched thousands of hours of fights and see a few fight live( ray lenoard , duran )
@truekiwijoker Jake lamotta was a great fighter ,first to beat robinson and a proper champ . You no fuck all about boxing . pound for pound hes probrably in most experts top 20
@MrXavierization I'm not disputing Lamotta was a great fighter and a genuine contender.
But there is no way he'd be in any credible top 20. He only won his title because his opponent suffered a serious joint injury. He defended it against bums and then got taken apart by Robinson.
He only makes bogus lists for mass consumption because of that film raging bull. In a genuine list he'd probably make the top 100 but no way the top 20.
@truekiwijoker I have never actually seen that film ,not a tv/film fan to be honest .You may disagree but hey aint that what the internet is for . As for the rest you cant argue really
It doesn't surprise me you haven't seen that film, it's not much about LaMotta's boxing but about his personality disorders and how he was in bed with the mob.
But of course if it wasn't for that film he'd have been forgotten about and joke UK tabloid journo's wouldn't be including him in their all-time top 20 list.
@truekiwijoker Yep i used to box as a kid and then took up kick boxing ,and ring magazine rates lamotta in there top 20 pound for pound so he aint all that bad , watch him box ,proper warrior
Just give it up and buy yourself a packet of "crisps" and run along back to your council estate. It's clear you've got a silly bias against Tyson from reading British tabloid newspapers. You obviously don't have the first clue about boxing or Mike Tyson (which is amusing considering how often you've leveled tat out-of-the-blue at everyone else).
C'mon show me the experts that don't rate Tony Tucker, Frank Bruno or the very wasted talent of Tyrell Biggs. Or who think Tyson wasn't in the top 20. Or who think Lamotta was ahead of Tyson. Or who think todays boxers are in the same league as Tyson and the other 80's contenders.
C'mon name these experts and their credentials. Shouldn't be too hard for someone so *cough* educated.
I don't think anyone could have beaten a 22 year old Tyson
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Tyson was a beast. In a fight whenever he decided to turn it up, it was all over.
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Mike was really scary in his early 20's. Great head movement, effective jab and quick. What made him effective was he did all the little things perfectly. He lost all of that when he left Kevin Rooney as his trainer. It was discipline which made him great. Unfortunately it all fell apart when Mike had nobody to tell him no later in his career. Darn shame too. He was great.
andrewr62 2 days ago
I kinda respect Holmes he was playing it safe Than got out of his comfort zone and fought like a champ
HabibiGone 3 days ago
Mike Tyson was a beast in his prime
Kingdreamerful 4 days ago
Tyson in the late 80s could have beaten anyone, past or present.
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@JOEPHPS Uhhhh - no
polytide51 2 days ago
Tyson would have destroyed Wladimir, but I don't know about Vitali. Wladi is a counter puncher and you can't counterpunch against Tyson... Tyson would have destroyed Ali in his prime, he would have beaten Louis too. Probly Foreman would have beat Tyson, but that's all...
EvilHenchman10 1 week ago
You are out of your mind if you think that Tyson would ice both Klitschko bros. Tyson can't hang with them all 12. If he don't get nothing in first 5 rounds he's as good as dead.
markviiiguy1 1 week ago
@markviiiguy1 Haaaaaaaaa Ha ha ha , if Tyson was his young self, only George Foreman cud hav beat him. klitschko's, that's hilarious.
The24KaratBlack 5 days ago
Amusing! Nobody ever talks about any other fighters personal problems, management team or focus - only ever Tysons!
Panthera0nca 1 week ago
BEAST!
itsinsanity1 1 week ago
Tyson was who he was to bad we never got to see how great he really could of been.
sguerrera59 1 week ago
@sguerrera59 Umm,... Look into punctuation before posting again. Your posting simply reads as if you are an infant who happened to crawl up to Mommie's keyboard and tap away. ;) Also, We did get to see how good Tyson could have been. And he got there by fighting the worst decade of heavyweights ever than he should have. Yeah,.. he could punch. And that was all. Plus he really promoted the sport with his wonderful character, style, cultured manner, and intelligent press. LOL!
Ghstwn 1 week ago
He beat the living hell out of Holmes!!!!
desamania 2 weeks ago
Este era el mejor momento de Tyson, 22 años.. si comparamos el mejor momento de Ali (cuando venció a Sunny Liston que tenia 22 años)... seria una comparación mas justa.. y creo que Tyson hubiese durado 15 asaltos tratando de conectar un golpe para k.o. Sencillamente no hubiese podido pegarle a Ali... nadie podía pegarle a Ali en ese momento. Ali hubiese vencido por decisión unánime.
PelaeZCH 2 weeks ago
Holmes no era ni la sombra de lo que fue cuando peleo con Tyson,el acepto la pelea unicamente por el buen dinero que le ofrecio Don King,en su mejor momento le habria hecho la noche larga a Tyson,mucha gente vio este KO como venganza por la paliza que el le dio a Ali.
julius5551 2 weeks ago
Bueno, viendo este combate, yo no se como Larry Holmes se atrevió a criticar y a compararse con Ali,cuando aqui no se la pudo con Tyson que era mucho menos que Frasier. Ali es y será el mejor boxeador de todos los tiempos y nadie, absolutamente nadie lo noqueó. Mas que mediocre y una mala copia de Aly era este Holmes, bien merecida la palisa recibida por bocón
dropduff 3 weeks ago
@dropduff menos que frasier... que perspectiva...
charlysrun2 2 weeks ago
@dropduff 1° holmes aca ya estaba mayorsito 2° tyson en un pibe con toda la fuerza y 3° fraiser no tenia tanta potencia como tyson, en sintesis no discuto que ali sea el mejor, pero si vists las peleas de fraiser vs ali habras visto q casius recibio varias manos netas! t pensas q hubiera tolerado asi a tyson?tdo el q boxeo cn M.T. dijo q tenia una pegada inhumana, Ali ubiese perdido, y no digas q tyson no tiene mandibula ni defensa hay videos q prueban lo contrario irrefutablement
charlysrun2 2 weeks ago
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@charlysrun2 Este era el mejor momento de Tyson, 22 años.. si comparamos el mejor momento de Ali (cuando venció a Sunny Liston que tenia 22 años)... seria una comparación mas justa.. y creo que Tyson hubiese durado 15 asaltos tratando de conectar un golpe para k.o. Sencillamente no hubiese podido pegarle a Ali... nadie podía pegarle a Ali en ese momento. Ali hubiese vencido por decisión unánime.
PelaeZCH 2 weeks ago
Great!!! that was for Ali......lmao....lol
ederrick987 3 weeks ago
Er, Holyfield did beat Tyson twice and comfortably. Simple as that. There may have been butts, Cus may have died, Tyson was past his prime and had been to prison for 4 years but that's the reality. He lost. We'll never really know how good Tyson was or could have been because his prime lasted about two years and in that time he never fought anyone that could fight back. I'm trying to think of Tyson's best opponent that he didn't lose to... Maybe Spinks? Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher Smith... Who?
MrBbuds 3 weeks ago
@MrBbuds tyson was deadly i his prime he also beat homes as seen here, trevor berbick and spinks in 90 seconds
irishrepublican756 3 weeks ago
@MrBbuds marcus fraizer 2
irishrepublican756 3 weeks ago
Tucker, Berbick, Tubbs, Biggs hah ha ha ha ha these guys were pure crap even by todays standards.
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
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truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
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@MrXavierization Well, you think that Lamotta would make a top 20 (ahead of Tyson hahahaha) and that Holyfield didn't cheat by headbutting and that Bruno was crap so... ...sadly your opinion doesn't hold much credence.
These guys were genuine contenders in the 80's which had much higher standards than what's on offer today, especially in the heavyweight division with the Klitschko's and David Haye.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
ref should have stopped this earlier. if this was now it would have been stopped after the second knock down if not the first
LionelWitchieWardrob 3 weeks ago
Tyson was a great fighter at his peak but even at his peak Ali, Lewis, and a peak Holyfield would've still beaten him. Great exciting fighter but not in my top 8 heavyweights for definate.
HoldenDurham1 3 weeks ago
@HoldenDurham1 I'm a Tyson fan and I agree that Mike probably wouldn't make the top 8 or even top 10. But I can't see him left out of the top 20.
I think he'd be a good match for Ali. Tyson before Dumping Rooney would've knocked Ali out, and Post-Prison Tyson would probably be beaten by Ali (unless it was after Ali's own lay-off). Tyson between dumping Rooney and losing to Douglas would be very interesting and tough to predict.
Sorry but Holyfield is VERY overrated in my opinion
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@HoldenDurham1 As for Lewis it's always an interest "What-if", because by the time Lewis they fought Tyson was clearly well past his best.
They never got to face each other when Mike was at his peak thanks to Tyson's incarceration and Lewis not being taken as seriously as he should've been. Lewis was definitely an underrated heavyweight in the early 1990's but I think he would've met Tyson if it wasn't for Tyson's incarceration.
It would've been a great bout.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker
Lewis was older than Tyson, I don't care about past their prime or whatever people say, it was an even fight. Tbh Tyson only lasted a couple of years in the 80s and that doesn't make him a good boxer. The reality is he didn't have the mental strength to beat fighters who weren't scared of him. Lewis gave Tyson the biggest battering he ever had and it wasn't even close.
slannmage 2 weeks ago
@slannmage its not about theyre age, its who was in theyre prime, whether or not you care about it doesnt change the fact that tyson in his prime would have given lewis a far greater fight and maybe knocked him out. fuckin retard lol
noszondi 2 weeks ago
@slannmage Yeah but Lewis didn't have Tyson's lay-off in prison. And besides, Tyson was really only after the payday after the disqualification second Holyfield bout, he got disillusioned with how Holyfield got away with headbutting and how the media hung him out to dry.
Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Tucker, Tubbs, Frank Bruno and Carl Williams (who IMHO was unlucky) all showed no fear of Tysonm and Tyson still convincingly beat them.
Tyson was on top between 1986 and 1992.
truekiwijoker 2 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker Got away with headbutting???? Those were unintentional unless you are blind. And what was biting Holyfield's ears off twice? Accidental ear chewing? You mentioned some of the worst examples of Tyson victories ever. How about Douglas, Holyfield 1, Lennox Lewis, and every other focused boxer that undressed Tyson?
Tyson was doomed from the moment a boxer with no fear showed up across the ring. He had only on gear,.. Forward. When that didn't work. He had "NOTHING" but a punch.
Fact
Ghstwn 1 week ago
@Ghstwn Hahaha I'm not blind and I can see Holyfield headbutting was always deliberate, it was his big cheating tactic in his career. Exactly how do you "accidentally" headbutt someone shorter than you from below?
Tyson's heart wasn't in it anymore when he fought Lewis and he had an off-night against Buster.
And Berbick, Bonecrusher, Tubbs, Pinkelon, Carl Williams, Bruno and Holmes all showed no fear to Tyson and Tyson still beat them.
Tyson had one of the best techniques of any champ
truekiwijoker 1 week ago
@truekiwijoker Tyson was amazing. I think Holyfield caught him at the right time. Had the fight happened in 92, Mike would have won.
Armando316 1 week ago
@Armando316 I think Mike would've won in 1996 if the ref had started properly penalising Holyfield for headbutting.
I agree, Tyson was amazing. Without any doubt the best Heavyweight in the last 30 years. I just shake my head at these naive people who refuse to acknowledge how amazing he was due to some bias against him they've adopted from buying all of this media spin and PR. Of course he's not really "tha baddest man on da planet", it was all just hype.
truekiwijoker 1 week ago
Oh yes I agree. He was for real. He had fighters SCARED to go into the ring with him because they knew they couldn't beat him. Against a prime Tyson, the only heavies I give a chance to beat him are young Cassius Clay, prime Joe Louis, prime Foreman, and possibly a prime Lewis. But I could see Mike beating them too. He would have iced both Klitschko brothers.
Armando316 1 week ago
@Armando316 Possibly lewis but could ice the Klitchkos?? (Trying to hold back a huge burst of laughter)
BiggieSmalls11111 1 week ago
@slannmage just think if one of the Klitschko brothers got their hands on little Mikey Tythen and his lisp...muhahahahahaaaaaa
AntiFeminaziMale 1 week ago
@AntiFeminaziMale Troll
TheTibbert 1 week ago
Hahaha Floyd Patterson would've been flattered you'd put him ahead of Tyson.
I doubt he'd have shared your opinion though. I'm pretty sure he said Tyson was the boxer he wanted to be.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker patterson , fist 2 time champ , the youngest undisputed champ , gold olympic champ , was diffrent era to tyson . but like all champs in them days he ducked no one . tyson beat a load of washed up bums and got beat by anyone good he came up against
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Tyson (convincingly) beat all of the credible contenders of the late 80's and that's a fact whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
They had to pull journeyman guys like Carl Williams and Buster Douglas out of nowhere because Tyson had already convincingly beaten the recognised contendors. Tucker, Berbick, Tubbs, Biggs all promising contendors who stood no show against Tyson.
Tyson was a heavier, harder punching Floyd Patterson but with better footwork.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
Is the referee STUPID?
He's a fucking asshole for letting the fight go on. Holmes was dropped 2 times and staggering before getting dropped for the third time by a young, energetic, powerful fighter.
79Testo 3 weeks ago
Holmes would have probably won if the fight was 5 or 6 yrs earlier, Tyson really did struggle every time he fought a quality fighter, many of them were past their best. Both Klitschkos would have probably KO'd Tyson.
unseenocean 4 weeks ago
i know at 38 the energy level isn't there, but i was surprised Larry didn't use that long, heavy jab more often to keep some distance, keep Mike from getting into a rhythm, and to set up the right hand
zulubro 1 month ago
And it's easy to say Tyson didn't tire during his prime because he knocking most people out in the first few rounds....And mostly scrubs I might add...
dreman1970 1 month ago
A prime Holmes would beat a prime Tyson....Take a look at the version of Holmes in the first fight with Shavers...During Tyson's prime who had a consistent STIFF jab and lateral movement?? NOBODY...Spinks was done before he set foot in the ring...He was scared of Tyson. Holmes jab would have puffed up Tyson's face...Only way Tyson wins is if he gets Holmes in the first 3-4 rounds...If he failed, he gets his butt kicked...
dreman1970 1 month ago 2
@dreman1970 Exactly like he did against lewis ,even though he was washed out then and lewis avioded tyson untill he was finished . But thats another story . A young holmes would have given tyson a boxing lesson .
MrXavierization 1 month ago
THUMBS UP IF U LIKE SEEING HOLMES GETING K,O BY TYSON CUZ HE BEAT UP A OLD ALI
jerrygormanNO1 1 month ago
Tyson would have felt better if Holmes had left the ring in a body bag. This was a beautiful way to destroy Larry Holmes' mouth and to make him pay for picking on an old man with Parkinson's disease in 1980.
IASOU2005 1 month ago
@IASOU2005 You are an idiot. It was people like you who demanded that Larry fight Ali.
johntvette 1 month ago
@johntvette My comment was actually a little too crude, yes I apologize. But no, I love Ali and tyson, I think I was alive in '80 i would be pleading for Ali not to take that fight. I guess I don't really hate Larry either, ..he was actually afraid of Ali before the fight,..he knew Ali would have kicked his ass if he could.
IASOU2005 1 month ago
Stupid ref should have ended it much quicker. this is how fighters get permanently, injured.
tonyfressola 1 month ago
Anyone see ESPN Ringside: The Best of Mike Tyson? Larry Holmes tried to claim that he got knocked out because his arm got caught in the ropes. LOL! What's funny about this is that it's actually true that Larry got his arm caught in the ropes. Check out 7:27 and you can see his right arm is caught. However, to suggest that THIS is why he was KO'd is just about the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard. Did Larry forget the previous two knockdowns? LOL! Larry, you funny, man. Really.
LedWhisky69 1 month ago
Boxing needs another heavyweight like Tyson.
jokebooks 1 month ago
i thought holmes didn't look bad in the tyson fight.... he was keeping his distance, clinching at the right time, and timing him in spots. tyson still had to work hard for the victory. it's a good win for tyson even though larry wasn't in his prime.
loryudaman1 1 month ago
Prime Holmes almost lost to green fighters like Renaldo Snipes, Tim Witherspoon and Bonecrusher Smith. He avoided Dokes, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page and Tony Tubbs. The dude was good, very good but he is being overrated these days; he wouldn't give anyone a rematch whenever they gave him a tough fight and largely fought poor opposition during his reign.
tlig 1 month ago
@tlig And for the most part that wasn't Holmes...that was the WBC...the IBF was a littke better....the WBC was garbage back then....Norton should have gotten an immediate rematch after losing the title by ONE POINT, but the WBC MADE Holmes fight Evangelista, then Ocasio...by then Norton got Ko'ed by Shavers
dreman1970 1 month ago
@dreman1970 I don't understand; are you saying the WBC was responsible for him facing poor opposition and almost getting KO'ed in the process? For your info, he only dropped the WBC title after the insisted he face Greg Page (who'd have beat him at that point). Holmes was a good fighter but also a ducker.
tlig 1 month ago
To all who are thinking Tyson could beat Foreman. Go and watch the Fight between old Foreman and the prime very strong Holyfield! btw I love Tyson ;)
Will84ABA 1 month ago
@Will84ABA
Prime Holyfield went the distance with very old Holmes..
dbreiden83080 1 month ago
@Will84ABA
When Tyson fought Holyfield though he was not the same guy anymore... When Tyson was young he was ridiculously good... He lost heart soon after this... Cus died... fired all his trainers... personal life in shambles... jail time.. it's was over... He was never the same guy...
funkyflights 1 month ago
Foreman had bigger and longer arms than tyson, you just cant compare big and small when it comes to power
whanaublood 1 month ago
A young(er) Larry showed up in that last round, if only in a flash. It've been a great fight, prime for prime.
cet0708 1 month ago
The fight was unfair
tyson was young and in his prime
holmes was 38 already
you just cant compete with the 22 years old guys who constantly train, have no family to feed, and are in physical peak shape...
shevegen 1 month ago
I'm glad Mike beat him that bad. Larry, unfortunately held the title for 7/8 yrs as the HC of all slobs when Ali let him.
salsamaster1967 1 month ago
why didnt larry stay on his toes? he landed about 5 jabs in about 7 or 8 seconds..
daniel25001 1 month ago
@ maffia440 both tyson and foreman were big punchers but tysons were more explosive, they both have power but tyson is 10times quicker then foreman and its the explosive punches that you dont see coming that knock you out
QASSAQQAS 1 month ago
@QASSAQQAS Tyson would have never beat foreman in his prime ,Tyson was even scared of a 40 year old foreman and run scared of him in the early 90's .
MrXavierization 1 month ago
He would have survived the round if his arm didn't get caught n the ropes
PascalsWager5 1 month ago
mike tyson looked like shit ,this was a bad day ,a shit fight ,liver full of booze and cocain ,he shoulda beat him first round
sledtobed 1 month ago
wow
abcman 1 month ago
It is unfortunate to see an old great fighter fed to a young lion like Tyson. Makes me feel sad.
MrMike3865 1 month ago
@MrMike3865 Holmes did the same thing to Ali......Karma.
SBJLR 1 month ago
who else searched this because u saw hangover?
KillertheK 1 month ago
Larry was shot, Prime Holmes in my opinion beats Tyson.
OfficialMattprc 1 month ago
Ah the 80's rape charges couldn't stop Tyson that decade.
Andros1921 1 month ago
Not taking anything away from Tyson but Tyson caught Holmes on the downslope of a great career. Larry Holmes will go down as one the greats of boxing. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he did which is hang on to the title for over a decade.
jormar6 2 months ago
Mike Tyson=Total Killer. Quad Damage :-() !
LOGOS1987TH 2 months ago
That was a beautiful knock out.
chrissline77 2 months ago
Tyson was simply a kller.
TAZ10766 2 months ago
Larry at his best would have beat tyson easy .
MrXavierization 2 months ago
@MrXavierization ..YOU ARE CRAZY
chrissline77 1 month ago
@chrissline77 Larry was the much better fighter in his prime , he was 38 years old against a young tyson at his best . He said himself he only did it for the money and new that he couldnt beat tyson .He hadnt even spared for a year before taking the fight .
MrXavierization 1 month ago 10
@MrXavierization and he won Muhammed Ali for the same reason, Muhammed Ali was too old and that shitty Holmes was young and he didnt even make Muhammed Ali fall...
teegenedy 1 month ago
@teegenedy Ali thought he could beat him though , Larry said himself he couldnt beat tyson and was doing it for the money . Ali didnt do it for the money ,he did it becuase he thought he could win . Ali at his best would have beat holmes but doubt he would have knocked him out . Tyson on the other hand would have got a painfull leason fron holmes at his best like he did against holyfield
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization larry holmes deserved this hiding. He was a s old as ali was when a young larry holmes beat an aging ali in a onesided hiding. Ali was even worse off cos his parkinsons disease was already affecting his reflexes and clearly affecting his speech by that stage. Larry got his karma from a young tyson.
tuaman21 1 month ago
@MrXavierization well after this fight he won 6 in a row including a win over ray mercer. Following the mercer fight he lost to holyfield by only 4 rounds. So he wasn't completely done here. Prime no but not done either
cpaignboxing 1 month ago
@MrXavierization Holmes was crazy arrogant, i think he really thought he could beat Tyson. He talked about him like he wasnt the real deal before they fought
cyenceMillenium 1 month ago
@cyenceMillenium He was arrogant as he always was but he said after the fight that he couldnt beat tyson and he new that he couldnt and latter on he said he only did it for the money as he was broke . Put them together at there very best and holmes would have won easy , maybe by knock out in the latter rounds .Holmes is rated as the 5th best heaveywieght of all time by ring magazine ,Tysons not even in the top ten .
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization There goes another one trying to confuse the Tyson fans with logic and reality. Don't waste your time.
johntvette 1 month ago
@johntvette lol . Im a big boxing fan and a big tyson fan and he was a good fighter , But he isnt in the same league as foreman,holmes etc . He beat a load of washed up has beens and got knocked out by any good fighters that he thought, lewis ,holyfield etc . good but not great
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization With Holyfield he was out his shape,and with Lewis,i mean camon,that was way of his glory days,so you cant count that...
Misica11000 1 month ago
@Misica11000 Name a good heavey wieght fighter at the top of his game that tyson beat ...... mmmm nope thought not.
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization Michael Spinks,Frank Bruno, James Smith,Tony Tucker plus amazing speed,skills and punches...
Misica11000 1 month ago
@Misica11000 Spinks was never a heavywieght , bruno ,tucker and smith ? dont make me laugh.
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization
Yeah Larry was good in his day... Very nice jab ... When Tyson was in his prime though forget it... Even in his prime Larry could not have beaten a young Mike Tyson... I don't think anyone could have..
funkyflights 1 month ago
@funkyflights And you base this on what? You are talking about unproven potential, which is just another word for failure.
johntvette 1 month ago
@johntvette
He didn't fail he succeeded ... He showed clearly his potential... It was just a short stint before he fell off track....
funkyflights 1 month ago
@funkyflights Larrys jab is considered the best of any fighter ever , he was a big big man and tyson struggled against the big guys , lewis ,holyfield etc. At his very best holmes would have easy taken tysons best punch , ronaldo snipes and earnie shavers were both incredible punchers and holmes sucked up everything the both could throw at him and won both fights. The holmes in this fight hadnt even put on a pair of gloves for a year ,6 months before taking the tyson fight
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization
Tyson was too fast and would a got in on Holmes with both men in there prime... Trust me I liked Holmes as a fighter and I agree his jab was butter.... But a young Tyson was too dam fast and strong and never backed up ... He would a beat Larry regardless... Larry was a great champion though ... loved his style... But Tyson in his prime was virtually unbeatable... He never tired in his youth and he just kept coming at ya...
funkyflights 1 month ago
@funkyflights Earnie shavers was a way more powefull puncher than tyson and a young holmes took everytjing he could throw at him . Holmes is highly regarded as one of the top 5 heavey wieghts of all time by nearly any boxing expert and tysons not even top ten material . Next you be saying he could have beat foreman when the truth is he was shit scared of a 40 year old foreman and refused to fight him in the early 1990's. Tyson would have never gone the distance with a young holmes his boxing
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization was way better than tysons and history proves that , tyson lost every fight he had against good boxers , lewis ,holyfield etc . tyson was a fighter not a boxer and when things didnt go his was he lost the plot.
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization
Tyson had more power and speed than any heavyweight in history in his small window where he was focused and on the right path.... Problem with Tyson is he couldn't handle the fame and fortune ... NO ONE would a beat Tyson at the sport of boxing the night he beat Spinx.... NO ONE... That Tyson never tired.. That Tyson had more speed than any heavyweights I"ve watched... That Tyson never backed up and got in on you and you were DONE....
funkyflights 1 month ago
@funkyflights Spinx was never a heavywieght and was finished before he got in the ring . tyson is vastly overated and not even in the top ten of all time champs . Holmes is
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization
Holmes was a good fighter.... But he wouldn't have lasted with a young Mike Tyson... NO one would have.... He was too hungry and too fast and strong for any heavy weight... His prime was a small window because of his mental problems but I think it's easy to forget just how good he was in his younger day's... go watch the tapes ... NO ONE had his power or speed and his elusive style...
funkyflights 1 month ago
@funkyflights No one . lol . you obviously know little about boxing to make such a silly stament . He was a good fighter not a great . wouldnt have beat ali , foreman , fraizer ,liston , didnt beat lewis , holyfield . nuff said . He was a fighter that didnt know how to box , his style was to knock out his man as quick as possible , when that didnt happen he got a boxing lesson . his style is based on sonny listons style and i doubt he would have beat him in his prime either
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@funkyflights Also when tyson was in his prime he refused to fight a 40 year old foreman . Run scared of him , becuase he new that he couldnt beat him . Foreman would have beat tyson at 40 years old and a young foreman would have smashed tyson all over the place . Tyson couldnt fight big men , he struggled againt all the big ( tall ) fighters he boxed . And got smashed by the good fighters
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization
Please.... Tyson would a destroyed Foreman.... Dude go look at the old Tyson tapes and think clearly.... Forman didn't have the speed and Tyson would a knocked him around with ease... I like Foreman but it would a been ugly...
funkyflights 1 month ago
@funkyflights Ha ha ha ha , Foreman was a big big man and powerfull , Tyson struggled against big men . Oh and refused to fight a 40 year old foreman ffs . You no nothing about boxing , read up the history tyson was shit scared of foreman . fact
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization You dont know shit about boxing if you think that...
Misica11000 1 month ago
@Misica11000 You know shit thinking tyson could beat anyone in history , that statment there proves you know fuck all ..... Tyson wouldnt have beat foreman,ali,fraizer, or holmes in his prime Tyson thought washed up bums , just take a look at his record on wikipidea And couldnt beat lewis and got a beating against holyfield who isnt even a proper heavywieght . read up ur history kid
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization If say that,then Lewis would never beat Tyson in his prime...
Misica11000 1 month ago
@Misica11000 Lewis is up there with the best , he would have beat tyson anytime .
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization I dont think so...
Misica11000 4 weeks ago
@Misica11000 thousands of boxing experts do .
MrXavierization 4 weeks ago
@MrXavierization I know a thousand boxer expert who think that Tyson is the best boxer of all time...
Misica11000 4 weeks ago
@Misica11000 PMPL like who ??? You are talking plain shit now .
MrXavierization 4 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Like Muhamed Ali dumbass...
Misica11000 4 weeks ago
@Misica11000 ‘The Greatest’, Muhammad Ali recently paid tribute to Lewis’ excellence. Ali was with Lewis at a Canadian Football League ceremony to celebrate Lewis’ KO of Tyson. “I’m here because I was the greatest,” he told an ecstatic crowd in Toronto. “I’m now no longer the greatest. He’s the greatest, he’s the champ,” he said, pointing to Lennox Lewis....... what a dick you are
MrXavierization 4 weeks ago
@MrXavierization When you start to falow boxing,last year?I mean on talk show with Ali and Tyson 1989,you stupid young dumbass...
Misica11000 4 weeks ago
@Misica11000 Admit your wrong you numpty . You know fuck all about boxing if you think tyson is the best ever . Ill send you the link so you can read ali's interview . You will probrably still come here and talk shit .
MrXavierization 4 weeks ago
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Misica11000 3 weeks ago
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@MrXavierization Go fuck yourself hater,your talk is unrealistic.When he knock out Holmes,Holmes wasnt in his prime,but when Lewis knock out Tyson,then no matter why Tyson wasnt in his prime,you are just Tyson hater,nothing more...
Misica11000 3 weeks ago
What Ali said was "If he caught me, he could have taken me out, but I was pretty fast", hardly a clear "he'd beat me" statement.
As for Ali being taken out, he went dozens of rounds with Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Shavers, Williams etc....there's no way in hell Mike would take him out.
Mike couldn't take out Green, Tillis, Tucker, Smith, Douglas, Williams, and McBride....and we all know how it went with Lewis and Holyfield.
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
@CoronaJoe I cant believe how many haters exist.Tyson,the youngest heavyweight champions ever,the guy who finished fights in two rounds,the guy with amazing speed and the most powerfull punch ever in history of boxing,are we talking about same guy?
Misica11000 3 weeks ago
@CoronaJoe Tyson was well past his best when he fought Lewis. And Holyfield cheated by headbutting Tyson repeatedly.
I think Tyson in his Kevin Rooney-trained prime would've beaten Ali. But Ali would've beaten post-prison Tyson.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker tyson was at his very best when he got smashed bu douglas
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization No he wasn't at his best. He was having big personal issues with that awful Givens woman and he didn't train or focus properly.
And that was well after he'd dropped Rooney as his trainer.
And I think you know that.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker he was at the peak of his game regardless of personal issues . He struggled against big men who werent affraid of him . Tyson bottled it against all the good fighters and rooney always said he new tyson would struggle against big powerfull guys , why do you think he refused the foreman fight .
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization If you have personal issues, you're not going to be at the peak of your game. You're not going to be focused and you're probably not going to train properly.
He hammered good fighters bigger and more powerful like Spinks and Bruno and Holmes. Holyfield (not as good as the aforementioned three) cheated against Tyson.
He never got the chance to fight George Foreman, because Foreman came to the fore again while Tyson was in prison. Foreman would've been too slow.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker Bruno was crap , spinks was always going to get a hiding from tyson he wasnt even a proper heavywieght , Foreman would have been a punch bag but tyson was scared of that man and said so himself. Holyfield gave tyson a beating he didnt cheat
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Oh Holyfield didn't cheat?
I don't see headbutting allowed anywhere in the Queensberry rules. So if Holyfield kept on headbutting and if you think that wasn't cheating, then what do you call it?
And if Bruno was crap, then what do you call Holyfield? because Bruno was clearly a better boxer than Holyfiled ever was. Quicker, better (legal) technique, more accurate and he had the best jab of the heavyweights of his time.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker tyson used his elbows all the time , Holyfield gave tyson a proper beating twice . lol
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization So having the fight cancelled is a "proper beating" now?
Tyson SOMETIMES struck his opponents with his elbow when they bunched up. It was accidental and a result of the "peek-a-boo" technique he was trained on. Floyd Patterson had the same problem and so did Kevin Rooney.
There was nothing accidental about Holyfield's headbutting.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker holyfied gave tyson a beating , go watch the fight
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization I've watched it many times and still remember watching it the first time. Holyfield gave Tyson a BUTTING in both fights.
Won't deny Holyfiled did fight a great fight in the latter rounds of the first encounter though, possibly his best ever performance. But even that was made much easier by his earlier cheating which cut Tyson's eye socket.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
Tyson barely scrapes into the top 10 of all time at heavyweight...if you include all weight divisions (pound for pound), Mike is nowhere near the top 35-40! He'd be the first to tell you this, as he has been quoted as saying he'd lose to Ali, Lewis (at any point) and a younger Holmes.
Any "expert" who says Mike is the best fighter ever should be scrubbing toilets for a living. Please provide a link to even ONE expert who thinks Mike is #1.
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
@funkyflights tyson refused to fight a 40 year old foreman ffs , go look at foremans record now on wikipedia . only knocked out by ali . beat some really great champs along the way . Who the fuck has tyson beat apart from old washed out guys ? .... tyson isnt a great nearly every boxing expert in the world says he isnt even top ten of all time , but some twat like yourself on youtube thinks otherwise . twat
MrXavierization 1 month ago
@MrXavierization
It's simple... you don't know the fight game... Judging by your ignorant attacks it's clear your just a little punk kid...
funkyflights 4 weeks ago
@funkyflights Your talking plain shit . You know nothing about boxing to make such silly statments . Anyone with a little boxing knowledge knows that tyson isnt even in the top ten heavywieghts and not even in the top 20 fighters of all time . Now go play in the road like a good kid..
MrXavierization 4 weeks ago
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funkyflights 3 weeks ago
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@MrXavierization
Dude your clueless about the fight game.... Your judging Tyson from his overall career and how he fell off so quickly... I'm pointing out the monster he was for a short time before he fell off track... During is small window no boxer in history could a stood in that ring with his speed and power.... He was too much... Mentally he couldn't handle life and it killed his discipline and desire... Now YOU GO run along...
funkyflights 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Okay then, name who you think make this top 20 fighters of all time.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker pound for pound i would say my top ten would be
1.ray robinson 2 .joe lewis 3. ali . 4. roberto duran 5. rocky marciano 6.gene tuney 7. ray leanord 8.archie moore,
My best ten . i know there are some other greats like jack johnson .willie pep etc , but i havent seen enough of them to comment on there skill The fighters above i have watched thousands of hours of fights and see a few fight live( ray lenoard , duran )
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization You can't come up with 20 at all can you?
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker 11. julio cezar chavez 12. floyd mayweather 12.jake lamotta 13. pacman .14 evander holyfield 15.marvin hagler 16.jimmy wilde 17. bernard hopkings ,18 george forman 19. micheal spinks 20 .floyd paterson.
I would put tyson about 30 pound for pound . top 20 heaveywieght no doubt
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Jake Lamotta? hahahaha.
You don't really know anything about boxing, do you? you just go on films and popular culture.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker Jake lamotta was a great fighter ,first to beat robinson and a proper champ . You no fuck all about boxing . pound for pound hes probrably in most experts top 20
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization I'm not disputing Lamotta was a great fighter and a genuine contender.
But there is no way he'd be in any credible top 20. He only won his title because his opponent suffered a serious joint injury. He defended it against bums and then got taken apart by Robinson.
He only makes bogus lists for mass consumption because of that film raging bull. In a genuine list he'd probably make the top 100 but no way the top 20.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker I have never actually seen that film ,not a tv/film fan to be honest .You may disagree but hey aint that what the internet is for . As for the rest you cant argue really
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Oh yeah I can't argue. Hahahaha excellent one.
Have you ever actually sparred?
It doesn't surprise me you haven't seen that film, it's not much about LaMotta's boxing but about his personality disorders and how he was in bed with the mob.
But of course if it wasn't for that film he'd have been forgotten about and joke UK tabloid journo's wouldn't be including him in their all-time top 20 list.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker Yep i used to box as a kid and then took up kick boxing ,and ring magazine rates lamotta in there top 20 pound for pound so he aint all that bad , watch him box ,proper warrior
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization "took up kickboxing" hehehehe yeah... right.
Just give it up and buy yourself a packet of "crisps" and run along back to your council estate. It's clear you've got a silly bias against Tyson from reading British tabloid newspapers. You obviously don't have the first clue about boxing or Mike Tyson (which is amusing considering how often you've leveled tat out-of-the-blue at everyone else).
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker Im actually german you prick so no i dont read english papers .
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization Well you've obviously got some very astray ideas from somewhere.
You've got a clear bias against Tyson. No loss to me, just more to laugh at.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker Your just an uneducated prick that thinks he knows better than the experts .
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@MrXavierization WHAT?! hahahaha what "experts" are these?
C'mon show me the experts that don't rate Tony Tucker, Frank Bruno or the very wasted talent of Tyrell Biggs. Or who think Tyson wasn't in the top 20. Or who think Lamotta was ahead of Tyson. Or who think todays boxers are in the same league as Tyson and the other 80's contenders.
C'mon name these experts and their credentials. Shouldn't be too hard for someone so *cough* educated.
truekiwijoker 3 weeks ago
@truekiwijoker dont know what happened there , i did post the fist ten
MrXavierization 3 weeks ago
@Ludichris8531 That's what i always tell people but they always argue
maffia440 2 months ago
@maffia440
they argue because you are wrong.
george foreman knocked out joe frazier , a hall of famer , in 3 rounds.
mike tyson got taken the distance by both tony tucker and james smith.
tyson has no chance against foreman and his power doesnt even come close
thievinbrudda 1 month ago