My ultralight Heineken cook kit using Ziploc containers

[kev2556]

hi, do you know the measurements of the bottom zipoc container at the top and bottom?

[Woodenarrows]

@kev2556 I assume you are wanting inside diminutions. With the 4 cup (32 oz) ZipLoc container, a Fosters or Heineken can is a snug fit in the bottom so that makes the bottom diameter ~ 3-3/16”, the top diameter is 4-1/16” and the container is 5-3/4” deep. Rubbermaid makes a similar container but that container has a smaller diameter bottom. The beer can pots won’t go all the way in to the bottom of the Rubbermaid containers.

[SoulSurvivorX2]

Love your vids. Following your lead we are taking this cook set with us in a few weeks when we hit the trail. Where did you get the 4oz bottles for your fuel? Thanks in advance... ;) c

[Woodenarrows]

@SoulSurvivorX2 I purchased the ones I have from Minibulldesign (dot) com ($1.50 ea) however, there are several others selling thm on the web.

[SoulSurvivorX2]

@Woodenarrows Thank you ;) c

[salimoneus]

I would strongly recommend against using aluminum for anything related to food or water, especially when heat is involved. Aluminum is very toxic and has been linked to several degenerative diseases like alzheimer's, autism, and several others. The small amount of weight compared to something very safe like stainless steel is not worth it. Stainless is made from mostly all natural and safe elements such as iron and chromium, both found in most multivitamins.

[chip13hoss]

We called the distributors and bottle shops here in State college pa. And no one has the 24 ounce heiny anymore only the 12 ounce ones and no aluminium bud bottles I know you have used banana boat and others to make the stove but would like if you have any left in your workshop two 24 ounce heiny cans and two Preferably the bud light blue bottles 18 jet stoves or just the bottles so we might follow your videos and do it ourselves email me at chip13 hoss@gmail.com and ill send you my address ty.

[chip13hoss]

I was so wandering if you might be able two send me two of the 24 ounce heiny pots either finished or unfinished doesn't matter and two of the bud bottles so me and my friend could attempt these stoves and pots to add to our back packing gear I know were a bit behind the curve but love the idea and looking forward to trying it out on our over night hikes. My address is chip13hoss@gmail.com email me please so I can give you my address I have watch all your videos on pots and stoves.

[Woodenarrows]

@chip13hoss Unfortunately, Heineken has stopped making those neat little 24 oz keg pots and they are no longer available. Heineken is now using a plain, straight sided can, just like everyone else uses. It’s a sad time for ultralight backpackers…

[joeebear]

That is a great cooking set. I think that the bottom of the heineken pot can be improved by watching a video on here that shows you how to use a metal washer and vicegrips to make heat exchanger dents in the bottom ring of the pot. You can even sand off the black paint and copper plate the bottom. There is a video on how to copper plate using a battery and a penny before 1977. The copper plater bottom willtransfer heat better. Search for the videos.

[redcolt777]

you you add your dehydrated food to the can?

[Woodenarrows]

@redcolt777 No, I only use the can to boil water. I do freezer bag cooking so I add the water to my food which is already packed in freezer bags. I hate cleaning dishes.

[jacketfan8]

nice set thanks for the video!

[freiholtz69]

Great!

[djbarryiii]

Nice system!

[slodeth5]

It is a nice system. But I've gone a bit more radical. Have you seen my video, 'Backpacking ULTRA-LIGHT COOKING SYSTEM'? It weighs 2.9 onces. I cook mostly oatmeal and whole grain foods in my little cooking pot. No titanium. Thanks for sharing.

[Woodenarrows]

@slodeth5 Yeah :-) a bit too small for me though...

[slodeth5]

@Woodenarrows I usually cook up a cup of something but I always eat cheese with my meals, that and some kind of dried meat and or a piece of fruit or two, dried. Granola bars sometimes, too. I find that by going small, I force myself to vary my food intake so I don't have to eat just one item for a meal. Just the way it's worked for me. Loving your videos, partner.

[neoarchangel03]

This is a great video and I am eager to try some other types of alcohol stoves. I've made one pepsi-can burner that works mediocre at best, but I think my problem is the jet-hole arrangement. I would like to try one of the bud-lite alcohol stoves like you show here, but I'm also curious, what kind of can did you use for the smaller diameter stove in this kit? It's not one of the bud-lite stoves is it?

[Woodenarrows]

@neoarchangel03 The aluminum can used for this kit's stove is from a sunscreen lotion bottle. They are about 1/4" smaller in diameter and seem to be a better for the Heineken can pots. Lately I have been getting my cans from the dollar store. They sell depilatory cream in the same small bottles. See my videos “Smaller diameter side burner stove” and “Side by side burn test of two alcohol stoves”

[neoarchangel03]

@Woodenarrows Are the bottles that you use the spray type bottles of sunscreen? If so what do you do about the cans being pressurized before you cut them up? I watched your side by side burn test and am thinking I would like to try and make the smaller diameter stove with 18 jets 1/2" down from the top.

[Woodenarrows]

@neoarchangel03 If it’s a product I actually use (sunscreen) I just save the cans when empty. The others like the cans of hair remover cream from the dollar store I just spray in an empty coffee can till empty. The aluminum product bottles are just a protective shell for the actual product inside, which is contained in a pressurized foil bag, complete with nozzles. So when you open the aluminum cans, you don’t have to clean them out, just pull out the foil bag that contained the product.

[Woodenarrows]

@Woodenarrows I am doing a video right now to demo this procedure. Will upload shortly, stay tuned…

[Woodenarrows]

@neoarchangel03 I use a pair of pliers to grab and pull over the nozzle seal at the top. Once you get it loose, the entire inside bag and nozzle will simply pull out.

[Woodenarrows]

@neoarchangel03 see video Youtube (dot) com /watch?v=aUh4AqV-Gww

[sirguy104]

You helped me once before with this type of kit and now I need more help. After storing my two kits for a good long time, 12 months, I now discovered some corrosion inside the pots. I store them with the fuel, lighter stove and windscreen all inside. Have you had any problems with corrosion? Your help would be appreciated.

[Woodenarrows]

@sirguy104 I have not had that problem but then again, I only store empty fuel bottles in the stove kit, filling them before I go and emptying them to my larger stoarge bottlle when I return.

I would try boiling some water in the pot to soften the residue and then wipe out the pot with a dish cloth. I would also check your fuel bottles to see if they leak under pressure (squeeze them).

[cliffcox66]

how do you attach or affix the fiberglass insulation to the outside of the can? glue?

[Woodenarrows]

@cliffcox66 The tape I use is self-stick drywall seam tape. The self-stick really helps with the installation. Once installed (about 10-12 wraps) I affix it permanently by drizzling some super glue on the end seam. Due to the bowed center design of the Heineken can, the top and bottom edges of the wrap will be a little loose. No getting around that but… I have not had any of the can wraps come lose yet.

[Matty49ful]

Thanks for the info. I am currently immersing myself in the world of alcohol stoves, mainly for bowhunting trips in the bush and kayaking. Does the standoff also prevent the burning fuel problem with the Heineken pots? I understand the cold water/pot part of it. Is that how everyone mods there pots by reversing the concave shape of the bottom?

Nice videos! We've trekked on some of the same soil @ Old Man's Cave. Don't have a '67 1/2 Super K for sale do you? Thanks !!

[Woodenarrows]

@Matty49ful I did not have a problem with the bottom of the Heineken pots until I tried to use a CAT stove with them. The CAT stoves just seem to be burn the fuel too fast for the Heini pots. I don’t know of anyone else who has modified their pots and I have not modified any others since settling on a side burner stove. I would not worry about unless you actually witness it. .I just found it a curious side effect. Continued….

[Woodenarrows]

@Matty49ful If you always use a heat shield it won’t be a problem anyway. A lot of shelters now have signs posted requesting hikers use heat shields or they will have a 6x6 tile to be used as a heat shield for the alcohol stove users

I really like the Hocking Hills area and plan to hike more of it.

If I had a 67-1/2 Super K I’d be keeping it J) I do have a real nice 62 Kodiak

[Matty49ful]

How is the small standoff constructed? Also, where to find the thick aluminum for the windscreens?

[Woodenarrows]

@Matty49ful The standoff is simply a piece of wire, aluminum in my case, bent in the shape of a V so it straddles the stove and is long enough to support the cook pot. The idea is to keep the really cold pot away from the stove so the stove won’t lose it’s heat and go out. You will only need the standoff when the water you are heating is really cold. The windscreen is tooling foil. Some craft stores sell it or you can get it from minnibulldesign (dot) com

[PACER2320]

I got a kit like this On eBay for about $20 including shipping. YouTube/eBay name viperspeed1. Now have website batchstovez(dot)com. Very pleased with the quality of these kits. It'd cost mote to try to build one than to buy one of these.

[PACER2320]

U can wick kit on eBay type n alcohol stove

there about $10 with shipping and includes silicone heat tape.

[glenns81]

Where did you get the fiberglass drywall tape?

[Woodenarrows]

@glenns81 Got that at Walmart in the Paint dept. Home Depot and Lowes also have it. It's used to prepare the seams of drywall for the drywall mud.

[glenns81]

It isn't a mesh, is it? That is all I have been able to locate... the stuff you are using looks like a tape, as in masking tape but made out of fiberglass... and I correct? If so, Lowe's and Home Depot do not have it, but I have not checked Walmart yet.

Thanks again for the great vid.

[Woodenarrows]

@glenns81 Yes, it is the mesh tape. I have about 10 wraps on the Heni pot (could use a few more to be honest). Not sure where you would find solid self-stick fiberglass tape. I think the mesh might be better anyway. Less hot tape and more air space, which I would think, would provide a cooler touch.

[profoxhunter]

Looks like all of your hard work paid off. Great kit!

[sweetypie000]

i'm struggling to find where to get those exact ziplock containers for my use in England, any idea please? i need to store my homemade bud stove (lol same boittle) and my caldera in it ty

great vid

[Woodenarrows]

@sweetypie000 I just did a quick Google search. Looks like they are available for order online

[sweetypie000]

@Woodenarrows yes, me too i did a google but can't find anythng definitive, can you msg me the google link you found them on because i can't find the sizes or anywhere to buy them and i'm a google master

[Woodenarrows]

@sweetypie000 Drugstore (dot) com has the 4 cup (32 oz) w/ screw lid for the bottom containers and Meijer (dot) com has the 1 cup (8 oz) with snap lid for the top.

[sweetypie000]

@Woodenarrows hi, thanks very much had a look there but the delivery is excessive ! £2.29 (US $3.47) for the 4 cup - great ! but the delivery is an addition £19.90 ($29.74) omg ! making a total of 35.09 US$ eeeek

thanks though but i'll have to find a uk seller, if you ever find oone anybody please tell me ! tnx

[paintballhead03]

Can you please tell me were you got the squirters for the fuel. I have been looking and cant find them anywhere

[Woodenarrows]

I got those fuel bottles from Tinny of minibulldesign. Do a Google for minibulldesign and you will find his web site. I think they are only 1 dollar or two.

[paintballhead03]

ok thanks

[kc7fys]

Combine this with the caldera cone, and you really have a performer. I was not altogether thrilled with the function of this stove design using denatured alcohol. I see the commercial version of the caldera uses a sort of "super cat" design stove.

Excellent video.

[MegaRevHead]

Hello, How to you attach the fiberglass tape to the can?

[Woodenarrows]

The fiberglass tape is Drywall repair tape. An idea I got from MrBillTroop73 I think? Hard to remember with all the videos I watch. The tape is self-adhesive so the initial installation is pretty easy. I use 8-10 layers and once wrapped I put some superglue on the end seam to be sure it holds in place. It will get a little loose with heat and use but the design of the Heineken Can with it bulged side and banded top prevents it from moving up or down the can.

[Ggreenvideos]

Great vid :o) where do you get the silicone lip?

[Woodenarrows]

The silicone guard is from minibulldesign. Tinny sells them for $1 each. It is really a silicone wrist band sold in various stores. Our Walmart sold them for a while but they no longer sell them.

[Ggreenvideos]

Thanks for the info. I've been trying to find something like that...with no luck.

Thanks again for sharing such an awesome stove :o)

[steffler69]

Very Nice, but will the pot "break down" if you use it on a camp fire (e.g. if you run out of fuel)?

[Woodenarrows]

If needed, I believe it would hold up as long as the pot contains liquid to keep the aluminum from melting. If it came to that I would be cooking over coals, like you should do anyway.

[SluWasteman08]

im watching this while im stoned

you seem like a real nice guy

good vid btw keep it up

Dion

[mralexk123]

nice video ..........i think u can put it in your survival kit or camping kit

[MrBillTroop73]

Great video!

Bill

[duane254]

where did you find your wick and what would i ask for? also, very informative vid as all of yours are. i am a dedicated subscriber of yours.

[Woodenarrows]

This stove does not use a wick. It is a double wall side burner stove. See my DIY Bud Light alcohol stove video for an example of this type stove. They are light weight and very sturdy stoves. This particular stove is a little smaller diameter so the flame pattern fits the beer can pots better.

You can find large fiberglass wicks at Wal-Mart in the Garden center. Ask them for replacement wicks for Tiki patio torches.

Thanks for subscribing, I appreciate it.

[duane254]

thanks, i thought your little stove had a wick around the bottom for priming. thanks for the info on walmart, i'll go up there now. i want to try building a wick stove. will i need a vent hole?

[Woodenarrows]

Sorry Duane, when you said wick my brain thought 'burner'. I now realize you meant the wick I have wrapped around the outside bottom of the stove. That wick I got from minibulldesign, along with my windscreen material. Tinny ships fast and the shipping costs are very reasonable.

I'm sorry for the confusion on the messages.