Knowing the culture and setting it is most likely that Elisha had shaved his head in mourning for the prophet Elijah. Elijah was caught up into heaven. Elisha had just preformed a miracle to give Jericho water. All of these facts compound the mockery as utterly heneous.
The Hebrew word for youths is in the KJV translated children but in other places refers to men between 17 and 20 years old up to warriors in the army of Israel. And the fact that they were banded together in such a large group show that they werent working in the household but roaming about with others that werent working as most likely operating as a gang of thugs would act.
Maul carries the mean of separate o divide in usages in the OT. Also two bears werent enough to maul 42 youths, practically speaking. For they would scatter and run unless of course they were trying to attack the bears and eat them. But to divide the group and cause them to separate would make sense for their own perceived power of the group is in numbers and unity.
Nah. First I want you to state what your scholarly research has concluded. IOW take a position and state why. Then I will give further support for my contentions.
@j919or Re: “Nah. First I want you to state what your scholarly research has concluded.” >< I have, I’m still waiting for you to respond to it what I’ve laid out to you about the “Modernist movement” of the 19th century, or what I’ve asked you if you’ve ever read the “Synoptic Gospels” simultaneously. There are many discrepancies in the Synoptic Gospels. If you “actually” read the Bible you would know that. Reply! Get with it! Chop chop!
@j919or Um, nah. I'm simply reading the passage literally, and taking it to mean what it literally says. You are claiming that the passage means something different than what it says ("children" means "vagrants"; that "go up" means "go up to heaven"; that "maul" means "separate", and that some unspecified "type" of bear does not normally attack humans).
I'm asking you to justify your reinterpretation of the literal meaning. Of course, we both know you can't, or you already would have.
Yes we all know that you can google and research but obviouisly you cant think and argue. I challenged you to do more than provide book reference but actually debate the topic. You definition of a "kick" is to mention some people that call themselves experts. No good. You are a typical non thinking college punk. Oh you can research a paper and still know less after than before.
@j919or Re: “I challenged you to do more than provide book reference but actually debate the topic. Debate me or admit u cant!. “ >< Why didn’t you didn’t you click on the “Reply” box to add your response to my comment, huh? You coward. Afraid it would drop your cowardly response in my email box didn’t you? I anticipated that. I also noticed you chose this video forum for its “low” or “no” viewer traffic. Fear not, I’ll keep up on my end, because I want others to see the references.
6. Go up involved Elijahs going up into heaven and the gang of youths wanting Elisha to disappear as well and was stated with a contemptuous attitude.
@j919or 6. Actually, "go up" was the name of a popular dance move in ancient Israel, and the youths were being nice and inviting Elijah to their party. But of course, Elijah (and god) didn't like people having fun, so they sent out the magical bears to crash the party.
@j919or Well you're not too ignorant to realize that what I just posted was drivel; but you are apparently too ignorant to realize that I was simply illustrating your method of making it up as you go along: You're committed to defending the bible at all costs, even if that means spinning, redefining and speculating to turn a morally objectionable passage from the bible into something more benign.
If drivel is indication of a white flag, you've been waving one since the conversation started.
@punnet2 "" You're committed to defending the bible ""
Rather you can refute my defense and instead youclaim now that Im bias. Bias doesnt matter in a debate for both sides are assumed to be bias. Grow up and take defeat like a man and stop ur whining.
@j919or "" You're committed to defending the bible ""
Rather you cant refute my defense and instead youclaim that Im bias. Bias doesnt matter in a debate for both sides are assumed to be bias. Grow up and take defeat like a man and stop ur whining.
@j919or Rather, you can't own up to the that fact the bible isn't as good as you think, so you improvise a reinterpretation of objectionable passages like this story of the bears, to mean something other than what they literally say. You don't have a defense to refute. Provide actual scholarship for how you arrived at this interpretation, otherwise we both know you're reinterpreting the passage to fit your preconceived bias.
Or...refute my interpretation, rather than dismissing it as drivel.
@punnet2 "" reinterpretation of objectionable passages ""
Actually I bring just a correction of your own misinterpretation. Now either argue the points I made or admit that you cant. Challenging my motives is ridiculous , for even if my motives were to expose you as the complete fool that you are, that doesnt invalidate the content of my argument.
You read and/or heard some anti god blather and u loved it and therefore were easily convinced. Your anti god attitude will lead u to hell.
@j919or I'm more than prepared to argue the "points" you think you made: I challenged you to provide the scholarship behind your reinterpretation, as otherwise it's apparent you are simply improvising a reinterpretation, in which case it is no more valid than the deliberately satirical one I provided.
At least have the honesty to admit you're arguing from a presupposition (that the bible is "good"), and therefore have to provide a spin for any objectionable passages such as the Elijah story.
@punnet2 ""scholarship behind your reinterpretation""
Im assuming that u are refering to the meanings of the words used in the account and their usage, including the cultural and circumstancial setting of the story.
Ive made many point and numbered them. Pick one and challenge it or admit that you cant. Stop shifting the burden of proof to hide ur crumbling argument.
@j919or Yes. Explain by what scholarship (of your own, or by citation of an actual bible scholar) you reinterpet the passage so that "maul" means "separate", "youth" means "vagrants", "go up" means "go to heaven", and what specific "type" of bear in israel you're referring to that has to be provoked to attack. As it stands, you do not appear to have any academic foundation for your interpretation; rather, you're simply defending your (non-academic) presupposition.
further, the youths were perhaps a band of vagrants/trouble makers that needed a good spanking. The bears were only two and hardly able to "tear them(42 even) to peices" as you exaggerate to make my point that atheists have an evil agenda and truth is the furthest from their minds.
@j919or RE: “4. I hope you know Im not interested in translations but in the original text.
5. NEXT!!!” --- Funny you say this then you revise & create your own interpretation of that scripture. What you’ve just demonstrated reinforces the vloggers point on those like you formulating such rationalizations. Another baited hook you’ve bit onto. Try for another one perhaps?
@j919or Re: “4.The type bear common to ISrael would have been such that they need be provoked to assault people.” --- Here you are 9 days later with another feeble attempt to reiterate garbage from a book of garbage. Now matter what you do: “It is what it is”; & its garbage for life, no matter how you try to twist it you can’t change it. The church has been embarrassed of the Bible for its contradictions & crazy scriptures for centuries. Are you that naïve?
@j919or Re: “Perhaps the false church. You would have to give support for such a general sweeping statement and u wont cause u cant” --- Actually I can. I will get back to you because right now I have to engage in promiscuous activities with this 3rd chick that I’ve met this weekend. But I will provide actual historical & current accepted documentation on the subject. How it pays to have a well stocked college library. See yuh shortly. TaTa!
@RRoocckkyy50 Re: ““Perhaps the false church. You would have to give support for such a general sweeping statement and u wont cause u cant”. >< It appears you’ve never read about the modernist movement that took place with the church during the 19th century. The modernist wished to revise the dogmatic assertions of church teachings in light of the discoveries in science, archaeology, & critical scholarship. The more exposure they had to this, Cont.—
My suspicions are confirmed. A college punk justifying his unrestrained lust, searches the library and before he disgests the material vomits it onto the comments section of youtube.
@j919or Cont. 1) --- the more theologians were loosing their confidence in the historical validity of the NT. Even such known theologians as William Inge, Dean of St. Paul’s Cathedral. He was asked to write on the life of Jesus. He refused stating that there was not nearly enough evidence to write anything at all about him. At first the Vatican didn’t mind the open scholarship studies of the modernists. But as they called the church doctrines into question… Cont.—
@RRoocckkyy50 ""more theologians were loosing their confidence""
Jesus predicted numerous false teachers as did Paul. Human dont want truth, they want comfort. The bible is not comfortable to the unrepentent, including "theologians" and you.
@j919or Re: “A college punk justifying his unrestrained lust,” >< The nicest thing you’ve ever said to me. Thank you. But I’m not one of the alter boys you like holding his candle & running around looking like a mini cross dresser. I’m a college punk that knows how to spell & likes chicks. And not with chicks dicks either like you do.
@RRoocckkyy50 my point is that you are not a freethinker with a clear head. That is easily discerned by the content of your posts. I wonder why you continue to debate in htis forum.
@j919or Cont. – that the Church created & perpetuated. So in effect, Pope Pius X issued a ban against the entire Methodist movement in 1907. As the centuries started moving towards us, the more the Bible was becoming a fraud. Today it is completely a “fraud”. Some people existed & some events occurred, all a small percentage. Your polytheist belief is evident only by word of mouth or form of written text. No existent tangible or empirical data is available for proof of your gods. Sorry.
@j919or Re: “Jesus predicted numerous false teachers as did Paul.” >< Paul mostly spoke of Christianity. He offered no info on Jesus other than the resurrection & crucifixion. Jesus really didn’t say any of that $h!t. The words were more to the effect of having been put in his mouth. It wasn’t “him” but the “role” in which he had supposedly played that was important Christianity. Haven’t you figured that out yet? Is it possible for you to learn?
@j919or Re: “prepare for further humiliation.” You’re really not faking are you; you are in fact genuinely “stupid”. I’m speaking of the “vessel” itself while you’re ranting of it’s contents. Because of the new translations resulting from the scientific & archaeological scholarship study. The historical evidence their research produced was beginning to unravel the myths (what were discovered as just myths) Cont. –
@RRoocckkyy50 "" Today it is completely a “fraud”. ""
Thats a wild boast there Sherlock. Care to back it with an argument and some logical fact based assertions? Nah, you wont bc you cant. You know ull be humiliated and embarrassed. The bible wasnt intended as myths for the style is historical in the narratives and personal in the letters.
My guess is that you googled something and are here parroting/vomiting it back to me. You havent the ability to understand or argue anything u read.
@j919or Re: “Nah, you wont bc you cant. You know ull be humiliated and embarrassed” >< Note how you keep saying that & I keep kicking your ass at this? I’ve even provided names & dates (something your Bible can’t provide) in many of my assertion that you are free to research. I’ve kicked your ass on 4 video forums (strangely I do keep files), 5 including this one. So you want more of an ass kicking? I’ll provide book references for each “kick” & I’ll paste them on every channel you visit. Deal?
@j919or Cont.2) --- (something they were afraid of happening) they shut that program down. To many questions & to much information was developing about those questions. Have You ever read the “Synoptic Gospels” simultaneously? I’m talking about Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John. Well if you do, you’ll realizes that they’re NOT “synoptic” It’s as if they are speaking of different individuals instead of the same ole Jesus. Which is embarrassing Well have you?
The Bible is an interpretation, of an interpretation of fabricated substance (fillers & byproducts to compensate for any actual material that had been destroyed) that is an interpretation etc. Greek? Yes. Why? Jesus was a Jew boy (a practiced one also), him & his entourage spoke Greek? Where in the Bible, or history does it say that? Why the F was the NT composed from Greek? He was a friggin Jew! Not a Christian; or was he?
@RRoocckkyy50 Jesus spoke Aramaic. The gospels were written to an audience that spoke a variety of languages. English wasnt even in exsistence back then. What is ur point? The message is clear ...we were made by God for a purpose and we have rejected both God and that purpose. God is patient and is able to turn the mess we made into overall good for us and those around us.....for those that believe it.
@j919or RE: “we have rejected both God and that purpose.” --- The endless question I’ve always asked your type: “Where do you get this “we” crap from?” There is no “me” in this “we” okay? It’s just you! I don’t “reject” because there is “nothing” to “reject”. The God/Jesus thing is interesting. So I study continuously about it. I know much, & are learning more. I’m going to dazzle you with stuff you don’t know & what you “refuse” to learn because the truth hurts. Ready?
@j919or RE: “1. Prove that they were all injured” --- You’ve got to be kidding right? I’ve pulled a scripture from the Bible to nullify a previous claim of yours, & you “demand” that I “prove” that what’s stated in that excerpt occurred? Moi? Fortunately for you I’m here to save you from yourself. Now, I don’t have that “proof”. You don’t have that proof. It’s difficult to believe something like that, in fact you’ve pointed it out with: “Where’s the proof?” You’re learning! : )
@j919or RE: (1) “Prove that that is what is stated in the text.” --- 2KIings 2:“23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.”
@j919or (2) “2 Kings 2:23-24King James Version (KJV)23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.”
@j919or Did you want it in Greek or something? What? Where is your Bible? Did you want the text from the Tanakh? That my friend is in an ancient Hebrew. You are referring to a particular word in the text for youth that “can” exemplify an age up to 20 years. Let’s go that direction then: They could be 400 years of age because your Bible declares life spans of humans being that & longer. The root of the word is “youth”, not “men” . It is what it is.
God is violent but His violence is to mitigate evil. Before the flood the evil of man was rampant and more babies were being born and being corrupted. God shortened mans life bc the longer man lived the worse he got. In Israel got sent out strong warning against evil and acted violently towards many. No one can say they werent warned about Gods attitude towards evil. Repent or perish!
This is the evil of man. Im no better(and neither are yall) except for the mercy of God that forgave my hostility towards God and made me fall in love with God and now I share his joy strength and love. It still amazes me that God lets and of yall live another day. God is so cool ud have to be insane to reject HIm.
@j919or RE: “God is patient and is able to turn the mess we made into overall good for us and those around us.....for those that believe it.” --- Oh yah: Your god is patient? Really? Like this for example? : “ 2Kings 2:23-24”. That is where your God had 42 children ripped to pieces by bears because the kids made fun of Elisha’s bald head. How peacefully, patiently wonderful of your god. I’m sure you could “rationalize” that.
The Pope doesnt say whats true he says what works to accomplish his purpose. The RCC themselves were more violent than Muslems to the tune of 100 million including dozens of infants buried under convents.
This is what happens when ppl try to be good without God in their lives. They become more prideful and more evil as a result. Remeber that religious ppl killed Jesus. Religious ppl are evil for they think they can be like God by their own efforts. Focus on Mt5.3
You must be a typical American who does not understand the undertones. Of course the Pope has read the bible, but he doesn't understand the context of it. I agree with "Proof that the pope has not read the bible". The pope may read 90 different languages but he doesn't understand a word and it would be very american of you to read my words literally.
What a shame you guys broke free from United Kingdom of Great Britain 1776, what a wonderful world it would have been :)
YOU ARE THE LIVING PROFF OF STUPIDITY... How can you miss the point SO MUCH..??! That was CLEARLY a sarcasm to high-light the stupid comment on God's nature being against violence... How can you even defend the Bible with all the proof that is shown to your face of an angry god who kills whoever he wants...???! But you know what to do, of course. You simply do not answer those questions and keep preaching from your blindness...
Well then according to this video: the English translations of the Bible that so many in America possess is not the real bible. Why then does the Pope and his church let their followers read from and buy a book that is such a flawed twisting of their god's words? Changing the word of God is a sin in and of itself so I don't see why they'd allow this to go on.
YOU have to be kidding, The bible is so full of murder and hate.. for instance. Lot leaves sodom and Gamora then screws his two daughters to save his seed, The promised land was occutpied and they were told to kill everything. YOu obvilously have a veil over your eyes keeping you from seeing the truth that the god of the holly bible is infact a ruthless killer. Read the sick story of job, where god lets Satan take him and do with him what he wilt..This pope gave his life to Hitler as a child.
@thefakeyeti Thank you so much for this..This guy even stoops so low to say, are you gay? He just cant back up anything he is saying. funny thing is, if he lived in the promissed land with the canittes, he would have been murdered for no reasson like they were by this all loving gods people that were told to do it by GOD. If this is what heaven looks like, hell looks so much better.
@thefakeyeti Now that you have conceded that we do not have to take everything written or said literally, will you now please extend the same courtesy to the Bibles. Thank you.
So god just metaphorically destroyed the world, slaughtered all the first born eygyptions, destroyed sadam and gomora(sp), he wanted the men to METAPHORICALLY rip out the unborn babies and bash them on the rocks...
More twisting of the truth to demonize God. You reveal ur evil nature and justify God in His judgment of u to hell. The 42 youths were likely young men. I think it was 2 bears and two bears cant kill 42 young men. It says that the bears MAULED them. It doesnt say ALL of them and it doesnt say KILL, even though all of them deserved to be killed as do we all. Get in touch with ur evil and repent of it or u will follow it to hell.
More twisting of the truth to demonize God. You reveal ur evil nature and justify God in His judgment of u to hell. The 42 youths were likely young men. I think it was 2 bears and two bears cant kill 42 young men. It says that the bears MAULED them. It doesnt say ALL of them and it doesnt say KILL, even though all of them deserved to be killed as do we all. Get in touch with ur evil and repent of it or u will follow it to hell.
@thefakeyeti Woah, a world of contextless commentary, good-oh.
Anyway generally all people subject to violence in the Hebrew Bible are offered one or more chances to escape this or turn away from it. This is true of Pharoah and the first born for example.
Remember Pharoah, at any time can avoid this, God doesn't visit it first and ask after.
@j919or Re: “Lets see it” >< Well? What’s happening? Are you going to lollygag or are going to respond to it what I’ve laid out to you about the “Modernist movement” of the 19th century, or when I’ve asked you if you’ve ever read the “Synoptic Gospels” simultaneously? Or rather would you prefer to respond to my replies to you from this very video site “Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4)” from 10/29/11? I could refresh what you ran from. Well?
Here we see a video of someone who does not get it....rather does not get anything at all. Here is what is REALLY FUNNY, is this guy is claiming the english text varies that much from the original text!? Amazing, so that means every person that reads the english bible is getting the wrong meanings? LMAO, congrats on that one, excuses are like buttholes, everyone has one hahaha.
First of all, you look a bit insane, because you're wearing eyeglasses over your sunglasses, which is not helping your argument. Thank you for making the world a dumber place. Secondly, are you saying that the Pope just out of the blue decided to act like an idiot and say something that contradicted the Bible? was he making a stupid joke or something? Explain that.
sarcasm: The use of irony or wit to mock or convey contempt. To make a point by stating the opposite. (NOTE: It only works if the listener's smart enough to understand it.)
Example: "The pope has not read the bible."
Sarcasm!
Now: With that established, please explain why the "infallible" pope -- decorated, bible scholar and religious leader to millions -- made a FALSE statement. A bible scholar would know that his statement contradicts the bible, right? Why, then, did he say what he said?
So you're saying that god DIDN'T kill all those people in the original texts? Because you sure spent a lot of time trying to dance around the subject.
Ok, you wrote this two months ago, but it was so incredibly stupid I just had to respond anyways: Why the hell would it matter if the people killed were "good" or "evil"? The question was if killing was against gods nature, which it clearly isnt.
Knowing the culture and setting it is most likely that Elisha had shaved his head in mourning for the prophet Elijah. Elijah was caught up into heaven. Elisha had just preformed a miracle to give Jericho water. All of these facts compound the mockery as utterly heneous.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Hey, you didn't respond to me. What happened?
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
The Hebrew word for youths is in the KJV translated children but in other places refers to men between 17 and 20 years old up to warriors in the army of Israel. And the fact that they were banded together in such a large group show that they werent working in the household but roaming about with others that werent working as most likely operating as a gang of thugs would act.
j919or 3 months ago
Maul carries the mean of separate o divide in usages in the OT. Also two bears werent enough to maul 42 youths, practically speaking. For they would scatter and run unless of course they were trying to attack the bears and eat them. But to divide the group and cause them to separate would make sense for their own perceived power of the group is in numbers and unity.
j919or 3 months ago
Nah. First I want you to state what your scholarly research has concluded. IOW take a position and state why. Then I will give further support for my contentions.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Re: “Nah. First I want you to state what your scholarly research has concluded.” >< I have, I’m still waiting for you to respond to it what I’ve laid out to you about the “Modernist movement” of the 19th century, or what I’ve asked you if you’ve ever read the “Synoptic Gospels” simultaneously. There are many discrepancies in the Synoptic Gospels. If you “actually” read the Bible you would know that. Reply! Get with it! Chop chop!
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
@j919or Um, nah. I'm simply reading the passage literally, and taking it to mean what it literally says. You are claiming that the passage means something different than what it says ("children" means "vagrants"; that "go up" means "go up to heaven"; that "maul" means "separate", and that some unspecified "type" of bear does not normally attack humans).
I'm asking you to justify your reinterpretation of the literal meaning. Of course, we both know you can't, or you already would have.
punnet2 3 months ago
""I’ll provide book references ""
Yes we all know that you can google and research but obviouisly you cant think and argue. I challenged you to do more than provide book reference but actually debate the topic. You definition of a "kick" is to mention some people that call themselves experts. No good. You are a typical non thinking college punk. Oh you can research a paper and still know less after than before.
Debate me or admit u cant!.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Re: “I challenged you to do more than provide book reference but actually debate the topic. Debate me or admit u cant!. “ >< Why didn’t you didn’t you click on the “Reply” box to add your response to my comment, huh? You coward. Afraid it would drop your cowardly response in my email box didn’t you? I anticipated that. I also noticed you chose this video forum for its “low” or “no” viewer traffic. Fear not, I’ll keep up on my end, because I want others to see the references.
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
6. Go up involved Elijahs going up into heaven and the gang of youths wanting Elisha to disappear as well and was stated with a contemptuous attitude.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or 6. Actually, "go up" was the name of a popular dance move in ancient Israel, and the youths were being nice and inviting Elijah to their party. But of course, Elijah (and god) didn't like people having fun, so they sent out the magical bears to crash the party.
Prove me wrong if you don't believe me.
punnet2 4 months ago
@punnet2 ""magical bears to crash the party""
Ill take ur drivel as a white flag.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Well you're not too ignorant to realize that what I just posted was drivel; but you are apparently too ignorant to realize that I was simply illustrating your method of making it up as you go along: You're committed to defending the bible at all costs, even if that means spinning, redefining and speculating to turn a morally objectionable passage from the bible into something more benign.
If drivel is indication of a white flag, you've been waving one since the conversation started.
punnet2 4 months ago
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@punnet2 "" You're committed to defending the bible ""
Rather you can refute my defense and instead youclaim now that Im bias. Bias doesnt matter in a debate for both sides are assumed to be bias. Grow up and take defeat like a man and stop ur whining.
j919or 3 months ago
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@j919or "" You're committed to defending the bible ""
Rather you cant refute my defense and instead youclaim that Im bias. Bias doesnt matter in a debate for both sides are assumed to be bias. Grow up and take defeat like a man and stop ur whining.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Rather, you can't own up to the that fact the bible isn't as good as you think, so you improvise a reinterpretation of objectionable passages like this story of the bears, to mean something other than what they literally say. You don't have a defense to refute. Provide actual scholarship for how you arrived at this interpretation, otherwise we both know you're reinterpreting the passage to fit your preconceived bias.
Or...refute my interpretation, rather than dismissing it as drivel.
punnet2 3 months ago
@punnet2 "" reinterpretation of objectionable passages ""
Actually I bring just a correction of your own misinterpretation. Now either argue the points I made or admit that you cant. Challenging my motives is ridiculous , for even if my motives were to expose you as the complete fool that you are, that doesnt invalidate the content of my argument.
You read and/or heard some anti god blather and u loved it and therefore were easily convinced. Your anti god attitude will lead u to hell.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or I'm more than prepared to argue the "points" you think you made: I challenged you to provide the scholarship behind your reinterpretation, as otherwise it's apparent you are simply improvising a reinterpretation, in which case it is no more valid than the deliberately satirical one I provided.
At least have the honesty to admit you're arguing from a presupposition (that the bible is "good"), and therefore have to provide a spin for any objectionable passages such as the Elijah story.
punnet2 3 months ago
@punnet2 ""scholarship behind your reinterpretation""
Im assuming that u are refering to the meanings of the words used in the account and their usage, including the cultural and circumstancial setting of the story.
Ive made many point and numbered them. Pick one and challenge it or admit that you cant. Stop shifting the burden of proof to hide ur crumbling argument.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Yes. Explain by what scholarship (of your own, or by citation of an actual bible scholar) you reinterpet the passage so that "maul" means "separate", "youth" means "vagrants", "go up" means "go to heaven", and what specific "type" of bear in israel you're referring to that has to be provoked to attack. As it stands, you do not appear to have any academic foundation for your interpretation; rather, you're simply defending your (non-academic) presupposition.
punnet2 3 months ago
further, the youths were perhaps a band of vagrants/trouble makers that needed a good spanking. The bears were only two and hardly able to "tear them(42 even) to peices" as you exaggerate to make my point that atheists have an evil agenda and truth is the furthest from their minds.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or RE: “4. I hope you know Im not interested in translations but in the original text.
5. NEXT!!!” --- Funny you say this then you revise & create your own interpretation of that scripture. What you’ve just demonstrated reinforces the vloggers point on those like you formulating such rationalizations. Another baited hook you’ve bit onto. Try for another one perhaps?
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 Here Rockhead is fooled by his own bias.
1. Two bears arent able to harm all 42 of the youths
2. Mauled can also mean divide and this makes more sense because the gang of young thugs was divided by the bears
3.There have been less than 50 people killed in the usa and canada in the last 100 years. Bears arent killers.
4.The type bear common to ISrael would have been such that they need be provoked to assault people.
5.Go up bald head was not merely mocking baldness but Elijah
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Re: “4.The type bear common to ISrael would have been such that they need be provoked to assault people.” --- Here you are 9 days later with another feeble attempt to reiterate garbage from a book of garbage. Now matter what you do: “It is what it is”; & its garbage for life, no matter how you try to twist it you can’t change it. The church has been embarrassed of the Bible for its contradictions & crazy scriptures for centuries. Are you that naïve?
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 ""The church has been embarrassed of the Bible for its contradictions ""
Perhaps the false church. You would have to give support for such a general sweeping statement and u wont cause u cant
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Re: “Perhaps the false church. You would have to give support for such a general sweeping statement and u wont cause u cant” --- Actually I can. I will get back to you because right now I have to engage in promiscuous activities with this 3rd chick that I’ve met this weekend. But I will provide actual historical & current accepted documentation on the subject. How it pays to have a well stocked college library. See yuh shortly. TaTa!
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 Re: ““Perhaps the false church. You would have to give support for such a general sweeping statement and u wont cause u cant”. >< It appears you’ve never read about the modernist movement that took place with the church during the 19th century. The modernist wished to revise the dogmatic assertions of church teachings in light of the discoveries in science, archaeology, & critical scholarship. The more exposure they had to this, Cont.—
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 ""well stocked college library""
My suspicions are confirmed. A college punk justifying his unrestrained lust, searches the library and before he disgests the material vomits it onto the comments section of youtube.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Cont. 1) --- the more theologians were loosing their confidence in the historical validity of the NT. Even such known theologians as William Inge, Dean of St. Paul’s Cathedral. He was asked to write on the life of Jesus. He refused stating that there was not nearly enough evidence to write anything at all about him. At first the Vatican didn’t mind the open scholarship studies of the modernists. But as they called the church doctrines into question… Cont.—
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 ""more theologians were loosing their confidence""
Jesus predicted numerous false teachers as did Paul. Human dont want truth, they want comfort. The bible is not comfortable to the unrepentent, including "theologians" and you.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Re: “A college punk justifying his unrestrained lust,” >< The nicest thing you’ve ever said to me. Thank you. But I’m not one of the alter boys you like holding his candle & running around looking like a mini cross dresser. I’m a college punk that knows how to spell & likes chicks. And not with chicks dicks either like you do.
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 my point is that you are not a freethinker with a clear head. That is easily discerned by the content of your posts. I wonder why you continue to debate in htis forum.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Cont. – that the Church created & perpetuated. So in effect, Pope Pius X issued a ban against the entire Methodist movement in 1907. As the centuries started moving towards us, the more the Bible was becoming a fraud. Today it is completely a “fraud”. Some people existed & some events occurred, all a small percentage. Your polytheist belief is evident only by word of mouth or form of written text. No existent tangible or empirical data is available for proof of your gods. Sorry.
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
@j919or Re: “Jesus predicted numerous false teachers as did Paul.” >< Paul mostly spoke of Christianity. He offered no info on Jesus other than the resurrection & crucifixion. Jesus really didn’t say any of that $h!t. The words were more to the effect of having been put in his mouth. It wasn’t “him” but the “role” in which he had supposedly played that was important Christianity. Haven’t you figured that out yet? Is it possible for you to learn?
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 ""Jesus really didn’t say any of that $h!t""
Jesus spoke much of false teachers, "beware of false teachers" "many will say there is the christ" "many will come in my name".
If you wanna show where Paul and Jesus disagreed, prepare for further humiliation.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Re: “prepare for further humiliation.” You’re really not faking are you; you are in fact genuinely “stupid”. I’m speaking of the “vessel” itself while you’re ranting of it’s contents. Because of the new translations resulting from the scientific & archaeological scholarship study. The historical evidence their research produced was beginning to unravel the myths (what were discovered as just myths) Cont. –
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 "" Today it is completely a “fraud”. ""
Thats a wild boast there Sherlock. Care to back it with an argument and some logical fact based assertions? Nah, you wont bc you cant. You know ull be humiliated and embarrassed. The bible wasnt intended as myths for the style is historical in the narratives and personal in the letters.
My guess is that you googled something and are here parroting/vomiting it back to me. You havent the ability to understand or argue anything u read.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Re: “Nah, you wont bc you cant. You know ull be humiliated and embarrassed” >< Note how you keep saying that & I keep kicking your ass at this? I’ve even provided names & dates (something your Bible can’t provide) in many of my assertion that you are free to research. I’ve kicked your ass on 4 video forums (strangely I do keep files), 5 including this one. So you want more of an ass kicking? I’ll provide book references for each “kick” & I’ll paste them on every channel you visit. Deal?
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
@j919or Cont.2) --- (something they were afraid of happening) they shut that program down. To many questions & to much information was developing about those questions. Have You ever read the “Synoptic Gospels” simultaneously? I’m talking about Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John. Well if you do, you’ll realizes that they’re NOT “synoptic” It’s as if they are speaking of different individuals instead of the same ole Jesus. Which is embarrassing Well have you?
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
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@RRoocckkyy50 ""Which is embarrassing Well have you?""
What?..... Rocky, stay down, dont get up Rock.
j919or 3 months ago
The Bible is an interpretation, of an interpretation of fabricated substance (fillers & byproducts to compensate for any actual material that had been destroyed) that is an interpretation etc. Greek? Yes. Why? Jesus was a Jew boy (a practiced one also), him & his entourage spoke Greek? Where in the Bible, or history does it say that? Why the F was the NT composed from Greek? He was a friggin Jew! Not a Christian; or was he?
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago 2
@RRoocckkyy50 Jesus spoke Aramaic. The gospels were written to an audience that spoke a variety of languages. English wasnt even in exsistence back then. What is ur point? The message is clear ...we were made by God for a purpose and we have rejected both God and that purpose. God is patient and is able to turn the mess we made into overall good for us and those around us.....for those that believe it.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or RE: “we have rejected both God and that purpose.” --- The endless question I’ve always asked your type: “Where do you get this “we” crap from?” There is no “me” in this “we” okay? It’s just you! I don’t “reject” because there is “nothing” to “reject”. The God/Jesus thing is interesting. So I study continuously about it. I know much, & are learning more. I’m going to dazzle you with stuff you don’t know & what you “refuse” to learn because the truth hurts. Ready?
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 ""I’m going to dazzle you with stuff you don’t know ""
Finally a challenge Im so excited! .......Hmmm.. lets see Elisha and the bears...Sigh that is the dazzling stuff you got for me? You cant do better?
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or RE: “1. Prove that they were all injured” --- You’ve got to be kidding right? I’ve pulled a scripture from the Bible to nullify a previous claim of yours, & you “demand” that I “prove” that what’s stated in that excerpt occurred? Moi? Fortunately for you I’m here to save you from yourself. Now, I don’t have that “proof”. You don’t have that proof. It’s difficult to believe something like that, in fact you’ve pointed it out with: “Where’s the proof?” You’re learning! : )
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 Prove that that is what is stated in the text.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or RE: (1) “Prove that that is what is stated in the text.” --- 2KIings 2:“23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.”
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@j919or (2) “2 Kings 2:23-24King James Version (KJV)23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.”
From the web.
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@j919or Did you want it in Greek or something? What? Where is your Bible? Did you want the text from the Tanakh? That my friend is in an ancient Hebrew. You are referring to a particular word in the text for youth that “can” exemplify an age up to 20 years. Let’s go that direction then: They could be 400 years of age because your Bible declares life spans of humans being that & longer. The root of the word is “youth”, not “men” . It is what it is.
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
God is violent but His violence is to mitigate evil. Before the flood the evil of man was rampant and more babies were being born and being corrupted. God shortened mans life bc the longer man lived the worse he got. In Israel got sent out strong warning against evil and acted violently towards many. No one can say they werent warned about Gods attitude towards evil. Repent or perish!
j919or 5 months ago
@j919or If I were jeus I would take a crap and make all my devoted followers eat the corn from my shit...fuck this water into wine bit!
moonshineinsummer1 4 months ago
@moonshineinsummer1 "" eat the corn from my shit""
This is the evil of man. Im no better(and neither are yall) except for the mercy of God that forgave my hostility towards God and made me fall in love with God and now I share his joy strength and love. It still amazes me that God lets and of yall live another day. God is so cool ud have to be insane to reject HIm.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Do you love santa clause and the tooth fairy?
Never underestimate the stupidity of an idiot.
What god do you worship...there are thousands.
You are insane!
moonshineinsummer1 4 months ago
@moonshineinsummer1 "" love santa clause and the tooth fairy?""
1. They never were proposed to be God
2. They never were proposed as non fiction but as fiction
3. There is one God and many teachings about God
4. Ur job is to decide which of those teachings are true if any.
5. Ur humiliation has just begun.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or religion was created by men...as fiction.
moonshineinsummer1 4 months ago
@j919or RE: “God is patient and is able to turn the mess we made into overall good for us and those around us.....for those that believe it.” --- Oh yah: Your god is patient? Really? Like this for example? : “ 2Kings 2:23-24”. That is where your God had 42 children ripped to pieces by bears because the kids made fun of Elisha’s bald head. How peacefully, patiently wonderful of your god. I’m sure you could “rationalize” that.
RRoocckkyy50 4 months ago
@RRoocckkyy50 ""42 children ripped to pieces by bears ""
1. Prove that they were all injured
2. Prove that any were injured and to what extent
3. Prove that they were children.
4. I hope you know Im not interested in translations but in the original text.
5. NEXT!!!
j919or 4 months ago
The Pope doesnt say whats true he says what works to accomplish his purpose. The RCC themselves were more violent than Muslems to the tune of 100 million including dozens of infants buried under convents.
This is what happens when ppl try to be good without God in their lives. They become more prideful and more evil as a result. Remeber that religious ppl killed Jesus. Religious ppl are evil for they think they can be like God by their own efforts. Focus on Mt5.3
j919or 5 months ago
He is the quintessential reason why atheist think Christians are ignorant. But this guy is a true idiot.
ososuperpowers 8 months ago
You must be a typical American who does not understand the undertones. Of course the Pope has read the bible, but he doesn't understand the context of it. I agree with "Proof that the pope has not read the bible". The pope may read 90 different languages but he doesn't understand a word and it would be very american of you to read my words literally.
What a shame you guys broke free from United Kingdom of Great Britain 1776, what a wonderful world it would have been :)
sandrower 8 months ago
doesn't matter if he read the bible many times. He clearly missed something. The god of the bible is a voilent maniac.
Bart050384 8 months ago
POPE = PHARISEE !
oside0517 11 months ago
YOU ARE THE LIVING PROFF OF STUPIDITY... How can you miss the point SO MUCH..??! That was CLEARLY a sarcasm to high-light the stupid comment on God's nature being against violence... How can you even defend the Bible with all the proof that is shown to your face of an angry god who kills whoever he wants...???! But you know what to do, of course. You simply do not answer those questions and keep preaching from your blindness...
bluejester28 11 months ago
i really hope this is sarcasm....
so either the bible is wrongly translated....or the papanazi lied when he said violence is against the nature of god.....
which one is it? if it is wrongly translated, why do christians trust it?
sabin97 11 months ago
The pope covers for pedophiles.
356pla 11 months ago
All I have to say is: Who the fuck is this guy, what is he wearing on his face, and why is he promoting idiocy?
CorrosiveDroid 1 year ago
Yeah, the gay comment at the end says it all.
MOPEDBRAD 1 year ago
did you just make fun of him for being who he is ?? you going to hell boy.
izaacstp 1 year ago
CLEARLY you have cool shades/eyeglasses xD
trikillerx 1 year ago
go suck the dick of your pedo pope bitch
seksyen4babyface 1 year ago
This video must be sarcasm, no one's this dumb.
Valcien 1 year ago 11
@Valcien
If only this were true. I undoubtedly believe FatherBilldawg is just that dumb.
futurepsycdoc 1 year ago
Well then according to this video: the English translations of the Bible that so many in America possess is not the real bible. Why then does the Pope and his church let their followers read from and buy a book that is such a flawed twisting of their god's words? Changing the word of God is a sin in and of itself so I don't see why they'd allow this to go on.
TheOrganicartist 1 year ago
YOU have to be kidding, The bible is so full of murder and hate.. for instance. Lot leaves sodom and Gamora then screws his two daughters to save his seed, The promised land was occutpied and they were told to kill everything. YOu obvilously have a veil over your eyes keeping you from seeing the truth that the god of the holly bible is infact a ruthless killer. Read the sick story of job, where god lets Satan take him and do with him what he wilt..This pope gave his life to Hitler as a child.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago 3
Pope neither understands bible nor God , The imaginary friend.
you2ubeist 1 year ago
Clearly missing the point..
He wasn't literally saying he hasn't read the bible..
He was saying that what the pope said wasn't accurate for what the bible actually says..
You never actually refuted what he said.. Is... or is it NOT in gods nature to be violent?
Just read revelations...
thefakeyeti 1 year ago 13
@thefakeyeti Thank you so much for this..This guy even stoops so low to say, are you gay? He just cant back up anything he is saying. funny thing is, if he lived in the promissed land with the canittes, he would have been murdered for no reasson like they were by this all loving gods people that were told to do it by GOD. If this is what heaven looks like, hell looks so much better.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago 2
@thefakeyeti Now that you have conceded that we do not have to take everything written or said literally, will you now please extend the same courtesy to the Bibles. Thank you.
MrWildbill20056 6 months ago
@MrWildbill20056
So god just metaphorically destroyed the world, slaughtered all the first born eygyptions, destroyed sadam and gomora(sp), he wanted the men to METAPHORICALLY rip out the unborn babies and bash them on the rocks...
It all makes sense now, I am ready to convert..
thefakeyeti 6 months ago
@thefakeyeti
He METAPHORICLLY sent a bear to kill a bunch of children because they made fun of a prophets bald head..
Oh and it clearly is a metaphor when god commands the death of homosexuals!
thefakeyeti 6 months ago
@thefakeyeti ""bear to kill a bunch of children""
More twisting of the truth to demonize God. You reveal ur evil nature and justify God in His judgment of u to hell. The 42 youths were likely young men. I think it was 2 bears and two bears cant kill 42 young men. It says that the bears MAULED them. It doesnt say ALL of them and it doesnt say KILL, even though all of them deserved to be killed as do we all. Get in touch with ur evil and repent of it or u will follow it to hell.
j919or 5 months ago
@thefakeyeti ""bear to kill a bunch of children""
More twisting of the truth to demonize God. You reveal ur evil nature and justify God in His judgment of u to hell. The 42 youths were likely young men. I think it was 2 bears and two bears cant kill 42 young men. It says that the bears MAULED them. It doesnt say ALL of them and it doesnt say KILL, even though all of them deserved to be killed as do we all. Get in touch with ur evil and repent of it or u will follow it to hell.
j919or 5 months ago
@thefakeyeti Woah, a world of contextless commentary, good-oh.
Anyway generally all people subject to violence in the Hebrew Bible are offered one or more chances to escape this or turn away from it. This is true of Pharoah and the first born for example.
Remember Pharoah, at any time can avoid this, God doesn't visit it first and ask after.
The ark? It's a myth!
Unborn babies? Context please.
MrWildbill20056 6 months ago
@thefakeyeti ""Just read revelations""
If your goal is entertainment. Actually the reason Revelations was written was to encourage people going thru severe suffering....
1. to have hope in God and not this world
2. to pity the fools that are deceived followers of satan and share the gospel with them
3. to get our lives close to God and filled with His Holy Spirit and power.
j919or 3 months ago
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@j919or Re: “Lets see it” >< Well? What’s happening? Are you going to lollygag or are going to respond to it what I’ve laid out to you about the “Modernist movement” of the 19th century, or when I’ve asked you if you’ve ever read the “Synoptic Gospels” simultaneously? Or rather would you prefer to respond to my replies to you from this very video site “Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4)” from 10/29/11? I could refresh what you ran from. Well?
RRoocckkyy50 3 months ago
Here we see a video of someone who does not get it....rather does not get anything at all. Here is what is REALLY FUNNY, is this guy is claiming the english text varies that much from the original text!? Amazing, so that means every person that reads the english bible is getting the wrong meanings? LMAO, congrats on that one, excuses are like buttholes, everyone has one hahaha.
TheTruthHurtsYup 1 year ago
First of all, you look a bit insane, because you're wearing eyeglasses over your sunglasses, which is not helping your argument. Thank you for making the world a dumber place. Secondly, are you saying that the Pope just out of the blue decided to act like an idiot and say something that contradicted the Bible? was he making a stupid joke or something? Explain that.
Jughead2950 1 year ago 3
FUCK OFF CHRISTIANS WE DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR FAGGY BOOK THAT IS FULL OF ABSOLUTELY USELESS INFORMATION desudesudesudesudesu
Deidara1724 1 year ago
sarcasm: The use of irony or wit to mock or convey contempt. To make a point by stating the opposite. (NOTE: It only works if the listener's smart enough to understand it.)
Example: "The pope has not read the bible."
Sarcasm!
Now: With that established, please explain why the "infallible" pope -- decorated, bible scholar and religious leader to millions -- made a FALSE statement. A bible scholar would know that his statement contradicts the bible, right? Why, then, did he say what he said?
soundsgoodtomeYT 1 year ago
@soundsgoodtomeYT It's not like you can here or see them. its just being typed how am i supposed to look at letters and assume sarcasm?
Seanisa 1 year ago
Biblical scholar, whats that? A profession of making it up whilst you go along?
lizichell 2 years ago 2
So you're saying that god DIDN'T kill all those people in the original texts? Because you sure spent a lot of time trying to dance around the subject.
norrlandsgud 2 years ago
you mean the evil people right those that were sinners: thieves, adulterers, liers, etc those that were inocent were saved.
swordmonkey05 2 years ago
almost forgot do you jnow abput the part about sodom and gamora?
swordmonkey05 2 years ago
Ok, you wrote this two months ago, but it was so incredibly stupid I just had to respond anyways: Why the hell would it matter if the people killed were "good" or "evil"? The question was if killing was against gods nature, which it clearly isnt.
norrlandsgud 2 years ago
@norrlandsgud: Yes God killed them because but that is what justice demands and I don't see that there's something wrong wioth it.
pyre17 1 year ago
@pyre17 THat is sick
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray not at all. Allowing someone to escape from justice is sick.
pyre17 1 year ago