A smart grid is imperative in a carbon restrained economy. The speed is not such a factor as reliability and ownership. The government have to own the fibre backbone and regulate data through it. It is time for an infrastructure overhaul in this area.
In China there was a rally organised largely through social media. I visited just after this happened and found Facebook, YouTube, Twitter etc blocked. We found our way through the filter using proxies and programs. China can't block how can OZ?
I'm surprised at you all, how could you not see Mr Smith's package as a payoff to Telstra to maintain the status quo err I mean revolutionary package to maintain the status quo
The thing is, if Labor get in it is a win for all Australian's as we will all get a state of the art broadband network. They most likely won't have the majority in the senate, therefore the greens and the Libs will vote the filter down. It's win, win for everyone. People should be responsible for censoring their own computers, not the government... unless we live in China.
Oh yeah this is awesome, so do you think if the Greens get in we could stop whoring out all our natural resources, businesses, land, national icons etc... to offshore companies?
Having a decent broadband connection will be great but once the infrastructure is in place how long will it be before we sell it off like we did with Telstra?
I'd like to think my kids can grow up in a country that has retained it's national identity instead of selling it off to the highest bidder. Smart country my arse.
Telstra becomes privatised, Telstra owns the lines, People have problems with the lines, Telstra are not responsible for these problems anymore as they are now privatised. Australia's media is not ready for ultra fast internet, our country relies on live broadcast, they don't want us searching elsewhere for media & entertainment, especially when its free.
Scott Ludlum clearly puts these spin doctors into perspective, it shows labor & liberal are designed to disagree for no reason at all.
To implement fiber to the home the backhaul would need to be upgraded anyway. ADSL2 sync's to the exchange between 7-20mb/s but no one is getting over 3-4mb/s. I haven't heard any future ideas that would need any thing over 12mb/s. It really is the same old Labour spin.....fuzzy promises with a few scare tactics thrown in.
No, "refused classification" is everything YOU don't want to see, dipshit. EVERYONE with half a brain has repeatedly stated a) it will not work; b) no child pornographer is going to have it online c) IT IS CENSORSHIP.
"it's not true, it's not true!" lol, is that all you can say?
The AustralianLabor people wouldn't let me write anything negative in the comments section of their cartoon about Tony Abbott... That's censorship right there...
The AustralianLabor people wouldn't let me write anything negative in the comments section of their cartoon about Tony Abbott... That's censorship right there...
Senator Conroy needs to learn how to say more then three words in a row. Very irritating trying to listen to him. At least i was thinking about how annoying his talking was rather then actually listening to what he was trying to say.
What a refreshing change to hear a 3-way debate with the Greens running rings around both Labour and Liberal speakers. No wonder they are excluded from debates as they are the only ones who make clear, intelligent and relevant sense.Thank you Scott for standing up for the most important issues with a WORKABLE solution
I really want to find a respectful and adult way to call Conroy a bottom burp or a walking prolapse, but it just makes me sound like someone who's insulting him for the hell of it.
He is utterly incompetent. Someone who is in charge of communications should have at least a rudimentary understanding of the technology.
Its the security, stooopid! Wireless is inherently insecure, cable is inherently secure, fer gawd's sake, identify the elephant in the room for us sentients...
@SapperK9 Not just that wireless connections normally have a higher latency rate than what cable does which is what causes slower internet speeds and lag. The liberals alternate plan is just stupid and will cost us more in the long run than the NBN will but then Abbott thinks the term 'Peak Time" is technical speak. I am glad The Greens put these idiots to shame.
@rhart49 Indeed, I've always perceived the movement of data as a three legged milking stool. Two of the legs have priority; Quality and Security, and then Speed. Yet the first two legs of my stool have not entered the Laboral debate?
The Internet Filter is but a bit more grease on the slippery slope to a Big Brother/Nanny State lovechild.
When will Australians wake up and realise that Labor is *not* centre left, Libs and Nats are *not* centre right. All of them are pretty far right and heading further with each election.
Spending so much money on ISP level filtering to block 430 pages is a huge waste of money. It won't make it harder to access those pages at all. There are so many ways to bypass the filter. Anyone looking for that content, will bypass it easily. Conroy is clueless on this issue and needs to be voted out of the senate.
PC based filtering is a silly waste of money too. There's no evidence that parents really want such filtering, and past attempts at providing such tools have failed. Liberal's broadband plan is just pathetic. 12Mbps for 97% is lame. It won't open up significant commercial opportunities for content delivery, and is behind the rest of the world. It's just too slow. High speed fibre is essential for the future. Greens and Labor are absolutely right. Liberal haven't got a clear plan; won't deliver.
Conroy lists a bunch of evil things which are RC, and thus will be blocked. But RC isn't restricted to what he listed. If the filter was _only_ for the evil things on Conroy's list then it would be far less objectionable. A major problem with the filter is that RC content is poorly defined and may well include many things which reasonable people would not want to have blocked. This issue was not well addressed in the debate.
Faster broadband will only help to download movies faster......anything else doesn't need faster speeds.......they just don't want people to complain about speeds when they filter and fuck up the internet.......I mean portal
at 42:00 he talks about smart dishwashers, I don't think that sort of thing works over here because of how the industry and regulation is set up. not to mention that smart grid technology is in no way dependent and only loosely connected to internet speeds.
If the electricity infrastructure was set up as a smart grid, and you had one of these dishwashers, you wouldn't need any internet faster than 20kbps for that to happily work permanently. 100000kbps won't make the dishwasher wash any cheaper.
he seems to be linking it to fixing everything in Aus. lol it's kinda funny because he dose not know what he is talking about. the internet is not a magic wand, that can cure the sick hahaha what a fool
like how is the filter helping with that? it's blocking not giving XD
you would need to make or bye the programs to do most of this stuff.
Hey. Has that Idiot, Conroy been taking speech lessons from tony blair? I wouldn't ask Conroy to plug in a toaster. the bloke is an absolute moron. Problem is, So to tony Smith. talk about the blind leading the blind.
Conroy wants to upgrade broadband. Put it on a par with the rest of 'developed world. BUT then HE wants to slow it the hell down by placing filters on the damn thing. that way the government will be able to vet EVERY site you visit. If you speak out.........YOU WILL DISAPPEAR.
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GeorgineOlive 1 year ago
Conroy reminds me of Heinrich Himmler, don't like either much.
cyanideisabitterpill 1 year ago
A smart grid is imperative in a carbon restrained economy. The speed is not such a factor as reliability and ownership. The government have to own the fibre backbone and regulate data through it. It is time for an infrastructure overhaul in this area.
In China there was a rally organised largely through social media. I visited just after this happened and found Facebook, YouTube, Twitter etc blocked. We found our way through the filter using proxies and programs. China can't block how can OZ?
electricconversion 1 year ago
I'm surprised at you all, how could you not see Mr Smith's package as a payoff to Telstra to maintain the status quo err I mean revolutionary package to maintain the status quo
sennekuyl 1 year ago
The thing is, if Labor get in it is a win for all Australian's as we will all get a state of the art broadband network. They most likely won't have the majority in the senate, therefore the greens and the Libs will vote the filter down. It's win, win for everyone. People should be responsible for censoring their own computers, not the government... unless we live in China.
singo79 1 year ago
No internet filter ? that just won my vote
Skellingtor 1 year ago
Tony Smith: "Oh, well we support a return to 1950s values, including the relevant approach to broadband technology..."
Great job Sen. Ludlam - you whipped both Smith and Conroy in this debate.
mrjakos 1 year ago
How is it that Australia's 'communications' minister is the most illiterate and incapable of the three? The irony is sickening.
Ludlam completely spanked these two clowns.
ottopotomas 1 year ago 2
we will get beaten... by... the rest... of the world...
chikkachikkaROAR 1 year ago
Oh yeah this is awesome, so do you think if the Greens get in we could stop whoring out all our natural resources, businesses, land, national icons etc... to offshore companies?
Having a decent broadband connection will be great but once the infrastructure is in place how long will it be before we sell it off like we did with Telstra?
I'd like to think my kids can grow up in a country that has retained it's national identity instead of selling it off to the highest bidder. Smart country my arse.
RewdAwakening 1 year ago
Telstra becomes privatised, Telstra owns the lines, People have problems with the lines, Telstra are not responsible for these problems anymore as they are now privatised. Australia's media is not ready for ultra fast internet, our country relies on live broadcast, they don't want us searching elsewhere for media & entertainment, especially when its free.
Scott Ludlum clearly puts these spin doctors into perspective, it shows labor & liberal are designed to disagree for no reason at all.
tommyaceshow 1 year ago 3
To implement fiber to the home the backhaul would need to be upgraded anyway. ADSL2 sync's to the exchange between 7-20mb/s but no one is getting over 3-4mb/s. I haven't heard any future ideas that would need any thing over 12mb/s. It really is the same old Labour spin.....fuzzy promises with a few scare tactics thrown in.
agromantis 1 year ago
Greens FTW. Completely owned Labor and Liberal.
RHWiRED 1 year ago 6
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ITT Conboy gets owned in regards to the filter
No, "refused classification" is everything YOU don't want to see, dipshit. EVERYONE with half a brain has repeatedly stated a) it will not work; b) no child pornographer is going to have it online c) IT IS CENSORSHIP.
"it's not true, it's not true!" lol, is that all you can say?
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Sammyy21 1 year ago
Nice talking, Sen. Conroy. You got my vote! ;-)
P.S. (For Conroy's benefit) Confused? Look sideways at it. You'll find it's actually a smiley face! :-)
bassowl 1 year ago
$43 billion so 'working families' can download pirated content faster is meant to improve productivity?
Delofox 1 year ago
Oh i just wish they knew what they where talking about..
It would be nice for me to get adsl 1 in my city...before a nbn
TrueBlueAustralian 1 year ago
Someone please tell me - What the Hell is a Fibre Optic Backwall?!?!
ruckyboy 1 year ago
@ruckyboy
It was 'back haul' or behind the scenes movement.
sennekuyl 1 year ago
@sennekuyl
Yeah, I know what backhaul is, just thought I heard Smith calling it a backwall :D
ruckyboy 1 year ago
@ruckyboy he did.
>: \
are you going to accuse our politicians of not knowing basic terminology in their portfolio?
sennekuyl 1 year ago
@ruckyboy Ummm im pretty sure they said backBONE, this is refering to the fibre optic cables that connect each node to eachother.
wikit123 1 year ago
Senator Conroy needs to learn how to say more then three words in a row. Very irritating trying to listen to him. At least i was thinking about how annoying his talking was rather then actually listening to what he was trying to say.
austzombie 1 year ago
What a refreshing change to hear a 3-way debate with the Greens running rings around both Labour and Liberal speakers. No wonder they are excluded from debates as they are the only ones who make clear, intelligent and relevant sense.Thank you Scott for standing up for the most important issues with a WORKABLE solution
cazcarolwhite 1 year ago 16
I really want to find a respectful and adult way to call Conroy a bottom burp or a walking prolapse, but it just makes me sound like someone who's insulting him for the hell of it.
He is utterly incompetent. Someone who is in charge of communications should have at least a rudimentary understanding of the technology.
Zebonka 1 year ago 3
Scott Ludlum is clearly the most articulate and experienced in his debate about these technologies.
candyspender 1 year ago 19
Its the security, stooopid! Wireless is inherently insecure, cable is inherently secure, fer gawd's sake, identify the elephant in the room for us sentients...
SapperK9 1 year ago
@SapperK9 Not just that wireless connections normally have a higher latency rate than what cable does which is what causes slower internet speeds and lag. The liberals alternate plan is just stupid and will cost us more in the long run than the NBN will but then Abbott thinks the term 'Peak Time" is technical speak. I am glad The Greens put these idiots to shame.
rhart49 1 year ago
@rhart49 Indeed, I've always perceived the movement of data as a three legged milking stool. Two of the legs have priority; Quality and Security, and then Speed. Yet the first two legs of my stool have not entered the Laboral debate?
SapperK9 1 year ago
The Internet Filter is but a bit more grease on the slippery slope to a Big Brother/Nanny State lovechild.
When will Australians wake up and realise that Labor is *not* centre left, Libs and Nats are *not* centre right. All of them are pretty far right and heading further with each election.
cyclicmojo 1 year ago 5
Mr Conroy. None of these nations have a MANDATORY filter
Sonnabend00 1 year ago
Mr Conroy:Korea. North or South?
Sonnabend00 1 year ago
@Sonnabend00 South Korean speed, North Korean Filtering
AnthonyBx77 1 year ago
Spending so much money on ISP level filtering to block 430 pages is a huge waste of money. It won't make it harder to access those pages at all. There are so many ways to bypass the filter. Anyone looking for that content, will bypass it easily. Conroy is clueless on this issue and needs to be voted out of the senate.
lachlanhunt 1 year ago 5
PC based filtering is a silly waste of money too. There's no evidence that parents really want such filtering, and past attempts at providing such tools have failed. Liberal's broadband plan is just pathetic. 12Mbps for 97% is lame. It won't open up significant commercial opportunities for content delivery, and is behind the rest of the world. It's just too slow. High speed fibre is essential for the future. Greens and Labor are absolutely right. Liberal haven't got a clear plan; won't deliver.
lachlanhunt 1 year ago
Conroy lists a bunch of evil things which are RC, and thus will be blocked. But RC isn't restricted to what he listed. If the filter was _only_ for the evil things on Conroy's list then it would be far less objectionable. A major problem with the filter is that RC content is poorly defined and may well include many things which reasonable people would not want to have blocked. This issue was not well addressed in the debate.
blind3rdeye 1 year ago 4
Faster broadband will only help to download movies faster......anything else doesn't need faster speeds.......they just don't want people to complain about speeds when they filter and fuck up the internet.......I mean portal
drukenhard 1 year ago
at 42:00 he talks about smart dishwashers, I don't think that sort of thing works over here because of how the industry and regulation is set up. not to mention that smart grid technology is in no way dependent and only loosely connected to internet speeds.
If the electricity infrastructure was set up as a smart grid, and you had one of these dishwashers, you wouldn't need any internet faster than 20kbps for that to happily work permanently. 100000kbps won't make the dishwasher wash any cheaper.
Coagmano 1 year ago
press any key to bypass the filter.
just because he speaks like William Shatner, doesn't mean he knows his tek....
AnarchyEnsues 1 year ago
he seems to be linking it to fixing everything in Aus. lol it's kinda funny because he dose not know what he is talking about. the internet is not a magic wand, that can cure the sick hahaha what a fool
like how is the filter helping with that? it's blocking not giving XD
you would need to make or bye the programs to do most of this stuff.
ZeLroy 1 year ago
Hey. Has that Idiot, Conroy been taking speech lessons from tony blair? I wouldn't ask Conroy to plug in a toaster. the bloke is an absolute moron. Problem is, So to tony Smith. talk about the blind leading the blind.
Conroy wants to upgrade broadband. Put it on a par with the rest of 'developed world. BUT then HE wants to slow it the hell down by placing filters on the damn thing. that way the government will be able to vet EVERY site you visit. If you speak out.........YOU WILL DISAPPEAR.
slatibaadfast 1 year ago
we need to get updated with our technology we seem to be so far behind from the rest of the world
jarrodhaines89 1 year ago