13H Refutes CCHR: IOD (part 4 intro) Eugenics & Nazi claims

[Mrscientificmethod]

Do a google search 'Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lessons for the modern professional'. Read the article that you find. In Europe we have a memorial day in which we remember those half a million people who were murdered by psychiatrists in Germany. Not forgetting the millions up to the 1970's who were forcibly sterilised. You have not learned your history. And the mistakes shown by history that is not learned and understood will be repeated. I am disgusted by your propoganda.

[13Heathens]

@Mrscientificmethod "I am disgusted by your propoganda"

And I'm disgusted by yours. Are you aware that when the orders came down from the ministry of propaganda in Germany than many of the psychiatrists that were told to examine people for 'defect' went to great extremes to not only sure they were productive, but to help them find work etc. And once again there's a difference between the Eugenics movement and Psychiatry... why am I bothering?

[Mrscientificmethod]

@13Heathens What is well documented is that in 1942 Hitler had to order the psychiatrists.. and other medical scientists.. to stop their massacre of those deemed mentally 'unhealthy' (What does mental 'health' actually mean?) This was because many soldiers returning from the war front found many members of their family had disappeared. Psychiatry (invented by Germans) was dictating the Nazi direction in a way Hitler found uncomfortable.

[Mrscientificmethod]

I am not saying that many individual psychiatrists did not assist in resisting those ideas and that many in the medical field opposed them. Most emigrated after being dismissed from acedemic institutions. Szasz was one of those... I also refute your view that there is a difference between eugenics... the breeding of a master race... and psychiatry. The DSM epitomises bad behaviour in a moral sense. It describes 'deviancy' as a mental 'disorder' . Read it.

[Mrscientificmethod]

So for example ADHD is a mental disorder described by the state controlled schools as behaviour which schools want to eradicate. 'Running and climbing trees inappropriately.' Inappropriate to whom? School or the child's view? 'Not paying attention or listening to teacher'? Why should I when I am not interested? 'Fidgeting or not being able to sit still for 8 hours a day'? Is this a natural state or society imposed? ADHD is a fraud and an inhumane response to childhood.

[13Heathens]

@nicolastuart100 "eugenics can be said to have caused the mass murder of millions"

I'd argue with that, honestly. If the term Eugenics had never been coined, if Francis Galton had never written his book, and California had never hidden behind the banner of Eugenics to remove the "undesired"members of the population, do you really believe that the holocaust wouldn't have happened?

[13Heathens]

@nicolastuart100 ... Huh? It would appear that you missed what I was saying entirely .. Let me try to spell it out;

The creationists (intelligent design advocates) have been attempting to blame Eugenics on the theory of evolution. The Scientologists (CCHR & their movie) are blaming the field of psychiatry for Eugenics. Both claims are bullshit. as you said; "Eugenics can be said to be the cause of the atrocities.."

[drreedindeed]

The Holocaust did happen and was horrible beyond imaging or that film clips can show. Don't turn away from that truth

Eugenics IS a pseudo-science.

Psychiatry is the management of mental illness or imbalance through chemical means. Not therapy or behavior modification. And has more than it's share of innocent blood on it's hands. There is more than enough reason to be suspicious of it and Big Pharma's motives.

If you hate Scientology, just say so and attack them based upon their core beliefs.

[travis94falle]

Your voice is intense dude

[MrDart]

Fucking scientologists are disgusting.

[lostinthelandoflies]

Fucking psychiologists are just as disgusting...

[MrDart]

No.

[lostinthelandoflies]

Psychiatry - over 300 hundred years of torture and abuse and despicable surgery on millions of powerless and incarcerated victims without one ounce of scientific proof. Compared to that, $cientologists are tame... ;-)

[13Heathens]

The same can be said of dentistry, medicine, government, science, business..

[lostinthelandoflies]

I can't believe you mean that. Government maybe.... ;-) Medicine and science have revolutionised our lives over the last 200 years. Look now at our modern life expectancy. Dentistry has made many steps to resolve what can be life threatening disease and I have seen the difference myself over 40 years. But psychiatry?? Name one single cure it has produced. One major achievement.....

[lostinthelandoflies]

Also I can't believe you missed off religion! You a Christian then?? But you aint gonna rile me tonight.. I'm chillin... ;-)

[lostinthelandoflies]

And in the light of day.. I realise this whole set of vids is just a sham to piss off the scientists and rationalists to evoke a response and piss them off! Your intro music is good eh? Wonder what that song is about?? Nice one! Irony at its best... cheers!!

[lostinthelandoflies]

I do admire you!!! This series is the finest, cleverest example of trolling I have come across on the net. Even beats the online edition of the DSM! Well done! Ha!

[lostinthelandoflies]

And more funny than Edward Current! ;-) Scientists and scientologists both sending death threats!! Hey... for your next project... how about getting all the Christians and Muslims and Jews and atheists to argue!! Careful about the death threats tho.. they tend to be nuclear! Cheers!

[13Heathens]

You're pretty close to the mark with that. There are huge problems with the psychiatric industry, and There are plenty of real issues, and some serious reforms are needed.

Sadly, at this juncture it's all we have.. Although some of the advancements of Neural Psychology sound promising.

However denying that there are those that suffer from deep rooted psychiatric issues (ie Szasz) is detrimental to those that do have legitimate problems.

[lostinthelandoflies]

Thanks. I suffer from IID...(insufficient irony detection) which apparantly affects 99.9% of the population without them even realising. It is not deep rooted yet tho. My psychiatrist assures me he can cure this with copious amounts of a specific drug and, although this has not been 'scientifically' proven yet, he is confident that a positive outcome will occur. I can't wait to see what this new drug will do. Alex Shulgin is the pioneer. What do you think?

[13Heathens]

There's no point even mentioning the atrocities of religion. The pages of history have been so stained by the blood of adherents, I didn't think it was worth pointing out.

[13Heathens]

The idea of actually treating the insane didn't come about until the 1800, and the first treatments with any success didn't come around until about the 1930;s (each of those early treatments having less than 15% chance of success.

In modern days, in part through psychiatry, the persecution of the mentally ill has reduced greatly. Also do to treatment changes, hospitalization is a last resort instead of the only option, as it was was less that 100 years ago.

[aboutthisproduct]

Scientology has gone to far when mentioning the Holocaust. If they had any sense of human decency they would remove, and apologize for adding one of the worst chapters in human history for there own personal gain.

[grifin34]

what hubbard is saying is,hitler got to greedy

[scrumpmonkey]

i see xeumetv is nowhere to be seen :D

God! i hate the Co$ twisting the most horrific chapter in human history to their own purposes! it honestly makes me see why J.S. blew at Tommy, this is fucking disgusting.

I mean I find normal holocaust images hard to bare but this is on a whole other level, i just want to grab a Scientology and scream at them about how they can buy into this shit!

[yetmoreanons86]

no it's back

[MARYBLEUZ]

Thank you for bringing this horrific video of the CULT for all to see. It is truely a mind twisiting crock of shit! I applaud you for being able to watch it, and look forward to your commentary, this truely needs to be "picked apart" to expose the CCHR and its propaganda!

[caekisalie]

Sorry I am late with commenting ;-)

But this ias also a good one, and again you hit the right tone on it

[songssssssssss]

great video , keep em coming.

[TheEvilOfScientology]

It's always a privilege to see complete bullshit expertly ripped apart by an open, free & enquiring mind. Well done 13H, for this, and all your other videos. 5/5*

[WBMBacker]

It just gets better!... Keep them coming!... the light of rational logic dispels this crap like roaches under a flashlight!

[LadyXenu]

5 Stars! *****.......And Scientology..don't even think of banning this channel......"Heads will Roll"......This is the best info on Scientology ever!...WE LOVE OUR Heathens & RED!

HUgs*

[epro1]

where did you get this dvd?

i went on the website but you have to fill out alot of details to get it and i personally don't want to give the scientologists my home address or phone numbers.

i really want to show this propaganda to my psychology professor.... she'll get a few kicks out of it

[dutchfagadam]

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[epro1]

thanks, this is going to be a fun afternoon

[CrazyDelaney]

Perhaps it is just me but the Hitler quote is a bit hard to read.... I got the gist of it though.

[tenshirei]

I'm glad Ben Stein's movie has been almost universally denounced as technically crappy in addition to factually spurious; I'd be very interested in seeing you pick apart his turd of a film.

Thanks as always for your insight on this piece of insanity. I'm afraid I'd do worse than John Sweeney were I ever to be subjected to it in full.

Looking forward to Red's return as well!

[laladiel]

maybe someone should point out the hitler quote to one of the people who come out to try and "handle" anonymous at the next protest.

[laladiel]

also, very good video.:)

[TristanPEJ]

i love these seriously

[soulinite]

The Toronto org was shut down today by a mini raid!

Hail Xenu! Great work!

[Gothichell]

Awesome! I guess thay can't take it anymore.:)