The reality of the unseen world, viz the ethereal and spiritual world is more great than the reality of the seen world. The unseen world ethereal and spiritual represent 96% from the Universe's matter and the spiritual world from the round of the Earth represent 99.9%, viz for each human spirit embodied on Earth exist in the skies from the round Earth approximately 1000 of spirits!
The dust of subatomic particles resulted after the collisions in LHC are particles of ethereal matter, even that the physicists give not them permission of existence! The electrical discharge to one Tesla coil was made and in a basin with water. Great was the surprise that the electrical discharge of the particles of electrical ether in water has the same ARBORESCENT SHAPE - proving the existence, and in water of the primary ethereal gravitational field.
From 1967 I analyse with attention all published experiments concerning the accelerators of particles and the controlled thermonuclear fusion, moreover and the scriptural and paleoastronautical information. I had made only a logical and rational synthesis of the applied science, therefore my brothers- you block not the your sites and my computer. Please you to support me, how long, I still can produce such information.
Now, were collided particles in LHC and you seen that is nothimg: none Higgs boson, none Big-Bang, neither black holes, but only thousands of shards of ethereal particles.Therefore, now -return you physicists from your distraction at Isaac Newton with his universal attraction law= THE UNIFIED LAW OF THE MATTERS AND FORCES, at the eliminated ETHER by Einstein, at the unseen world of the ethereal and spiritual matters which fill up the Cosmos, and return you at the Lord- at God!
The physicists show that about the discovery the Higgs boson it desire and the discovery the origins of the bodies'mass; the discovery the dark matter, the discovery the superior dimensions and the demonstration of the superposition. But as a result to the collisions of particles- the black holes had appeared not, the Big-Bang had appeared not demonstrating that the Large Hadron Collider bring not about us the Apocalipse.
It say: with the exception of the Higgs boson all the predicted particles of Standard Model were detected and the them properties were measured with precision. The Standard Model of particles to arrived let be verified, but, if the Higgs boson is not finded, then the Standard Model and the others models will be necessary to be reconstruct from zero.
In 1964 physicist Peter Higgs has thinked existence to one energetic field which penetrate whole Universe, and named it "Higgs field" and his particles named "Higgs boson"and that these can give mass the subatomic particles.Thus appear the necessity as in the CERN-frame let it construct an accelerator more big: the LARGE HADRON COLLIDER,which made the first collisions of particles in 14 December 2009, afterwards in 2010, in 2011 and they uncovered not the Higgs boson particles
The movement of the celestial bodies in Cosmos demonstrates that these it can not maintain in the existent formation if not would exist and another matter which let complete and fill up the Cosmos. And this unknown matter, which is the eliminated ETHER- they named she: dark matter and dark energy, which is in proportion of 96% from the Cosmos's mass.
Already the protons, neutrons and electrons are formed through condensation and concentration of the etehreal particles. But how the ETHER has eliminated from physics, the physicists had invented the Standard Model of the particles and them forces excluding the gravity. Thus for to comprise and the gravity with her particles and forces they had invented and the strings theory.
The materials seem to be complicated and irregular at the sight with the free eye. But at microscope they it show simple and orderly. All the material shapes: animal. vegetal and mineral are made from atoms and these only from three constituents: protons, neutrons and electrons. The photon of light we see it and the photon of heat we feel it, but the ethereal particles are more small, of a few thousands time; we see not them now, but the our spirits see them.
If in 1905 Einstein excludes the ETHER from physics, viz excludes the intergalactic matter, then the his disciples arrive with the relativity theory at Big-Bang, at black holes, holes of worm, at singularity and today at travel in time. Thus the great explosion of George Gamov and his fellows R.A.Ipher and R.C.Hermann, become cosmological standardized theory which is one great bluff!
Between 1930...1935 the discord was photon of light.The opinion of physicists had not adopted existence in flight to photon, and photon remain without mass. If photon has not mass, he cannot interact with nothing on trajectory and the light speed remain constant lengthways the trajectory. Thus, in place let to consider that the photons lose themselves the speed on way as result the them interaction with the intergalactic matter, they had set the Universe let it dilate entirely
Today in front of our eyes and of the observation apparatuses it succedes all evolution phases of the celestial bodies, stars and galaxies. An evidence that the Universe doesn't seems to have an explosive beginning and doesn't seems to have ever an end in the his entirely. The facts demonstrates that in Universe the cyclical creation has place continuously in certain parts, and can has not place total creation in the same time in all the mass of the Universe.
As early as the time of Michael Faraday at scientific problems in contradiction, academical circles decided victory the some or another.In this optics of domination of certain conceptions: philosophical, theological and of other principles, in science had penetrated mistaken and fallacious theories, and the impossibility of immediate verification, to leaded at the creation others abstractings which had blocked the road of the scientific innovation with practical applications.
Today, on measure that the theory advances from classic mechanics to the quantum mechanics the particle and the wave are gradual dematerialize. The modern physics is blocked by enunciation of some laws and mistaken principles as: relativity theory, Hubble's law, postulation that the atom can't emit and absorb radiations continously, admitting the postulate what claims the photons without mass a.s.o. These guide- us at supernatural and at the technical and technological blocage
Nikola Tesla argued that:" I hold that the space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can has not properties. Of properties it can speak only when it work with the matter which fill up the space. The empty space it can not curve because- something- can not action about -nothing". This relativity proceed from a philosophical direction, on which A.Einstein produce her when he was found in a state of technical and religious confusion.
Einstein ignore and vex over 100 of men of science which had signed a petition in which they upholded that the his relativity theory is wrongly. It renounce at the absolute space and absolute time, it arrive at the Lorentz-Einstein's transformations through the introduction to two factors- subunitary and superunitary what lead at the infinte mass phantoms, at the infinte energy phantoms and at the infinte impuls phantoms when a body or particle would touch the light speed.
As a result of the wrong interpretation of the Michelsom-Morley(1881)'s experiments which had demonstrated that the ETHER is entirely trained with the mass and the Earth's atmosphere, in 1905 A.Einstein renounced at the ether notion, at absolute space and set the relativist mecanics' base. He emits the two restricted relativity principles through which excludes the Ether, impose as limit of bodies' movement -the light speed and denatured completely the classic dynamics reality
Thus, the primary gravitational field it manifest as a solid body for the electrical ether and the electromagnetic phenomenons, and in the same time it manifest as a fluid body for the ethereal concentrated bodies and for the chemical bodies. We perceive the secondary gravitational field among the astral bodies. and in the electrical unloading's case which are ARBORESCENT we perceive and the primary gravitational field of the primary electrogenic particles.
But celestial sources say us that whole Cosmos is filled with a dense powder of alive ethereal and electrogenic particles, and among they are streams of particles and more small because gravitational primary attraction among they, constituting primary gravitational field.But more exist,in the same space and secundary gravitational field produced by the ethereal concentrated particles in the ethereal bodies and in the chemical bodies which are neutral from electrical viewpoint.
With much before Einstein, J.C.Maxwell starts from a mental experience, says that he generalize the Faraday's Electric Induction law and exclaims that the transmited wave would be a successive creation of magnetic fields and electric fields perpendicular between them and on the propagation direction. Since then it preachs the transmission of the electromagnetic wave at thousands kilometres without material suport.
Leibnitz(1646...1716) German scientist, forerunner of the mathematical logic, through the denial the newtonian space- time is and he a forerunner of the Einstein's relativity. Einstein considers the gravity as a property of the space and not in the least as a property of the matter which fill up this space. The Einstein's relativity is a geometrization of the space.
In the century XIX, the new scholars: Coulomb, Laplace, Ampere, Poisson, Green, Gauss, Webwer etc., had holded the action's theory at distance without material support, and they support only the mathematical abstracted theories. The science already started let it cover more much with the theory than with the practice.
The theory without logic and reason is and remain an non-reality.The science is at beginning a theory, but has logic and reason and become true after the her practical realisation.The space it stretch in Infinite and the time come from Infinite and it stretch in Infinite marking the reality of the ours material world seen and unseen.The faithless man believe not that exist the God with the our world seen and unseen and then this man can not think and judge with real elements.
A.Einstein through the his relativity to REVERSED the reality of the our terresterial world. He remove the ETHER from physics and give materiality the space and the time. But the SPACE limit the place where it can unfolding material actions and the TIME mark the period of unfolding to some material actions. The space and the time are only ABSTRACT notions, absolute and colateral which show where and when it unfolding certain material actions.
The theorist physicist omit to study the science's history as let understand the things and phenomenons, but they learn only the exposed theory for to obtain a diploma, afterwards they twitter. We must let understand the science and how it was builded. Einstein has and good parts, but those mistaken are catastrophic. But Einstein was not single in the supporting the mistakes.
The theoretical mistakes from centuries XIX and XX, had been amplified and had passed noisily in century XXI. Many experiments and terrestrial and extraterrestrial observations was wrongly interpreted because theoretical physics indoctrinated with Einstein's relativity.Thus was started the investigation of subatomic particles without ethereal matters and was started the building of the ITER without to know the electrical ether and his role in the working of the magnetic trap
The heavenly embodied world together with the heavenly unembodied world or free spirits- they had created and spreated- us on all the Earth surface, they had mixed- us and raised ones against another; they created us at a certain moment certain problems on which we must solve for can exist as terrestrial embodied beings, for gain our experience and our world personality.
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P.P.S. The Big Bang it's only a theory. And if it's not true, this experiment may mean nothing ... And the bad thing is that every cause has an effect ...
@cheloo How in the world do you say, "if it's not true, this experiment may mean nothing"? OF COURSE it means something--it's going to prove something huge either way. As KatAlpine said, if there is no Higgs Boson, we'll know something in our Standard Model has gone awry, and that will be an enormous leap forward in our understanding, either way.
P.S. Do we know how the pyramids were built? No. But I still want to see the next moment after the big bang, maybe that will show us how the egyptian sent a very very small stone through a particle beam and that stone increased its size and made a piramid. Hurray, puzzle complete .... NOT !!!!
In my opinion, it is a waste of money. This world can offer us more than we can think. But no, we want to understand the whole universe. We paid milions for that experiment, but still, out there are people that are starving. WHY? Simple, cause in this mode they can control them and us. What saudi, do you want food? Give us petrol. What african, do you want water? Give us gold. And the list can continue.
@cheloo This is a typical anti-science, anti-human attitude. The entire LHC cost a small fraction of the Pentagon's yearly budget, but you don't mention that, only this science experiment that will better the lives of everyone.
Too bad that it will never work, trying to recreate the big bang by colliding 2 protons or 2 lead nuclei together is the macrocosmic equivalent of colliding 2 planets together, all that your are gona see is a tiny crash. To recreate the big bang you have to find the smallest particles and collide them, which is impossible since the universe is infinite, you cut an atom in half you get 2 smaller atoms, cut them again you get even smaller 4 atoms. What a huge waste of money....
@Christopher1987uk The LHC has other purposes than figuring out the big bang. It may lead to discoveries that will change our understanding of the universe completely. Furthermore, it can open doors to new technology, god knows we'll need it.
@VikingBlud I sure hope so. Just as long as military organisations dont get the knowledge and take advantage to build any more weapons I am happy, last time there was a significant scientific breakthrough in physics looks what happened. Entire ecosystems were destroyed :(
@MillyVanillification well from what I have been reading all over the news and daily newspapers in England it seems like they are..... maybe its just press as usual, they tend to blow everything out of proportion.
I can tell you why they enjoy pushing at the boundaries of science beyone which they know NOTHING about....its because they're funded by a small group of elitists on this planet that want the technology to be able to LEAVE everyone else BEHIND alone to die so they (the elite) are able to advance the human species.
I agree. Why scientists are doing this? That is not very important at the moment!
For gods sake can't they see what they doing? Overpopulation, starving, ozone layer, few dollars worth more than life of many.... this is what we can thank scientists for. Why to look for more problems if we have so many of them already waiting to sort out?
These are only a tiny fraction of the world's scientists. The scientific world hasn't abandoned us. There are still countless researchers trying to fix things.
Meanwhile, this experiment is pushing at the boundaries of science. There's no telling what we could learn from this, and what good could come from that knowledge.
And those things you listed are problems caused by greed and ignorance. Science did not cause them.
WOW...you Scientific a-holes always wanting Points and answers and shit. Well us REAL folks just like to say random stuff out of no where with no point at all. Take that Doc.
There is so much useless people in this world, they should used the money on making a new country where that people can go and do nothing all the day till they realice they need to eat and then RIP because of their stupidity.
@detimarin Interesting...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
@tjohn1986 Interesting, no gratitude...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
Yeah, they should have used the money on making a web site where really fucking stupid people can make dumb fucking comments about how others waste money.
@jabahut1, you commenting that this "was a waste of money" is trolling. You have no other reason to be here than to cause grief for people.
The unfortunate side effect of stupidity is not knowing you are stupid. When you can contribute something other than reasons for people to insult you, then you won't be trolling.
I am glad to see scientists from all over the world working together on something peaceful than on bigger bombs. Though your comments might cause me to reconsider.
@evilsinz peaceful? the same fucking moron that just called me stupid. Get your head out of your ass troll. You have no idea what your talking about. Stop wasting my time just becuase your insecure. Calling another person stupid doesn't insult them it just makes you look stupid. Log off your computer and find a job, stop pestering me about your insecurities.
You think its a waste of money, so why the fuck are you here? Just to tell everybody you think its a waste of money? Well its god damn obvious its not a waste of money for some people. And it isn't your money, so fuck off.
Do you just write the first dumbshit that comes to mind? That I'm pestering you because of my insecurities (wtf)? I need a job? Calling me a troll for attacking you for trolling? Fuck dude, pull your own head out of your ass. You are the troll, now begone.
@jabahut1 Interesting...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
@Mrhoder123 Interesting...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
@BreachedWall What does that have to do with the LHC? Are you saying because someone who works for CERN thought up hypertext we have to throw billions at them in thanks? I guess only time will tell if the 10 billion dollars was well spent or just a giant waste of money. My guess is the later.
Oh, I forgot... I can't criticize science experiments because scientists invented everything.
@Mrhoder123 I'm saying that the challenges presented by the massive undertaking of building the LHC have resulted in revolutionary discoveries. Thus to claim that building it will be a waste of money is ridiculous. Whenever brilliant minds push technology to its limit, fantastic discoveries are made. It has been true throughout history. And many of the greatest discoveries have been made unintentionally.
And finally, the Universe is a beautiful place. Understanding it is more beautiful still.
@Mrhoder123 Give them some time! When Einstein discovered the general theory of relativity, it took quite a while till someone could put it to good use. But to entertain your argument, lets look at the accelerator at Fermilab. It took a while to build, lots of money, no specific aims to benefit mankind, But what came out of it?
Lets take a look: MRI scanners used to save millions of lives were invented, revolutions in x-ray cancer therapy, PET scans, revolutions in computer analysis...
@BreachedWall technique to monitor the non-proliferation of nuclear waste, advancements in power transmission, magnetically levitating trains, synchrotron allowing for analysis of protein structure, silicon strip detectors to understand turbulence, food sterilization, medical isotope production, ion implantation for strengthening materials, curing of epoxies and plastics, remote operation of complex facilities and scanning of shipping containers to name but a few.
@BreachedWall The LHC is far more advanced than Fermilab's accelerator. Thus it is practically inevitable that through pushing technology to its limit, even more breathtaking discoveries will be made.
But even if they aren't, our fundamental understanding of the Universe will have improved. And that is a beautiful thing in itself.
Get off the computer then, idiot. Because guess what - it was made by scientists. Oh, and what about electricity and cars and aeroplanes? Scientists have accomplished amazing things and they don't deserve to have fools like you being disrespectful.
If you don't like science, go back to the stone-age, because evidently that is where you belong.
@BreachedWall Science used to accomplish amazing things. Now science is all about profit, control, distraction, eugenics and ultimately power. You think anyone would be gutted if computers and cars never existed? What you never had you never miss...
@fatalist6o9 Absolute nonsense. At least give me some evidence to back your claims. What about the revolutionary new developments in recent years to treat disease? Oh, and what about all the massive benefits computers and vehicles have given in terms of organisation and aid?
If you don't like cars and computers - don't use them. If you want a life expectancy of 20 years, go ahead and be my guest.
@BreachedWall With disease, the key word is treat. Always treatment, rarely a cure because a proper cure would not be so profitable. Science won't make you live longer. A proper diet and attitude will. Vehicles and computers are only deemed necessary because their uses have been woven into society in many ways. I do like cars and computers, that's not the point though...
@fatalist6o9 Actually, in Britain, the government pays for healthcare - so its free for everybody. The government also funds research. So it's in the governments own interest to provide long-term cures - as that will save it money in the long run.
Science will make you live longer. Revolutions in sanitation, agriculture and immunisation have save hundreds of millions of lives. In the past, death from disease was vastly more common because so many more people caught it.
@fatalist6o9 Whenever someone says 'the government pays for this', obviously what they mean is that the people get taxed more and the money the government takes from the people is used to pay for healthcare. Obviously I didn't mean that money came out of nowhere.
So your comment doesn't affect my point. It is still as correct as ever.
@fatalist6o9 ...in the past, most of the population didn't have food on their tables, but scientific revolutions in agriculture now allow vast amounts of food to be produced per acre of land, also the reason why most of the population can survive without being farmers. Sanitation has wiped out diseases such as the plague, and immunisation has wiped out diseases such as smallpox.
And you do like cars and computers which came from scientific advancement - often not from a predictable direction.
Couldn't they work it out through maths - with a pen and paper and an inspired mind! It seems to me a roundabout way of doing science! And an expensive one! The greatest scientific minds of the past would have worked everything out by maths!
The GSMs of the past didn't have the sort of maths we have now. And they would have devised an experiment. Maths may have been used to model events for hypothesis generation but the science would still have required at least one experiment.
@psychobollox OK but suppose we couldn't have made this ludicrously expensive experiment -are you telling me that there is no other way to come up with the required knowledge? How about a pen paper and an inspired genius?!
Pen and paper and inspired genius might model a process. It wouldn't come anywhere close to adding to our knowledge without some regimented/structured investigation.
I'm just curious as to whether this ludicrously expensive experiment is due a lack of direction and inspiration in the scientific world?! I'm wondering if it is masking something? What so hard to understand about that?!
And I'm telling you that it's not about a lack of direction or inspiration.
The mathematical modelling has been done already and the Higgs boson has been posited as possibly existing. The maths doesn't work unless the boson does. A bit like the neutrino issue: the mathematical work was done but that did not demonstrate the existence of the neutrino. That had to be demonstrated by experiment.
@psychobollox I'm not so sure about that! It seems clumsy to me. I'll bet you some clever genius could have sorted the problem out - mathematically! I mean what's the next experiment supposed to be? - and is there enough money in the world to fund it? Where will this all end! Can't scientists be a little more efficient in their discoveries - which we have yet to have from this collider. Oh well.
I understand the issue on money. As for efficiency in science, it's about as efficient as it can get just now. Mathematics can help to generate hypotheses to test, but the experiment is the gold standard because only that will provide the data that forms the evidence to support or refute a theory (or certain aspects of it). We seem to live in an age of instant gratification: demand for instant results. We won't get instant results from scientific research. Wouldn't be science.
@psychobollox It's not just the money - it is not the right way to go about science! And the maths could have been put to the test in a carefully devised clever experiment based on the expected results - which would either prove or disprove the theory and other deductions! You just don't replicate the real world full scale for experiment - not unless you have more money than imagination!
Wrong. I wish - economically - that you were right, but you're not. Science isn't cheap. And the problem with modelling is that the model is never actually a complete representation of what reality might be, so the experiment is essential for gathering data ... and replication studies are essential to check the validity of the model ... no check, no guarantee of validity. And remember - science has no proofs - only mathematics has proofs.
Not true - you can check the validity of data in many ways - by devising simple tests based on your hypotheses - and seeing if you get the desired results! That's the way scientists have always done things! Seems like todays scientists have their ingenuity blocked by having too much readily available cash! Science has proofs - if it works its true ie if it can be applied to some useful purpose. There is no skill or imagination in this experiment!
Simple tests? I'd like to see that happen! And be useful....
And natural science does not have proofs. The aim is to provide data as evidence to support or refute theory by the testing of hypotheses. No more, no less. Only mathematics has proofs. And no matter how often you repeat your misunderstanding, you will not make it any more true: this whole idea of 'if it works it's true'... forget it. In science, you try to find reasons to reject your alternative hypothesis.
Of course if it works it is true! You are not going to discount some brilliant new discovery that leads to ingenius invention after ingenius invention! That's proof enough of its validity! And all I'm saying about this experiment is that is it a straight replication of the natural world - to see what happens! cos they couldn't work it out by maths or theoretical physics! Not good enough!
@amaqula Oh, and if you think it can be done, I say go for it!
Why not study mathematics to an advanced level and create the theory yourself? That would be a highly impressive thing to do. Sometimes I wonder if I myself would dare venture into such an arena.
No proof for String theory has been found yet - and some scientists are calling for research on it to end - they fear it is a dead end! If you can't do the maths - then you are like the poor little student in every primary maths class that can't figure out how to get the area of a triangle - so draws it out and counts the squares! That is what these collider scientists are a bit like! I can't do the maths- but then I don't call myself a scientist!
@amaqula This is ridiculous. These physicists are among the cleverest people in the whole world. They're pushing intellectual pursuit to its limit and you're whining about how they should be even cleverer.
And you are so hypocritical. You say that no proof for string theory has been found and yet you counter any attempts to find some proof! Have you never encountered the idea of evidence? Sorry to burst your bubble but you can't work out all the laws of the Universe just through maths.
They are clever - but that alone is not enough obviously! To take us further along the road of science - to make that necessary breakthrough - something more is needed! And are they pushing intellectual pursuit to the limit - or just replicating reality cos they can't come up with the solution theoretically. If after exhaustive search you have no evidence of string theory - maybe its cos its just wrong!
@amaqula They're replicating extreme reality, in controlled conditions where it can be analysed. Combine this experiment with intelligence and it should be enough to unravel the secrets of the Universe. This is pushing intellectual pursuit to the limit. No scientist, no matter how clever, has ever formed a theory without experimentation. It's just that now all the obvious experiments have been thought of - only the extreme ones are left.
@amaqula And on the topic of String theory - the important point to remember is that String theory can only be tested in situations involving vast amounts of energy being concentrated in a tiny amount of space. To do this, you actually have to build a machine which can do such things.
Oh, and the Catholic State Forever thing is just plain annoying and irrelevant.
Every theory can be tested by carefully planned experiments that test the hypotheses and/or its outcomes - without the need to replicate full scale reality! Among other things iit could prove a costly failure! These scientists seem to have more money than mathematical or scientific skill - and that is a shame! Catholic State is for the benefit of others - not you who seen it before! String theory has not a shred of evidence - time to let go!
@amaqula You're talking out of your behind. For every test you either examine reality or you replicate it and then examine it. Examining reality, in this scenario is impossible because, believe it or not, it would involve creating a laboratory in space! That would be far more difficult!
You don't understand string theory, so I don't see how you can comment on it, especially when it's still in its infancy. I wonder what would've happened if Einstein had taken your approach.
@amaqula Tell me they have no scientific or mathematical skill when you complete a PhD in physics. My bet is that you're too stupid and weak at maths to stand a chance.
Or, I'll give you a chance to show me you understand physics. Lets take the Bose-Einstein condensate. Explain the maths to me. Or why not enlighten me with your explained derivation of the Gross-Pitaevskii equation?
No - you don't replicate reality in all cases - cos you can't! We didn't replicate the big bang - it was worked out by maths! Be sensible - we cant go on replicating or semi replication - we have to prove or disprove things other ways. I don't understand the Bose-Einstein - but I can still comment on what lookS suspiciously like failures in the science world! Maybe some scientists would actually agree with me!
@amaqula The Big Bang was NOT worked out by maths alone. Main evidence for it included cosmic microwave background radiation and redshift. These were observed by extremely powerful, expensive telescopes. You can only do the maths when you have data to work with.
Currently, the best option we have to gather more evidence is the LHC. Most physicists agree on that and that is why it was built. Science and scientists have failures, but you still have to give a valid reason for criticising the LHC.
Yeah - so?!! You just have to be slighly cleverer and make assumptions about the effects of your hypotheses if ab and c are performed - and then test your assumptions! Maths and data will correlate if you are correct! It's just a pity these scientists weren't worked harder - before handing out billions! It's quite a disgrace! And the big question - will they be any the wiser afterwards!!!???
@amaqula The key point is test. What alternative test can you provide? What cheaper experiment could they do that would be equally effective?
These scientists are among the hardest working people on the planet. There's a reason why 99.9999% of people can't understand the mathematics involved - because its bloody difficult. Give them some credit instead of being irrationally anti-science and anti-progress.
They will certainly be wiser afterwards - it is an inevitable consequence of the theory.
@BreachedWall microwave background? They only measure that indirectly and they have to use math and guesses to cover up serious flaws in that. Red shift isn't conclusive for their so called expansion and be explained by other factors. Idiots say "THE" Big like it's their religion. No science explains singularity .Science is not supposed to be religion except in the case of "THE" Big Bang. They need to chant that baloney to get more funding for LHC.
@PanzerBlitz43 Nonsense. I've actually worked on redshift measurements in an astrophysics department and you obviously have very little understanding of the subject when you make comments like that.
Redshift and Microwave background are extremely conclusive. What specific problems in the data do you have? What equations used to justify the theory would you argue are flawed?
There is a vast amount of evidence for the Big Bang, so please tell me you've studied the maths and physics at least.
@BreachedWall Sorry there's no hard evidence at all, and nobody's presented or seen any. Even Hawkings says no relativity or any science explains "singularity" how far have earth scientists gone with their primitive rockets? They're still struggling to get to mars but they're still arrogant. lots of holes in the "microwave background (as if they could measure all of it) but what they do is try to fill in those holes with more ridiculous excuses.
@PanzerBlitz43 Show me the mathematics or gtfo. You can't claim to understand anything if you don't understand the basic physical principles and their underlying mathematical basis. There is hard evidence - you just don't want to look at it.
Go on wikipedia and look at 'Evidence for the Big Bang'. And then offer up a credible critique - if you can, instead of pathetic whining and empty words.
@PanzerBlitz43 On the topic of singularities - sure, physicists have not been able to combine quantum mechanics and general relativity in that region. But that's in no way contrary to the Big Bang theory. Just because presently the mathematics cannot be explained does not imply that the Big Bang cannot demonstrably be shown to have happened.
Your argument is akin to saying that Black Holes don't exist - just because the singularity that they are cannot be described completely using mathematics.
@BreachedWall There's physical evidence for black holes, but not singularities .Go ahead and worship your big bang religion. I don't personally believe in your big bang god.
@PanzerBlitz43 A singularity lies at the centre of a black hole. See Einstein's theory of general relativity to understand this concept.
The Big Bang isn't a religion. It's a scientific theory supported by compelling evidence - which is a lot more powerful than a religious creation story, supported by zero evidence.
@BreachedWall big bang's the same kind of blind faith as religious creation. even hawkings says so called singularity isn't suported even by relativity theory -relativity isn't holy either, its mostly just math and math isn't reality. great that "big bangs" are so compelling- did you just get back from the centre of a black hole?
The General Theory of Relativity explains the physical behaviour of large mass objects. Quantum mechanics explains the behaviour of small particles. However, in a singularity the two theories combine rather unusually since it involves high mass and small size. Since a theory of everything has not yet been found, the exact mathematical description of a singularity is not currently known.
@BreachedWall sorry there's no evidence. math is math, reality is reality. Since your imaginary singularity is light years away you can get away with your religious nonsense. combine two theories, theory of everything what a joke. If you trying to me make me worship your imaginary singularity and ridiculous "the" big bang pseudo science you failed.. big time.
@PanzerBlitz43 I've had enough with you. By your logic it's like I'm trying to force you to worship gravity. These theories are physical realities. What the maths does is explain precisely how these realities manifest. As I've already pointed out there is loads of evidence - redshift, cosmic microwave background radiation, the abundance of primordial elements and details of galactic evolution.
It's not my fault your brain has shut down. I wonder what grades you got in science class...
@BreachedWall i can prove directly there's an earth with gravity, or that building a dam follows real physical laws or the dam fails. All you can do is peddle some religion as "reality". Ever heard of scientific method? It's in Wikipedia. Look up theory in the dictionary, it doesn't mean faith. go back to school.
@PanzerBlitz43 You're arguing with the wrong man. I'm almost 100% certain my scientific credentials outweigh yours. It is a logical fallacy to claim that just because the evidence is far away that it's not evidence at all.
Cosmological theories can be proved, and while the Big Bang is not scientific fact that does not in any way relegate it to faith. It is supported by lots of evidence which I have already detailed, making it by far the most likely explanation for the creation of the Universe.
@BreachedWall i'm not impressed by people claiming "credentials"-stop boasting and you might even believable..not right, but you might be able to con people properly. btw it's possible to take lots of ideas from cartoon channel and build up some math to support whatever. I suspect "big bang" and invisible "dark matter" -dreamed up to explain why the big bang idea wasn't conforming to observations- , "string theory", etc. etc originally came from watching cartoons-was that wiley coyote maybe?
@PanzerBlitz43 Stop talking about a scientific theory you know nothing about. And why are you introducing dark matter into the equation? Dark matter deals with a very different cosmological problem - your introduction of the concept in this argument only heightens your ignorance.
@toppgunn2232 No it's not. Was the development of MRI scanners a waste of money too? Because guess what, research into particle accelerators spawned them.
@toppgunn2232 I suppose people thought making cathode ray tubes were a waste of people's money at one point. But these are the same kind of people who couldn't have guessed that spending thousands of US dollars on making calculators that can't add will eventually give us the iPhone.
@F0reseer shut up nerd!what good could possibly come from making anti matter by the way u r considered matter making anti you thats real good u guys wont be happy till you blow up the moon and dark matter there is a reason y you cant see it cause ur not smart enough to harness it leave it alone!
@toppgunn2232 Antimatter and dark matter are different things, if antimatter is an apple, then dark matter is a 6 y/o girl with a lollipop in her mouth. Antimatter exists naturally anyway. What good? How about limitless energy that will solve most of our problems? you know, things like starving children, poverty, global warming, depletion of gasoline, may go away? How about making new technology? And how will this destroy the moon? People said that when we tried to harness electricity.
@drrojas Absolutely. Unfortunately the majority of the people are dull beyond imagination. That's why they do understand shooting and destruction a lot better than a higgs boson. In their unlimited ignorance, they find it to be pretty normal to become a murderer by joining the military and spend a quarter of their income for killing and destruction. People are idiots. We know it.
@MillyVanillification Yes indeed! Imagination is the primary seed of our success as humans (im tallking waaaay back in the day). Of course now , it seems like the only thing that matters is PRide ,as if we were to live of that , no more desire to know the unknown , not at all , I don't understad how people live the way they do. Well at least if they just lived and let all others alone. But no instead they seem to have an "opinion" about projects like the LHC , of course , ignorants and idiots.
@drrojas Ummm... Yea.. Terrible waste of time going to war with, and defeating the Nazi's.. Dont lump all wars into one. It makes you sound unreasonable.
@amaqula Oh, and just to add - some scientists have done just what you suggest and created String Theory. Only problem is that it's just maths - it hasn't been proved to be true. You can only do that by testing it in the real world.
And bear in mind that these guys are geniuses. If there is another way, they have the best chances of thinking of it - but they haven't - because they can't. Most physicists agree that the LHC is the best bet we have.
@amaqula The greatest scientific minds of the past had vastly easier problems to solve. No disrespect to Newton, he was a genius, but working out F=ma is a hell of a lot simpler than the maths physicists now have to deal with.
A final point is that science, fundamentally is based on evidence. And as we now have a vast knowledge of more commonplace evidence, we are forced to travel towards extreme energies to elicit new information about the Universe.
All science which is unknown territory is difficult - and those trailblazers who broke through did so on some intuition before they had any evidence! Todays scientists seem to lack all intuituion direction and momentum! It has nothing to do with level of difficutly - but a lack of understanding and intuition!
@amaqula Absolute nonsense. You obviously have no scientific background. All scientists look at evidence to create their theories - intuition alone CANNOT be used. In fact, in quantum mechanics, intuition is WRONG most of the time.
The more advanced physics gets, the more alien it becomes to our basic premises about the Universe. You, for example, might believe in the principle of causality since it is intuitive, but in actual fact physicists have proved that it is wrong.
Intuition must preceed evidence - unless evidence lands automatically in your lap! I'm sure in some areas of science this does happen - but not in all areas - especially maths and physics! I agree advanced physics can be counter intuitive - but to some one gifted mind - they will sense the truth! And then of course they will seek evidence for it!
@amaqula That's not really true. As Richard Feynman once said, 'If you think you understand quantum physics, you don't.' Why not listen to the brilliant minds who say that this experiment is necessary? Why not listen to the people who you are praising?
But even if they could sense the truth - they still do need the evidence at the end of the day. And that's why they're doing this experiment. To shed light on all the recent theorising that has happened so far.
@DaytonaRoadster Thank you for the compliment. Pedantically you are correct on both: the gun & proof, my compliments. It is worrying to read comments about LHC's experiments. I fail to understand as to why American Christians are so against furthering of scientific knowledge. They are dragging it into the dark ages. It is not the money. Ted Turner 'gave' $10bn to the UN. America, the bastion of Science is lagging behind in two most important of scientific researches: Genetics and Physics.
@kuztoml65 I would very much like to know the evidence defending your claimt. Let me assure you that LHC shall operate its full power for the next planned experiment to create the collision at 14 TeV. The heat is estimated to surpass the temperature of the core of the Sun by 10,000 times. Such high temperatures can only be contained by plasma the 4th state of Matter. Remember, weapons do not kill, the user of the weapon does. Why not work towards a socity where weapons would not be needed?
@kuztoml65 No it wont, a drop on a firearm will NOT activitate the fireing pin, only a hammer strike will, you have no idea what your talking about and your just an anti-gun fucktard. Someone also has to drop the gun as well idiot.
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The reality of the unseen world, viz the ethereal and spiritual world is more great than the reality of the seen world. The unseen world ethereal and spiritual represent 96% from the Universe's matter and the spiritual world from the round of the Earth represent 99.9%, viz for each human spirit embodied on Earth exist in the skies from the round Earth approximately 1000 of spirits!
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The dust of subatomic particles resulted after the collisions in LHC are particles of ethereal matter, even that the physicists give not them permission of existence! The electrical discharge to one Tesla coil was made and in a basin with water. Great was the surprise that the electrical discharge of the particles of electrical ether in water has the same ARBORESCENT SHAPE - proving the existence, and in water of the primary ethereal gravitational field.
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From 1967 I analyse with attention all published experiments concerning the accelerators of particles and the controlled thermonuclear fusion, moreover and the scriptural and paleoastronautical information. I had made only a logical and rational synthesis of the applied science, therefore my brothers- you block not the your sites and my computer. Please you to support me, how long, I still can produce such information.
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Now, were collided particles in LHC and you seen that is nothimg: none Higgs boson, none Big-Bang, neither black holes, but only thousands of shards of ethereal particles.Therefore, now -return you physicists from your distraction at Isaac Newton with his universal attraction law= THE UNIFIED LAW OF THE MATTERS AND FORCES, at the eliminated ETHER by Einstein, at the unseen world of the ethereal and spiritual matters which fill up the Cosmos, and return you at the Lord- at God!
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The physicists show that about the discovery the Higgs boson it desire and the discovery the origins of the bodies'mass; the discovery the dark matter, the discovery the superior dimensions and the demonstration of the superposition. But as a result to the collisions of particles- the black holes had appeared not, the Big-Bang had appeared not demonstrating that the Large Hadron Collider bring not about us the Apocalipse.
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It say: with the exception of the Higgs boson all the predicted particles of Standard Model were detected and the them properties were measured with precision. The Standard Model of particles to arrived let be verified, but, if the Higgs boson is not finded, then the Standard Model and the others models will be necessary to be reconstruct from zero.
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• SandustanBrasov
In 1964 physicist Peter Higgs has thinked existence to one energetic field which penetrate whole Universe, and named it "Higgs field" and his particles named "Higgs boson"and that these can give mass the subatomic particles.Thus appear the necessity as in the CERN-frame let it construct an accelerator more big: the LARGE HADRON COLLIDER,which made the first collisions of particles in 14 December 2009, afterwards in 2010, in 2011 and they uncovered not the Higgs boson particles
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The movement of the celestial bodies in Cosmos demonstrates that these it can not maintain in the existent formation if not would exist and another matter which let complete and fill up the Cosmos. And this unknown matter, which is the eliminated ETHER- they named she: dark matter and dark energy, which is in proportion of 96% from the Cosmos's mass.
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Already the protons, neutrons and electrons are formed through condensation and concentration of the etehreal particles. But how the ETHER has eliminated from physics, the physicists had invented the Standard Model of the particles and them forces excluding the gravity. Thus for to comprise and the gravity with her particles and forces they had invented and the strings theory.
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• SandustanBrasov
The materials seem to be complicated and irregular at the sight with the free eye. But at microscope they it show simple and orderly. All the material shapes: animal. vegetal and mineral are made from atoms and these only from three constituents: protons, neutrons and electrons. The photon of light we see it and the photon of heat we feel it, but the ethereal particles are more small, of a few thousands time; we see not them now, but the our spirits see them.
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If in 1905 Einstein excludes the ETHER from physics, viz excludes the intergalactic matter, then the his disciples arrive with the relativity theory at Big-Bang, at black holes, holes of worm, at singularity and today at travel in time. Thus the great explosion of George Gamov and his fellows R.A.Ipher and R.C.Hermann, become cosmological standardized theory which is one great bluff!
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Between 1930...1935 the discord was photon of light.The opinion of physicists had not adopted existence in flight to photon, and photon remain without mass. If photon has not mass, he cannot interact with nothing on trajectory and the light speed remain constant lengthways the trajectory. Thus, in place let to consider that the photons lose themselves the speed on way as result the them interaction with the intergalactic matter, they had set the Universe let it dilate entirely
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Today in front of our eyes and of the observation apparatuses it succedes all evolution phases of the celestial bodies, stars and galaxies. An evidence that the Universe doesn't seems to have an explosive beginning and doesn't seems to have ever an end in the his entirely. The facts demonstrates that in Universe the cyclical creation has place continuously in certain parts, and can has not place total creation in the same time in all the mass of the Universe.
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As early as the time of Michael Faraday at scientific problems in contradiction, academical circles decided victory the some or another.In this optics of domination of certain conceptions: philosophical, theological and of other principles, in science had penetrated mistaken and fallacious theories, and the impossibility of immediate verification, to leaded at the creation others abstractings which had blocked the road of the scientific innovation with practical applications.
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Today, on measure that the theory advances from classic mechanics to the quantum mechanics the particle and the wave are gradual dematerialize. The modern physics is blocked by enunciation of some laws and mistaken principles as: relativity theory, Hubble's law, postulation that the atom can't emit and absorb radiations continously, admitting the postulate what claims the photons without mass a.s.o. These guide- us at supernatural and at the technical and technological blocage
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Nikola Tesla argued that:" I hold that the space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can has not properties. Of properties it can speak only when it work with the matter which fill up the space. The empty space it can not curve because- something- can not action about -nothing". This relativity proceed from a philosophical direction, on which A.Einstein produce her when he was found in a state of technical and religious confusion.
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Einstein ignore and vex over 100 of men of science which had signed a petition in which they upholded that the his relativity theory is wrongly. It renounce at the absolute space and absolute time, it arrive at the Lorentz-Einstein's transformations through the introduction to two factors- subunitary and superunitary what lead at the infinte mass phantoms, at the infinte energy phantoms and at the infinte impuls phantoms when a body or particle would touch the light speed.
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As a result of the wrong interpretation of the Michelsom-Morley(1881)'s experiments which had demonstrated that the ETHER is entirely trained with the mass and the Earth's atmosphere, in 1905 A.Einstein renounced at the ether notion, at absolute space and set the relativist mecanics' base. He emits the two restricted relativity principles through which excludes the Ether, impose as limit of bodies' movement -the light speed and denatured completely the classic dynamics reality
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Thus, the primary gravitational field it manifest as a solid body for the electrical ether and the electromagnetic phenomenons, and in the same time it manifest as a fluid body for the ethereal concentrated bodies and for the chemical bodies. We perceive the secondary gravitational field among the astral bodies. and in the electrical unloading's case which are ARBORESCENT we perceive and the primary gravitational field of the primary electrogenic particles.
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But celestial sources say us that whole Cosmos is filled with a dense powder of alive ethereal and electrogenic particles, and among they are streams of particles and more small because gravitational primary attraction among they, constituting primary gravitational field.But more exist,in the same space and secundary gravitational field produced by the ethereal concentrated particles in the ethereal bodies and in the chemical bodies which are neutral from electrical viewpoint.
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With much before Einstein, J.C.Maxwell starts from a mental experience, says that he generalize the Faraday's Electric Induction law and exclaims that the transmited wave would be a successive creation of magnetic fields and electric fields perpendicular between them and on the propagation direction. Since then it preachs the transmission of the electromagnetic wave at thousands kilometres without material suport.
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Leibnitz(1646...1716) German scientist, forerunner of the mathematical logic, through the denial the newtonian space- time is and he a forerunner of the Einstein's relativity. Einstein considers the gravity as a property of the space and not in the least as a property of the matter which fill up this space. The Einstein's relativity is a geometrization of the space.
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In the century XIX, the new scholars: Coulomb, Laplace, Ampere, Poisson, Green, Gauss, Webwer etc., had holded the action's theory at distance without material support, and they support only the mathematical abstracted theories. The science already started let it cover more much with the theory than with the practice.
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The theory without logic and reason is and remain an non-reality.The science is at beginning a theory, but has logic and reason and become true after the her practical realisation.The space it stretch in Infinite and the time come from Infinite and it stretch in Infinite marking the reality of the ours material world seen and unseen.The faithless man believe not that exist the God with the our world seen and unseen and then this man can not think and judge with real elements.
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A.Einstein through the his relativity to REVERSED the reality of the our terresterial world. He remove the ETHER from physics and give materiality the space and the time. But the SPACE limit the place where it can unfolding material actions and the TIME mark the period of unfolding to some material actions. The space and the time are only ABSTRACT notions, absolute and colateral which show where and when it unfolding certain material actions.
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The theorist physicist omit to study the science's history as let understand the things and phenomenons, but they learn only the exposed theory for to obtain a diploma, afterwards they twitter. We must let understand the science and how it was builded. Einstein has and good parts, but those mistaken are catastrophic. But Einstein was not single in the supporting the mistakes.
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The theoretical mistakes from centuries XIX and XX, had been amplified and had passed noisily in century XXI. Many experiments and terrestrial and extraterrestrial observations was wrongly interpreted because theoretical physics indoctrinated with Einstein's relativity.Thus was started the investigation of subatomic particles without ethereal matters and was started the building of the ITER without to know the electrical ether and his role in the working of the magnetic trap
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The heavenly embodied world together with the heavenly unembodied world or free spirits- they had created and spreated- us on all the Earth surface, they had mixed- us and raised ones against another; they created us at a certain moment certain problems on which we must solve for can exist as terrestrial embodied beings, for gain our experience and our world personality.
sandustanBrasov 2 months ago
A new successful experiment needs a greater responsibility!
happinesson 3 months ago
They are watching nerd Star Porn
gamer3386 8 months ago
So where can we keep updated on this? What particles resulted from the collision?
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Futurecop2012E 1 year ago
Why do white people clap so much?
abobjenkins 1 year ago
P.P.S. The Big Bang it's only a theory. And if it's not true, this experiment may mean nothing ... And the bad thing is that every cause has an effect ...
cheloo 1 year ago
@cheloo How in the world do you say, "if it's not true, this experiment may mean nothing"? OF COURSE it means something--it's going to prove something huge either way. As KatAlpine said, if there is no Higgs Boson, we'll know something in our Standard Model has gone awry, and that will be an enormous leap forward in our understanding, either way.
greg5566 1 year ago
P.S. Do we know how the pyramids were built? No. But I still want to see the next moment after the big bang, maybe that will show us how the egyptian sent a very very small stone through a particle beam and that stone increased its size and made a piramid. Hurray, puzzle complete .... NOT !!!!
cheloo 1 year ago
In my opinion, it is a waste of money. This world can offer us more than we can think. But no, we want to understand the whole universe. We paid milions for that experiment, but still, out there are people that are starving. WHY? Simple, cause in this mode they can control them and us. What saudi, do you want food? Give us petrol. What african, do you want water? Give us gold. And the list can continue.
cheloo 1 year ago
@cheloo This is a typical anti-science, anti-human attitude. The entire LHC cost a small fraction of the Pentagon's yearly budget, but you don't mention that, only this science experiment that will better the lives of everyone.
greg5566 1 year ago 4
guess what fuckers? NO BLACK HOLES THAT WILLL DESTGROY THE EARTH... fucking pussies
OopsYouFailed 1 year ago
Too bad that it will never work, trying to recreate the big bang by colliding 2 protons or 2 lead nuclei together is the macrocosmic equivalent of colliding 2 planets together, all that your are gona see is a tiny crash. To recreate the big bang you have to find the smallest particles and collide them, which is impossible since the universe is infinite, you cut an atom in half you get 2 smaller atoms, cut them again you get even smaller 4 atoms. What a huge waste of money....
Christopher1987uk 1 year ago
@Christopher1987uk The LHC has other purposes than figuring out the big bang. It may lead to discoveries that will change our understanding of the universe completely. Furthermore, it can open doors to new technology, god knows we'll need it.
VikingBlud 1 year ago
@VikingBlud I sure hope so. Just as long as military organisations dont get the knowledge and take advantage to build any more weapons I am happy, last time there was a significant scientific breakthrough in physics looks what happened. Entire ecosystems were destroyed :(
Christopher1987uk 1 year ago
@Christopher1987uk We have more than enough weaponry to wipe us out many times over, if we wanted to we'd be extinct.
But I get your point, let's have some faith eh? :/
VikingBlud 1 year ago
@Christopher1987uk Nobody wants to recreate the big bang. What an idiotic statement.
MillyVanillification 1 year ago
@MillyVanillification well from what I have been reading all over the news and daily newspapers in England it seems like they are..... maybe its just press as usual, they tend to blow everything out of proportion.
Christopher1987uk 1 year ago
I can tell you why they enjoy pushing at the boundaries of science beyone which they know NOTHING about....its because they're funded by a small group of elitists on this planet that want the technology to be able to LEAVE everyone else BEHIND alone to die so they (the elite) are able to advance the human species.
javamonkey333 1 year ago
Every smart man knows the stark truth.... Scientists are the true heroes of our species, and soldiers are the fools.
AVIATIO 1 year ago
Its so beautiful...
xaayer 1 year ago
its a waste of public money esp since they don't tell the public about their real findings on time travel as well as the beginning of time.
erasmus2012 1 year ago
@erasmus2012 Time Travel is possible, at the cost of unknown amouts of energy and not to mention lives.
QQMarkPS2 1 year ago
@erasmus2012
I agree. Why scientists are doing this? That is not very important at the moment!
For gods sake can't they see what they doing? Overpopulation, starving, ozone layer, few dollars worth more than life of many.... this is what we can thank scientists for. Why to look for more problems if we have so many of them already waiting to sort out?
Jazzmanpac 1 year ago
@Jazzmanpac
How short-sighted some people are.
These are only a tiny fraction of the world's scientists. The scientific world hasn't abandoned us. There are still countless researchers trying to fix things.
Meanwhile, this experiment is pushing at the boundaries of science. There's no telling what we could learn from this, and what good could come from that knowledge.
And those things you listed are problems caused by greed and ignorance. Science did not cause them.
Anon11674 1 year ago 2
@Anon11674
shutup poindexter. Astronauts float in space shuttles because theres no gravity above the earth. HAHA TAKE THAT.
Rac665 1 year ago
@Rac665
Ok...
Is there any point to that?
Anon11674 1 year ago
@Anon11674
WOW...you Scientific a-holes always wanting Points and answers and shit. Well us REAL folks just like to say random stuff out of no where with no point at all. Take that Doc.
Rac665 1 year ago
cool
Emilhiggsmass9 1 year ago
I'd like to share their enthusiasm, but unfortunately, it's probably the beginning of a new zoo of particles
aristotledixit 1 year ago
There is so much useless people in this world, they should used the money on making a new country where that people can go and do nothing all the day till they realice they need to eat and then RIP because of their stupidity.
detimarin 1 year ago
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@detimarin Interesting...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
wow it's like an ugly nerd convention
tjohn1986 1 year ago
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@tjohn1986 Interesting, no gratitude...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
YAY!!!
NYbudMan87 1 year ago
What a waste of money.
jabahut1 1 year ago
@jabahut1
Yeah, they should have used the money on making a web site where really fucking stupid people can make dumb fucking comments about how others waste money.
evilsinz 1 year ago
@evilsinz In know everything about you and your account.
jabahut1 1 year ago
@jabahut1
Try again, you failed to make a coherent sentence.
evilsinz 1 year ago
@evilsinz I'm sorry to disappoint you Mr. Troll.
jabahut1 1 year ago
@jabahut1, you commenting that this "was a waste of money" is trolling. You have no other reason to be here than to cause grief for people.
The unfortunate side effect of stupidity is not knowing you are stupid. When you can contribute something other than reasons for people to insult you, then you won't be trolling.
I am glad to see scientists from all over the world working together on something peaceful than on bigger bombs. Though your comments might cause me to reconsider.
evilsinz 1 year ago
@evilsinz peaceful? the same fucking moron that just called me stupid. Get your head out of your ass troll. You have no idea what your talking about. Stop wasting my time just becuase your insecure. Calling another person stupid doesn't insult them it just makes you look stupid. Log off your computer and find a job, stop pestering me about your insecurities.
jabahut1 1 year ago
@jabahut1
You think its a waste of money, so why the fuck are you here? Just to tell everybody you think its a waste of money? Well its god damn obvious its not a waste of money for some people. And it isn't your money, so fuck off.
Do you just write the first dumbshit that comes to mind? That I'm pestering you because of my insecurities (wtf)? I need a job? Calling me a troll for attacking you for trolling? Fuck dude, pull your own head out of your ass. You are the troll, now begone.
evilsinz 1 year ago
@evilsinz That Was Weak Troll. I thought you had better Troll experience. Yea I doesn't feel nice to get insulted right? Shut the fuck up.
jabahut1 1 year ago
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@jabahut1 Interesting...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@evilsinz It's not a waste of money. Sorry to be ignorant, but 10 billion and 2 years later what has it produced. NOTHING.
Mrhoder123 1 year ago
@Mrhoder123 Interesting...do you not like the world wide web? If so, why are using it...because it was made in CERN to enable communication between scientists.
Oh, and the funny thing about science is that you don't get discoveries immediately. But when they happen, like the discovery of electricity or quantum mechanics, they have massive implications which fundamentally revolutionise technology. Science is amazing. It's just a shame your puny mind can't comprehend that.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall What does that have to do with the LHC? Are you saying because someone who works for CERN thought up hypertext we have to throw billions at them in thanks? I guess only time will tell if the 10 billion dollars was well spent or just a giant waste of money. My guess is the later.
Oh, I forgot... I can't criticize science experiments because scientists invented everything.
Jesus you're a dumbass.
Mrhoder123 1 year ago
@Mrhoder123 I'm saying that the challenges presented by the massive undertaking of building the LHC have resulted in revolutionary discoveries. Thus to claim that building it will be a waste of money is ridiculous. Whenever brilliant minds push technology to its limit, fantastic discoveries are made. It has been true throughout history. And many of the greatest discoveries have been made unintentionally.
And finally, the Universe is a beautiful place. Understanding it is more beautiful still.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@evilsinz How is it obviously NOT a waste of money? What spectacular results have they achieved for you to make that statement?
Mrhoder123 1 year ago
@Mrhoder123 Give them some time! When Einstein discovered the general theory of relativity, it took quite a while till someone could put it to good use. But to entertain your argument, lets look at the accelerator at Fermilab. It took a while to build, lots of money, no specific aims to benefit mankind, But what came out of it?
Lets take a look: MRI scanners used to save millions of lives were invented, revolutions in x-ray cancer therapy, PET scans, revolutions in computer analysis...
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall technique to monitor the non-proliferation of nuclear waste, advancements in power transmission, magnetically levitating trains, synchrotron allowing for analysis of protein structure, silicon strip detectors to understand turbulence, food sterilization, medical isotope production, ion implantation for strengthening materials, curing of epoxies and plastics, remote operation of complex facilities and scanning of shipping containers to name but a few.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall The LHC is far more advanced than Fermilab's accelerator. Thus it is practically inevitable that through pushing technology to its limit, even more breathtaking discoveries will be made.
But even if they aren't, our fundamental understanding of the Universe will have improved. And that is a beautiful thing in itself.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
Hopefully soon we will unlock the secrets of the beginning of our universe with this collider! :-)
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
Scientists are proper tards. I rest my case.
fatalist6o9 1 year ago
Get off the computer then, idiot. Because guess what - it was made by scientists. Oh, and what about electricity and cars and aeroplanes? Scientists have accomplished amazing things and they don't deserve to have fools like you being disrespectful.
If you don't like science, go back to the stone-age, because evidently that is where you belong.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall Science used to accomplish amazing things. Now science is all about profit, control, distraction, eugenics and ultimately power. You think anyone would be gutted if computers and cars never existed? What you never had you never miss...
fatalist6o9 1 year ago
@fatalist6o9 Absolute nonsense. At least give me some evidence to back your claims. What about the revolutionary new developments in recent years to treat disease? Oh, and what about all the massive benefits computers and vehicles have given in terms of organisation and aid?
If you don't like cars and computers - don't use them. If you want a life expectancy of 20 years, go ahead and be my guest.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall With disease, the key word is treat. Always treatment, rarely a cure because a proper cure would not be so profitable. Science won't make you live longer. A proper diet and attitude will. Vehicles and computers are only deemed necessary because their uses have been woven into society in many ways. I do like cars and computers, that's not the point though...
fatalist6o9 1 year ago
@fatalist6o9 Actually, in Britain, the government pays for healthcare - so its free for everybody. The government also funds research. So it's in the governments own interest to provide long-term cures - as that will save it money in the long run.
Science will make you live longer. Revolutions in sanitation, agriculture and immunisation have save hundreds of millions of lives. In the past, death from disease was vastly more common because so many more people caught it.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall The peope pay for healthcare in Britain, not the government! This conversation is over.
fatalist6o9 1 year ago
@fatalist6o9 Whenever someone says 'the government pays for this', obviously what they mean is that the people get taxed more and the money the government takes from the people is used to pay for healthcare. Obviously I didn't mean that money came out of nowhere.
So your comment doesn't affect my point. It is still as correct as ever.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@fatalist6o9 ...in the past, most of the population didn't have food on their tables, but scientific revolutions in agriculture now allow vast amounts of food to be produced per acre of land, also the reason why most of the population can survive without being farmers. Sanitation has wiped out diseases such as the plague, and immunisation has wiped out diseases such as smallpox.
And you do like cars and computers which came from scientific advancement - often not from a predictable direction.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
can you imagine these scientist in a football match?..... haha. But they made a breakthrough. It will be interesting to see what they find out.
no2facism 1 year ago
These people used up BILLIONS of U.S DOLLARS or EUROS/FRANCS these people aren't playing
haipod123 1 year ago
Couldn't they work it out through maths - with a pen and paper and an inspired mind! It seems to me a roundabout way of doing science! And an expensive one! The greatest scientific minds of the past would have worked everything out by maths!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula
You're joking, right?
The GSMs of the past didn't have the sort of maths we have now. And they would have devised an experiment. Maths may have been used to model events for hypothesis generation but the science would still have required at least one experiment.
psychobollox 1 year ago
@psychobollox OK but suppose we couldn't have made this ludicrously expensive experiment -are you telling me that there is no other way to come up with the required knowledge? How about a pen paper and an inspired genius?!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula
Pen and paper and inspired genius might model a process. It wouldn't come anywhere close to adding to our knowledge without some regimented/structured investigation.
What is so hard to understand about this?
psychobollox 1 year ago
I'm just curious as to whether this ludicrously expensive experiment is due a lack of direction and inspiration in the scientific world?! I'm wondering if it is masking something? What so hard to understand about that?!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula
And I'm telling you that it's not about a lack of direction or inspiration.
The mathematical modelling has been done already and the Higgs boson has been posited as possibly existing. The maths doesn't work unless the boson does. A bit like the neutrino issue: the mathematical work was done but that did not demonstrate the existence of the neutrino. That had to be demonstrated by experiment.
Expensive, yes.
Avoidable? No.
psychobollox 1 year ago
@psychobollox I'm not so sure about that! It seems clumsy to me. I'll bet you some clever genius could have sorted the problem out - mathematically! I mean what's the next experiment supposed to be? - and is there enough money in the world to fund it? Where will this all end! Can't scientists be a little more efficient in their discoveries - which we have yet to have from this collider. Oh well.
CATHOLIC STATE forever!!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula
I understand the issue on money. As for efficiency in science, it's about as efficient as it can get just now. Mathematics can help to generate hypotheses to test, but the experiment is the gold standard because only that will provide the data that forms the evidence to support or refute a theory (or certain aspects of it). We seem to live in an age of instant gratification: demand for instant results. We won't get instant results from scientific research. Wouldn't be science.
psychobollox 1 year ago
@psychobollox It's not just the money - it is not the right way to go about science! And the maths could have been put to the test in a carefully devised clever experiment based on the expected results - which would either prove or disprove the theory and other deductions! You just don't replicate the real world full scale for experiment - not unless you have more money than imagination!
CATHOLIC STATE forever
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula
Wrong. I wish - economically - that you were right, but you're not. Science isn't cheap. And the problem with modelling is that the model is never actually a complete representation of what reality might be, so the experiment is essential for gathering data ... and replication studies are essential to check the validity of the model ... no check, no guarantee of validity. And remember - science has no proofs - only mathematics has proofs.
psychobollox 1 year ago
@psychobollox
Not true - you can check the validity of data in many ways - by devising simple tests based on your hypotheses - and seeing if you get the desired results! That's the way scientists have always done things! Seems like todays scientists have their ingenuity blocked by having too much readily available cash! Science has proofs - if it works its true ie if it can be applied to some useful purpose. There is no skill or imagination in this experiment!
CATHOLIC STATE forever
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula
You serious?
Simple tests? I'd like to see that happen! And be useful....
And natural science does not have proofs. The aim is to provide data as evidence to support or refute theory by the testing of hypotheses. No more, no less. Only mathematics has proofs. And no matter how often you repeat your misunderstanding, you will not make it any more true: this whole idea of 'if it works it's true'... forget it. In science, you try to find reasons to reject your alternative hypothesis.
psychobollox 1 year ago
@psychobollox
Of course if it works it is true! You are not going to discount some brilliant new discovery that leads to ingenius invention after ingenius invention! That's proof enough of its validity! And all I'm saying about this experiment is that is it a straight replication of the natural world - to see what happens! cos they couldn't work it out by maths or theoretical physics! Not good enough!
CATHOLIC STATE forever.
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula Oh, and if you think it can be done, I say go for it!
Why not study mathematics to an advanced level and create the theory yourself? That would be a highly impressive thing to do. Sometimes I wonder if I myself would dare venture into such an arena.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
No proof for String theory has been found yet - and some scientists are calling for research on it to end - they fear it is a dead end! If you can't do the maths - then you are like the poor little student in every primary maths class that can't figure out how to get the area of a triangle - so draws it out and counts the squares! That is what these collider scientists are a bit like! I can't do the maths- but then I don't call myself a scientist!
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula This is ridiculous. These physicists are among the cleverest people in the whole world. They're pushing intellectual pursuit to its limit and you're whining about how they should be even cleverer.
And you are so hypocritical. You say that no proof for string theory has been found and yet you counter any attempts to find some proof! Have you never encountered the idea of evidence? Sorry to burst your bubble but you can't work out all the laws of the Universe just through maths.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
They are clever - but that alone is not enough obviously! To take us further along the road of science - to make that necessary breakthrough - something more is needed! And are they pushing intellectual pursuit to the limit - or just replicating reality cos they can't come up with the solution theoretically. If after exhaustive search you have no evidence of string theory - maybe its cos its just wrong!
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula They're replicating extreme reality, in controlled conditions where it can be analysed. Combine this experiment with intelligence and it should be enough to unravel the secrets of the Universe. This is pushing intellectual pursuit to the limit. No scientist, no matter how clever, has ever formed a theory without experimentation. It's just that now all the obvious experiments have been thought of - only the extreme ones are left.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@amaqula And on the topic of String theory - the important point to remember is that String theory can only be tested in situations involving vast amounts of energy being concentrated in a tiny amount of space. To do this, you actually have to build a machine which can do such things.
Oh, and the Catholic State Forever thing is just plain annoying and irrelevant.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
Every theory can be tested by carefully planned experiments that test the hypotheses and/or its outcomes - without the need to replicate full scale reality! Among other things iit could prove a costly failure! These scientists seem to have more money than mathematical or scientific skill - and that is a shame! Catholic State is for the benefit of others - not you who seen it before! String theory has not a shred of evidence - time to let go!
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula You're talking out of your behind. For every test you either examine reality or you replicate it and then examine it. Examining reality, in this scenario is impossible because, believe it or not, it would involve creating a laboratory in space! That would be far more difficult!
You don't understand string theory, so I don't see how you can comment on it, especially when it's still in its infancy. I wonder what would've happened if Einstein had taken your approach.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@amaqula Tell me they have no scientific or mathematical skill when you complete a PhD in physics. My bet is that you're too stupid and weak at maths to stand a chance.
Or, I'll give you a chance to show me you understand physics. Lets take the Bose-Einstein condensate. Explain the maths to me. Or why not enlighten me with your explained derivation of the Gross-Pitaevskii equation?
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
No - you don't replicate reality in all cases - cos you can't! We didn't replicate the big bang - it was worked out by maths! Be sensible - we cant go on replicating or semi replication - we have to prove or disprove things other ways. I don't understand the Bose-Einstein - but I can still comment on what lookS suspiciously like failures in the science world! Maybe some scientists would actually agree with me!
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula The Big Bang was NOT worked out by maths alone. Main evidence for it included cosmic microwave background radiation and redshift. These were observed by extremely powerful, expensive telescopes. You can only do the maths when you have data to work with.
Currently, the best option we have to gather more evidence is the LHC. Most physicists agree on that and that is why it was built. Science and scientists have failures, but you still have to give a valid reason for criticising the LHC.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
Yeah - so?!! You just have to be slighly cleverer and make assumptions about the effects of your hypotheses if ab and c are performed - and then test your assumptions! Maths and data will correlate if you are correct! It's just a pity these scientists weren't worked harder - before handing out billions! It's quite a disgrace! And the big question - will they be any the wiser afterwards!!!???
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula The key point is test. What alternative test can you provide? What cheaper experiment could they do that would be equally effective?
These scientists are among the hardest working people on the planet. There's a reason why 99.9999% of people can't understand the mathematics involved - because its bloody difficult. Give them some credit instead of being irrationally anti-science and anti-progress.
They will certainly be wiser afterwards - it is an inevitable consequence of the theory.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall microwave background? They only measure that indirectly and they have to use math and guesses to cover up serious flaws in that. Red shift isn't conclusive for their so called expansion and be explained by other factors. Idiots say "THE" Big like it's their religion. No science explains singularity .Science is not supposed to be religion except in the case of "THE" Big Bang. They need to chant that baloney to get more funding for LHC.
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 Nonsense. I've actually worked on redshift measurements in an astrophysics department and you obviously have very little understanding of the subject when you make comments like that.
Redshift and Microwave background are extremely conclusive. What specific problems in the data do you have? What equations used to justify the theory would you argue are flawed?
There is a vast amount of evidence for the Big Bang, so please tell me you've studied the maths and physics at least.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall Sorry there's no hard evidence at all, and nobody's presented or seen any. Even Hawkings says no relativity or any science explains "singularity" how far have earth scientists gone with their primitive rockets? They're still struggling to get to mars but they're still arrogant. lots of holes in the "microwave background (as if they could measure all of it) but what they do is try to fill in those holes with more ridiculous excuses.
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 Show me the mathematics or gtfo. You can't claim to understand anything if you don't understand the basic physical principles and their underlying mathematical basis. There is hard evidence - you just don't want to look at it.
Go on wikipedia and look at 'Evidence for the Big Bang'. And then offer up a credible critique - if you can, instead of pathetic whining and empty words.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 On the topic of singularities - sure, physicists have not been able to combine quantum mechanics and general relativity in that region. But that's in no way contrary to the Big Bang theory. Just because presently the mathematics cannot be explained does not imply that the Big Bang cannot demonstrably be shown to have happened.
Your argument is akin to saying that Black Holes don't exist - just because the singularity that they are cannot be described completely using mathematics.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall There's physical evidence for black holes, but not singularities .Go ahead and worship your big bang religion. I don't personally believe in your big bang god.
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 A singularity lies at the centre of a black hole. See Einstein's theory of general relativity to understand this concept.
The Big Bang isn't a religion. It's a scientific theory supported by compelling evidence - which is a lot more powerful than a religious creation story, supported by zero evidence.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall big bang's the same kind of blind faith as religious creation. even hawkings says so called singularity isn't suported even by relativity theory -relativity isn't holy either, its mostly just math and math isn't reality. great that "big bangs" are so compelling- did you just get back from the centre of a black hole?
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 No. You're spouting ignorance again.
The General Theory of Relativity explains the physical behaviour of large mass objects. Quantum mechanics explains the behaviour of small particles. However, in a singularity the two theories combine rather unusually since it involves high mass and small size. Since a theory of everything has not yet been found, the exact mathematical description of a singularity is not currently known.
Maths combined with evidence explains reality.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall sorry there's no evidence. math is math, reality is reality. Since your imaginary singularity is light years away you can get away with your religious nonsense. combine two theories, theory of everything what a joke. If you trying to me make me worship your imaginary singularity and ridiculous "the" big bang pseudo science you failed.. big time.
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 I've had enough with you. By your logic it's like I'm trying to force you to worship gravity. These theories are physical realities. What the maths does is explain precisely how these realities manifest. As I've already pointed out there is loads of evidence - redshift, cosmic microwave background radiation, the abundance of primordial elements and details of galactic evolution.
It's not my fault your brain has shut down. I wonder what grades you got in science class...
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall i can prove directly there's an earth with gravity, or that building a dam follows real physical laws or the dam fails. All you can do is peddle some religion as "reality". Ever heard of scientific method? It's in Wikipedia. Look up theory in the dictionary, it doesn't mean faith. go back to school.
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 You're arguing with the wrong man. I'm almost 100% certain my scientific credentials outweigh yours. It is a logical fallacy to claim that just because the evidence is far away that it's not evidence at all.
Cosmological theories can be proved, and while the Big Bang is not scientific fact that does not in any way relegate it to faith. It is supported by lots of evidence which I have already detailed, making it by far the most likely explanation for the creation of the Universe.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall i'm not impressed by people claiming "credentials"-stop boasting and you might even believable..not right, but you might be able to con people properly. btw it's possible to take lots of ideas from cartoon channel and build up some math to support whatever. I suspect "big bang" and invisible "dark matter" -dreamed up to explain why the big bang idea wasn't conforming to observations- , "string theory", etc. etc originally came from watching cartoons-was that wiley coyote maybe?
PanzerBlitz43 1 year ago
@PanzerBlitz43 Stop talking about a scientific theory you know nothing about. And why are you introducing dark matter into the equation? Dark matter deals with a very different cosmological problem - your introduction of the concept in this argument only heightens your ignorance.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall its a big waste of someones tax dollars
toppgunn2232 1 year ago
@toppgunn2232 No it's not. Was the development of MRI scanners a waste of money too? Because guess what, research into particle accelerators spawned them.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@toppgunn2232 I suppose people thought making cathode ray tubes were a waste of people's money at one point. But these are the same kind of people who couldn't have guessed that spending thousands of US dollars on making calculators that can't add will eventually give us the iPhone.
F0reseer 1 year ago 8
@F0reseer shut up nerd!what good could possibly come from making anti matter by the way u r considered matter making anti you thats real good u guys wont be happy till you blow up the moon and dark matter there is a reason y you cant see it cause ur not smart enough to harness it leave it alone!
toppgunn2232 1 year ago
@toppgunn2232 Antimatter and dark matter are different things, if antimatter is an apple, then dark matter is a 6 y/o girl with a lollipop in her mouth. Antimatter exists naturally anyway. What good? How about limitless energy that will solve most of our problems? you know, things like starving children, poverty, global warming, depletion of gasoline, may go away? How about making new technology? And how will this destroy the moon? People said that when we tried to harness electricity.
F0reseer 1 year ago
@F0reseer ur analogy apples and lil girls is a lil weird!!! the moon thing was just me trying to be funny but i guess u couldnt tell.
toppgunn2232 1 year ago
@toppgunn2232 You KNOW whats really a BIG waste of TIME??? WAR!!.
drrojas 1 year ago 20
@drrojas and money
CroswhiteK 1 year ago
@drrojas Absolutely. Unfortunately the majority of the people are dull beyond imagination. That's why they do understand shooting and destruction a lot better than a higgs boson. In their unlimited ignorance, they find it to be pretty normal to become a murderer by joining the military and spend a quarter of their income for killing and destruction. People are idiots. We know it.
MillyVanillification 1 year ago
@MillyVanillification Yes indeed! Imagination is the primary seed of our success as humans (im tallking waaaay back in the day). Of course now , it seems like the only thing that matters is PRide ,as if we were to live of that , no more desire to know the unknown , not at all , I don't understad how people live the way they do. Well at least if they just lived and let all others alone. But no instead they seem to have an "opinion" about projects like the LHC , of course , ignorants and idiots.
drrojas 1 year ago
@drrojas Ummm... Yea.. Terrible waste of time going to war with, and defeating the Nazi's.. Dont lump all wars into one. It makes you sound unreasonable.
vtutthill 1 year ago
@amaqula
Just seen your profile. Catholic extremism... and total dogma.
Contra principia negantem disputari non potest.
We're closed.
psychobollox 1 year ago
@amaqula Oh, and just to add - some scientists have done just what you suggest and created String Theory. Only problem is that it's just maths - it hasn't been proved to be true. You can only do that by testing it in the real world.
And bear in mind that these guys are geniuses. If there is another way, they have the best chances of thinking of it - but they haven't - because they can't. Most physicists agree that the LHC is the best bet we have.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@amaqula The greatest scientific minds of the past had vastly easier problems to solve. No disrespect to Newton, he was a genius, but working out F=ma is a hell of a lot simpler than the maths physicists now have to deal with.
A final point is that science, fundamentally is based on evidence. And as we now have a vast knowledge of more commonplace evidence, we are forced to travel towards extreme energies to elicit new information about the Universe.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
All science which is unknown territory is difficult - and those trailblazers who broke through did so on some intuition before they had any evidence! Todays scientists seem to lack all intuituion direction and momentum! It has nothing to do with level of difficutly - but a lack of understanding and intuition!
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula Absolute nonsense. You obviously have no scientific background. All scientists look at evidence to create their theories - intuition alone CANNOT be used. In fact, in quantum mechanics, intuition is WRONG most of the time.
The more advanced physics gets, the more alien it becomes to our basic premises about the Universe. You, for example, might believe in the principle of causality since it is intuitive, but in actual fact physicists have proved that it is wrong.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
@BreachedWall
Intuition must preceed evidence - unless evidence lands automatically in your lap! I'm sure in some areas of science this does happen - but not in all areas - especially maths and physics! I agree advanced physics can be counter intuitive - but to some one gifted mind - they will sense the truth! And then of course they will seek evidence for it!
CATHOLIC STATE FOREVER!
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula That's not really true. As Richard Feynman once said, 'If you think you understand quantum physics, you don't.' Why not listen to the brilliant minds who say that this experiment is necessary? Why not listen to the people who you are praising?
But even if they could sense the truth - they still do need the evidence at the end of the day. And that's why they're doing this experiment. To shed light on all the recent theorising that has happened so far.
BreachedWall 1 year ago
anybody else having problems posting to this?
psychobollox 1 year ago
@DaytonaRoadster Thank you for the compliment. Pedantically you are correct on both: the gun & proof, my compliments. It is worrying to read comments about LHC's experiments. I fail to understand as to why American Christians are so against furthering of scientific knowledge. They are dragging it into the dark ages. It is not the money. Ted Turner 'gave' $10bn to the UN. America, the bastion of Science is lagging behind in two most important of scientific researches: Genetics and Physics.
amoralis123 1 year ago
Ovce, vi i zasluzujete ozonske rupe..
SuperstarDeLuxeTV 1 year ago
not like black mesa from half-life where all the scientist are half african and the other half white
insanic1 1 year ago
I've got the VIDEO of how much Earth would be destroyed if the LHC worked at full power
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kuztoml65 1 year ago
@kuztoml65 I would very much like to know the evidence defending your claimt. Let me assure you that LHC shall operate its full power for the next planned experiment to create the collision at 14 TeV. The heat is estimated to surpass the temperature of the core of the Sun by 10,000 times. Such high temperatures can only be contained by plasma the 4th state of Matter. Remember, weapons do not kill, the user of the weapon does. Why not work towards a socity where weapons would not be needed?
amoralis123 1 year ago
@amoralis123
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You just need to watch the VIDEO on my page.
It explains it all.
and weapons do kill people. If a gun dropped hard enough off a table it could fire and kill somone. No one pulled the trigger.
weapons kill people.
kuztoml65 1 year ago
@kuztoml65 No it wont, a drop on a firearm will NOT activitate the fireing pin, only a hammer strike will, you have no idea what your talking about and your just an anti-gun fucktard. Someone also has to drop the gun as well idiot.
DaytonaRoadster 1 year ago