Ninjutsu Master - Stephen Hayes

[Nordrian]

Arteanor and his classical propaganda, when he himself is quite questionable, as well as his knowledge...whatever, not the subject.

Interesting how Hayes said he HAD TO "update" the art, like it was his duty, yet, he didn't master it, he is just making money.

[jsokayama]

Hatsumi is a ninja. He "employes" people to do different things for different purposes, whether or not these "employees" are even aware of it. Just my 2 cents, and that's ALL it's worth. Go watch some good Hatsumi videos on Youtube now and forget all this bickering. Have a good evening folks.

[muitobem100]

Surely once you've caught both hands like this, the natural finish would be a straight kick to the groin or torso, not ducking under the arm to finish with a leg sweep!

[MrOphachew]

Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu.

[shinobioscuro]

es igual igual a lo q se ve en bujinkan

[Obiwan198]

I guess every fighter updates it for himself once he reaches certain level.

[ankarata]

@Obiwan198 Yeah, i think so too.

[itscrazycock]

Hes not a real master

[mmaninjitsu]

@itscrazycock you are an idiot, he has a dan in bujinkan ninpo and invented To Shin Do ninjitsu

[superpigforlife]

@itscrazycock HOW IS HE NOT A REAL MASTER? he is the founder of to shin do

[itscrazycock]

@superpigforlife I'm the founder of sum dum shit does that make me a master? Nogato is a master ichazuka is a master Hayes is a good promoter

[dragob732]

@itscrazycock you dont know what are you saying!

[itscrazycock]

@dragob732 extrapolate I am willing to learn anything but Mr. Hayes has only impressed me as far as to say that he created more interest in an already interesting art

[itscrazycock]

from what I hear he hasn't trained with Hatsumi sensei in years

[thetruebrit85]

Years ago the postures were very low,

So Ninjutsu needs to evolve to deal with today's conditions but it's also good to practice the very low postures to ad a "little" authenticity but if say someone had a go at you in a crowded area you would have absolutely no use or need use very low postures,..

[ToraJutsu01]

A very good philosophy.

[soytupadre777]

ESTE MAESTRO ES EL QUE LES ROMPE LOS BRAZOS A SUS ALUMNOS EN SUS VIDEO INSTRUCCIONALES JJAJAJAJA

[Digitalproducer1]

It seems to me that To Shin Do is more of a branded, franchised, watered down derivative of Bujinkan. It provided a theater for Stephen Hayes to award himself a 10th degree black belt in this self created system. When I learned of Stephen Hayes awarding someone a 6th degree black belt in Bujinkan (prior Hatsumi Sensie had been the only person with authority to award 5th degree black belt and higher) was like - Wait a minute. He seems sincere but this is definitely his livelihood.

[JKBBMF]

I like the double wrist grab off of the push. That would NOT work against a real, aggressive opponent. Period. The modern ninja wannabe would get his ass kicked against an aggressive street attack 9 times out of 10. Most of them need to stick to training in strip malls and buying into the BS. There are some with skill, but most want the confidence of feeling like they can defend themselves without ever having to prove it. Notice I said most, not all.

[Keaos0]

@JKBBMF

That is just one action to a particular incident. There are several ways to handle ones self in a fight. In the hands of a capable person, any type of self defense training can be lethal. Not to mention that the idea of a person being as aggressive as you claim to be normal for street fights. It is highly unlikely that they would be pushing, they'd more than likely be punching, kicking or tackling. Which is clearly not demonstrated in this video clip; at all.

[john1120]

i own this guy book! art of the ninja.

[Arteanor]

@fard

"wow u became an expert from one book?"

never claimed expertise, you are attacking a strawman.

"how ,any yrs of bujinkan training do u have?0?"

what does how many years i have in a fake ninja school do to change what is written on scrolls over 300 years old? ah right, 0

" tho so.stfu n gtfo utube u complete moron."

of course you thought so, you are only interested in protecting your biased assumptions. not in actually learning the correct information.

[fardisghomeshi]

update?he left the bujinkan how he updates it?

[bluemax1990]

sensei hayes says that he has to update it ,to keep it pure?.there's nothing wrong with updating,or innovating,but surely,the way to keep it pure is,teaching it,as it was taught,originally?.

[Arteanor]

@bluemax1990

"sensei hayes says that he has to update it "

funny, hatsumi said the same things in the infancy of the buj. its also the primary reason nobody takes his claims to 900 year old ryu seriously...

"there's nothing wrong with updating,or innovating,but surely,the way to keep it pure is,teaching it,as it was taught,originally?"

but what if you don't know how it was taught? what if you don't even know if the MA/taijutsu your teaching IS ninjutsu?

seems the only sensical explanation.

[fardisghomeshi]

@Arteanor wow u became an expert from one book? how ,any yrs of bujinkan training do u have?0? i tho so.stfu n gtfo utube u complete moron.

[jsokayama]

@Arteanor All I know is after training with one of Hatsumi's students for less than 1 year and then seeing Hatsumi live himself for the first time in Atlanta Tai Kai, I felt in awe. I'm not one to worship another human being either, There just seems to be a feeling of over all correctness about what Hatsumi does and teaches. That's all.

[pootland]

i mean no disrespect to anyone who practices the martial arts but i have been a bar manager going on 15 yrs now and seen many many real fights ,i find it hard to imagine that these types of techniques really work so well in a fast paced real fight..like i said b4 i am not meaning any disrecpect i just question it

[AnImmortalEra]

Ive seen street fighters get owned 95% of the time when they try to join MMA or something. Just saying,

[BLACKvLABEL]

@AnImmortalEra , i know right i love it when kids join MMA and think they kick ass just because they know how to punch correctly without hurting themselves or something now..makes me laugh

[jongee37]

@pootland go to a real dojo and see if it works i bet they will hand ur ass to you or anyone from the bar that whants to fight remember though a real dojo not some watered down american karate shit

[pootland]

@jongee37 ha ha yeah i wasnt tryin to start shit but listen bro i dont give a fuck who you are or what you know theres always someone out there who can kick your ass ! it doesnt matter what bar or dojo or ring you fight in and if anyone disagrees with that there just ignorant! i have pleanty of respect for street fighters mma fighters and "dojo" fighters !

[Blndrfist]

@jongee37 Give us the name and location of a "real dojo" you retarded assclown.

[3rdeye7thdimension]

@pootland This is true. But you learn to execute it slowly at first, then speed it up as you get competent in it. Someone who does a year in the art will only be able to produce rudimentary basics. But honing the technique will yield very devastating results. This is a basic concept of training in martial arts. However, if you want absolute protection of yourself and don't care if anyone else knows; use a pistol.

[6hippiegirl]

typical teen post  im awesome you suck, put in ten years of effort and pain then comment, poser.

[Creationsofmyown]

oh and your a double idiot... when its written it is libel  not slander, you ignorant fuckwit.

[Creationsofmyown]

if you are so ignorant to believe that the level of contfict in 200bce was sufficient for espionage like the ninja to be worthwhile then no wonder you couldnt figure out how to make that reply TOO me, instead of on the vid, scared ill come back and make a fool out of you maybe?

of course i would love you to cite a source for 200 BC, bet 50 bucks you made it up.

and im not slandering hatsumi. its not slander when its true...

[deafencryption]

wow angry

[Creationsofmyown]

not angry, just frustrated with all the idiots who seem to think that ninjutsu is soemthing they know.....

and the blatant refusal to listen to anything even slightly contradictory to their feelings....

[deafencryption]

yeah but you think you know, if they know or not, so your a fucking hypocrite. your bitching about your own actions man

[SlowBeeDies]

You see..in order for it to be old, i has ta make it new. And because im good Its bad. You seee, the only way i can make a million dollars at this, since i was a punk ass POS and couldnt raduate high school, is to convince other idiots to give me money and to reinvent this shit so i make it seem like something old. WHAT A BUNCH OF SHIT. This CLOWN Should wear a Big Red Nose and Floppy Shoes like all the other clowns. any of you Ninja clowns who listen to this ASS deserve what you get..

[crazyninjaful]

If it weren't for ninjutsu, Hayes would be living in a van down by the river (minus bonus Japanese wife).

[jongee37]

@crazyninjaful another moron u dont know shit

[fardisghomeshi]

@crazyninjaful lol

[larilin]

@SlowBeeDies Let me guess, you're a republican, right?

[Isamright33]

awsome man, AWSOME!!!

[BriThai]

If he's updating Ninjutsu, why is he still trotting around in a black gi and big toed slippers? Serious question.

[Litheius]

Stephen K Hayes was kicked out of the Bujinkan (Ninpo-Taijutsu) by the Soke. He's no longer got anything to do with it, so i wouldn't listen to a word he says really.

[TheBeyonder9]

Really? Hatsumi kicked him out? Why

?

[Litheius]

I was told the story a while ago but i can't remember why. Basically he just wasn't seen as doing the right thing. I'm sure you could find out somewhere though and don't get me wrong, Hayes is pretty skilled, but my guess is that Hatsumi didn't like where he was taking it or how he was treating it.

[ninjairuken]

He wasn't kicked out, he wanted to pursue his own goals. So he left with Soke's Blessing. Just so you know the Bujinkan Organization was not around back when Hayes Trained unde Soke Hatsumi. It was Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu, and Bujinkan is a variation of the school which Hatsumi is soke of.

[ninjairuken]

Togakure Ryu has two grandmasters, Masaaki Hatsumi of the Bujinkan, Shoto Tanemura of the Genbukan. Hatsumi was appointed "Omote Soke." (Main or visible grandmaster) Yoshio Fukumoto as an "Ura Soke." (Hidden Grandmaster)

[Creationsofmyown]

if you can manage to account for the fact that hatsumi claims a lineage that predates the start of ninjutsu you may be able to get him into the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai

or that Ueno Takashi was declared soke according to the genbukan... or that there arent any historical mentions of the ryus hatsumi claims...

compounded of course by Seiko Fujita being the last ninja... you are going to have to develop some hardcore evidence... so do tell... what you got?

[lordtains]

because he is still trying to keep it traditional? I don't know; good question

[XSirApocalypseX]

You want a true Ninja Master?

So give the tag kopronnja here in and you'll find a true ninja master!

[C00LTUBE]

Is Hayes a master?

[kotohinemura]

Mr Hayes is indeed a master. Alot of people would disagree, some people have real issues with the man but yet have never even trained with him. i have on many occassions as many others have. my advice would be if you get the chance to train with him, do so!! Dont believe the the bad comments that people tend to slander him with. True, everyones entitled to their own opinion, its just most of them dont have the correct facts. his reputation speaks for itself!!

[YumeDemon]

wat dan is he now is he a 15th dan

i wud say the same about norman smithers as well, if u get the chance to train with him do so

[STUMO222222]

You are right about what you say about Norm, his taijutsu is spot on!!! Trained with him a few times a couple of years ago and it was a great experience each time! bufu ikkan!

[dragob732]

@kotohinemura what about ronald duncan ,is he good?

[itscrazycock]

@dragob732 I dont think so but thats not for me to say

[dragob732]

@itscrazycock thanks for the answer,dude

[Arteanor]

@dragob732

i have seen a few different stories...

originally he claimed in crossfire magazine that he learned ninjitsu in the jungles of panama....

and then he told most of the students he learned koga ryu from Donn Draeger who doesn't even know ninjutsu or koga ryu.

if you want to train in his system, thats fine, but don't go expecting to find ninjutsu...

its all just mishmashy martial arts... another attempt to inject ninja flavor to combat, an attack on ignorance..

[metalfrommaine]

@Arteanor he trained directly with grand master masaaki hatsumi and is considered to be one of his best students and is the only westerner with a 10th dan rank and he is the real deal he teaches the same tequnics they taught 100's of years ago his name is engraved in the entrance to the hatsumi home dojo in japan and yes you will find 100% real ninjutsu in his schools.

[Arteanor]

@metalfrommaine so many lies... "with grand master masaaki hatsumi " another fake ninja. "and is considered to be one of his best students" outright lie, hatsumi is finished with hayes. "and is the only westerner with a 10th dan rank " outright lie. "he teaches the same tequnics they taught 100's of years ago" how can this be? when all of the claims of ninjutsu come through Toda Masamitsu Shinryuken, and he is a fictional person.... takamatsu made up his 'ninjutsu' . you bought the lie...

[Arteanor]

@jsoka

'Tatara magazine page 6.

John Lindsey in an interview with Tanemura S asks: "Did Takamatsu S always call it Togakure ryu?":

"Not at first. When he was associated with the Kuki family he planed to introduce Kukishin Ryu Ninpo in the form of scrolls and densho. But after the war he distanced himself from the Kuki family and decided not to do this. then he met Hatsumi S. and Fukumoto s. Takamatsu S.i decided to teach them Ninpo. That is when he decided to use the name Ninpo.'

[Arteanor]

@jsokayama

this is a particularly funny quote, as Tanemura ( once top student, and cousin to hatsumi ) has absolutely no reason to lie here about this school...

now why would takamatsu teach the taijutsu of 'togakure' ryu as being Kukishin first... unless he only made up the toda- togakure story AFTER he was denied a chance to open a branch ryu by kukishin ryu... oh wait, there ARE no mentions of either Toda, any of his schools, or togakure BEFORE he is denied branch in 1950

[ConnorJamesGormanGKR]

Pronounced Jutsu in Japan but where i'm from the UK its better to say Jitsu

[TargetGuy2245]

Reminds me of when I worked at for Matsushita. The name Matsushita is pronounced "Ma-shoo-sta". You do not pronounce a lot of translated japanese words like you think you would.

[SlowBeeDies]

@ConnorJamesGormanGKR --Really.? Pronounce “Ignorant” in English, but where i live we say IGNANT. Pretty Stupid HUH? it is NOT Jitsu, it is Jutsu. it is not Karakie, it IS Karate. Justifying an incorrect spelling or pronunciation is foolish. I see the fucking Brazilians spelling it Jui Jitsu. This isn’t something unique, its just fucking WRONG. JuJutsu isn’t a spelling that is up for debate. It is the phonetic pronunciation of the characters .. Im not talking about tomato or tomato.. WTF…?

[ConnorJamesGormanGKR]

Hes a master because hes trained under Masaaki Hatsumi

[SlowBeeDies]

@ConnorJamesGormanGKR - Hes a MASTER because he says he is.. Hes an IDIOT because I SAY he is. Fuck him. ASS MONKEY is more acurate

[MrRoflcopterfromHELL]

@ConnorJamesGormanGKR wow...lucky

[mtnphotoman]

I studied under instructor Kendall Kelsoe of the Austin Bujinkan Tanimaki Dojo for three years, and he studied under Mr. Hayes. I learned a LOT when I was there and I believe that Budo Taijutsu is an excellent martial art. Mr. Kelsoe was the BEST martial arts insturctor I have ever had! His approach and instructional technique was that of someone who has a true passion for the art.

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

Did you train against progressive resistance and incorporate some kind of spontaneous training, such as sparring?

Because I have yet to see evidence of effective training, which is really disappointing to me.

[mtnphotoman]

In the Dojo we used the technique of Tori and Uke (he who conquers and he who is conquered) for many of the techniques. Many of the techniques if done properly will dislocate joints, break bones, rupture internal organs and muscle tissue and nerve damage. These were done very carefully in order to prevent serious injury to your fellow Dojo participant. We would train with each other, but safety was a priority. Make no mistake, we did "spar" but it was done in a very controlled way.

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

The striking techniques taught in Muay Thai present a very, very real danger of serious maiming injury or death. The throws taught in Judo present a very real and present danger of serious spinal injury, concussion or death.

The chokes and locks taught in BJJ have a very real danger of becoming fatal or permanently maiming. Make no mistake, they are deadly. And they are trained in an alive manner.

Sparring should always be controlled, but it is also absolutely vital.

[ssjanime250]

@ilikeaeroplanejelly lol, dude every martial art is capable of killing and permanent injury.

[mtnphotoman]

As part of our training we were also encouraged to improvise (in a limited way) and adapt the techniques to fit the situation. In a real confrontation I would not hesitate to kick, hit, grab & crush someones genitals, rupture eyes, stomp on someones foot, break bones or do whatever else was necessary to survive. This martial art does not lend itself to traditional "Sparring" due to the possibility of severe injury and even fatal consequences. But the training technique of Tori and Uke is valid.

[photoblocker]

Vary well said

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

The "potentially fatal consequences" of sparring excuse is just that; an excuse. It's a misconception that the techniques taught in Ninjutsu are somehow deadlier than those taught in arts like Judo and Muay Thai. The throws and strikes are possibly even more dangerous in those arts and they spar with them just fine.

And plenty of reality-based self-defence programmes train groin strikes, gouging and biting in an alive and safe manner. It can be done, and it MUST be done.

[ryarod]

Well, I agree with you on the issue of sparring, but I must disagree with you about Ninjutsu's deadliness- it can be a very lethal martial art, and should not be taken lightly. Just because the strikes in Muay Thai are stronger, they are not necessarily more dangerous.

[Creationsofmyown]

i agree with your agreement on the sparring issue... but i have to disagree on your assumptions of ninjutsu...

there are NO videos of Seiko Fujita performing ANY of his ninjutsu as he is the only ninja who has been alive in the last 50 years i think we can safely say that you CANNOT know what ninjutsu looks like... trains like... anything... the art is extinct, if you care to elaborate further on your supposed knowledge i can further debunk it...

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

The Tori/Uke training technique is only valid as the beginnings of the learning of a technique. It's done in Judo for example to learn the fundamentals of the technique itself. That is, however, nowhere near as important as being able to apply that technique on a resisting opponent in a spontaneous situation, which is the purpose of Randori.

Spontaneous training in the form of sparring or something similar is absolutely vital for the development of martial ability.

[KenSpassione1]

I agree with this. In my school, we begin slowly with the partnered training and gradually add speed, random changes,resistance and have controllers observing the encounter to let the participants break free of the routine and actually spar a technique. It needs to flow not be a preset sequence.

[mangenroi]

one real good master of wing chun may kill in one defens attack master ninjutsu, very simple

[alchemyuser1]

he's a shrewd business man at best basically a con man

[nior000]

i admire stephen hayes and wat he is trying to do, i respect traditional ninjutsu as well but he has a point and he didnt make the art lose its purposes and become some sport or somethin, he kept it for defence purposes.

[ceafexftw]

How is he a "ninjitsu master" exactly? dosen't seem like it...

[OkamiNinja7]

It's pronounced "jutsu", not jitsu, there are no soft "i"'s in Japanese. And he's considered a ninjutsu master because he trained in Togakure ryu ninjutsu under Masaaki Hatsumi.

[ceafexftw]

Ever heard of a "typo"? i is right next to u on a keyboard...And no need to take a bitch fit.

[OkamiNinja7]

What the hell you talkin about? I'm not throwin a fit. I'm tellin you, not yellin at you. If I was throwin a fit, I'd be using lots of exclamation points so get your facts straight, okay? I was just tryin to tell you for your own personal benefits, not tryin to start somethin.

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

Doesn't matter, because they're both valid romanisations.

[OkamiNinja7]

It does if you don't wanna be made fun of by a Japanese. For instance, you wouldn't read 天真 as Tenjin, you'd read it as Tenshin.

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

No. They are both written romanisations. They are pronounced exactly the same in the English language. Pronunciations of vowels such as "u" and "i" change with accent anyway.

Ninjutsu and Ninjutsu are both based on two valid phonetic romanisations. They are phonetic written English for the Japanese terms.

[OkamiNinja7]

I beg to differ, ask any Japanese about that, they'll actually say that it's supposed to be "jutsu", trust me, I've asked Houzan Suzuki-sensei and a guy named Scottbaioisdead.

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

It's absolutely irrelevant because it's a phonetic translation. Do you beg to differ about that? Do you also beg to differ that "Jitsu" is the product of the Hepburn phonetic romanisation, and "Jutsu" the result of the Kunrei-shiki romanization?

Because that's the case. Do you know what a phonetic romanisation is? Because they're so variable that someone from the US could pronounce it very differently to someone from the UK, and that would mean they would prefer a different romanisation.

[OkamiNinja7]

Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is that it's actually pronounced "jutsu" in Japan, that's all.

[psychoticprankster01]

apart of Ninjitsu is adapting with the times and technology.......

[2FISTS4YERFACE]

so true finna76

[2FISTS4YERFACE]

I am no fan of how the bujinkan is full of soft ki monkeys now (compared to the eighties into the ninetees), but at the same time you need a reference point to make comments, and it is clear that your only reference point is Anime and Sho Kasugi movies. Ninpo is a valuable art, IF TRAINED PROPERLY WITH RESISTANCE AND CONTACT.

[Finnja76]

The thing about Bujinkan is that Hatsumi Soka stopped teaching Ninjutsu in the 80's. He says as much in his books. When he changed the name to Budo Taijutsu he stripped it of a lot, but kept what is relevant to people who want to train, but can't become "shinobi" because they have lives and jobs. It is still a viable and powerful martial art. Hayes just followed suit. If you ask Hayes, like Hatsumi he says he does not teach Ninjutsu, but Toshindo. It's a subtle difference, but a big one.

[2FISTS4YERFACE]

One of the Ryu-ha in the Bujinkan have ties to samurai aikijutsu....Takagi Yoshin Ryu. In addition many classical,traditional, and gendai jujutsu systems have "moves" (whatever the hell that means) that resemble "Aikido"... its called NAGE WAZA, AND KENSETSU WAZA.. throws and joint locks....

Sometimes the wisest man in the world is the fool that knows when to keep his mouth shut.

[2FISTS4YERFACE]

scsmit1, you are really showing a great deal of ignorance. Sure the technical application in the Bujinkan is often far from realistic training, but comments from an equally ignorant person don't count as wisdom. First it isn't spelled "ninjitsu", the anglicized form of the two words is "ninjutsu". Second you make an ignorant reference to Aikido. As taught by Ueshiba Morihei, Aikido was a direct redesigning of Daito-Ryu Aikijutsu. Many Koryu Samurai bujutsu had indirect ties to the aizu clan.

[2FISTS4YERFACE]

what?

[ShawnCole50]

scsmit1 you definitely need to lay off the ninja movies. The grappling is implemented in the art because you never know what type of situation you are going to be in.

[scsmit1]

If this is what Hayes wishes to do than he should rightfully change the name of his style to something new. That would satisfy everyone, including the actual Ninjitsu master(s). That might not sell as many books.

[scsmit1]

The "original" concept of Ninjitsu was to complete the mission with little or no contact, using various weapons, quick kills, evasiveness. This protected the one who sent the ninja as well. Hayes has them using complex moves/locks/grapples that resemble Aikido. The major art they were really concerned with was simply the Samurai Bushido. With there being so many styles today it would seem to simplify toward the direct would be best, but he has already gonethe other way with his "art".

[scsmit1]

This may be the most ridiculous comment I've ever heard. "By updating/changing the style away from it's original design, I'm making it more pure"? This really means; "If I change the style I can write/sell more books". He truly is a poser.

[guerillajack]

It is not well known, but Stephen Hayes was banished from the Bujinkan for inapropriate touching of the little ninjas.

This is a FACT.

I have to speak up because I am sick of all the lies.

[maceioninjutsu]

STILL GAY I SEE,

[guerillajack]

whatsup honky?

[Mikoisghost]

that's how it started in the first place great video, keep up the good work Peace