@Ubuntu4yourpc yeah, youre right but windows are better on gpu performance (but its the only better thing they have from linux), anyway they cannot compare them when linux works with emulator.
@Ubuntu4yourpc well its not an emulation exactly. rather than pretending to be windows, it just basically makes windows library's readable in linux.
as for speed, its not native and wont run as well as it would in windows. some games might run perfect. but others won't. eventually you will run into issues. especially with games that run heavy with windows only things like directX.
portal runs great in wine.
dragon age origins - i don't even think its runnable at all.
I love the way WoW runs in Linux and have always seen better frame rates than when in Windows. Too bad Blizzard shows no interest in finishing implimentation for OpenGL.
@RyanScfc1 Linux/wine is OpenGL, Windows7 is Direct3D. OpenGL in Windows is slower, so gave the best shot I could with both OSes. The only difference is D3D/OpenGL, all other settings exactly the same, all hardware exactly the same.
I am a massive Ubuntu lover, but am unfortunate to say that I have been swayed back to Win7 for Steam and its games. I have used Ubuntu for over 5 years, but have recently built a custom gaming PC.
Perhaps the day that Steam port over to Linux, I will follow back. But I guess I have to do with Dual-Booting, and having it installed on my laptop. I am still following the Linux scene closely.
I would be interested in seeing the results if Blizzard ever port WOW fully to Linux.
The differences shown in this test may look outstanding currently, but if Blizzard ever adapted their game, these results would have had a larger margin.
Just think how great and efficient the game would become if it did not rely on Wine for Linux. The performance lost from Wine would be eliminated, therefore the game performance will boost beyond belief.
Linux is capable of becoming the greatest gaming kernal
this is cool aw nice to see wine come on lol it's been ages since i tried using that program back when the first half life 2 was realised tried to run it using it failed terrible, i recon i might do this again to run wow on did you have no problems setting up wine?
@jrz0n3 None at all. Using Ubuntu 11.10 now, just 'sudo apt-get wine1.3' and you're done with that part. Compiling can get a bit frustrating tho. I do compile it sometimes. THAT, however, is not for here. Trying to keep it 'simple'
It's still pretty good considering it's not running on a native windows API and there has been no attempt on blizzards part to improve performance Linux performance. That being said since cataclysm my frame rates are nowhere near the same as windows 7 sadly.
I do like you did this vid although i wish you ran the game at the same settings in wine. this appear's to be windows at high graphic settings and wine on low settings. i will be trying this out any way so i will know 100% what is better.
I will be doing this on a
2600k overclocked to 4.8ghz but i hope i receive a good one then i could push 5.5ghz
Asus gtx580 SLI
16G of 2133 running at 1600 as to drop the latency.
I hope all my parts arrive soon and all free from defects.
@cwwilson721 This is obviously a flawed and hoax video. Phoronix . com has tons of benchmarks of OpenGL gaming on Lunix and Windows; Windows always comes on top due to the better video drivers.
I recently switched from Win7 to Ubuntu 11.04, and my ping was down from an average of 87 (home)/129 (world) and about 47 FPS on Win7 to an average of 47/49 and 51FPS. Not a big jump in frames, but I was shocked at how much better my ping is.
Although I've also seen Windows win on some OpenGL gaming tests, I have to say I always prefer OpenGL gaming on Linux. I must be really lucky, since my favorite games are in OpenGL. And I've had some pretty nice results even with an ATI card, when rumors have it sucks on Linux. My take: BS. Ubuntu FTW!
i did this same test but in Guild Wars.. and result were almost like yours... Linux just manages cpu/gpu so much better.. and it's funny since we have to use wine to run them so we need 2 programs and still runs better then in windows with only 1.
No windows installation that has ever touched the internet is 100% clean of viruses. A 2 year old install is vastly improved by reinstalling windows with a clean slate. Linux Doesn't Have This Problem, so it might run at 95% capacity of the original install, but easily 180% of the current win7 state.
i play it with ~45 fps on absolutely maximum in Ubuntu 11.04 . I tryed it in Windows 7 on same graphics seeting and it was ~22 . I can say only fuck microsoft with this winshit .
The results are reproducible. Install WoW in Windows, then Linux/wine. Tweak settings in both until you are satisfied that they are the same. Then test it yourself in a 'steady' enviornment (No battles, as little 'action' going on. Other players actions can/do change the results)
Although I love Linux and I love such results when comparing it to Windows, somehow I can't imagine, that this comparison was done completely fair.
I mean, it's very rare, that games nearly run as fast on wine as on native windows. And it's even more rare, that they run faster on wine. And then this: nearly twice as fast?
Seriously - although I hate to say it, but there HAS to be something wrong with it.
@dinex9r The reasons, are far as I can figure out are:
* Linux has MUCH better memory/CPU management
* Linux has MUCH better networking
* OpenGL has MUCH less 'garbage' in it than D3D
Open source shows it's strengths in this test. When you have thousands of 'developers' working on the same code, the crappy/inefficient lines get tossed, resulting in cleaner, faster code. When you have 'closed source' (Windows/D3D), nobody except the 'owners' can change it.
Only one problem.. I love linux.. but when you run wow with WINE it lowers the graphics.. OpenGL isn't as robust as DirectX is.. Thus raising your FPS.
I love to see how stupid can kids be... if he use fraps to record on windows it will drop him to 30 fps, i have like 200 fps on my computer using windows 7, i would like to try in ubuntu but i have no time atm.
TBH comparing game fps / latency in windows and linux u will get better status on windows cuz games are for windows, that's why i'm using windows.
@myschak No AA, everything else fair/good. I don't care for eye-candy. I wanna kill, not look at pretty stuff. If I crank eye-candy up up, I get about 30FPS in raids/major cities, 45-60 elsewhere
well I would like to see your movie in 10 or 25 man raid. Tryed to play WoW also on Ubuntu, its pretty playable, also in 5man instances, but when you are in the raid, you can roll joint and fuck the game. I like Ubuntu a lot but I choose win7 64-bit for playing World of warcraft. Anyway interesting movie!
Arch is good really come along way in the last 12 months it was really bare bones not long ago. Personally I believe Ubuntu is gonna lose the top spot if it does get its act together shortly. Anyway the fact is that canonical is basically a non-contributing member of the Open Source community.And it seems to be manoeuvring to be ready to capitalise whenever Linux becomes commercially viable. They have been No.1 at pushing Linux out to the mainstream and making it popularised,but for how long...
Fail, Windows was at 75FPS without the recorder and Linux was at 55, next time you try to record, get a better recorder. I mean, don't try to blame it on the OS when it clearly was the recorder, unless you out of stupidity did not notice.
@MohammadTypaldos No, idling Wow would actually drop the fps to around 30 fps. And don't you think that a 50 fps drop is too drastic for just idling? Come on man you must no nothing about this game or anything about computers. The recording software he used killed it, oh idiots.
@XxPoints2shopsxX My resume would say otherwise :P idiling reduces the amount of needed calculations as they cache and thus the CPU usage drops allowing it to cycle the main loop more.
Why even though the FPS at linux are higher i see the windows running it smoother? Or its my eyes....
I like linux better but i am not a fanboy, i wish linux could be better in gaming. Can u do a performance comparison with a real game benchmark? cause i guess this wow addon is not working properly
@oliverking90001 As compared to Windows? Er,...Yes, it is! Even with the "emulator" (Read first, then use wrong terms), Linux/wine/WoW is FASTER than straight Windows/WoW.
So how can it be "unfair" when the 'extra overhead' wins? That's like saying "The race between these two vehicles is unfair. They both have the same everything powering them, but the one that weighs twice as much won driving uphill. It's unfair!"
@AaronWillis "The name Wine initially was an acronym for WINdows Emulator.Its meaning later shifted to the recursive backronym, Wine Is Not an Emulator." Okay its a compatibility layer smartarse, to be honest its just a patent dodge so they don't get taken to court by MicroSoft, it bloody well is an emulator. It makes every attempt to mimic the Windows operating system and enviroment, they are just re-terming their definition, This is exactly what emulation is, even it is just a library.
""Wine is not just an emulator" would be a more correct name. Thinking of wine as just an emulator is really forgetting about the other things it is."
@oliverking90001 "The real idiot" Did you read their wiki or did you just fart out that information?
WINE doesn't emulate windows. Yes, I know what I am. I'm smarter than you and obviously know more about computers than you. Quotes: "There is a lot of confusion about this, particularly caused by people getting Wine's name wrong and calling it WINdows Emulator." "Wine is a compatibility layer"
@oliverking90001 WINE: Wine Is Not an Emulator, it doesn't emulate the operating system, it instead archives and uses the proper .dll files and compatibility versions to load the game. But yes the benchmarks are usually lower with wine than 7.
Yeah.. but... it actually says on the site that "it is not just an emulator", which clearly means it is. I fully understand it doesn't have CPU emulation, but reimplementing a library to replicated the same functionality whether it be in the form of a library or binary code is an EMULATOR, in 1993 Microsoft was considering trademarking Windows and the alteration to the acronym was proposed 'as a joke', look here groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/eb77fac360ad4a52?dmode=source
This battle between windows and Linux is a bit convoluted. The truth is you can't really say if one OS is better than the other in that they tend to target two entirely different audiences. Windows offers an environment for those who don't want or care to know the details of their OS. Linux gives users the ability to efficiently move about their OS without relying on having to use a GUI the whole time. I prefer Linux because I type faster than I click.
In this FPS "race", there is no 'convolution'. Head-to-head, same settings, same config.wtf file, same hardware, same place/time, Linux/wine/opengl beats Windows/D3D.
@cwwilson721 A few things to consider is how windows would handle with opengl, also I would like to see how this scales with hardware. One thing that hinders windows is the overhead from additional processes. What would this look like with a system with greater hardware specs, does the performance scale perfectly? How does each of these OS's perform under higher/lower game settings?
Also note, the maker of this video only has 2GB of RAM =/
@cwwilson721 Just noticed that you made the vid, nice job =). How is the comparison btwn the two in more demanding scenarios? Also the comment on the memory, on Win7 my machine idles using ~2.1 GB memory while ubuntu stays around 600MB, this would make a huge impact on a 2GB system. I'm not hating on WINE btw, i use it play SC2 all the time and I haven't booted win7 in months.
Another reason Linux/wine/WoW runs 'faster' is this very thing. Windows memory management is horrible in comparison.
Linux was designed from the ground up to be a multi-tasking AND multi-user environment, thus memory and process management is much tighter, as is the network stack. Combine all of these, along with OpenGL's 'lighter' usage, and you can see that wine/WoW is faster.
@holychikenz Windows loads memory to make your expierence better, I've actually tried Windows with 1GB and it uses about 300MB, with 3GB it uses around 700GB
The 'every tuesday' updates from M$ are optional. The 'Patch Tuesdays' for WoW are not. If you wanna talk about waiting for patches...and queues to get into the servers, plus paying $15/month for this 'privilege'...yeah. ;)
All I've ever used for security updates are the service packs and I haven't run into any issues. I use Avira (which is free) and I avoid questionable sites.
What viruses are 64-bit compatible? Please do tell :)
In the ubuntu forums you said you were using the opengl renderer in both ubuntu and windows. This conflicts with you saying that opengl in linux beats directx in win7. So which is it? :P
There is a noticeable quality difference in other games between directx and opengl. Each has its benefits and drawbacks.
All this said, I'm eager to try this out, though it probably will be on a private server (temporarily of course) since I hate Blizzard's monthly-fee bullshit. I played retail WoW and I moved on. Both Rift Online and Aion Online offer much better unique experiences that WoW can't match. ;)
And yeah, Aion has its own issues but its the most balanced pvp-based game around. :)
-I know I can tweak it in nearly any possible way I want through a GUI-based interface without worrying about compiling/editing source code.
-I know I can do nearly anything in Win7 without ever touching a command console interface. We grew out of DOS decades ago, and XP finally dumped it for good. ;)
-Get a normal non-tech computer user using Ubuntu for 10 mins. Ask them what they liked and didn't like.
@jcdenton2k I'm not an Ubuntu fan, but if you get a normal user on it, they'll love it. 10.10 and 11.04 are very centered around multimedia and being social and to top it all off it's integrated with no third party software needed. Normal people like being able to chat with friends and explore the web quickly without any fuss and not much else, which is about all Ubuntu is good for.
Personally I'll stick to W7x64 and Arch64 dual boot on my hand built PC =)
What I enjoy the most about Windows is convenience. When I download any program I can just run it (and get a UAC prompt) and not worry about finding source code or a specific exact version for my specific distro.
Most people are not programmers and compiling code is outside the expertise of 98% of computer users. Even I don't touch it, its too much hassle for me.
Also Windows is FULLY GUI-based. Win7 'godmode' makes Linux console look like ancient tech. ;)
@jcdenton2k GO bash Linux somewhere the script kiddies will pay attention.
You have NO idea what Linux is. You just take Microsoft's word for everything.
Does my Linux box run Antivirus? No. There is no need. Malware scans? No need. Security updates every Tuesday? Nope. Do I wait 3-4 months (if an issue gets patched at all) for a security patch? Nope.
Cost? Linux=$0
Windows $129+ for OS, $60+ for good AV, $40+ for good malware/adware, and I can't change what needs to be changed.
Yes, OpenGL has advantages over DirectX (its not even called Direct3D anymore?). It also has disadvantages because there's a noticeable quality drop in most games that support both renderers.
Also, WoW is NOT optimized for OpenGL, that's an 'alpha renderer' as quoted by the patch notes that introduced OpenGL, I believe it was 3.2.0 or something, after Lich King.
You have inspired me to run my own tests though, to finally shut my bro's mouth about Linux. I like to tweak :)
If you want to be taken seriously, you may want to do a bit of windows 7 'tweaking' to get rid of the major system hogs that it has. Win7 is NOT optimized out of the box (which is what I'm assuming you're using). Things like Indexing and System Restore Services love to suck up resources. We also don't see if you're running any antivirus or other tasks via task manager, so you could be screwing up the results on purpose to prove your point.
I'm very impressed by the results. Even with the 'emulation' that Wine tends to do, its still very nice to have such impressive results!
Generally, Windows games use DirectX because its a part of the operating system and takes full advantage of the hardware. Linux games tend to use OpenGL due to the overhead associated with emulation of DirectX games.
I appreciate the thought and effort here but your results are flawed.
@jcdenton2k Erm...NO. Linux uses opengl because it is OPEN SOURCE. D3D is CLOSED SOURCE. MS won't let anyone look at the source code.
MY Win7 IS 'optimized'. It is 'tweaked to a inch of it's life'. No AV, Indexing, nor any extraneous System Services. (I've been running Windows since Windows 2. I do know what I'm doing). Win7 even has all the "network latency tweaks" (Needed because Microsoft TCP/IP stack is so POORLY written/coded. Google it if you don't believe me)...
@Wolfdaleify That's why every piece of hardware in the world uses directx and just microfuck's xbox and windoze use opengl! Or is it the other way around?
FRAPS always takes some frames; I tried it one time playing Minecraft and it easily halved my FPS. I have a 4890 and a Phenom II with 4 gigs of RAM. Just saying.
FRAPS always takes some frames; I tried it one time playing Minecraft and it easily halved my FPS. I have a 4890 and a Phenom II with 4 gigs of RAM. Just saying.
Acutely, this test doesn't say anything....when you fraps in windows your FPS gets locked at 30, you can change this in fraps settings. But you have not done that in this video. : /
@cozimoz Also, if you want lower latency in windows you can use Leatrix ms fix, works greate and you should have about the same ms as if you where on a linuxmachine.
Don't get me wrong with these posts, I like linux more than windows. I just needed to point this out.
With my 8400GS, with the same settings as my 9600GSO, my FPS is about the same as yours. The main issue is the vidcard has very slow memory/clock/core, not many cores, and VERY narrow memory bandwidth. What you have FPS wise, is about all you can do. a 8400GS is NOT good for gaming. A general rule of thumb is 128bit MIN, and at least 32 cores to really even start to play all content (10-25 man, BGs, etc)
@cwwilson721 with this configuration: AMD PHENOM X6 1055T 2.8 GH, MOTHER ASUS M4N68T-M LE , 4BG RAM DDR3 1333hz ,GEFORCE 9500GT 128 B run well cataclysm. ubuntu wine in 10.10, with 90 fps?
@cozimoz "Acutely", I have NO idea what YOU use . My FRAPS does not 'lock' at 30. Get a better OS than 95, upgrade your hardware past a Trinity AGPx1 card, hardware, and CONFIGURE.
My FRAPS goes above 30 all the time. I was just showing in THIS area, doing the SAME thing, as close to possible at the SAME time, with the SAME in game settings, that WoW/Wine has a higher FPS than Win7/D3D does. In some places, EVEN WITH FRAPS RUNNING, my FPS in Win7/D3D is above 80-90.
Im a Linux user, have been for a lot of years. But i would be interested to see this same test done in a place where there is actually something going on, i saw one Player in IF, this is either a new server or a private server. Ive never been able to get WOW to run worth a shit in wine, i so wish it would, but i go into a 25 man raid using wine and i get like 5 fps , where as on my win 7 i get 50+ fps. Running Nvidia9600m
1-Since a 9600M is NOT really a gaming chip, it would also depend on the rest of your hardware.
2-Turn down all your settings, then turn up SLOWLY one at a time until you get a good balance between FPS and Eye-candy.
3-Add RAM
All three of the above will help you out. And it is NOT a new server, or a private server. And I picked a time/area where nothing was going on, so I would get SETS of REAL results, not dependent on others actions, battles, etc.
@cwwilson721 dual core 2 duo @ 2.26ghz 4gigs of ram, i dont think its my gfx card as i get 50+fps on my windows partition. My specs are well above the recommended.
I disagree about the REAL results part of the test, your not really playing the game in your test, your just running around, fight some mobs , make something happen. Real results require REAL game play. no one just runs around in a deserted area doing nothing.
@cwwilson721 ohcool wowmatrix works perfectly ty ;DD, one last thing do you know why wow crashes every 2 or 2 and a half hours on WINE? it says it doesnt have enough memory and it wont start again until i restart my computer however if it is referring to hard drive space or RAM space i have pletny of both :/
@skater4life0977 It's referring to your RAM memory. Check your processes and ram's usage to see what's going wrong. It's the first time I'm hearing about that..
@skater4life0977 Errors like that are next to impossible to figure out in a place like this.
Think about it: You're running a UNIX-ish OS at either 32 or 64 bit, then add in wine itself, add in windows dlls, video drivers/modules, whatever other processes you have going on, the kernel, and WoW itself. Then do wines job, and eventually, things go 'poof'.
@IksfNordrassil I don't do D3D in Linux. I'm not going to try to install it correctly in my wine/WoW folder, just in case. It screws up, my WoW doesn't work.
And my card is a D3D9 one, so 11 is not gonna happen.
I HONESTLY need an answer for this question, i've been asking people forever and havent gotten answers, For wow, cataclysm and stuff.... like in orgrimmar how much fps would i have with a computer with these specs:
AMD Athlon II 250 Dual-Core
3.00GHz
4 GB RAM
640 GB hard drive capacity
7200 RPM
NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE graphics card
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please answer this question. shouldnt be too hard for people who know about computers alot, and i obviously dont
@JcRealz1 well dude.. yeah, it is hard to answer because your specs are only 1/4 of the information that us "people who know about computers" would need to even give you a shady inaccurate ball park guesstimate. Also relevant info would be do you have the most recent video drivers? is your OS (im assuming windows) up to date? and what in game video settings do you plan on using(ranging from poor to ultra)?
@cwwilson721 ....now I just feel stupid for not clicking the info button XD Thanks for the reply and the video. It seems I can finally switch to Linux XD
@Kingneo0053 I've been using wine/Ubuntu since Cata came out (Actually, been doing it for years)...Can't get it to even WORK in Windows 7 now...Gives me something to do for the holidays, tho...lol
@ssdwfromnl wine is NOT an 'emulator'. An emulator provides a complete enviornment for a program to run, thinking it is in the 'emulated' machine. Hardaware is all fake, all software. Thus, if a program needs the videocard, it is actually running in a 'fake' videocard, then sent to the real videocard. The name, 'wine', stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator". All wine does is provide some Widows "hooks" so Windows apps can run in Linux, on the actual hardware.
@stopthrm microsoft doesn't write the drivers for high end video cards - and you're completely wrong, GLSL is suported on windows - look it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me: "Cross-platform compatibility on multiple operating systems, including GNU/Linux, Mac OS and Windows." - also, do you even know what you're saying when you say "Native" ?
Thanks! Now i know that i can play WOW in linux with playable FPS. =) But i still want a native opengl port or something like that. I think it is not so hard to do.
This comparison has one major flaw: It's testing Direct3D vs. OpenGL. The windows client should be run in OpenGL as well. That said, I've had no problems with any of the Blizzard games in Linux - things run great in Wine.
im not sure how accurate this is for higher end systems, i'm going to have to try this my self but if i remember right i actually had lower fps using wine than native windows 7 (course i strip windows down to about 6 running processes haha), which distro of linux are you using, just ubuntu 10.10 or something like linux mint?
@Warhawke08 10.10. However, I've just doubled my memory (to 4GB DDR2 666), and with the new changes to WoW (patches), I can't do back-to-back runs for now. Windows and Linux FPS have increased quite a bit. I'll post new results after things have settled down.
Although FPS is higher according to the onscreen information, Linux looks a bit more rough to me. If you look at the objects scrolling past the screen edges as an example, they dont look as smooth, just seems abit jerkier overall. Not bad enough to make the game unplaying but windows looks smoother to me.
@smexymage unlike fraps (the software he used in windows) the recording tool he used in Linux was/is not ment for recording games, therefore the stuttering is caused by the recording software and is not a game issue
@MrKimm Ya gotta use what you gotta use. At least it worked. The stuttering (some, at least) was partially caused by my cat jumping up in my lap, and scaring me to death, thus stopping the run twice...The rest of the stutter was barely noticable, tho.
But at least using gtkmydesktop WORKED in a wine window (which it used to not), and didn't kill the FPS much. FPS drop with FRAPS and gtkmydesktop was about the same, so I still stand by my findings
@cwwilson721 dont get me wrong, I didn't mean to accuse you of picking the wrong software, I was just explaining why the video stuttered more even though the game FPS was higher ^^
I've seen posts by "Experts" on forums saying that since "...Linux has to use an emulator (wine), that there is more overhead and runs slower. There is NO way WoW runs faster in Linux than on Windows."
@cwwilson721 tell me pls what details u used to run wow, was it on low, medium, high..., i tryed some time ago to run wow in linux Ubuntu 10.04 and never get over 40 fps in places where in windows 7 i had allmost 117 fps. and where i get 40 fps in windows i get 7 fps in linux.
I really really wanna use linux coz i just love it.
Basically, almost everything as low as it can go, or off.
NO AA
No Triple Buffer
No Sync.
Here's my config.wtf (posted on another forum:
I use an Nvidia card, too. Reason for that is the issues ATi seems to have with the current kernels and Xorg. And forget getting an Intel vidchip to work.
@cwwilson721 i dont wanna play on low or off detailes since i play on windows full maxed out and have arround 50 fpl all the time, i`m curious if i can play lets say medium settings on linux and have at least 30 fps, u think its possible, can you test it ? i don`t have Ubuntu installed atm on my pc, and let me know, thank you.
@iulimotor Actually, no, I can't 'test' that. Your hardware is NOT the same as mine.
This isn't a "HOW-TO", it's a comparison of Linux/wine VS Windows 7 running WoW
If you want to get your install working, or tweak your settings, go to the forums for Ubuntu, or whatever distro you want to use. You can get help there (if you install a distro first.)
I certainly recommend everyone who just talks without knowing to read this link first!
Wine is not an emulation and in some cases it may get better results than windows. For network kind-a-things linux will most certainly wins.
google wine myths debunking and go for winehq wiki!
TheGertwor 1 week ago
Man i love linux but come on !
it can't be true ! wine is something like emulation so that means that will always have less performance.
This isn't possible but anyway you're welcome.
Ubuntu4yourpc 2 weeks ago
@Ubuntu4yourpc WINE dtands for : Wine Is Not an Emulator. And GNU/Linux needs less memory than Windows.
Densterbert 1 week ago
@Ubuntu4yourpc yeah, youre right but windows are better on gpu performance (but its the only better thing they have from linux), anyway they cannot compare them when linux works with emulator.
TheMitsaras98 1 day ago
Man i'm a linux fan but is this possible ??
I can't believe it dude ! its crazy ! Wine is something like emulation ok? what it runs faster ?
dont know !
Answer please
Ubuntu4yourpc 1 month ago
@Ubuntu4yourpc well its not an emulation exactly. rather than pretending to be windows, it just basically makes windows library's readable in linux.
as for speed, its not native and wont run as well as it would in windows. some games might run perfect. but others won't. eventually you will run into issues. especially with games that run heavy with windows only things like directX.
portal runs great in wine.
dragon age origins - i don't even think its runnable at all.
techfighterminal 1 month ago
I love the way WoW runs in Linux and have always seen better frame rates than when in Windows. Too bad Blizzard shows no interest in finishing implimentation for OpenGL.
mightiemousie 1 month ago
I don't know if you mentioned this already, but did you run WOW in OpenGL?
I am not a WOW player, but I am assuming it is possible.
If so, then I completely respect this test. If not, I would understand where a little of the difference is from.
RyanScfc1 1 month ago
@RyanScfc1 Linux/wine is OpenGL, Windows7 is Direct3D. OpenGL in Windows is slower, so gave the best shot I could with both OSes. The only difference is D3D/OpenGL, all other settings exactly the same, all hardware exactly the same.
cwwilson721 1 month ago
@cwwilson721 Still an interesting feat.
I am a massive Ubuntu lover, but am unfortunate to say that I have been swayed back to Win7 for Steam and its games. I have used Ubuntu for over 5 years, but have recently built a custom gaming PC.
Perhaps the day that Steam port over to Linux, I will follow back. But I guess I have to do with Dual-Booting, and having it installed on my laptop. I am still following the Linux scene closely.
RyanScfc1 1 month ago
I would be interested in seeing the results if Blizzard ever port WOW fully to Linux.
The differences shown in this test may look outstanding currently, but if Blizzard ever adapted their game, these results would have had a larger margin.
Just think how great and efficient the game would become if it did not rely on Wine for Linux. The performance lost from Wine would be eliminated, therefore the game performance will boost beyond belief.
Linux is capable of becoming the greatest gaming kernal
RyanScfc1 1 month ago
Whahaha all those MS fanbooys can't stand it that Linux performs better and press the dislike button. HOW SAD!!!
dickdistortion 2 months ago
this is cool aw nice to see wine come on lol it's been ages since i tried using that program back when the first half life 2 was realised tried to run it using it failed terrible, i recon i might do this again to run wow on did you have no problems setting up wine?
jrz0n3 3 months ago
@jrz0n3 None at all. Using Ubuntu 11.10 now, just 'sudo apt-get wine1.3' and you're done with that part. Compiling can get a bit frustrating tho. I do compile it sometimes. THAT, however, is not for here. Trying to keep it 'simple'
cwwilson721 3 months ago
@cwwilson721 ah thanks for getting back to me mate :) will give it a try going download ubuntu the night. thanks.
jrz0n3 3 months ago
It's still pretty good considering it's not running on a native windows API and there has been no attempt on blizzards part to improve performance Linux performance. That being said since cataclysm my frame rates are nowhere near the same as windows 7 sadly.
holastickboy 4 months ago
I do like you did this vid although i wish you ran the game at the same settings in wine. this appear's to be windows at high graphic settings and wine on low settings. i will be trying this out any way so i will know 100% what is better.
I will be doing this on a
2600k overclocked to 4.8ghz but i hope i receive a good one then i could push 5.5ghz
Asus gtx580 SLI
16G of 2133 running at 1600 as to drop the latency.
I hope all my parts arrive soon and all free from defects.
McKay1911 4 months ago
@McKay1911 How many times do I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF!?!?!?!?!
ALL SETTINGS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!
cwwilson721 4 months ago 3
@cwwilson721 they need to intergrate the shadows and liquid into opengl!!
MusicGameNerd 4 months ago
@cwwilson721 This is obviously a flawed and hoax video. Phoronix . com has tons of benchmarks of OpenGL gaming on Lunix and Windows; Windows always comes on top due to the better video drivers.
You are a fraud and a huge troll.
longguilol15 1 month ago
@longguilol15 your a fail
dillonw2 1 month ago
I recently switched from Win7 to Ubuntu 11.04, and my ping was down from an average of 87 (home)/129 (world) and about 47 FPS on Win7 to an average of 47/49 and 51FPS. Not a big jump in frames, but I was shocked at how much better my ping is.
TheSurlyjew 6 months ago
Although I've also seen Windows win on some OpenGL gaming tests, I have to say I always prefer OpenGL gaming on Linux. I must be really lucky, since my favorite games are in OpenGL. And I've had some pretty nice results even with an ATI card, when rumors have it sucks on Linux. My take: BS. Ubuntu FTW!
Nice job with the video, man!
MrStanPatitul 6 months ago
I can run Minecraft on Tiny w/ smooth lighting on Windows; On Linux I can run Far w/ smooth lighting. Now I only play Games on Linux lol.
MindWarpization 6 months ago
does wow and its expansions work on windows 7?
MinatoNamikaze30 6 months ago
@MinatoNamikaze30
Of course
cwwilson721 6 months ago
i did this same test but in Guild Wars.. and result were almost like yours... Linux just manages cpu/gpu so much better.. and it's funny since we have to use wine to run them so we need 2 programs and still runs better then in windows with only 1.
Jonaylo 6 months ago 2
Any Unix system is extreme good. Windows is extreme bad.
DarthV1CT0R 6 months ago
Here's my take:
No windows installation that has ever touched the internet is 100% clean of viruses. A 2 year old install is vastly improved by reinstalling windows with a clean slate. Linux Doesn't Have This Problem, so it might run at 95% capacity of the original install, but easily 180% of the current win7 state.
willrandship 7 months ago
i play it with ~45 fps on absolutely maximum in Ubuntu 11.04 . I tryed it in Windows 7 on same graphics seeting and it was ~22 . I can say only fuck microsoft with this winshit .
mattyy1cz 7 months ago
wtf..where's the full screen option ofr this video? every youtube video has it?
chronofusion 7 months ago
0:19 Once the recording software stops the Framerates in WoW goes down alot, Windows mode/camtasia works for me without decreasing FPS.
iGarthi 7 months ago
Can you do the same test in a 25 man raid?
I am considering getting ubuntu instead of windows .
MartinPerssonDotName 7 months ago
linux lost the beginning is windows the end is linux >.>
SOxxLegit 8 months ago
The results are reproducible. Install WoW in Windows, then Linux/wine. Tweak settings in both until you are satisfied that they are the same. Then test it yourself in a 'steady' enviornment (No battles, as little 'action' going on. Other players actions can/do change the results)
Do it yourself, and see.
cwwilson721 8 months ago
Although I love Linux and I love such results when comparing it to Windows, somehow I can't imagine, that this comparison was done completely fair.
I mean, it's very rare, that games nearly run as fast on wine as on native windows. And it's even more rare, that they run faster on wine. And then this: nearly twice as fast?
Seriously - although I hate to say it, but there HAS to be something wrong with it.
dinex9r 8 months ago
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@dinex9r The reasons, are far as I can figure out are:
* Linux has MUCH better memory/CPU management
* Linux has MUCH better networking
* OpenGL has MUCH less 'garbage' in it than D3D
Open source shows it's strengths in this test. When you have thousands of 'developers' working on the same code, the crappy/inefficient lines get tossed, resulting in cleaner, faster code. When you have 'closed source' (Windows/D3D), nobody except the 'owners' can change it.
At least, that's my take.
cwwilson721 8 months ago 8
@cwwilson721 Sounds pretty much right. OpenGL also has much better performance than DirectX does.
graphel145 3 months ago
Only one problem.. I love linux.. but when you run wow with WINE it lowers the graphics.. OpenGL isn't as robust as DirectX is.. Thus raising your FPS.
ozzzzysh 8 months ago
RecordMyDesktop decreases much more FPS than Fraps. It's faster in Ubuntu without recording too. ................ Thanks for this video, good work!
mattyy1cz 8 months ago
@mattyy1cz No it does not, Fraps encodes the video on the fly, RecordMyDesktop does it after you finish recording the screen.
iGarthi 7 months ago
I love to see how stupid can kids be... if he use fraps to record on windows it will drop him to 30 fps, i have like 200 fps on my computer using windows 7, i would like to try in ubuntu but i have no time atm.
TBH comparing game fps / latency in windows and linux u will get better status on windows cuz games are for windows, that's why i'm using windows.
Pokez0rd 9 months ago
Then your hardware sucks. I play 40mans on my 65 Dwarf all the time.
cwwilson721 9 months ago
@cwwilson721 on low details
myschak 9 months ago
@myschak No AA, everything else fair/good. I don't care for eye-candy. I wanna kill, not look at pretty stuff. If I crank eye-candy up up, I get about 30FPS in raids/major cities, 45-60 elsewhere
cwwilson721 9 months ago
well I would like to see your movie in 10 or 25 man raid. Tryed to play WoW also on Ubuntu, its pretty playable, also in 5man instances, but when you are in the raid, you can roll joint and fuck the game. I like Ubuntu a lot but I choose win7 64-bit for playing World of warcraft. Anyway interesting movie!
myschak 9 months ago
I have windows 7, how can i run WoW with Linux?
syber95 9 months ago
what program is that the one that allows you to see frame rate and video ?
kakaroto1986 9 months ago
@kakaroto1986 For the FPS (and Latency) I use the addon Recount. Video recording is in the Info
cwwilson721 9 months ago
Arch is good really come along way in the last 12 months it was really bare bones not long ago. Personally I believe Ubuntu is gonna lose the top spot if it does get its act together shortly. Anyway the fact is that canonical is basically a non-contributing member of the Open Source community.And it seems to be manoeuvring to be ready to capitalise whenever Linux becomes commercially viable. They have been No.1 at pushing Linux out to the mainstream and making it popularised,but for how long...
oliverking90001 10 months ago
Fail, Windows was at 75FPS without the recorder and Linux was at 55, next time you try to record, get a better recorder. I mean, don't try to blame it on the OS when it clearly was the recorder, unless you out of stupidity did not notice.
XxPoints2shopsxX 10 months ago
@XxPoints2shopsxX he was probably idling too which would increase it. Oh, trolls.
MohammadTypaldos 9 months ago
@MohammadTypaldos No, idling Wow would actually drop the fps to around 30 fps. And don't you think that a 50 fps drop is too drastic for just idling? Come on man you must no nothing about this game or anything about computers. The recording software he used killed it, oh idiots.
XxPoints2shopsxX 9 months ago
@XxPoints2shopsxX My resume would say otherwise :P idiling reduces the amount of needed calculations as they cache and thus the CPU usage drops allowing it to cycle the main loop more.
MohammadTypaldos 9 months ago
Why even though the FPS at linux are higher i see the windows running it smoother? Or its my eyes....
I like linux better but i am not a fanboy, i wish linux could be better in gaming. Can u do a performance comparison with a real game benchmark? cause i guess this wow addon is not working properly
akaros81 10 months ago
@akaros81 Before recording windows was running at 75fps, after it was like 28, On linux before it was running at like 55fps, after it was like 50-48.
XxPoints2shopsxX 10 months ago
This isnt a fair comparision your running Wine which is an emulator , which has overhead ......another idiot.
oliverking90001 10 months ago
@oliverking90001 As compared to Windows? Er,...Yes, it is! Even with the "emulator" (Read first, then use wrong terms), Linux/wine/WoW is FASTER than straight Windows/WoW.
So how can it be "unfair" when the 'extra overhead' wins? That's like saying "The race between these two vehicles is unfair. They both have the same everything powering them, but the one that weighs twice as much won driving uphill. It's unfair!"
cwwilson721 10 months ago
@cwwilson721 wow now what I would expect. Also does WINE access the hardware or does it actually have `overhead`?
MohammadTypaldos 9 months ago
@MohammadTypaldos
wine, being a native Linux app, accesses hardware just like any program.
cwwilson721 9 months ago
@oliverking90001 LOL! Funny you call him an idiot, but you're the one that thinks WINE is an emulator. WINE is not an emulator. LOL
AaronWillis 10 months ago
@AaronWillis "The name Wine initially was an acronym for WINdows Emulator.Its meaning later shifted to the recursive backronym, Wine Is Not an Emulator." Okay its a compatibility layer smartarse, to be honest its just a patent dodge so they don't get taken to court by MicroSoft, it bloody well is an emulator. It makes every attempt to mimic the Windows operating system and enviroment, they are just re-terming their definition, This is exactly what emulation is, even it is just a library.
oliverking90001 10 months ago
To Aaron "the idiot" just to clarify:
FYI from the WINE website I QUOTE
""Wine is not just an emulator" would be a more correct name. Thinking of wine as just an emulator is really forgetting about the other things it is."
You know what you are now !!!
oliverking90001 10 months ago
@oliverking90001 "The real idiot" Did you read their wiki or did you just fart out that information?
WINE doesn't emulate windows. Yes, I know what I am. I'm smarter than you and obviously know more about computers than you. Quotes: "There is a lot of confusion about this, particularly caused by people getting Wine's name wrong and calling it WINdows Emulator." "Wine is a compatibility layer"
AaronWillis 9 months ago
@oliverking90001 WINE: Wine Is Not an Emulator, it doesn't emulate the operating system, it instead archives and uses the proper .dll files and compatibility versions to load the game. But yes the benchmarks are usually lower with wine than 7.
holychikenz 10 months ago
Yeah.. but... it actually says on the site that "it is not just an emulator", which clearly means it is. I fully understand it doesn't have CPU emulation, but reimplementing a library to replicated the same functionality whether it be in the form of a library or binary code is an EMULATOR, in 1993 Microsoft was considering trademarking Windows and the alteration to the acronym was proposed 'as a joke', look here groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/eb77fac360ad4a52?dmode=source
oliverking90001 10 months ago
@oliverking90001 wine my FRIEND.
!!! is not an emulator!!!!
hence -> w.i.n.e Wine is not an Emulator
do you know what your talkin about?
Shockszzbyyous 9 months ago
@Shockszzbyyous The original name was WINdows Emulator, wine. But they changed it to further avoid copyright and DMCA laws.
XxPoints2shopsxX 9 months ago
@XxPoints2shopsxX it doesn't emulate, it is a shell.
Shockszzbyyous 9 months ago
@Shockszzbyyous It does emulate, it's orignal name was Windows emulator, what the hell are you tlaking about?
XxPoints2shopsxX 6 months ago
@XxPoints2shopsxX read thier wiki unless they are lyin?
Shockszzbyyous 6 months ago
@XxPoints2shopsxX
wine = Wine Is Not (an) Emulator (wikipedia)
24092054 6 months ago
@24092054 If a human is named, I am not a human, doesn't mean that he isn't. THey changed the name for legal reasons. Wine is an Emulator.
XxPoints2shopsxX 6 months ago
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@oliverking90001 Your ignorance is astounding...
FTBoogie 9 months ago
This battle between windows and Linux is a bit convoluted. The truth is you can't really say if one OS is better than the other in that they tend to target two entirely different audiences. Windows offers an environment for those who don't want or care to know the details of their OS. Linux gives users the ability to efficiently move about their OS without relying on having to use a GUI the whole time. I prefer Linux because I type faster than I click.
holychikenz 11 months ago
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@holychikenz
In this FPS "race", there is no 'convolution'. Head-to-head, same settings, same config.wtf file, same hardware, same place/time, Linux/wine/opengl beats Windows/D3D.
The video proves this.
END OF DISCUSSION.
cwwilson721 11 months ago 2
@cwwilson721 A few things to consider is how windows would handle with opengl, also I would like to see how this scales with hardware. One thing that hinders windows is the overhead from additional processes. What would this look like with a system with greater hardware specs, does the performance scale perfectly? How does each of these OS's perform under higher/lower game settings?
Also note, the maker of this video only has 2GB of RAM =/
holychikenz 11 months ago
@cwwilson721 Just noticed that you made the vid, nice job =). How is the comparison btwn the two in more demanding scenarios? Also the comment on the memory, on Win7 my machine idles using ~2.1 GB memory while ubuntu stays around 600MB, this would make a huge impact on a 2GB system. I'm not hating on WINE btw, i use it play SC2 all the time and I haven't booted win7 in months.
holychikenz 11 months ago
@holychikenz
Another reason Linux/wine/WoW runs 'faster' is this very thing. Windows memory management is horrible in comparison.
Linux was designed from the ground up to be a multi-tasking AND multi-user environment, thus memory and process management is much tighter, as is the network stack. Combine all of these, along with OpenGL's 'lighter' usage, and you can see that wine/WoW is faster.
cwwilson721 11 months ago
@holychikenz Windows loads memory to make your expierence better, I've actually tried Windows with 1GB and it uses about 300MB, with 3GB it uses around 700GB
XxPoints2shopsxX 10 months ago
@cwwilson721 watch?v=w9VSZRg2RHE&feature=related
this video disproves it. but it also depends on the game
wickedn1990 5 months ago
I'm not saying Win7 is 'the best evar' but its not the worst either. Once tweaked its pretty damn good, IMHO.
I upgraded from Win98SE to WinXP for $50 well over a decade ago.
I upgraded from WinXP to Win7 Pro for $30.
If you pay retail, you fail... ;)
Enjoy paying $180 per year + expansions for WoW.
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
@jcdenton2k Read the comments on this video.
It has the answers.
cwwilson721 11 months ago
The 'every tuesday' updates from M$ are optional. The 'Patch Tuesdays' for WoW are not. If you wanna talk about waiting for patches...and queues to get into the servers, plus paying $15/month for this 'privilege'...yeah. ;)
All I've ever used for security updates are the service packs and I haven't run into any issues. I use Avira (which is free) and I avoid questionable sites.
What viruses are 64-bit compatible? Please do tell :)
Applocker = awesome :)
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
@jcdenton2k svchost.exe is 64 bit compatible.I should know, I had to re-install windows cuz of it :(
N00bizme 10 months ago
Ok wilson.
Show us your task manager before your run.
In the ubuntu forums you said you were using the opengl renderer in both ubuntu and windows. This conflicts with you saying that opengl in linux beats directx in win7. So which is it? :P
There is a noticeable quality difference in other games between directx and opengl. Each has its benefits and drawbacks.
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
All this said, I'm eager to try this out, though it probably will be on a private server (temporarily of course) since I hate Blizzard's monthly-fee bullshit. I played retail WoW and I moved on. Both Rift Online and Aion Online offer much better unique experiences that WoW can't match. ;)
And yeah, Aion has its own issues but its the most balanced pvp-based game around. :)
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
I would rather personally enjoy an OS that:
-I know my hardware will work with it
-I know I can tweak it in nearly any possible way I want through a GUI-based interface without worrying about compiling/editing source code.
-I know I can do nearly anything in Win7 without ever touching a command console interface. We grew out of DOS decades ago, and XP finally dumped it for good. ;)
-Get a normal non-tech computer user using Ubuntu for 10 mins. Ask them what they liked and didn't like.
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
@jcdenton2k My kids have been using Linux since age 2.
And don't like Windows. "Too slow".."Too many crashes"..."Too many other things have to run"
From the mouths of babes
Just saying...
cwwilson721 11 months ago 2
@jcdenton2k I'm not an Ubuntu fan, but if you get a normal user on it, they'll love it. 10.10 and 11.04 are very centered around multimedia and being social and to top it all off it's integrated with no third party software needed. Normal people like being able to chat with friends and explore the web quickly without any fuss and not much else, which is about all Ubuntu is good for.
Personally I'll stick to W7x64 and Arch64 dual boot on my hand built PC =)
FarFromAvgJoe 10 months ago
What I enjoy the most about Windows is convenience. When I download any program I can just run it (and get a UAC prompt) and not worry about finding source code or a specific exact version for my specific distro.
Most people are not programmers and compiling code is outside the expertise of 98% of computer users. Even I don't touch it, its too much hassle for me.
Also Windows is FULLY GUI-based. Win7 'godmode' makes Linux console look like ancient tech. ;)
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
@jcdenton2k GO bash Linux somewhere the script kiddies will pay attention.
You have NO idea what Linux is. You just take Microsoft's word for everything.
Does my Linux box run Antivirus? No. There is no need. Malware scans? No need. Security updates every Tuesday? Nope. Do I wait 3-4 months (if an issue gets patched at all) for a security patch? Nope.
Cost? Linux=$0
Windows $129+ for OS, $60+ for good AV, $40+ for good malware/adware, and I can't change what needs to be changed.
LINUX FTW
cwwilson721 11 months ago 2
Here, have a hug.
4543563 11 months ago
Yes, OpenGL has advantages over DirectX (its not even called Direct3D anymore?). It also has disadvantages because there's a noticeable quality drop in most games that support both renderers.
Also, WoW is NOT optimized for OpenGL, that's an 'alpha renderer' as quoted by the patch notes that introduced OpenGL, I believe it was 3.2.0 or something, after Lich King.
You have inspired me to run my own tests though, to finally shut my bro's mouth about Linux. I like to tweak :)
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
If you want to be taken seriously, you may want to do a bit of windows 7 'tweaking' to get rid of the major system hogs that it has. Win7 is NOT optimized out of the box (which is what I'm assuming you're using). Things like Indexing and System Restore Services love to suck up resources. We also don't see if you're running any antivirus or other tasks via task manager, so you could be screwing up the results on purpose to prove your point.
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
Hiya :)
I'm very impressed by the results. Even with the 'emulation' that Wine tends to do, its still very nice to have such impressive results!
Generally, Windows games use DirectX because its a part of the operating system and takes full advantage of the hardware. Linux games tend to use OpenGL due to the overhead associated with emulation of DirectX games.
I appreciate the thought and effort here but your results are flawed.
jcdenton2k 11 months ago
@jcdenton2k Erm...NO. Linux uses opengl because it is OPEN SOURCE. D3D is CLOSED SOURCE. MS won't let anyone look at the source code.
MY Win7 IS 'optimized'. It is 'tweaked to a inch of it's life'. No AV, Indexing, nor any extraneous System Services. (I've been running Windows since Windows 2. I do know what I'm doing). Win7 even has all the "network latency tweaks" (Needed because Microsoft TCP/IP stack is so POORLY written/coded. Google it if you don't believe me)...
cwwilson721 11 months ago
@jcdenton2k
And I stand by my results. Head-to-head, same settings, all else being equal: wine/opengl beats Win7/D3D in pure FPS in World of Warcraft.
cwwilson721 11 months ago
Could you please please please tell me how you get your action bar like that that has your Exp Bar on it?
Typhoon800 11 months ago
@Wolfdaleify That's why every piece of hardware in the world uses directx and just microfuck's xbox and windoze use opengl! Or is it the other way around?
bsgrep 11 months ago
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FRAPS always takes some frames; I tried it one time playing Minecraft and it easily halved my FPS. I have a 4890 and a Phenom II with 4 gigs of RAM. Just saying.
algorithmae 1 year ago
FRAPS always takes some frames; I tried it one time playing Minecraft and it easily halved my FPS. I have a 4890 and a Phenom II with 4 gigs of RAM. Just saying.
algorithmae 1 year ago
@Wolfdaleify Where's your proof?
This video PROVES OpenGL > D3D.
So where is YOUR proof?
Or do you make a habit out of making things up?
cwwilson721 1 year ago
Acutely, this test doesn't say anything....when you fraps in windows your FPS gets locked at 30, you can change this in fraps settings. But you have not done that in this video. : /
cozimoz 1 year ago
@cozimoz Also, if you want lower latency in windows you can use Leatrix ms fix, works greate and you should have about the same ms as if you where on a linuxmachine.
Don't get me wrong with these posts, I like linux more than windows. I just needed to point this out.
cozimoz 1 year ago
@cozimoz I have used the 'latency fix', and the lag is still way higher than Linux.
Ex: Win w/fix: 125, Linux 75. THAT ain't "close"
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 I'm using ubuntu 10:10. Wine 1.3
my game is at a maximum of 25 fps, very low.
ge force 8400gs d420 intel 1.5 gb ram.
has some configuration to improve game performance?
rogeriopazduarte 1 year ago
@rogeriopazduarte
With my 8400GS, with the same settings as my 9600GSO, my FPS is about the same as yours. The main issue is the vidcard has very slow memory/clock/core, not many cores, and VERY narrow memory bandwidth. What you have FPS wise, is about all you can do. a 8400GS is NOT good for gaming. A general rule of thumb is 128bit MIN, and at least 32 cores to really even start to play all content (10-25 man, BGs, etc)
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 with this configuration: AMD PHENOM X6 1055T 2.8 GH, MOTHER ASUS M4N68T-M LE , 4BG RAM DDR3 1333hz ,GEFORCE 9500GT 128 B run well cataclysm. ubuntu wine in 10.10, with 90 fps?
rogeriopazduarte 1 year ago
@rogeriopazduarte Is there a question in there?
cwwilson721 1 year ago
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rogeriopazduarte 1 year ago
@cozimoz "Acutely", I have NO idea what YOU use . My FRAPS does not 'lock' at 30. Get a better OS than 95, upgrade your hardware past a Trinity AGPx1 card, hardware, and CONFIGURE.
My FRAPS goes above 30 all the time. I was just showing in THIS area, doing the SAME thing, as close to possible at the SAME time, with the SAME in game settings, that WoW/Wine has a higher FPS than Win7/D3D does. In some places, EVEN WITH FRAPS RUNNING, my FPS in Win7/D3D is above 80-90.
Don't spout nonsense
cwwilson721 1 year ago
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rogeriopazduarte 1 year ago
Im a Linux user, have been for a lot of years. But i would be interested to see this same test done in a place where there is actually something going on, i saw one Player in IF, this is either a new server or a private server. Ive never been able to get WOW to run worth a shit in wine, i so wish it would, but i go into a 25 man raid using wine and i get like 5 fps , where as on my win 7 i get 50+ fps. Running Nvidia9600m
Brianchse 1 year ago
@Brianchse
1-Since a 9600M is NOT really a gaming chip, it would also depend on the rest of your hardware.
2-Turn down all your settings, then turn up SLOWLY one at a time until you get a good balance between FPS and Eye-candy.
3-Add RAM
All three of the above will help you out. And it is NOT a new server, or a private server. And I picked a time/area where nothing was going on, so I would get SETS of REAL results, not dependent on others actions, battles, etc.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
It is a pure comparison of FPS between WoW/Wine/OpenGL and WoW/Win7/D3D. I wanted NO other variables.@cwwilson721
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 dual core 2 duo @ 2.26ghz 4gigs of ram, i dont think its my gfx card as i get 50+fps on my windows partition. My specs are well above the recommended.
I disagree about the REAL results part of the test, your not really playing the game in your test, your just running around, fight some mobs , make something happen. Real results require REAL game play. no one just runs around in a deserted area doing nothing.
Brianchse 1 year ago
howd you get addons to work on linux :( im so frustrated
skater4life0977 1 year ago
@skater4life0977
The exact same way as in Windows.
The only issue is that if you DONT run wine in XP mode, your Addon folder might be in Public.
So there's 2 reasons to run in XP mode: Sound, and addons
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 i just used curse in windows but that doesnt work with wine?
skater4life0977 1 year ago
@skater4life0977 It can work, but it's a pain. Wowmatrix has a Linux client that seems to work very well
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 ohcool wowmatrix works perfectly ty ;DD, one last thing do you know why wow crashes every 2 or 2 and a half hours on WINE? it says it doesnt have enough memory and it wont start again until i restart my computer however if it is referring to hard drive space or RAM space i have pletny of both :/
skater4life0977 1 year ago
@skater4life0977 It's referring to your RAM memory. Check your processes and ram's usage to see what's going wrong. It's the first time I'm hearing about that..
Arteymis 1 year ago
@skater4life0977 Errors like that are next to impossible to figure out in a place like this.
Think about it: You're running a UNIX-ish OS at either 32 or 64 bit, then add in wine itself, add in windows dlls, video drivers/modules, whatever other processes you have going on, the kernel, and WoW itself. Then do wines job, and eventually, things go 'poof'.
I'm actually amazed it works at all.
You would be best off trying the winehq forum.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
I love Linux :D
testingte 1 year ago
If you have time would love to see
Linux:
opengl
d3d9
Windows
opengl
d3d9
d3d11
Also from my experiance Wow in linux doesnt stutter just fraps is better for recording games than rmd
IksfNordrassil 1 year ago
@IksfNordrassil I don't do D3D in Linux. I'm not going to try to install it correctly in my wine/WoW folder, just in case. It screws up, my WoW doesn't work.
And my card is a D3D9 one, so 11 is not gonna happen.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
The graphics are on the lowest when i play wow through wine on ubuntu 10.10 32bit. Does anyone know how i can get higher settings???
SonOfTheSystem 1 year ago
@SonOfTheSystem It is due to Blizzard only allowing those settings when opengl is used.
It's up to Blizzard
cwwilson721 1 year ago
Well, when I used this motherboards built-in (a 6150 like yours), my FPS was 1-2 in Dal, and 10-ish everywhere else.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
I HONESTLY need an answer for this question, i've been asking people forever and havent gotten answers, For wow, cataclysm and stuff.... like in orgrimmar how much fps would i have with a computer with these specs:
AMD Athlon II 250 Dual-Core
3.00GHz
4 GB RAM
640 GB hard drive capacity
7200 RPM
NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE graphics card
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please answer this question. shouldnt be too hard for people who know about computers alot, and i obviously dont
JcRealz1 1 year ago
@JcRealz1 Not a lot. That 6150SE is slow as fuck. And I am not exaggerating.
roflschofel 1 year ago
@JcRealz1 well dude.. yeah, it is hard to answer because your specs are only 1/4 of the information that us "people who know about computers" would need to even give you a shady inaccurate ball park guesstimate. Also relevant info would be do you have the most recent video drivers? is your OS (im assuming windows) up to date? and what in game video settings do you plan on using(ranging from poor to ultra)?
best answer: install the trial and find out :)
badsaturday 1 year ago
What distribution of Linux where you using? Also was there a particular reason why you didn't include sound?
Kingneo0053 1 year ago
@Kingneo0053 In the "Info" section, it tells what distro I was using (Ubuntu 10.10 64bit). As for sound, I just plain forgot...lol
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 ....now I just feel stupid for not clicking the info button XD Thanks for the reply and the video. It seems I can finally switch to Linux XD
Kingneo0053 1 year ago
@Kingneo0053 I've been using wine/Ubuntu since Cata came out (Actually, been doing it for years)...Can't get it to even WORK in Windows 7 now...Gives me something to do for the holidays, tho...lol
cwwilson721 1 year ago
weird, wow runs in an emulator and it is faster than when running on a Windows computer.
Fortunately for me, I have ubuntu 10.10 (linux) and it works great.
ssdwfromnl 1 year ago
@ssdwfromnl wine is NOT an 'emulator'. An emulator provides a complete enviornment for a program to run, thinking it is in the 'emulated' machine. Hardaware is all fake, all software. Thus, if a program needs the videocard, it is actually running in a 'fake' videocard, then sent to the real videocard. The name, 'wine', stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator". All wine does is provide some Widows "hooks" so Windows apps can run in Linux, on the actual hardware.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
I am surprised by the result!
TweFoji 1 year ago
What did you use to record your desktop in Linux with? I have tried record my desktop but the video flickers in the recording. Nice video btw.
catseye2500 1 year ago
@catseye2500 gtkrecordmydesktop
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@catseye2500
Kazam Screencaster is a very good one.
h1ll37 1 year ago
@stopthrm microsoft doesn't write the drivers for high end video cards - and you're completely wrong, GLSL is suported on windows - look it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me: "Cross-platform compatibility on multiple operating systems, including GNU/Linux, Mac OS and Windows." - also, do you even know what you're saying when you say "Native" ?
jedir0x 1 year ago
Thanks! Now i know that i can play WOW in linux with playable FPS. =) But i still want a native opengl port or something like that. I think it is not so hard to do.
AlexFenix22 1 year ago
This comparison has one major flaw: It's testing Direct3D vs. OpenGL. The windows client should be run in OpenGL as well. That said, I've had no problems with any of the Blizzard games in Linux - things run great in Wine.
jedir0x 1 year ago
@jedir0x LOL Microsoft dropped support for Native Open GL shaders a WHILE ago and direct 3D simulates it now...
stopthrm 1 year ago
im not sure how accurate this is for higher end systems, i'm going to have to try this my self but if i remember right i actually had lower fps using wine than native windows 7 (course i strip windows down to about 6 running processes haha), which distro of linux are you using, just ubuntu 10.10 or something like linux mint?
Warhawke08 1 year ago
@Warhawke08 10.10. However, I've just doubled my memory (to 4GB DDR2 666), and with the new changes to WoW (patches), I can't do back-to-back runs for now. Windows and Linux FPS have increased quite a bit. I'll post new results after things have settled down.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
Although FPS is higher according to the onscreen information, Linux looks a bit more rough to me. If you look at the objects scrolling past the screen edges as an example, they dont look as smooth, just seems abit jerkier overall. Not bad enough to make the game unplaying but windows looks smoother to me.
smexymage 1 year ago
@smexymage unlike fraps (the software he used in windows) the recording tool he used in Linux was/is not ment for recording games, therefore the stuttering is caused by the recording software and is not a game issue
MrKimm 1 year ago
@MrKimm Ya gotta use what you gotta use. At least it worked. The stuttering (some, at least) was partially caused by my cat jumping up in my lap, and scaring me to death, thus stopping the run twice...The rest of the stutter was barely noticable, tho.
But at least using gtkmydesktop WORKED in a wine window (which it used to not), and didn't kill the FPS much. FPS drop with FRAPS and gtkmydesktop was about the same, so I still stand by my findings
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 dont get me wrong, I didn't mean to accuse you of picking the wrong software, I was just explaining why the video stuttered more even though the game FPS was higher ^^
MrKimm 1 year ago
@MrKimm Not what I meant. As I said "You gotta use what you gotta use"....lol
But you DID bring up a valid point: wine DOES stutter more... But usually, you don't notice. It could be for several reasons:
Linux/wine/drivers dropping more "useless" frames
Inefficiencies of the D3D to opengl conversion code
Those stupid gremlins taking millisecond naps
I, personally, don't mind a VERY SMALL stutter or 2, and less eye-candy, to have a 30-40 FPS boost. FOR FREE.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
how you record linux ?
Killerman2464 1 year ago
@Killerman2464 If you read what I wrote in Information, you would know I used gtk-recordmydesktop
cwwilson721 1 year ago
I've seen posts by "Experts" on forums saying that since "...Linux has to use an emulator (wine), that there is more overhead and runs slower. There is NO way WoW runs faster in Linux than on Windows."
I just wanted proof, one way or another
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 tell me pls what details u used to run wow, was it on low, medium, high..., i tryed some time ago to run wow in linux Ubuntu 10.04 and never get over 40 fps in places where in windows 7 i had allmost 117 fps. and where i get 40 fps in windows i get 7 fps in linux.
I really really wanna use linux coz i just love it.
I hardly w8 for your answer. thx
iulimotor 1 year ago
@iulimotor I guess "Custom".
Basically, almost everything as low as it can go, or off.
NO AA
No Triple Buffer
No Sync.
Here's my config.wtf (posted on another forum:
I use an Nvidia card, too. Reason for that is the issues ATi seems to have with the current kernels and Xorg. And forget getting an Intel vidchip to work.
Any other questions, let me know.
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721
No links allowed? Sheesh!
Try this:
@cwwilson721 Sorry...Couldn't post the full link...
Try this :
ubuntu forums DOT org /showpost DOT php ? p = 10074729 & postcount = 15
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 (Remove spaces from above URL
cwwilson721 1 year ago
@cwwilson721 i dont wanna play on low or off detailes since i play on windows full maxed out and have arround 50 fpl all the time, i`m curious if i can play lets say medium settings on linux and have at least 30 fps, u think its possible, can you test it ? i don`t have Ubuntu installed atm on my pc, and let me know, thank you.
iulimotor 1 year ago
@iulimotor Actually, no, I can't 'test' that. Your hardware is NOT the same as mine.
This isn't a "HOW-TO", it's a comparison of Linux/wine VS Windows 7 running WoW
If you want to get your install working, or tweak your settings, go to the forums for Ubuntu, or whatever distro you want to use. You can get help there (if you install a distro first.)
cwwilson721 1 year ago
Linux takes less resources. And open gl runs faster than Direct X. I have more on Ubuntu
Chintendoeddman 1 year ago
I do have another version of this video with voice commentary. I would have uploaded it instead, but I clicked the wrong file...lol
Maybe I'll upload that later this week....
cwwilson721 1 year ago