Buildings like this creative tourism.. which in turn generates revenue so It does bring money to the country in some shape of form .. and it looks wicked innit!
I think it's taken out of context a bit because towards the end he started hinting at what the correlation was, in that the towers create more and more burdening costs to the economies than any kind of benefit. He mentioned land fills, which in of themselves have to be maintained and financed. So there is much more economic correlation there. I think in many ways a tower that just has form and no function is a product of good times and excess money, which usually is the crest of economic wave
He almost seems disgruntled as he talks about how skyscrapers are utterly useless. Has he considered that it may be a solution for limited land such as Tokyo or Manhattan Island? If we limited all buildings to 5 stories, cities would be way too spread out that it would make commuting inefficient.
Correlation is not causation. To say every time the biggest tower in the world is announced its a precursor to recession is interesting if true. However the path to causation can't be drawn with out evidence. To be honest I find this bold assertion a bit ludicrous.
Perhaps tall buildings are a sign of high investment, which is what happens during a boom. Busts then recessions usually follow booms. Its also important to point out that the type of boom that would mean taller buildings,is a boom in real estate which needs to be driven by loose credit and maybe this is why recessions follow. The banks lose money do to the real estate bust , and everyone suffers as a result. Have to do more research though.
I did not hear the author state that the buildings were in any way causal of the recessions, only that they were harbingers of them. I only heard him say that the towers were symbols and examples of overextension of credit.
It's not the architecture of "pure form"; it's the architecture of pure ego, or ego-tecture. It's interesting and slightly strange that he feminises these skyscrapers by calling them "prostitutes". Surely it's obvious they are merely giant phallic symbols created by an egotistical male-dominated profession for male clients seeking a status symbol to compensate for some inferiority complex.
@1RadicalOne: Of course, but the problem is that if you don't need to build a 1000 feet building you won't benfit from it. The reason why places like New York, Tokyo and other major cities build skyscrapers is because they have to maximize land use, which means building as high as they can vertically. Problem is that in place like Dubai they are just building tall for the sake of building tall.
Is it not best to plan for the future in which the location of the tower WILL be in a large city? It is cheaper and easier to build the tower from the start, not build small initially and keep demolishing the original structures.
Oh yes, that would make sense. However the demand growth you'd have to see in order to make such a move would be insane. Places like again, Tokyo and New York have been major cities for a long time, Dubai, while it's a large city is nowhere near that kind of demand or projected growth.
I do believe there are a great many places in which the demand would be sufficient. Dubai may or may not be one of them - this is not my field at all - but with a population of nearly seven billion and climbing, humans will need all of the space they can get.
Modern architecture represents progression for me. Some people let their paranoid emotions get the better of them and end up looking the fool. Like this guys mock up of the future Dubai and his baseless view that these buildings will become useless. I bet he couldn't name me one abandoned sky scraper that is now rendered useless.
thebigmoney (dot) com had a great article a while back about Thailand's "ghost towers." Search for that phrase on their website for links to some amazing photos of office buildings abandoned in the wake of the financial collapse.
There's also North Korea's infamous Ryugyong Hotel, but that country's such a freakshow anyway it might be considered an exceptional example.
Yes, but this can hardly be an argument against modern architecture. The financial collapse caused this ghost effect among buildings still being constructed as banks stopped financing developers.
His claim that 'after 25 years most of these towers are unusable' assumes they have already been built and finished. What is his basis for thinking that tall buildings become useless after 25 years?
A symbol can have a great effect on the economy of the area around it. He is not accounting for indirect influences that a building like the burj dubai will have on the surrounding region.
I love architecture and had planned to study that in university. However, I've always been disappointed in modern architecture. There is very little consideration given to function and usability. The main emphasis seems to be on uniqueness and grandiose testaments to the architects' egos.
It sounds plausible. We get rich enough to build a tall building, it takes some time to have the money, realize you have the money, decide to spend it this way and build. I can see the business cycle shifting by the time all that happens.
A guy that was "explaining the enemy" of halo 4, brought me here.
Jigsaw643 2 days ago
Buildings like this creative tourism.. which in turn generates revenue so It does bring money to the country in some shape of form .. and it looks wicked innit!
KevinJMacleanMusic 1 month ago
these people are so rich they could burn ALL theyre money and have enough left over to buy the planet's core!
777teg 7 months ago
I think it's taken out of context a bit because towards the end he started hinting at what the correlation was, in that the towers create more and more burdening costs to the economies than any kind of benefit. He mentioned land fills, which in of themselves have to be maintained and financed. So there is much more economic correlation there. I think in many ways a tower that just has form and no function is a product of good times and excess money, which usually is the crest of economic wave
Ayzahar 8 months ago
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Function follows Form. Simple. Not Form follows Function...
thejumpingarmadillo 9 months ago
Function follows Form. Simple. Not Form follows Function...
thejumpingarmadillo 9 months ago
Wow lot sof progress cuz of technology
WetPooooopie 1 year ago
he an idiot. skyscrapers are their go give more space without taking land. plus skyscrapers are getting safer to life.
do we need to be stuck at the dark ages
stealthinator00 1 year ago 3
@stealthinator00 English motherf%cker, do you speak it??? lololololooololooloo
10100003 9 months ago
He almost seems disgruntled as he talks about how skyscrapers are utterly useless. Has he considered that it may be a solution for limited land such as Tokyo or Manhattan Island? If we limited all buildings to 5 stories, cities would be way too spread out that it would make commuting inefficient.
rlee8807 2 years ago 2
You just described London, luckily its now going through a high rise boom..
robostairs 2 years ago
The tower of Babel.
fartpopartist 2 years ago
lol ^^
mastela88 2 years ago
Correlation is not causation. To say every time the biggest tower in the world is announced its a precursor to recession is interesting if true. However the path to causation can't be drawn with out evidence. To be honest I find this bold assertion a bit ludicrous.
AtheistKharm 2 years ago 13
Perhaps tall buildings are a sign of high investment, which is what happens during a boom. Busts then recessions usually follow booms. Its also important to point out that the type of boom that would mean taller buildings,is a boom in real estate which needs to be driven by loose credit and maybe this is why recessions follow. The banks lose money do to the real estate bust , and everyone suffers as a result. Have to do more research though.
suleydaman 2 years ago
I did not hear the author state that the buildings were in any way causal of the recessions, only that they were harbingers of them. I only heard him say that the towers were symbols and examples of overextension of credit.
laraesque 2 years ago
You're right, I jumped the gun. Thanks for pointing that out.
AtheistKharm 2 years ago
Nonetheles, some folks may not know the difference between correlation and causation. Education is good.
laraesque 2 years ago
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It's not the architecture of "pure form"; it's the architecture of pure ego, or ego-tecture. It's interesting and slightly strange that he feminises these skyscrapers by calling them "prostitutes". Surely it's obvious they are merely giant phallic symbols created by an egotistical male-dominated profession for male clients seeking a status symbol to compensate for some inferiority complex.
oclandestin 2 years ago
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oclandestin 2 years ago
Beautiful.
dukehey2 2 years ago
They have more money than they know what to do with.
blackiron60 2 years ago 7
Off topic, but he said Zahi Hadad instead of Zaha Hadid! Or is it just the accent? :/
qwe07 2 years ago 3
He did mispronounce it... :S
tictocmm 2 years ago
Dubai is a symbol of oil wealth that the US built for its buddies and robbed from its people.
The towers are a symbol of corruption and enslavement of the common man.
I hope they have an earthquake like in Haiti and it kills the royal family and destroys ever last building.FUCK EM ALL
zoticus1 2 years ago
World's tallest ghost tower lol.
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
Dubai treats its immigrant labor like slaves.
Its women like objects.
And the royal family has been caught on videotape beating people to death.
It is the worst corruption of an economic system set up to launder money between the United States & Iran, Dubai's biggest trading partners.
Fuck Dubai!
Fuck Dubai!
rubberbaby00 2 years ago
Agreed, dubai is a bubble, lizard eaters are getting above themselves.
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
Sorry I don't mean causing, preceding.
VolcanicPenguin 2 years ago
what a negative guy
vincentcle 2 years ago
Hah, that part about the world's tallest building always causing a recession was quite interesting!
VolcanicPenguin 2 years ago
Mr. Nield is just jealous that he did not get to design the world's tallest building.
Look, as long as these tall buildings are privately funded, their owners have a RIGHT to waste their own money.
These buildings do not cause recessions.
I'll bet Mr. Nield would love to use the brute force of the law to get his own particular architectural tastes enacted.
He should re-read "The Fountainhead."
He's either Elsworth Tuhey or Peter Keating.
freesk8 2 years ago
Skyscrapers are the best way to build, as they save huge amounts of land, and potentially resources and money for both builders and consumers.
In addition to that, they are an attractive and iconic symbol of an advanced civilization.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago 2
@1RadicalOne
Advance by building, science, math standards. I would argue that we are not anymore advance in the humanities, ethics, law, liberty, love etc.
bubbaburke 2 years ago
As compared to...?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
@1RadicalOne: Of course, but the problem is that if you don't need to build a 1000 feet building you won't benfit from it. The reason why places like New York, Tokyo and other major cities build skyscrapers is because they have to maximize land use, which means building as high as they can vertically. Problem is that in place like Dubai they are just building tall for the sake of building tall.
Slug99 2 years ago 2
Is it not best to plan for the future in which the location of the tower WILL be in a large city? It is cheaper and easier to build the tower from the start, not build small initially and keep demolishing the original structures.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Oh yes, that would make sense. However the demand growth you'd have to see in order to make such a move would be insane. Places like again, Tokyo and New York have been major cities for a long time, Dubai, while it's a large city is nowhere near that kind of demand or projected growth.
Slug99 2 years ago
I do believe there are a great many places in which the demand would be sufficient. Dubai may or may not be one of them - this is not my field at all - but with a population of nearly seven billion and climbing, humans will need all of the space they can get.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Modern architecture represents progression for me. Some people let their paranoid emotions get the better of them and end up looking the fool. Like this guys mock up of the future Dubai and his baseless view that these buildings will become useless. I bet he couldn't name me one abandoned sky scraper that is now rendered useless.
Ricky103 2 years ago
thebigmoney (dot) com had a great article a while back about Thailand's "ghost towers." Search for that phrase on their website for links to some amazing photos of office buildings abandoned in the wake of the financial collapse.
There's also North Korea's infamous Ryugyong Hotel, but that country's such a freakshow anyway it might be considered an exceptional example.
suzhouhe 2 years ago
Yes, but this can hardly be an argument against modern architecture. The financial collapse caused this ghost effect among buildings still being constructed as banks stopped financing developers.
His claim that 'after 25 years most of these towers are unusable' assumes they have already been built and finished. What is his basis for thinking that tall buildings become useless after 25 years?
Ricky103 2 years ago
The best indicators of economic trends are the ones that no one speaks of to the public. No?
pt2091 2 years ago
burj halifa
skylamerGFOL 2 years ago
A symbol can have a great effect on the economy of the area around it. He is not accounting for indirect influences that a building like the burj dubai will have on the surrounding region.
Theprinceofponeage 2 years ago 2
I love architecture and had planned to study that in university. However, I've always been disappointed in modern architecture. There is very little consideration given to function and usability. The main emphasis seems to be on uniqueness and grandiose testaments to the architects' egos.
On1yCheryl 2 years ago 3
"grandiose testaments to the architects' egos"
so what isn't?
Yamakashi1 2 years ago
Hmmm has there really been a recession after every tall building?
semiflex 2 years ago 2
It sounds plausible. We get rich enough to build a tall building, it takes some time to have the money, realize you have the money, decide to spend it this way and build. I can see the business cycle shifting by the time all that happens.
eirefrance 2 years ago 2