Smoking Gun of Shooting Tibetan in Tibet ??

[tenzinbee]

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE OVER THIS, WHETHER THAT TIBETAN STOOD UP OR NOT? SERIOUSLY? FIRST AND FOREMOST WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ESCAPING THEY HAD ALL THE FREEDOM THAT THEY WANT? AND WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SHOOT THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE ON THE FIRST PLACE ? THAT RIDICULOUS!

[rossmorebaz]

how stupid are you,, those people who are filmed walking away are the chinese soldiers who were filmed doing the shooting..not the Tibetans.. open your eyes... there were many western climbers who were there and saw this

[Aerensiniac]

Also:

"openyour2eyes" is just the sort of nick a paid asshole would choose to spread his nonsense.

[Aerensiniac]

I question the idea of calling someone a liar who pushed the view on the relations of china and tibetians.

China razed next to 6000 monasteries and killed hundred thousands of tibetians.

Even to this day the Dalai Lama is considered a terrorist and is not accepted by any politicians in larger nations.

Attacks on tibet and tibetians continue even today. Creating the impression that all of this is a lie because of just one video makes you look like one of those popular "deny holocaust" retards.

[eastern2western]

personally, I think the best way to end tibet's government in exile is buy the tibetans a one-way-ticket to india. once they are india, those people will no longer be chinese responsiblities and dalai lama has to figure out a way to feed them and give them a place to live.heck, I even think china should even build special railroads that connects to india for them to go. I want to how many free-loading monks dalai lama's government can feed tilll it runs to bankrupcy.

[vjFFWD]

you are stupid openyour whatever ... watch it all you stupid sh.it !

[Tibet4eva]

sinopatriot and openyour2eyes you guys are so dumb and stupid. if u watch the full documentary y will see that they are not walking. it is as it can get so get ur facts stright before u post it. have some soul in ur heart

[SinoPatriot]

"stay down, i haven't done filming yet. damn it!, now i have to cut the part when you stood up, and then edit the video in my computer. i wonder where i can find gunfire sounds?"

-Cameraman-

[poidsfi]

hahahaha, that's hilarious,

t-beg's fake shit exposed

[TheMightyGuri]

how comes that this video doesnt show the NUN in the end of the line who died??? O.o because chinese need to lie? where is the nun?

watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo

watch?v=vTeqZ07SPHI&feature=re­lated

[IriathZhul]

It's hard to take this seriously because it never shows any continuous footage, so there's no way to know what's real or not.

[TheMightyGuri]

watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo

watch?v=vTeqZ07SPHI&feature=re­lated

[YAPONLUQ]

自：人民网English (自：中国人所盲信的人民网)

The official said a small squad of Chinese frontier soldiers found the stowaways and tried to persuade them to go back to their home. But the stowaways refused and attacked the soldiers.

Under the circumstances, "the frontier soldiers were forced to defend themselves and injured two stowaways," said the source.

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persuade them to go back???

refused and attacked the soldiers????

were forced to defend themselves??????

[sergiumatei77]

That tibetan nun ....... 17 years old .... was she a Lie? The border police guy that fired his gun was he a lie? Is it Death a lie to U ???? soo Suck it in and live with it

Sergiu Matei

[sergiumatei77]

M8 its the man who filmed it writing back 2 u!!!!

The chinese propaganda don't work on me , knowing the fact that i lived and shared the commie' sht that u still breath in!

Sooo call liar all those that took a bullet in the name off FREEDOM , or those that give that bullet and see if they'll agree with you!

[cedrik2003]

生活在中国的中国人们：

中共在说谎，它们在中国犯下了滔天的罪恶！它们谋杀，屠杀，酷刑­虐待无辜的中国人。 你们醒醒吧， 它们在向你们说谎！中共害怕你们知道它们的本质！ 你们可以推翻邪恶中共！ 它们无力制止你们推翻暴政！

[JiXiaoWen]

是吗？ 你脑子进水了？ 中共以前很邪恶我知道，我是觉得现在中共好的很。到时你这种人渣­怎么还活在这个世界上？ 我不是中共都想诛你九族

[TheMightyGuri]

watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo

watch?v=vTeqZ07SPHI&feature=re­lated

[EOJKCENDER]

it's shame to make faked vid to attack Chinese people

[cedrik2003]

lol

[jan1035]

To be more specific, Look at my avatar. I'm trying to be honest to all people. Including chinese. I know the dutch also did make mistakes. And I'm not trying to hide them or play the angel. I face these mistakes and trry to deal with them. I hope you'll do the same.

[shaya001]

But we didn't do wrong in this video...Our police duty is stop criminal...if a group people look suspicious,they have right to let them stop, and check their ID....If they don't cooperate, police have the right to stop them forcibly...That is police's duty....

[jan1035]

people are innocent until proven the opposite. By that means they are innocent. And the tasks of the police (ergo the police in the netherlands) is: to protect and serve). In both ways the police is wrong in this vid

[shaya001]

if those people are innocent, why don't they illegally crossing the border?why don't they cooperate with police....Don't run away from the fucking police,they have guns...I really think those people were kind of stupid...

[jan1035]

It's because tey'll never get a visum. And even stupid people never should be shot.

[shaya001]

that was a warning shot....Don't disobey the law...if they are innocent travelers, nobody will stop them, be sure cooperate with police, and let them check your ID

[jan1035]

It was a warning shot that killed. I'm glad we don't have this kind of police here. But we'd better stop this discussion because it does't lead us anywhere

[shaya001]

that means your country police do not take responsibility, let suspect go...I ' 100% sure if someone look suspicion and your police surely will take care it.

[tokun]

oh what an idiot. It's all because Tibetans are not allowed to leave Tibet.

I am tibetan and I know what I'm saying.

Every day elderly tibetans try to pass Himalaya to receive the blessing from HH the DL before the death

[shaya001]

get a passport you idot, and take a car or airplane,,,stop illegal crossing the border, it is not alllowed in any countries.....I want to go to america,but i don't have a passport, they usa officer surely will return me to my homecountry,,,,,if i refuse, and escape, they have the power and right to use some harmful weapon to stop me....stop saying uneducated words...learn some laws you idiot....

[tokun]

ahahah that's hilarious. do you really think that chinese government will give tibetans people a passport? ahahahah you must be a dreamer :O

your thoughts show what the chinese plagiarism can do to ignorant people.

you! are an idiot if you think that officers can shoot to weaponless and defenseless people.

it's 'cause of people like you that the world is infected by war and violence. :)

[shaya001]

tibetan of couse can get a passport....why not?tibetan got lots of advantages than us,,,you don't work as hard as us, but you earn more money than us...because of some stupid tibetan destory the reputation of all tibetan in China....you guys should stop terrorim

[JiXiaoWen]

tokun hope u are a buddhist.

but u r not. cause they dont lie.u bring tibet shame.

[tokun]

so I and millions of people around the world are all liar?? never thought that is your shitty chinese government lying to you? you fucking chinese live in a country where all is censored: the web, television programs, magazines and newspaper. everything is under the gov control.

do you really think that people like me are lying? we that live in free country without censorship? ahah open your eyes buddy, how pity. just visit another country and surf the web to see what you cannot in china. bye

[JiXiaoWen]

I felt tired to explain to you.

YOUR IDEOLOGY IS NOT FREE! which u cant even see the truth. Some western media report the truth. which they said they dont know what really happend in Tibet last year. some of them is just keep insulting China as well as usual.

since 2008, half of Chinese know that how west world looks like. You are not really Tibeten. which born in abroad. Can u let Tibet free? dont try to break the peace like last year. If u kill people, of course we will crack down it!

[TheMightyGuri]

and what are u doing? you dont bring shame to china by lying the killing of this nun??

watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo

watch?v=vTeqZ07SPHI&feature=re­lated

[jan1035]

When you look ast "my favorites"yo'"ll see that I also critizise European countries, and the USA. I''m not selective in my critics. But you can can't equal out one fault with another. You'll have to face all mistakes. Including this one. Being grown up means you will have to face critics. And that the dalai lama needs skin etc. for his birthday is complete nonsense

[shaya001]

Third,Tian'anmen square is tragedy in that time, when China was changing, and strongly start in rising.I never doubt my older brother and sister 's patriotism.However, i don't think their was right, or i don't totally agree their behaviours. it was kind of radicalness.And very puerile.

[shaya001]

To jan1035:I watched agian for sevral times.. First of all,I didn't see any old people or Childen..can you point out for me please?Second, if there does have children among them.Our police must let them to stop, and check their ID.We are not sure, they are trader in human beings or not.

[shaya001]

the police let you stop, you stop, don't run.....that will cause shooting,,,Chinese police gave him a warning shot, shoot on air....but in USA, the police you will him directly..Don't try to escape, if you really want to go abord, then need a passport, and take a airplane...

[jan1035]

Why are they shooting anyway?? can any of you chinese answere that question?

[shaya001]

In china, if someone try to escape, police will warning him first, if he doesn't stop, then warning shoot, shooting on air..if he doesn't stop either, depends on the situation, shoot him or not...

[jan1035]

They weren't escaping. Or maybe they did. People escape when they're emprisoned. In that way; yes, they were escaping. And don't always compare with america. When people do NOT commit a crime they shouldn't be shot at.. And tibetans willnever get a passport.

[shaya001]

that was illegal cross border, our border guards need to check his ID...We don't did he take drug,bombs, or is he a terrorist or not....When you drive on the road, there is a checkpoint, they check cars one by one.(In canada, they always check you drink or not)...However, you don't stop at the checkpont, they drive fast, then run,,,guess,will the police get you or just let you drive away????

[jan1035]

It's alwaya the same answere, these persons could have been stopped very easily. there were children and older people amongst them. But the chinese borderpatrol doesn't show any respect for humanlife. just like the tienanmen square. where the army used tanks and machineguns against unarmed protestors. So don't use this nonsense argument

[shaya001]

if China made the mistake you people speak loud,,,when the western world indeed invade other countries, where are you guys???please free the land which still occupying by the invaders...American? I admit that we invade Tibet,but that was hundreds years history. Now, it becomes the fact, which tibet belongs to China.

[shaya001]

USA is a democracy fighter in this world.they broke the dictator in Iraq,and help the Iraq to become demoracy..But there are more people died, and more people become poor.Human rights?no, iraq still under wars, people die everyday.

[shaya001]

Almost every EU country invaded and colonized other countries.The irony is now you becoming the angel, and blame those countries human rights which were invaded by you .....come on,guys, why you always the angels???

[shaya001]

nothing you can change, you hate invaders?Dutch invade Taiwan,but they were kicked out...In this world, who is angle, who is evil, sometimes you cannot distinguish.Dalai lama is a good person?May be youshould know that tibet was a slavry society under his rule.Moreover, in his birthday party, he would need human beings skin, head for religion purpose.

[facundosg]

Dear

shaya001 that is not true, hehe!!! not true, what are trying to get from china is freedom. I live in India with Tibetans and is not true what you say!

[shaya001]

Tibetan have enough freedom...they don't work as hard as us, but they got more than us...Our government treat the minority too well....

[facundosg]

I have live with Tibetans for more than 6 years I speak the language, and here you not show nothing smoking. I know what is true and that is, Tibet is not part of China.

[shaya001]

oh， really? if tibet is not part of China.what are protesting for?????Are you live in tibet with tibetan? or live other another country with tibetan?lots of tibetan exiled were slave owners...of course, they don't satisfy.

[jan1035]

You really believe this bullshit yourself?. Your so pathetic. you don't come with one argument, just repeating "it's not true". but they're caught red handed!! chinese soldiers are the worst war criminals ever!

[douboymk2]

gunshots sound like party poppers fake as hell

[jan1035]

that's the way gunshots sound! moron

[poidsfi]

t-begs made fake "Chinese shooting Tibetan" video, t-begs are plain sick bastards full of shameless lies.

[shaya001]

if you wanna go another country please legally go,,don't cross the border illegally...it is safe to take airplane and bus....It is just a warning shoot, if the police let you stop, you stop...you cannot counter with police,when I was in US, the american friend told me that, if the police kneel, you kneel, don't argue with the police....

[jan1035]

and when they shoot they shoot people coming in, not the people going out

[jan1035]

normal, civilized borderpatrols don't start with shooting at people

[tiger1chu]

Why where they getting shot at in the first place?

[sheytan2008]

Free Tibet Free Kurdistan

[yanweijiang]

It is impossible to get on target at 1km away with wind and regular gun and shoot standing, even the best sniper in the world, unless you use a gun as in The Fifth Element movie.

[nzgav]

If they were firing for 15 minutes those murderers were bound to hit someone sooner or later.

[nzgav]

Yo yan

maybe the murderous border guards were only shooting from 200m...

[YAPONLUQ]

自：人民网English (自：中国人所盲信的人民网)

The official said a small squad of Chinese frontier soldiers found the stowaways and tried to persuade them to go back to their home. But the stowaways refused and attacked the soldiers.

Under the circumstances, "the frontier soldiers were forced to defend themselves and injured two stowaways," said the source.

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persuade them to go back???

refused and attacked the soldiers????

were forced to defend themselves??????

[YAPONLUQ]

自：中国人所盲信的新华社报道

新华社拉萨10月12日电　西藏自治区有关负责人向记者透露，9月30日凌晨，中国边防巡逻­小组官兵在中国和尼泊尔边界中方一侧巡逻时 ，发现近70人欲非法  偷渡到境外，依法对其劝阻，希望他们尽快返回原籍。

但他们不仅不听劝阻，反而群袭边防官兵。在此情况下，边防官兵被­迫自卫，伤及2名偷渡人员，其中1人因事发 地海拔6200米，高 寒缺氧，自然环境极其恶劣，经抢救无效死亡 。另一伤者已得到妥善救治。

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依法对其劝阻??

群袭边防官兵??

边防官兵被迫自卫?????

[bluefish504]

YAPONLUQ,

Why keep posting home-made fake Chinese News?

[nzgav]

Yo blowfish

He does not have to make up fake Chinsese news. We rely on you for that.

[YAPONLUQ]

AS EVERYONE KNOWS, it is impossible to put clikcable hyperlink on Text Comments field. Therefore, I've already sent the URL hyperlink, which AntiDefm can paste it on his web-browser's address-bar, for his personlal message.

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@AntiDefm:

您越這樣外國人越看不起中國人. 文明點!!

[AntiDefm]

I can easily make a video to compare the so called "Tiebtan shooting" video with Iran Boat incident video. I also can easily make a video compare the Tibet riots with the Los Angeles riots in 1989.

Yes, there are tones of pro-Dalai people can't point out where is Tibet, but don't assume everyone is like them!

[AntiDefm]

Mexican people "are risking their lives to leave" their "glorious country", do you understand why? And 500 Mexican people died across the border in 2005 alone. How many people died for illegal acrossing border from Tibet to Nepal?

BTW, I am even not a Chinese!

American CIA and its front organizations are good at fake video, just like the Iran boat incident video that US governmnet has released earlier this year, and that video turned out to be a international JOKE!

[YAPONLUQ]

BTW, Where is that jerk AntiDefm?

Why dose not he accuse his own government if he hates liars?

[AntiDefm]

YAPONLUQ: I ask you for the link! Where is your link?! You can fake the news from China officials, but you can't bullshit us.

BTW, Don't assume anyone against you is Chinese. Do you know why I take the effort to dig into Dalai Lama And Tibet? Because some retarded idiot accused me that i work for China gvernment!

[YAPONLUQ]

参考：

西藏再度蝉联最年幼政治犯世界纪录？（转载）

曾几何时，西藏小男孩，以"世界最年幼政治犯"的称号"享誉"全­球，在印度、在欧洲、在美国，比他年长不多的各国学生手持他的照­片，要求中国政府还他自由。

更登确吉尼玛于1989年4月25日生于西藏嘉黎宗，1995年­5月17日，在达赖喇嘛宣布更登确吉尼玛为班禅喇嘛转世灵童后三­天，他被中国政府从家中带走，不见踪影。国际社会持续向中国政府­要求见到根敦确吉尼玛本人，联合国人权委员会、联合国人权事务高­级专员、联合国人权事务高级专员公署儿童权利委员会先后向中国政­府要求探视根敦确吉尼玛并与其单独接触，这些要求都被绑架他的中­国政府蛮横地予以拒绝。

11年过去了，更登确吉尼玛17岁了，还没有见他回到自己的家中­，但最具有讽刺意味的是，他的"世界最年幼政治犯"的称号应该是­保不住了。2006年9月30日，中国边防武警在囊帕拉开枪，冷­血地谋杀两名他的同胞后，又将侥幸躲过枪击的幸存者抓走。这里面­，有16岁、15岁、13岁、12岁的孩子，甚至还有小到7岁的­小孩。他们被武警拘捕，音信全无。

看来，事隔11年，全世界最年幼政治犯还在西藏，还是藏人。

[YAPONLUQ]

AntiDefm写道「YAPONLUQ faked the news release from China government news agency」

又写道「WHERE IS this YAPONLUO? We are still waiting for the link to the source he is quoting! Damned lair! 」

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People's Daily Online

Stowaway case thwarted in Tibet

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[YAPONLUQ]

星岛环球网

中国承认官兵射杀西藏难民称自卫反击

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（摘录）中国官方证实，9月底西藏自治区发生一起集体偷渡离境事­件，期间边防官兵遇袭后向众人开枪，造成一人死亡，一人受伤。声­援西藏的组织稍早指控，是边防部队为了防止藏人外逃而开枪。　新华社今天在报道中引述未具名的西藏有关负责人说，9月30日凌­晨，中国边防巡逻小组官兵在中国和尼泊尔边界中方一侧巡逻时，发­现近七十人欲非法偷渡到境外，依法对其劝阻，希望他们尽快返回原­籍。　新华社说，这些偷渡客不听劝阻，并群袭边防官兵。为此，边防官兵­被迫自卫，伤及两名偷渡人员，其中一人因事发地海拔六千二百公尺­，高寒缺氧，自然环境极其恶劣，经抢救无效死亡，另一伤者得到妥­善救治。

[YAPONLUQ]

(1/2)

People's Daily Online

Stowaway case thwarted in Tibet

Nearly 70 people attempted to illegally cross the border between China and Nepal in the Tibet Autonomous Region on the early morning of Sept. 30 and one died during a conflict with border control guards, said an official of the related department of the region Thursday.

The official said a small squad of Chinese frontier soldiers found the stowaways and tried to persuade them to go back to their home.

[YAPONLUQ]

(2/2)

But the stowaways refused and attacked the soldiers. Under the circumstances, "the frontier soldiers were forced to defend themselves and injured two stowaways," said the source.

One injured person died later in hospital due to oxygen shortage on the 6,200-meter high land, while another injured person received treatment in the local hospital.

Source: Xinhua

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@AntiDefm

Are you happy?

This is the FACT that people all over the world knows.

[AntiDefm]

What kind of shit is this???!

Have you ever tried this link you have here?!

GOD DAMNED YOU! DON'T LIE!

JUST GIVE US THE LINK!

[YAPONLUQ]

自：人民网English (自：中国人所盲信的人民网)

The official said a small squad of Chinese frontier soldiers found the stowaways and tried to persuade them to go back to their home. But the stowaways refused and attacked the soldiers.

Under the circumstances, "the frontier soldiers were forced to defend themselves and injured two stowaways," said the source.

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persuade them to go back???

refused and attacked the soldiers????

were forced to defend themselves??????

[YAPONLUQ]

自：中国人所盲信的新华社报道

新华社拉萨10月12日电　西藏自治区有关负责人向记者透露，9月30日凌晨，中国边防巡逻­小组官兵在中国和尼泊尔边界中方一侧巡逻时 ，发现近70人欲非法  偷渡到境外，依法对其劝阻，希望他们尽快返回原籍。

但他们不仅不听劝阻，反而群袭边防官兵。在此情况下，边防官兵被­迫自卫，伤及2名偷渡人员，其中1人因事发 地海拔6200米，高 寒缺氧，自然环境极其恶劣，经抢救无效死亡 。另一伤者已得到妥善救治。

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依法对其劝阻??

群袭边防官兵??

边防官兵被迫自卫?????

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象德国总理勃兰特70年代在华沙犹太人墓前下跪一样，有一天，中­国的元首也应当将达赖喇嘛请回布达拉宫，并向他及西藏人民下跪请­求原谅。

[YAPONLUQ]

中共向逃亡藏人开枪，不是第一次，当然也不会是最后一次。当年逃­避共产暴政，翻越柏林 墙投奔自由的东德人民，被东德军警开枪射杀，现在这些开枪杀人的­军警都已得到罪有应得的审判。相信，在不远的将来那些向逃亡藏人­开枪射击杀死藏人的军警，也会有一天，象东德的军警一样受到应有­的审判和惩罚。

死不认错的中共。

[kaliyuga2008]

My friend was shot and killed at the border two years ago- shame on the chinese government.

[AntiDefm]

I guess your friend must be like what happened in this video, stood up and walked away. LOL!

[YAPONLUQ]

Re:AntiDefm

中國人越這樣外國人越看不起中國人.

我把您寫的文章翻譯成各語言轉到各國BBS.

謝謝合作.

[AntiDefm]

YAPONLUQ: I can't trust any words coming from pro-Tibet guys unless I see the link first hand.

Give me the link, please!

[kaliyuga2008]

No - he was dead. Despite what you and CCTV say, the bullet went through his brain and his friends and family never saw him again. Why? Because your government doesn't give Tibetans any documents- they can't leave the country like you rich kids or kids of party members.

[AntiDefm]

kaliy: dead man can stand up and walk away, that's the Dalai's logic, LOLLL!

BTW, Where is that jerk YAPONLUO? I am still waiting for the link! Dalai said "Don't lie"! He/she should prove he/she didn't lie!

[kaliyuga2008]

Only assholes disrespect the dead. Shame on you.

[AntiDefm]

Dead won't stand up and walk away, LOLLL!

Onlt retarded idiots believev in such B.S. political propaganda!

Again, WHERE IS this YAPONLUO? We are still waiting for the link to the source he is quoting! Damned lair!

[kaliyuga2008]

Well try telling that to my friend who is dead and buried, I don' think he'd appreciate your argument.

Blindl loyalty is just a mask for stupidity.

[AntiDefm]

Sorry to hear about your friend. Illegal across international border has been always dangeous, and more than 500 people died across the US-Mexico border in 2005 alone.

Again, I am just talking about this particular video, and YAPONLUQ. This video proves the pro-Dalai's video is fake, and YAPONLUQ is lying because he refdused to provide his information link.

[kaliyuga2008]

I guess you don't even want to talk about why people are risking their lives to leave your glorious country, even though they know some border guard will shoot them- not for coming into a country illegally like in the US, but for fleeing their country. I'm sure you don't want to talk about that.

[AntiDefm]

Mexican people "are risking their lives to leave" their "glorious country", do you understand why? And 500 Mexican people died across the border in 2005 alone. How many people died for illegal acrossing border from Tibet to Nepal?

BTW, I am even not a Chinese!

American CIA and its front organizations are good at fake video, just like the Iran boat incident video that US governmnet has released earlier this year, and that video turned out to be a international JOKE!

[AntiDefm]

For God's sake! Can you point out anything in teh above video is not truth? How you defend these pro-Dalai videos?

And, also, why YAPONLUO faked the news release from China government news agency, and posted everywhere on YouTube?! Dalai Lama didn't teach you how to lie, why you people lie!

[AntiDefm]

I can easily make a video to compare the so called "Tiebtan shooting" video with Iran Boat incident video. I also can easily make a video compare the Tibet riots with the Los Angeles riots in 1989.

Yes, there are tones of pro-Dalai people can't point out where is Tibet, but don't assume everyone is like them!

[kaliyuga2008]

Yes- but who is killing them- the country they are trying to enter illegally- not their own county. Bit of a difference don't you think.

[TheMightyGuri]

watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo

watch?v=vTeqZ07SPHI&feature=re­lated

who walked away?

[SinoPatriot]

i know this video is meant for another audience, but it's not really different from the ones you can see in those 2 videos, or the ones mayyoubekind has.

you have to admit it's inconclusive. and there's supposed to be machine gun fire here according to the documentaries you provided, but it's obviously not seen or heard here. you can't see machine guns, you can't even see the actual soldier shooting anyone.

[TheMightyGuri]

compare the person from this video at 30 with the person from this video ----> watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo

at 5:13

it is exactly the same person and she DIDNT get up and walk again

[SinoPatriot]

yes!

i know that. but do you see someone shooting her? or him?

this footage here and the other one at 5: 13 is exactly the one i'm that i noticed was different immediately.

look at 5: 13 in the other video you sent me. did you notice that before the last person in the line fell down, the placed in another clip of a soldier?? which you can't see here because this is taken by the camera in one shot (filming).

[TheMightyGuri]

of course :) what else happend then to that person?

you wanna say its not clear that the soldiers EVEN shot?? ok look this:

on this video here, from 15 on, you hear gunshot and then the man fall down and you hear "they shooting them like dogs"

watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo here at 4:52 the man falls down and again "they shooting them like dogs"

[TheMightyGuri]

that indicates it IS the same video, just the crappy news video

and the part where the nun goes to the ground, its cutted while you can see here watch?v=fS3iw6oSGWo how she died and still lays there and borderguards around her later