@paki7713.. My friend I am studying Ahmadiiya jamaath (As my readings, I would like to say and share you that, this is great danger than Judaism) almost 18 years now. At the age of 15, I have started to read the books of this cults. Now I am 33 years old. I am from kerala, India. Shahid Kamal continue your work until to finish this cults from this universe. This is the duty of every single muslim to call the Ahamadiyans to revert to Islam.
LOL. what a loser u actually are. do u think u can actually cause any damage to our jamaat by leaving? we dont need people like u. there is nothing islamic about u that u have ''found the real islam'' in the sunni belief or whatever it is that u claim 2 follow nowadays. your body language and the way u speak shows how humble and how much u actually fear allah. may allah bring a curse on the liars, i heard u say your family is still ahmadi may allah bring lanaat on the liars and decievers
@paki7713 It is a strange situation. For a year I have tried to study Ahmadiyya. I am still confused about the status of MGA. What is it about Ahmadiyya that riles mainstream Muslims? Why do Ahmadi never have a Muslim or a Christian on their panel? I find most of Ahmadi propaganda to reassure their followers. It is void of real information. Why cannot Ahmadi discuss their founder's claims providing substantiating evidence. Why do Ahmad lie about their population? I am just inquisitive.
@amoralis123 'Mainstream Muslims' believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is the final prophet, and the Guidance he braught to us (The Quran) is the final guidance from our Creator, and that there is no need for another prophet. MGA claims to be Jesus the Messiah, AND also brings with him more guidance. Islam was complete with the Quran Muhammad delivered to us, we didn't need any more guidance. The 2nd coming of Jesus has many prophecies, the vast majority of which MGA failed to 'comply to'.
@paki7713 I would rather not invoke the curse of Allah. If you had any idea just how powerful the curse of Allah is, you would not throw it around willy-nilly like Mirza did. That should give you pause for thought. I pray for all people. May Allah help bring you out of darkness into the beauty of Islam. I apologise if I gave you the impression that I don't fear Allah, I can assure you that this is untrue.
thanks for this video. Please correct me if I am wrong. Tadhkirah is Ahmadiyya's religious book? & there are mistakes in it? How could a "Holy book" would've errors?
It is a one-stop-shop for the "wahi" of Mirza Ghulam. As such, if he was true, it'd be perfect, like the Qur'an, but it is riddled with errors and contradiction.
Assalamu Alikum Brother Shaid...We consider our Prophet's(PBUH) greatest miracle is "THE QURA'N".All the community around the world still astonishing infrond of the grammatical perfection of Qura'n. Here , my brother, u showed wotz the original reveltion and fake one...Jzakallah..
Randi kay Bachoon ka Droud bhie Randion kay jaisa -- Mirza Ghulam Ahmed par Daroud bhaij tay hain ! Allah ho Akbar -- Kafir Kafir Qadyani Kafir -- Randi maa kay Gandoo bachay ! Bahn choud --
ur the one who is filled with hatred against the promised messiah the imam of this age i will pray for you may allah forgive you and have mercy on you and your family and please the funny accent is annoying you are not borat and your english grammar is amazing hahaha dnt be to proud of being a fluent english speaker you knw you should try to put more emphasis on more important matters rather than grammar and so and i think yours and shaikhs videos are nonsense none of you can stop the victory
which victory r u talking about? with the passage of time the mirza sahib is being proved fake. he was a fake. the thing that annoys we muslims a lot is that if he wanted to be a prophet y did he use Quran. he could have introduced his own religion cuz he could still have found dumb followers like u
I am Thrilled....Mashallah you have lots of knowledge,,,,how about you claim to be a messenger of God ...Jub your face appears my friend instantly said that is scary looks like a satan he's not ahmadi...but you are a friend of Satan no doubt
As I said elsewhere, Christianity is even larger. So what's your point?
As for the rest of your points, they are irrelevant. Name me some recent intellectual giants in Qadianism? For your information, of the world's 100 greatest living intellectuals as polled recently in a joint British/American magazine, the top 10 were Muslims. No Qadianis in that list.
Risible! The sentence, the so-called "revelation from God" was written as "words of God not can exchange". Clearly, your Mirza was receiving revelation from Satan. And the sentence you re-constructed to do your ungrammatical and dyslexic god Yalaash a favour is still not grammatically correct. Do they teach you English in "Canada"?
Why are you bothering with it if you believe it to be so idiotic? And just looking objectively at your explanation of the grammatical incorrectness of the sentences as the work of Satan, the accursed angel who made a pact to corrupt the minds of every human for eternity, and is relatively successful in doing so with numerous people (to which I'm sure you'd agree)...how could Satan possibly be such a nimrod as to come up with grammatically incorrect words? Is that the best he can do?
1) No angel ever turns against Allah (SWT), it is impossible. It is Iblees you are talking about and he was one of the Jinn.
2) Satanic "inspirations" are frequent. Satan "inspires" man to do wrong. To attribute one's own poor English, as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did, to Allah (SWT), the One who makes no mistakes, reveals a temporary success for Satan.
And yes, I do believe they teach English in "Canada", not that it has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
And why, may I ask, is our community so much larger now than it was in the Promised Messiah's time? Is every single Ahmadi around the world a dimwit who is unrelenting in his/her belief in a "dyslexic god"? Were all those individuals and scholars in India who accepted him as the reformer of the century (even before making his claim) also dimwits?
do not exchange words of God? What are you talking about? If you received revelation from God, do you think you would forget a single word? Could you imagine how unsuccessful Muhammad saws would have been if he walked around saying, "I'm not sure of the sequence of the word ofGod, but it went something like this." God forbid, I wouldn't follow someone like that. I hope you have more sense than that.
Such stuff makes me smile. No fault with MGAQ. He was not good in English, he had a hired Translator who was HINDUE and probably his English was also weak who did his job in this fashion.
Qadian was a small village and 100 years back, English studying was not so common over there, whch resulted this silly mistakes.
your video sounds like the deluded words from satan. i think you need to study more and find out the true meaning of Islam and beg forgiveness from God. Have a nice life
his Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds. Or do they say, "He forged it?" Say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!" (Yunus 10:37-38)
surely when anyone else than ahmaddies says something in a quite rude way it is accepted. it is such a shame that you dont realise youre in the wrong.
And proof have you got this time that he drank plommers wine?? none!
YOU ARE RIDICULOUS IN YOUR CLAIMS, AND YOU SEEM FOOLISH AND IDIOTIC, YOU ARE DOING WORK FOR THE SATAN, YOU ARE LIKE THE JEWS WHEN JESUS CLAIMED TO BE THE MESSIAH. ITS WAS A PROPHECY THAT THE 72 SECTS WILL BE LIKE THE JEWS AND THEY ALL BE AGAINST THE 73TH. ACTIONS OF THESE 72 SECTS 'you' FURTHER PROVES THE TRUTH OF PROMISED MESSIAH. LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE. PROCESS THAT!!!
salaam, can you please tell me where is your referrence for that, because i have never heard of that, not that i'm a scholar but i do read alot of al-ḥadīth.
salaam, can you please tell me where is your referrence for that, because i have never heard of that, not that i'm a scholar but i do read alot of al-ḥadīth.
Right, of course, you're saying the BBC is the source of your truth. This is the organisation that only yesterday was in the headlines the world over for failures in ethics and honesty. The entire organisation is having to undergo ethical training. I prefer the Qur'an and Ahadith. That's what being Muslim means. We base our aqeeda on Qur'an. You base your aqeeda on da`eef ahadith and the BBC.
there are sooooo many sisgns that he did came but god has covered some peoples eyes and their heart is being ignorant. When shahidkamal is reading something by Hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani why does he make that accent?? i still didnt get a reply for my previous mails so i would be really greatfull if i do get a reply
Your (Shahid Kamal) duplicity is apparent when you use an accent to read an ENGLISH translation of the urdu revelation with subvert insinuation that ACCENTED people are inherently BAD!!!
these ahmadis are so misguided they say it was written in 1800 thats y it was bound to have mistakes LOL well the last profit muhammed saw revelation was revealed in 1430 years ago and it has no gramatical errors in it it has stood the test of time. if mirza the kuffars revelation was from god can it have errors in it? LOL WORDS CANNOT EXCHANGE LOLOLOLOLOLOL
You can't call someone a liar because the translation of a phrase was done in another era. This is the 1800s we're talking about, as you would know if you did your research. And another thing, do you not have anything better to do than defame yourself in the eyes of millions of others?
why do you make such an indian accent when you read from that book ? can you not use your own accent ? or it helps you portray Mirza even more fake and satanic ?
If we take MGA's assertion on Miraaj 2b true, then y Allah refuses (in a spiritual state of events) 2 giv a vision of Himself 2 Muhammad (saw) BUT then several times gives His vision 2 Mirza Ghulam Sahib? Doesnt that giv Mirza Sahb spiritual superiority over da best of the creation (Muhammad [saw])?
brother "h4tabs" you have a great information and knolwledge about islam and also about Ghulam mirzais, This phippi piece of ... will never understand, he doenst have a single answer of ur questions, all he have is just ISA and death of Isa and Mahdi, These people dont know Anything more than Isa and massih TRUST ME. I got a lot of information from ur comments.Wsalam brother.
Jazak'Allah wa khair'un brother; I stil swim in an ocean and certainly ther's a lot 2learn in Deen - Insha'Allah. I hav loads of experience with Qadiani Sahib's folowers, ur right - they bring Isa (a.s.) in2discussions even if u criticize the coat of their Hazoor! May Allah guide all of us, ameen.
@h4tabs.Mirza Sahab wrote explaination himself, that the meaning of this is the same as the Hadith of the Holy Prophet, which I quoted earlier (Nawafil), I dont know what is so difficult 4 u to understand.
I don't get it; Mirza interprets Ahadeeth as he wants to (i.e. uses Ibn Sireen's dream interpretations for Ahadeeth); inteprets Queen Victoria's vision in his dream as a sign of "divine mercy" and dreams of cheque-books, coins and Rupees!!! Surely this man had a lot of dreams! I feel sori dat his folowers haven't got time to think about such absurd interpretations! U hav no other answr exept 2say dat Mirza interprets his dreams by himself - which is de demonstration of an absurdity in itself.
@h4tabs..why these double standards, when we say tht Mirza Sahab interprets something himself, then its absurdity 4u! simply because u dont like Him, tht is absurdity in itself as well. People like Data Ganj Bakhs (ra), Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) and even mualvi M. Qasim (founder of Deoband) had a dream himself in his early years whr he saw he was sittin on the lap of Allah !!, so these all other interpretation r good 4u, why these double standards..
Qadir Jilani never wrote in his own writings that claim; it was added by his deviated folowers. Btw, ur list does NOT include any Prophets or Sahabis? Why is that? Doesn't it prove dat Mirza Sahib was rather a "peer" whom ppl lik u folow wihout any thinkng - and u aint alone; Qadir Jilani's folowers believ dat his spirit cud bring a dead body back2life - perhaps thats the next stop for Qadianis too, Ghulam Sahib hasnt left prophets without competing with them so poor Qadir Jilani has no chance!
Wallah I hav neva met any1 with less brains than u, perhaps even less than me! Plz lets get bak2da points in brother Shahid's video. Brother Shahid, I am sori 4dragging phippi in2a long discussion (rather fruitlessly!); didn't know these guys r like fish - they keep slipping!
@h4tabs..u can creat any thaughts in ur small brain, but i take ur statement keep slipping valid, not 4 me, rather 4 u! ur whole discussion, shahid's vdo is personal towards a man, just 2 disgrace a Noble person, u r right, only small mind people do things, u dont have power to talk on Quran or Hadiths
this "noble" person you talk about was a disgrace. Are you happy that he used the word "bastard" and "bitches" repeatedly? Are you happy that he called those who didn't accept and love his books the "progeny of whores"? Are you happy that he drank tonic wine? Are you happy that he took opium and prescribed it? Who has the small mind?
@shahidkamal..these all allegations are already answerd by us many time, but small minded r those who dont wanna believ because they failed in arguments ? thts why they choose to go personal, thr r only 3 types of people in world, i called them A,B&C types, the lowers of them r those who always talk about people, nothing else, the C types & I guess i dont hav to tell ur class!!
I have said nothing about your class. Why are you getting personal towards me? I have graciously allowed you to write here and you are turning into a typical abusive qadiani, what a shame.
These allegations have been brazenly defended, but they have never been answered. And if you had some backbone or fear of God, you would know that.
@shahidkamal..I think u dont get it, C class always have people in mind, e.g. he did tht, he was like tht, B class talk on people & some time talk on events as well, and rarely C class people give new ideas and have intellegence and grace, now chk ur vdos see whr u fit
No body has the power to talk on Quran & Hadeeth; but ur Ghulam Sahib had weird voices in his head which told him things about Quran & Hadeeth. Imagine the brain of a man who thinks the verses of Quran are re-revealed to him with completely difrent meaning - as if Allah has run of out words (astaghferollah)! He says we wont be asked about Hadeeth and our belief in Hadeeth (see: Malfoozat, part 4, p. 151) - we only giv evidnce frm ur Ghulam Sahib's books.
@h4tabs..I know ur position, but there are things which in Quran were not cleared or not understood b4, yes Mirza Sahab did clear manythings, after getting knowledge from Allah. may I ask u wht u think of these verses "nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.33:53
phippi: i askd u why pick & choose Ibn Sireen as it fits MGA? that's a simple question - but wallahei I dont knw if my English is unreadable or u are simply a robotically stupid person? Excuse me if im wrong but i dnt think u cant understnd my English. Accordng 2 Mirza Qadiani, Miraaj of Muhammad (saw) was NOT physical/real so why did Allah refuse Rasoolullah's (saw) request 2 show a vision of Himself?
@h4tabs..according to Mirza Sahab Miraj was not Physical only, u added the words real !! It was a dream, and certainly Quran said very clearly "visioin" in the sura, the general understand of this event is different in differnt people, & people made all kind of stories about it, so in the way u r asking me is the same trick, I advise u to clear ur concept of Miraj first, then u dont need any answers
My concept is clear, I (for time-being) axept dat Miraj was spiritual and a dream as u say - then why does Allah refuses 2give Muhammad (saw) a vision of Himself in a dream (i.e. Miraj) but He shows Himself no less than THREE times to Mirza Sahib in his dreams? Doesn't that make Mirza superior in his status to Muhammad (saw)? Isn't Allah's vision a mercy (according 2 Mirza's doctrine)?
@h4tabs..no one can see Allah directly, u r mixing things here again, did Mirza Sahah claimed the He saw God ? or did He say He saw in dream in some one shape ? i already give u Quranic verse and Hadith, whr you can see in spiritual sence people feel that they saw God! not only Mirza Sahab there are othes as well.
phippi: just shut up mate - u have absolutely no sense of debating like many other Qadianis. There's a difrence between takng Hadeeth metaphoricaly and making fun of Allah - jus like MGA does thro his writings. I asked u a simple question about Ibn Sireen but jus like ur brain-washers u guys cant answer anythng!
@shahidkamal..if you dont know then let me tell you something read this pls "[ETYM: Old Eng. eschange, eschaunge, Old Fren. eschange, from eschangier, French échanger, to exchange; pref. ex- out + French changer. Related to Change, Excamb.]"
Salams bro, hope u're well Insha'Allah. I've been reading ur discussion with phippi - and eventhough English is my FOURTH language - trust me it's better than phippi's! I can't believe de extent Ghulam Sahib's followers go 2 manipulate anythng as long as Ghulam Sahib is proven justified. Hav u ben readng my posts with phippi? May Allah guide all of us 2be humble and fully Muslims - ameen.
yes brother, your English is better than Phippi's and Mirza's by far. I have been following your discussion. I don't know why you bother lol - phippi is determined to remain deluded!
@shahidkamal..u r not the only one who r saying things like that, infact History is full of people like u who never understand the message from the People who came from Allah "011.091 They said: "O Shu'aib! much of what thou sayest we do not understand!.."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Your English is rubbish, you are trying to teach ME English? Exchange doesn't fit. Now go to the back of class, there's a good boy. What a joke!
@shahidkamal..lolz, I can see that too.. ur english !! go and read any english dictionary & see the meaning, if u can't then let me know I will give u references.
Let us hear your voice phippi. Then we will see how good your English is. Maybe it's as good hahahahaha as some of your English here HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Man, you are at least good for a laugh. For a minute I thought you were serious.
Exchange is not change. Change is when one thing changes form. Exchange is when two separate items are switched. Now, come back when you have picked your pants up from the floor.
wow brother nice advice to this Phippi "come back when you have picked your pants up from the floor". hahahahahahah lol lol lol really i cant stop. hahahahahahaha. lol lol.
Hilarious isn't it brother awais123? I mean, this guy, look at his English, he picks up a dictionary and next he will be getting wahi like his Mirza...lololololol
hahahahahahahahaha. brother belive me i cant stop "he picks up a dictionary and next he will be getting wahi like his MIRZA" lol lol lol lol. he is funny.
awais123..I can see the paterns of allegations, its clear from History that all the people who claimed that they r from God, had allegations like u people r doing at the moment, I can see how painfull is the truth to accept from u guys..keep trying
@h4tabs..I already told u that Mirza Sahab himself explained about it, so I dont think that I need any further explaination, you have already read it, its ur openion, either u wanna accept it or not. & thing abut Shaitaan is mearly a personal statement, u can make anything against any one..does'nt mean that It may be true.
phippi - please try to add to the discussion. Don't just come out with these meaningless posts that don't answer anything or add anything. You can do better!
phippi: let me tel u something else; u knw about Mirza Sahib's stomach problem n dat he had2go toilet numerous times day & night, right?im not being derrogatory but my point is dat Mirza Sahib justified his stomach problem and brain problem by interpretng 'yellow sheets & Isa Ibn Maryam' thro Ibn Sireen - eventho dat was a Hadeeth NOT a dream, eventho Mirza Sahib is NOT Ibn Maryam!
@h4tabs..in answer to ur question I want u to read this Hadith "And the most beloved things with which My slave comes nearer to Me, is what I have enjoined upon him; and My slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips, and his leg with which he walks;
BUT these are all metaphorical; wish Mirza Sahib had read your Hadeeth before declaring his dream to be from God. I don't know what kind of logic you guys have? Come on bruv, even u know that's not SANE for someone to say he saw Allah in his father's form in a dream - u don't accept it, then don't. But pliz, have some shame and do not insult the Koran/Hadeeth by mentioning them here and not implementing them in your Aqeedah.
@h4tabs.."BUT these are all metaphorical !! wow, man when we say its metaphorical den you try to find something to attack, now you asked me to prove the concept from Quran & Hadiths, so I did, first explain me the Quranic verses and Hadiths, and when you understand the meaning, I will tell u that it was exactaly what Mirza Sahab mentioned.
No-body is denying spiritual closenes to Allah, we DO know these Ahadeeth too because they were compiled by our own scholars - but it's really SICK to believe dat it's ok to dream of Allah in one's father's form, or in a man's form who puts his hand around another man's shoulder and speaks to him in Punjabi, have some respect/shame for Allah's sakes!
@h4tabs..u r running in a circle now, when spiritual closeness to Allah is OK, then accept Mirza Sahab claim also in that sence, that what He said before and I am telling you now.. No difference.
So, why for crying out loud u guys don't use ur brain and blindly close ur thinkng power? Why dont u hav the courage 2 interpret Mirza Sahib's dream with Ibn Sireen when he's being proven a liar? Mirza Sahib's explanation is dat his father was of good character and had a paternal love - but are these explanations enough 2say dat a Allah can take da face of a human?
What kind of logic do u guys hav dat u interpret a Hadeeth by Ibn Sireen in order 2achieve da twisted interpretation - but don't have da guts 2do da same with a dream when u're clearly being proven liars? If Ibn Sireen's interpretations r 'merely personal statements' then we can say dat Mirza Sahib's illnesses wer also plagues NOT attributes dat he had understood with Ibn Sireen's intepretations - right? use ur brain plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
@h4tabs..why is that ?? when Ibn Sireen said then its his personal thaughts, when Mirza Sahab said then its a crime, what u to these verses whr Allah Himself claiming "Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands..."
U stil haven't answerd, i told u why does Mirza Sahib justify his sicknesses by using Ibn Katheer's interpretation for a Hadeeth when Ibn Katheer is ONLY for dreams - but when Muslims ask you to have the guts and interpret Mirza Sahib's dream by Ibn Katheer then u just throw irrelevant remarks at us. U jus try to be inteligent but actualy ur power or understanding a question is really bad, pliz tell us why do u pick & choose Ibn Katheer?
phippi46: how do u justify de dreams of Mirza Sahib - esp da one wher he says he saw Allah in da form of his father (astaghferollah)? i am sure viewers here wud be interested here 2c ur arguments. remember, Mirza Sahib claims 2b better than Hadhrat Isa (a.s.) and dat Allah has called him with da names of all exalted prophets - so ur reasoning shud NOT b dat becuz Qadir Jilani's folowers allege dat he had dreamt of Allah therfore Mirza Sahib had2compete with him!
phippi46: i was jus tryng 2c if u wer difrent frm others in ur division (i.e. willing 2address the questions) but u're runing around a circle u hav drawn 4urself.
evry prophecy of Rasoolullah (saw) dat talks abut a pledge of Allah in da future DOES contain indication of signs/refrences wen prophecies wud be fulfild, e.g. Qiyamah, Al-Mahdi, descent of Isa Ibn Mariam (a.s.) and so on.
@h4tabs..Prophecies regarding Qiyamah, Al-Mahdi and so called descent are all Methphorically mentioned, untill u understand the point you will not see the indication or signs as well!!, u forgot to mentioned Dajjal in these Prophecies, do u belief that Isa (as) will fight with sword in modern times, so r u waiting for a time where people will start fighting with sword..what indications r u looking for ?
U see bruv,im asking u a question but den as Qadianis always do - u guys straight away jump to Hadhrat Isa (a.s.); 4ur information, only Mr. Mirza Tahir believd dat Muslims believ dat Isa (a.s.) wil break each cross physicaly and wil have some sort of sword - but obviously Tahir Sahib had neva met any Muslim scholar in his life, had neva debated with one or had bothered to read about Muslims' belief so I don't blame u 4thinkig lik ur 4th 'Hazoor'.
Ahadeeth & prophecies r clear about Isa's (a.s.) 2nd coming - howeva, wots also clear is dat Masjid Aqsa is NOT in Qadian and verse one of Sura Al-Asra is NOT about Qadian, Ma'zootain is DOES NOT have any prediction abut Isa's (a.s.) 2nd coming and certainly there's nothing about Isa's (a.s.) 2nd coming in Sura Al-Fatiha; but I wish Mirza Sahib had told us wot Koranic/Sunnah evidence he has for claiming all of de above?
@h4tabs..I dont think that Ahadeeth & Prophecis r clear about Isa's (as) 2nd coming. u think that word "Nazul" mean Physical descend then check this word in Quran & u'll find that all kind of things are attached with these words and all of these things were not droped from Heaven!! & regarding Surah Al-Fatiah ?? whats reference is there about Isa (as) 2nd comming.
@phippi46 please please please, facts is what we are talking about, Gramatical error is not a personal statement, its a fact, so lern to accept the facts. it only gets as complicated as that, which part of that do u not understand tht you have to lie back on ur false god as Allah surely didnt sent MGA so logicaly you are borowing the name Allah from Arabic, who is ur god?
@imvoiceless..There is only One God, u dont belief that, then i am sorry 4 u, Mirza Sahab did'nt claimed anything from Himself, if he had done this, the the Promise of Allah is clear 4 opening ur eyes.. Allah said "وَلَوْ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيْنَا بَعْضَ الْأَقَاوِيلِ
imvoiceless.. 69:44-46 said "And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand,And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:" here MGA is directly claiming that He was a Non-Law Bearing Nabi !!
@shahidkamal.. God is refering in words "And if the apostle were to invent...." really He meant all of them and not only the Holy Prophet (PBUH)!!.. you can do better, just try.
You don't know Arabic, you don't know Islam, you only know the darkness of the man-made Mirzaiyyat. Even if your contrived conjecture and blasphemy were true, Mirza was not a prophet. This applies only to an apostle, not a charlatan!
imvoiceless..Mirza Sahab clearly said the He was not sure about sequence and there are two others revelation in the same page. What he rememberd He wrote, no cuting and changing.
@h4tabs..like I said if you already made ur mind, then there is no way that i can convice u, its dat simple. there are always two side of the things, u know there are many allegations against the Holy Prophets (PBUH) as well, and u can not answer all of these either, so does it make the Holy Prophet's (PBUH) claim Nauzbillah false !! NO.
again phippi, this is really short-sighted. Using your logic, there is no difference between any common person and a prophet. Why aren't you convinced about Bahaullah then?
@phippi46: as you said that "there are many allegations againts the Holy prophet as well" can you tell me that those allgations were right or Proved? No. but here many muslims brothers have proved the allegations againts Mirza Dajjal ahmed. A person is not guillte unless and untill you dont prove any crime againts him. lot of people have also allegations about God nauzubillah does it matter?. But all the allegations againts Mirza are proved 100%. So what do you think.. he is still a prophet.
@awais123..I can ask from ur own Idealogy, my belief is the allegation against Holy Prophets are wrong, but a large part of the world dont belief that!!, so If you say that allegation agains MGA was right 4 u, its ur openion, u can make anything, in ur world u can prove anything, for us all allegations against Him are false and proven wrong.
If ther's no time-limit,den ther must b sum signs or indication dat suports such revelations of Mirza Sahib, this is wot Allah has alwys done - He has givn us knowledge of signs/indicatives dat wud tell us dat a certain pledge of Allah regardng a promised matter is being fulfild or going2 occur soon.
Remember,accordng to Mirza Sahib da millennium in whch he claimd Messiah-ship is da last millennium b4 its Qiayamh! So we dnt hav much time in hand!!!
@h4tabs..I read Mirza Sahab once mentioned a time period of 300 years for for Islam to become an accepted religion for Majority of the world Population. Regarding Prophecies, u have to understand that some revelations are mentioned metaphorically, as Prophcies regarding Dajjal by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) were mentioned Metaphorically. Not always you take them literally.
1: Wher can i find his prediction of 300 years pliz? I wil get back to u on this once I have read this, but pliz give me the refrence.
2: is acceptance of Islam connected to the removal of Hinduism? How wud accpetance of Islam lead to the fulfilment of da so-calld revelation abut Hinduism?
3: Dajjal is a big topic; Insha'Allah it will be raised in the future but I hope everyone wud keep the discussion mature and polite.
@paki7713.. My friend I am studying Ahmadiiya jamaath (As my readings, I would like to say and share you that, this is great danger than Judaism) almost 18 years now. At the age of 15, I have started to read the books of this cults. Now I am 33 years old. I am from kerala, India. Shahid Kamal continue your work until to finish this cults from this universe. This is the duty of every single muslim to call the Ahamadiyans to revert to Islam.
chinugee 7 months ago
LOL. what a loser u actually are. do u think u can actually cause any damage to our jamaat by leaving? we dont need people like u. there is nothing islamic about u that u have ''found the real islam'' in the sunni belief or whatever it is that u claim 2 follow nowadays. your body language and the way u speak shows how humble and how much u actually fear allah. may allah bring a curse on the liars, i heard u say your family is still ahmadi may allah bring lanaat on the liars and decievers
paki7713 1 year ago
@paki7713 It is a strange situation. For a year I have tried to study Ahmadiyya. I am still confused about the status of MGA. What is it about Ahmadiyya that riles mainstream Muslims? Why do Ahmadi never have a Muslim or a Christian on their panel? I find most of Ahmadi propaganda to reassure their followers. It is void of real information. Why cannot Ahmadi discuss their founder's claims providing substantiating evidence. Why do Ahmad lie about their population? I am just inquisitive.
amoralis123 8 months ago
@amoralis123 'Mainstream Muslims' believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is the final prophet, and the Guidance he braught to us (The Quran) is the final guidance from our Creator, and that there is no need for another prophet. MGA claims to be Jesus the Messiah, AND also brings with him more guidance. Islam was complete with the Quran Muhammad delivered to us, we didn't need any more guidance. The 2nd coming of Jesus has many prophecies, the vast majority of which MGA failed to 'comply to'.
FireSign27 8 months ago
@paki7713 I would rather not invoke the curse of Allah. If you had any idea just how powerful the curse of Allah is, you would not throw it around willy-nilly like Mirza did. That should give you pause for thought. I pray for all people. May Allah help bring you out of darkness into the beauty of Islam. I apologise if I gave you the impression that I don't fear Allah, I can assure you that this is untrue.
shahidkamal 8 months ago
Brother May Allah give your glory in here and there after
mrakq4m 1 year ago
@mrakq4m jazakallah khayr
shahidkamal 8 months ago
Great videos Mr. K. May peace be with you.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 wa `alaykum salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuh
shahidkamal 8 months ago
you have one video that i coulnd watch because it was a private video,
how can i watch it ?
IdemD 1 year ago
you have one video that i couldn see because it was private ? wich one is that and how can i watch it ?
IdemD 1 year ago
@IdemD You can't, it's been removed. Sorry.
shahidkamal 1 year ago
@shahidkamal ok thanks anyway, selam
IdemD 1 year ago
@IdemD No problem, wslm wr wb
shahidkamal 1 year ago
brother keep up the work u must get Islam's message to qadiyanies
pk47MRT 1 year ago
thanks for this video. Please correct me if I am wrong. Tadhkirah is Ahmadiyya's religious book? & there are mistakes in it? How could a "Holy book" would've errors?
desigal007 2 years ago
It is a one-stop-shop for the "wahi" of Mirza Ghulam. As such, if he was true, it'd be perfect, like the Qur'an, but it is riddled with errors and contradiction.
shahidkamal 2 years ago
@shahidkamal Your mind is riddled with errors and contradiction.
aoawwbh 1 year ago
@aoawwbh Hmmm, yeah, says the cultee.
shahidkamal 1 year ago
Thank you Brother Shaid, I have learned alot from your videos, you are a great
resercher, keep it up , ISLAM and QURAN can not be changed or exchanged by anybody like us,this man made book is a joke compair to QURAN
AAMUUSA 2 years ago
What is Tadhkirah ??. Is this new quranic version of qaidiani religion ??.
DonaKhan 2 years ago
Assalamu Alikum Brother Shaid...We consider our Prophet's(PBUH) greatest miracle is "THE QURA'N".All the community around the world still astonishing infrond of the grammatical perfection of Qura'n. Here , my brother, u showed wotz the original reveltion and fake one...Jzakallah..
muhamedalam 2 years ago 2
quran isnt a miracle of the prophet PBUH but a miracle by allah
omega1maestro 2 years ago
Randi kay Bachoon ka Droud bhie Randion kay jaisa -- Mirza Ghulam Ahmed par Daroud bhaij tay hain ! Allah ho Akbar -- Kafir Kafir Qadyani Kafir -- Randi maa kay Gandoo bachay ! Bahn choud --
karachisay 2 years ago 3
Bravo
alisweet85 3 years ago
shahid kamal keep it up
tuck3373 3 years ago 5
ur the one who is filled with hatred against the promised messiah the imam of this age i will pray for you may allah forgive you and have mercy on you and your family and please the funny accent is annoying you are not borat and your english grammar is amazing hahaha dnt be to proud of being a fluent english speaker you knw you should try to put more emphasis on more important matters rather than grammar and so and i think yours and shaikhs videos are nonsense none of you can stop the victory
shereleicester 3 years ago
U mean to say, Mirza's god did not care for grammar in his revelations. LOL.
dojistarbullish 2 years ago
the victory of who?.. after having heard ALL of what mirza told you,you still believe him?..
1. He said he was a prophet.<-- go read his books 2. he said he saw God in human form astaghfirullah.
3. An Imam is an Imam.A prophet is a chosen one whom Allah reveals His message .
and the mahdi is a chosen IMam <-- thats it.
NOT a prophet ,he CANNOT see Allah. NOt even Hazrat Musa a.s. was able to do so.how can you follow a man who is fooled by shaytan so badly?
Pua8 2 years ago
which victory r u talking about? with the passage of time the mirza sahib is being proved fake. he was a fake. the thing that annoys we muslims a lot is that if he wanted to be a prophet y did he use Quran. he could have introduced his own religion cuz he could still have found dumb followers like u
faziljaved 2 years ago
Did he really claimed that he got revelations in english? If yes was this kuffr tadhkira "reveald"?
AbuIsaSalafi 3 years ago
"Love for All, Hatred for None" eh?
You people are so predictably full of hatred.
shahidkamal 3 years ago
I am Thrilled....Mashallah you have lots of knowledge,,,,how about you claim to be a messenger of God ...Jub your face appears my friend instantly said that is scary looks like a satan he's not ahmadi...but you are a friend of Satan no doubt
mubasharahmad25 3 years ago
As I said elsewhere, Christianity is even larger. So what's your point?
As for the rest of your points, they are irrelevant. Name me some recent intellectual giants in Qadianism? For your information, of the world's 100 greatest living intellectuals as polled recently in a joint British/American magazine, the top 10 were Muslims. No Qadianis in that list.
shahidkamal 3 years ago
Where can I get that poll?
AbuIsaSalafi 3 years ago
How about "do not exchange words of God", genius?
Makes sense to me...and it uses all of the words in that sentence.
polterrrgeisttt 3 years ago
Risible! The sentence, the so-called "revelation from God" was written as "words of God not can exchange". Clearly, your Mirza was receiving revelation from Satan. And the sentence you re-constructed to do your ungrammatical and dyslexic god Yalaash a favour is still not grammatically correct. Do they teach you English in "Canada"?
shahidkamal 3 years ago
Why are you bothering with it if you believe it to be so idiotic? And just looking objectively at your explanation of the grammatical incorrectness of the sentences as the work of Satan, the accursed angel who made a pact to corrupt the minds of every human for eternity, and is relatively successful in doing so with numerous people (to which I'm sure you'd agree)...how could Satan possibly be such a nimrod as to come up with grammatically incorrect words? Is that the best he can do?
polterrrgeisttt 3 years ago
1) No angel ever turns against Allah (SWT), it is impossible. It is Iblees you are talking about and he was one of the Jinn.
2) Satanic "inspirations" are frequent. Satan "inspires" man to do wrong. To attribute one's own poor English, as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did, to Allah (SWT), the One who makes no mistakes, reveals a temporary success for Satan.
shahidkamal 3 years ago
And yes, I do believe they teach English in "Canada", not that it has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
And why, may I ask, is our community so much larger now than it was in the Promised Messiah's time? Is every single Ahmadi around the world a dimwit who is unrelenting in his/her belief in a "dyslexic god"? Were all those individuals and scholars in India who accepted him as the reformer of the century (even before making his claim) also dimwits?
polterrrgeisttt 3 years ago
do not exchange words of God? What are you talking about? If you received revelation from God, do you think you would forget a single word? Could you imagine how unsuccessful Muhammad saws would have been if he walked around saying, "I'm not sure of the sequence of the word ofGod, but it went something like this." God forbid, I wouldn't follow someone like that. I hope you have more sense than that.
basiraashley 3 years ago
How about a link so everyone can download this book and see it?
LawrenceErnie 3 years ago
Welcome back man you are rock... so funny and full with info..... lolz
oonewageoo 3 years ago
the satan would have done a better job, please brother don't insult satan.
imadhurata 3 years ago
So, the mistake is purely Mirza's?
It definitely didn't originate from Allah, Allah isn't stupid like that.
farhan00 3 years ago
One mistake is sufficient to prove that it is not from Allah, since Allah does not make any mistakes.
farhan00 4 years ago
this guy is class words of god do not exchange ahhahahaahhahaahhaahhaahah lol cheers bro thanks 4 revealin mirza`s lies
azzyutube 4 years ago
why are you not coming up with more videos?
I hope you are well.
Please
MsRufoBasheeruddinK2 4 years ago
jazakallah khayr for your interest. Alhamdulillah I am well and will be doing a new video soon. I have just been very busy at work.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
Such stuff makes me smile. No fault with MGAQ. He was not good in English, he had a hired Translator who was HINDUE and probably his English was also weak who did his job in this fashion.
Qadian was a small village and 100 years back, English studying was not so common over there, whch resulted this silly mistakes.
Rizkhanae 4 years ago
why dont you criticise Osama Bin laden's work. Why???
and when you do make sure you use that ridiculous accent.
ynu2242 4 years ago
Why don't you respond to the video?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
your video sounds like the deluded words from satan. i think you need to study more and find out the true meaning of Islam and beg forgiveness from God. Have a nice life
ynu2242 4 years ago
Why don't you study Mirza's writings to learn what a charlatan and evil man he was?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@ynu2242
All Ahmadi should beg forgiveness from God for the wrong doings of MGAQ. They should leave practicing taught be him.
Rizkhanae 4 years ago
1907 - Prayer Duel with Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari.
1908 -DEATH: Mirza suddenly develops Cholera. With remorse and disappointment he uttered his last words to his father in law:
"Mir Sahib! I have developed Epidemic Cholera." He could not utter any words after that and died within a short time.
Mohammadi Begum lived happily with her husband for next 35 years.
Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari lived for the next 40 years.
Philip0Stewart 4 years ago
his Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds. Or do they say, "He forged it?" Say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!" (Yunus 10:37-38)
k0329212 4 years ago
surely when anyone else than ahmaddies says something in a quite rude way it is accepted. it is such a shame that you dont realise youre in the wrong.
And proof have you got this time that he drank plommers wine?? none!
because hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani didnt
proud2beahmaddi 4 years ago
YOU ARE RIDICULOUS IN YOUR CLAIMS, AND YOU SEEM FOOLISH AND IDIOTIC, YOU ARE DOING WORK FOR THE SATAN, YOU ARE LIKE THE JEWS WHEN JESUS CLAIMED TO BE THE MESSIAH. ITS WAS A PROPHECY THAT THE 72 SECTS WILL BE LIKE THE JEWS AND THEY ALL BE AGAINST THE 73TH. ACTIONS OF THESE 72 SECTS 'you' FURTHER PROVES THE TRUTH OF PROMISED MESSIAH. LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE. PROCESS THAT!!!
EkKhaksar 4 years ago
Oh dear Mirza Sahib, have you been drinking Plommer's Tonic Wine again? Is that why you are abusive, loud and incoherent?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
salaam, can you please tell me where is your referrence for that, because i have never heard of that, not that i'm a scholar but i do read alot of al-ḥadīth.
k0329212 4 years ago
Who are you asking and for what reference?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
i was replying to the prophecy EkKhaksar has mentioned
k0329212 4 years ago
salaam, can you please tell me where is your referrence for that, because i have never heard of that, not that i'm a scholar but i do read alot of al-ḥadīth.
k0329212 4 years ago
This is extmly funny english. MGAQ was to wite in Punajbi/urdu instead of english
Rizkhanae 4 years ago
hmmm about isa as
look up in youtube "jesus kashmir bbc" and then you will see the truth!!
proud2beahmaddi 4 years ago
Right, of course, you're saying the BBC is the source of your truth. This is the organisation that only yesterday was in the headlines the world over for failures in ethics and honesty. The entire organisation is having to undergo ethical training. I prefer the Qur'an and Ahadith. That's what being Muslim means. We base our aqeeda on Qur'an. You base your aqeeda on da`eef ahadith and the BBC.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
no i mean you sound normal before you start reading out the revelations
that is racism and is that islams teaching??
i hope not
proud2beahmaddi 4 years ago
What a patently ridiculous accusation.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
there are sooooo many sisgns that he did came but god has covered some peoples eyes and their heart is being ignorant. When shahidkamal is reading something by Hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani why does he make that accent?? i still didnt get a reply for my previous mails so i would be really greatfull if i do get a reply
proud2beahmaddi 4 years ago
What do you mean "that accent"? Do you mean an authentic Indian accent? Because that is my accent too. So what is your point?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
Your (Shahid Kamal) duplicity is apparent when you use an accent to read an ENGLISH translation of the urdu revelation with subvert insinuation that ACCENTED people are inherently BAD!!!
sfahmad 4 years ago
No need to onject his accent. Do you have any justification of MGAQ wrong, silly and stupid english
Rizkhanae 4 years ago
Im sure Shakespeare sounds weird aswell because our english has changed with time.
And at other people than this "person who made the video"
have you ever tried to research all the history about hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani??
maybe you should
and if your calling ahmaddies "satans" then what about all the maulvies locking themselfes up in a mosque.
not just killing themselves they are killing all these innocent children and womens with them
proud2beahmaddi 4 years ago
you guys are fighting about who is a "non-muslim" or a muslim
it is not going to help if people call hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani "satan"(astaghfarullah)
every one is looking at a grammar mistake when these revelations were made 100 years ago.
proud2beahmaddi 4 years ago
I think God needs to book himself into ESL classes because if he dosnt sort his language problems out were in big trouble (NauthoBILLAH)
yousafuk007 4 years ago
these ahmadis are so misguided they say it was written in 1800 thats y it was bound to have mistakes LOL well the last profit muhammed saw revelation was revealed in 1430 years ago and it has no gramatical errors in it it has stood the test of time. if mirza the kuffars revelation was from god can it have errors in it? LOL WORDS CANNOT EXCHANGE LOLOLOLOLOLOL
lmisbah 4 years ago
Worse than that, satan revealed himself in Mirza's revelations when Mirza wrote in Urdu as shown in the video that "words of God NOT CAN exchange"!
shahidkamal 4 years ago
You can't call someone a liar because the translation of a phrase was done in another era. This is the 1800s we're talking about, as you would know if you did your research. And another thing, do you not have anything better to do than defame yourself in the eyes of millions of others?
ldbws 4 years ago
why do you make such an indian accent when you read from that book ? can you not use your own accent ? or it helps you portray Mirza even more fake and satanic ?
proletariat1818 4 years ago
is that all you have to say?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
mr shahid your vidoes are full of lies
haqdabanda 4 years ago
wow - great feedback! name a single lie. And if you can't, then who is the liar and the sinner?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
If we take MGA's assertion on Miraaj 2b true, then y Allah refuses (in a spiritual state of events) 2 giv a vision of Himself 2 Muhammad (saw) BUT then several times gives His vision 2 Mirza Ghulam Sahib? Doesnt that giv Mirza Sahb spiritual superiority over da best of the creation (Muhammad [saw])?
h4tabs 4 years ago
brother "h4tabs" you have a great information and knolwledge about islam and also about Ghulam mirzais, This phippi piece of ... will never understand, he doenst have a single answer of ur questions, all he have is just ISA and death of Isa and Mahdi, These people dont know Anything more than Isa and massih TRUST ME. I got a lot of information from ur comments.Wsalam brother.
awais123 4 years ago
Jazak'Allah wa khair'un brother; I stil swim in an ocean and certainly ther's a lot 2learn in Deen - Insha'Allah. I hav loads of experience with Qadiani Sahib's folowers, ur right - they bring Isa (a.s.) in2discussions even if u criticize the coat of their Hazoor! May Allah guide all of us, ameen.
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs.Mirza Sahab wrote explaination himself, that the meaning of this is the same as the Hadith of the Holy Prophet, which I quoted earlier (Nawafil), I dont know what is so difficult 4 u to understand.
phippi46 4 years ago
I don't get it; Mirza interprets Ahadeeth as he wants to (i.e. uses Ibn Sireen's dream interpretations for Ahadeeth); inteprets Queen Victoria's vision in his dream as a sign of "divine mercy" and dreams of cheque-books, coins and Rupees!!! Surely this man had a lot of dreams! I feel sori dat his folowers haven't got time to think about such absurd interpretations! U hav no other answr exept 2say dat Mirza interprets his dreams by himself - which is de demonstration of an absurdity in itself.
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..why these double standards, when we say tht Mirza Sahab interprets something himself, then its absurdity 4u! simply because u dont like Him, tht is absurdity in itself as well. People like Data Ganj Bakhs (ra), Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) and even mualvi M. Qasim (founder of Deoband) had a dream himself in his early years whr he saw he was sittin on the lap of Allah !!, so these all other interpretation r good 4u, why these double standards..
phippi46 4 years ago
None of those people (refs please btw) claimed prophethood. Get back to the point of the video and stop deviating.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
Qadir Jilani never wrote in his own writings that claim; it was added by his deviated folowers. Btw, ur list does NOT include any Prophets or Sahabis? Why is that? Doesn't it prove dat Mirza Sahib was rather a "peer" whom ppl lik u folow wihout any thinkng - and u aint alone; Qadir Jilani's folowers believ dat his spirit cud bring a dead body back2life - perhaps thats the next stop for Qadianis too, Ghulam Sahib hasnt left prophets without competing with them so poor Qadir Jilani has no chance!
h4tabs 4 years ago
Wallah I hav neva met any1 with less brains than u, perhaps even less than me! Plz lets get bak2da points in brother Shahid's video. Brother Shahid, I am sori 4dragging phippi in2a long discussion (rather fruitlessly!); didn't know these guys r like fish - they keep slipping!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..u can creat any thaughts in ur small brain, but i take ur statement keep slipping valid, not 4 me, rather 4 u! ur whole discussion, shahid's vdo is personal towards a man, just 2 disgrace a Noble person, u r right, only small mind people do things, u dont have power to talk on Quran or Hadiths
phippi46 4 years ago
this "noble" person you talk about was a disgrace. Are you happy that he used the word "bastard" and "bitches" repeatedly? Are you happy that he called those who didn't accept and love his books the "progeny of whores"? Are you happy that he drank tonic wine? Are you happy that he took opium and prescribed it? Who has the small mind?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..these all allegations are already answerd by us many time, but small minded r those who dont wanna believ because they failed in arguments ? thts why they choose to go personal, thr r only 3 types of people in world, i called them A,B&C types, the lowers of them r those who always talk about people, nothing else, the C types & I guess i dont hav to tell ur class!!
phippi46 4 years ago
I have said nothing about your class. Why are you getting personal towards me? I have graciously allowed you to write here and you are turning into a typical abusive qadiani, what a shame.
These allegations have been brazenly defended, but they have never been answered. And if you had some backbone or fear of God, you would know that.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..I think u dont get it, C class always have people in mind, e.g. he did tht, he was like tht, B class talk on people & some time talk on events as well, and rarely C class people give new ideas and have intellegence and grace, now chk ur vdos see whr u fit
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi, Mirza called all Muslims children of whores. Who was 'C' class?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal.. pls put here the refernce for that allegatoin.
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi, insha'Allah I will do much better than that! I will make a video on the subject. I hope you will watch it. Lett's move on now! Thank you.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..yes pls, let see what you bring this time
phippi46 4 years ago
No body has the power to talk on Quran & Hadeeth; but ur Ghulam Sahib had weird voices in his head which told him things about Quran & Hadeeth. Imagine the brain of a man who thinks the verses of Quran are re-revealed to him with completely difrent meaning - as if Allah has run of out words (astaghferollah)! He says we wont be asked about Hadeeth and our belief in Hadeeth (see: Malfoozat, part 4, p. 151) - we only giv evidnce frm ur Ghulam Sahib's books.
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..I know ur position, but there are things which in Quran were not cleared or not understood b4, yes Mirza Sahab did clear manythings, after getting knowledge from Allah. may I ask u wht u think of these verses "nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.33:53
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi: i askd u why pick & choose Ibn Sireen as it fits MGA? that's a simple question - but wallahei I dont knw if my English is unreadable or u are simply a robotically stupid person? Excuse me if im wrong but i dnt think u cant understnd my English. Accordng 2 Mirza Qadiani, Miraaj of Muhammad (saw) was NOT physical/real so why did Allah refuse Rasoolullah's (saw) request 2 show a vision of Himself?
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..according to Mirza Sahab Miraj was not Physical only, u added the words real !! It was a dream, and certainly Quran said very clearly "visioin" in the sura, the general understand of this event is different in differnt people, & people made all kind of stories about it, so in the way u r asking me is the same trick, I advise u to clear ur concept of Miraj first, then u dont need any answers
phippi46 4 years ago
My concept is clear, I (for time-being) axept dat Miraj was spiritual and a dream as u say - then why does Allah refuses 2give Muhammad (saw) a vision of Himself in a dream (i.e. Miraj) but He shows Himself no less than THREE times to Mirza Sahib in his dreams? Doesn't that make Mirza superior in his status to Muhammad (saw)? Isn't Allah's vision a mercy (according 2 Mirza's doctrine)?
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..no one can see Allah directly, u r mixing things here again, did Mirza Sahah claimed the He saw God ? or did He say He saw in dream in some one shape ? i already give u Quranic verse and Hadith, whr you can see in spiritual sence people feel that they saw God! not only Mirza Sahab there are othes as well.
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi: just shut up mate - u have absolutely no sense of debating like many other Qadianis. There's a difrence between takng Hadeeth metaphoricaly and making fun of Allah - jus like MGA does thro his writings. I asked u a simple question about Ibn Sireen but jus like ur brain-washers u guys cant answer anythng!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..same thaughts for you man !!
phippi46 4 years ago
I am flattered; thanks!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..if you dont know then let me tell you something read this pls "[ETYM: Old Eng. eschange, eschaunge, Old Fren. eschange, from eschangier, French échanger, to exchange; pref. ex- out + French changer. Related to Change, Excamb.]"
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi, seriously, you are making yourself look really, really stupid here. You are like a child trying to fix a car engine.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
Man, I'm glad Mirza didn't have a French dictionary, he would have got French wahi too hahahaha
Can you imagine? Tadhkirah might have had the following "revelation"...
"Je suis Jesus et Krishna et Ibrahim et Muhammad et DIEIU" hahahahahahaha
shahidkamal 4 years ago
lol lol lol lol. brother, what abt Mirza's spanish versions of Revelations? lol.
awais123 4 years ago
awais123 Brother what a joke how can a person so stupid you are right phippi is the most stupid person i ever seen lol lol lol
MindMasters 4 years ago
Salams bro, hope u're well Insha'Allah. I've been reading ur discussion with phippi - and eventhough English is my FOURTH language - trust me it's better than phippi's! I can't believe de extent Ghulam Sahib's followers go 2 manipulate anythng as long as Ghulam Sahib is proven justified. Hav u ben readng my posts with phippi? May Allah guide all of us 2be humble and fully Muslims - ameen.
h4tabs 4 years ago
yes brother, your English is better than Phippi's and Mirza's by far. I have been following your discussion. I don't know why you bother lol - phippi is determined to remain deluded!
And summa ameen!
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..u r not the only one who r saying things like that, infact History is full of people like u who never understand the message from the People who came from Allah "011.091 They said: "O Shu'aib! much of what thou sayest we do not understand!.."
phippi46 4 years ago
Oh I understand The Message from the Messengers. I just don't understand the message of mirza from Satan...
shahidkamal 4 years ago
lol lol Brother shahid you are great
MindMasters 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..well I am sorry to say that you should learn something about english. "Exchange" is used in the meaning of "Change" also.
phippi46 4 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Your English is rubbish, you are trying to teach ME English? Exchange doesn't fit. Now go to the back of class, there's a good boy. What a joke!
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal.. seriously... man go and read some english books again, you will find the the meaning of exchange also.
phippi46 4 years ago
@shahidkamal..lolz, I can see that too.. ur english !! go and read any english dictionary & see the meaning, if u can't then let me know I will give u references.
phippi46 4 years ago
Let us hear your voice phippi. Then we will see how good your English is. Maybe it's as good hahahahaha as some of your English here HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Man, you are at least good for a laugh. For a minute I thought you were serious.
Exchange is not change. Change is when one thing changes form. Exchange is when two separate items are switched. Now, come back when you have picked your pants up from the floor.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
lol. i cant stop laughing.
awais123 4 years ago
wow brother nice advice to this Phippi "come back when you have picked your pants up from the floor". hahahahahahah lol lol lol really i cant stop. hahahahahahaha. lol lol.
awais123 4 years ago
Hilarious isn't it brother awais123? I mean, this guy, look at his English, he picks up a dictionary and next he will be getting wahi like his Mirza...lololololol
shahidkamal 4 years ago
hahahahahahahahaha. brother belive me i cant stop "he picks up a dictionary and next he will be getting wahi like his MIRZA" lol lol lol lol. he is funny.
awais123 4 years ago
awais123..I can see the paterns of allegations, its clear from History that all the people who claimed that they r from God, had allegations like u people r doing at the moment, I can see how painfull is the truth to accept from u guys..keep trying
phippi46 4 years ago
@h4tabs..I already told u that Mirza Sahab himself explained about it, so I dont think that I need any further explaination, you have already read it, its ur openion, either u wanna accept it or not. & thing abut Shaitaan is mearly a personal statement, u can make anything against any one..does'nt mean that It may be true.
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi - please try to add to the discussion. Don't just come out with these meaningless posts that don't answer anything or add anything. You can do better!
shahidkamal 4 years ago
phippi: let me tel u something else; u knw about Mirza Sahib's stomach problem n dat he had2go toilet numerous times day & night, right?im not being derrogatory but my point is dat Mirza Sahib justified his stomach problem and brain problem by interpretng 'yellow sheets & Isa Ibn Maryam' thro Ibn Sireen - eventho dat was a Hadeeth NOT a dream, eventho Mirza Sahib is NOT Ibn Maryam!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..in answer to ur question I want u to read this Hadith "And the most beloved things with which My slave comes nearer to Me, is what I have enjoined upon him; and My slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips, and his leg with which he walks;
phippi46 4 years ago
BUT these are all metaphorical; wish Mirza Sahib had read your Hadeeth before declaring his dream to be from God. I don't know what kind of logic you guys have? Come on bruv, even u know that's not SANE for someone to say he saw Allah in his father's form in a dream - u don't accept it, then don't. But pliz, have some shame and do not insult the Koran/Hadeeth by mentioning them here and not implementing them in your Aqeedah.
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs.."BUT these are all metaphorical !! wow, man when we say its metaphorical den you try to find something to attack, now you asked me to prove the concept from Quran & Hadiths, so I did, first explain me the Quranic verses and Hadiths, and when you understand the meaning, I will tell u that it was exactaly what Mirza Sahab mentioned.
phippi46 4 years ago
No-body is denying spiritual closenes to Allah, we DO know these Ahadeeth too because they were compiled by our own scholars - but it's really SICK to believe dat it's ok to dream of Allah in one's father's form, or in a man's form who puts his hand around another man's shoulder and speaks to him in Punjabi, have some respect/shame for Allah's sakes!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..u r running in a circle now, when spiritual closeness to Allah is OK, then accept Mirza Sahab claim also in that sence, that what He said before and I am telling you now.. No difference.
phippi46 4 years ago
So, why for crying out loud u guys don't use ur brain and blindly close ur thinkng power? Why dont u hav the courage 2 interpret Mirza Sahib's dream with Ibn Sireen when he's being proven a liar? Mirza Sahib's explanation is dat his father was of good character and had a paternal love - but are these explanations enough 2say dat a Allah can take da face of a human?
h4tabs 4 years ago
What kind of logic do u guys hav dat u interpret a Hadeeth by Ibn Sireen in order 2achieve da twisted interpretation - but don't have da guts 2do da same with a dream when u're clearly being proven liars? If Ibn Sireen's interpretations r 'merely personal statements' then we can say dat Mirza Sahib's illnesses wer also plagues NOT attributes dat he had understood with Ibn Sireen's intepretations - right? use ur brain plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..why is that ?? when Ibn Sireen said then its his personal thaughts, when Mirza Sahab said then its a crime, what u to these verses whr Allah Himself claiming "Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands..."
phippi46 4 years ago
U stil haven't answerd, i told u why does Mirza Sahib justify his sicknesses by using Ibn Katheer's interpretation for a Hadeeth when Ibn Katheer is ONLY for dreams - but when Muslims ask you to have the guts and interpret Mirza Sahib's dream by Ibn Katheer then u just throw irrelevant remarks at us. U jus try to be inteligent but actualy ur power or understanding a question is really bad, pliz tell us why do u pick & choose Ibn Katheer?
h4tabs 4 years ago
hey man you have the same name as i have how are you man
iamstupidShahidKamal 4 years ago
phippi46: how do u justify de dreams of Mirza Sahib - esp da one wher he says he saw Allah in da form of his father (astaghferollah)? i am sure viewers here wud be interested here 2c ur arguments. remember, Mirza Sahib claims 2b better than Hadhrat Isa (a.s.) and dat Allah has called him with da names of all exalted prophets - so ur reasoning shud NOT b dat becuz Qadir Jilani's folowers allege dat he had dreamt of Allah therfore Mirza Sahib had2compete with him!
h4tabs 4 years ago
phippi46: i was jus tryng 2c if u wer difrent frm others in ur division (i.e. willing 2address the questions) but u're runing around a circle u hav drawn 4urself.
evry prophecy of Rasoolullah (saw) dat talks abut a pledge of Allah in da future DOES contain indication of signs/refrences wen prophecies wud be fulfild, e.g. Qiyamah, Al-Mahdi, descent of Isa Ibn Mariam (a.s.) and so on.
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..Prophecies regarding Qiyamah, Al-Mahdi and so called descent are all Methphorically mentioned, untill u understand the point you will not see the indication or signs as well!!, u forgot to mentioned Dajjal in these Prophecies, do u belief that Isa (as) will fight with sword in modern times, so r u waiting for a time where people will start fighting with sword..what indications r u looking for ?
phippi46 4 years ago
U see bruv,im asking u a question but den as Qadianis always do - u guys straight away jump to Hadhrat Isa (a.s.); 4ur information, only Mr. Mirza Tahir believd dat Muslims believ dat Isa (a.s.) wil break each cross physicaly and wil have some sort of sword - but obviously Tahir Sahib had neva met any Muslim scholar in his life, had neva debated with one or had bothered to read about Muslims' belief so I don't blame u 4thinkig lik ur 4th 'Hazoor'.
h4tabs 4 years ago
Ahadeeth & prophecies r clear about Isa's (a.s.) 2nd coming - howeva, wots also clear is dat Masjid Aqsa is NOT in Qadian and verse one of Sura Al-Asra is NOT about Qadian, Ma'zootain is DOES NOT have any prediction abut Isa's (a.s.) 2nd coming and certainly there's nothing about Isa's (a.s.) 2nd coming in Sura Al-Fatiha; but I wish Mirza Sahib had told us wot Koranic/Sunnah evidence he has for claiming all of de above?
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..I dont think that Ahadeeth & Prophecis r clear about Isa's (as) 2nd coming. u think that word "Nazul" mean Physical descend then check this word in Quran & u'll find that all kind of things are attached with these words and all of these things were not droped from Heaven!! & regarding Surah Al-Fatiah ?? whats reference is there about Isa (as) 2nd comming.
phippi46 4 years ago
What kind of crazy talk is this phippi? In Al-Fatihah there is no mention of Mirza and there is no mention of Mirza ANYWHERE in the Qur'an.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal.. when did i say about Mirza Sahab in Al-Fatiah ?? I am refering to h4tabs comments, I want to know what he meant with that ??
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi - my apologies, I misunderstood. Thanks for correcting me on that point.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@phippi46 please please please, facts is what we are talking about, Gramatical error is not a personal statement, its a fact, so lern to accept the facts. it only gets as complicated as that, which part of that do u not understand tht you have to lie back on ur false god as Allah surely didnt sent MGA so logicaly you are borowing the name Allah from Arabic, who is ur god?
imvoiceless 4 years ago
@imvoiceless..There is only One God, u dont belief that, then i am sorry 4 u, Mirza Sahab did'nt claimed anything from Himself, if he had done this, the the Promise of Allah is clear 4 opening ur eyes.. Allah said "وَلَوْ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيْنَا بَعْضَ الْأَقَاوِيلِ
phippi46 4 years ago
imvoiceless.. 69:44-46 said "And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand,And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:" here MGA is directly claiming that He was a Non-Law Bearing Nabi !!
phippi46 4 years ago
God is not referring to ordinary charlatans or madmen like Mirza, He is referring to Rasulullah (saw), the greatest man to have walked te earth.
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@shahidkamal.. God is refering in words "And if the apostle were to invent...." really He meant all of them and not only the Holy Prophet (PBUH)!!.. you can do better, just try.
phippi46 4 years ago
You don't know Arabic, you don't know Islam, you only know the darkness of the man-made Mirzaiyyat. Even if your contrived conjecture and blasphemy were true, Mirza was not a prophet. This applies only to an apostle, not a charlatan!
shahidkamal 4 years ago
imvoiceless..Mirza Sahab clearly said the He was not sure about sequence and there are two others revelation in the same page. What he rememberd He wrote, no cuting and changing.
phippi46 4 years ago
He wrote down the confused satanic voices in his head. Great!
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@h4tabs..like I said if you already made ur mind, then there is no way that i can convice u, its dat simple. there are always two side of the things, u know there are many allegations against the Holy Prophets (PBUH) as well, and u can not answer all of these either, so does it make the Holy Prophet's (PBUH) claim Nauzbillah false !! NO.
phippi46 4 years ago
again phippi, this is really short-sighted. Using your logic, there is no difference between any common person and a prophet. Why aren't you convinced about Bahaullah then?
shahidkamal 4 years ago
@phippi46: as you said that "there are many allegations againts the Holy prophet as well" can you tell me that those allgations were right or Proved? No. but here many muslims brothers have proved the allegations againts Mirza Dajjal ahmed. A person is not guillte unless and untill you dont prove any crime againts him. lot of people have also allegations about God nauzubillah does it matter?. But all the allegations againts Mirza are proved 100%. So what do you think.. he is still a prophet.
awais123 4 years ago
@awais123..I can ask from ur own Idealogy, my belief is the allegation against Holy Prophets are wrong, but a large part of the world dont belief that!!, so If you say that allegation agains MGA was right 4 u, its ur openion, u can make anything, in ur world u can prove anything, for us all allegations against Him are false and proven wrong.
phippi46 4 years ago
If ther's no time-limit,den ther must b sum signs or indication dat suports such revelations of Mirza Sahib, this is wot Allah has alwys done - He has givn us knowledge of signs/indicatives dat wud tell us dat a certain pledge of Allah regardng a promised matter is being fulfild or going2 occur soon.
Remember,accordng to Mirza Sahib da millennium in whch he claimd Messiah-ship is da last millennium b4 its Qiayamh! So we dnt hav much time in hand!!!
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs..I read Mirza Sahab once mentioned a time period of 300 years for for Islam to become an accepted religion for Majority of the world Population. Regarding Prophecies, u have to understand that some revelations are mentioned metaphorically, as Prophcies regarding Dajjal by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) were mentioned Metaphorically. Not always you take them literally.
phippi46 4 years ago
1: Wher can i find his prediction of 300 years pliz? I wil get back to u on this once I have read this, but pliz give me the refrence.
2: is acceptance of Islam connected to the removal of Hinduism? How wud accpetance of Islam lead to the fulfilment of da so-calld revelation abut Hinduism?
3: Dajjal is a big topic; Insha'Allah it will be raised in the future but I hope everyone wud keep the discussion mature and polite.
h4tabs 4 years ago
@h4tabs.. the reference. check it on alisladotorg/books and Roohani Khazain vol.20 book name "Tadhkirat-ush-Shahadatain" page 67
phippi46 4 years ago