Egypt promises shanty town review - 08 Sep 08

[shach551]

egyptians stop to build pyramids after Islam, because Islam came to stop slavery. those amazing pyramid and this civilization were built by slaves.

Islam has given rights to woman as many to men. But the culture has deviated from what islam has teached us.

[pentogram23]

@shach551 gg

[pentogram23]

@shach551 you should study more..it was paid Egyptians who help build the pyramids not slaves..they were paid in Beer ,wheat and rice.......their homes were found near the sites of the pyramids they were building..It has been proven...Dr. Hawas has more proof of this....and he is the TOP Egyptian figure on antiqites...sorry but you should study more.

[juergen4020]

fuck allah

[masrawy91]

what a loser... its funny, because this is what he does all day...

[oct1984]

some thing I never could really understand that why people in such life condition continue have children not 1 or 2 but more than they could support...it so destructive practice. This is not only Egypt have to face, you could see all arab state that there peoples have accepted the designed life style if one could call it that...is like the arab leaders have condition there citizens to accept the reality...arabs lack reasoning and tools ,skills to govern...arabs need to think and rethink!

[acr08807]

Thanks for that little blast of racism, oct1984.

[oct1984]

ouch!...don't you think Arabs and Africans need to delivers an educated family planning!.

man is real one who stand-on his tow feet and responsible for his action, it doesn't make you a man when have dozens babies{nonhuman} and go around asking for handout in support and aids from EU/USA.

is your government that's racist for the conditions that continues to produce hate and ignorant.

why Arabs when challenged use race-card to defend status of reality that exists?...agonised Arab!

[acr08807]

I think the world needs fewer racist assholes like you who say stupid shit like "arabs lack reasoning and tools ,skills to govern."

My government is run by a guy named Barack Obama, so I don't think it's racist.

[yvonne5919]

you are right wat you said .they also forgett every mouth has to feed maby is time that they thinking for bitrhcontroll ??

[Fiacolata]

Europian are smart.If we know that we don't have enough money to give the money and great and happy life to children so we have 2 or just one.Nothing against egyptian people but it's logical !

[heatdeb]

Am surprised that Israel didnt get the blame.

[ommustafa]

No they blame the USA

[heatdeb]

Are the egyptians still maintaining they build't the pyramids?

[ommustafa]

the Egyption build the pyramids before the Islamic invasion that killed civilization

[mrshutter77]

Well, OK so maybe becuase of a more Fundamentalist right wing version of Islam, Egyot int he long run turn out ot be worst off, but how do you know if the Egyptian religion have it´s own fundamentalist brands that may have amde Islam appealingto many people because of it, egalitarian teachings. Im not saying in Muslim societies this is practiced, but Islam teaches egalitarianism.

[mrshutter77]

Saying that it´s thier fualt that they have children they should not be having children, is not different than seeing a video about an overwieght man in the US who is sturggling to get the care he needs and doesn´t have the money, and you guys saying well, it´s his fault, he shoudn´t be overwight int he first palce he gothimself into this mess. Without having any idea that the system in the US is designed to make people FAT, and chronicly ill, ot that money can be made off their illness later!

[rochha]

this is really sad, Muslims have to stop breeding like cockroaches

[mrshutter77]

Your too affraid of population growth that will amke you even a smaller minotrity on the globe.

[Gringoman911]

I don't give a shit if white people get absorbed my girl friend is a Algonquin Indian and one of my cousins is a mulatto, What I do care about is divisive pugnacious groups stirring up trouble causing inter cultural clashes.

[rochha]

no just afraid of people that breed like rabbits when they cannot grow enough food to support themselves, Egypt used to be the breadbasket of Africa, now they can't even feed themselves

[mrshutter77]

Has it ever occured to you that maybe for these people kids are a source of Help, don´t forget many children in these countries start working at an early age and helpt heir families. And have you ever asked youself why Egypt doesn´t produce bread like ti use to anyone, did you ever look into thier trade agreements, their obligation with US runned institutions like IMF & World Bank to findout why.

[Khadijah4peace]

The problem UMMustafa is not islam, its egyptian culture that is the problem,

[ommustafa]

what the hell are you talking about do you live in this world If you are talking about stopping imigration I perfectly agree with you .My husband is white and my children are perfect.

[ommustafa]

This replay was for jimmyster28

[ommustafa]

Listen up every one the problem is the Islamic culture .People want boyes and more boyes They will have children even if they can't feed them and cry America is not giving us food let us kill American when you guys learn to feed yourself then talk.I'm an Egyption who lived in there for 30 years and worked in these area for 7 years .

[Khadijah4peace]

Actually Islam teaches that god gives girls to whom he will and and boys to whom he will and leaves barren whom he will, in Islam boys are no better than girls the problem is the culture egyptian not Islamic.

[ommustafa]

Sorry to disapoint you Islam teaching is that made the Egyption sociaty . you think Islam is great but this is because you never been to an Islamic country .if you are a women you are denied every thing even your clitoris yes 98% of women are circumcised in Egypt . have you seen public excution and Hand cutting in Saudi .This is the real Islam baby . A women has to have 4 men not women witness in order to convict a man who rapped her .A women inhert half of what a man inherete .

[mrshutter77]

No, it must be foru witnesses period. Women inheret half of what a man inherets, are you sure? if that is the case perhaps it´s becuase he the burden of responsibility to manage this stuff restmore with him than the women. But I´m not sure if that is eactly the case, I see lots of muslim girlies inhereting what their parents leave behind for them. And as for circumcisiton, I disgree on circumsition with both sexes. man or women,

[Gringoman911]

Circumcision was a tribal initiation ritual,Some groups will mark themselves with tattoos and others will chop the end of their cocks off. The Egyptians and I mean the ancient ones , They imported customs from Saharan africa and they spread it across the holy land.

[ommustafa]

mrshutter I 'm sorry to disapoint you 4 men I repeat men have witness a rape to get convection ,Any moslem who knows Islam will correct your information. why women don't drive in saudi why women can;t get adivorce from an abusive husband because he is the only one to have that right ,He can divorce her any time he wants .If awoman don't want to live with her husband the islamic sharia would force her to live with him under same roof by force it is called Bet el taa means obidient house

[MrsJabari]

You are IGNORANT! The trash you are spouting is just that trash and lies. I am a woman and I have MORE rights as a woman in Islam that as a Christian living in the USA. Islam is the FASTEST growing religion in the world! Almost 500 people convert to Islam every single day in the USA alone! Most of those converts are college educated WOMEN. Grow up, educate yourself.

[ommustafa]

Oh realy you guys are below animals when it comes to thinking .Why won't you just try to go to an Islamic country and live there .there is no moderate Muslim if you are a moderate muslim you are not a muslim .Did you read the quran in arabic did you enjoy the violent and the barbaric versions ?Have you seen any hand cutting and public killing oin saudi why Islamic country can't even feed them self .I hope you are ok with your husband having another wife or molast 6 years old like your big guy

[MrsJabari]

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! Ugh you are an idiot. Seeing as every single lie you just spouting is known to be a lie by every single academic of Islam and every single crediable historian why is it you still atempt to spead them. Grow up and educate yourself. Islam is about peace and submission to Allah swt. Prophet Mohammad NEVER molested anyone, he MARRIED Ayshia she was his WIFE, and ONLY AFTER she came into maturity and could have children.

[mrshutter77]

Well, know the knowledge exists for us to choose which sex we want to have as children based on certain diet and excercise that can help us have boys or girls if we choose to. Lighter diet,--higher the probabily of a girl being born. Fiber, vegtables, the more potien and carbs--higher the posiibility of a boy being born.

[PauloGVieira]

LOL, its funny how the American nouveau riche think they're in a position to look down on others.

[amerenio]

Every race has its trash. The most beautiful people are of mixed racial backround.

[Gringoman911]

You cant be "popping out babies" if you have no plan or means to provide for them. Urbanized communities should have less children then rural agrarian ones, A farmer needs farm hands.

Urban birthrate should be 1.5 ,Rural 3.5.

[PauloGVieira]

Egypt does not have a social security system - the need for a large family is also a practical concern as it ensures the parents will be looked after in their old age.

[ommustafa]

I perfectely agree with you I 'm an egyption and I'm so tired of poverty and no birth control

[Gringoman911]

Birth control and planned parenthood could help control your out of whack birth rate, That causes the country to have more mouths then it can fill. overpopulation followed by ecological disaster is what caused the Rwanda genocide and Darfur of recent.

[PauloGVieira]

The answer is not "birth control" but development. You think its a coincidence that developing countries have a higher birth rate.

[IsaAbdulmali]

race mixing?... what the fuck is a race mixing... oh, so i am to see, their are so many racist swine on the earth you don't really get to hear from the human race "people of the earth make up the human race" so if someone say to me what race are you i say human... i can't believe those kind of fools still excist... nigger nazi, for history tells us western americans are the mother/father of the nigger, yes george washington was a nigger and formed a union of mongrels. na'aam inna.

[Gringoman911]

Racism is the invention of inbred loons,Its is a control mechanism for tyrants and demagogues.

[Hogo69]

Jesus, its just like the days of the pharoah's and slaves building pyramids :(.

[MasterMark123]

where have you been Hogo69 ?? It's pretty much known now that slaves were not used to build any pyramids. It was an honor to build and paid well. Here is yet more proof that things we are told all our lives to be truth is often later changed. How do we know what is or is not true these days ... much like the events on 9/11

[clg26]

If the people are willing and capable of working, and the government and it's shoe shined politicians continue to live off the hog, then the people should overrun the government regardless if they die or live.

[ig7157]

75% of people estimated to live in towns like this in the future! That is unimaginable.

[mrshutter77]

Too many times when I lived in the States I use to hear white people give bones about Mexicans being stupidbecuase they have big fmailies, and Europeans always looking down on non-europeans for having familesi wiht lots of kids. Well, as much you judge them, they got reason to judge youa nd your lifestyles for what they see as flaws in your societies. But you they that is their judgement while we are observing facts, big families= backwardsness. No NO no, it works both ways.

[mrshutter77]

The reason why the Czech guy is under no circumstance to judge them by how large or small their fmaily is is becuase that is their business, besides being porr but in stable family is better than being poor but in a broken family handdown. In that sense I htink the ghetthos in Egypt people are better off then the Ghettos here. I was making an arguement becuase Western people always tend to judge people from other places based on their standards and norms.

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: ah, we agree on that 100% then. I'm fairly non.judgemental myself and I don't think it's correct to judge others based in one's owns standards. That said, there's no reason for you to call people names and behave aggressively in public, it makes you look like a crazy (I'm not saying you are). Peace

[mrshutter77]

Sometimes yyou just have to exaggerate like those god darm lawers do to make a point, becuase if you laugh at other people, they have thier own reasons for laughing at you. If instance, the only way to explain to someone that Al-Qiada is not what it's whipped to be, you have to say the THERE IS NO AL-QAIDA just to wake the guy up who just dosedoff to sleep, and finish the sentence with THEY WAY YOU'VE BEEN TOLD THERE IS.

[mrshutter77]

Don´t forget why do they have en economic system in which as the housing advocte is projecting 75% of the population will be living in Shanty towns regardless of how mnay children famalies have? Why bring a child in to a borken home, why bring a child in to a unfit lifestyle, single mom, single dad, gay lesbianws, whom arenot meant for rasing children in the first place.

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: I'm amazed at how somebody's mind could be filled with so much prejudice as yours. It's sad...you see, homosexual people come in all sorts of styles and the same right you give to heterosexual married couples to do whatever it is they want with their children's lives, you should give too to gays or sinlge parents. You know, many people out there (including myself) would think it's better for a single mom to raise children than for her to withstand abuse from her husband.

[mrshutter77]

Sorry, Children needs a mother and father, not two mother and two fathers, divorce under physical abuse circumstances is acceptable, but still, a stable hetrosexual houshold is the household a child should be raised in. With the help of extended family, including grandparents, uncles, and aunts.--they of course playing the supporting role. BUt single mother families are becomign the norm in western societies for some of the most stupid reasons.Couples will have dificult times all the time.

[MasterMark123]

What a horrible place to eek out a life ! Suffocated by prehistoric religious beliefs, starving, homeless, sick. No free press, no free speech, homophobic, anti woman.. AHHHHHhhhhh Egypt !!! The Garden spot of the middle east !!

[PauloGVieira]

You pathetic piece of shit, how many billions of dollars of YOUR tax money did YOUR government pay to maintain this status quo! Fuck off, you have no moral standing to judge!

The people of Egypt have been protesting for decades for greater liberalisation and democracy and your fucking country has stifled it at every turn.

[ommustafa]

I think you don't know what you are talking about I worked in these areas in egypt .people can have 9 or 10 kids and leave them on the street them blame every one .I 'm sorry but I don't thing you know the whole picture .

[ikran2007]

may allah help my brother and sister in egypt.the regimes know this problem has been their for years but stay quite and wach as the problem get bigger.

[SurferRosa79]

ikran2007: given that allah's will (or any god for the matter) can't be known by us, it's rather inane for muslims to wish allah to help others. I'd rather like to see the extremely rich muslims, specially those who live in the arabian peninsula helping their brothers in the slums of the Middle East.

[mrshutter77]

Excellent, right on! With or with out the west or with or withouthte United States, Muslims must take matters in to their own hands. This was the conclusion that was reached when Al-Jazeera had adebate on world poverty, and the final conclusion was southern and eastern countries must take control of thier natural rescources and adopt some socialistic type models of reforms to reduce poverty in their own countries, with or with out western or US help.

[SCRUB50187]

right on!

[ikran2007]

most the rich class in arabian peninsula don't gave care about the poor because their money goes to investine companys in west well most arab muslim remine poor.that why ask allah to help them because i gave up on the rich arabs

[egyptianwzw]

it has nothing to do with allah or anything stupid , those people are gypsies in egypt who refuse to move into better cities because in those areas they trade in drugs and prostitution , even in europe itself countries like hungary have 15% of their population live in that way simply because they are gypsies. 

gypsies are primitive people who do not accept to move forward

[Fiacolata]

Why they have four children if they know that they have poor life?!!!

[mrshutter77]

That is none of your business and you have no right to judge them like an Asshole, you must a European fuck who think your so sophisticated for hating babies!

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: I agree, the couple portrayed in the video has a right to reproduce as they see fit. That said, if the couple makes a choice to have more children than they can properly feed or house then they knew in advance their livelyhood would be compromised. Why are they complaining about a situation they themselves helped create? I'm not sure Fiacolata is judging them (and if so then it's not unproperly), and I think it's a worst example of judgement how you call him/her an asshole.

[mrshutter77]

Well, like the video explains, I don´t most ofthe people living in these shanty towns had counted on remaining there forthe rest of their lives, but the economic system in their country forced them to live under these circustances, and obviusly between feeding his children or saving to buy a flat, the father preffers to feed his children. And the Gov´t after ingnoring the problem for so long, isnow sayign to large to solve. Bastards!

[PauloGVieira]

"A European fuck" - let's not forget where your ancestors came from.

[mrshutter77]

Actaully me ancestors come from south west asia, and further back Africa, not the caves of Europe. You ancestor go back to africa too!

[PauloGVieira]

Idiot, dont purport to know my family tree.

[mrshutter77]

To deny that Humanity as a whole comes from Africa, is to deny yourself.

[mrshutter77]

At least they knwo who to maintian a family under the most extreme circustances, you European fuck can´t even manage to have you marraiges een last 3 year under poshy luxuries conditions! You Socialist Aethist secular pig!

[AtheistMinistry]

I think the point is valid. Why bring a child into a life of poverty?

[mrshutter77]

It´s not their fault they are living in hsanty towns, are the Housing advocate himself sadi it, the gov´ts irresposibilty is what is causing it, Secondly, i think bring a child into poverty but a stable fmaily is better than bring a child into a wealthy but unstable and damanding environment, like broken hoomes, signle mom homes or gay and lesbian homes which you crack pot aethists in the west love so much, and you judge triditional nuclar families like assholes.

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: It's a fact that families which live below the poverty line tend to be far more unstable. I disagree on atheists being crackpots. I disagree on gay families not being fit to raise children; in fact, I know examples of the opposite to be true.

It seems interesting to me that you blame this problem on the government solely when it could be in part solved by the couple chosing not to have more than the amount of children they can properly feed.

[mrshutter77]

NO that is not true, there have been many families that are poor but succeeded in beating the odds and rasing families, why because they remain together. Aethists, are crockpots, I´d love to see them hang on to their convictions in war zones. Gay families are not fit to raise children, niether are broken families, and niether are single parent famalies, irregardless of their socio-economic status.

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: That's not a logical argument. I said, poor families tend to be more unstable, you say "many" poor families suceed, but that doesn't contradict my argument. I'll say, still, poor families tend to be more unstable, look at government figures in any country, poor families are more likely to have members with addictions, troubles with the law, abusive parents etc.

Who says liberal western couples can't have a succesful marriage? again, it's just prejudice on your part.

[mrshutter77]

Yes, the poor famileis that do succeed are poor families that are stable and stay together over come the odds. The poor ones who have addiction troubles are the ones with single moms, single dads, step moms and step dads, and having children off of various partners. Well just look at the statistics in your countries, marraige is fronwed upon and divorce is the ways of life.--Trouble with crime, Egypt´s crime rates don´t come close to the crime rates that eixst here in latin america.

[mrshutter77]

I woudl love to see you hang on to your Aethist convictions in a war zone, or in an earthqueake or a huirricane, or where you are baout to face death. I´d love to see you hang on to your aethism.

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: you'd love to see atheists go through deathly catastrophes? wow...your religion surely must be a religion of love and tolerance.

[PauloGVieira]

Why bring children into such a crazy chaotic world period? You think you're in a position to judge parents and their ability to provide a loving environment?

[SurferRosa79]

mrshutter77: It's evident that this family in particular isn't able to maintain itself under extreme circumstances. It says in the video itself there was a fire in their room caused by faulty infrastructure and the man says he isn't able to move his family from the place although he wants to.

Also, using hate speech denotes immaturity and lack of intellect on your part.

[mrshutter77]

Really they can´t maintian themselves, then why is it that they are still together, why are they not divorced? They are maintaining themselves. It´s a battle but they are maintinaing themselves, while liberal western couples can´t even have a marriage together even in the most luxirious circustances. And hate speech, you the one using hate speech with your Asshole like judgements.

[PauloGVieira]

Clearly you have an inferiority complex against Europeans so are trying to cover it up by lashing out. Obviously your problem is not with Europe but with yourself, you have some terrible baggage to deal with.

[mrshutter77]

NO the problem is not with me, but with you Europeans who think your so sophiciticated, and advanced, with you socially liberal, aethist thinking, and suprior over the rest, and judgening everyone by your standards. I have noticed you ugy seem to have a hate with people who have large families. If they are more than 2 children in family, many of you down talk them. I was exaggerating to make a point that folks on the other side have their reason to look down on you guys too!

[ommustafa]

Did you live there I was born there and worked with these people for more than 7 years .I know what I 'm talking about you Mrshutter are the perfect example of guys .let me tell you it is helpless hopless situation because of Islam guys please stop trying to talk sense to these narrow minded people .Islamic people are below animals when it comes to using their brain .Does any one here speak Arabic and actually read the Quran I think the answer is no so shut up .

[mrshutter77]

I think your the one who doesn´t know what your talking about, I have read the quran from end to end, and as far as you go, there is nothing on your profile to indicate you where born in Egypt and lived and worked in the shanty towns for 7 years. So please strop lying! I think your too all cuaght up in you feminist convictions that you can´t see the truth. Just like your Islamisits coutner parts who are too caught up with their own convictions, they can´t see the truth.

[ommustafa]

Hey I lived in two of these shanty places .I imigrated here 15 years ago I have seen the true face of Islam I read the quran and the hadith I 'm not a femminist .The women inherit half this is the rule go and read the Islamic laws Have you seen any hand cutting in Saudi arabia ,why women can't drive in Saudi? I have witnessed female circumcition and Mohamed ordered the midwifes to do it .Baby I have seen every thing .

[silents08]

who's mohamed??

[MrsJabari]

Mohammad pbuh is the final prophet that God. If you have any knowledge of the history of the Jews of Christians you also know about Islam. Muslims believe that all of the prophets from Adam on down were all Muslims and that after Jesus (who we believe is a prophet) came Mohammad pbuh who basically wraped up the message for us on how to live our lives. As a man of colour you may find it interesting that many parts of Africa are Muslim and Islam gives equality to all races and forbids racism.

[ommustafa]

The same old bullshit that Moslem always try to pull Aisha was 6years old when she was engaged to mohamed he consumed the marriage when she was 9 he molasted her inbetween why don;t you answer why women don't drive in saudi ? do they cut people 's hands in Saudi Mohamed 's home? how many people did Mohamed kill by his own hand?why did he have 99 wife why women inherit half share why women can't get divorce by them self why the quran told men to beat the shit out of women if they don't behave

[MrsJabari]

Ommustafa, your a liar, flat out no good liar. Anyone with half a brain knows the truth about Islam. Stop being a parrot for the zionists. Every single thing you have said is a lie. Hell is hot, I hope you are ready for it because if you don't repent your going to be there.

[ommustafa]

now you ran out of every thing logic so you try to scare me of hell like your mohamud just answer one of my questions why women don't drive in Saudi how many people did mohamed kill by his hand why you don't allow bibles in Saudi airport why does iran hang homosexual ? isn't it true you cut hands as a punishment ? isn't it true that any moslem who leave islam has to be killed ? how many women did mohumed have sex with.?

[ommustafa]

Sorry Jabari I can't waste my time on you You have a big watermelon instead of brains Do you have a nekab or hejab I have seen women who cover all their body except one eye and others cover their eyes with a thinner fabric so they can bearly see .Hope you are all coverd up and cozy and please don't forget that other men can't hear you voice as it is the same like showing your vagina in Muhamed 's teaching last thing didn;t mohamed said that women Lack brains and religion so why bother thinking

[ommustafa]

Jabari bye but last thing why did mohamed hate dogs ? what is it about their noses that is related to satan as he said .and which hand did he tell you to eat with and don't forget to fold you cloth as satan can live in them this is in the sina .

[mrshutter77]

SELL OUT SELL OUT SELL OUT!

[silents08]

i know who mohamed is, i was just wondering if you was talking about the prophet or another mohamed

[PauloGVieira]

"Everyone by your standards" - So the standards of democracy and human rights are not universal but only for Europeans. Everyone else can suffer from poverty and ineffective government.

Grow up old lady.

[MasterMark123]

ignore mrshutter77.. this person is simply a crude, potty mouthed , windbag , hater who just enjoys the sound of her own voice( MrsHater77) Seems every nut with turrets syndrome is on YouTube calling everyone else some foul language. let it just rool off and consider the source. They are mentally sick and you cant hate them back.

[SurferRosa79]

MasterMark123: thanks for the advice, I just wanted to make my point and spend some time (procastinanting on my studies lol).

[sarjuva]

@ Fiacolata:

Wishful thinking, "it's going to be better in the future, if we just survive the hardships".

[SurferRosa79]

sarjuva & Fiacolata: agreed, I saw an in the news a few days ago an egyptian poor couple who had already two girls take medicine to have multiple pregnancies because they wanted a boy. The result, seven more babies; their answer to how they were going to care for them properly, "Allah's will".

[mrshutter77]

This is complete lack of education on part of the government to educate couple about what they can do if they want a boy or a girl, it takes a certain diet and certain excercises if you want a boy or a girl. That's the problem with the curropt gov't of egypt and the economic system that exists today.