OMG! I am so sick and tired of people blaming all of Serena William's losses on injury. It is getting so old and pathetic now. MOST of the time Serena fakes her injuries so she doesn't have to take her game too seriously or uses it too boycott on smaller events. You can't blame everything on injury for god's sakes. Henin won those matches fair and square, deal with it.
I agree, I certainly wouldn't follow the WTA if it weren't for the Williams sisters. MAYBE for Clijsters, just MAYBE. The first match I ever saw was one of Venus's in the 2007 Wimbledon, and ever since then I've been a tennis fanatic. They make me proud to be an American, as Tennis is yet another sport that we dominate.
"A player should be at her very best every single time she plays a game", U understand that right? like u ur self agreed in the last 15 seconds that justine will definitely beat serena in those situations, By the way we are not at all qualified in anyway to declare serena or henin is the best. Try to digest that. I am waiting for the 2010 AO final. 8 more hrs to go. We'll see what happens, just enjoy the game, have fun.
After Serena took the beat-down from Justine Henin at the US open, she came off like a spoiled immature brat, refusing to take any responsibility for that loss nor giving any credit to Justine for that win. Serena is a classless poor sport, period. Serena, Please leave our tour. Nobody likes you and no one wants to watch you play tennis.
Ok. I am white, and I am on Serena's side, so no one can say I am racist.
Let's look at facts:
1. Serena has a winning record over Justine, even with those 3 consecutive wins. So even though Justine was "better" than Serena that year, Serena still had so many victories over her previously.
2. Even before Justine retired, Serena had more majors and had won all four of them. There is no argument there.
haha you are crazy look man they are both good players the only differnce is that Justin Henin has more variation in her game and she is also more sportive than serena because if she lose a game she always blames it on INJURIES and this a Fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think serena is a powerful person and maybe she deserve to win but justine isa only 5'5 and its really hard for a tennis player to win things at such hieght
even though she defeated william sisters so many times
so it surely does prove that justine was the best
Oh shut up dimwit! You act as if Justine beat a prime Serena, you dicks fail to realize that Serena of 07 was unfit and not playing at her best! Anyone with knowledge of the game knows Serena at her best is just about unbeatable!
@jenyapur And what records does Justine have that are superior to Serena's? Justine used to have more weeks at #1(117) but as of tomorrow Serena will pass that, with exactly 118. Henin won 7 Slams - Rena won 13. Henin made 4 consecutive Slam finals, winning 1 of them. Rena made 4 consecutive slam finals, winning all four of them. Rena completed the career grand slam(All 4 GS's at least once.) Juju still hasn't won a Wimbledon.
@cristalfur Not to mention SIX of Serena's slams came with Capriati, an in-form Davenport, Venus when she was actually a good player, and Hingis on tour. When did Henin's come? When Serena was fat and out of shape, Venus could not(And still can not) for the life of her keep a ball in play, and all the other decent players are retired. Other than that, a bunch of generic Eastern Europeans for Justine to smack around. She thought things would go the same in 2010, but Rena had other plans...
ok lets get this str8, if you look at the stats of all three players because you said the william sisters venus actually has a winning record againts justine henin and second, serena do as well. justine henin do not have or has (past ) she doesnt play anymore" they ran her ass out of tennis. so let me say how many grand slam not only slams how many tournaments do henin have and how many do venus or serena have you do the math so that being said henin is not the best
@jenyapur I know this is an old comment, but I should point out that Serena is only 4 inches taller than her, if that. Also, height does NOT = talent. Venus is 6'2 and hasn't won a slam in over 2 years. Maria is 6'3 and a total scrub. And Justine has not beaten the Williamses "so many times." Serena beats Juju 8-6, and Vee dominates Henin head to head(7-2) Justine is just opportunistic enough to take advantage when the WIlliams sisters are playing shitty tennis. Where was Justine in 2002, again?
@cristalfur well i think you are gettings many things wrong
the first is venus is 6'1 and second is that maria is 6'2 and she plays fantastic at her best.it is very important to have height .i play tennis and i'm only 5'5
you have no idea how difficult it is to serve for mebut my sister is 5'9 and she doesn't have to struggle to serve
she wins most of the times even though i play better than her.she herself says this.
and 4inches do make very muchdifference for a tennis player.
@jenyapur Alright, I was an inch off. That changes my point how? I definitely have an idea of what you must be dealing with in regards to your serve - I'm 5'6 and I have a pretty good decent as amateurs go. Hell, Justine's serve is about as good as any woman on tour not named S.Williams or Stosur. Height is nowhere near as big a factor on the woman's side as you think it is - Look at the shitty serve of 5'10 Dementieva. The fact that Justine won 7 slams and Maria only 3 just disproves your point
You morons have issues and need to seek immediate psychiatric assistance for your ignorance! Why are they brothers because they're black? Have so seen those hideous white she males like Mauresmo and Safina, or are you just blind to the fact that The Williams sisters look more femine then half the women on the tour? You clowns are unbelieveable and the fact that you think Justine looks more feminine then Serena proves you're delusional
cold as ice to often lol serena has won 11 singles titles and 9 doubles titles and thats just the majors.
and as for venus 14 and considered to be one of the best grass court players so cold as ice lol
and as for you saying brothers that is an idiotic comment post a pic on here and i bet you the feedback you get would make you recant that statement idiot
Also, I'm willing to dispute your claim that "Serena is clearly the better all around player." Justine was a far better all around player, but at 5'5'' it's not easy to beat a great one-dimensional power player like Serena.
You can say that Serena is a better all around I agree. As a tennis player it what you bring to the each match. Serena could of won more matches against many match when she was injured and not. Also it all in the mind. It's all a mental game. The matches that top player could have won was that they loss their mental strengthen. I love Serena alot. Serena or Venus is the one to win the tourament but other can win against them in any field because it what you bring to every match.
2. what's the point of arguing over this now that now one them has retired
3. the very fact that you made a video to declare your somewhat pathetic opinion not only will not diminish either player's accomplishment but it also shows your even more pathetic intention to emphasize Serena's greatness by belittling others. Seriously, get a life!
Though I'm a fan of Justine's, I appreciate very much what the Williams brought into Women's tennis.
1. you're too much fixed on slams, and you don't even consider the number of finals! Henin won 42 ATP titles, whereas Serena 'only' won 34. you can't call Serena better purely based on GS records (e.g.: it's easy for Serena to add some more, without Henin/Clijsters/Davenport/Capriati etc on court)
2. i countered all your statements, you only DENIED or IGNORED mine.
3. i could admit Henin had troubles playing VENUS for that matter. but we all know both S and H are better players.
Venus is only good on grass and always choke in the later rounds of the other slams so fuck her.
She is 7-2 against Henin tho.And,yes....I still feel Serena would have won 3 of the 4 slams whether Davenport,Clijsters Henin or Capriati was playing or not believe me
Why do I think this?
Because she OWNED all of them in 02 03 and they couldnt stop Venus from stacking up slams in 00 and 01.
And the sisters came back unfit in 05 and 07 and won slams while those girls were playing so
Thank you for being honest here about Henin's size. She had to play tremendous tennis to make up for that disadvantage. I doubt any of the other top players would have succeeded without their great height and strength the way she did.
My 2 cents: Serena was always going to be the favorite on a fast court, this is undeniable. Who is the better tennis player though? It depends on how you define greatness I suppose.
How well would you play if your sister was murdered and parents split up?
Not just Serena, but Venus, they both had a LOT of trouble during that time ('03-'06).
They only recovered fully around end of 2007.
And then Henin started to fade away.
-But... Henin is brilliant. And for her size, she just may be the better player. Just don't call Serena "1-D" because her shots are absolutely clinical... especially that backhand of hers. Phew.
Well, I think it's quite a coincidence that they recovered only just as Henin was ending her career. And as far as personal lives go... who had it worse? ...mom died of cancer when she was 12...no contact with her family... virus that kept her in bed 14 hours a day...divorce..
and sorry but i don't see a while lot of dimensions besides power power power
Serena also only won once a year accept in 02 03 and 09. Henin did so in 03 and 07 (one year less) and considering the fact she won 3 out of 4 Slam titles from RG 2003 to AO 2004, we can say it's just a pity New Year was in between... (get the picture?)
then again, in 2006 Henin reached ALL 4 GS finals (of which she only won 1) and won the Masters. she lost the AO and Wimbledon finals against Mauresmo, but we both know Henin would have won those matches 9 out of 10 times!
You're wrong...I can admit that Hingis was a lil better than Venus in my opinion...so was Evert.
So no,its not racial but since you brought that up it leads me to belive that you have some racil undertones in your bias opinion.
Serena is better because she just is.You clowns think Henin is better because she beat Serena 3 times when Serena was fat as a cow? How stupid.Grow a brain...you clowns are clueless
Fact 2.Henin only beat Serena on Clay where she was the better clay court player,and on Grass Wimbledon 07,Serena was clearly injured,French 07 Like I said Serena was never good on Clay.And Usopen 07,Serena still fat as a cow and clearly not playing like she is now and in 02 03
Lastly Serena has 10 slams and won 3 of the last 4.Why wasn't Henin able to win as frequent? She only won once a year accept in 03 07
hey listen, you're well informed in terms of records, so all you said ain't untrue, but i am too, so be aware of that.
let me give a little reply to your 'facts':
1. how can you be so sure? even Clijsters did in the Masters final 2002, so why wouldn't Henin be able to do so? i don't think Serena would ever beat Henin at HER best!
2. again, Serena was 3 times claiming to be fit and ready to compete in 2007!
You should have labeled Fact 1 as Opinion 1 because that's what it is.
Just like someone else could have the opinion that Serena never beat Justine at her best. How are you going to disprove that? You can't, because it's an opinion.
And remember Serena was down 06 in the first set against Justine in the 2007 Sony Ericson?? And she fought her way back to win the title..and Justine looked great in that match initially,and Serena came back to win....just goes to show you that when Serena wants it BAD and is playing well....she's unbeateable but I have to admit that Justione did,later in her career played great consistantly...Serena played great consistently earlier in her career
its hard to argue with someone who is fixated on believing that all commentators are racist or bias. pulling the race card isnt valid when you have no idea who these commentators really are as people. in 2006, justine WAS injured in the final of australian open. so that doesnt count. and i agree that justine should never lose to mauresmo. justine does everything better than her. you can kind of compare justine's trouble at wimbledon to serenas trouble at the french.
and when you play against a player like sharapova, who goes for broke on every shot, you can run into a player on a hot streak. in that match sharapova wasnt missing. and her flat shots just powered through the court. look at the 2004 wimbledon final, sharapova went for absolute broke against serena and just got lucky. almost any other day maria would have missed those shots and serena would have won. lets not look at 2006. rather, lets look at justine's 2007 and serena's 2002, their best years
See how you justify Justine losts but you say Serena lost in 2007 to Justine was purely Justine outplaying her...cmon dude..be real..you know and I know Serena was not there in 07...and lets not even count 07Wimb because she was clearly injured and still gave Justine a run.And thats my point..Justine is a great player and if you notice Serena has always come out on top when Serena was fit and in shape.
If you truly believe that USopen 07 and French open 07 was the best of Serena or even Serena playing 50%..you're insane...i have np with Justine because shes white...im just not going to give her credit for beating Serena when she played like shyt and looked like a fat pig...she was just getting back into form for crying out loud...and 2006 wasnt JH at her best? Dude,she made it to 4 straight slam finals...and went 1-3 when serena made it to 4 straight in 2002,she went 4-0..JH only good on CLAY
whats really intesting though is that serena's last four or five grand slam wins have come when justine was not playing the tournament. say what you want but that means something. venus and justine are the only people that can truly trouble serena when shes at her best. serena IS physically the strongest girl on tour. no doubt. justine is only 5'6" which puts her at a severe disadvantage. serena at her best is her pounding the ball without hesitation and its hard to beat that.
since serena is soooo much bigger than justine, naturally serena can hit theball harder. so there is no point in justine getting into a power hitting battle with serena cuz serena will beat justine. they both have contrasting styles of play which made their rivalry the best on tour. justine is definitely better on clay. serena is definitely better on grass. hard court is pretty even but since it suits more of a power player than i would have to give the slight advantage to serena.
their both great champions and both have different aspects that make them champions. justine and serena were the best to watch and i wish soooo much they could play again.
and btw, 2006 was not a good year for justine even though she made it to 4 finals. aussie open doesnt count. and she played like shit against mauresmo at wimbledon. 2007 was her best. she played three grand slams and won 2. she made it to the semis of wimbledon and only lost 4 matches that year. 2007 is her best for sure.
Well shes a quitter too me.Serena as u saw in her Wim07 4th round match against Hantuchova didnt quit when injured and I believe Serena would have beaten Mauresmo in both the 06Australian and Wimbledon injured or not
Well,thats what makes her good her strength....Serena cant help the fact that shes a hard hitter..thats like me say "Oh,the only reason Ali won so many belts is because he was a great fighter." Well duh,thats his strength..and Serenas ability to serve is what makes her great.Also,the same can be said for Justine,she won most of her titles when Serena was in a down fall Usopen03 Australian 04,French 05,06..and Serena won 4 straight titles when Justine was around in 02-03,whatchu talking bout
You say its interesting that Serena won her slams when Justine was out the game
But Justine stacked up alot of slams when the Williams was out and had an opportunity to do so in 06 when she choked in every final but the FRENCH...Serena won the 2002 French Wimb USO and AUS 03 and WIMB 03 all when Justine was playing
So please And she won the 05 AUS just like Justine won the 03USO 04AUS 05 French and 06French ALL OF WHICH Serena either didnt play in or was half fit and injured Your point
I don't feel like giving credit to Serena for her wins against Henin that were based solely on Justine choking, rather than Serena outplaying her. And there were A LOT of matches like that.
Cmon Theres no mystery that the commentators are bias when it comes to AAs...Just look at what the Williams have faced on the tour from the fans in Indian Wells n French Open.The list of racially related incidents go on and on...Even Barry Bonds they talked about him til no end and Michael Vick as well but let a white athlete get into a legal matter theres not much said about it...And so ITS OK TO BLAME Justine lost on injury but we cant blame Serena lost to JH on injuries
Serena will never lose to a player like Amelie Mauresmo in 2 ,hell not even 1 slam final and sharapova playing the way sharapoa did in that match...spare me!
do you know how often players play their best? almost never. read some player interviews. what made justine a great player was her overall consistency, something serena lacks. you keep saying that if serena were at her best then she would win. well did you ever think that justine didnt allow serena to play her best? justine's game was the foil in serena's. her all court game gave serena's one dimensional, high-risk game a lot of trouble. i like both women a lot. theyre both so talented
No..because Serena is the one who dictate her matches...when she lost to Henin...her movement was off,she made lots of errors,and she as you see wasn't fit..and yes,theres no denying that at Wimbledon she was injured.When she did beat Justine,her serve was going,she made little to no errors,and she was fit..notice...justine has never beaten Serena when she played her best...what I mean by at her best...is not playing the perfect match...but being fit,showing great movement,and awareness.
But the fact still remains...when Serena was on top of her game...no one,could beat her...im just stating the facts...im not trying to be bias...Although I do like Serenas game better...Im just saying that everytime...EVERYTIME,Serena lost to Justine she was not fit or playing well...in the 07 Frecnh she was horribly,which yes she does have a tendacy to be inconsistent,at the 07 Wimb she was injured badly,and in the US open her serve movement was terrible..she looked like a fat pig
How could we ignore this....it is what it is...and Justine admitted to it...when Serenas at her best no one is going to beat her...when has Justine beaten a fit Serena Williams...thats like me giving Larry Holmes credit for beating an old Muhammad Ali
the significant advantage serena has over justine is her physique. her natural raw power makes her soooo much stronger than justine. you have to admit its pretty incredible the way justine plays for her height. it MUST be noted that serena lost to justine more than any other player (besides Venus). there must be a reason why serena lost to justine so many times and not just because she wasnt at her best. credit has to be given to justine for giving serena so much trouble.
if you ask any tennis expert what serena's biggest flaw is they would say it's her footwork. justine knew how to exploit that sooooooo well. the different spins and speeds put serena off balance all the time. when you're off balance, then it is soooo much more likely that you will hit errors. justine knew how to play serena. however, serena knew how to beat justine: first strike tennis. their matches came down to who could execute the needed strategy better.
and thats just her backhand alone! talk about a bad match. i also think it had to do with justines head not being in the right place since she wanted to retire.
When serenas serve is working...Justine has no chance...and when she had less weight and could run balls down and hit angles...justne struggled because shes small and cant get to the other side of the court as fast as someone Venus and Sharapovas height...
Her foot work...exactly,she was a fat pig and couldnt get to the balls...in their earlier meetings when Serena was playing at her best,she was much quicker due to the less weight,its not that Justine could exploit anything...like i said,we have to remember this is a injured Serena who wasnt playing well and thats the most important thing.I refuse to give someone credit for winning against someone who was injured but couldnt beat them when they wasnt and at their best
if you ask any tennis expert what serena's weakness is they would say its her footwork. justine knew how to exploit this by using different spins and speeds. when you cant keep proper footwork then youre much more prone to hit errors. serena's strategy was first strike tennis. their matches came down to who could better execute their strategy on the day. oohhh and btw, the 2008 miami match was terrible. talk about hitting a lot of errors. justine hit 30 errors off her backhand side alone.
Fuck experts...their white like Justine so quite naturally theyre going to be bias...and lets not forget..Justne never dominated womens tennis like serena..when serena made it to 4 straight finals...02 French,Wimbledon,USO,and 03 AUSO...she won all four consecutive grand slam finals against a great player like Venus...but when justone made it to 4 consecutive slam finals in 06 AUSO,French,Wimbledon,and USO she only won once..and went 1-4..against lamos like Mauresmo and Sharapova
Serena loses to Justine came when Serena was playing poorly and injured...07 French Open,Serena was not there...07 Wimbledon,injured,07 USO Serena was clearly unfit and playing like shit in that match...so please...the record should be 9-3...you cant say injuries have nothing to do with losing...thats fucking retarded...if you have an ankle,bad cramp,or any other injury,especially your shoulder which affects your serve,you have no chance playing against someone as good as justine.
And yes,Justne is a great player,theres no denying that...but to say shes better than Serena Williams is fucking absurd and ridiculous...anyone who thinks this need a pyshiatric evaluation...like I said,her wins came against Serena at time Serena wasnt playing well and thats the bottom line..and Venus OWNS Henin 7-2.Their matches came down to whether or not Serena was fit or not..You hear the commentators all the time before their matches say it comes down to how Serena is playing.
I agree that Serena couldn't really play her game at Wimby '07 but she just got outplayed at FO '07 and USO '07, no excuses. We could just as easily make the excuse for Henin that she should have beaten Serena many more times if not for her nerves getting the better of her.
If Serena was injured in London in 2007, then why the hell did she come out on the court. If you're injured, don't play or retire. That's it. And if you' really were injured, then shut up, don't go around babbling about it cause it sounds really pathetic. And the only fucking idiot around here is you. My opinion is that Justine was better than Serena, and I am rightfully entitled to it. You are entitled to yours too, but don't go around offending people who don't share your point of view.
I agree that Serena is the best player ever, the FGOAT (Female Greatest of all time). One thing you should mention is that when Serena was at her best and Justine was at her best, Justine could never beat her. It is true that Justine could ever be considered better than Serena b/c Justine lost at so many finals and not winning consistently. Serena has only lost at a Final once, in 04 Wimbly. But I think people realize that Serena is the best player ever.
people are only saying justine is better because she is white it is like people who say anna karnakova was good they only said that because she is pretty and white but if she looked like the average russian she would not be told she is a good player
What do u mean whats the point of the video?? I said in the beginning its a response to the comments made on the serena henin vids....so i dont see how you dont get the point of the vid...im explaining why serena is better than justine.
Besides,this is a different channel...you need to go back to the JL47 channel because this channel is for different purposes
OMG! I am so sick and tired of people blaming all of Serena William's losses on injury. It is getting so old and pathetic now. MOST of the time Serena fakes her injuries so she doesn't have to take her game too seriously or uses it too boycott on smaller events. You can't blame everything on injury for god's sakes. Henin won those matches fair and square, deal with it.
oobalavivida 1 year ago
I agree, I certainly wouldn't follow the WTA if it weren't for the Williams sisters. MAYBE for Clijsters, just MAYBE. The first match I ever saw was one of Venus's in the 2007 Wimbledon, and ever since then I've been a tennis fanatic. They make me proud to be an American, as Tennis is yet another sport that we dominate.
cristalfur 1 year ago
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"A player should be at her very best every single time she plays a game", U understand that right? like u ur self agreed in the last 15 seconds that justine will definitely beat serena in those situations, By the way we are not at all qualified in anyway to declare serena or henin is the best. Try to digest that. I am waiting for the 2010 AO final. 8 more hrs to go. We'll see what happens, just enjoy the game, have fun.
bharathbandi84 2 years ago
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bharathbandi84 2 years ago
After Serena took the beat-down from Justine Henin at the US open, she came off like a spoiled immature brat, refusing to take any responsibility for that loss nor giving any credit to Justine for that win. Serena is a classless poor sport, period. Serena, Please leave our tour. Nobody likes you and no one wants to watch you play tennis.
KYF2001 2 years ago
Nobody wants to watch her play? She and her sister brought a new audience to the game! Furthermore, tickets sell out incredibly fast when she plays!
FURepublicans 2 years ago
god if i ever talked like that with that whiney accent id shoot myself
lollipopdouche 2 years ago
Ok. I am white, and I am on Serena's side, so no one can say I am racist.
Let's look at facts:
1. Serena has a winning record over Justine, even with those 3 consecutive wins. So even though Justine was "better" than Serena that year, Serena still had so many victories over her previously.
2. Even before Justine retired, Serena had more majors and had won all four of them. There is no argument there.
3. Serena never quit like Justine.
aa330 2 years ago
Serena is as big as a cow. Justine is tiny. Serena should be ashamed of herself being beaten by Justine many times.
beavertown2006 2 years ago 2
jaylove stupid mofo
greets from belgium
REGIbelgium 2 years ago
haha you are crazy look man they are both good players the only differnce is that Justin Henin has more variation in her game and she is also more sportive than serena because if she lose a game she always blames it on INJURIES and this a Fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fazef 2 years ago 4
i think serena is a powerful person and maybe she deserve to win but justine isa only 5'5 and its really hard for a tennis player to win things at such hieght
even though she defeated william sisters so many times
so it surely does prove that justine was the best
jenyapur 2 years ago 3
Oh shut up dimwit! You act as if Justine beat a prime Serena, you dicks fail to realize that Serena of 07 was unfit and not playing at her best! Anyone with knowledge of the game knows Serena at her best is just about unbeatable!
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
@JAYLOVE477 i do have a very much knowledge about the game
and if you would have you would have said that justine is the best
think of their records and you will find out
jenyapur 1 year ago
@jenyapur And what records does Justine have that are superior to Serena's? Justine used to have more weeks at #1(117) but as of tomorrow Serena will pass that, with exactly 118. Henin won 7 Slams - Rena won 13. Henin made 4 consecutive Slam finals, winning 1 of them. Rena made 4 consecutive slam finals, winning all four of them. Rena completed the career grand slam(All 4 GS's at least once.) Juju still hasn't won a Wimbledon.
cristalfur 1 year ago
@cristalfur Not to mention SIX of Serena's slams came with Capriati, an in-form Davenport, Venus when she was actually a good player, and Hingis on tour. When did Henin's come? When Serena was fat and out of shape, Venus could not(And still can not) for the life of her keep a ball in play, and all the other decent players are retired. Other than that, a bunch of generic Eastern Europeans for Justine to smack around. She thought things would go the same in 2010, but Rena had other plans...
cristalfur 1 year ago
ok lets get this str8, if you look at the stats of all three players because you said the william sisters venus actually has a winning record againts justine henin and second, serena do as well. justine henin do not have or has (past ) she doesnt play anymore" they ran her ass out of tennis. so let me say how many grand slam not only slams how many tournaments do henin have and how many do venus or serena have you do the math so that being said henin is not the best
Medicalstudent80 2 years ago
@jenyapur I know this is an old comment, but I should point out that Serena is only 4 inches taller than her, if that. Also, height does NOT = talent. Venus is 6'2 and hasn't won a slam in over 2 years. Maria is 6'3 and a total scrub. And Justine has not beaten the Williamses "so many times." Serena beats Juju 8-6, and Vee dominates Henin head to head(7-2) Justine is just opportunistic enough to take advantage when the WIlliams sisters are playing shitty tennis. Where was Justine in 2002, again?
cristalfur 1 year ago
@cristalfur well i think you are gettings many things wrong
the first is venus is 6'1 and second is that maria is 6'2 and she plays fantastic at her best.it is very important to have height .i play tennis and i'm only 5'5
you have no idea how difficult it is to serve for mebut my sister is 5'9 and she doesn't have to struggle to serve
she wins most of the times even though i play better than her.she herself says this.
and 4inches do make very muchdifference for a tennis player.
jenyapur 1 year ago
@jenyapur Alright, I was an inch off. That changes my point how? I definitely have an idea of what you must be dealing with in regards to your serve - I'm 5'6 and I have a pretty good decent as amateurs go. Hell, Justine's serve is about as good as any woman on tour not named S.Williams or Stosur. Height is nowhere near as big a factor on the woman's side as you think it is - Look at the shitty serve of 5'10 Dementieva. The fact that Justine won 7 slams and Maria only 3 just disproves your point
cristalfur 1 year ago
07 us open henin beat 2 williams brothers on way to win the final, williams are great players but cold as ice to often
GlAsSaRm 2 years ago
You morons have issues and need to seek immediate psychiatric assistance for your ignorance! Why are they brothers because they're black? Have so seen those hideous white she males like Mauresmo and Safina, or are you just blind to the fact that The Williams sisters look more femine then half the women on the tour? You clowns are unbelieveable and the fact that you think Justine looks more feminine then Serena proves you're delusional
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
cold as ice to often lol serena has won 11 singles titles and 9 doubles titles and thats just the majors.
and as for venus 14 and considered to be one of the best grass court players so cold as ice lol
and as for you saying brothers that is an idiotic comment post a pic on here and i bet you the feedback you get would make you recant that statement idiot
have a nice day lol
Medicalstudent80 2 years ago
Waaaaaaaaaaa...waaaaaaaaa..... Serenoid and her stupid fans are big babies.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....
CanaKahuna 2 years ago
Don't forget Serena's parent's divorce and murder of her sister.
That shit will fuck anyone up.
Leomerya12 2 years ago
Also, I'm willing to dispute your claim that "Serena is clearly the better all around player." Justine was a far better all around player, but at 5'5'' it's not easy to beat a great one-dimensional power player like Serena.
bobomber 2 years ago
You can say that Serena is a better all around I agree. As a tennis player it what you bring to the each match. Serena could of won more matches against many match when she was injured and not. Also it all in the mind. It's all a mental game. The matches that top player could have won was that they loss their mental strengthen. I love Serena alot. Serena or Venus is the one to win the tourament but other can win against them in any field because it what you bring to every match.
Taca575 2 years ago
it boils down to this; this has been said beofre
Ahenin got to 4 slam finals in a row and won 1
Serena got to 4 slam finals in row and won 4
So Serena takes her chances.
olaraay 2 years ago
1. it's not yours to decide
2. what's the point of arguing over this now that now one them has retired
3. the very fact that you made a video to declare your somewhat pathetic opinion not only will not diminish either player's accomplishment but it also shows your even more pathetic intention to emphasize Serena's greatness by belittling others. Seriously, get a life!
Though I'm a fan of Justine's, I appreciate very much what the Williams brought into Women's tennis.
yenwei1119 2 years ago 2
conclusion:
1. you're too much fixed on slams, and you don't even consider the number of finals! Henin won 42 ATP titles, whereas Serena 'only' won 34. you can't call Serena better purely based on GS records (e.g.: it's easy for Serena to add some more, without Henin/Clijsters/Davenport/Capriati etc on court)
2. i countered all your statements, you only DENIED or IGNORED mine.
3. i could admit Henin had troubles playing VENUS for that matter. but we all know both S and H are better players.
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
Venus is only good on grass and always choke in the later rounds of the other slams so fuck her.
She is 7-2 against Henin tho.And,yes....I still feel Serena would have won 3 of the 4 slams whether Davenport,Clijsters Henin or Capriati was playing or not believe me
Why do I think this?
Because she OWNED all of them in 02 03 and they couldnt stop Venus from stacking up slams in 00 and 01.
And the sisters came back unfit in 05 and 07 and won slams while those girls were playing so
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
fair enough, these statement of yours are finally REASONABLE
but like you said, all we can go off is the facts,
yet you started 'well' by giving the vid that title... that's why i had the inclination to give shade of meaning
people just have other opinions on what proves one is better than the other
for me, it's skills: for every 'amazing' shot Serena plays, Henin plays 3 or 5 (= my opinion)
Serena was more succesful for sure, but therefor not the better one, to me
you see what i'm saying?
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
But,if you take into account that Serena is biggere,maybe Justine is better.
I dont think Serena would have had as much success as Justine if she was as little as Justine
Justine was at a disadvantage against big players like Sharapova Venus and Serena and she still beat them all.
So yes shes definitely great...but she doesnt have serenas mental toughness heart and choked alot in finals of slams and later rounds of slams
Thats why I think Serena is better not cause she got more slams
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Thank you for being honest here about Henin's size. She had to play tremendous tennis to make up for that disadvantage. I doubt any of the other top players would have succeeded without their great height and strength the way she did.
My 2 cents: Serena was always going to be the favorite on a fast court, this is undeniable. Who is the better tennis player though? It depends on how you define greatness I suppose.
bobomber 2 years ago
How well would you play if your sister was murdered and parents split up?
Not just Serena, but Venus, they both had a LOT of trouble during that time ('03-'06).
They only recovered fully around end of 2007.
And then Henin started to fade away.
-But... Henin is brilliant. And for her size, she just may be the better player. Just don't call Serena "1-D" because her shots are absolutely clinical... especially that backhand of hers. Phew.
Leomerya12 2 years ago
Well, I think it's quite a coincidence that they recovered only just as Henin was ending her career. And as far as personal lives go... who had it worse? ...mom died of cancer when she was 12...no contact with her family... virus that kept her in bed 14 hours a day...divorce..
and sorry but i don't see a while lot of dimensions besides power power power
bobomber 2 years ago 2
Right, when she was 12.
And I'm sure it devastated her.
But she had at least 10 years to cope (it didn't happen in her career).
Plus, I think because the Williams' are more powerful they are considered ONLY powerful.
I think in the future, women will just become stronger, and their power will be considered standard.
Also calling the Williams' only power players is a cop-out from admitting how skilled they are.
Leomerya12 2 years ago
I see what your saying.
Im a Serena fan but Henin was the more talented
However just talent doesnt win you grand slams.
Serena has used what she has well so credit to her.
olaraay 2 years ago
Its a testament Sernas still playing
skipping all those small tournaments has done her good in way- shes still playing.
olaraay 2 years ago
continuation:
Serena also only won once a year accept in 02 03 and 09. Henin did so in 03 and 07 (one year less) and considering the fact she won 3 out of 4 Slam titles from RG 2003 to AO 2004, we can say it's just a pity New Year was in between... (get the picture?)
then again, in 2006 Henin reached ALL 4 GS finals (of which she only won 1) and won the Masters. she lost the AO and Wimbledon finals against Mauresmo, but we both know Henin would have won those matches 9 out of 10 times!
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
Exactly the point im trying to make is Justine is a great player...theres no arguing that,but to say shes better than Serena is just going to far
Im looking at slams because these are the biggest moments.Henin always choked and dropped the ball.I can name when if you like
Henin made it to 4 straight slams in 06 and only won on Clay Serena made it to 4 slams in 02/03 and won all 4
Serena plays better under pressure and in the big moments you can guarantee a win.Cant say the same about JH
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
i'm going to explain you why this guy still denies the 'fact' Henin IS the better player:
he's clearly an (afro-)american and therefor an 'unconditional' fan of Her Highness Williams
LOL plz grow up
Henin!
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
You're wrong...I can admit that Hingis was a lil better than Venus in my opinion...so was Evert.
So no,its not racial but since you brought that up it leads me to belive that you have some racil undertones in your bias opinion.
Serena is better because she just is.You clowns think Henin is better because she beat Serena 3 times when Serena was fat as a cow? How stupid.Grow a brain...you clowns are clueless
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
listen, i'm not talking about Hingis nor Evert and i'm not interested in them what so ever --> just talking about Henin!
clearly putting 'afro-' BETWEEN BRACKETS (because I just happen to derive that from ur voice) still ain't good enough for you to look BEYOND that!
so plz don't call me a racist, just because that's my idea about this vid. i've lots of coloured friends too, for that matter!
and don't think you are a racist either, but you just stick to Williams too much, for some reason!
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
and as i couldn't get all my lines into one comment...
Henin beat Serena time after time in 2007, while Serena was each time claiming to be fit and ready to compete. that's a FACT my friend!
btw, you only remember those 3 losses?
their head-to-head record is W 7 - H 6, for God's sake!
i'm just convinced Henin is the better (= more talented player) cuz Serena is rather a 'baseline hitter'. Henin has way better technique/skills!
how many titles/slams would S have won with H's body?? imagine!
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
All we go can off of is the facts
Fact 1.Henin never beat Serena at her best.
Fact 2.Henin only beat Serena on Clay where she was the better clay court player,and on Grass Wimbledon 07,Serena was clearly injured,French 07 Like I said Serena was never good on Clay.And Usopen 07,Serena still fat as a cow and clearly not playing like she is now and in 02 03
Lastly Serena has 10 slams and won 3 of the last 4.Why wasn't Henin able to win as frequent? She only won once a year accept in 03 07
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
hey listen, you're well informed in terms of records, so all you said ain't untrue, but i am too, so be aware of that.
let me give a little reply to your 'facts':
1. how can you be so sure? even Clijsters did in the Masters final 2002, so why wouldn't Henin be able to do so? i don't think Serena would ever beat Henin at HER best!
2. again, Serena was 3 times claiming to be fit and ready to compete in 2007!
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
You should have labeled Fact 1 as Opinion 1 because that's what it is.
Just like someone else could have the opinion that Serena never beat Justine at her best. How are you going to disprove that? You can't, because it's an opinion.
bobomber 2 years ago 2
If Serena wasn't at her best, the it means Serena was worse compared to Henin at the time.
rageneox 2 years ago
lol i agree with u dude but u need to make better videos. and make ur point clearer. also screw the haters dont even reply.
MDHtennis4life 2 years ago
WHATCHU MEAN MAKE MY POINT CLEARER?
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
hahahaha
sorry, just had to laugh with the title of your video:D
ardiesken 2 years ago
i LAUGHED EVEN HARDER AT THE FACT THAT YOU ACTUALLY DISAGREED...HAHAHAHAHAHA Goes to show just how delusional white folks really are.
LMBAO
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
because i think justine is better, I'm a racist?:D
Americans own stupidity
ardiesken 2 years ago 2
so he called you a racist as well?? :P
haha
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
And remember Serena was down 06 in the first set against Justine in the 2007 Sony Ericson?? And she fought her way back to win the title..and Justine looked great in that match initially,and Serena came back to win....just goes to show you that when Serena wants it BAD and is playing well....she's unbeateable but I have to admit that Justione did,later in her career played great consistantly...Serena played great consistently earlier in her career
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Yeah Miami '07 was another Henin chokefest.
bobomber 2 years ago
its hard to argue with someone who is fixated on believing that all commentators are racist or bias. pulling the race card isnt valid when you have no idea who these commentators really are as people. in 2006, justine WAS injured in the final of australian open. so that doesnt count. and i agree that justine should never lose to mauresmo. justine does everything better than her. you can kind of compare justine's trouble at wimbledon to serenas trouble at the french.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
and when you play against a player like sharapova, who goes for broke on every shot, you can run into a player on a hot streak. in that match sharapova wasnt missing. and her flat shots just powered through the court. look at the 2004 wimbledon final, sharapova went for absolute broke against serena and just got lucky. almost any other day maria would have missed those shots and serena would have won. lets not look at 2006. rather, lets look at justine's 2007 and serena's 2002, their best years
frankieleo1 2 years ago
See how you justify Justine losts but you say Serena lost in 2007 to Justine was purely Justine outplaying her...cmon dude..be real..you know and I know Serena was not there in 07...and lets not even count 07Wimb because she was clearly injured and still gave Justine a run.And thats my point..Justine is a great player and if you notice Serena has always come out on top when Serena was fit and in shape.
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
If you truly believe that USopen 07 and French open 07 was the best of Serena or even Serena playing 50%..you're insane...i have np with Justine because shes white...im just not going to give her credit for beating Serena when she played like shyt and looked like a fat pig...she was just getting back into form for crying out loud...and 2006 wasnt JH at her best? Dude,she made it to 4 straight slam finals...and went 1-3 when serena made it to 4 straight in 2002,she went 4-0..JH only good on CLAY
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
whats really intesting though is that serena's last four or five grand slam wins have come when justine was not playing the tournament. say what you want but that means something. venus and justine are the only people that can truly trouble serena when shes at her best. serena IS physically the strongest girl on tour. no doubt. justine is only 5'6" which puts her at a severe disadvantage. serena at her best is her pounding the ball without hesitation and its hard to beat that.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
since serena is soooo much bigger than justine, naturally serena can hit theball harder. so there is no point in justine getting into a power hitting battle with serena cuz serena will beat justine. they both have contrasting styles of play which made their rivalry the best on tour. justine is definitely better on clay. serena is definitely better on grass. hard court is pretty even but since it suits more of a power player than i would have to give the slight advantage to serena.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
their both great champions and both have different aspects that make them champions. justine and serena were the best to watch and i wish soooo much they could play again.
and btw, 2006 was not a good year for justine even though she made it to 4 finals. aussie open doesnt count. and she played like shit against mauresmo at wimbledon. 2007 was her best. she played three grand slams and won 2. she made it to the semis of wimbledon and only lost 4 matches that year. 2007 is her best for sure.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
Well shes a quitter too me.Serena as u saw in her Wim07 4th round match against Hantuchova didnt quit when injured and I believe Serena would have beaten Mauresmo in both the 06Australian and Wimbledon injured or not
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Hell look what she did to Sharapova in the 07Aus and she wasnt even fit and hadnt played much going into that tournament
So I know she unlike Justine could have beaten Mauresmo even when shes not at her best
Serena will never make 4 slam finals and go 1 of 4
In 02 she went 4 fa 4
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Well,thats what makes her good her strength....Serena cant help the fact that shes a hard hitter..thats like me say "Oh,the only reason Ali won so many belts is because he was a great fighter." Well duh,thats his strength..and Serenas ability to serve is what makes her great.Also,the same can be said for Justine,she won most of her titles when Serena was in a down fall Usopen03 Australian 04,French 05,06..and Serena won 4 straight titles when Justine was around in 02-03,whatchu talking bout
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
You say its interesting that Serena won her slams when Justine was out the game
But Justine stacked up alot of slams when the Williams was out and had an opportunity to do so in 06 when she choked in every final but the FRENCH...Serena won the 2002 French Wimb USO and AUS 03 and WIMB 03 all when Justine was playing
So please And she won the 05 AUS just like Justine won the 03USO 04AUS 05 French and 06French ALL OF WHICH Serena either didnt play in or was half fit and injured Your point
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
you just make up all those percentages (50%) or what???
ProudTarjaholic 2 years ago
I don't feel like giving credit to Serena for her wins against Henin that were based solely on Justine choking, rather than Serena outplaying her. And there were A LOT of matches like that.
See how this line of argument works?
bobomber 2 years ago 2
Cmon Theres no mystery that the commentators are bias when it comes to AAs...Just look at what the Williams have faced on the tour from the fans in Indian Wells n French Open.The list of racially related incidents go on and on...Even Barry Bonds they talked about him til no end and Michael Vick as well but let a white athlete get into a legal matter theres not much said about it...And so ITS OK TO BLAME Justine lost on injury but we cant blame Serena lost to JH on injuries
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Serena will never lose to a player like Amelie Mauresmo in 2 ,hell not even 1 slam final and sharapova playing the way sharapoa did in that match...spare me!
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
do you know how often players play their best? almost never. read some player interviews. what made justine a great player was her overall consistency, something serena lacks. you keep saying that if serena were at her best then she would win. well did you ever think that justine didnt allow serena to play her best? justine's game was the foil in serena's. her all court game gave serena's one dimensional, high-risk game a lot of trouble. i like both women a lot. theyre both so talented
frankieleo1 2 years ago 2
No..because Serena is the one who dictate her matches...when she lost to Henin...her movement was off,she made lots of errors,and she as you see wasn't fit..and yes,theres no denying that at Wimbledon she was injured.When she did beat Justine,her serve was going,she made little to no errors,and she was fit..notice...justine has never beaten Serena when she played her best...what I mean by at her best...is not playing the perfect match...but being fit,showing great movement,and awareness.
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
But the fact still remains...when Serena was on top of her game...no one,could beat her...im just stating the facts...im not trying to be bias...Although I do like Serenas game better...Im just saying that everytime...EVERYTIME,Serena lost to Justine she was not fit or playing well...in the 07 Frecnh she was horribly,which yes she does have a tendacy to be inconsistent,at the 07 Wimb she was injured badly,and in the US open her serve movement was terrible..she looked like a fat pig
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
How could we ignore this....it is what it is...and Justine admitted to it...when Serenas at her best no one is going to beat her...when has Justine beaten a fit Serena Williams...thats like me giving Larry Holmes credit for beating an old Muhammad Ali
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
the significant advantage serena has over justine is her physique. her natural raw power makes her soooo much stronger than justine. you have to admit its pretty incredible the way justine plays for her height. it MUST be noted that serena lost to justine more than any other player (besides Venus). there must be a reason why serena lost to justine so many times and not just because she wasnt at her best. credit has to be given to justine for giving serena so much trouble.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
if you ask any tennis expert what serena's biggest flaw is they would say it's her footwork. justine knew how to exploit that sooooooo well. the different spins and speeds put serena off balance all the time. when you're off balance, then it is soooo much more likely that you will hit errors. justine knew how to play serena. however, serena knew how to beat justine: first strike tennis. their matches came down to who could execute the needed strategy better.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
and thats just her backhand alone! talk about a bad match. i also think it had to do with justines head not being in the right place since she wanted to retire.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
When serenas serve is working...Justine has no chance...and when she had less weight and could run balls down and hit angles...justne struggled because shes small and cant get to the other side of the court as fast as someone Venus and Sharapovas height...
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Her foot work...exactly,she was a fat pig and couldnt get to the balls...in their earlier meetings when Serena was playing at her best,she was much quicker due to the less weight,its not that Justine could exploit anything...like i said,we have to remember this is a injured Serena who wasnt playing well and thats the most important thing.I refuse to give someone credit for winning against someone who was injured but couldnt beat them when they wasnt and at their best
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
if you ask any tennis expert what serena's weakness is they would say its her footwork. justine knew how to exploit this by using different spins and speeds. when you cant keep proper footwork then youre much more prone to hit errors. serena's strategy was first strike tennis. their matches came down to who could better execute their strategy on the day. oohhh and btw, the 2008 miami match was terrible. talk about hitting a lot of errors. justine hit 30 errors off her backhand side alone.
frankieleo1 2 years ago
Fuck experts...their white like Justine so quite naturally theyre going to be bias...and lets not forget..Justne never dominated womens tennis like serena..when serena made it to 4 straight finals...02 French,Wimbledon,USO,and 03 AUSO...she won all four consecutive grand slam finals against a great player like Venus...but when justone made it to 4 consecutive slam finals in 06 AUSO,French,Wimbledon,and USO she only won once..and went 1-4..against lamos like Mauresmo and Sharapova
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
Come on, calling the experts racist. You're black just like Serena...does that mean you are biased too? In that case we can't trust anyone.
Also, lucky for Serena Justine hadn't come into her own yet in '02-'03 so she could dominate.
bobomber 2 years ago
Serena loses to Justine came when Serena was playing poorly and injured...07 French Open,Serena was not there...07 Wimbledon,injured,07 USO Serena was clearly unfit and playing like shit in that match...so please...the record should be 9-3...you cant say injuries have nothing to do with losing...thats fucking retarded...if you have an ankle,bad cramp,or any other injury,especially your shoulder which affects your serve,you have no chance playing against someone as good as justine.
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
And yes,Justne is a great player,theres no denying that...but to say shes better than Serena Williams is fucking absurd and ridiculous...anyone who thinks this need a pyshiatric evaluation...like I said,her wins came against Serena at time Serena wasnt playing well and thats the bottom line..and Venus OWNS Henin 7-2.Their matches came down to whether or not Serena was fit or not..You hear the commentators all the time before their matches say it comes down to how Serena is playing.
JAYLOVE477 2 years ago
I agree that Serena couldn't really play her game at Wimby '07 but she just got outplayed at FO '07 and USO '07, no excuses. We could just as easily make the excuse for Henin that she should have beaten Serena many more times if not for her nerves getting the better of her.
bobomber 2 years ago
If Serena was injured in London in 2007, then why the hell did she come out on the court. If you're injured, don't play or retire. That's it. And if you' really were injured, then shut up, don't go around babbling about it cause it sounds really pathetic. And the only fucking idiot around here is you. My opinion is that Justine was better than Serena, and I am rightfully entitled to it. You are entitled to yours too, but don't go around offending people who don't share your point of view.
Borisnifk 2 years ago 2
I agree that Serena is the best player ever, the FGOAT (Female Greatest of all time). One thing you should mention is that when Serena was at her best and Justine was at her best, Justine could never beat her. It is true that Justine could ever be considered better than Serena b/c Justine lost at so many finals and not winning consistently. Serena has only lost at a Final once, in 04 Wimbly. But I think people realize that Serena is the best player ever.
laloca30 2 years ago
people are only saying justine is better because she is white it is like people who say anna karnakova was good they only said that because she is pretty and white but if she looked like the average russian she would not be told she is a good player
spiritualseeker02 2 years ago
great vid man serena is better i agree
spiritualseeker02 2 years ago
there are people more deservng of a vid if serena were whie with the same talent this vid would be non existent
akilahakilah 2 years ago
first viewer yay. i think tis vidis kind of pointless though. surely u could haev found a better herion
akilahakilah 2 years ago
What do u mean whats the point of the video?? I said in the beginning its a response to the comments made on the serena henin vids....so i dont see how you dont get the point of the vid...im explaining why serena is better than justine.
Besides,this is a different channel...you need to go back to the JL47 channel because this channel is for different purposes
JAYLOVE47 2 years ago
i was commenting on serena is a unsporting cunt, which is true,, as for safina, id give her one nice tall lady, serena looks like mike tyson
GlAsSaRm 2 years ago 3