and later was changed to Gelati but that was the Georgian church liturgy was in Georgian language as u know Abkhazians had no written language at that time.
14) who wrote that there was,,the Catholikos of Aphsua'', i wrote that Abkhazians received Christianity in 6th century but i wrote nothing whether they had or not there own church and liturgy. yes they had no liturgy and separate church.
ok and none from honest Abxazians are enemies of Georgian church of Gelati.
13) the Christianity officially was established under the Emperor Justinian the Great (527-565r.) He orderd to built some major churchs in Abxazia. And liturgy was arrenged in greek language and local churches were under the jurispudence of patriarchate of Constantinople (Byzantium) and only later in the 10 century majority of them were included in the Abkhazian Church under the Catholikos of Abkhazia whose episcopal seat was in Pitsunda
12) ok now abour change of religion. The part of abxazs were converted into Muslim faith the part of them kept the christians faith and one more part of abxazs probably who came from north they were pagans. That is why some of them were pagans but not all of them. Majority were converted into Islam like Lazs or Mes'xetians.
6) Principality of Abkhazia had many wars for example against the principality of Odishi (Samegrelo) throughout 17 and 18century. or against Ottomans and Russians during 18 and 19 century. Find with yourself.
According to Tovma Metsobetsi Armenian author Bagrat V Great was the king of those nations ,,Dral (Dvali), Osed (Ossetian), Imerel (West Georgians, Imerlebi), Mekrel (Mengrelians), Ap'xaz (Abkhazians), Sonk (Svans)', Vrats'i (Kartvels/Georgians), and Mesx (Meskhetians)''. Majority of those nations are the part of Georgian nation today but not the Abkhazians and Ossetians, but during reigh of Bagrat V (1360-95 r.) they were under the Georgian sovereignity.
5) Ya Abkhazians are offspreangs of Abazgs and Apshils according to over mentioned version. Anyway if they are not then were the Abazgians and Aphsars have been lost?! According to georgian, ottoman, russian, Greek sources from 15 century to 19 century in Abkhazia was populated by Abkhazians. Georgian term 'Abkhaz' was used to describe them.
Thus the terms Aphshil/Aphsar/Aphsua are identical. Aphsars were tribs who were united alongside with Abazgs in 7 century as a the principality of Abazgia. capital was Dyoscuria (Ts'khum). Later Abazgian king Leon II received the thone of Egrisi in 785/9.
The term Aphxazi was produced from terms Abazg/Aphsar. It was Georgian term to describe the ancestors of Abkhazians.
4) About connection of terms Abkhazian and Aphsua we have several version. one of them states that before Aphuas were Aphshils (Greek term) in Georgian Aphsars (See the Text of Anon. of Mephe Giorgi-Lasha).
14.где именно находилась резиденция т.н. апсуйского «католикоса»? И по какой причине в 16 веке была перенесена во «враждебный» каждому честному апсуйцу грузинский Гелати?
12.как получилось, что народ, якобы создавший в раннее средневековье развитое христианское государство с многочисленными памятниками церковного зодчества, спустя тысячу лет впал в махровое язычество?
6. у всех стран и народов были многочисленные внешние войны. Так вот, когда, где, с кем, и по какой причине воевали апсуа? Места и даты важнейших сражений, кто победил, кто проиграл, в этих грандиозных побойщах?
7.когда, где, и по какой причине происходили восстания?
yes and please show me the Georgian book dated in 1 century. As far as a know the oldest one is barely dated in 8 century. That is the oldest survived book in Georgian language and the creation of alphabet is dated at 4 century hence the first books were written by 4 century but they are lost. PS nice dance and the girl with flag is beautiful .
WhatKatieDlD. Oe calm down baby if you say that all Abkhazians are Apsua and they came after then how those people get lost themselfs who lived in Abkhazeti region in the middle ages and were named by Georgian sources as Abkhazians?! How are those people were lost alongside with their name?! Besides the terms Aphshil and Aphsny are very close and do not forget that Aphshils recieved Christianity in 6 century, so they also have cultury and history.
I do know what cherqezia is. But do you know that abkhazians have nothing common with cherqez?
If you have any doubts regarding this, read what MONGOLIANS wrote about abkhazs in 15th century historical chronics. It says cherqezs and abkhazs have Nothing in common, and describes both... compares .. u must learn better ur own history.. from real books, not from russian wanna be ones.
do you believe in the fairytale about 2000 sleeping dead ossetians? in such case I really pitty you... because even kremli officially admitted it was not a precise number.. and changed to 246.
Im not willing to insult anyone on utub or get insulted.. stay polite or get ignored.
at least we HAVE BOOKS WRITTEN IN GEORGIAN, ... since 1st century.
and you don't. as far as your alphabet was created in 1953.
as for cherkeska, i have no idea what it is. we could not take anything from north caucasus and we are the oldest country in the region, with armenya.
please.. u hate georgians, otherwise u wouldn have made their genocide in 1992.dont speak now as innocent.
thats why u always hated us, Georgians. because comparing with us u always felt yourself miserable.. . coz of our rich history and culture.. look at your dance.. it is a mix of georgian and kabardo-ingush elements.. nothing your own.
Georgian songs are sent to cosmos as the world treasure..
Georgians always been kind to you APSUA, ur just ungrateful people.. full of hatred and envy..
Abkhazia is ancient Georgian land.. we respect abkazians, not APSUA tribe with alphabet since 1953.
same if France allowed in some african tribe in 18th century. than in 1953 they asked someone to write the alphabet, after they named theirselves corsicans and declare corsica independence.
kill native corsicans and french and force to leave.
you asking for respect. respect is something to deserve my dear. tell me what your APSUA tribe has created except genocide... of course nothing... as you could not even read and write until 1953.
coz it is an obvious provement real abkhazians always been Georgians. just like megrelians, svans etc.
They all had different dialects spoken but one and only alphabet to read and write.
You telling me abkhazian beautiful churchswere made by barbars who could not read and write until 1953?
Noway, our only mistake is, we shouldn have let in mountain tribe APSUA. with alphabet since 1953 (made by russian!!!)for hospitality we got genocide now and stolen land.
unwilingly? how do you know that? who wrote ABKHAZIAN history if you had no alphabet?
what language was it written in? In Georgian?
What language was spoken in Abkhazia in 7th century? Georgian? what language Abkhazian Kings wrote? Georgian? So what makes u think Abkhazians are not Georgians? they were.. and you are mountain tribe apsua
u know what alphabet created in 1953 means?
that means ur almost canibals-)) it means until 1953 you could not create ANYTHING. it means ur barbarians
It is a very simple question. once again asking you.
how could poeple with alphabet created in 1953 (that means before they could not read and write) independently establish kingdom and develope?
can any barbarian tribe reach some progress without being able to READ and WRITE?
and you calling me Gruzin? u mountain goat with alphabet created in 1953 trying to insult me being Georgian? the one of the first christian countries in europe and ancient unique language and alphabet?
you insisting Abkhazia was never part of Georgia. now you tell me, how could people who had no own alphabet (until 1953) and could not READ and WRITE, build the kingdom, build churches ,, buildings and develope?
It is simplest provement that Abkhazians including kings were Georgians, read and wrote in Georgian..
you are APSUA mountain tribe settled there in 18th century and started writing in 20th.thats why u have not created anythin yet but genocide.
I can send you the pictures of Georgian cities... send me some photos of abkhazian towns and let's compare. it is very simple if you don't believe we have much much better infrustructure and progress...
yeah, Im Georgian ... I have a beautiful country with unique history and civilization of 2500 years.. unique alphabet a language//great composers, painters, writers, singers, national ballet, poets, museums..
ur just a shitty mountain APSUA goatfucker, came here in 18th century and stole my land. I believe in Justice, one day u will have to pay for Ethnic cleansing against Georgians .
by that day go get fucked by vanyas and Boryas in ur ass, I DON give a fuck!
yeah .. everything is fine, was fine, will be fine-))))
abkhazia is independent country-)))) foreign investors are discussing investments with ABKHAZIAN DIASPORA, you have own telephone code and you are linked on maps as sovereign country..
ahahahahahahaha
dream on... totally idiot. bye! shock therapy will be very very painful.. but u will have to face the truth one day-))!!! pshiupshiuapsh omg. my tongue
you are not a "country" at all. you are a forbidden zone. on the maps ur within Georgia. (red spot)you have no telephone code etc. visiting abkhazia is legal only from georgian boarder. citizens of all countries are informed abt the risks. ANY kind of business is prohibited by international law in abkhazia and is illegal.
you can become similar to chechnya or ingushetya if join russia, but you'll never be like Georgia or Azerbaijan - caucasus sovereign independent countries.
we have great infrustructure by the way. we don't spend money on wars, but to have army close to nato standarts . noone is running to russia. once again, hearing you is the same as Russia Today ... extremely old fashioned staff and boring.
Georgia had to pay for its indepence .. it is the highest price still worth of it... because I don't evn want to imagine living with Russia, and I trully belieeve our future is withing europe and civilized world, not back to USSR.
as for you and ossetians, you are the victims of a big geopolitical game just like us. and if you think russia is stronger than US, and will last longer, ur mistaken.
because every rotten system built on violance and lies will end. like USSR or many imperias before.
moreover, whatever Georgia offers, you decide nothing nowdays, when russians are taking all major objects from you, building there military bases etc.
even if you wanted to join us back, russia would never let you go. Don't deny this. As not for debates but for yourself you have to admit, now you got both hands tied, and you've lost all your independence (if you had some) after russian recognision. you expected different I know, but now have to face new reality. thats it.
I have no intention to insult you personally, if some statements based on historical facts do insult you, sorry it is your past and recent and your problem to deal with..
therefore stop asking "what I offer". I don't offer anything at all.. im here not for negotiation and some thing aint negotiable and baught with money.. or lost without money.
you blocked UN and all international organisations to hide those human rights violations that happen every day against native Georgians in Gali and other places. why are you so much afraid of truth? coz it is against you. you even don't let in european supervisors .. to have hands untied whenever kremli wants any kind of provocations.
and now please.. don't tell me all the westerns are wrong and corrupted totalitarian russia is right.
As I said abt 20 comments earlier, the only porpose of you bullshitting here was "someone to read ".
very nice thou.. indeed, it is you to prove and explain. not vice versa. MY truth and the only truth knows the world, thats why only Russia and Nicaragua have recognised you.
the truth is, abkhazia is Georgia, and in 1992 70,000 abkhazians committed ethnic cleansing against 300,000 Georgians, forced them to leave with russian help, for russian money.
aha... Otar Ioseliani is internationally known Georgian film director who escaped soviet union and lives and works in France. by the way, do you have any film directors? never heard-)
SHevardnadze admitted the worst mistake was sending the army , to protect the railway. and maybe mxedrioni committed warcrimes too, as they had power in those terrible times and some were junkies etc. but im 100 percent sure they didn rape pregnant and skin deads. thats the point.
but. I believe it would happen in any case. as it was long ago planned in russia. and russians just agitated u and used u against us. if not russians we could make some solution acceptable for both sides. thats it!
u must be very young and brainwashed due to your TV propaganda . u believe in brutality and racism of Georgians.
of course noone would tell you about the war crimes abkhaz committed. you have rose glasses on your eyes. whatsoever, on my channlel there is a very realistic clip abt abkhazia war -))) . CIAO!
My friend's grandparents old people were hiding in Gagra in the basement. and their neighbour helped them to escape. SO obviously there are some good people too.. but they saw how abkhazs shot old couple just because they were Georgian, opened the door and staight shot them. woman survived the wound.. the man died.
Such facts are dozens. I'd advise u not to speak about brutality and war crimes and barbarism . as far as you are abkhazian, you have no fucking moral right ..!
ahahaha u can't even come out from ruins.. 15 years passed from the abkhazia war.
we had war last year and everything is re-built despite it was a great hit on our economy. SO after russian embargo, russia-georgia war we still have no crisis... and you telling me we are collapsing? in fact russia is collapsing, prices on gas dropped down and nabucco makes it clear... russia is just a matter of time.)))
have some common sense when arguing... be realistic-)))
As you saying, russians exspelled many abkhazians . thats true. many were forced to leave because of RELIGION. who did not want to become Orthodox were forced to escape. many escaped to turkey (100,000 or smth)(mudjahirs)
you also insisting abkhazs are christians, and only few are muslims (like georgians). you contradicting yourself. it comes out majority of abkhazs were muslims and that is true, APSUA are muslim tribes from north caucasus. not orthodox REAL abkhazs
I did not ignore, I 'm not gonna comment all ur russian propaganda.
b)russians invaded us after signing "giorgievsky traqtat" and as occupants they never asked permission of doing anything to local people. no alliance.
d) after the war, and during crisis, our economy still did not collapse. that indicates we don't live just on "aid".
e) call my govmnt whatever i don mind but in fact they are not corrupted. anti -corruption reform in Georgia was one of the most succesful from many others.
I've been in many countries and most illegal immigrants I've seen there are russians . including famous russian prostitutes. living standarts in Georgia aint worse than in Russia. if ur told we are poor and collapsing, thats a lie. come to tbilisi and see, noone will kill you coz u are abkhazian -))))
well, As long as u can't be independent, (and u can't ) I think you could live much much better in Georgia than in Russia. Iknow how russians treat vassals, I know their mentality. In Georgian U'D LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY, now you live in RUSSIAN MILITARY BASE WITH NO EXIT. You chose russia, so lets see what happens/ I am sure u will regret it one day.
Лицом к лицу лица не увидать,большое видится на расстоянии-))
ur funny... "invaded ur country"? It is my country by international low. and by moral low too.. because abkhazs were 70.000 17% (minority) and Georgians 300,000 - majority of population when the war started. Invaded ur country? LOOL u serious?
As for your statements. once again, you are copying russian smi. that Georgia is poor country, used by USa. This is not true. US is our strategical partner. don't know what it means? your problem.
yes true, we do have much to work.. but even now our living standarts and mental standarts are much much better than in 90ies. I would not even compare.. and what is done in abkhazia? frozen place.. i've seen videos and I know it is still in ruins and very very low level. do you deny?
did you comment directly on SHARTAVA case. on skinned and raped pple. pple shot just because they were Georgian. go ahead/
the rest is really propaganda and Im really tired of reading it. You are repeating russian TV news.. I wanted to hear "abkhazian attitude and point of view"... if some still exists.
today in ABkhazia inprisoned 2 Italian journalists. they questioned pple and pple's comments were full of dissapointment.
also 2 French journalists said the same on Georgian Tv.. noone is happy over there, abkhazians understand what a shit this "independence" is turning into.
Балалаики абхазам не хватает для полного счастья-)))) тупые козоебы
thanks anyways, now I am aware of abkhazian propaganda-)
P.S. noone uses us. money from gas and oil pipelines are spent on us, pple.. or now u will try to convince Georgia is corrupted like russia and money goes to elite? ok whatever u say. Let's see how u sing when nabuko starts.
we have income in budget from every single project and investment. In abkhazia invest only russians, and they don't care abt law. now think who is being used. who's rights are protected etc. no decent company will invest in abkhazia, it is prohibited by low.
and stop calling me honey, avoid me such familiarity. lmao. and stop pretending ur christian, abkhaz majority are muslims.
u know all this but u are afraid of us. coz if we are back, u think we will revenge. and u think we take back everything u stole from us. houses etc. thats why u think u have no choice but russia. and u fooling urselves with ridiculous "independence" etc.
maybe ur right.. u committed things one could hardly forgive.. but generations change so maybe in the future we have much in common than today. and maybe one day u'll burn russian passports and ask for european. lets see what happens-)
Gamsakhurdia was forced to escape outta here, coz we don't tolerate dictators. If not Abkhazia and Ossetia conflicts, today we would be like switzerland in caucasus. and U'd have ur autonomy and fucking money and great resorts there. ur just idiots. look how we live and how u live. compare batumi and sokhumi... and these wars are like pain in our asses. we could make a great country. but nah, u chose licking russian communist asses. u committed suicide.. u never be independent .
u have no honour and I have nothing to prove u.. If i would have to kill russian children and women for my "independece" I would not. U sold urselves for money . u don't know what is independence.
everyone likes us.. except russians and some caucasus mountain tribes maybe.. oh armenya.. but they don like anyone at all. so chill out...
we are not nazists. we never insult other nationalities here. many ossetians and abkhaz live here. u must know this.
I understand in the war each side has its own truth, but there are things that both sides must respect..
u assascinated Shartava and many many people.. without court or smth.. just shot. don't dare to deny.. there are videos on youtube. you killed children. women. old people. I know this from refugees... just shut the fuck up. Georgian would never do such beasty things. we are christians!
write in Google "Genocide of Georgians in Abkhazia" and there u are. read facts, what ur people did (including stadium massacre, raped pregnant women and skinned people hanging)... and then tell urself u are civilised pple. I've made my conclusions long ago.
IS that u wanted? Guess no. If u were more clever, ud avoid that bastard kokoiti. they wanted to live in russia. and u have some natsionalism left inside don't u?
Do u see any future over there? russians will take from u all major objects, they see in u cheap workers.. nothing more. U have to always be gratefu to them.. smile motherfucker smile-)
As our patriarch said, and he is a very clever man, for u this "independence" will turn in to punishment.
Noone likes us? damnn.. how do ya kno? do you have international relations? :) can u get visa with abkhazian passport?
I can assure u, we have more partners in the world then ur dear lord Russia. even belorus did not recognise u. u still not getting? russia did not gave u independence, they made u FULLY dependant on them. and u dance?
Georgian Kings were "Kings of Abkhazia, qartli etc." Abkhazia is ancient georgian land. Stop misinforming people. are u writing this for some american or europenan to read and recognise u? LOL... please... avoid me of this Staling lies. me and u know the truth. enough propaganda here from u. Abkhazians and Georgians lived together well until russians came.
what propaganda u idiot I read it on wikipedia, the world's largest enciklopedia. now don't tell me wikipedia is distorting facts and ur local Tv channels and russia today are the only truth.
rofl
don't ever dare to "shame me"// I don't have my hands in blood of my neighbour. Im not living in my dead neighbour's house/
IN 1992 Abkhazians were 17 percent of Abkhazia population. the Minority. 70.000 (one stadium). RUSSIA ARMED AND BACK_UPED stadium declared "independence" LOL and forced 260.000 native Georgians to leave. (with the help of other north caucasus barbarian tribes such as kozaki etc.)
haha I don worry at all... Im having wonderful life.. and you living in poverty.. I can go anywahere, and you even don't have own pasports but russian.
because abkhazian pasport will be put in ur ass at any embassy
noone Invades OWN COUNTRY . ur trashy logic is ridiculous. ever heard about international law and separatism?or in pshupshu schools ur taught different low of goatfucking and russian asslicking?
ajarians don't want to be a part of Georgia? but they are Georgians. pple like u live and die misinformed. ajarians want to be seperated another fairy tale from russians..
russia will eat you.. look around russia has no partners. it has only vassals, russians don't respect ur traditions and culture.ok I admit gamsakhurdia was a freak, but he is long in the past. see what happens in chechnya, dagestan, u think russians are good for caucasus? we have different traditions, why'd u sell urself to alcoholic pigs? Im sure 100 % one day u'll regret that.
Look at batumi.. when Abashidze was there, (he was kremlin puppet) tried to implement the same hatred to georgians.. there was a very tense period and clashes.. but Abashidze is gone, and Look now how happy adjarians are.. they have autonomy and look how they live.. look at Batumi so many things built there.
A terrible find has been made by the local residents of the mountains of Abkhazia, near the spot where clashes with the sea-born landing troops (attempting to cut the Ochamchire-Sokhumi highway) had taken place..Pieces of a human body were hanging on long wires from tree..Those were remains of two skinned Georgian men..It is not only soldiers that are killed. In the same woods, near one village there I found a corpse of a pregnant Georgian women. She had been raped and disemboweled[40]
When [Abkhaz] entered Gagra They were raping and killing everyone who was captured and dragged from their homes. The Abkhaz commander Arshba raped a 14 year old girl and later gave an order to execute her. I only could hear the screams and cries of the people who were brutally tortured. On the next day, I witnessed the mass execution of people on the stadium. They installed machine guns and mortars on the top and placed people right on the field. It took a couple of hours to kill everybody[47]
The ethnic cleansing and massacres of Georgians has been officially recognized by the OSCE conventions in 1994, 1996 and again in 1997 during the Budapest, Lisbon and Istanbul summits.The [Abkhaz] separatist forces committed widespread atrocities against the Georgian civilian population, killing many women, children, and elderly, capturing some as hostages and torturing others ... they also killed large numbers of Georgian civilians who remained behind in Abkhaz-seized territory
I like russian language, it gives me chance to read russian liteature in origin and it has nothin to do with Pautin and some other coo coo kremlin kriminals!
Im not barbarian like you.. to start hating and killing and displacing whole nation just because of govmnt. as u did in 1996.
россея ваш хозяин с неограниченной властью, сами отдались как проститутки дещевые!!! вот и живите под жириновскими лично мне от этого не горячо и не холодно-)
noone likes us? and whos that noone? russian operated marionaite separatists?
you think we care?
do anyone like you? oh, sorry, noone knows u to like or not to like. Your "president" is like a shameful outlow begging in Moscow .. no decent leader sits with him at the same table/
Yes Russia invaded Georgia in the past too, like many other countries, Poland, Latvia, etc. but we all kicked russians asses outta our countries. Guess who invited them back? osetians and abkhazians, the only RUSSIAN BITCHES on post soviet teritory.
while abkhazian kids are tuaght by russian communist hags how to hate georgians and lick russians, Georgian kids are trained by professionals in international schools.. your future is russia, our future is the world.. you are closed and will degrade, we are open and will develope further.
abkhazia-Georgia war history is written by many independent saurces. in human rights watch report is written abt crimes committed by abkhazians. abt barbarism that abkhazians were doing.. IT was declared as "Genocide of Georgians".not vice versa.
the world knows true history and will never recognise you-)
the "best school in Sukhumi" just showed how ground level you are over there.. also was very very sad to watch georgian kids in Gali, SO much discriminated.. they were fornced to learn all subjects in russian. otherwise they were not allowed at school.
there was a private school, (best in sukhumi) and a russian old communist appearance woman was asking 6-7 years" tell me kids who is ur biggest enemy" -they answered-georgians. than she asked - and who saved u? answer was - russia.
no decent company will invest in ABkhazia, as it is prohibited by international law. even benetton closed before opening, after Georgian's demanded. only investnemts u'll get will be russian, and everything will become russian soon .enjoy.
if you had some brains, you would have now 5 star hotels and high living standarts over there. respect and progress. If not you, Georgia would be in nato and european union.
But I guess for abkhazians that is too much? they prefer ruins, closed space and russian miserable pensions? eh..
I wont, in paleoliti nothing attractive for me personally-)
but one day you will have to return houses and property to displaced, I trully believe in that. because there is no "freedom" based on blood and crimes and barbarism. there will be and must be some justice. all imperias fall. even USSR collapsed.. so rssr is just a matter of time.
hatred ? 2000 years we lived together and one criminal band mxedrioni made you speak abt that? mxedrioni killed many georgians too, it was a criminal band, but you think russian soldiers are better now? in 2001? they looting even worse.
In 90s there was a chaos everywhere on post Soviet teritory.Georgia had problems too.. and You ran away from Georgia like rats, sold yourselves to russian rublez, killed and assacinated many innocent Georgians, your neighbours. You acted like barbarian beasts.
what have you ever created? can you name me ANY famous representative of your people? any movie, any writer, painter, singer, composer, dancer... any war won without licking russia;s ass.?
who the heck you are? you haven't done anything to be proud of.!
"you all"? some tribe so called abpshua, with no culture, no history, with ridiculous alphabet created in 20th century. with language making listeners vomit.. who u are? how u dare comparing yourself with Georgians?
adiqe kapak7 helal olsun bu dans sadece bizim abhazların(abazaların) dansıdır hiç gürcü dansı falan ayak yapmayın yaşasın abhazya yaşasın kuzey kafkasya (abhazya adigey çeçenistan osetya)burda bizlerde varız trde kuzey kafkasyalılar bunu unutmayın daha bizle ilgili fazla bişey bilmiyomuz
Bu ne be arkadaslar gurculere dusman olmayin onlarin sucu yok tabi secimlerde manyak abd usaklarini secmek disinda bir kurt olarak abazyalilari selamliyorum
Amerikanın Yalakası Cahil Gürcüler Şakşakçı Türkler! Demekki Bunlar Zamanında Kürtlerede Aynısını Yaptılar Terorist Ettiler Başlarına! Tr'de 9 Milyon Çerkez Yaşıyor Asıl Savaş Başlamadı Bişey Görmediniz.! Ama Şunu İyi Bilin Biz Yalakalık Olsun Diye Değil Sıkarsak Soyumuz İçin Sıkarız..!! Bağımsız Abhazya!!
sawswrock, fuck your small brain. you ask the same question to one Svan and you will get a correct answer right on the spot by chooping your stupid head. Abxazia is Abxazia, but Apsuas are not abxazians. this is the whole story. Abxazia, of course is Abxazia and is a part of georgia. you know that!!! if georgians are not fighters, what you are than? you're russians' dick suckers. you allowed russians in Caucassus! and you are talking about being Caucassians. stupid tribe. you have always been!
yes.. Abkhazia means Abkhaz people's homeland.. and georgia means georgian people's homeland. we abkhazians don't wish war. only all what we want to live in our country as free. Stalin tied up our country to georgia. but fashist Saakashvili can't do it again.. no way... you aren't as strong as caucassian at battle. we saw it in 1992.
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I am sure caucassu will be free, but Apsuas. they are the only tribe in caucassus, who licked russians' ass, and begged them for russian passports. and they got this. Apsuas got russian passports and you, as an apsua, are telling me that you feel free? are you kidding me? Georgia is free, azeris are free, armenians too... chechnyans will always fight for their freedom. But you will always lick russians' ass, like you are now. I am from caucassus by the way
look my freind, i know svans talk very different from the known georgian language, svans indeed are south caucasians, but if they will want their own caountry too one day, what would goergia do?
the country georgia is like if all north caucasians will unite into a one country (adygs,chechens,ingushs,ossetians,dagestans etc') and one day the ingushs will want to be seperate and have their own country, do the others have the right to wage war against the ingushs in order to make them stay?
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sawserok, are you kidding now? what you said? svans can one day ask for their own republic? where are you from? you came from the moon, I guess... apsuas were like gipsies, moving from one place to another in north caucasus, and one day they came down, to abxazia. you know all this very well, you just want to answer. learn history and than make comments, please. why real abxazians have similar lastnames to georgian's, if they are not georgian. i mean real abxazians, and not apsuas..
abkhazians are not georgians and everyone knows that!! their langauge is not realted to ur language! they are from the same family of the adyghe-Abkhaz family we speak the same basically the same langauge! whats bothering you? Circassia will be free my friend!
Here is the truth: Apsuas are not abxazians.... they are apsuas, a wild tribe from north caucassus. they used to move from place to place... and this way they got to our land, which is Abxazia. real Abxazians have georgian last names. It ends on "ia", "ua" or "va". later apsuas became russian's slaves, and we all know how they won against georgians. today they have russian passports, and russian nationality. and they do not feel bad for this, becouse they never had real nationality. poor souls!
look at abkhazia now!they (russians) are going to send you 150000 russian workers to abkhazia for sochi,soon you will be russians,since you dont have abkhazian schools anymore,russians and armenians will take over your land.don't you see who started this war? if we were united we could join EU and nato,build our country twogether,you can have turists vist abkhazia from all around the world.baghapsh is a russian puppet,listen to what thay (russians) are saying "abkhaz are servents to russians"
abkhazia is abkhazia, just like svaneti is svaneti and mingralia is mingrelia, you know that georgia is built from many caucasian tribes, abkhazians were one from those tribes that didn't want to be related with georgia, they speak differnt language just like svans and mingrelians. so they do deserve independance don't you think?
they are considered as Goergians dude abkhasians are Goergians it is some kind of mith created by some stupid bitches who think that they can seperate our country abkhasians dont even haev their own alphavit to write some literation just language that is one of the georgian dialects. here you go the answer.
Alphabet doesn't make you a nation, when do the modern georgian alphabet has been invented?
georgia is built from many caucasian nations who are want to be united, and abkhazians didn't want to be part of that union, you see it is just like russia with chechens, they want to be seperated from russians but russians don't let them and say that chechnya is russia
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that's what Basaev thought, when he helped Apsuas against us. he hoped that later apsuas would helped chechnyans against russians.... but what happened? Apsuas became russians' slaves, and georgia saved lots of chechnyans by allowing them to come to Pankisi. and how many times russia bombed pankisi, becouse we saved you there? everybody who helped this apsuas against us, is an enemy of caucassus. time will come and you will agree. apsuas are not abxazians first of all. they are apsuas.
Apsua is the real name for abkhazians, just like kartvelians to Georgians and Adyga to circassians and Noxchi to chechens and Galgay to ingushs and such.
if the modern abkhazia is not the apsuas original land then where the exact origin place of apsuas?
Modern Georgia is like a confederation of southern caucasian tribes, svans for example got their own language, which different from georgian, so if they one day will want to seperate from georgia and build their own country SVANIA, what you do?
man! just let it go! ok ok lets say they are georgian?! but all of them united and dont want to be part of goergia? why did that happen? one day u say they came from somewhere else ! then another u say they are goergian! just let it go bro! they dont want ot be associated with Gerogia!! thats it.. bye bye, Proschi, Adieu, arrividerci, shalom, adios,auf wiedersehen..
they are not tatars they are caucasian thay are not indo-euro and also not asiatic thay are what you call caucasoid race but there is also some hither asiatic blood because of inbreed
Thank you fr information but i have to disagree that the abkhazian are not indo-europeans nore asiatic.They must be from an indo european race (japheth)unlike the Armnians and the Georgians.Caucasoid is just the region you have been living for most of your life , peace
they are caucasian, tribes from northen caucasia to be exact. they came down from the hills to georgia, where they were greeted warmly. and that is how they repayed us. they are not abkhazias really, ethnic abkhazians are georgians
indo-european is indo-erupean, asiatic is asiatic, the abkhazians and all other caucasians are not indo-european nor asiatic, they are caucasians, their language is from the caucasian languages which are different from indo-europeans and asiatics
I agree with your comments, but who says the Caucasians are asiatic language? There are a lot of arrogant people out there, who do not know much about the Caucasus and they view us as if we came from the Central Asia. Maybe because some ethnic groups in the Caucasus are really from the Central Asia and from Anatolia. But whatever diffrence is between people, must live peacfully.
i will live in peace with those none caucasian ethnics when they will admit that they are not caucasians and stop tell lies and say that their true origin is caucasian.
they want to steal lands and make their own country on caucasian soil, that i will not accept
who do you think? those are karachay-balkars, ossetians and kumyks from dagestan, those are the none caucasians who say and claims the caucasian traditions and soil.
Thanks for understanding, i know it sounds racist but that is the truth, they should never say that they are caucasians and claim terretories on caucasian soil.
abhazyaaaaaaaaa
mabhaz 1 year ago
продолжение !!!
ussyr 1 year ago
Is there some Hindi music playing in the background, ot is it just me ?
SeldaC 2 years ago
bratia abxazi apomnites paka vas ni praglatila i rusificiravala balshaia ruskaia imperia
mtiulii 2 years ago
and later was changed to Gelati but that was the Georgian church liturgy was in Georgian language as u know Abkhazians had no written language at that time.
14) who wrote that there was,,the Catholikos of Aphsua'', i wrote that Abkhazians received Christianity in 6th century but i wrote nothing whether they had or not there own church and liturgy. yes they had no liturgy and separate church.
ok and none from honest Abxazians are enemies of Georgian church of Gelati.
it is funny is not it.
qarzam2 2 years ago
13) the Christianity officially was established under the Emperor Justinian the Great (527-565r.) He orderd to built some major churchs in Abxazia. And liturgy was arrenged in greek language and local churches were under the jurispudence of patriarchate of Constantinople (Byzantium) and only later in the 10 century majority of them were included in the Abkhazian Church under the Catholikos of Abkhazia whose episcopal seat was in Pitsunda
qarzam2 2 years ago
12) ok now abour change of religion. The part of abxazs were converted into Muslim faith the part of them kept the christians faith and one more part of abxazs probably who came from north they were pagans. That is why some of them were pagans but not all of them. Majority were converted into Islam like Lazs or Mes'xetians.
qarzam2 2 years ago
6) Principality of Abkhazia had many wars for example against the principality of Odishi (Samegrelo) throughout 17 and 18century. or against Ottomans and Russians during 18 and 19 century. Find with yourself.
7) what kind of uprise do u mean?
8,9,10,11) questions u forget my dear.
qarzam2 2 years ago
According to Tovma Metsobetsi Armenian author Bagrat V Great was the king of those nations ,,Dral (Dvali), Osed (Ossetian), Imerel (West Georgians, Imerlebi), Mekrel (Mengrelians), Ap'xaz (Abkhazians), Sonk (Svans)', Vrats'i (Kartvels/Georgians), and Mesx (Meskhetians)''. Majority of those nations are the part of Georgian nation today but not the Abkhazians and Ossetians, but during reigh of Bagrat V (1360-95 r.) they were under the Georgian sovereignity.
qarzam2 2 years ago
5) Ya Abkhazians are offspreangs of Abazgs and Apshils according to over mentioned version. Anyway if they are not then were the Abazgians and Aphsars have been lost?! According to georgian, ottoman, russian, Greek sources from 15 century to 19 century in Abkhazia was populated by Abkhazians. Georgian term 'Abkhaz' was used to describe them.
qarzam2 2 years ago
Thus the terms Aphshil/Aphsar/Aphsua are identical. Aphsars were tribs who were united alongside with Abazgs in 7 century as a the principality of Abazgia. capital was Dyoscuria (Ts'khum). Later Abazgian king Leon II received the thone of Egrisi in 785/9.
The term Aphxazi was produced from terms Abazg/Aphsar. It was Georgian term to describe the ancestors of Abkhazians.
qarzam2 2 years ago
4) About connection of terms Abkhazian and Aphsua we have several version. one of them states that before Aphuas were Aphshils (Greek term) in Georgian Aphsars (See the Text of Anon. of Mephe Giorgi-Lasha).
qarzam2 2 years ago
OK i will give u answers in Englis
1) Who wrote that capital was Akua?!
2) Sukhum is a term produced from Tz'khum which is the plant in Svanian or Mengrelian language, but it do not matter.
3)Ethimology Sukhum has no connection with Abkhazians and what does it mean?1 They do not have to live there?
qarzam2 2 years ago
14.где именно находилась резиденция т.н. апсуйского «католикоса»? И по какой причине в 16 веке была перенесена во «враждебный» каждому честному апсуйцу грузинский Гелати?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
13.христианство, как государственная религия, всегда принималась «сверху». Когда и при ком случилось сие знаменательное событие в Апсны?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
12.как получилось, что народ, якобы создавший в раннее средневековье развитое христианское государство с многочисленными памятниками церковного зодчества, спустя тысячу лет впал в махровое язычество?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
6. у всех стран и народов были многочисленные внешние войны. Так вот, когда, где, с кем, и по какой причине воевали апсуа? Места и даты важнейших сражений, кто победил, кто проиграл, в этих грандиозных побойщах?
7.когда, где, и по какой причине происходили восстания?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
4. что общего имеют этнонимы апсуа и апхаз? На чем основано «международно признанное» наименование апсуастана?
5.являются ли абазги предками апсуа, и имеются ли какие либо подтверждения этому? В чем сходство и различия между ними?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
1. в каких исторических документах указано, что столицей Абхазии был город Аква?(Акуа)
2Какова этимология этого топонима?какова этимология топонима «Сухум»? и какое отношение оно имеет к апсуасам?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
yes and please show me the Georgian book dated in 1 century. As far as a know the oldest one is barely dated in 8 century. That is the oldest survived book in Georgian language and the creation of alphabet is dated at 4 century hence the first books were written by 4 century but they are lost. PS nice dance and the girl with flag is beautiful .
qarzam2 2 years ago
hello, u must be abkhazian and i ll give you some questions ok?
to prove abkhazia always been Georgia / in russian
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
WhatKatieDlD. Oe calm down baby if you say that all Abkhazians are Apsua and they came after then how those people get lost themselfs who lived in Abkhazeti region in the middle ages and were named by Georgian sources as Abkhazians?! How are those people were lost alongside with their name?! Besides the terms Aphshil and Aphsny are very close and do not forget that Aphshils recieved Christianity in 6 century, so they also have cultury and history.
qarzam2 2 years ago
but which books dear?
Books in Abkhazian language can be easily placed on 2 shelves, including shakespeare translation-)
chill out..
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I do know what cherqezia is. But do you know that abkhazians have nothing common with cherqez?
If you have any doubts regarding this, read what MONGOLIANS wrote about abkhazs in 15th century historical chronics. It says cherqezs and abkhazs have Nothing in common, and describes both... compares .. u must learn better ur own history.. from real books, not from russian wanna be ones.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
what about osetians last year, , ?
do you believe in the fairytale about 2000 sleeping dead ossetians? in such case I really pitty you... because even kremli officially admitted it was not a precise number.. and changed to 246.
Im not willing to insult anyone on utub or get insulted.. stay polite or get ignored.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
ahahahaha
at least we HAVE BOOKS WRITTEN IN GEORGIAN, ... since 1st century.
and you don't. as far as your alphabet was created in 1953.
as for cherkeska, i have no idea what it is. we could not take anything from north caucasus and we are the oldest country in the region, with armenya.
please.. u hate georgians, otherwise u wouldn have made their genocide in 1992.dont speak now as innocent.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
thats why u always hated us, Georgians. because comparing with us u always felt yourself miserable.. . coz of our rich history and culture.. look at your dance.. it is a mix of georgian and kabardo-ingush elements.. nothing your own.
Georgian songs are sent to cosmos as the world treasure..
Georgians always been kind to you APSUA, ur just ungrateful people.. full of hatred and envy..
Abkhazia is ancient Georgian land.. we respect abkazians, not APSUA tribe with alphabet since 1953.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I can't believe that my country supports shitheads like you over the valiant Abkhazian/Ossetian people...
I think Condi Rice and the whole department of state has been asleep for the past twenty years.
Thunk00 2 years ago 3
aha, russian immigrant Vanya representing US
with tribute to SOviet Union video on the homepage/
ahahahaha communist pigs never change
Americans never say "Condi"// russian shit dont speak as American, just stay as u are - brainfucked alcoholic communist dying breed, so called rusky.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
same if France allowed in some african tribe in 18th century. than in 1953 they asked someone to write the alphabet, after they named theirselves corsicans and declare corsica independence.
kill native corsicans and french and force to leave.
you asking for respect. respect is something to deserve my dear. tell me what your APSUA tribe has created except genocide... of course nothing... as you could not even read and write until 1953.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
You did not answer my question.
coz it is an obvious provement real abkhazians always been Georgians. just like megrelians, svans etc.
They all had different dialects spoken but one and only alphabet to read and write.
You telling me abkhazian beautiful churchswere made by barbars who could not read and write until 1953?
Noway, our only mistake is, we shouldn have let in mountain tribe APSUA. with alphabet since 1953 (made by russian!!!)for hospitality we got genocide now and stolen land.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
unwilingly? how do you know that? who wrote ABKHAZIAN history if you had no alphabet?
what language was it written in? In Georgian?
What language was spoken in Abkhazia in 7th century? Georgian? what language Abkhazian Kings wrote? Georgian? So what makes u think Abkhazians are not Georgians? they were.. and you are mountain tribe apsua
u know what alphabet created in 1953 means?
that means ur almost canibals-)) it means until 1953 you could not create ANYTHING. it means ur barbarians
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
It is a very simple question. once again asking you.
how could poeple with alphabet created in 1953 (that means before they could not read and write) independently establish kingdom and develope?
can any barbarian tribe reach some progress without being able to READ and WRITE?
and you calling me Gruzin? u mountain goat with alphabet created in 1953 trying to insult me being Georgian? the one of the first christian countries in europe and ancient unique language and alphabet?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
great point.
Abkhazian language . )
you insisting Abkhazia was never part of Georgia. now you tell me, how could people who had no own alphabet (until 1953) and could not READ and WRITE, build the kingdom, build churches ,, buildings and develope?
It is simplest provement that Abkhazians including kings were Georgians, read and wrote in Georgian..
you are APSUA mountain tribe settled there in 18th century and started writing in 20th.thats why u have not created anythin yet but genocide.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I can send you the pictures of Georgian cities... send me some photos of abkhazian towns and let's compare. it is very simple if you don't believe we have much much better infrustructure and progress...
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
P.S. how is in Abkhazian language" 9 crows sitting on the gate?"
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
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WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
yeah, Im Georgian ... I have a beautiful country with unique history and civilization of 2500 years.. unique alphabet a language//great composers, painters, writers, singers, national ballet, poets, museums..
ur just a shitty mountain APSUA goatfucker, came here in 18th century and stole my land. I believe in Justice, one day u will have to pay for Ethnic cleansing against Georgians .
by that day go get fucked by vanyas and Boryas in ur ass, I DON give a fuck!
smelly assholes, go lick russia
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
this cave boy is completely out of mind-))))
you talk like old soviet comrade..
yeah .. everything is fine, was fine, will be fine-))))
abkhazia is independent country-)))) foreign investors are discussing investments with ABKHAZIAN DIASPORA, you have own telephone code and you are linked on maps as sovereign country..
ahahahahahahaha
dream on... totally idiot. bye! shock therapy will be very very painful.. but u will have to face the truth one day-))!!! pshiupshiuapsh omg. my tongue
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
who are u? abkhazian? where is abkhazia? ahh sure .. Georgia-)) separatist breakaway region.
some have no identity..
you are welcome for my wasted time.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
you are not a "country" at all. you are a forbidden zone. on the maps ur within Georgia. (red spot)you have no telephone code etc. visiting abkhazia is legal only from georgian boarder. citizens of all countries are informed abt the risks. ANY kind of business is prohibited by international law in abkhazia and is illegal.
you can become similar to chechnya or ingushetya if join russia, but you'll never be like Georgia or Azerbaijan - caucasus sovereign independent countries.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
we have great infrustructure by the way. we don't spend money on wars, but to have army close to nato standarts . noone is running to russia. once again, hearing you is the same as Russia Today ... extremely old fashioned staff and boring.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
P.S.
nice decision to name newborn abkhazian twins "Valodya and Dima" to please Putin
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Georgia had to pay for its indepence .. it is the highest price still worth of it... because I don't evn want to imagine living with Russia, and I trully belieeve our future is withing europe and civilized world, not back to USSR.
as for you and ossetians, you are the victims of a big geopolitical game just like us. and if you think russia is stronger than US, and will last longer, ur mistaken.
because every rotten system built on violance and lies will end. like USSR or many imperias before.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
moreover, whatever Georgia offers, you decide nothing nowdays, when russians are taking all major objects from you, building there military bases etc.
even if you wanted to join us back, russia would never let you go. Don't deny this. As not for debates but for yourself you have to admit, now you got both hands tied, and you've lost all your independence (if you had some) after russian recognision. you expected different I know, but now have to face new reality. thats it.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I have no intention to insult you personally, if some statements based on historical facts do insult you, sorry it is your past and recent and your problem to deal with..
therefore stop asking "what I offer". I don't offer anything at all.. im here not for negotiation and some thing aint negotiable and baught with money.. or lost without money.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
yes we have humanrights. ge.
SO?
you blocked UN and all international organisations to hide those human rights violations that happen every day against native Georgians in Gali and other places. why are you so much afraid of truth? coz it is against you. you even don't let in european supervisors .. to have hands untied whenever kremli wants any kind of provocations.
and now please.. don't tell me all the westerns are wrong and corrupted totalitarian russia is right.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
pshyshy boy, thanks for reminding me soviet union-) and my childhood.. with your "speech" full of lies and false optimism.
ahahaha
thanks god those soviet times are far far away and Georgia is on it's right way now with the civilized democratic world..
and some desperate fools like you are on the sinking ship, called Russia or RSSR..
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
ahahahaha
As I said abt 20 comments earlier, the only porpose of you bullshitting here was "someone to read ".
very nice thou.. indeed, it is you to prove and explain. not vice versa. MY truth and the only truth knows the world, thats why only Russia and Nicaragua have recognised you.
the truth is, abkhazia is Georgia, and in 1992 70,000 abkhazians committed ethnic cleansing against 300,000 Georgians, forced them to leave with russian help, for russian money.
It's a history.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
russian dogs barking about independence. . .
dvornyashki
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I said they "MAY HAVE committed".
though I HAVE NOT SEEN any facts, videos, provements, while I have seen dozens of abkhazian barbarism and brutalism.
Can you show me just one video of Georgian war crimes?
not someone reading kgb written text in camera// but real video? I bet you don't. so go sit in the corner.. pshupshu
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
aha... Otar Ioseliani is internationally known Georgian film director who escaped soviet union and lives and works in France. by the way, do you have any film directors? never heard-)
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
SHevardnadze admitted the worst mistake was sending the army , to protect the railway. and maybe mxedrioni committed warcrimes too, as they had power in those terrible times and some were junkies etc. but im 100 percent sure they didn rape pregnant and skin deads. thats the point.
but. I believe it would happen in any case. as it was long ago planned in russia. and russians just agitated u and used u against us. if not russians we could make some solution acceptable for both sides. thats it!
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
No it's shot by a great film director Otar Ioseliani in France. and it is based on facts.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
u must be very young and brainwashed due to your TV propaganda . u believe in brutality and racism of Georgians.
of course noone would tell you about the war crimes abkhaz committed. you have rose glasses on your eyes. whatsoever, on my channlel there is a very realistic clip abt abkhazia war -))) . CIAO!
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
My friend's grandparents old people were hiding in Gagra in the basement. and their neighbour helped them to escape. SO obviously there are some good people too.. but they saw how abkhazs shot old couple just because they were Georgian, opened the door and staight shot them. woman survived the wound.. the man died.
Such facts are dozens. I'd advise u not to speak about brutality and war crimes and barbarism . as far as you are abkhazian, you have no fucking moral right ..!
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
ahahaha u can't even come out from ruins.. 15 years passed from the abkhazia war.
we had war last year and everything is re-built despite it was a great hit on our economy. SO after russian embargo, russia-georgia war we still have no crisis... and you telling me we are collapsing? in fact russia is collapsing, prices on gas dropped down and nabucco makes it clear... russia is just a matter of time.)))
have some common sense when arguing... be realistic-)))
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
these aint questions but false accusations . kinda "barbaric violence" "killing civilians".......I don't comment lies.
IT IS YOU WHO DID not answer my simple question based on true fact- about asscasinating Shartava and his pple.!
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
YOU IGNORED one main issue.
As you saying, russians exspelled many abkhazians . thats true. many were forced to leave because of RELIGION. who did not want to become Orthodox were forced to escape. many escaped to turkey (100,000 or smth)(mudjahirs)
you also insisting abkhazs are christians, and only few are muslims (like georgians). you contradicting yourself. it comes out majority of abkhazs were muslims and that is true, APSUA are muslim tribes from north caucasus. not orthodox REAL abkhazs
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I did not ignore, I 'm not gonna comment all ur russian propaganda.
b)russians invaded us after signing "giorgievsky traqtat" and as occupants they never asked permission of doing anything to local people. no alliance.
d) after the war, and during crisis, our economy still did not collapse. that indicates we don't live just on "aid".
e) call my govmnt whatever i don mind but in fact they are not corrupted. anti -corruption reform in Georgia was one of the most succesful from many others.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I've been in many countries and most illegal immigrants I've seen there are russians . including famous russian prostitutes. living standarts in Georgia aint worse than in Russia. if ur told we are poor and collapsing, thats a lie. come to tbilisi and see, noone will kill you coz u are abkhazian -))))
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
well, As long as u can't be independent, (and u can't ) I think you could live much much better in Georgia than in Russia. Iknow how russians treat vassals, I know their mentality. In Georgian U'D LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY, now you live in RUSSIAN MILITARY BASE WITH NO EXIT. You chose russia, so lets see what happens/ I am sure u will regret it one day.
Лицом к лицу лица не увидать,большое видится на расстоянии-))
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
ur funny... "invaded ur country"? It is my country by international low. and by moral low too.. because abkhazs were 70.000 17% (minority) and Georgians 300,000 - majority of population when the war started. Invaded ur country? LOOL u serious?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
As for your statements. once again, you are copying russian smi. that Georgia is poor country, used by USa. This is not true. US is our strategical partner. don't know what it means? your problem.
yes true, we do have much to work.. but even now our living standarts and mental standarts are much much better than in 90ies. I would not even compare.. and what is done in abkhazia? frozen place.. i've seen videos and I know it is still in ruins and very very low level. do you deny?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
do you?
did you comment directly on SHARTAVA case. on skinned and raped pple. pple shot just because they were Georgian. go ahead/
the rest is really propaganda and Im really tired of reading it. You are repeating russian TV news.. I wanted to hear "abkhazian attitude and point of view"... if some still exists.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
today in ABkhazia inprisoned 2 Italian journalists. they questioned pple and pple's comments were full of dissapointment.
also 2 French journalists said the same on Georgian Tv.. noone is happy over there, abkhazians understand what a shit this "independence" is turning into.
Балалаики абхазам не хватает для полного счастья-)))) тупые козоебы
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
ABKHAZIA committed suicide by selling theirselves to russia.
A big mistake!
even if russians fuck u hard> u have now no place to go to complaint. real idiots. ABkhazia will never be independent. NEVER! EVER!
u must be honest and say like this : LONG lIVE RUSSIAN pussies -ABKHAZIANS.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
bla bla bla.
thanks anyways, now I am aware of abkhazian propaganda-)
P.S. noone uses us. money from gas and oil pipelines are spent on us, pple.. or now u will try to convince Georgia is corrupted like russia and money goes to elite? ok whatever u say. Let's see how u sing when nabuko starts.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
we have income in budget from every single project and investment. In abkhazia invest only russians, and they don't care abt law. now think who is being used. who's rights are protected etc. no decent company will invest in abkhazia, it is prohibited by low.
and stop calling me honey, avoid me such familiarity. lmao. and stop pretending ur christian, abkhaz majority are muslims.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
u know all this but u are afraid of us. coz if we are back, u think we will revenge. and u think we take back everything u stole from us. houses etc. thats why u think u have no choice but russia. and u fooling urselves with ridiculous "independence" etc.
maybe ur right.. u committed things one could hardly forgive.. but generations change so maybe in the future we have much in common than today. and maybe one day u'll burn russian passports and ask for european. lets see what happens-)
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Gamsakhurdia was forced to escape outta here, coz we don't tolerate dictators. If not Abkhazia and Ossetia conflicts, today we would be like switzerland in caucasus. and U'd have ur autonomy and fucking money and great resorts there. ur just idiots. look how we live and how u live. compare batumi and sokhumi... and these wars are like pain in our asses. we could make a great country. but nah, u chose licking russian communist asses. u committed suicide.. u never be independent .
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
u have no honour and I have nothing to prove u.. If i would have to kill russian children and women for my "independece" I would not. U sold urselves for money . u don't know what is independence.
everyone likes us.. except russians and some caucasus mountain tribes maybe.. oh armenya.. but they don like anyone at all. so chill out...
we are not nazists. we never insult other nationalities here. many ossetians and abkhaz live here. u must know this.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I understand in the war each side has its own truth, but there are things that both sides must respect..
u assascinated Shartava and many many people.. without court or smth.. just shot. don't dare to deny.. there are videos on youtube. you killed children. women. old people. I know this from refugees... just shut the fuck up. Georgian would never do such beasty things. we are christians!
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
write in Google "Genocide of Georgians in Abkhazia" and there u are. read facts, what ur people did (including stadium massacre, raped pregnant women and skinned people hanging)... and then tell urself u are civilised pple. I've made my conclusions long ago.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
IS that u wanted? Guess no. If u were more clever, ud avoid that bastard kokoiti. they wanted to live in russia. and u have some natsionalism left inside don't u?
Do u see any future over there? russians will take from u all major objects, they see in u cheap workers.. nothing more. U have to always be gratefu to them.. smile motherfucker smile-)
As our patriarch said, and he is a very clever man, for u this "independence" will turn in to punishment.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Noone likes us? damnn.. how do ya kno? do you have international relations? :) can u get visa with abkhazian passport?
I can assure u, we have more partners in the world then ur dear lord Russia. even belorus did not recognise u. u still not getting? russia did not gave u independence, they made u FULLY dependant on them. and u dance?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Georgian Kings were "Kings of Abkhazia, qartli etc." Abkhazia is ancient georgian land. Stop misinforming people. are u writing this for some american or europenan to read and recognise u? LOL... please... avoid me of this Staling lies. me and u know the truth. enough propaganda here from u. Abkhazians and Georgians lived together well until russians came.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
wtf u totally brainwashed?
Some muslims escaped abkhazia from russian imperia coz regarding religious purposes and fled to turkey (mudjahirs).
APSUA are mountain muslim tribes, ur more related to chechens and kozaks than to Georgia and Abkhazia, ancient georgian christian land.
Stalin hated Georgia, stop bullshitting here, and writing fairy tales.
Megrelians and lazs are christian ancestors of real abkhazians, not u, muslims barbarians burning churches.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
what propaganda u idiot I read it on wikipedia, the world's largest enciklopedia. now don't tell me wikipedia is distorting facts and ur local Tv channels and russia today are the only truth.
rofl
don't ever dare to "shame me"// I don't have my hands in blood of my neighbour. Im not living in my dead neighbour's house/
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
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WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
the saddest thing is these people aint abkhazians at all.
They are APSUA barbarian muslim tribes, that were settled in abkhazia from mountains by russians.(during russian imperia).
true abkhazians are "LAZS". christians, blue eyed and white skinned, not this goatsfucker muslims.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
IN 1992 Abkhazians were 17 percent of Abkhazia population. the Minority. 70.000 (one stadium). RUSSIA ARMED AND BACK_UPED stadium declared "independence" LOL and forced 260.000 native Georgians to leave. (with the help of other north caucasus barbarian tribes such as kozaki etc.)
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
you never kicked anyones ass kazayobi mlin , u and osetians got no own balls against us..without russia we can have u anytime!
the funniest thing is... USSR collapsed.. and RSSR is just a matter of time. so enjoy slavery and balalaika,
we'll be right there when russians live!)
CIAO
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
haha I don worry at all... Im having wonderful life.. and you living in poverty.. I can go anywahere, and you even don't have own pasports but russian.
because abkhazian pasport will be put in ur ass at any embassy
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
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WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
noone Invades OWN COUNTRY . ur trashy logic is ridiculous. ever heard about international law and separatism?or in pshupshu schools ur taught different low of goatfucking and russian asslicking?
LOLZ
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
no ur stupid ..don't watch too much russian TV .
ajarians don't want to be a part of Georgia? but they are Georgians. pple like u live and die misinformed. ajarians want to be seperated another fairy tale from russians..
ur such a fool
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
russia will eat you.. look around russia has no partners. it has only vassals, russians don't respect ur traditions and culture.ok I admit gamsakhurdia was a freak, but he is long in the past. see what happens in chechnya, dagestan, u think russians are good for caucasus? we have different traditions, why'd u sell urself to alcoholic pigs? Im sure 100 % one day u'll regret that.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Look at batumi.. when Abashidze was there, (he was kremlin puppet) tried to implement the same hatred to georgians.. there was a very tense period and clashes.. but Abashidze is gone, and Look now how happy adjarians are.. they have autonomy and look how they live.. look at Batumi so many things built there.
Are u all blinded with false hatred?eh..
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I can show u dozens of videos of tortured georgians AND refugees freezing on its way in snow, little kids killed/.
they escaped 100% death, and now u telling me u not barbarians killing innocent, (not soldiers )?
no no no... today many russians, osetians and abkhaz living in tbilisi.. we dont touch them. we obviously are different.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
SO whhat??? Jiirinovsky calls u oficcial slaves on national TV, go and kill all russians niow. u have no balls. eh???
and Russian generals and chlens of DUMA call for genocide of georgians every day..
SHall we start killing ALL russians living in entire Georgia. whats the logic??? words of some person or facts?? lmao
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
A terrible find has been made by the local residents of the mountains of Abkhazia, near the spot where clashes with the sea-born landing troops (attempting to cut the Ochamchire-Sokhumi highway) had taken place..Pieces of a human body were hanging on long wires from tree..Those were remains of two skinned Georgian men..It is not only soldiers that are killed. In the same woods, near one village there I found a corpse of a pregnant Georgian women. She had been raped and disemboweled[40]
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
When [Abkhaz] entered Gagra They were raping and killing everyone who was captured and dragged from their homes. The Abkhaz commander Arshba raped a 14 year old girl and later gave an order to execute her. I only could hear the screams and cries of the people who were brutally tortured. On the next day, I witnessed the mass execution of people on the stadium. They installed machine guns and mortars on the top and placed people right on the field. It took a couple of hours to kill everybody[47]
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
The ethnic cleansing and massacres of Georgians has been officially recognized by the OSCE conventions in 1994, 1996 and again in 1997 during the Budapest, Lisbon and Istanbul summits.The [Abkhaz] separatist forces committed widespread atrocities against the Georgian civilian population, killing many women, children, and elderly, capturing some as hostages and torturing others ... they also killed large numbers of Georgian civilians who remained behind in Abkhaz-seized territory
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I like russian language, it gives me chance to read russian liteature in origin and it has nothin to do with Pautin and some other coo coo kremlin kriminals!
Im not barbarian like you.. to start hating and killing and displacing whole nation just because of govmnt. as u did in 1996.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
А почему русский язык глупый, аж неприязнь к хозяевам-)))) ??и ваш алфавит из русских букв сделан вроде-)
ну презик у вас клевый прям директор супермаркета и кокоиты гаищник ну и пара позорище . приглашают в москву раз в год сияют от счастья-)))) млинн
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Убогость !!! И ЗАЛАДИЛИ НЕЗАВИСИМЫЕ.
россея ваш хозяин с неограниченной властью, сами отдались как проститутки дещевые!!! вот и живите под жириновскими лично мне от этого не горячо и не холодно-)
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
blah blah blah
You are slaves more than ever.
Me personally don't care about you. I don't like you, even if I want to go to the seaside I'd chose some comfotable and fashionable resort not ruins.
But, I do care for 260.000 displaced, left without the graves of their ancestors. I do care abt justice.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
а-нука плясать пшшел под русскую балалайку чиортов пшупшу
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
noone likes us? and whos that noone? russian operated marionaite separatists?
you think we care?
do anyone like you? oh, sorry, noone knows u to like or not to like. Your "president" is like a shameful outlow begging in Moscow .. no decent leader sits with him at the same table/
POZOOOOOOOOr
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Lol you sick?
Yes Russia invaded Georgia in the past too, like many other countries, Poland, Latvia, etc. but we all kicked russians asses outta our countries. Guess who invited them back? osetians and abkhazians, the only RUSSIAN BITCHES on post soviet teritory.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
while abkhazian kids are tuaght by russian communist hags how to hate georgians and lick russians, Georgian kids are trained by professionals in international schools.. your future is russia, our future is the world.. you are closed and will degrade, we are open and will develope further.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
abkhazia-Georgia war history is written by many independent saurces. in human rights watch report is written abt crimes committed by abkhazians. abt barbarism that abkhazians were doing.. IT was declared as "Genocide of Georgians".not vice versa.
the world knows true history and will never recognise you-)
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
the "best school in Sukhumi" just showed how ground level you are over there.. also was very very sad to watch georgian kids in Gali, SO much discriminated.. they were fornced to learn all subjects in russian. otherwise they were not allowed at school.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
recently watched French documentary abt abkhazia.
there was a private school, (best in sukhumi) and a russian old communist appearance woman was asking 6-7 years" tell me kids who is ur biggest enemy" -they answered-georgians. than she asked - and who saved u? answer was - russia.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
The scene was disgusting (kinda lesson). reminded me of soviet schools and total brainwashing, but even worse.
I pity those kids, obviously they are trained to become a brainwashed russia's slaves with hatred to georgians.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
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WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
stop writing bullshit. Stalin settled there some tribes apsh or smth from mountains.. goat people. and Orjonikidze gifted sochi to russia.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
no decent company will invest in ABkhazia, as it is prohibited by international law. even benetton closed before opening, after Georgian's demanded. only investnemts u'll get will be russian, and everything will become russian soon .enjoy.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
if you had some brains, you would have now 5 star hotels and high living standarts over there. respect and progress. If not you, Georgia would be in nato and european union.
But I guess for abkhazians that is too much? they prefer ruins, closed space and russian miserable pensions? eh..
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
I wont, in paleoliti nothing attractive for me personally-)
but one day you will have to return houses and property to displaced, I trully believe in that. because there is no "freedom" based on blood and crimes and barbarism. there will be and must be some justice. all imperias fall. even USSR collapsed.. so rssr is just a matter of time.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
hatred ? 2000 years we lived together and one criminal band mxedrioni made you speak abt that? mxedrioni killed many georgians too, it was a criminal band, but you think russian soldiers are better now? in 2001? they looting even worse.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
In 90s there was a chaos everywhere on post Soviet teritory.Georgia had problems too.. and You ran away from Georgia like rats, sold yourselves to russian rublez, killed and assacinated many innocent Georgians, your neighbours. You acted like barbarian beasts.
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
free abkhazia?
ahahahaha
you are slaves now more then ever!
an official military base! enjoy!
poor people,,
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
what have you ever created? can you name me ANY famous representative of your people? any movie, any writer, painter, singer, composer, dancer... any war won without licking russia;s ass.?
who the heck you are? you haven't done anything to be proud of.!
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
"you all"? some tribe so called abpshua, with no culture, no history, with ridiculous alphabet created in 20th century. with language making listeners vomit.. who u are? how u dare comparing yourself with Georgians?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
Abkhazia was even in Georgian Kolxis empire, more then 2000 Years Abkhazia was Georgia, and you Think Vania or Boria can take it from us?
WhatKatieDlD 2 years ago
God bless Abkhazia 6 S. Ossetia!!!
You have your INDEPENDENCE now!!! :D
antiwestpropaganda 2 years ago
do anybody believe in tales? if so go on..but remember Abkhazia is GEorgia.
tamolb 3 years ago
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mylifeislikewow 3 years ago 3
FREE ABKHAZIA
AYAYRA
sosriqua7 3 years ago 2
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bizimozgun 3 years ago 2
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TETiK1 3 years ago
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Speak human language you Abkhaz monkey. Abkhazia is only for Russia, not for you.
You are not white, you dark faced Abkhaz.
ProtasovXleb 3 years ago
måshållåh! iz svecia ,:-)
BaltiSkandidos 3 years ago
krasiva tancuiut,asaaa!
xevsurigio 3 years ago
yes, armenians will sell their own mother and sister for money. of course they would sell georgians for getting georgians' houses..
kesaria1 3 years ago
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i don't see any Abxazhians..!
i just see some ugly Armenians and fat drunk russians and cossack people...!!
and please don't talk about that, that we are weak at battle..!
you know, 16 march? we killed 1200 fighter from Armenia and Cossacks, and every day could been like this, but everytime
the russians send you more and more fighters..
so you're the pussies not we..!!
Beatz4Krieg 3 years ago
look at this Apsua dancer boy. does not he looks like a shepard? what else you can do? beside of licking Russian's' ass? nothing!
kesaria1 3 years ago
sawswrock, fuck your small brain. you ask the same question to one Svan and you will get a correct answer right on the spot by chooping your stupid head. Abxazia is Abxazia, but Apsuas are not abxazians. this is the whole story. Abxazia, of course is Abxazia and is a part of georgia. you know that!!! if georgians are not fighters, what you are than? you're russians' dick suckers. you allowed russians in Caucassus! and you are talking about being Caucassians. stupid tribe. you have always been!
kesaria1 3 years ago
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sewserok, Georgian is english translation of Kartveli.
kesaria1 3 years ago
yes.. Abkhazia means Abkhaz people's homeland.. and georgia means georgian people's homeland. we abkhazians don't wish war. only all what we want to live in our country as free. Stalin tied up our country to georgia. but fashist Saakashvili can't do it again.. no way... you aren't as strong as caucassian at battle. we saw it in 1992.
A6A3A 3 years ago 3
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I am sure caucassu will be free, but Apsuas. they are the only tribe in caucassus, who licked russians' ass, and begged them for russian passports. and they got this. Apsuas got russian passports and you, as an apsua, are telling me that you feel free? are you kidding me? Georgia is free, azeris are free, armenians too... chechnyans will always fight for their freedom. But you will always lick russians' ass, like you are now. I am from caucassus by the way
kesaria1 3 years ago
look my freind, i know svans talk very different from the known georgian language, svans indeed are south caucasians, but if they will want their own caountry too one day, what would goergia do?
the country georgia is like if all north caucasians will unite into a one country (adygs,chechens,ingushs,ossetians,dagestans etc') and one day the ingushs will want to be seperate and have their own country, do the others have the right to wage war against the ingushs in order to make them stay?
Sawserok 3 years ago
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sawserok, are you kidding now? what you said? svans can one day ask for their own republic? where are you from? you came from the moon, I guess... apsuas were like gipsies, moving from one place to another in north caucasus, and one day they came down, to abxazia. you know all this very well, you just want to answer. learn history and than make comments, please. why real abxazians have similar lastnames to georgian's, if they are not georgian. i mean real abxazians, and not apsuas..
IamGeorgian 3 years ago
abkhazians are not georgians and everyone knows that!! their langauge is not realted to ur language! they are from the same family of the adyghe-Abkhaz family we speak the same basically the same langauge! whats bothering you? Circassia will be free my friend!
kabardinpshi 3 years ago 2
Here is the truth: Apsuas are not abxazians.... they are apsuas, a wild tribe from north caucassus. they used to move from place to place... and this way they got to our land, which is Abxazia. real Abxazians have georgian last names. It ends on "ia", "ua" or "va". later apsuas became russian's slaves, and we all know how they won against georgians. today they have russian passports, and russian nationality. and they do not feel bad for this, becouse they never had real nationality. poor souls!
IamGeorgian 3 years ago
Abkhazia is Circassian Land AssssAAAA
HAHAH:)
Lezginka4ever 3 years ago 4
look at abkhazia now!they (russians) are going to send you 150000 russian workers to abkhazia for sochi,soon you will be russians,since you dont have abkhazian schools anymore,russians and armenians will take over your land.don't you see who started this war? if we were united we could join EU and nato,build our country twogether,you can have turists vist abkhazia from all around the world.baghapsh is a russian puppet,listen to what thay (russians) are saying "abkhaz are servents to russians"
geobrklyn 3 years ago
afkhazia is GEORGIA idots!!!!!! and we will get it back! u betrated your own ansestors and your real country GEORGIA!!!
gujuja14 4 years ago
abkhazia is abkhazia, just like svaneti is svaneti and mingralia is mingrelia, you know that georgia is built from many caucasian tribes, abkhazians were one from those tribes that didn't want to be related with georgia, they speak differnt language just like svans and mingrelians. so they do deserve independance don't you think?
Sawserok 4 years ago 2
14.09.1993 :))))))))))))))))))))))
janimbey 4 years ago
they are considered as Goergians dude abkhasians are Goergians it is some kind of mith created by some stupid bitches who think that they can seperate our country abkhasians dont even haev their own alphavit to write some literation just language that is one of the georgian dialects. here you go the answer.
losdruid 4 years ago
Alphabet doesn't make you a nation, when do the modern georgian alphabet has been invented?
georgia is built from many caucasian nations who are want to be united, and abkhazians didn't want to be part of that union, you see it is just like russia with chechens, they want to be seperated from russians but russians don't let them and say that chechnya is russia
Sawserok 4 years ago
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that's what Basaev thought, when he helped Apsuas against us. he hoped that later apsuas would helped chechnyans against russians.... but what happened? Apsuas became russians' slaves, and georgia saved lots of chechnyans by allowing them to come to Pankisi. and how many times russia bombed pankisi, becouse we saved you there? everybody who helped this apsuas against us, is an enemy of caucassus. time will come and you will agree. apsuas are not abxazians first of all. they are apsuas.
IamGeorgian 3 years ago
Apsua is the real name for abkhazians, just like kartvelians to Georgians and Adyga to circassians and Noxchi to chechens and Galgay to ingushs and such.
if the modern abkhazia is not the apsuas original land then where the exact origin place of apsuas?
Modern Georgia is like a confederation of southern caucasian tribes, svans for example got their own language, which different from georgian, so if they one day will want to seperate from georgia and build their own country SVANIA, what you do?
Sawserok 3 years ago 2
man! just let it go! ok ok lets say they are georgian?! but all of them united and dont want to be part of goergia? why did that happen? one day u say they came from somewhere else ! then another u say they are goergian! just let it go bro! they dont want ot be associated with Gerogia!! thats it.. bye bye, Proschi, Adieu, arrividerci, shalom, adios,auf wiedersehen..
kabardinpshi 3 years ago
Are Abkhazians originaly Tatars or not? Are the considered an indo europeans or asiatic ? thanks
ASSYRIANHERO 4 years ago
they are not tatars they are caucasian thay are not indo-euro and also not asiatic thay are what you call caucasoid race but there is also some hither asiatic blood because of inbreed
Auremio 4 years ago
Thank you fr information but i have to disagree that the abkhazian are not indo-europeans nore asiatic.They must be from an indo european race (japheth)unlike the Armnians and the Georgians.Caucasoid is just the region you have been living for most of your life , peace
ASSYRIANHERO 4 years ago
prićaš srpski?
Auremio 4 years ago
they are caucasian, tribes from northen caucasia to be exact. they came down from the hills to georgia, where they were greeted warmly. and that is how they repayed us. they are not abkhazias really, ethnic abkhazians are georgians
LukeGeoDude 4 years ago
indo-european is indo-erupean, asiatic is asiatic, the abkhazians and all other caucasians are not indo-european nor asiatic, they are caucasians, their language is from the caucasian languages which are different from indo-europeans and asiatics
Sawserok 4 years ago 2
I agree with your comments, but who says the Caucasians are asiatic language? There are a lot of arrogant people out there, who do not know much about the Caucasus and they view us as if we came from the Central Asia. Maybe because some ethnic groups in the Caucasus are really from the Central Asia and from Anatolia. But whatever diffrence is between people, must live peacfully.
God Bless you.
pgthinker007 3 years ago
i will live in peace with those none caucasian ethnics when they will admit that they are not caucasians and stop tell lies and say that their true origin is caucasian.
they want to steal lands and make their own country on caucasian soil, that i will not accept
Sawserok 3 years ago
OK, I understand you. But which ethnic group claims that they are the Caucasians?
pgthinker007 3 years ago
who do you think? those are karachay-balkars, ossetians and kumyks from dagestan, those are the none caucasians who say and claims the caucasian traditions and soil.
Sawserok 3 years ago
You are right my brother.
pgthinker007 3 years ago
Thanks for understanding, i know it sounds racist but that is the truth, they should never say that they are caucasians and claim terretories on caucasian soil.
Sawserok 3 years ago