They are NOT peaceful. They will surround you with their flags, punch and kick you, take you signs whatever. They use their numbers in order to be violent and not get caught.
Fuckin chinese get peace by killing tibetans. Tibet was a country and it will be. Tibetans had suffered enough from u fuckin morons. STOP THE KILLINGS IN TIBET... STOP POPULATION TRANSFER TO TIBET.. TIBET FOR TIBETANS AND CHINA FOR CHINESE.. GET THE FUCK OUTTA TIBET.. U FREAKIN DUMBASSS PIECE OF HOLY SHYTT...
Large populations of Han, Hui, Salar, Monpa, Lhoba, Mongol, Qiang, Dongxiang, Pumi, Lisu, & some several dozen other peoples live in this region. The common phrase, "One People, One Nation", associated with the Free Tibet movement, is not only a lie but a chillingly racist & fundamentally fascist one.
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I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
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china is one of the most ruthless country in world, they killed milliong of their owned people, life in china is nothing but suffer, listen to me chinese brother and sister, we are tibetan we never give up our country, we will encounter each and every step to get tibet back,you killed all our tibetan people, you think they cant do thing, sooner or later you will face the same,
newyorktenzin: Just face the FACTS: Tibet independence has about as much chance of happening as the native Hawaiians regaining independence...ZERO. Listen to the Dalai Lama and stick with Autonomy. He said China's help is needed for Tibet to modernize.
Hope you don't end up getting CULTURAL GENOCIDE living in the U.S....pass those Mac Fries.
Talking about Karma, lets talk about 9 11, and katrina!!! Talking about free tibet, Lets talk about free iraq!!!! talking about human right, lets talk about racism in america!!! TAlking about real Karma, America dollar is dropping, america economy is dropping, very soon america wil be a third world country!!!
100% support for CHina....go China go. Cheer to a strong,advancing and prosperous China..Cheer to China's rise! China has the world's support behind it...the pathetic jealous neo-nazi U.S of ameriKKKa trying to contain and control China will be a complete failure and backfire...just like the terrorist america's CIA supports of the violent riot in Tibet, it actually UNITED Chinese people around the world and even other countries united with China. Dumb nazi ameriKKKa....hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Tibet is an illegally-occupied country where the indigenous population has been horribly abused by the Chinese authorities. China = Nazi racism. Free Tibet!
I love China but the oppression of Tibet is not something to stand up for. These people think Dalai Lama is a terrorist and he so obviously is NOT. Crazy. CCP has much improvment to make in regards to Tibet. What the policy is doing in the region now is, has been and will be illegal and unjust in the world view, INCLUDING NON WESTERN eyes. NICE WESTERN STYLE MUSIC ON THIS VIDEO. Just get your information from sources outside of the Great Firewall of China and ou will have a better understanding.
Having organized armies protest in cities around the world armed with wooden clubs isn't peaceful. It is a hypocritical abuse of the freedoms the west enjoys. Such violent and bad mannered behavior would get them shot in China.
Let me reiterate something you said. "I'm saying you should only support your government in the good they do". Yet when I applaud the CCP for doing something right(actually I never even did that much, I merely corrected historical inaccuracies of your post), I'm called a Red or an imperialist. Funnily enough, when I criticize the CCP when they did something stupid, I'm still called a Red or an imperialist. That's just crazy.
10spook01, you arguments are slipping into strawman arguments. Do note that I can merely repost quotes to prove that these things that you imply I've said simply isn't something I've said.
China is a great country without Imperialism and hyper-nationalism. In the same way the US is a great country without Imperialism and hyper-nationalism.
You say all these negative words yet you have yet to provide any historical facts to back it up. Besides, communism wasn't even much of a power(if at all), during the 1930s.
Lol, where did I even put hpyer-nationalism or Imperialism under the discussion? Besides the red herring, there's also historical inaccuracies. Imperialism means using a colony's natural resources to import to the mother country, in which the mother country uses that material to make products to sell back to the colony. If anything, as with the case with Tibet, usually it's the exact opposite.
The real problem with the PRC is taking a side in Tibet's struggle for power instead of trying to make them "harmonious". The yellow hats vs the black hats, along with the rifts of numerous religious sects. Them going against the Dalai Lhama would of course go against the yellow hat, and it's along the lines of keeping Catholics for the Pope. Of course, in this case the Dalai Lama can't have his way either. He has these silly ideas such as kicking every non-Tibetan Chinese out of the region.
So I say, let him come back but don't give him any power. Rule by the Dalai Lama, even if it's only in religous affairs, would(contrary to what the media tells us) be in sore disagreement with most Tibetan sects, who have their own lamas to support. Just let him reign over his own sect which has been picked on by every other Tibetan sect, along with the PRC, for so long.
Bull, there IS no seperate "sects" warring with each other in Manchuria, if Japanese people talked of how the imperial family should stop taking sides in political relgious conflicts in Manchukuo, no one would know what they're talking about. Seriously, do you even read my posts or do you just stuff words into my mouths. Last time I checked that post you responded to was a criticism of the PRC, about a problem that actually EXISTS.
I understand Anthrophobia that you support harmonious Imperial tactics.
Once again if Imperial Japan still owned the Chinese people they would have programs giving Chinese special placements in Japanese language schools, regional subsidies/imperial dependence and programs/tax incentive for Japanese to relocate to China.
Lol. If I say the PRC should try to make Tibetan sects get along with other Tibetan sects, you call me an imperialist. How wonderful. Ad hominem.
Now why are you ignoring the differences that I posted? No one in Manchuia wanted Japanese rule, but plenty in Tibet prefer CCP rule. Japan saw Manchuria as a seperate colony, CCP saw Tibet as just another province. The historical inaccuracies can go on and on.
If you accuse me of being an "imperialist" simply by relating Tibet with Manchukuo, how the more easily could I accuse you of being a supporter of slavery by relating Tibet with the American Civil War. That's how the Chinese sees it anyway, though it's not how the Gov in Exile sees it of course.
Tibet IS a part of China, that is something that my people have come to live with and agree with a long time ago. We call for a special state within China where we are allowed to manage our own cultural ...and return the Lama to his true rule, to guide my people in our worship.We do not want separation from China, simply because Tibet will not survive without a massive aid, from food and power, to services provided by the
I though Chinese would be more sympathetic and understanding to the Tibetans plight having been under the boot of Imperial Japan. Being ruled by foreigners with different customs, language and beliefs is rarely fun.
Do not waste your time to talk/explain to Chinese Communists. They never understand human rights, democracy. The more they say/defend CCP the better people see how
And where did I say anything "facist"? Facist too has a "morality" behind it, a morality that killed millions of people. So plz, point it out to me. Last time I checked I accused the CCP of disrepect/ignorance for Tibetan religion as well as the oppressing of the upper class. If that's facist what does that make you?
Now where did I label CCP as a race? And even if I did, you are merely turning a gramtical error into an attack argument. As if it has anything to do with Tibet in general.
My time would be completely wasted if I didn't tell you how I really feel. The truth is that EVERYTHING in this Universe happens for a reason,it is called Karma,as much as I wish that the Tibetans were treated better by the Chinese and vice versa it is their Karma to share their land and work out their differences.I was reborn in a peaceful prosperous country due to my Karma and you had the opportunity to come here because of yours.LOVELOVELOVE that is the most important.God is LOVE,so are YOU !
They say they're separate from the government but when the Chinese had the choice between Democracy and Communism they picked Chairman MAO over Chiang Kai Shek. It's A CHINESE GOVERMENT RUN BY CHINESE, HOW ARE YOU SEPARATE FROM YOUR GOVERMENT? IF YOU'RE PROUD OF YOUR COUNTRY, YOU MUST BE PROUD OF HOW IT'S GOVERND. YOU'RE COUNTRY IS YOUR GOVERNMENT. You're Chinese double think is insane!!!
Considering your repeated tactics, I'll just copy/paste what I said earlier.
Ah, the result of people who have their backs against the wall. Now where did I say that I said what you stated? NO WHERE. Because you, in your desire to mentally masturbate, cannot counter sophisticated discussion and have to resort to talking about things that I have never said, ergo stuffing words into my mouth. Brilliant.
AND as a history correction, Chaing Kai Shek wasn't democratic. China might had a faint hope of being a democracy with a nationalist/communist party, but the guy ruined it when he started a communist purge which caused the Chinese Revolution. And you tell me to learn history. tsk tsk
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
If you copy/paste, I see no reason why I shouldn't copy/paste. Two can play at the game.
"Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people. "
You do realize this is making you look more racist by the second don't you?
I dont think chinese choose MAO, he won in the war, he wasnt ellected or so!!!
country equals goverment??? that wasnt so even in ancient china where emperor just had a mandate from TIAN to govern,, if he was bad leader, people had the right to take this mandate away..thats how they dinasties where overthrown with help of rebels.. no you dont have to be proud of your govement if it is corupted.. even Wu Yi said party is full of coruption, and it acts as if it is bigger than law!!
GOD, YOU ARE SOOOO STUPID, WHAT THE HELL????? DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE GOVERMENT NEEDS THE SUPPORT OF YOU MAGGOT PROTESTERS!!! Yes, of course killing those Chinese people is wrong and if those Tibetans did it for no reason they should be tried and put in jail or executed. What does that have to do with YOU ? You're arguments are insane, the Chinese say they're seperate from the Chinese government and yet you wave the government flag.
Wow very funny. You're getting desperate, aren't you. Now let me reiterate:
Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people.
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
If you copy/paste, I see no reason why I shouldn't copy/paste. Two can play and the game.
"Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people. "
Some Americans, who know NOTHING about the bad things that America has DONE ARE VERY PROUD OF AMERICA. Similarly SOME Chinese ARE VERY PROUD OF CHINA who know nothing of the astrocities committed by the Chinese government. The Great Leap Forward caused the greatest famine in HUMAN HISTORY. Yet because you know nothing about history you wave the flag of a government that starved TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. That's HYPOCRITICAL, as I said before.
Ah, the result of people who have their backs against the wall. Now where did I say that I said what you stated? NO WHERE. Because you, in your desire to mentally masturbate, cannot counter sophisticated discussion and have to resort to talking about things that I have never said, ergo stuffing words into my mouth. Brilliant.
Anyway(despite the fact I mentioned neither history nor past gov wrongdoings), just because these "tens of millions of people" died from the GLF does not give the right for protesters to kill 22 more. And you say I'm bad at math.
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
LOL, didn't you paste this? Well, maybe I'll just paste it too. B/C I love making racists look bad, since they're so racist anyway. Here's my response:
Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people.
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people.
OK, let's get one thing straight: #1 it's AD HOMINEM!!!! WITH AN M at the end NOT N. I thought maybe it was typo the first time but I guess you're just a pseudo intellectual. #2 You're racism arguments have got to be the most ridiculous EVER!!! The Chinese are some of the most racist people in existence, ask yourself, why can't a western go to China and have their child join the order of Shaolin monks. Only Chinese are allowed. #2 Tibetans don't like prostitution rings.
So instead of attacking my arguments now you attack my spelling as if somehow that'll miraculously make your side of the argument seem stronger. Well, it doesn't.
How am I ridiculous anyway? Not once did I mention "so and so people are" + "something negative". Yet you on the other hand call all Chinese "racists" and "crybabies". That's racism by the book. And seriously, now you are just making stuff up. Most Chinese people, including the gov, have other things to do than focusing on "shaolin monks". And as if that is anything compared with putting pressure on preventing Han Tibetan intermarriage. I say it's not their business who people marry.
Yet the more Chinese come in the more prostitution there is, look every single Chinese person I have talked to regardless of how they fell about China and the government has been BRAINWASHED into believing the Dalai Lama is evil. READ HIS FRIGGIN' BIOGRAPHY!!! HE WANTED TO MODERNISE TIBET!! HE WANTED TO BUILD ROADS, HE WANTED TO EXPOSE TIBET TO THE WEST AND OTHER COUNTRIES.
And once again, when I start talking about the importance of economics over genetics, you switch to something else. Where did I even talk about the Dalai Lhama. Once again you ignored the point. He, like me, accused the rioters. You on the other hand called us "crybabies" instead. But since your argument is so blatantly racist, you have to resort to changing the topic into modernization.
Wow, you must suck at Math, your Jewish argument is like saying 1=3. The Jews were a minority among an oprresive government, that's exactly what the Tibetans are. In any case you're a hypocrite of the highest order, as an autonomous state Tibetans SHOULD have a right to vote for a leader, have freedom of press and freedom of speech it should be THEIR choice if they want a secular society or not. Read the constitution of any democratic countries, do you know what a constitution is ???
More ad hominen. I never said Tibetans were truly automonous. As for the implication to racism: When Han marries a Tibetan, who is the one that accuses of depurifying Tibetan blood. When Han makes business with Tibetan, who is the one who talks of depurifying Tibetan culture. When Han migrate(Tibetans do too), who is the one that talks of keeping Tibet as a land for only the Tibetans to live in? Not Normal Tibetans in Tibet, but the gov in Exile. "Their choice" is not the same as yours.
HE KNEW, that Tibet couldn't be closed forever and to suggest that if the Tibetans ELECTED HIM he would try to change Tibet back to how it was before 1959 is ridiculous!!!
More changing tactics. Kindly point it out to me where I said that. Can't? That's b/c, as before, you can't counter my arguments and thus have to forcibly hallucinate yourself until you see my writings as something beyond what I really wrote.
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
Now where did I say that? No where. I love America and I love China. But I know enough to criticize where it's needed(both have their faults and shortcomings), instead of just being a mentally masturbating asshole like SOME PEOPLE. You seem to hate Han Chinese people more than you care about Tibetans, that's for sure.
And last but not least, it's not so much that "I suck at math" as much as your tactic of constantly switching topics. I'm talking about rioting, and you start talking about "Autonomous". I start talking about "racism" and you start talking about "freedom of speech". All it does is make me be able to tell that you haven't stepped foot in China once, but somehow you have all these pre-conditioned assumptions built up. I'm not "proving" my ignorance, you are.
The Chinese are bunch of unresponsible crybabies. Why are they so proud of their country that represses the Tibetans and their own citizens, look at what they do to the people that practice Falun Gong or Falun Dafa, there are too many cowardly and hypocritical Chinese. The cowards don't tell their fellow countrymen the truth about their lying government and the hypocrites think their country is the best and won't listen to anybody else.
Amazing the degree of racism that gets out of people when your identity is not known, is it? Fine, next time we get killed and the media makes the killers into the victims, we'll just put our heads into a hole and take it, b/c no one wants to be crybabies.
You sound like you might have half a brain Anthrophobia. Fundamentally, the issue is that of the right to self-determination of the Tibetan people. Millions of government-imported Han immigrants and preferential socioeconomic policies, present an urgent threat to the Tibetan nation by stealing economic resources and smothering Tibetan culture.I'm sorry but is just simply HYPOCRITICAL to wave the Chinese flag that represents the oppressive Chinese government that represses Tibetans and it's OWN.
I've read plenty of articles of Tibetans LIVING in China. N/A of them wanted independence, though plenty had a problem with the Chinese government. However, your reply is immoral. I'm talking about one thing and you went on to talk about something else, as if that would magically make my case somehow unfeasible. Besides, this new argument of yours reminds me too much of Nazi persecution of Jews: The Jews own all the business, so lets blame it on the Jews. Your ad hominen attack don't help either
Why can't Tibetans vote or criticize the government? Because Tibet is treated just like any other Chinese province. You just prove that you are either stupid, ignorant or have been brainwashed by the Chinese government into double think. You support the Chinese cause yet you live in democracy that allows you to criticize the government and vote for your leaders. If you believe the Chinese cause is just and right why don't you go back to China ?? I'm guessing I answered my questions above.
Actually, I have read plenty of Chinese articles of Tibetans criticizing the Chinese government, in which the gov constantly send "religious officials" who in fact knows nothing about Tibetan Buddhism. At the same time, they also criticize foreign self-rightiousness in which they have no idea that Tibet is more than a big prison. I don't support the Chinese gov, but I know enough about them to know the real situation. You on however can only resort to attacking me b/c you cant counter my ideas.
Besides, I wonder how you can still say "if you have a problem than go back to China". Hmmm, racism again. Why don't you tell Martin Luther King to go back to Africa?
Besides, if the Han Chinese really came in the 10s and millions, then how the heck did they get their butts wiped in the riot? They would outnumber the Tibetans. No, the landscape itself is already a natural barrier to Chinese immigration due to thin air. It's called "natural migration". It's neither evil nor forced, unless you call migration through economics "forced". To deny people the right to chose their place to live simply due to genetics is racism, period.
It is a good love for one's country that make you proud when a co patriot wines a gold metal. There is also a bad love that makes you blind when your country does wrong.
We've heard excuses like these before. From Imperial Japan in ww2. During Nanking Massacre the population of Nanking actually increased but it doesn't mean the massacre didn't happen. Also the Japanese invested in ww2 heavily in Manchuria saying it benefited the Chinese. Don't be a imperial pawn.
Where were these anti riot protesters in 2005 when Japanese shops were burning in Chinese cities? Before they accuse other's of being bias they should look at them selfs.
This is bad side of nationalism China does not need and is better without.
10spook01, the anger of the Chinese, especially of those who live abroad is ignited when there is a deliberate distortion in the media trying to portrait a bunch of rioters and killers as freedom fighters. The idea behind it is to create a false sense of legitimacy to intervene in other people's business. We see precedents like Ukraine, Georgia and most recently Kosovo. The anger stems from lies and propaganda, which is very stupid and basic. I am angered by it as well.
10spook01, your comparison with the 2005 is misplaced and spurious. The reason for that outburst of anger is the action by the Japanese government to allow part of the history books to be rewritten, which reduces or in some cases totally discards the Japanese rampaging holiday stay in Asia between 1937-1945. Again anger is directed towards people who are set out to lie....
Did the Chinese kill anyone? Did the Chinese attack any Japanese persons in China? Are there any similarities?
I under stand in 2005 the rioting against innocent Japanese shop owners in China was to attack a Japanese companies release of historically bias textbooks. Some would call this trying to in influence another countries internal affairs. It also demonstrated the understandable pent up anger of the Chinese towards Japaneses imperialism. You should understand why Tibetan act in a similar fashion. What do Chinese textbooks say about the invasion of Tibet?
Under Chinese rule for 300 year?? Were not the two empires predating Sun Yat-sen Manchurian and Mongolian? were not Han Chinese and Tibetans alike forced under their Imperial yoke?
10spook01, Sarcasm is a difficult concept to grasp to many. So no shame there. But the second part just is ludicrous to even to contemplate.
The essence of changing dynasties is to take over reign of power. To take over the realm under the former political establishment: all that is under the heaven.
Pretentious is the first word that pops into my mind after reading your words, pretentious indeed!
Oh ya but doesn't your statement dodge the point of my statement? Were not the two empires predating Sun Yat-sen Manchurian and Mongolian? Is not Mongolian also a ethnicity? (Russian or English for that matter)Does this give the Chinese gov the right rule Tibetans or Han?
According by the 1912 abdication of the Dowager, yep. The thinking of Chinese=Han was never developed as solidly as it was in Europe. It's interesting that the west painted China as a multicultural country during WW2, but during the Cold War they painted it more as a Han nation when China became communist, even though communists were much more "I don't give a gibby about your ethnicity as long as you can pay your taxes" as compared with the Nationalists.
Yep you dodged the point of my previous statement or yep those Empires were not truly Chinese? Yep I can can shift topics too...tsk tsk.
So Dowager can take and give away peoples and nations as she pleases? Sounds like the British in the partition of India saying who owns who. Nothing wrong with that. Right?
So you think the Dowager would just give random edicts that she has no power over? Is that how you think I'm dodging the question? I say, bring some proof that the ethnicities listed were NOT under the control of the Qing. I just gave proof that the Qing was multicultural. Or should I ask you why Tibetan delegates chose to go to a Chinese ONLY meeting to draft the Chinese Constituion of the New Republic? Don't ask me, ask them. I'm just laying down historical facts.
I agree their were under control of the mentioned empire. Empire being the key word. Empire that for peoples into confederation with bayonets rather then free will. People should have the right to choice who their rulers are.
I agree they were under control of the mentioned empire. Empire being the key word. Empire that force peoples into confederation with bayonets rather then free will.
People should have the right to choice who their rulers are.
As I said, " Or should I ask you why Tibetan delegates chose to go to a Chinese ONLY meeting to draft the Chinese Constituion of the New Republic?" The Qing conquered the previous Ming/Shun culture with violence as well, but that doesn't make previous Ming/Shun lands as not belonging to them. When it comes to history, leave morality out of it. Things aren't that simple. Otherwise if I own a street I could declare independence and tax anyone who tries to use that street.
Fact is, almost every inch of land was conquered from somebody, during sometime, in one way or another. Major countries just don't fall from the sky. Do they have the right to those lands? Maybe and maybe not. But do they own those lands as theirs? Most definitely.
Yup your right. Why even mention it. As it stands curtain Gov on this planet like to invade others nations and bend people to their will. Some people support this type of gov. Some people like me do not.
It's a necessary evil, just like public education. Because EVERY government is like that, b/c if they don't they'll stop taking opportunities for their country, and when they stop doing that they're outcompeted and die out. Little countries only talk nice because they know they can't beat anybody. Haven't you noticed leaders only talk sweet when they don't have a strong army behind their backs?
I have noticed. Rarely do we see someone that cut through the BS and spin. I myself like to take the issue head on. False statements like Tibet has always been part of China just destroy these protesters credibility.
If you studied history far enough you'll soon realize that nations hardly make descions due to right and wrong, and the line between right and wrong become increasingly hard to tell as nations make up excuses to become more powerful, sometimes at the expense of others. When two wolf packs compete for limited resources in a given area, can you really say which pack is right?
Then your studying history as philosophy, not science. Science is about what is, not what should be. Opinions differ on the latter, but the facts are undeniable in the former.
To think that two wolf packs fighting over resources actually has some morality to it... plz, that's hippie talk. It's cause and effect. Both need something only one can have, so they fight over it in order to survive.
I understand what you have been saying: there is no right or wrong; it's pointless to have a opinion; to science cultures and peoples are less then a grain of sand.
It's called knowing the cause and effect without having your own pre-determined opinions. Otherwise you can't do the greater good. Obvious. It's already shown here where you have given ZERO facts besides your own opinions.
Such as statments such as "in their hearts all Tibetans desire freedom?" Or "I don't believe it despite its source"? Please show me which facts you have provided. Science is great, no matter how much you disagree, the result comes only from the sources that matter. Opinions do not.
So far I have given historic samples, the Qing abdication sample, as well as words from Tibetans themselves. You tried to counter all of this with what YOU think. That's not fact, ,that's POV
Or you could watch the "Tibetan Diary" on youtube. But that's even more pro-Tibet as a part of China, and it's written outside of the PRC, in the United States. The commentary I have is written from inside the PRC, and the latter actually talks of PRC problems along with strengths.
Ironically, the Tibetan Diary was kept from showing on TV due to pressures from the Gov in Exile. Only shows that governments fight each other without real notions of morality
Nope. Here's what you did. I gave examples of the Tibetans themselves, in Tibet, saying they want to be under PRC rule. You responded by saying "I'm not so sure Tibetan support this statement despite it's source. " Just as I predicted, if the facts are laid bare, you try to counter it with personal opinions. All I said was the majority(poor people) like the PRC while the minority(rich people) don't, simply because that's how the usual communist takeover works. You just accuse me of being red.
You are partly correct in saying that much of what I have said is opinion. Thought you're rewording my statements.
If Chinese today were still under Japanese Imperial rule there would be people like me saying free the Chinese and there would be people like Anthrophobia saying ethnics (Chinese) are better off as part of the Japanese Imperial family. And that there is no right or wrong in issues such as this.
Now where did I use "Tibetans are better off" as an excuse for PRC occupation? I admited both the PRC strengths and weaknesses in the governance of Tibet. What did you do? Discard facts on the basis that you chose not to believe them? Again, you stuff words into my mouth.
Thus, I believe I answered your question perfectly. You questioned whether the Qing, being Manchurian, gave the Chinese the right to rule Tibet. Fact is, the Qing was the FIRST Chinese dynasty to even call themselves "Chinese". Thus, I did not doge your question. Give me some sources that the Qing thought themselves as non-Chinese, beyond them being a different ethnicity. Nationalism by genetics was simply a imported concept that never took root.
Most empires hope for homogenization. The Soviets hoped for Russianification as the Arabs hoped for Arabification. North America was made to be like Europe. If you support such acts then it's your own choice as it is my choice to take issue with these acts of democide.
Ah, but now you "dodged" my statement. I was merely stating that the Qing viewed themselves as Chinese, NOT how the Qing tried to convert Tibetan culture into something more similar to Han culture. Besides, they didn't. If anything, they tried a little on making Han culture more in line with Manchurian culture. They left Tibetan culture mostly alone, except for things that made Tibet easier to govern, such as the way of choosing of the Panchen/Dalai lhama and the installment of ambans, etc...
To answer that: Let's face it, China's not giving up Tibet unless you take it from her cold dead hands. The only way to improve life is to ask for better treatment without asking for independence. There are problems, but the Gov in Exile do make unreasonable demands such as kicking every non-Tibetan ethnicity out of Tibet, while the CCP divide Tibetan religious ground into public land as if they know anything about Tibetan Buddhism, which they usualy don't.
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日本人犧牲生命，所以"The Cove"奧斯卡後，繼續屠殺高智慧生物。
日本人重視品質，所以TOYOTA讓世界上廣大使用者殘疾或死亡。
日本人守法，所以連續爆出公私立大學嚴重舞弊。
日本人生活文明，所以亂倫片的輸出量超過歐美。
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我們民族問題是不少，但有的人可能是皇軍慰安婦的兒子，很搞笑。
ohmyholymothergod 1 year ago
...only geographically.
jianfongyaw 2 years ago
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defender4461 2 years ago
日本人勇於認錯，尋求改進；支那人精於說謊，不思長進。
日本人勇於發明，尋求突破；支那人擅常模仿，黑心當道。
日本人犧牲生命，因為愛國；支那人送掉老命，因為賣國。
日本人重視品質，因為細心；支那人重視數量，因為黑心。
fengels12345 2 years ago
日本人守法，因為法律之前人人平等；支那人不守法，因為法律之前還可花錢。
日本人生活文明；支那人生活野蠻。
日本人環境整潔；支那人污染地球。
日本人不畏死亡；支那人避談死亡。
fengels12345 2 years ago
Music sucks dick aswell...
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
They are NOT peaceful. They will surround you with their flags, punch and kick you, take you signs whatever. They use their numbers in order to be violent and not get caught.
CCP mob violence.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
Fuckin chinese get peace by killing tibetans. Tibet was a country and it will be. Tibetans had suffered enough from u fuckin morons. STOP THE KILLINGS IN TIBET... STOP POPULATION TRANSFER TO TIBET.. TIBET FOR TIBETANS AND CHINA FOR CHINESE.. GET THE FUCK OUTTA TIBET.. U FREAKIN DUMBASSS PIECE OF HOLY SHYTT...
loveudrogba 2 years ago
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Large populations of Han, Hui, Salar, Monpa, Lhoba, Mongol, Qiang, Dongxiang, Pumi, Lisu, & some several dozen other peoples live in this region. The common phrase, "One People, One Nation", associated with the Free Tibet movement, is not only a lie but a chillingly racist & fundamentally fascist one.
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JamesBayernHindle 2 years ago
look at that ridiculous amount of chinese migrants in Toronto..get lost
kickyourasspls 2 years ago
fuck china
choklangs 3 years ago
中共一边反对西方帝国主义一边继承清帝国元帝国的领土扩张主义。
YAPONLUQ 3 years ago
哪有领土扩张了？台湾西藏新疆由始以来就是中国的领土，你被洗脑了？中国已经取得了很好的成绩，你丫的没资格骂中共
gmj19870525 3 years ago
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I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
Globalvisual 3 years ago
共匪的红海样搞到自由世界来了，反了它了？
西方各国的政府警察要学点中文，随便到共匪集会现场听就能抓到好多证据可以驱逐他们处境。在别的国家呆着就得懂规矩，共匪阶级斗争无产阶级专政那一套在这里不灵。
我知道有人不服，没关系，当年纳粹也不服，苏共也不服，什么下场？
PandaPo1980 3 years ago
我干嘛就要服呢！干你何事？自由世界？没错 西方是相对自由 你在大陆不自由？大陆政策不好？明主选举？不恶心吗？
gmj19870525 3 years ago
无耻的美国骗子专门欺负中国人啊！西方媒体真是不能看的垃圾！
呵呵！伟大的中国共产党领导的中华人民共和国的崛起当然会让美国鬼子不爽了，这是相当可以理解的！呵呵！
美国这些小肚鸡肠的野蛮人，哪里能了解到有五千年历史底蕴的文明古国的文明与智慧呢。呵呵！
宽宏大度的中国人，你为什么这么善良啊！随着中国共产党领导的中华人民共和国的崛起，正义的中国人民终将战 胜邪恶的美国鬼子！
等着伟大的中国人民解放军来收拾你们这些美国骗子吧！
k278946 3 years ago
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china is one of the most ruthless country in world, they killed milliong of their owned people, life in china is nothing but suffer, listen to me chinese brother and sister, we are tibetan we never give up our country, we will encounter each and every step to get tibet back,you killed all our tibetan people, you think they cant do thing, sooner or later you will face the same,
newyorktenzin 3 years ago
newyorktenzin: Just face the FACTS: Tibet independence has about as much chance of happening as the native Hawaiians regaining independence...ZERO. Listen to the Dalai Lama and stick with Autonomy. He said China's help is needed for Tibet to modernize.
Hope you don't end up getting CULTURAL GENOCIDE living in the U.S....pass those Mac Fries.
banzaidawan 3 years ago 4
好噁心的中國民族主義者，對待任何人都是那麼粗暴，臺灣人早已經領教了中國佬的鴨霸和蠻橫，超不講理的國際沙文主義。這樣的國家完全跟納粹沒有兩樣，還領著一群豬一樣的支那白癡到處煽動仇恨情緒,這樣的民族應該早點從地球上消失,說實話,這次奧運會完全是中共拿賄賂奧會的,其他民主國家希望讓加拿大和日本舉辦,只不過奧會資金周轉01年是有些困難,讓機會給白癡下賤低級的中國純粹是為了和解決一時之需.大家都知道中國是全世界最貪污腐敗的國家.
qiaoermiao 3 years ago
呵呵，一個俾民進黨同阿扁搞到烏煙瘴氣既臺灣人仲走黎啊之啊咗，丟架啦。臺灣又窮又落后，同依家既大陸冇得比，隨口講個深圳都不知好過臺北幾多。。。收啦臺灣！
qqimqq 3 years ago
那台湾怎么不去贿赂啊。哦，对了。钱早被啊扁存到外国户头啊。
Trus90 3 years ago
中国的贪污是尽所皆知的 没办法 有历史的 不过先发展经济 体制慢慢会整的
不过说你确实是垃圾 我丫的真想骂你 算了
看你激动个鸟样 小孩子该长大了
gmj19870525 3 years ago
中国万岁~
rie19880502 3 years ago
Talking about Karma, lets talk about 9 11, and katrina!!! Talking about free tibet, Lets talk about free iraq!!!! talking about human right, lets talk about racism in america!!! TAlking about real Karma, America dollar is dropping, america economy is dropping, very soon america wil be a third world country!!!
jenbecht 3 years ago
Do you think it is good to censor stuff? One truth will defeat all the lies. That's why China censors the media.
ehall007 3 years ago
I love the tank man too.
untivel 3 years ago
100% support for CHina....go China go. Cheer to a strong,advancing and prosperous China..Cheer to China's rise! China has the world's support behind it...the pathetic jealous neo-nazi U.S of ameriKKKa trying to contain and control China will be a complete failure and backfire...just like the terrorist america's CIA supports of the violent riot in Tibet, it actually UNITED Chinese people around the world and even other countries united with China. Dumb nazi ameriKKKa....hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
BruceLeeKickYoAss4 3 years ago
TO: republicoftw & doheil
中国那么差,有种别用中文阿. 你这样的垃圾我见多了.中国混不下去,到了国外一样是二等公民.
垃圾到哪里都是垃圾.
JAYWEN1989 3 years ago
Tibet is an illegally-occupied country where the indigenous population has been horribly abused by the Chinese authorities. China = Nazi racism. Free Tibet!
chefboyardee246 3 years ago
中國狗國的國旗五星旗就是一塊紅色的布上沾了幾塊狗屎!這就是五星旗,東亞病犬!狗的傳人!
doheil 3 years ago
希望你不是臺灣人.因為在加拿大的臺灣人很多都是出口成"臟"的.不要加上你這一個.如果你真的是臺灣人.那我真的只能說怎么這么多臺灣人出口成"臟"
xiaobailp 3 years ago
操你妈的白痴支那猪！中国那么好 还他妈一个二个争先恐后的跑到美国 加拿大移民干什么？滚回中国去阿白痴支那猪！滚去北韩留学阿肮脏的支那橥！你们支那猪已经把中国弄成了一个世界最大的人类垃圾场，请求你们不要再输出垃圾，把全世界都污染了！
republicoftw 3 years ago
WAKE UP CHINESE.....
Craces 3 years ago
---> müüüllll / garbage
yontolous 3 years ago
红卫兵所骄傲的中国：
（转载）讯犯人时实施酷刑，已是相沿已久的一个普遍的问题，中国于公历一九八六年十二月十二日在《禁止酷刑 公约》上签字。从公历一九八八年以後，虽然该公约似乎要在中国正式实施。但对无视或践踏西藏人权的现象并没 有任何的改变。据在监狱中亲身经验过虐待的人士所言，（中国军警）不仅使用电棒、拳打脚踢，使用枪托和铁棍 击打，而且，总是顺手使用手中的任何武器，或利用各种各样、五花八门的刑具实施酷刑。用烟头烫，让电流通过 人身，放狗咬，尤其向女性的阴道捅电棒等，用这些惨无人道、无所不用其极的残酷虐待强逼犯人"招供＂罪行。
最近来自西藏东部、原在西藏曾为中国公安人员的流亡人士指出："在西藏，中国人实施酷刑的种类有三十三种之 多。在公历一九八九年九月的"西藏自治区＂共产党内部文件《要征服别人，必须首先征服自己》之第二版第二十 一页中，中国承认为了对西藏人实施酷刑而制造新刑具的情况。
YAPONLUQ 3 years ago
propaganda
ilyahali 3 years ago
I love China but the oppression of Tibet is not something to stand up for. These people think Dalai Lama is a terrorist and he so obviously is NOT. Crazy. CCP has much improvment to make in regards to Tibet. What the policy is doing in the region now is, has been and will be illegal and unjust in the world view, INCLUDING NON WESTERN eyes. NICE WESTERN STYLE MUSIC ON THIS VIDEO. Just get your information from sources outside of the Great Firewall of China and ou will have a better understanding.
JDBONA 3 years ago
Having organized armies protest in cities around the world armed with wooden clubs isn't peaceful. It is a hypocritical abuse of the freedoms the west enjoys. Such violent and bad mannered behavior would get them shot in China.
firstonesonme 3 years ago
Let me reiterate something you said. "I'm saying you should only support your government in the good they do". Yet when I applaud the CCP for doing something right(actually I never even did that much, I merely corrected historical inaccuracies of your post), I'm called a Red or an imperialist. Funnily enough, when I criticize the CCP when they did something stupid, I'm still called a Red or an imperialist. That's just crazy.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
10spook01, you arguments are slipping into strawman arguments. Do note that I can merely repost quotes to prove that these things that you imply I've said simply isn't something I've said.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
China is a great country without Imperialism and hyper-nationalism. In the same way the US is a great country without Imperialism and hyper-nationalism.
10spook01 3 years ago
We saw the result of 1930s governments promotion of Imperialism and hyper-nationalism. Hopefully we can learn from history before it's to late.
10spook01 3 years ago
You say all these negative words yet you have yet to provide any historical facts to back it up. Besides, communism wasn't even much of a power(if at all), during the 1930s.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Lol, where did I even put hpyer-nationalism or Imperialism under the discussion? Besides the red herring, there's also historical inaccuracies. Imperialism means using a colony's natural resources to import to the mother country, in which the mother country uses that material to make products to sell back to the colony. If anything, as with the case with Tibet, usually it's the exact opposite.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
令人懷念的鄧爺爺提醒大家
" 冷靜觀察﹐穩住陣腳﹐沉著應付﹐韜光養晦﹐有所作為﹐決不當頭 " 的國家政策。
偉大的領導人胡錦濤﹐親子親民總理溫家寶
領導有方﹐和平崛起﹗預先恭祝﹐奧運成功﹗國人願望﹐世界和平﹗
magictouch555 3 years ago
The real problem with the PRC is taking a side in Tibet's struggle for power instead of trying to make them "harmonious". The yellow hats vs the black hats, along with the rifts of numerous religious sects. Them going against the Dalai Lhama would of course go against the yellow hat, and it's along the lines of keeping Catholics for the Pope. Of course, in this case the Dalai Lama can't have his way either. He has these silly ideas such as kicking every non-Tibetan Chinese out of the region.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
So I say, let him come back but don't give him any power. Rule by the Dalai Lama, even if it's only in religous affairs, would(contrary to what the media tells us) be in sore disagreement with most Tibetan sects, who have their own lamas to support. Just let him reign over his own sect which has been picked on by every other Tibetan sect, along with the PRC, for so long.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Again, if China was still under Japanese imperial rule we would hear the same arguments.
10spook01 3 years ago
Bull, there IS no seperate "sects" warring with each other in Manchuria, if Japanese people talked of how the imperial family should stop taking sides in political relgious conflicts in Manchukuo, no one would know what they're talking about. Seriously, do you even read my posts or do you just stuff words into my mouths. Last time I checked that post you responded to was a criticism of the PRC, about a problem that actually EXISTS.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
When you read even PRC criticisms as somehow PRC legitimacy on governing Tibet, that's when you know you're way too one-sided.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I understand Anthrophobia that you support harmonious Imperial tactics.
Once again if Imperial Japan still owned the Chinese people they would have programs giving Chinese special placements in Japanese language schools, regional subsidies/imperial dependence and programs/tax incentive for Japanese to relocate to China.
10spook01 3 years ago
Lol. If I say the PRC should try to make Tibetan sects get along with other Tibetan sects, you call me an imperialist. How wonderful. Ad hominem.
Now why are you ignoring the differences that I posted? No one in Manchuia wanted Japanese rule, but plenty in Tibet prefer CCP rule. Japan saw Manchuria as a seperate colony, CCP saw Tibet as just another province. The historical inaccuracies can go on and on.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Besides the personal attack,
If you accuse me of being an "imperialist" simply by relating Tibet with Manchukuo, how the more easily could I accuse you of being a supporter of slavery by relating Tibet with the American Civil War. That's how the Chinese sees it anyway, though it's not how the Gov in Exile sees it of course.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Here's another example of what Tibetans think:
Tibet IS a part of China, that is something that my people have come to live with and agree with a long time ago. We call for a special state within China where we are allowed to manage our own cultural ...and return the Lama to his true rule, to guide my people in our worship.We do not want separation from China, simply because Tibet will not survive without a massive aid, from food and power, to services provided by the
Chinese government.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I'm not so sure Tibetan support this statement despite it's source.
10spook01 3 years ago
That's a personal opinion. Provide facts. When something disagrees with you, you have to counter fact with fact. And you call me "selective"
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
So what do you think of countries that force their will on weaker peoples with tanks and troops?
10spook01 3 years ago
So what do you think of countries that force their weaker peoples with tanks and troops?
10spook01 3 years ago
I though Chinese would be more sympathetic and understanding to the Tibetans plight having been under the boot of Imperial Japan. Being ruled by foreigners with different customs, language and beliefs is rarely fun.
10spook01 3 years ago
I love this song.
pencilvanier 3 years ago
Do not waste your time to talk/explain to Chinese Communists. They never understand human rights, democracy. The more they say/defend CCP the better people see how
stupid, brainwashed they are.
Koreaisbest 3 years ago
You do realize that just makes you look brainwashed. Talking about people like they are animals and you say they are the brainwashed ones... tsk tsk
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
It's not a waste of time if your trying to help.
10spook01 3 years ago
Remind me how being racist helps?
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
CCP members are a race? That's a new one for me.
10spook01 3 years ago
And where did I say anything "facist"? Facist too has a "morality" behind it, a morality that killed millions of people. So plz, point it out to me. Last time I checked I accused the CCP of disrepect/ignorance for Tibetan religion as well as the oppressing of the upper class. If that's facist what does that make you?
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Now where did I label CCP as a race? And even if I did, you are merely turning a gramtical error into an attack argument. As if it has anything to do with Tibet in general.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Puppets in hands of chinese communist party, dont make fool of yourself!!
prdunj 3 years ago
My time would be completely wasted if I didn't tell you how I really feel. The truth is that EVERYTHING in this Universe happens for a reason,it is called Karma,as much as I wish that the Tibetans were treated better by the Chinese and vice versa it is their Karma to share their land and work out their differences.I was reborn in a peaceful prosperous country due to my Karma and you had the opportunity to come here because of yours.LOVELOVELOVE that is the most important.God is LOVE,so are YOU !
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Uhh, Ok, at least we found something we agree on.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
They say they're separate from the government but when the Chinese had the choice between Democracy and Communism they picked Chairman MAO over Chiang Kai Shek. It's A CHINESE GOVERMENT RUN BY CHINESE, HOW ARE YOU SEPARATE FROM YOUR GOVERMENT? IF YOU'RE PROUD OF YOUR COUNTRY, YOU MUST BE PROUD OF HOW IT'S GOVERND. YOU'RE COUNTRY IS YOUR GOVERNMENT. You're Chinese double think is insane!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Considering your repeated tactics, I'll just copy/paste what I said earlier.
Ah, the result of people who have their backs against the wall. Now where did I say that I said what you stated? NO WHERE. Because you, in your desire to mentally masturbate, cannot counter sophisticated discussion and have to resort to talking about things that I have never said, ergo stuffing words into my mouth. Brilliant.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
AND as a history correction, Chaing Kai Shek wasn't democratic. China might had a faint hope of being a democracy with a nationalist/communist party, but the guy ruined it when he started a communist purge which caused the Chinese Revolution. And you tell me to learn history. tsk tsk
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
If you copy/paste, I see no reason why I shouldn't copy/paste. Two can play at the game.
"Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people. "
You do realize this is making you look more racist by the second don't you?
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I dont think chinese choose MAO, he won in the war, he wasnt ellected or so!!!
country equals goverment??? that wasnt so even in ancient china where emperor just had a mandate from TIAN to govern,, if he was bad leader, people had the right to take this mandate away..thats how they dinasties where overthrown with help of rebels.. no you dont have to be proud of your govement if it is corupted.. even Wu Yi said party is full of coruption, and it acts as if it is bigger than law!!
prdunj 3 years ago
GOD, YOU ARE SOOOO STUPID, WHAT THE HELL????? DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE GOVERMENT NEEDS THE SUPPORT OF YOU MAGGOT PROTESTERS!!! Yes, of course killing those Chinese people is wrong and if those Tibetans did it for no reason they should be tried and put in jail or executed. What does that have to do with YOU ? You're arguments are insane, the Chinese say they're seperate from the Chinese government and yet you wave the government flag.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Wow very funny. You're getting desperate, aren't you. Now let me reiterate:
Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Good One!
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
If you copy/paste, I see no reason why I shouldn't copy/paste. Two can play and the game.
"Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people. "
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Some Americans, who know NOTHING about the bad things that America has DONE ARE VERY PROUD OF AMERICA. Similarly SOME Chinese ARE VERY PROUD OF CHINA who know nothing of the astrocities committed by the Chinese government. The Great Leap Forward caused the greatest famine in HUMAN HISTORY. Yet because you know nothing about history you wave the flag of a government that starved TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. That's HYPOCRITICAL, as I said before.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Ah, the result of people who have their backs against the wall. Now where did I say that I said what you stated? NO WHERE. Because you, in your desire to mentally masturbate, cannot counter sophisticated discussion and have to resort to talking about things that I have never said, ergo stuffing words into my mouth. Brilliant.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Anyway(despite the fact I mentioned neither history nor past gov wrongdoings), just because these "tens of millions of people" died from the GLF does not give the right for protesters to kill 22 more. And you say I'm bad at math.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
LOL, didn't you paste this? Well, maybe I'll just paste it too. B/C I love making racists look bad, since they're so racist anyway. Here's my response:
Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Now where did I stand for the communist regime? If standing up for the people who are getting killed by riots somehow ties me to the communist gov, then call me a commie. Again, you resort to tactics of changing topic when your racism is undeniably apparent. I love talking to you people.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
OK, let's get one thing straight: #1 it's AD HOMINEM!!!! WITH AN M at the end NOT N. I thought maybe it was typo the first time but I guess you're just a pseudo intellectual. #2 You're racism arguments have got to be the most ridiculous EVER!!! The Chinese are some of the most racist people in existence, ask yourself, why can't a western go to China and have their child join the order of Shaolin monks. Only Chinese are allowed. #2 Tibetans don't like prostitution rings.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
So instead of attacking my arguments now you attack my spelling as if somehow that'll miraculously make your side of the argument seem stronger. Well, it doesn't.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
How am I ridiculous anyway? Not once did I mention "so and so people are" + "something negative". Yet you on the other hand call all Chinese "racists" and "crybabies". That's racism by the book. And seriously, now you are just making stuff up. Most Chinese people, including the gov, have other things to do than focusing on "shaolin monks". And as if that is anything compared with putting pressure on preventing Han Tibetan intermarriage. I say it's not their business who people marry.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Yet the more Chinese come in the more prostitution there is, look every single Chinese person I have talked to regardless of how they fell about China and the government has been BRAINWASHED into believing the Dalai Lama is evil. READ HIS FRIGGIN' BIOGRAPHY!!! HE WANTED TO MODERNISE TIBET!! HE WANTED TO BUILD ROADS, HE WANTED TO EXPOSE TIBET TO THE WEST AND OTHER COUNTRIES.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
And once again, when I start talking about the importance of economics over genetics, you switch to something else. Where did I even talk about the Dalai Lhama. Once again you ignored the point. He, like me, accused the rioters. You on the other hand called us "crybabies" instead. But since your argument is so blatantly racist, you have to resort to changing the topic into modernization.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Wow, you must suck at Math, your Jewish argument is like saying 1=3. The Jews were a minority among an oprresive government, that's exactly what the Tibetans are. In any case you're a hypocrite of the highest order, as an autonomous state Tibetans SHOULD have a right to vote for a leader, have freedom of press and freedom of speech it should be THEIR choice if they want a secular society or not. Read the constitution of any democratic countries, do you know what a constitution is ???
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
More ad hominen. I never said Tibetans were truly automonous. As for the implication to racism: When Han marries a Tibetan, who is the one that accuses of depurifying Tibetan blood. When Han makes business with Tibetan, who is the one who talks of depurifying Tibetan culture. When Han migrate(Tibetans do too), who is the one that talks of keeping Tibet as a land for only the Tibetans to live in? Not Normal Tibetans in Tibet, but the gov in Exile. "Their choice" is not the same as yours.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
HE KNEW, that Tibet couldn't be closed forever and to suggest that if the Tibetans ELECTED HIM he would try to change Tibet back to how it was before 1959 is ridiculous!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
More changing tactics. Kindly point it out to me where I said that. Can't? That's b/c, as before, you can't counter my arguments and thus have to forcibly hallucinate yourself until you see my writings as something beyond what I really wrote.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Go back to China if you believe a communist regime is something to be proud of, you're a hypocrite to wave the flag of a communsit country and live in a democracy !!!!
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Now where did I say that? No where. I love America and I love China. But I know enough to criticize where it's needed(both have their faults and shortcomings), instead of just being a mentally masturbating asshole like SOME PEOPLE. You seem to hate Han Chinese people more than you care about Tibetans, that's for sure.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
And last but not least, it's not so much that "I suck at math" as much as your tactic of constantly switching topics. I'm talking about rioting, and you start talking about "Autonomous". I start talking about "racism" and you start talking about "freedom of speech". All it does is make me be able to tell that you haven't stepped foot in China once, but somehow you have all these pre-conditioned assumptions built up. I'm not "proving" my ignorance, you are.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
The Chinese are bunch of unresponsible crybabies. Why are they so proud of their country that represses the Tibetans and their own citizens, look at what they do to the people that practice Falun Gong or Falun Dafa, there are too many cowardly and hypocritical Chinese. The cowards don't tell their fellow countrymen the truth about their lying government and the hypocrites think their country is the best and won't listen to anybody else.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Amazing the degree of racism that gets out of people when your identity is not known, is it? Fine, next time we get killed and the media makes the killers into the victims, we'll just put our heads into a hole and take it, b/c no one wants to be crybabies.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
You sound like you might have half a brain Anthrophobia. Fundamentally, the issue is that of the right to self-determination of the Tibetan people. Millions of government-imported Han immigrants and preferential socioeconomic policies, present an urgent threat to the Tibetan nation by stealing economic resources and smothering Tibetan culture.I'm sorry but is just simply HYPOCRITICAL to wave the Chinese flag that represents the oppressive Chinese government that represses Tibetans and it's OWN.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
I've read plenty of articles of Tibetans LIVING in China. N/A of them wanted independence, though plenty had a problem with the Chinese government. However, your reply is immoral. I'm talking about one thing and you went on to talk about something else, as if that would magically make my case somehow unfeasible. Besides, this new argument of yours reminds me too much of Nazi persecution of Jews: The Jews own all the business, so lets blame it on the Jews. Your ad hominen attack don't help either
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Why can't Tibetans vote or criticize the government? Because Tibet is treated just like any other Chinese province. You just prove that you are either stupid, ignorant or have been brainwashed by the Chinese government into double think. You support the Chinese cause yet you live in democracy that allows you to criticize the government and vote for your leaders. If you believe the Chinese cause is just and right why don't you go back to China ?? I'm guessing I answered my questions above.
shivakrishnarama 3 years ago
Actually, I have read plenty of Chinese articles of Tibetans criticizing the Chinese government, in which the gov constantly send "religious officials" who in fact knows nothing about Tibetan Buddhism. At the same time, they also criticize foreign self-rightiousness in which they have no idea that Tibet is more than a big prison. I don't support the Chinese gov, but I know enough about them to know the real situation. You on however can only resort to attacking me b/c you cant counter my ideas.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Besides, I wonder how you can still say "if you have a problem than go back to China". Hmmm, racism again. Why don't you tell Martin Luther King to go back to Africa?
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Besides, if the Han Chinese really came in the 10s and millions, then how the heck did they get their butts wiped in the riot? They would outnumber the Tibetans. No, the landscape itself is already a natural barrier to Chinese immigration due to thin air. It's called "natural migration". It's neither evil nor forced, unless you call migration through economics "forced". To deny people the right to chose their place to live simply due to genetics is racism, period.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Don't confuse India with China, please!
weissman2000 3 years ago
ding!
weissman2000 3 years ago
It is a good love for one's country that make you proud when a co patriot wines a gold metal. There is also a bad love that makes you blind when your country does wrong.
10spook01 3 years ago
中国是中国，中共是中共，我是中国人，我支持中国，与中共无关！
HarryHou 3 years ago
民主只是一个政治制度。它解决不了人类社会的本质问题。西方民主制度下的政客，收受资本家，总裁的巨额竞选赞助，他为什么要为人 民服务？什么叫权钱勾结，还得看看波士顿的"大挖"工程。几个亿转手入了竞选赞助的腰包。要看巨额腐败，以 权谋私，还得仰视西方民主制的 大手笔。
美对国内反抗也是穷凶极恶。不光是众所周知的美军坦克机枪好几次镇压瓦茨种族暴乱。我有死人堆的照片。被美军残酷击毙的数百甚至 数千都是年轻人，黑人孩子。你想看吗？夏威夷独立；肯特州立机枪扫射师生。黑人秘密反政府组织山狮党，几千人被全歼。私藏军火的 大卫教被放火烧了七天七夜。一个三岁大卫教童尸含子弹重达8斤。
圣经陆加福音19：27 "那些不让我当王的人在那儿？把他们统统带上来，在我面前一一杀死。 --- 耶稣基督"
uvgarden 3 years ago
We've heard excuses like these before. From Imperial Japan in ww2. During Nanking Massacre the population of Nanking actually increased but it doesn't mean the massacre didn't happen. Also the Japanese invested in ww2 heavily in Manchuria saying it benefited the Chinese. Don't be a imperial pawn.
10spook01 3 years ago
支那人 must go back to 支那
nullpowww 3 years ago
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Looks like a gathering of the Nazi Youth.
splittist 3 years ago
your words are hurtful.. what made you have this comment. It is a peaceful gathering.
dream1314forever 3 years ago
Where were these anti riot protesters in 2005 when Japanese shops were burning in Chinese cities? Before they accuse other's of being bias they should look at them selfs.
This is bad side of nationalism China does not need and is better without.
10spook01 3 years ago
10spook01, the anger of the Chinese, especially of those who live abroad is ignited when there is a deliberate distortion in the media trying to portrait a bunch of rioters and killers as freedom fighters. The idea behind it is to create a false sense of legitimacy to intervene in other people's business. We see precedents like Ukraine, Georgia and most recently Kosovo. The anger stems from lies and propaganda, which is very stupid and basic. I am angered by it as well.
weissman2000 3 years ago
10spook01, your comparison with the 2005 is misplaced and spurious. The reason for that outburst of anger is the action by the Japanese government to allow part of the history books to be rewritten, which reduces or in some cases totally discards the Japanese rampaging holiday stay in Asia between 1937-1945. Again anger is directed towards people who are set out to lie....
Did the Chinese kill anyone? Did the Chinese attack any Japanese persons in China? Are there any similarities?
weissman2000 3 years ago
I under stand in 2005 the rioting against innocent Japanese shop owners in China was to attack a Japanese companies release of historically bias textbooks. Some would call this trying to in influence another countries internal affairs. It also demonstrated the understandable pent up anger of the Chinese towards Japaneses imperialism. You should understand why Tibetan act in a similar fashion. What do Chinese textbooks say about the invasion of Tibet?
10spook01 3 years ago
10spook01, ur question is unfair and biased. There is no debate here.
If u r blind to facts and history, then so be it.
weissman2000 3 years ago
Under Chinese rule for 300 year?? Were not the two empires predating Sun Yat-sen Manchurian and Mongolian? were not Han Chinese and Tibetans alike forced under their Imperial yoke?
weissman2000 needs to look closer at history.
10spook01 3 years ago
10spook01 is THE expert on history. Cheers and Nobel price for 10spook01....
weissman2000 3 years ago
My first nomination. Thank you. I hope now you'll read and try to understand what I've said.
10spook01 3 years ago
10spook01, Sarcasm is a difficult concept to grasp to many. So no shame there. But the second part just is ludicrous to even to contemplate.
The essence of changing dynasties is to take over reign of power. To take over the realm under the former political establishment: all that is under the heaven.
Pretentious is the first word that pops into my mind after reading your words, pretentious indeed!
weissman2000 3 years ago
Thank you again. It seem sarcasm is also something you should look into.
It's sometimes hard to look in the mirror for you isn't it?
Is it ludicrous to try to understand someone else's point of view weissman2000?
10spook01 3 years ago
Manchu is an ethnicity. Never heard of Manchuria as a country until the Japanese came in WW2.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Oh ya but doesn't your statement dodge the point of my statement? Were not the two empires predating Sun Yat-sen Manchurian and Mongolian? Is not Mongolian also a ethnicity? (Russian or English for that matter)Does this give the Chinese gov the right rule Tibetans or Han?
10spook01 3 years ago
According by the 1912 abdication of the Dowager, yep. The thinking of Chinese=Han was never developed as solidly as it was in Europe. It's interesting that the west painted China as a multicultural country during WW2, but during the Cold War they painted it more as a Han nation when China became communist, even though communists were much more "I don't give a gibby about your ethnicity as long as you can pay your taxes" as compared with the Nationalists.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Yep you dodged the point of my previous statement or yep those Empires were not truly Chinese? Yep I can can shift topics too...tsk tsk.
So Dowager can take and give away peoples and nations as she pleases? Sounds like the British in the partition of India saying who owns who. Nothing wrong with that. Right?
10spook01 3 years ago
So you think the Dowager would just give random edicts that she has no power over? Is that how you think I'm dodging the question? I say, bring some proof that the ethnicities listed were NOT under the control of the Qing. I just gave proof that the Qing was multicultural. Or should I ask you why Tibetan delegates chose to go to a Chinese ONLY meeting to draft the Chinese Constituion of the New Republic? Don't ask me, ask them. I'm just laying down historical facts.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I agree their were under control of the mentioned empire. Empire being the key word. Empire that for peoples into confederation with bayonets rather then free will. People should have the right to choice who their rulers are.
10spook01 3 years ago
I agree they were under control of the mentioned empire. Empire being the key word. Empire that force peoples into confederation with bayonets rather then free will.
People should have the right to choice who their rulers are.
10spook01 3 years ago
As I said, " Or should I ask you why Tibetan delegates chose to go to a Chinese ONLY meeting to draft the Chinese Constituion of the New Republic?" The Qing conquered the previous Ming/Shun culture with violence as well, but that doesn't make previous Ming/Shun lands as not belonging to them. When it comes to history, leave morality out of it. Things aren't that simple. Otherwise if I own a street I could declare independence and tax anyone who tries to use that street.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Fact is, almost every inch of land was conquered from somebody, during sometime, in one way or another. Major countries just don't fall from the sky. Do they have the right to those lands? Maybe and maybe not. But do they own those lands as theirs? Most definitely.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Yup your right. Why even mention it. As it stands curtain Gov on this planet like to invade others nations and bend people to their will. Some people support this type of gov. Some people like me do not.
10spook01 3 years ago
It's a necessary evil, just like public education. Because EVERY government is like that, b/c if they don't they'll stop taking opportunities for their country, and when they stop doing that they're outcompeted and die out. Little countries only talk nice because they know they can't beat anybody. Haven't you noticed leaders only talk sweet when they don't have a strong army behind their backs?
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I have noticed. Rarely do we see someone that cut through the BS and spin. I myself like to take the issue head on. False statements like Tibet has always been part of China just destroy these protesters credibility.
10spook01 3 years ago
Leave morality out of it? Is their no right and wrong in history? Can we not learn form past mistakes?
10spook01 3 years ago
If you studied history far enough you'll soon realize that nations hardly make descions due to right and wrong, and the line between right and wrong become increasingly hard to tell as nations make up excuses to become more powerful, sometimes at the expense of others. When two wolf packs compete for limited resources in a given area, can you really say which pack is right?
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I say you can. It would seem you think it's not worth caring about.
10spook01 3 years ago
Then your studying history as philosophy, not science. Science is about what is, not what should be. Opinions differ on the latter, but the facts are undeniable in the former.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
To think that two wolf packs fighting over resources actually has some morality to it... plz, that's hippie talk. It's cause and effect. Both need something only one can have, so they fight over it in order to survive.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
If I'm the hippie that makes you the fascist.
10spook01 3 years ago
If cold science is all you believe in why bother. It's all laid out for us. No right or wrong; how you like it.
10spook01 3 years ago
Because that makes you opinionated. It makes you have pre-conceived opinions and no amount of facts can make you think otherwise.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I understand what you have been saying: there is no right or wrong; it's pointless to have a opinion; to science cultures and peoples are less then a grain of sand.
I just disagree with you.
10spook01 3 years ago
It's called knowing the cause and effect without having your own pre-determined opinions. Otherwise you can't do the greater good. Obvious. It's already shown here where you have given ZERO facts besides your own opinions.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Wow who's black and white now. ZERO facts? I think you need to reread.
I'm all for the greater good.
10spook01 3 years ago
Such as statments such as "in their hearts all Tibetans desire freedom?" Or "I don't believe it despite its source"? Please show me which facts you have provided. Science is great, no matter how much you disagree, the result comes only from the sources that matter. Opinions do not.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
So far I have given historic samples, the Qing abdication sample, as well as words from Tibetans themselves. You tried to counter all of this with what YOU think. That's not fact, ,that's POV
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Or you could watch the "Tibetan Diary" on youtube. But that's even more pro-Tibet as a part of China, and it's written outside of the PRC, in the United States. The commentary I have is written from inside the PRC, and the latter actually talks of PRC problems along with strengths.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Ironically, the Tibetan Diary was kept from showing on TV due to pressures from the Gov in Exile. Only shows that governments fight each other without real notions of morality
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Sure.
10spook01 3 years ago
As have I if you look back.
10spook01 3 years ago
Nope. Here's what you did. I gave examples of the Tibetans themselves, in Tibet, saying they want to be under PRC rule. You responded by saying "I'm not so sure Tibetan support this statement despite it's source. " Just as I predicted, if the facts are laid bare, you try to counter it with personal opinions. All I said was the majority(poor people) like the PRC while the minority(rich people) don't, simply because that's how the usual communist takeover works. You just accuse me of being red.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
You are partly correct in saying that much of what I have said is opinion. Thought you're rewording my statements.
If Chinese today were still under Japanese Imperial rule there would be people like me saying free the Chinese and there would be people like Anthrophobia saying ethnics (Chinese) are better off as part of the Japanese Imperial family. And that there is no right or wrong in issues such as this.
10spook01 3 years ago
Now where did I use "Tibetans are better off" as an excuse for PRC occupation? I admited both the PRC strengths and weaknesses in the governance of Tibet. What did you do? Discard facts on the basis that you chose not to believe them? Again, you stuff words into my mouth.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Thus, I believe I answered your question perfectly. You questioned whether the Qing, being Manchurian, gave the Chinese the right to rule Tibet. Fact is, the Qing was the FIRST Chinese dynasty to even call themselves "Chinese". Thus, I did not doge your question. Give me some sources that the Qing thought themselves as non-Chinese, beyond them being a different ethnicity. Nationalism by genetics was simply a imported concept that never took root.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
Most empires hope for homogenization. The Soviets hoped for Russianification as the Arabs hoped for Arabification. North America was made to be like Europe. If you support such acts then it's your own choice as it is my choice to take issue with these acts of democide.
10spook01 3 years ago
Ah, but now you "dodged" my statement. I was merely stating that the Qing viewed themselves as Chinese, NOT how the Qing tried to convert Tibetan culture into something more similar to Han culture. Besides, they didn't. If anything, they tried a little on making Han culture more in line with Manchurian culture. They left Tibetan culture mostly alone, except for things that made Tibet easier to govern, such as the way of choosing of the Panchen/Dalai lhama and the installment of ambans, etc...
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
So plz, don't accuse me of things that has nothing to do with what I said.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago
I'm just interested in knowing what you support and why you support it?
10spook01 3 years ago
To answer that: Let's face it, China's not giving up Tibet unless you take it from her cold dead hands. The only way to improve life is to ask for better treatment without asking for independence. There are problems, but the Gov in Exile do make unreasonable demands such as kicking every non-Tibetan ethnicity out of Tibet, while the CCP divide Tibetan religious ground into public land as if they know anything about Tibetan Buddhism, which they usualy don't.
Anthrophobia 3 years ago