Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT)

[Malucodemez]

I think if it works, it works. I don't like seeing so many comments saying things like "how could ETC work? its probably worse for your brain." From people who are not doctors, and have no schema on the anatomy of the human brain.

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[lunaticjen]

forced ect is a reality in this country. If somone choses it thats ok. But being forced it is a very scary experience

[gunterra1]

@lunaticjen Just out of interest, what country is it?

[ChUcKySaWeSoMe]

God! Whenever I see videos like this my stomach turns in knots and I just don't understand how the hell this helps them! I really would love to hear the "doctors" theory on this.

[trollagorn]

@ChUcKySaWeSoMe we get it

[ChUcKySaWeSoMe]

@trollagorn sorry it posted twice

[ChUcKySaWeSoMe]

You have no idea how my stomach turns in knots when I see this. I don't understand why the doctors do this. How the hell does that really help them!

[patbrodnik]

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[2010Barbon]

Must had sucked when they used to do this shit without anesthetic!!

[hpatdt2]

they are real psycho ....the doctors!!!!!

[AVelvetRevolution]

I was so chronically depressed I was suicidal. None of the anti-depressants medications helped and I have tried many. I had ECT and I woke up from it and my first thought was "I have a headache" and my second thought was "It doesn't suck to be alive." I do experience memory issues, but so many negative and traumatic things have happened to me during the course of my lifetime that it is best to forget them. It is frustrating to not remember some things but it is better than being dead, right?

[xYoungDeezYx]

@AVelvetRevolution Dude, life ain't always roses and sunshine - doesn't mean you have to kill yourself or electrocute your brain cells... jeez.. Smoke weed, do pills, heck even do heroin

[AVelvetRevolution]

@xYoungDeezYx

Yeah, I'm sure heroin is gonna make my life just fantastic. Let me run downtown immediately and get some. Better yet, go get 4 bags of it and then I won't have to deal with anything. Snort till I die. Thanks for the advice.

You are ignorant. This is historical footage of unmodified ECT. This footage in no way resembles the procedure of a modern ECT treatment. It takes approximately 15 minutes and the patient is anesthetized during the procedure. Have you personally had an ECT?

[roycemisty]

@xYoungDeezYx Obiviously your stuck on stupid, if you are compairing drugs and alcohol to this AMAZING life changing medical procedure. I had ECT's 10 yrs ago, and I now have 3 College degrees and almost done with my phd, in FORENSIC PSYCH. I have 5 children and had battled depression and other issues for 15 years. It changed my life, so before adding your IGNORANT COMMENTS maybe you should do alittle research. ( If you need any drug couseling I would be happy to help free of charge x)

[2010Barbon]

@xYoungDeezYx junkie shite.

[kirkbypaul12345]

I think its really shocking how can they do that to people

[JIMMYJEE]

@kirkbypaul12345 Not at all, if one gives concent, its their own choice, I know people didn't ask for it to be done in the past, was pretty much forced upon them,59% of people, but it's getting a little more populer, with less side effects. It's used to help people, the goverment would not allow it if it was that dangerous. I think 6% have died during it, seeing as it was praticed between 1996 - 99. So it will improve anyway. It's a good thing.

[gunterra1]

@JIMMYJEE Boy oh boy, are you naive!

[lunaticorthelover]

@kirkbypaul12345 *baddum tish*

[WantAHamburgerAlex]

@kirkbypaul12345 OR ANIMALS?

[rap13oy]

@kirkbypaul12345 keyword SHOCKING lol

[bluecollarboiler]

Very true, in long term use much of one's memory is wiped clean; in my Daddy's case, as he was a brilliant engineer, in his years after ECT which lifted his major depression, he did lose his engineering memory, 20 some years after he retired, but at least it brought him to life again and he enjoyed life!

[wwwtotalitaerde]

The German state uses his secret service BND to systematically rape, torture and murder. My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during five and a half years. I recorded more than 450 hours on video which ended in the legal system. The BND continued under cover of the legal sytem to torture my brother for one and a half years. My brother was assassinated on 11.7.09 because of our homepage linked on my chanel. Whatever lie german snitchers tell you: Germany is the worst torture state on earth.

[maroom1]

@wwwtotalitaerde

Are you joking ?

Why did they kill your brother ?

[wwwtotalitaerde]

@maroom1 The German BND tried to suppress our homepage and our book. Many authors are being murdered in Germany to suppress their publications. Last year Berlin judge Kirsten Heisig and psychiatry critic Bernd Seiffert( see my films ) were assassinated. In 2004 it was Martina Pflock and Heiner Gehring.

[MassDeportation]

Im here to fight ECT. You SHEEP are being TOLD it helps you just like obama says hes going to help you. yeah he's gonna help drain your FOOL bank accounts and turn you into a third world country and its advancing rapidly on you RIGHT NOW. But you're more afraid of dealing with it than the consequences of not dealing with it. The consequences of not dealing with it is mass invasion and WAR. Not dealing with your so called mental illness is ENSLAVEMENT by the psychiatric industry and TORTURE.

[returnoftheramble3]

I'm still thinking about it. I think I'm going to wait a couple more years and see if they can come up with anything.

[MassDeportation]

You people dont trust your own president, leaders, politicians and police and justifiably so. And yet you trust some clown wearing a hospital uniform who has a college degree? Happy Zappin, fools!

[MassDeportation]

jenningh, who has a video interestingly entitled "Current ECT" has banned me from his/her site, so i cannot comment. This shows how "open minded" these people in the psychiatric industry really are. And they'll OPEN your MIND too, if they shoot electricity thru it!

[MegaAzazel666]

How is frying peoples brains with Electro convulsive therapy supposed to help them its gonna make them worse an braindead what sort of an Einstein thought of that one up

[mer191]

I'm intentionally watching this right before going to sleep.

[mashamorgan]

My mate Steven had ECT administered 13 times he told me. He was seriously mentally ill. I have heard it can also be extremely helpful in treating depression though !

[MassDeportation]

Those of you promoting ECT should have it done to YOU! Some states still allow COURT ORDERED ECT which can number in the HUNDREDS per patient! That means there isnt even the PRETENSE OF CONSENT! They can beat torture, drug and even shock the patients WITHOUT being allowed access to these machines thank you very much! BAN ECT!

[edlypedly]

@MassDeportation

Wow, your really trying to hammer this arent you?

Are you about to have a 'court injunction' forcing you to have ECT or something?

[MassDeportation]

@edlypedly That hammer business is reminicent of the videos showing labotomy. Wow, youre really doing a good job of not arguing with me arent you? If i had some sort of court injunction against me in the almost totally corrupt court system working with the mental hospitals, i would not have the freedom to use the internet at all, would i? But you bring up a terrifying issue. There still ARE COURT ORDERED ECT AND THEY CAN NUMBER IN THE HUNDREDS PER PATIENT. People should ask, Why?

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation

I DID have it done to me. I had 20 treatments and I significantly benefited from it. It was my own idea and decision to have the treatment. I was treated with great care. It is safe and painless.

ECT can cause loss of memory, and I experienced some effects on my short term memory (surrounding the treatment), but for me it was worth it.

If someone has been suffering from depression and has not responded to medications and therapy, I would recommend ECT. But do research it!

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 If you are telling the truth, and you may very well be, i think you have been deluded. But if ECT helped you, or you think it helped you, then im glad. But im still going to fight its use vigorously for others. Makes NO sense to me to put electricity thru people's brains for ANY reason.

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation

they send a very small current through the brain, just enough to induce a seizure. you are right it doesnt make sense and no one has really found why it really works. stimulating the brain, rewiring the brain, are a few theories, there is plenty to read on the net.

it has its negative effects like it it can cause memory loss and cognitive defects.

if you are desperate, only use ECT as a last resort.

it has very high success rate

i guess YOU have decide if it's worth it.

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 The meter on this very video shoes max 150 volts. "Normal house current" is approx 120 volts and is considered DEADLY and every appliance sold has warnings on it. And yet this current is sent intentionally and directly thru the brain? Who keeps the stats on this? Could not another "negative effect" be death? Torture? Did you know ECT can be court ordered? That means FORCED on anyone that the court "decides" should get it. Ive decided its not worth it, its a LIE like so many others.

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation

current is what kills people, not voltage. voltage doesnt really mean much, where i live, our mains power is 240 volts. in modern procedures they only administer the shock for a TINY fraction of a second. household electrocutions can be fatal because the electricity is dispersed through your entire body with nowhere to go. in the ECT procedure two plugs are stuck to your forehead, one sends the current in, and the other draws it straight out -as it is conductive.

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 Go on and on about voltage vs current! Its STILL putting ELECTRICITY thru a person's BRAIN! How about a bullet? Cant i say hey its ONLY a 22. So small. And i dont know why it helps, it just does. cause i said so. How do you know tiny fraction of a second? If its so harmless why does it cause convulsions? How about a hammer to the knee? SMACK that knee with a hammer and say Duh! Look! we got a REACTION, therefore the patient is CURED cuz we say so!

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation sorry but you are not using any logic in drawing comparisons between seizures and bullets. the shock resets the electrical state of the brain by inducing a seizure. that is the point. believe it or not, scientists and doctors do know a lot more about how the brain works than YOU. people with epilepsy have the SAME SEIZURES in their daily lives -without even the safety of doctors and an EEG present. having a seizure is not necessarily threatening or a big deal.

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 Sorry but you are not using any logic in saying an electric shock to the brain resets the electrical state to the brain. lol

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation

it is fair enough if you decide it's not worth it. it is a controversial treatment with many detractors and supporters.

having a court order is understandably objectionable. however this does not reflect on the treatment itself, but on whichever government you live under.

i can only imagine that happening as a last resort when the patient is extremely dangerous. it *could* be considered by some more desirable/humane than being in a straight jacket for the rest of your life :/

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 I havent just decided its not worth it. I've decided to fight it. Maybe the court order does reflect on the "treatment" itself. Because if the patient REFUSED the treatment. You do not know what is and isnt being used as last resort. You are being TOLD and those few of you who are allowed to "see" some of this are being shown drugged patients and they may not be drugged the way you're told theyre being drugged.

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation the patient wouldn't be ordered because they refused the ECT. they would be ordered because they were out-of-control insane with no frame of mind to make their own decision.

you are an CONSPIRACY THEORIST. you are not basing any of your conclusions on facts or proof or evidence or anything from legitimate sources. you have ZERO experience with this. you have not talked to anyone who has had this. you have not talked to a doctor. from what i see YOU HAVEN'T EVEN RESEARCHED IT.

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 Dear Mr Electrocuted Brain, "the patent wouldnt be ordered because they refused the ECT?" What a total contradiction. If the patient didnt refuse it, then why is it court ordered? How do you know who i have and have not spoken to, or know? Conspiracy theorist? The Conspiracy is a commonly used con word for people in, or supporting, the psychiatric industry to disparage its detractors. You pathetic JERK! It should be done to YOU! Over and over again! You JERK!

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation you don't know ANYTHING about ECT. you are ignorant to everyone's evidence. come back when you have enough knowledge to propose a valid, logical argument.

if you are against the courts ordering ECT, then you should go elsewhere where it is relevant. this page is not a question of human rights. this page is not about your corrupted government.

...music is a good thing. but the US uses loud music as an inhumane interrogation method at GTMO. lets ban music? your logic, not mine...

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 Oh the littlepenis0.5" is mad! Oddly, unlike your brain frying obscessed self, i have enough knowledge to know that having electricty put thru people's brain that it's not good for them! I dont have to move anywhere. And you dont know where i live, or dont live, at any given time. You brought up the GTMO issue. I said nothing about banning music, you did littlepenis. You say this pags is not about human rights or "your" corrupted govt. Next paragraph, you point at govt corruption.

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation i was using a different scenario to demonstrate your failed logic. you are saying ECT is bad and should be banned because it CAN be court ordered. just because something (ECT/music) could possibly be used in a negative way (court ordered/torture), doesn't mean that thing should be banned. do you see now?

you don't have knowledge. you are making assumptions. get a degree in physics and medicine, IF you plan on challenging educated professionals

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 Get a mechanic's license if you plan to drive.

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 You are a stupid, hypocritical, contradictory JERK! I can see why you believe in electroshock. You're starting to lose it! Your last 2 paragraphs, This page is not about human rights or government corruption, THEN the next paragraph, you mention inhumane treatment at GTMO. Youre a CONSPIRACY THEORIST! You are also a brain-fried jerk!

[littlepeter5]

@MassDeportation ECT helped me. and over 80% of its patients. how do you explain that? i am walking around alive, i have resumed studying at university. i have most of my life back. yes i encountered side effects, but none bad enough to put me against having this treatment again.

so tell me why you refuse to believe this treatment is helpful?

[MassDeportation]

@littlepeter5 Im glad it helped you.

[polix]

@littlepeter5 Just you wait :-) they'll be a few more 'side effects' as you get older.

[littlepeter5]

@polix not exactly appropriate or kind to be typing smiley faces. thanks for the encouragement.

[polix]

@littlepeter5 your welcome. im not trying to encourage you. ect is horrible and you never get over it. no need to be somber about something you can never change. the side effects are endless. but good luck if you choose to do it/have done it. try to cope, but dont wallow by any means, it'll just make the memories/side effects worse. :-)

[MassDeportation]

ECT is inexcusable and intolerable. FUCK how it's "administered." The electric chair was suppossed to be quick painless and humane. ECT can be administered any way those attending want to administer it. Not necessarily how its SUPPOSSED to be administered. People are decieved, coerced to "consent" and tortured every day, every where. What makes fools think "the administration of ECT" is any different? Oh thats right, we're dealing with FOOLS and liars. Electroshock the BRAIN! STUPID!

[xxSceneEmoGalxx]

in 4th grade i did a research project on ECT. I got an A!!! whoop! i chose it because it is really interesting.

[mlb0580]

Reminds me of that scene in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"

[James1toknow]

First the doctor then the nurse then I quit! This has been proven wrong and does not work.

[gepkedeleef]

Google/youtube Gepke de leef dakloos in Haarlem Nederland

[ewalks73]

ect is fucked they dont have a clue what they were doing back then

[xonnox101]

ECT can often lead to....uuhh...I forget...

[MrLUCIFER616]

@xonnox101 You forget?....that's OK....a few more sessions will help......trust me :)

[xanyxxxx]

@xonnox101 sometimes a person is tortured by the memories of the past. good if ECT can take it away

[DaedalEVE]

@bc8476

Actually no. I've seen videos of heart surgery and know the results of it. Heart surgery repairs damage... ECT creates it.

If ECT isn't such a big deal, then I suggest that any mental health professional that recommends it for treatment be forced to go through a couple sessions.

It would be similar to how police allow themselves to be tasered or maced during training so they can experience it for themselves.

[DaedalEVE]

@bc8476

No, what I'm suggesting is that (as I said) the nuts who think ECT are so great should experience it for themselves.

And why does it suck? Well for starters the mental health system is setup in such a way that people are essentially kidnapped and detained without due process. Second, they are often subjected to forced medication or even ECT.

Do you even KNOW how ECT works? It's essentially a non invasive lobotomy.

Clearly you are ignorant on this subject.

[Infinitesimalism]

@bc8476 Right, so why don't you step right up to bat and prove it? I guess all the other patients who had amnesia and dementia were just being hyperbolic? Oh and appending "im an english medical student" to your comments does absolutely nothing to validate what you have to say, and until you can provide unequivocal, empirical proof of your claims, kindly, shut the fuck up with that naive robot-like mentality.

[Infinitesimalism]

@bc8476 So your argument is summarized as "look up it up on the internet and believe what you read".. are you serious?! Look there is no DISPROVING that ECT (however you decide to describe it) can cause brain damage. Don't get me wrong, maybe some of these people are so far off the deep end that it isn't a bad alternative but there are plenty of case studies that can substantiate that and until you've actually experienced it, please quit pretending to know what you're talking about.

[Infinitesimalism]

@bc8476 Ad hominem arguments [i.e. the highest utilized logical fallacy used by those failing in debate] don't validate your point. And if you can't substantiate any of your claims with raw data, then that means you have no argument at all. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to believe you aren't trolling everyone yourself. Look, you do realize there are literally thousands of articles by noted doctors that discredit many aspects of these methods don't you? It's obvious you don't think for yourself.

[bc8476]

@Infinitesimalism fuck it believe what you want im gonna be the one making these decisions in the future anyway

[Infinitesimalism]

@bc8476 I've pretty much shut you down point by point, you've pretty much conceded here, which means you have no substantive counter argument. I don't know if you'll be making decisions or cleaning out bedpans, but YOU can believe what YOU want and until you can disprove that ECT doesn't cause neurological damage (which even in modern venues it's proven it DOES) then you are just another profit seeking follower who will believe anything a man with a white coat and stethoscope tells you.

[bc8476]

@Infinitesimalism yeah.. you didnt really win though, i mean being stubborn enough to make the other person give up arguing isnt winning is it? you must be a really annoying person to meet

[Infinitesimalism]

@bc8476 Every comment you leave takes away any shred of credibility you thought you had. I made points, asked you to address them, and you didn't. These are arguments comparable to a Christian finding little ground to stand on when one asks said person about the duplicity of their so called god. You know little to nothing about me so the more you speculate about my personality the more you dig yourself into a hole. Whether you're trolling or posturing just quit pretending either way kid.

[bc8476]

@Infinitesimalism feel big? doesnt change medical practice does it, look it up

[Hotstuff6671234]

Sure it's wrong, but you have to try it to know...

[neil22100]

I wonder if they have this in serbia!

[Kinglevel]

It was just wrong... Its an insane treatment, get better when damaging the brain? Shure... my name is jesus

[iAMaMARNESgirl]

oh jeez, ect is SO different now than it used to. it saved MY life, thats for certain. and it doesn't hurt AT ALL. all of you should really read up on modern ect.

[IcelandPride]

Except that it still causes long term memory loss which may be permanent, as well as hormonal imbalance and impairment of high level reason skills.

[greeniem]

i want to pee on you during ect

[MrBubblesblue]

Where can I find a video on ECT use on homosexuals? Psychiatrists used to "medicate" them also. A video from a reliable source is preferred, a video commenting on both methods of "treatment" would be awesome. Thanks.

[photo986]

ECT should be banned> In the late 50's the CIA had a secret braiwash project code named MKUltra. They paid a Dr Cameron in Montreal to carry it out. He injected LSD mixed with other drugs, Massive electric shocks that destroyed my memory and weeks of sleep as a brainwash tape played. I am telling my story on You Tube called youkilledyourmother

[happyman3196]

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[mygt]

my mother had it done at least 4 times in the mid 70s it didnt work

it does not work

[yetojesse]

they put you asleep nowadays and it seems to cure some sort of depressions.. I say we need more mice or volunteers..

:D

[deemilieu]

it was also usedby a husband to make a wife more 'manageable'

[yetojesse]

yours???

[deemilieu]

no, no and i'm not even married! i read about a canadian psychiatrist who was infamous for doing that.

[JulioAfrokeluchie]

shock me

make me feel better

[bluecollarboiler]

modern ect is administered under short duration general anesthesia

[SecretTrollAccount1]

presumably so you cannot scream when the current is let off.

[polix]

@bluecollarboiler and is still as horrible and traumatizing as with out anaesthesia. It helps, NO ONE. EVER. It does however serve to destroy your memory and make an already difficult life even more difficult.

[unopinionated]

@bluecollarboiler modern ect is still ect

[brightlights456X]

@bluecollarboiler

You mean they still do this shit?

[wwwtotalitaerde]

@brightlights456X Check out my english films about Bernd Seiffert. The medication given today also systematically destroys the brain.

[ohiosgreyghost]

Hmm, how interesting a series of black and white picturse that could have easily been posted on Google images. Thanks for calling it a documentary as well.

[bandilou]

Why didn't you just post pics on Google Images? This "video" is super-lame.

[photo986]

In the late 1950's the CIA had a secret brainwashing progrsam called MKUltra they paid a doctor in montreal to apply electric shocks 80 times stronger than what was considered normal also he injected LSD and also put people to sleep for weeks on end while a brainwash tape played I am telling myh story on you tube under youkilledyourmother

[skylinegtr4591]

get a life

[neverdothatagain50]

BARBARIC and it doesnt work

[AnnArmageddon]

actually, it does work. it always works, but it is the very very last resort and memory loss is no longer permanent.

although i do agree with you with the barbaric part.

[xtiml]

shrinks look at it , the patient has no memories worth keeping and the cure of shock now used only for extreme depression is warranted, personally i want the nurse to put it on my dick and up my ass to see if erection comes, ya think?the best one is lobotomies whre they take an ice pick enter through the eyes and poke around to server nerve in the frontal lobe, , now supposedly used only on violent parkinsosn cases. and the shock ing the dick and picture therapy dont work either.

[digitalis123]

Erm, for a start it doesn't "sever a nerve", it is an outdated and now defunct treatment. Parkinson's patients? How ignorant you are, don't talk about things you don't know!

Parkinson's is a dyskinesia, due to the breakdown of dopamine producing cells in the basal ganglia!

[antipodkayne]

ECT without anesthesia is legalized torture, still practized in parts of the world. Sick and depraved.

[maranca12]

that it is NOT safe at all...

Many have died during this procedure.

Others have ha horrible memory lost... others start acting like silent dolls.... this is horrible!

[cowbellcowbell]

You're wrong there. Only 1 in 250,000 people undergoing the procedure ends up dying nowadays (this is only due to complications due to anesthesia-you are more likely to die at the orthodontist/dental clinic under anesthesia). The modern day ECT is much safer and uses lower voltage than in the past. In addition the current is now applied unilaterally (one side of your hemisphere [non dominant] this prevents memory loss. Any memory loss you do get is for recent events 7 days before and after tx

[cowbellcowbell]

Also in the long run your memory will increase to a level higher than it has been for your depression. Depression itself causes damage to your memory/IQ so treating it makes you smarter and helps you remember events better. The events you forget for a 2 week period surrounding treatment eventually come back. ECT works by causing a seizure which results in increased brain activity for the long run and better neurotransmission. It doesn't de-soul you

[tlatoani3]

damn this must be very cool i would also like to open my craneum and touch my brain with this small electric wires so i can stimualate my pleasure or pain zones in my brain

[jcrules54733]

Great comment. Thanks for the link. The money-hungry psycho Shrinks and big pharma) must be on here burying comments that expose their insanity. You are so right. Their witchcraft toxic drugs are literally genocide, and they love it that way. Just remember the psycho-Shrinks have a far higher suicide rate than the people they treat. What does that tell you about the state of their mental health? And America lets these people "treat" them?

[forchunet]

Yeah if you all knew how debilitating some mental disorders are you too would jump at the chance for ECT

[jcrules54733]

NOTHING is more debilitating EST (Electro SHOCK Torture). Furthermore, EST doesn't help any mental disorder. It will be much, much worse over time. You'll have all your good memories fried. It's good memories that people fall back on and which help them through the bad times. Don't believe these liars on here that tell you it only fries that bad memories. The opposite is true.

[SchizoStephanie]

Ok doctors of the world, u want to fix a brain so u give it a seizure. really damn smart. People who get a seizure are disoriented and sometimes quiet because of damage. you cant control your tongue for a few minutes either it all numb. yeah, this helps! NOT!!. Fuck the doctors they dont know how it is.

[qwertymac]

yeah fuck the people who make us feel better!

[cowbellcowbell]

There are many different types of seizures. There is evidence Mozart had musical seizures. That is why he was so good at composing. Modern ECT creates partial seizures in one hemisphere of your brain. Seizures can make you a momentary genius.

[jcrules54733]

Everybody needs to get out their bullshit spray when you open your mouth. I'm laughing so hard at your idiotic comment right now, it's hard to type. Don't beleive this total crap, people! "The level of science in psychiatry lies between astrology and witchcraft."

[thEannoyingE]

were did you get all the ect stuff?

[beastinblack]

it makes a person easier to be around but it doesnt solve the problem...

[SheWolf04]

These days, ECT is so safe that it's even recommended for the elderly, the infirm and pregnant patients. It even attenuates those previously less responsive to available pharmacological measures.

[hrmc123]

you say it's safe, but does anyone truly know how it works and why, and what effects is has on the brain physically? browsing through other people's videos it seems to me that a lot of data about recovery rates etc has been witheld...if you know more about this i would be really interested to learn more.

[SheWolf04]

I'm not a researcher in the field, but I am a med student, so I can discuss what I *do* know. Would you like to continue this via PM?

[hrmc123]

i don't know about it in great detail, i have just been taught about it in a pschological context - the basic facts such as voltage used etc., and i want to have more of an insight into what really goes on, instead of just what they teach you in college, so if you know anything that might interest me, just drop me a message via youtube. thanks for your help :)

[jcrules54733]

Ur flippin insane. Frying a brain and fragmenting the personality (your very core) is not SAFE. It's torture...for a lifetime. If you're a she let them cut off your arms and legs, if ur a guy let them cut off your testicles and penis and feet. It would be less traumatizing than what they do with your very soul in EST.

[Elenantifa]

it is only used in serious conditions to save a patient's life. today's majority of psychiatrists r not sadist uneducated sick persons...

[jcrules54733]

Really!! Go have the full series of shock torture, then follow that up with the full series of insulin torture, then get back to me in a few years. Of course that would not due cuz you won't have a memory, you won't have a soul and you won't have a life. Don't EVEN go there with me. You don't know what what you're even talking about, Ditz. "Going to a Psychiatrist has become one of the most dangerous things a person can do." DR. Peter Breggin author of TOXIC PSYCHIATRY.

[Elenantifa]

I don't understand the comment, cause NO DOCTOR in ANY disease can take the position of the patient exactly while treating...So, WE can ONLY IMAGINE what he/she gets through. How can u use it as an arguement. Think of what a leukemia child gets through but gets cured in 90%...Plz b rational

[plasticineraindrops]

So safe that 1 in 90 elderly patients in the UK?

AND how many doctors would recomend inducing seizure in a pregnant woman?

[crys2002]

Ok, so it's safe. But what about the memory loss that comes with it? Dont' know about you, but I would rather kill myself than be forced to have that.

[cowbellcowbell]

Mocking Query: Oh so you would rather die than loose two to three weeks of your life(which you would eventually remember) in addition to gaining an increased memory capacity a few weeks after the treatment which would persist for the rest of your life? Look at the numbers: before depression memory= 100% during depression memory = 50% after ECT memory = 10% 3-4 weeks after ECT memory = 120%

-Psychology Major

[jcrules54733]

You're a flippin' LIAR! The memory loss is permanent. You arrogant Psych majors and Shrinks are a bunch of hopelessly brainwashed wanna-be Nazi witch doctors. That's right. Stalin and Hitler used EST in the gulag & Death Camps. The brain should NEVER be messed with. The electricity is random. That means it CANNOT select certain brain cells to FRY into oblivion. That means you don't know what your frying including MEMORY. That means you are crazy if you think EST is "gooood for people."

[pedantro]

jcrules54733: Your ignorance is showing I'm afraid. ECTs been done since 1938 and there are MILLIONS of reports. Not many (if any?! Not done by the church of scientology or/and associates =) suports your point of view. and dont take my word for it... JUST READ!

[jcrules54733]

This is 1 premise ur screwed on. I've had personal experience w/ECT in a capacity far beyond anything u've the capicity 2 understand. What I've witnessed over 40 yrs has nothing 2/do w/viewpoints. It's based on experience/research. If u wanna see "ignorant" look in ur mirror. I've not lived long enuf 2 ever meet any 1 that's not lost their own soul, the very essence of who they r thru these Nazi/Trotsky torture horrors. U can take ur "reports" and stick em. The reports are done by the torturers.

[pedantro]

JCRULES54733: Again, just read. What UR sayin (scuce me, with contempt are spewing) got no place in science OR clinical trials for that matter. (again; just read) and FYI I have too years of experience w/ECT. (cont. next)

[jcrules54733]

Oh really. Taking it or giving it?

[pedantro]

(Cont)..Ur point of view must be based on either the L.RON HUBBARD doctrine (GOD plz, lets hope not) or some really BAD experiences professionally OR/AND personally and if so that's ashame. THAT aside, from a global perspective ECTs been going on for decades (AND with "modern day" technology such as Ultrabrief pulswave) (cont next)

[pedantro]

(cont) ...I'm sorry jcrules54733..but ur hostile attitud for ANYONE that's involved in practicing, been reading OR the numerous grateful and satisfied ppl/patiens... just sound so IGNORANT.. But, hey! keep that fire of bitterness burning, I'm sure it keeps U warm inside.

[jcrules54733]

The money-hungry psycho Shrinks and big pharma) must be on here burying comments that expose their insanity. Their witchcraft toxic drugs are literally genocide, and they love it that way. Just remember the psycho-Shrinks have a far higher suicide rate than the people they treat. What does that tell you about the state of their mental health? And America lets these people "treat" them?

[Felidaise]

Your tinfoil hat looks good on you.

[jcrules54733]

Better a tinfoil hat than being deaf, blind and dumb. The "tinfoil hat" remark is so old as to render it meaningless.

[lolly16]

have you got the rest of this video?