@pakleglia And if you weren't a complete fucking dumbass you'd realize that this video is from 4 years ago. I'll save you the strenuous work of searching the internet for a more recent picture. He cut all his hair off. So you comment is void.
@pakleglia The difference between Devin and you though is that Devin is an incredible musical talent and songwriter and you are just a piece of shit complainer sitting behind a keyboard.
NO WAY!! That's (relatively) the same set up as my main personal sound! The metal channel on my Line 6 Micro Spider is modeled after the Mesa Boogie Dual Rec and I use a Maxon 808 in front of it for my KSE metal sound. I found it because Adam D uses the 808 on his rig for the same effect Devin mentions. It helps boost tone amazingly; Keep the OD low and crank the output.
@21Fixxxer which song are you referring to? the live video is Rape Song from the SYL album, but the first riff he plays (minus the wankery) is the Planet Smasher riff
Open tuning! That's what i like,not like other guitarists play pentaton shit,Devin uses more exciting technichs and modes!!!Great!!!!What fast hands he has!!!
@FretlessDeviant its a standard esp telecaster but with a maple neck and a pair of emg 81's, esp will make a custom for you at a fairly high price but if your low on money id go for a white cheaper brand tele like a squire of a mexican tele and fit a pair of emg81's as long as it has a maple neck and alder body it should some fairly similar but it wont have the esp tag but any devin will recognise what guitar your after :P
@ChucklesMginty I know, I just mean, it seems so repetitive having half of em tuned to C and half tuned to G as opposed to standard where they're all tuned differently, it seems like it might get in the way creatively too, like you would come up with certain stuff because they're tuned that way.
@JEESherazi I have, and he is. lol, i've always believed it was more about the notes than the tuning. The point I'm trying to make is not that I think he's bad becuase he has such a redundant tuning, it's that I think I would get extremely bored with it after a while.
Open C with the Drop G is a sick tuning. Wish I had the ESP Stephen Carpenter Baritone 7 String so I could tune to that all the time and not have to use a shitload of compression to keep it from sounding like shit
@speedjunkie66 he looks a lot healthier now I must admit, but I gotta say I loved his 2005-6 look, but yet Devy is Devy, he can pull off a Sombrero, a batman cape, with a horse costume and a tu tu on.
Thought he used thicker strings than 11, but as long you stay in drop C on a normal sixstring it should do the job unless you want to go lower, then you need a 7 string like Townsend right ere!
I love that sweep in Wrong Side, but I can never figure out how it makes sense (rhythmically). It just seems to be on its own time signature, but I'm not musically proficient enough to tell for sure, lol.
Mesa Boogie Amps. That's a very fucking nice amp. In my oppinion, better than the Marshall (I'm saying that Marshall amps are bad!) But Mesa's are way better
@DanielLikesToast All I can suggest is listen to more. He's got two more albums in the works, a live DVD hopefully coming out this summer, touring all over europe in the summer at various festivals.
no its like when your playing it hard to remember what fret is what and i usually look at the inlays on the fret not the side of the neck so it screws it up for me
It's the instrumental break in the latter third of 'Planet Smasher' from the Ziltoid record. If you haven't heard that album it's mind blowing. If you have heard it, forgive me preaching to the converted :)
@F990 yeh i think it is one of his best. i am jelous that you got to see him. he is coming to melbourne (australia) where i live, but the show is 18+ so i can't go ;(
i would defeintevely recommend buying an electric. Unlike the acoustic u need less reach for ur picking hand and u dont need to press as harshly down on the fretboard as u need to on an accoustic + it is a lot more fun :)
by starting with an acoustic then going to the electric you get used to the acoustic then when you get an electric you go from ok to fantastic. start with an acoustic,
I'd go with the acoustic first, it'll be a little harder to handle than an electric, and it will force you to learn some concepts that you might not go over if you jump to electric too soon. (It's just too tempting to turn up the distortion.)
i definitely wud go for the acoustic. yes electric can b more fun (but thats an opinion), but in the long run learning on an acoustic will make u a lot better. if you can learn how to make something sound good on an acoustic, it'll instantly be a breeze on the electric - and thats definitely not a reversable process. better to be better at 2 types of guitar right?
Bullshit. You don't need to learn muting on acoustic as you need on the electric (with distortion), because acoustic doesn't amplify all types of unwanted string noises, scrapes etc.
I don't agree with orlyithas. IMO you should start with an acoustic guitar, preferrably with nylon strings, or whatever it's called in English, I'm not sure. Learn properly, start with the basic chords.
acoustics in general are more difficult to start out. I DO agree it's better to start out on acoustics, I'm just saying some people get discouraged by that.
It depends if the person likes acoustic stuff. Really if they only like metal (which was me) and start acousticly they will likely give up. I did for like three years
Not really, no. If it's about what kind of guitar is easier to learn on for a beginner, it has nothing to do with what your style is. You basically don't have a playing style when you are that new.
Looking for a fight? Sigh, this is just pathetic. As I said, I agree to disagree, it's just that this is objective, and if you don't understand that, you should look it up, and go back and learn the basics again too.
This is what happens when you give Ben Franklin a Telecaster
lazarus343 2 weeks ago
I love the end of his endorsement. great stuff
trujew88 2 weeks ago
My all time favorite guitarists
LilReaper608 1 month ago
I heard a little bit of the riff of "Stand" in the beginning. I bet you he stocks up a lot of riffs until he can use them properly in a song.
Bassbait 1 month ago
@apologia you should realize that he didn't give a fuck how he looked so neither should you
teela24ecw 2 months ago 5
@pakleglia And if you weren't a complete fucking dumbass you'd realize that this video is from 4 years ago. I'll save you the strenuous work of searching the internet for a more recent picture. He cut all his hair off. So you comment is void.
SuicideNation 3 months ago
@pakleglia That's what happens when you don't wash.
SuicideNation 3 months ago
@pakleglia The difference between Devin and you though is that Devin is an incredible musical talent and songwriter and you are just a piece of shit complainer sitting behind a keyboard.
SuicideNation 3 months ago
RESPECT THE SKULLET PUSSIES
blaklodge 3 months ago 2
PICKLES THE DRUMMER!!!!
coreyeffinv 4 months ago
'Looks kike Bozo the Clown with that hair-do...
Thirdgen83 4 months ago
NO WAY!! That's (relatively) the same set up as my main personal sound! The metal channel on my Line 6 Micro Spider is modeled after the Mesa Boogie Dual Rec and I use a Maxon 808 in front of it for my KSE metal sound. I found it because Adam D uses the 808 on his rig for the same effect Devin mentions. It helps boost tone amazingly; Keep the OD low and crank the output.
CDP110 4 months ago
3:24 "They're black, ergonomic and just spiffy!" You can't help but worship his skill and sense of humour :D
MrConclusion430 5 months ago
Hey there I'm Devin Townsend-*solo*
O_o
Swanton619OfDX 6 months ago
39 second*
CoffeeKidZomg 6 months ago
at the 29 second mark you can tell those were the early stages to the stand riff on deconstruction ;D
CoffeeKidZomg 6 months ago
@CoffeeKidZomg I havent watched this in about 2 years, but yeah, listening now, that totally is Stand!!
mourningstaruk 6 months ago
@mourningstaruk Planet Smasher
FantKing 6 months ago
Musical Genius! :D
Paulwaite11 6 months ago
this is devin townsend xD
ESPIISATIN 7 months ago
ahh...the ol EMGs
flesheatingvirus70 7 months ago
mesa...yup yup
flesheatingvirus70 7 months ago
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He looks younger in his latest videos with the bold head.
Strange...
blgengin 7 months ago
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blgengin 7 months ago
I agree with the tone comments. Devin's tone has been crushing my skull since Heavy as a really heavy thing!
15viceandvirtues 7 months ago
Good lord! This dude is fucking amazing!
IBZ1965 8 months ago
open C, what the fuck.
MParseface38 9 months ago 7
does anyone know whats the name of the song at the beginning?is it a SYL song?
21Fixxxer 9 months ago
@21Fixxxer it's Planet Smasher from the Ziltoid album
KHAOZONE 9 months ago
@KHAOZONE no i dont think so.. it doesnt go like this..
21Fixxxer 9 months ago
@21Fixxxer which song are you referring to? the live video is Rape Song from the SYL album, but the first riff he plays (minus the wankery) is the Planet Smasher riff
KHAOZONE 9 months ago
@KHAOZONE yeah i was referring to the live riff.thanx man!its a great riff.just like planet smasher :p
21Fixxxer 9 months ago
does anyone know whats the name of the song at the begining?is it a SYL song?
21Fixxxer 9 months ago
Open tuning! That's what i like,not like other guitarists play pentaton shit,Devin uses more exciting technichs and modes!!!Great!!!!What fast hands he has!!!
szelidrocker 9 months ago
holy shit. that black guitar IS THE SEX.
masterjoejoe 9 months ago
Such a wanker.... love it... wish he'd wank me in C major...
gavquinn 11 months ago 2
was the esp telecaster ever sold as a production model?
theradu123 11 months ago
he should so produce darkest hours next album
Valkryiesbane 11 months ago
Keep Pressing 9 on your keyboard, it's EPIC!!!
AstraVex 11 months ago
@brooklynstudio I'd personally do more than hug. Hehe
TheMetalRiffer 11 months ago
if you could touch someone and instantly retain their abilities, id hug the shit outta townsend
brooklynstudio 11 months ago
He seems so much like he belongs in The Matrix.
MeetTheCryptid 11 months ago
i always played 'friends' in D with standard tuning, just mute the E and A strings
alaincharnier1971 1 year ago
Can anyone help me find that telecaster shaped ESP? Epic do want. And I can't find it anywhere!!
FretlessDeviant 1 year ago
@FretlessDeviant It's a custom. You can order one for a ton of cash.
diabeticmonkey 11 months ago
@FretlessDeviant its a standard esp telecaster but with a maple neck and a pair of emg 81's, esp will make a custom for you at a fairly high price but if your low on money id go for a white cheaper brand tele like a squire of a mexican tele and fit a pair of emg81's as long as it has a maple neck and alder body it should some fairly similar but it wont have the esp tag but any devin will recognise what guitar your after :P
munkeyWITHbeard 11 months ago
nice Tele.looks like hes got EMGs in that bitch.very nice.
maleknarcoth 1 year ago
He's a sick player, but it seems to me that his tunings almost make it too easy.
I mean, GCGCGCG or whatever, it just seems to me that it's too consistent, I think I would get incredibly bored playing that..
rockster07 1 year ago
@rockster07 All it means is that he's tuned to 5ths instead of 4ths.
ChucklesMginty 1 year ago
@ChucklesMginty I know, I just mean, it seems so repetitive having half of em tuned to C and half tuned to G as opposed to standard where they're all tuned differently, it seems like it might get in the way creatively too, like you would come up with certain stuff because they're tuned that way.
rockster07 1 year ago
@rockster07 Listen to his music. Maybe you can judge if he is creative with that tuning or not. ;p.
JEESherazi 1 year ago
@JEESherazi I have, and he is. lol, i've always believed it was more about the notes than the tuning. The point I'm trying to make is not that I think he's bad becuase he has such a redundant tuning, it's that I think I would get extremely bored with it after a while.
rockster07 1 year ago
@rockster07 Devin chose this tuning for the finger used for scales as well as the ability to barre and get major chords in a snap.
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@rockster07 the high string is actually an E
Wolfmother116 1 year ago
Open C with the Drop G is a sick tuning. Wish I had the ESP Stephen Carpenter Baritone 7 String so I could tune to that all the time and not have to use a shitload of compression to keep it from sounding like shit
NecroButcher91 1 year ago
I saw him in the Get Thrashed DVD. He was really quiet . Said nothing.
JonnieS700 1 year ago
Also, please pause at 7:09.
xPELICANx 1 year ago
18 people need to be shot without thinking twice.
xPELICANx 1 year ago
Is that rasta hair or simply sloven?he looks so frightening like a crazy scientist.maybe,because he is the scientist of metal music!
szelidrocker 1 year ago
Drop G?? holy shit.
jek21 1 year ago
If you have a choice to make, choose D'Addario!
MrPrisoner24601 1 year ago
he looks wayyy better now than here, hunchback of notre dame perhaps?
speedjunkie66 1 year ago
@speedjunkie66 What are you talking about?! He looked awesome back then!
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@speedjunkie66 he looks a lot healthier now I must admit, but I gotta say I loved his 2005-6 look, but yet Devy is Devy, he can pull off a Sombrero, a batman cape, with a horse costume and a tu tu on.
MitchMcMetal 1 year ago
he could hit Chuck Norris
szelidrocker 1 year ago
Thought he used thicker strings than 11, but as long you stay in drop C on a normal sixstring it should do the job unless you want to go lower, then you need a 7 string like Townsend right ere!
SkeksisBestSongEver 1 year ago
I love that sweep in Wrong Side, but I can never figure out how it makes sense (rhythmically). It just seems to be on its own time signature, but I'm not musically proficient enough to tell for sure, lol.
Kichigai90 1 year ago
@Kichigai90 It's straight 16ths as far as I know. The harmonic content of the actual arpeggio is weirder, though..
Steve128967 1 year ago
Godly
DarkAndTriumphant 1 year ago
0:47 he should make a lesson for that riff.
TMF58 1 year ago
where is this off of??
erniesux 1 year ago
"Hey there, im devin townsend"
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LMFAO!!! pure genius :)
phantom2089 1 year ago
I fucking love him!
Mrcucamonger 1 year ago 2
what a cool guy.
bonuzround 1 year ago 2
best think that came out of Canada!!! your a master!!
dreamtheater1957 1 year ago
NICE CHOPS DUDE!
P5ych00 1 year ago
Mesa Boogie Amps. That's a very fucking nice amp. In my oppinion, better than the Marshall (I'm saying that Marshall amps are bad!) But Mesa's are way better
RigorMortis203 1 year ago
@RigorMortis203
Way better?
Every amp out there is better than a shitty Marshall, unless it's Zakk's modded Marshall, His guitar bleeds thick and rich tone.
Shyuum 1 year ago
@Shyuum I agree, Zakk Wylde Marshall fucking rules, and Kerry King's Marshall has a good sound too.
RigorMortis203 1 year ago
g c g c g c e! HOORAY!
mittensandfobeo 1 year ago 4
wow seems like a humble dude its just awesome seeing these crazy metalheads that ppl see as weird then they start to talk and your like wow
ShroomSamich 1 year ago 3
"they hooked me up with uhm with uhm endorsement! lucky me!"
lucky devy, indeed!
bthboJsyhl 1 year ago 2
2:20 AudioTranscribe 'Uh uneasiness among the apple fires"
WhatUsernamesleft 1 year ago
song at 3:45 please?
Blackened1993 1 year ago
@Blackened1993 That one is called Truth
ConnorFromHell95 1 year ago
@ConnorFromHell95 cheers man, thats been bugging me for a while =]
Blackened1993 1 year ago
@Blackened1993 It's called "truth", off the album "Infinity".
Killswitchrox 1 year ago
God is one of the video's tags, nice. Go Hevydevy! Such an organic and warm tone.
Jagguar20 1 year ago 2
Transcribed Audio : "There I am dad and downs in".
WIN
Blade686 1 year ago
"Hey there, I'm Devin Townsend!"
(wanks to shit thus killing all other guitarists in their sleep.)
FormerlyMrBean667 1 year ago 3
haha, gold
:-)
enochiantheoryband 1 year ago
Is he the guy from strapping young lad?
xgthebeastx 1 year ago
@xgthebeastx Oh nevermind, he just answered my question for me....
xgthebeastx 1 year ago
heavy devy
arrowaine 1 year ago
Okay, I'm gonna get bashed for this, I've never ever heard of this guy.
BUT that, was, amazing.
DanielLikesToast 1 year ago 2
@DanielLikesToast All I can suggest is listen to more. He's got two more albums in the works, a live DVD hopefully coming out this summer, touring all over europe in the summer at various festivals.
PhaseNebula 1 year ago
Devin townsend pretty much defines awesome.
Kohe321 1 year ago 2
"They're black, ergonomic and just spiffy!"
Planets waves slogan please?
DrTranizRisingChaos 1 year ago 4
I miss his hair :(
F990 1 year ago 4
me too.
bhfam 1 year ago
devin townsend looks like a meth addicted mad scientist, but he absolutely fucking RULES at everything.
seanthecadaver 1 year ago 100
Play Detox!!!!!1111!!!!!
paulgenovo 1 year ago
i can't stand guitars without the fret inlays. they look too weird
theaxelofrose 1 year ago
cause guitar playing is all about how you look?
thejohnofsteel 1 year ago 3
no its like when your playing it hard to remember what fret is what and i usually look at the inlays on the fret not the side of the neck so it screws it up for me
theaxelofrose 1 year ago
what is the song what he starts to play in 3:45???
TA2QUK 1 year ago
Truth
metallicamike 1 year ago
Thank you Devin. My self esteem just lowered to -20.
Floskeknosk 1 year ago 4
His tone is absolutely epic.
Kohe321 2 years ago 52
honestly i never heard EMG's sound that good
toxicity28 1 year ago 2
That's because he's playing through Mesa amp.
googongo 1 year ago 3
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mesa is certainly nothing special
chrismortloch92 1 year ago
@Kohe321 This dude is the king of tone. I could only dream of having such sick ear for such sick tone.
Stygian9 1 year ago 13
@Kohe321 unusually tight for a rectifier I must say!
snapascrew 1 year ago
@Kohe321 Mesa Boogie for you.
Deathz0r94 8 months ago
it was insanely awesome when i saw devin live last week on saturday. it sucked that his set wasn't that long.
Alejandro4891 2 years ago
6:56 a little foofie lol I found a new word
lol woofie!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EmmaThomson2 2 years ago
Does anyone know what song is on during the intro?
MetalHeadMat666 2 years ago
thats been driving me crazy too
haha
mustasparta 2 years ago
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GRYNreaper001 2 years ago
truth
GRYNreaper001 2 years ago
I just checked it out, and that's the song from 3:45, I ment at the beginning with him playing onstage. I'm certain it's a SYL song.
MetalHeadMat666 2 years ago
It's the instrumental break in the latter third of 'Planet Smasher' from the Ziltoid record. If you haven't heard that album it's mind blowing. If you have heard it, forgive me preaching to the converted :)
mysterywhiteboy72 1 year ago 2
That was a reply for MetalHeadMat666 btw... stupid reply system!
mysterywhiteboy72 1 year ago
I dunno if I'm deaf, but I couldn't hear it =s
What point in time is the part at?
MetalHeadMat666 1 year ago
I think it's lower now, an open B. His new guitar is a 28" scale baritone V from Peavey.
KevinFL 2 years ago
fuck yeah townsend
lolpawnage 2 years ago 2
when did he find time to get married?
DissYraiN 2 years ago
devin is such a dude
Kohllikesnachos 2 years ago
Open C tuning? WHAT!!!
TravuhsWree 2 years ago
amazing vid! I saw the Devin Townsend project last night, and they were insane!
what's the song at 3:45?
F990 2 years ago 2
The song's called Truth from the album Infinity.
Sydanyo 2 years ago
awesome thank you
F990 2 years ago
@F990 he would have played that one at the show you went to.
bojosoto 2 years ago
I know, I recognized it from this video, it's a great song
F990 2 years ago
@F990 yeh i think it is one of his best. i am jelous that you got to see him. he is coming to melbourne (australia) where i live, but the show is 18+ so i can't go ;(
bojosoto 2 years ago
lame dude, I'm sorry
F990 2 years ago
"Hey ther, I'm Devin Townsend" *Wanks"
Oh Devin, will you ever cease to amaze me.
Thespaceforurmom 2 years ago 6
They're black and ergonomic and just spiffy.
Gotta love Dev.
plaidman42 2 years ago 2
does anyone know if he is just improvising the beginning part? or is it one of his songs?
F990 2 years ago
0:29 - 0:45 is from The Planet Smasher off of Ziltoid, the rest is improv I'd say
Someone132435 2 years ago
Incredible musician and such a down-to-earth guy, love him, man....
zeppelinman4232 2 years ago 3
lmfao. never thought i'd see a guitar that should be used by eric clapton beefed up with emg's. XD
slinger3456 2 years ago
whats the song at 3:46 ?
TheMetalerEricM 2 years ago
the song is called Truth. It's track 1 off his second album Infinity
bokma7 2 years ago
Truth, on his album Infinity
JOHNNYSxMONKEY 2 years ago
i would defeintevely recommend buying an electric. Unlike the acoustic u need less reach for ur picking hand and u dont need to press as harshly down on the fretboard as u need to on an accoustic + it is a lot more fun :)
orlyithas 2 years ago 5
by starting with an acoustic then going to the electric you get used to the acoustic then when you get an electric you go from ok to fantastic. start with an acoustic,
shaterproofblosm 2 years ago
fuck. he has such an amazing tone
DayOfTheUnlivingDead 2 years ago 6
Why does he always remind me of a heavy metal David Cross?
kolektiv7 2 years ago 2
HOLLY SHIT YOUR RIGHT!
Zachhay11 2 years ago
ok...i'm getting an a guitar soon....i don't know if i should go with the acustic or electric...
i tend to listen to more metal stuff....but i don't know if that's a good enough reason to buy the electic one
which one would be easier/better to start off with??
thx guys :)
MsElectriclover2 2 years ago
I'd go with the acoustic first, it'll be a little harder to handle than an electric, and it will force you to learn some concepts that you might not go over if you jump to electric too soon. (It's just too tempting to turn up the distortion.)
RebornGuitarLearner 2 years ago
i definitely wud go for the acoustic. yes electric can b more fun (but thats an opinion), but in the long run learning on an acoustic will make u a lot better. if you can learn how to make something sound good on an acoustic, it'll instantly be a breeze on the electric - and thats definitely not a reversable process. better to be better at 2 types of guitar right?
jalmuhs 2 years ago
Bullshit. You don't need to learn muting on acoustic as you need on the electric (with distortion), because acoustic doesn't amplify all types of unwanted string noises, scrapes etc.
CleverDjembe 1 year ago
very true, but you're talking right hand technique. i was making my statement from a strictly left hand point of view
jalmuhs 1 year ago
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tremalow 1 year ago
Don't buys a grampa guitars, theys for pussies and grampas, i think you knows it.
entwurfdreizehn 2 years ago
I don't agree with orlyithas. IMO you should start with an acoustic guitar, preferrably with nylon strings, or whatever it's called in English, I'm not sure. Learn properly, start with the basic chords.
Sunrider84 2 years ago
This is true. but on the flip side, it might discourage people if they find it too hard to play.
tomatooverlord 2 years ago
Nylon stringed guitars aren't really harder to play than an electric guitar. I didn't think so when I started at least.
Sunrider84 2 years ago
acoustics in general are more difficult to start out. I DO agree it's better to start out on acoustics, I'm just saying some people get discouraged by that.
tomatooverlord 2 years ago
It depends if the person likes acoustic stuff. Really if they only like metal (which was me) and start acousticly they will likely give up. I did for like three years
superjesus117 2 years ago
yeah, nylon strings are soft
immortalx50 2 years ago
deppends what style you play.....
shaterproofblosm 2 years ago
Not really, no. If it's about what kind of guitar is easier to learn on for a beginner, it has nothing to do with what your style is. You basically don't have a playing style when you are that new.
Sunrider84 2 years ago
hmm, opinions differ.
shaterproofblosm 2 years ago
I don't see how this could even have anything to do with opinions, but I don't mind agreeing to disagree.
Sunrider84 2 years ago
its my opinion that it differs on the style you play and its your opinion that it dousent.
shaterproofblosm 2 years ago
Except that it's an objective thing we're discussing.
Sunrider84 2 years ago
no. stop looking for things to fight with and just respect my opinion like i respect yours.
shaterproofblosm 2 years ago
Looking for a fight? Sigh, this is just pathetic. As I said, I agree to disagree, it's just that this is objective, and if you don't understand that, you should look it up, and go back and learn the basics again too.
Sunrider84 2 years ago
Just play guitar. Period.
DinosaurJr8 1 year ago
3:45 and the whole world just stop to listen...
tgchan 2 years ago
He looks like (PREDATOR) LOL
predator voice (ugly motherfucker)
AMAZING MUSICIAN!!!
JDubR 2 years ago
All Hail Hevy Devy
boynamedsu18 2 years ago 2
lol he's such a whore
blogtvpunk 2 years ago
haha random moth came out his arse (right side of the screen 6.45)
lewismofo 2 years ago
Black and ergonomic... LOL.
newyearsprayer 2 years ago
And just spiffy!
thygod 2 years ago 2
If I turn on Ad-block... this video goes away! :)
skyshock21 2 years ago