The daft thing about the piracy argument is that a number of bands have proved that releasing music for free and getting all their funds from merch is a perfectly viable way of making cash. NIN made a bundle when they were releasing The Slip for free because of the collectors editions and the sheer number of t-shirts people were buying.
FACT: (this isnt a fact, but me saying "FACT" gives it an heir of credibility) Most "Pirates" download something as a 'demo' to see if they like it. Then buy it...
If you mean "Most" by near to 1% off all downloads worldwide, then yes.
I download quite alot, in fact loads. And of those downloads, those hundreds of films, the ones that ive actually bought, is close to 3 films. of the albums ive downloaded, ive bought...0...
Same for my friends, for their download to buy ratio...about 100:1.
@rorrt That's rediculous. I hate it when people download excessively like that. I take the same view as some people that File Sharing amongst friends to raise popularity = good (in small doses). Downloading without willingness to pay for it and piracy etc = bad.
Me saying of what i download i don't buy is quite misleading though. I do have quite an extensive DVD/bluray collection. Close to 100 bought films, not including film, and tv boxsets.if its worth buying i will...
The films i download are either wayyy too expensive. Or just films that i feel dont warrant me buying.
Still i would rarely give someone, or even download a rare indie title, that really does depend on dvd sales.
A big studio can live without my fiver, a indie studio can't
@MRMATRONIC I tend to download a fair amount of stuff, films and music mainly. If there's a film I really love then I'll buy it on DVD, but I refuse to go and spend over half the cost of a DVD on a cinema ticket. Also - music that I like I buy on vinyl, which costs roughly 5-10x more than any other format.
I'd basically rather be 100% certain that I love something before I commit to spending my no-so-hard-earned cash on it, but apparently that makes me a hardened criminal.
@MRMATRONIC I agree, I downloaded a japanese game and I played it (fortunately it was translated to english) and I liked it so much that I ordered it! This game is erotic and you can't buy it in a store! I had to ask a friend of mine to order it for me because I'm not allowed to buy online.
I would see piracy as a form of advertising to some extent. I've downloaded plenty of music due to recommendation of friends and then bought later releases from that. I would never have made those purchases without downloading pirate copies in the first place.
Also i think thatpaying for downloads is where the revenue is being lost. an album download only costs a few quid where as the physical product (CD etc.) can cost anything up to £16 and produce a larger profit (CD production cost is tiny)
This music video is a travesty. I will admit that I've downloaded many, many movies and games in my day, but you know what? I've gone out and purchased every last one that I've liked. The ones I don't like, I delete after previewing a bit. I'm not a thief, I'm just saving myself the hassle of demanding refunds when I find that I don't like something I just spent my hard-earned cash on. Corporations need to understand that without us, they don't exist, so they'd better loosen up a bit and chill.
@halo9449 I wish EA would understand that. They own the rights to all the Bullfrog games and they don't do shit with them when they could just either pack them into a bundle and sell them, or make them available at their website for free (like Bethesda with the first two Elder Scrolls or Rockstar with the first two GTA's).
All you anti-pirating people should realise the difference between being morally right and legally right, the former is the important one. If you need laws to give you moral guidance then i feel bad for you.
All the downloads that I make are things that I would never buy anyway and I make sure not to share them so I'm not costing the creators anything at all.
You could say the same thing about stealing a luxury item such as chocolate. You didn't need the chocolate(you certainly wouldn't have paid for it)-you just wanted it. Doesn't make it right to steal it though. Sometimes the law and morality do coincide. The former may be the 'important one' but it's also far more nebulous. Morality kind of depends on who's point of view it's coming from. Ask a thief and he'll say theft is fine(as long as he's not the victim).
@kurukblackflame Your missing the important difference between stealing choclate and piracy. The virtual digital item has no physical value. I agree that morality is objective, although I'd like to point out that I think stealing physical items of value is immoral
@charlie123abc360 Yes I agree there is a diference and I'm not all out against piracy. I think it's fine to take data that isn't available any other way for example. But also remember the intelectual property , whilst not an actual physical object is still a comodity-the time and effort that went into producing a piece of music or game must be taken into concideration.
Piracy can have a positive effect(with no piracy at all publishers would have a lot more leverage on consumers).
Whether piracy is right or wrong though-we should support the things we like, or there won't be any more of them. If you download an album and enjoy it go and buy the CD. Support the bands/game publishers you like. In this way piracy can become a positive element of the entertainment industry (I'm not singling you out by the way-just chose your post on that side of the argument at random-and there is a lot of truth in what you say:)) It's a complicated issue.
@kurukblackflame Thanks for being fair. I agree that you should support what you want to experience more of and for the most part that's what I try to do :D
The vast majority of modern copyright and anti-piracy laws exist because governments are obsequious puppets that cater to the every whim of multinational businesses & record companies that line their filthy little pockets with "political donations" to fund their ludicrous political campaigns.
WE are the ones being ripped off - not artists and especially not record companies! CDs should cost less than $10 by now dammit.
I would love to petrol bomb Adam Buxtons house for making this shit song. He is a poor little brit who is jealous of rich superstars. Go pay for your music you little cheap cunts and let the rich be rich and you poor little british muslim infested scumbags stay poor.
You re the one who is the fucking idiot not Buxton.
I can understand you disagreeing with him, but saying you are going to petrol bomb his house is clearly more retarded than making up a silly song about video piracy.
I like the part about "We're going to have a party and play some music, and no-ones going to pay". I think that shows how the laws have become too silly, you probably do need to make a log of every track you play at your private party, and send money to the authorities by law. For example, from wiki "In 2007, the PRS took a Scottish car servicing company to court because the employees were allegedly "listening to the radio at work, allowing the music to be 'heard by colleagues and customers."
What do you mean fake? It's a comedy song written for a radio show. They write comedy songs every few weeks for the BBC. It can't be fake by definition. Don't leave comments unless you know what you're commenting on.
I know it's not fake -.- I was merely doing a 'call back' (which no one apparently got) to an episode of their 6 music radio show, in which Adam Buxton mentioned that he enjoys leaving comments like "It's obviously fake!" on videos that obviously aren't, just to see the infuriated and confused responses it gets (kinda like 'trolling'). Judging from your comment, it seems like it still works.
Well, I was actually trolling and being a bit of a conceited ponce whilst defending my comment, when you quite understandably wanted to stand up for Dr. Buckles and the credibility of his brilliant song. So I guess was just as much of a dick, if not more.
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Just wait until the socioeconomic collapse of America, other nations and the whole world system. There will be an explosive growth of both black and underground markets. And incuding an increase in intenet piracy inorder to survive and also to barter and trade. i Guarantee It.
piracy isnt destroyin famous ppls lives because most of the world duznt know how to download pirated versions of movies or refuse to download free mp3s. nd most of these ppl who r 'harmed' by piracy r alredy set 4 money. almost all famous actors/directors r multi-millionares/billionaires
The cameramen, stage hands, schleppers, make-up, assistants, drivers, props, etc. There are hundreds of people in the film, music, software and publishing industries and many millions more in technology that depend on intellectual property rights. Do you want to completely destroy the economy and millions of families just because you want free stuff?
Actually markxq, these behind-the-scenes people are more dependent on the moguls spending than on the buyers. Go to torrentfreak and read some articles about how riaa bosses and other moguls like them keep the money they get from lawsuits for themselves. Or how some media bosses sell copy-written work of artists even if their contract expired, thus aren't allowed to do so anymore... practically a double standard. How about hiding the real figures from people to keep more for themselves? Yeah...
Everyone is a thief because everyone has downloaded a copyrighted picture from google !! And it is such a disaster, more disasterous than the WWII itself !
Hmm. I find no guilt in downloading Bruno a few weeks ago because I wanted to see it but I'm three months away from my eighteenth. I shall probably buy it when it comes out on DVD. I have no problem with downloading old games either, ones which cost a ridiculous amount on eBay. But I don't download new games; if I want them I'll buy them.
i've d-loaded a lot of junk in my time and i'm glad didn't have to pay for it. but i always pay for things games and movies if they've have taken a long time and effort to make even if i could get them for free.
if i could afford to watch all the movies i wanted to see at the cinema i would not need to download anything,. and aint it better ppl see their creation from downloading it then not seeing it at all,.
If the law says the RIAA can sue 14 and 10 year-old little girls and single mothers for sums they can never hope to pay simply for sharing music, then the law's wrong. File sharing is a reality, musicians will just have to deal with it, nobody owes them a living.
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No one ever said anyone is owed a living. But, the law says you can't violate other people''s roighhts. Who said that you are allowed the work of millions of workers for free? Are we your slaves?
You might as well say rape is a reality and women will just have to deal with it.
Rights violated by file-sharing and rape victims are not comparable unless you concede that of all "rights", many are violated legally.
Sharing files doesn't deprive artists of music/films to sell only imaginary potential earnings which the famous successful artists get anyway from concerts, box office receipts etc. Poor unsuccessful artists get ripped off by their record label often ending up in debt to their label due to exploitative contracts requiring them to pay for studio time etc.
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1. What you do mean rights are violated "legally?" Intellectual property rights are defined by the constitution of your countyry. Have you no respect for constitutional rights?
2. Violating copyrights costs millions of workers tens of bilions each year. Pirates "rip off" workers, not these imaginary rich record execs. This is a cartoonish belief pushed by pirates and tv shows.
Take Psystar, allegedly violating Apples rights but perfectly legally. Have you no respect for IP rights which aren't in the constitution?
Unlike rich record execs (Si Cowell, Si Fuller, Tommy Mottola, Rick Rubin), its a fantasy based on little to no evidence that piracy could translate into sales. A news report today said 61% of UK 16-24 year-olds think music should be free. You might as well say Wikipedia put other encyclopedias out of business and costs millions.
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1. Over-simplification. Why do you think Psystar is acting perfectly legally? I think Apple is a foolish company. But, Psystar has done some things which don't look legal to me.
2. Naming four people of the MILLIONS of workers harmed by piracy is ridiculously misleading.
3. There is enormous evidence that a large portion of piracy causes massive harm.
4. 61% of UK 16-24 year-old males probably think they should be able to have sex with anyone they want. What's your point?
the way they r installin mac os on their machines is legal because they r giving sum of their profits 2 apple, they r not hacking the software so no law is bein infringed
Please learn to spell before defending something as fragile and important as this.
@markxq: the millions of workers are not being harmed in any way. Piracy is merely eating into the million times too high revenue of the big businesses. It's just solving a problem, the biz is powerdrunk, and it's sad how many people they have been able to brainwash.
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5. I like Wiki. It does NOTHING illegal. I have NOTHING against people that give away their work for free. I have given away more software than most people here have used. What does this have to do with massive crime against millions of workers? Wiki violates no one's rights. Pirates violate the rights of millions of workers causing them tens of billions in losses each year in the software industry alone. And that does NOT assume all piracy results in lost sales.
@harryncosh You could say the exact same thing about buying anything second hand, it has the exact same amount of damage to their sales as piracy does.
@LarryBundyJr never heard that before. if it was a valid argument then all second hand items would be an issue. if anyone was to make a fuss over second hand items being sold I would imagine it would be car makers.
@puretroubleman It's one of the reasons why publishers are sticking single use online codes with new games at the moment. Where you'll only have half the features if you buy the game used.
Actually (even though this a year after you posted), point 2 isn't really that valid. It's kinda been proven that illegal downloading has actually benefitted the majority of recording artists, in that its given them previously unheard of levels of exposure, has spawned online digital record stores (who have little or no overheads, allowing the artists to take the majority of their from-sales earnings) and has made the big record labels realise they can't fuck people so much anymore.
@markxq It has also been proven that the majority of illegal downloaders are the same people who go out and actually buy physical copies of music/film etc.
In punishing them, all the labels are doing is bitchslapping their own customers.
As for your point one: why did you even type it out? You can't have respect for all the constitutional rights of everyone all over the world, because (as you yourself said) they're defined by each country and therefore are different in every country!
That's spot on! I know buskers that knock out better tunes than most of these overrated overpaid "artists" seriously its a joke, they need to see reality, the best thing is, most musicians just make music for the love, getting there music played to the public makes them happy, then after that has wore off they turn to greed and selling out, you listened to the radio? autotune, autotune, etc etc etc they all sound the same, there all after that cut off the pie, they get what they deserve.
"musicians will just have to deal with it, nobody owes them a living" - Well nobody owes you music either. I don't get why people think it's so unreasonable to pay for music. Just because the technology exists to help us break the law doesn't mean it's right. You or I could walk into a shop and steal a loaf of bread - but how many people would say that "nobody owes the baker a living"? Music is a craft like any other, so why should anyone have the right to steal it?
@markxq Why do you say that "CuntScab" is anti-female after admitting you don't know what it means?
Many females are reclaiming the word cunt in the same way that terms like nigger, fag and even nerd have been reclaimed by the groups they used to offend. In any case, where I come from cunt is used as a term of abuse and endearment for men and women alike.
you live in a twisted world man, laws are there to provide guidance and protection yes.
But that does not mean that every law is by definition right. Laws are a product of the civilisation they are made in, if that civilisation subsequently changes, those laws may not still apply.
That does not mean that breaking the law is correct, but it does mean that if the majority of people think the law should be changed .. it should be. That time is coming, just you wait.
Car thieves may morally disagree with laws against car theft. Does that mean we should let them steal cars? This is a world of laws. People that do not believe in law are called criminals.
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Excuse after excuse.
This is the same logic used by Hippies in the 60s. They thought the world would be so much better if everything was free, nobody worked and they just had sex and did drugs all day. So, they would hang out in parks doing drugs until they ran out. Then they would shoplift, or hit some guy with a brick and take his wallet. They thought this was OK since anyone with money was obviously corrupt.
Pirates, like Hippies, have no respect for law, workers or rights.
Layoffs have been enormous in the film, music and software game industries since 2001. TakeTwo has lost $1.5 Billion in market cap. EA Games lost $300,000,000 last quarter and laid off 1,000 workers. Once again you are in denial.
Pirates steal tens of bilions from millions of workers each year and just lie about the harm done. They don't give a shit about workers or their children. Pirates just want to satisy their greed and will invent the silliest rationalizations for violating our rights.
Spoken like a criminal. There is nothing outdated about copyright law. It is pirates that want to live in the Middle Ages, where people that used their brains for work had to beg for food. In the 18th Century, they changed the law and realized work created by the brain is as valuable as work created by muscle. And the world flourished.
Pirates are simply greedy people that make wild excuses to cover their crimes against workers. The day of massive crime against workers is ending.
this isn't the 18 century. intellectual property law now hinders our intellectual development. free sharing of art and ideas won't put anyone in the poor house. you can't see this because you want your buck and can't see what the next guy needs, or his children.
2. Loss of a trademark is rare and nearly always occurs when the owner fails to warn abusers of the misuse.
3. People that "ditch" laws they don't like are called criminals. That's why we build prisons. Your same rationale could be used for car theft or murder.
people that ditch laws are called elected governments of the people. they're slow but they get there eventually
i don't need to argue with you, because your way of life is over. join us. make youtube poops, write free software. create art for love, not because an outdated law says you can milk profit from idiots by selling them shit.
You are talking pure nonsense. If you download, you violate the rights of the owner by making a copy. Every unauthorized copy is a violation. It matters not that someone else also violated rights.
Your statement that copyright doesn't exist is a denial of reality. Copyright exists in 164 countries. Pirates steal tens of billions from millions of workers each year. Pirates are against sharing. They refuse to share in the costs of development.
you're talking about laws. laws don't make reality, and when they deviate from what we need it's time to ditch them
but while we're off-topic... did you know that a registered trademark is only valid if you can enforce it? if a bunch of people copy your trademark, you can't keep it as a trademark. how long do you think it'll take for civil court judges to notice that copyright is no longer technically enforceable and therefore no longer morally and legally valid?
Much diffrent, think about it if you could copy a bag and the person you took it from didnt loose any thing you would do that. this exactly what file shareing is.
Second, it is not "file sharing." It is stealing. If I invest a pile of time and money developing a piece of software, I have an asset. I can sell that asset to a distributor and recoup my investment. But, if Pirate Bay steals it and distributes for free (making a ton with ads,) no distributor will touch it. My asset is diminished. The owner gets seriously hurt. It is a lie to say no one loses.
What if you had a paper bag with nothing in it, I came up to you and "copied" it .. You would still have your bag, the only difference is: now I do too.
Copying is a new technology that the current law does not apply to or makes sense of. Stop trying to force copying into the existing boxes and give it what it deserves: it's own box.
Whatever. At the end of the day all I'm saying is that those adverts are clearly using lies to scare people. Saying things like "stealing is a crime" and "stealing is against the law" clearly imply that downloading movies is ubiquitous to stealing in a legal sense. Which of course it is not.
Mr MCHammersmith ... Umm ... you are depriving the rightful owner of the song rights his (or her) money ... their livelihood .... which I am pretty certain is something they can use.
A. The livelihood of musicians comes from concerts; not albums. Albums get money for record companies, who do about as much work during the song's production as the person downloading.
B. Most downloads occur because the people downloading either don't have the money to buy the song, or don't care about it THAT much.
C. No musician has ever lost their livelihood because of downloads.
And lastly, D. I can use about fifty pounds of alchohol, but that doesn't make it right.
1. There's nothing about concerts that are capable of losing money for the performers themselves, since the performers aren't the ones who pay to use the concert locations. The cost of the equipment is negligable.
2. I'm sorry you've taking to leaping to conclusions like this. You must be a unsuccessful, aspiring artist yourself, in that case, because I can't think of any other reason why someone would be in such a hurry to pin blame for something that really harms no one.
There's also the morality of the situation to consider. Morality is different from law, and in some cases, directly opposed to it. How can we how to reach a stable economic state unless we at least try to reach a balance between the production costs and the prices of products? It's unfortunate for many artists, but the dawn of the internet has reduced the production costs of most entertainment products to 0, to the point where it's questionable to charge for them.
Production costs are near 0? How on Earth did you come up with that? The video game GTA IV costs $35,000,000 to develop. Dark Knight costs nearly $200,000,000.
Take II has lost $1.5 billion in market cap since 2001. EA Games lost $300,000,000 last quarter and laid off 600 workers.
Yes morality is important. Pirates steal billions from millions of workers for their own greed. And they violate rights in your constitution.
My constitution? When we got it, it was OUR constitution!
For your information, none of what you just said had anything to do with piracy. Take-two lost money because their stocks fell along with everyone else's, and because they didn't release their games on time, and EA lost money because their stocks fell, and because people are starting to recognize how inconsiderate and abusive they are to their customers.
Furthermore, I said PRODUCTION costs, not DEVELOPMENT costs. Video games may cost large amounts to develop, but they can be PRODUCED for under a buck.
Lastly, and I won't argue with you anymore after this, because you obviously have done no serious studying in economics, a view the morality of the situation from the same perspective as St. John Chrysostom, with the record companies and studios as the rich and everyone else as the poor. To quote...
"Not to enable the poor to share in our goods is to steal from them and deprive them of life. The goods we possess are not ours, but theirs."
6. Quoting a 2,300 year old religious figure is odd, to say the least. I could come up with any number of odd quotes from ancient days.
7. It is a sick lie that artists are all poor and distributors all rich. You are trying to set class against class. In fact, the owners of most distributors are stock-holders, and the majority of stocks are held by institutions. That is, pension funds, mutual funds, 401Ks, etc. In other works, pensions for workers.
8. And in lumping all distributors into a class of "rich," you completely ignore the growing number of indies. I am an independent software developer. I spend a year of my time and my own money to create a software product. Then Pirate Bay steals it, makes money off of my hard work, and I'm screwed. My rights are violated.
So let's stop this "class warfare" and call it what it is. Massive violation of rights of workers.
And you don't understand statistics. Tens of billions are not lost by workers. They just aren't gained. The workers don't have to pay tens of billions of dollars to product those songs. They pay nothing to produce songs, and virtually none of the still-huge profit that recording companies and studios make winds up in their hands. Research, man! Research!
1. This is twice you said I understand nothing about statistics. Again, these are not my statistics. They are from people with PHDs.
2. According to your logic. the recession has hurt no one either.
3. It is a lie that there are huge profits. Take II has lost $1.5 billion in market cap since 2001. EA Games lost $300,000,000 last quarter and laid off 600 workers.
Lol I always find these ads amusing as copyright infringement is not in fact stealing, it is copyright infringement. Theft implies you deprive the rightful owner of whatever it is you stole so that they can no longer use it. Downloading films doesn't quite fit this description now does it...
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Steal - "To take or appropriate dishonestly anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial."
From Websters: "STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things"
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Steal - "To take or appropriate dishonestly anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial."
From Websters: "STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things"
Anfd, Pirate Bay was sentenced to prison in a criminal trial as have many other pirates.
Yeah they went to prison for 1 year for accessory to crime against copyright law NOT stealing. I never said it was right to download things, just the ridiculousness of people like the RIAA and BPI who accuse people who do it of stealing when they are clearly wrong.
2. It is the same. Both steal from workers. Look at the definition:
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Steal - "To take or appropriate dishonestly anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial."
From Websters: "STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things"
The crook wins and the owner loses. How is that not stealing?
Because it just isn't stealing. Those definitions are wrong, for someone to be convicted of stealing/theft in a legal sense they must deprive the owner of whatever it is they take. Downloading a film does not deprive the owner of it, they still have it.
Every arrest that has ever been made in connection to piracy has ALWAYS been on charges relating to copyright infringement never stealing.
Just because you think they're the same does not mean that legally they are. They are not. End of.
1. People that think they know more about words than dictionaries are funny.
2. Again, "steal" is not a legal term. Read before you respond.
3. If I spend $1,000,000 developing a piece of software, I have an asset. I can sell that asset to a distributor and recoup my investment. But, if Pirate Bay steals it and distributes for free (making a ton with ads,) no distributor will touch it. My asset is diminished. The owner IS deprived.
4. People that say "end of discussion" are funny.
1. The common law system is not derived from the dictionary.
2. Steal is a synonym of the legal term theft.
3. No you are not deprived. If I break into your home, log on to your computer and delete the source code then yes you are deprived. By copying it you are not, you still have it.
Wonder if 30 people went and paid for this on itunes or just listen for free?
mmabennyj 1 week ago
@mmabennyj it's from a free podcast.
KantorekBaumerB14 6 days ago
@KantorekBaumerB14 I know. I was drunk and trying to be funny. Clearly I failed. Smarties make me naughty.
mmabennyj 6 days ago
@mmabennyj ._.
KantorekBaumerB14 6 days ago
The daft thing about the piracy argument is that a number of bands have proved that releasing music for free and getting all their funds from merch is a perfectly viable way of making cash. NIN made a bundle when they were releasing The Slip for free because of the collectors editions and the sheer number of t-shirts people were buying.
blokey8 2 weeks ago
What Lamar Smith thinks is playing in every Internet user's head.
Verozzani 2 weeks ago
The ironic song was the anti-piracy team who created this video stole the song themselves.
There's a big court case about it going on ATM over it.
LarryBundyJr 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos 5
Just pirated this song.
gameplayer765 2 months ago
This is fake
SnoopyChicken 2 months ago
I fucking lol'd.
Verozzani 3 months ago
...And I want to go to Hell, cuz Satan's got free wifi everywhere!"
Love.
In2TheRoses 5 months ago
The word that flashes up very quickly at 1:20 looks like "Zombied"? Obviously the Germans are a lot stricter with their anti piracy punishments.
RH98 7 months ago
You could say the exact same thing about buying anything second hand, it has the exact same amount of damage to their sales as piracy does.
LarryBundyJr 8 months ago
FACT: (this isnt a fact, but me saying "FACT" gives it an heir of credibility) Most "Pirates" download something as a 'demo' to see if they like it. Then buy it...
If you mean "Most" by near to 1% off all downloads worldwide, then yes.
I download quite alot, in fact loads. And of those downloads, those hundreds of films, the ones that ive actually bought, is close to 3 films. of the albums ive downloaded, ive bought...0...
Same for my friends, for their download to buy ratio...about 100:1.
rorrt 9 months ago
@rorrt That's rediculous. I hate it when people download excessively like that. I take the same view as some people that File Sharing amongst friends to raise popularity = good (in small doses). Downloading without willingness to pay for it and piracy etc = bad.
MRMATRONIC 9 months ago
Me saying of what i download i don't buy is quite misleading though. I do have quite an extensive DVD/bluray collection. Close to 100 bought films, not including film, and tv boxsets.if its worth buying i will...
The films i download are either wayyy too expensive. Or just films that i feel dont warrant me buying.
Still i would rarely give someone, or even download a rare indie title, that really does depend on dvd sales.
A big studio can live without my fiver, a indie studio can't
rorrt 9 months ago
@MRMATRONIC I tend to download a fair amount of stuff, films and music mainly. If there's a film I really love then I'll buy it on DVD, but I refuse to go and spend over half the cost of a DVD on a cinema ticket. Also - music that I like I buy on vinyl, which costs roughly 5-10x more than any other format.
I'd basically rather be 100% certain that I love something before I commit to spending my no-so-hard-earned cash on it, but apparently that makes me a hardened criminal.
DJUsive1 8 months ago
@MRMATRONIC I agree, I downloaded a japanese game and I played it (fortunately it was translated to english) and I liked it so much that I ordered it! This game is erotic and you can't buy it in a store! I had to ask a friend of mine to order it for me because I'm not allowed to buy online.
SpawnSpectre 8 months ago
Fact: most 'Pirates' download something as a 'demo' to see if they like it. they then buy it.
CodexAnother 9 months ago
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TheCosmicGypsies 9 months ago
"You wouldn't steal a car"
If you could DOWNLOAD a car, I sure as hell would!
LarryBundyJr 9 months ago 2
@LarryBundyJr You can download a car! Papercraft ftw.
MichaelBradley1988 9 months ago
simple watch korn - ya'll want a single...
gurrmeow666 11 months ago
I would see piracy as a form of advertising to some extent. I've downloaded plenty of music due to recommendation of friends and then bought later releases from that. I would never have made those purchases without downloading pirate copies in the first place.
Also i think thatpaying for downloads is where the revenue is being lost. an album download only costs a few quid where as the physical product (CD etc.) can cost anything up to £16 and produce a larger profit (CD production cost is tiny)
jazzyjoff 1 year ago
This music video is a travesty. I will admit that I've downloaded many, many movies and games in my day, but you know what? I've gone out and purchased every last one that I've liked. The ones I don't like, I delete after previewing a bit. I'm not a thief, I'm just saving myself the hassle of demanding refunds when I find that I don't like something I just spent my hard-earned cash on. Corporations need to understand that without us, they don't exist, so they'd better loosen up a bit and chill.
halo9449 1 year ago
@halo9449 I wish EA would understand that. They own the rights to all the Bullfrog games and they don't do shit with them when they could just either pack them into a bundle and sell them, or make them available at their website for free (like Bethesda with the first two Elder Scrolls or Rockstar with the first two GTA's).
SpawnSpectre 8 months ago 2
Garageband Samples!
qxtctv 1 year ago
You would'nt download a car!
SquidMonk3y 1 year ago 2
@SquidMonk3y F*** you, I would if I could!
legoackbar 1 year ago
I steal kids! Well I don't steal kids, bit I might!
Baronofevil 1 year ago
To quote Henry Rollins:
"If you want to steal my stuff, you go ahead and do to me what record labels have been doing to me for years."
bobokk 1 year ago 3
Totally forgot about how awesome this is. Bravo!
tomharding 1 year ago
U wouldnt shoot a policeman in the back. Thaen steal his helmet. Then take a shit in it. Then send the helmet to his grieving widow.
ten060 1 year ago
see artists make most of there money from concerts and what not plus the money other people actually buy music
rootwo62 1 year ago 2
lol pretty catchy song
ChineseCommando 1 year ago
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A BREAD
wowrulez111 1 year ago 7
All you anti-pirating people should realise the difference between being morally right and legally right, the former is the important one. If you need laws to give you moral guidance then i feel bad for you.
All the downloads that I make are things that I would never buy anyway and I make sure not to share them so I'm not costing the creators anything at all.
charlie123abc360 1 year ago 7
@charlie123abc360
You could say the same thing about stealing a luxury item such as chocolate. You didn't need the chocolate(you certainly wouldn't have paid for it)-you just wanted it. Doesn't make it right to steal it though. Sometimes the law and morality do coincide. The former may be the 'important one' but it's also far more nebulous. Morality kind of depends on who's point of view it's coming from. Ask a thief and he'll say theft is fine(as long as he's not the victim).
kurukblackflame 1 year ago
@kurukblackflame Your missing the important difference between stealing choclate and piracy. The virtual digital item has no physical value. I agree that morality is objective, although I'd like to point out that I think stealing physical items of value is immoral
charlie123abc360 1 year ago
@charlie123abc360 Yes I agree there is a diference and I'm not all out against piracy. I think it's fine to take data that isn't available any other way for example. But also remember the intelectual property , whilst not an actual physical object is still a comodity-the time and effort that went into producing a piece of music or game must be taken into concideration.
Piracy can have a positive effect(with no piracy at all publishers would have a lot more leverage on consumers).
kurukblackflame 1 year ago
@charlie123abc360
Whether piracy is right or wrong though-we should support the things we like, or there won't be any more of them. If you download an album and enjoy it go and buy the CD. Support the bands/game publishers you like. In this way piracy can become a positive element of the entertainment industry (I'm not singling you out by the way-just chose your post on that side of the argument at random-and there is a lot of truth in what you say:)) It's a complicated issue.
kurukblackflame 1 year ago
@kurukblackflame Thanks for being fair. I agree that you should support what you want to experience more of and for the most part that's what I try to do :D
charlie123abc360 1 year ago
This video is very funny.
To the dissenters and nay-sayers I say this:
The vast majority of modern copyright and anti-piracy laws exist because governments are obsequious puppets that cater to the every whim of multinational businesses & record companies that line their filthy little pockets with "political donations" to fund their ludicrous political campaigns.
WE are the ones being ripped off - not artists and especially not record companies! CDs should cost less than $10 by now dammit.
Mentocthemindtaker 1 year ago 11
Hate ? wtf just cos someone pirates something doesnt mean they are hateful.
KeromorV2 1 year ago
so where can i download this?
wellmellgell 1 year ago 4
@wellmellgell
phillipbailey70 1 year ago
@wellmellgell
google "adam and joe + pirates of the airwaves"
I would have given you the IP address but YouTube doesn't like that for some reason... anyway - enjoy!
phillipbailey70 1 year ago
Buck-u-lees!! I sing this song before any of my family try to play a 'knock-off'!!
STEPHEN?!?!?!
phillipbailey70 1 year ago
@phillipbailey70 Just coming!!!!
robflel 1 year ago
What would be funny is if there was a link to a torrent for this album in the decription
ModdedMoogle 1 year ago 4
which would be ironic
a3poify 1 year ago
which would be ironic... love it
standardbrit 2 years ago
yes, i'm evil, i'm scum, stick the law right up yer bum, cos i'm gonna copy your products anyway, yeah!
tell it like it is, adam.
CJOKUSAP 2 years ago 3
this is epic!
Bassey13455 2 years ago
such a fake
barrybas 2 years ago
@barrybas hurr, durr. Anyone who's ever watched a non-pirated DVD could tell you that you fucking genius.
Mentocthemindtaker 1 year ago
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I would love to petrol bomb Adam Buxtons house for making this shit song. He is a poor little brit who is jealous of rich superstars. Go pay for your music you little cheap cunts and let the rich be rich and you poor little british muslim infested scumbags stay poor.
borgirdummu 2 years ago
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Dragon555 2 years ago
You re the one who is the fucking idiot not Buxton.
I can understand you disagreeing with him, but saying you are going to petrol bomb his house is clearly more retarded than making up a silly song about video piracy.
jackgreaves18 2 years ago 10
@borgirdummu lol what a cunt
mooxim 2 years ago
@borgirdummu And Id love to poke you in the eye with my penis but some shit's jsut never gonna happen!
voltage17121712 2 years ago
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You would love to put your cock on a guys face? Fucking faggot. Hope your faggot dad has a heart attack tonight. And your faggot mum dies soon too.
borgirdummu 2 years ago
@borgirdummu Wow! :P
Someones insecure.
:D
voltage17121712 2 years ago
@borgirdummu hahaha fuck you you fuckin idiot haha what planet do you fuckin live on dude? wtf!!! haha you fuckin faggot
Filthdrive 2 years ago
fuck in hell u septic cunt
ismcb4sc 2 years ago
I like the part about "We're going to have a party and play some music, and no-ones going to pay". I think that shows how the laws have become too silly, you probably do need to make a log of every track you play at your private party, and send money to the authorities by law. For example, from wiki "In 2007, the PRS took a Scottish car servicing company to court because the employees were allegedly "listening to the radio at work, allowing the music to be 'heard by colleagues and customers."
LewisLane33 2 years ago 34
watch?v=djVaJN0f0VQ
barakuda1111 2 years ago
you're taking their pools and you're taking their cars you BASTARDS!!!
R4GEAG41NSTTH3M4CH1N 2 years ago 9
You better believe it pal. Cause we're evil, we're stum, stick the law up your bum!
mrsquaredot 2 years ago 7
"every file that you download to your computer represents a physical purchase you would have made - possibly"
best. lyrics. ever.
Samyboi44 2 years ago 17
I ought to knock your block offs
jrh767 2 years ago 3
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I just got one thing to say: This video is soo obviously fake!
robinb88 2 years ago
What do you mean fake? It's a comedy song written for a radio show. They write comedy songs every few weeks for the BBC. It can't be fake by definition. Don't leave comments unless you know what you're commenting on.
BCruiser101 2 years ago 2
I know it's not fake -.- I was merely doing a 'call back' (which no one apparently got) to an episode of their 6 music radio show, in which Adam Buxton mentioned that he enjoys leaving comments like "It's obviously fake!" on videos that obviously aren't, just to see the infuriated and confused responses it gets (kinda like 'trolling'). Judging from your comment, it seems like it still works.
robinb88 2 years ago 5
I feel like a right dick. Obviously it does work and I fell for it. Sorry for the aggressive tone, it was out of order.
BCruiser101 2 years ago
Well, I was actually trolling and being a bit of a conceited ponce whilst defending my comment, when you quite understandably wanted to stand up for Dr. Buckles and the credibility of his brilliant song. So I guess was just as much of a dick, if not more.
robinb88 2 years ago 4
Forget about it man. Let's just agree that Dr. Buckles is a funny fucker.
BCruiser101 2 years ago 2
Indeed.
robinb88 2 years ago 2
lol how could it be fake? Adam buxton just pretended to write a song but didnt realy?
jrh767 2 years ago
Nope, i'm watching it right now, i can positively say it's a real video. See those moving pictures? that's real. it's not imaginary.
Willwillwritehiswill 2 years ago 2
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Just wait until the socioeconomic collapse of America, other nations and the whole world system. There will be an explosive growth of both black and underground markets. And incuding an increase in intenet piracy inorder to survive and also to barter and trade. i Guarantee It.
powermousey 2 years ago
That's hundreds of millions
markxq 2 years ago
piracy isnt destroyin famous ppls lives because most of the world duznt know how to download pirated versions of movies or refuse to download free mp3s. nd most of these ppl who r 'harmed' by piracy r alredy set 4 money. almost all famous actors/directors r multi-millionares/billionaires
acdcdude1015 2 years ago
Another sick lie. MThe millions of workers pirates steal from ARE NOT RICH. You harm average workers.
markxq 2 years ago
name one of the ppl workin on these sorta films who is not rich, i can name tons who are
acdcdude1015 2 years ago
The cameramen, stage hands, schleppers, make-up, assistants, drivers, props, etc. There are hundreds of people in the film, music, software and publishing industries and many millions more in technology that depend on intellectual property rights. Do you want to completely destroy the economy and millions of families just because you want free stuff?
markxq 2 years ago
Actually markxq, these behind-the-scenes people are more dependent on the moguls spending than on the buyers. Go to torrentfreak and read some articles about how riaa bosses and other moguls like them keep the money they get from lawsuits for themselves. Or how some media bosses sell copy-written work of artists even if their contract expired, thus aren't allowed to do so anymore... practically a double standard. How about hiding the real figures from people to keep more for themselves? Yeah...
emax27 2 years ago 6
Everyone is a thief because everyone has downloaded a copyrighted picture from google !! And it is such a disaster, more disasterous than the WWII itself !
GenyaArikado 2 years ago 2
Hmm. I find no guilt in downloading Bruno a few weeks ago because I wanted to see it but I'm three months away from my eighteenth. I shall probably buy it when it comes out on DVD. I have no problem with downloading old games either, ones which cost a ridiculous amount on eBay. But I don't download new games; if I want them I'll buy them.
Of course I know there's no excuses, but still...
DarkTsubasa 2 years ago
LMAO!!!!
XBOX360PLAY3R 2 years ago
This is one of the greatest songs ever written, and THE greatest song written in the past 5 years.
jhohcable 2 years ago 6
i've d-loaded a lot of junk in my time and i'm glad didn't have to pay for it. but i always pay for things games and movies if they've have taken a long time and effort to make even if i could get them for free.
zibeddy 2 years ago
if i could afford to watch all the movies i wanted to see at the cinema i would not need to download anything,. and aint it better ppl see their creation from downloading it then not seeing it at all,.
nelsing1978 2 years ago 5
It depends on whether you'd have gone to see it, or failing that, bought the DVD, had a free alternative not been available.
The problem is when people that would normally have gone to the cinema, or bought the DVD, download it instead.
Having people see your work is nice, but it doesn't pay the bills.
oideroid 2 years ago 2
You wouldn't download a car.
Tagemandbagem 2 years ago 8
that's what YOU think :P
OneManDoomsday 2 years ago
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World of laws means something to honest people. What does your handle "CuntScab" mean? The most disgusting anti-female handle I have ever seen.
It is no suprise you have no respect for women since you have consistently displayed a lack of respect for laws, rights or workers.
markxq 2 years ago
If the law says the RIAA can sue 14 and 10 year-old little girls and single mothers for sums they can never hope to pay simply for sharing music, then the law's wrong. File sharing is a reality, musicians will just have to deal with it, nobody owes them a living.
harryncosh 2 years ago 34
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No one ever said anyone is owed a living. But, the law says you can't violate other people''s roighhts. Who said that you are allowed the work of millions of workers for free? Are we your slaves?
You might as well say rape is a reality and women will just have to deal with it.
markxq 2 years ago
Rights violated by file-sharing and rape victims are not comparable unless you concede that of all "rights", many are violated legally.
Sharing files doesn't deprive artists of music/films to sell only imaginary potential earnings which the famous successful artists get anyway from concerts, box office receipts etc. Poor unsuccessful artists get ripped off by their record label often ending up in debt to their label due to exploitative contracts requiring them to pay for studio time etc.
harryncosh 2 years ago 19
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1. What you do mean rights are violated "legally?" Intellectual property rights are defined by the constitution of your countyry. Have you no respect for constitutional rights?
2. Violating copyrights costs millions of workers tens of bilions each year. Pirates "rip off" workers, not these imaginary rich record execs. This is a cartoonish belief pushed by pirates and tv shows.
markxq 2 years ago
Take Psystar, allegedly violating Apples rights but perfectly legally. Have you no respect for IP rights which aren't in the constitution?
Unlike rich record execs (Si Cowell, Si Fuller, Tommy Mottola, Rick Rubin), its a fantasy based on little to no evidence that piracy could translate into sales. A news report today said 61% of UK 16-24 year-olds think music should be free. You might as well say Wikipedia put other encyclopedias out of business and costs millions.
harryncosh 2 years ago 24
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1. Over-simplification. Why do you think Psystar is acting perfectly legally? I think Apple is a foolish company. But, Psystar has done some things which don't look legal to me.
2. Naming four people of the MILLIONS of workers harmed by piracy is ridiculously misleading.
3. There is enormous evidence that a large portion of piracy causes massive harm.
4. 61% of UK 16-24 year-old males probably think they should be able to have sex with anyone they want. What's your point?
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markxq 2 years ago
I beg to differ on your forth point.
XChillX42 2 years ago
the way they r installin mac os on their machines is legal because they r giving sum of their profits 2 apple, they r not hacking the software so no law is bein infringed
acdcdude1015 2 years ago
Please learn to spell before defending something as fragile and important as this.
@markxq: the millions of workers are not being harmed in any way. Piracy is merely eating into the million times too high revenue of the big businesses. It's just solving a problem, the biz is powerdrunk, and it's sad how many people they have been able to brainwash.
m0joGriffin 2 years ago 6
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5. I like Wiki. It does NOTHING illegal. I have NOTHING against people that give away their work for free. I have given away more software than most people here have used. What does this have to do with massive crime against millions of workers? Wiki violates no one's rights. Pirates violate the rights of millions of workers causing them tens of billions in losses each year in the software industry alone. And that does NOT assume all piracy results in lost sales.
markxq 2 years ago
@harryncosh You could say the exact same thing about buying anything second hand, it has the exact same amount of damage to their sales as piracy does.
LarryBundyJr 8 months ago
@LarryBundyJr there's a massive difference between second hand items and items which can be digitally copied.
puretroubleman 6 months ago
@puretroubleman Oh, publishers of video games say that the second hand market is worse than piracy as it's totally legal.
LarryBundyJr 6 months ago
@LarryBundyJr never heard that before. if it was a valid argument then all second hand items would be an issue. if anyone was to make a fuss over second hand items being sold I would imagine it would be car makers.
puretroubleman 6 months ago
@puretroubleman It's one of the reasons why publishers are sticking single use online codes with new games at the moment. Where you'll only have half the features if you buy the game used.
LarryBundyJr 6 months ago
@markxq
Actually (even though this a year after you posted), point 2 isn't really that valid. It's kinda been proven that illegal downloading has actually benefitted the majority of recording artists, in that its given them previously unheard of levels of exposure, has spawned online digital record stores (who have little or no overheads, allowing the artists to take the majority of their from-sales earnings) and has made the big record labels realise they can't fuck people so much anymore.
DJUsive1 8 months ago
@markxq It has also been proven that the majority of illegal downloaders are the same people who go out and actually buy physical copies of music/film etc.
In punishing them, all the labels are doing is bitchslapping their own customers.
As for your point one: why did you even type it out? You can't have respect for all the constitutional rights of everyone all over the world, because (as you yourself said) they're defined by each country and therefore are different in every country!
DJUsive1 8 months ago 3
No one owes them a living, but they are owed money if someone takes work that they're selling.
oideroid 2 years ago 2
That's spot on! I know buskers that knock out better tunes than most of these overrated overpaid "artists" seriously its a joke, they need to see reality, the best thing is, most musicians just make music for the love, getting there music played to the public makes them happy, then after that has wore off they turn to greed and selling out, you listened to the radio? autotune, autotune, etc etc etc they all sound the same, there all after that cut off the pie, they get what they deserve.
fukdyamum 1 year ago 3
@harryncosh
"musicians will just have to deal with it, nobody owes them a living" - Well nobody owes you music either. I don't get why people think it's so unreasonable to pay for music. Just because the technology exists to help us break the law doesn't mean it's right. You or I could walk into a shop and steal a loaf of bread - but how many people would say that "nobody owes the baker a living"? Music is a craft like any other, so why should anyone have the right to steal it?
tomedkins 1 year ago
@markxq Why do you say that "CuntScab" is anti-female after admitting you don't know what it means?
Many females are reclaiming the word cunt in the same way that terms like nigger, fag and even nerd have been reclaimed by the groups they used to offend. In any case, where I come from cunt is used as a term of abuse and endearment for men and women alike.
papercutpictures 1 year ago
YES. This is a world of laws. Civilization requires laws. We build prisons to put away uncivilized people so they can't harm the rest of us.
markxq 2 years ago
'world of laws' doesn't even mean anything
cuntscab555 2 years ago
you live in a twisted world man, laws are there to provide guidance and protection yes.
But that does not mean that every law is by definition right. Laws are a product of the civilisation they are made in, if that civilisation subsequently changes, those laws may not still apply.
That does not mean that breaking the law is correct, but it does mean that if the majority of people think the law should be changed .. it should be. That time is coming, just you wait.
m0joGriffin 2 years ago 5
Car thieves may morally disagree with laws against car theft. Does that mean we should let them steal cars? This is a world of laws. People that do not believe in law are called criminals.
markxq 2 years ago
i asked you, not a car thief. would you bow to a law you believed was wrong?
cuntscab555 2 years ago 2
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Excuse after excuse.
This is the same logic used by Hippies in the 60s. They thought the world would be so much better if everything was free, nobody worked and they just had sex and did drugs all day. So, they would hang out in parks doing drugs until they ran out. Then they would shoplift, or hit some guy with a brick and take his wallet. They thought this was OK since anyone with money was obviously corrupt.
Pirates, like Hippies, have no respect for law, workers or rights.
markxq 2 years ago
if your morality disagreed with a point of law, which would you follow?
cuntscab555 2 years ago
Layoffs have been enormous in the film, music and software game industries since 2001. TakeTwo has lost $1.5 Billion in market cap. EA Games lost $300,000,000 last quarter and laid off 1,000 workers. Once again you are in denial.
Pirates steal tens of bilions from millions of workers each year and just lie about the harm done. They don't give a shit about workers or their children. Pirates just want to satisy their greed and will invent the silliest rationalizations for violating our rights.
markxq 2 years ago
the economy was a lie. ea games is the chrysler of game companies. the market has adjusted you
cuntscab555 2 years ago
Spoken like a criminal. There is nothing outdated about copyright law. It is pirates that want to live in the Middle Ages, where people that used their brains for work had to beg for food. In the 18th Century, they changed the law and realized work created by the brain is as valuable as work created by muscle. And the world flourished.
Pirates are simply greedy people that make wild excuses to cover their crimes against workers. The day of massive crime against workers is ending.
markxq 2 years ago
no one is the film industry is starving
this isn't the 18 century. intellectual property law now hinders our intellectual development. free sharing of art and ideas won't put anyone in the poor house. you can't see this because you want your buck and can't see what the next guy needs, or his children.
fine. union up, bro. go down fighting
cuntscab555 2 years ago 6
1. Trademarks are completely different.
2. Loss of a trademark is rare and nearly always occurs when the owner fails to warn abusers of the misuse.
3. People that "ditch" laws they don't like are called criminals. That's why we build prisons. Your same rationale could be used for car theft or murder.
markxq 2 years ago
people that ditch laws are called elected governments of the people. they're slow but they get there eventually
i don't need to argue with you, because your way of life is over. join us. make youtube poops, write free software. create art for love, not because an outdated law says you can milk profit from idiots by selling them shit.
top notch song btw, adam
cuntscab555 2 years ago
You are talking pure nonsense. If you download, you violate the rights of the owner by making a copy. Every unauthorized copy is a violation. It matters not that someone else also violated rights.
Your statement that copyright doesn't exist is a denial of reality. Copyright exists in 164 countries. Pirates steal tens of billions from millions of workers each year. Pirates are against sharing. They refuse to share in the costs of development.
markxq 2 years ago
you're talking about laws. laws don't make reality, and when they deviate from what we need it's time to ditch them
but while we're off-topic... did you know that a registered trademark is only valid if you can enforce it? if a bunch of people copy your trademark, you can't keep it as a trademark. how long do you think it'll take for civil court judges to notice that copyright is no longer technically enforceable and therefore no longer morally and legally valid?
if you want to talk law...
cuntscab555 2 years ago
this is soo funny adam buxton =legend
joe's cool aswell
wellmellgell 2 years ago 3
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Here how it works:
white people pay so they make more...
us pirates take what white people payed for and share it for public :)
iHayder 2 years ago
Much diffrent, think about it if you could copy a bag and the person you took it from didnt loose any thing you would do that. this exactly what file shareing is.
realmusic629 2 years ago
First, it is illegal to copy a bag.
Second, it is not "file sharing." It is stealing. If I invest a pile of time and money developing a piece of software, I have an asset. I can sell that asset to a distributor and recoup my investment. But, if Pirate Bay steals it and distributes for free (making a ton with ads,) no distributor will touch it. My asset is diminished. The owner gets seriously hurt. It is a lie to say no one loses.
markxq 2 years ago
don't write software on spec then, ldo
cuntscab555 2 years ago
Is it illegal to copy a bag really?
What if you had a paper bag with nothing in it, I came up to you and "copied" it .. You would still have your bag, the only difference is: now I do too.
Copying is a new technology that the current law does not apply to or makes sense of. Stop trying to force copying into the existing boxes and give it what it deserves: it's own box.
m0joGriffin 2 years ago 6
Whatever. At the end of the day all I'm saying is that those adverts are clearly using lies to scare people. Saying things like "stealing is a crime" and "stealing is against the law" clearly imply that downloading movies is ubiquitous to stealing in a legal sense. Which of course it is not.
This video basically sums it up:
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MCHammersmith 2 years ago 5
Arr!
Pirates!
Sorry.
mart9125 2 years ago 4
Satan's got free wi-fi everywhere XD
ladyflyaway 2 years ago
Mr MCHammersmith ... Umm ... you are depriving the rightful owner of the song rights his (or her) money ... their livelihood .... which I am pretty certain is something they can use.
ZedNaughtNaught 2 years ago
A. The livelihood of musicians comes from concerts; not albums. Albums get money for record companies, who do about as much work during the song's production as the person downloading.
B. Most downloads occur because the people downloading either don't have the money to buy the song, or don't care about it THAT much.
C. No musician has ever lost their livelihood because of downloads.
And lastly, D. I can use about fifty pounds of alchohol, but that doesn't make it right.
mytruepower2 2 years ago
1.Concerts lose money except for the very top performers. Their purpose is to spur CD sales.
2. Downloads occur because pirates are criminals that don't give a damn about the rights of workers.
markxq 2 years ago
1. There's nothing about concerts that are capable of losing money for the performers themselves, since the performers aren't the ones who pay to use the concert locations. The cost of the equipment is negligable.
2. I'm sorry you've taking to leaping to conclusions like this. You must be a unsuccessful, aspiring artist yourself, in that case, because I can't think of any other reason why someone would be in such a hurry to pin blame for something that really harms no one.
mytruepower2 2 years ago 2
There's also the morality of the situation to consider. Morality is different from law, and in some cases, directly opposed to it. How can we how to reach a stable economic state unless we at least try to reach a balance between the production costs and the prices of products? It's unfortunate for many artists, but the dawn of the internet has reduced the production costs of most entertainment products to 0, to the point where it's questionable to charge for them.
mytruepower2 2 years ago
Production costs are near 0? How on Earth did you come up with that? The video game GTA IV costs $35,000,000 to develop. Dark Knight costs nearly $200,000,000.
Take II has lost $1.5 billion in market cap since 2001. EA Games lost $300,000,000 last quarter and laid off 600 workers.
Yes morality is important. Pirates steal billions from millions of workers for their own greed. And they violate rights in your constitution.
markxq 2 years ago
My constitution? When we got it, it was OUR constitution!
For your information, none of what you just said had anything to do with piracy. Take-two lost money because their stocks fell along with everyone else's, and because they didn't release their games on time, and EA lost money because their stocks fell, and because people are starting to recognize how inconsiderate and abusive they are to their customers.
mytruepower2 2 years ago
Furthermore, I said PRODUCTION costs, not DEVELOPMENT costs. Video games may cost large amounts to develop, but they can be PRODUCED for under a buck.
mytruepower2 2 years ago
Lastly, and I won't argue with you anymore after this, because you obviously have done no serious studying in economics, a view the morality of the situation from the same perspective as St. John Chrysostom, with the record companies and studios as the rich and everyone else as the poor. To quote...
"Not to enable the poor to share in our goods is to steal from them and deprive them of life. The goods we possess are not ours, but theirs."
mytruepower2 2 years ago
Paty II
6. Quoting a 2,300 year old religious figure is odd, to say the least. I could come up with any number of odd quotes from ancient days.
7. It is a sick lie that artists are all poor and distributors all rich. You are trying to set class against class. In fact, the owners of most distributors are stock-holders, and the majority of stocks are held by institutions. That is, pension funds, mutual funds, 401Ks, etc. In other works, pensions for workers.
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markxq 2 years ago
Part III
8. And in lumping all distributors into a class of "rich," you completely ignore the growing number of indies. I am an independent software developer. I spend a year of my time and my own money to create a software product. Then Pirate Bay steals it, makes money off of my hard work, and I'm screwed. My rights are violated.
So let's stop this "class warfare" and call it what it is. Massive violation of rights of workers.
markxq 2 years ago
1. Insults are not arguments.
2. "Production costs" includes development costs in every spreadsheet I've ever seen. And pretending that development costs don't exist is silly.
3. Take-Two's stock dropped long before the recession.
4. You claim I don't understand stats. But my statements came directly from guys with OR PHDs at Gartner Research.
5. As for "my" vs. "our," you make the typical mistake of assuming everyone is American.
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markxq 2 years ago
Omg no one cares what you have to say gees stfu.
Splatterface113 2 years ago
1. You do not understand tours.
2. Insults are not arguments.
3. Tens of billions are lost by millions of workers per year due to piracy. Claiming that massive crime harms no one is unbelievable.
markxq 2 years ago
And you don't understand statistics. Tens of billions are not lost by workers. They just aren't gained. The workers don't have to pay tens of billions of dollars to product those songs. They pay nothing to produce songs, and virtually none of the still-huge profit that recording companies and studios make winds up in their hands. Research, man! Research!
mytruepower2 2 years ago 2
1. This is twice you said I understand nothing about statistics. Again, these are not my statistics. They are from people with PHDs.
2. According to your logic. the recession has hurt no one either.
3. It is a lie that there are huge profits. Take II has lost $1.5 billion in market cap since 2001. EA Games lost $300,000,000 last quarter and laid off 600 workers.
How many more excuses to you have for crime?
markxq 2 years ago
"You wouldn't steal a car"
I would if i could download it!!!
mills593593 2 years ago 8
Thats good, I'm writing that down!
Richie11291 2 years ago
Lol I always find these ads amusing as copyright infringement is not in fact stealing, it is copyright infringement. Theft implies you deprive the rightful owner of whatever it is you stole so that they can no longer use it. Downloading films doesn't quite fit this description now does it...
MCHammersmith 2 years ago
Copyright infringement is stealing:
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Steal - "To take or appropriate dishonestly anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial."
From Websters: "STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things"
markxq 2 years ago
Lol its not stealing. By its very nature its a civil case rather than a criminal one, which stealing would be.
MCHammersmith 2 years ago
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Steal - "To take or appropriate dishonestly anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial."
From Websters: "STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things"
Anfd, Pirate Bay was sentenced to prison in a criminal trial as have many other pirates.
markxq 2 years ago
Yeah they went to prison for 1 year for accessory to crime against copyright law NOT stealing. I never said it was right to download things, just the ridiculousness of people like the RIAA and BPI who accuse people who do it of stealing when they are clearly wrong.
MCHammersmith 2 years ago
"Steal" is not a legal term, it is an English word. Pirates clearly steal, by definition.
markxq 2 years ago
""Steal" is not a legal term". Oh come on, now you're just being stupid...
Like I said before, I never said it was right to pirate movies, just the fact that it is not the same as stealing a car as these stupid videos imply.
MCHammersmith 2 years ago
1. Name-calling is not an argument.
2. It is the same. Both steal from workers. Look at the definition:
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Steal - "To take or appropriate dishonestly anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial."
From Websters: "STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things"
The crook wins and the owner loses. How is that not stealing?
markxq 2 years ago
Because it just isn't stealing. Those definitions are wrong, for someone to be convicted of stealing/theft in a legal sense they must deprive the owner of whatever it is they take. Downloading a film does not deprive the owner of it, they still have it.
Every arrest that has ever been made in connection to piracy has ALWAYS been on charges relating to copyright infringement never stealing.
Just because you think they're the same does not mean that legally they are. They are not. End of.
MCHammersmith 2 years ago 3
1. People that think they know more about words than dictionaries are funny.
2. Again, "steal" is not a legal term. Read before you respond.
3. If I spend $1,000,000 developing a piece of software, I have an asset. I can sell that asset to a distributor and recoup my investment. But, if Pirate Bay steals it and distributes for free (making a ton with ads,) no distributor will touch it. My asset is diminished. The owner IS deprived.
4. People that say "end of discussion" are funny.
markxq 2 years ago
1. The common law system is not derived from the dictionary.
2. Steal is a synonym of the legal term theft.
3. No you are not deprived. If I break into your home, log on to your computer and delete the source code then yes you are deprived. By copying it you are not, you still have it.
MCHammersmith 2 years ago 2