Sugihara Kancho was indeed a student of Doshin So Kancho. After Sugihara left the Shorinji Kempo group he entered many Kyokushin karate tournaments. Sugihara is known as the "fighting Kancho." He fought several Jissen Kumite championships while in his late 30's and early 40's. All you have to do is go to his Hombu Dojo to find the truth.
I agree it may look similar but like I said the founder participated in full contact tournaments when he was younger which influenced him when he started his own school.
Enshin derives from Ashihara. Both Enshin and Ashihara derive from Kyokushin. Most jissen kumite styles of Japan look alike as far as their fighting techniques.
I never said it's Shorinji Kempo. The founder of my school was a student of Doshin So and I'm pretty sure you didn't know Doshin So. So how would you know who was or was not his body guard.
Because I've been to the Shorinji kempo hombu several times and talked, and listened, to Doshin So's senior students (the ones who were pushing his wheelchair) Senseis like Yamasaki, Arai, Kawachima and others.
Doshin So didn't need bodyguards so I am starting to doubt your founders claims.
This is very impressive but it isn't Shorinji Kempo.
Doshin So had no bodyguards, why would he need them? he was usually accompanies in later life by trusted students because of his illness to carry his bags or latterly to push his wheelchair.
There are a couple of things that echo Shorinji Kempo, the gassho rei at one point and the 3 wrist locks but the rest is pure full contact karate form.
Every thing in life is borrowed or taken from something (recycled). Just take the art for what it is and appreciate it. I studied Shorinji Kempo and the founder took styles from the Shaolin Temple and created his own so thats why he called it Shorinji Kempo to give respect to the fact that he used and refined their styles (Shaolin Temple) to fit the style needed at the time in Japan (1945 sometime after the war).
Osu I must agree with you I train in Kyokushin and Fight in many Enshin Karate tournaments and this is a striking similarity. But keep in mind that the rules of fighting in traditional full-contact karate (with no punches to the face) is accepted all around japan and the martial art that trains to fight this way is going to all look similar. There are many traditional Okinawan and Japanese styles that resemble kyokushin because they follow the same Kumite rules
old okinawan karate tournaments include full contact fights with rules similar to kyukushin, and some full contact fights with very small gloves and punchs to the head
so its easy to find a lot of fights that are other styles of karate but look like kyokushin
Kancho Sugihara was awarded a 6th degree in Shorinji Kempo. In the video you see Go-ho techniques (striking) We aslo have Ju-ho techniques that resemble Shorinji's.
Shorinji Kempo is a more solid martial art! and for me it's the best :P 'cause it as great techniques and awesome teachings that everyone should learn.
That is one of the things that I was trying to explain that Byakuren's foundation was shorinji kempo which has both Juho waza (joint lock and throws) and Goho waza (striking techniques) along with other aspects of shorinji kempo. Either way I enjoyed taken Byakuren Karate. I've also would like study a little bit of Enshin or even Ashihara.
Funny, I have about ten years of Kyokushin, Ashihara and Enshin, and three years of Aikido, and I am fascinated by the Shorinji Kempo, and the older aiki-jujitsu forms.
@boricua96319 osu, I have studied Enshin and Ashihara, and it looks very similar to this video, also, the fightng kata, reminds me of Enshin and Ashihara. I briefly took Shorinji Kempo from two instructors in Idaho, one was a Nidan from Japan, the other one seemed to have his Shorinji Kempo more adapted to Japan tournament points style, like the Wado I took.
Byakurenspain thanks for the comment. I was taking Byakuren Karate in Japan. Kancho Sugihara gave seminars on occassion at my dojo. I never asked him about Ashihara because at the time byakuren was the only full contact karate class that I took. Before that I was into judo.
Boricua, I did the work for you some time ago... I've talked to Kancho Sugihara about this matter and definetely yes, Byakuren has some Ashihara influence. But it also has a lot of differences, like Ju-Ho techniques.
Regards.
Boricua, ya he hecho el trabajo por ti hace algún tiempo. He hablado personalmente con el Kancho Sugihara y sí, definitivamente el Byakuren tiene algunas influencias del Ashihara. Pero también tiene muchas diferencias, como las técnicas de Ju-Ho.
I guess you are taken Ashihara or Enshin? I feel the same way about Byakuren Karate. I've only just recently learned about Ashihara. So I' going to do some research. Thanks for the post and feel free to comment anytime.
as for reading the history i checked it out before my original comment. Anyone can write anything they want and call it history. If you want i'll write you the history of how i invented karate.
i'm sure there are plenty of differences between byakuren and the others but the main thing which sets them apart from other styles of Karate are identical. The enshin and ashihara katas are unique to any style of karate even kyokushin.....and your's happen to be identical?
But like I said if you studied Byakuren like I have you would know that although Kiyokushin, Enshin and Byakuren may appear the same they all have their differences that set them apart.
Yes I know Enshin branched off of ashihara but before there was ashihara or enshin both Kancko Ninomiya and his instructor were apart of kyokushin karate. If you have taken Byakuren you would know that the foundation of Byakuren is Shorinji Kempo. Kancho Sugihara participated in kyokushin karate tournament so he was probably been influenced by it....
If you watch videos of Ninomiya and Ashihara When they were fighting Kyokushin (in the 70's) you can see they fought differently to other fighters. By watching them it's easy to see the transition from Kyokushin to Ashihara and Enshin karate.
All martial arts have merit no matter which style but when someone rips off other peoples techniques and claims to have developed them himself then there is a big problem.
enshin branched off ashihara karate which branched off kyokushin. Ashihara karate started before Byakuren. Kancho Ninomiya was Shihan under Ashihara. Byakuren looks very little like kempo and very much like Ashihara , Enshin and even Kyokushin.
I'm not going to knock Enshin Karate because I also like that style but Kancho Joko Ninomiya started Enshin Karate years after Kancho Sugihara started Byakuren karate. Also Enshin Karate branched off of Kyoukushin Karate and Byakuren branched off of shorinji kempo.
There isn't many Bykuren Karate videos. In 1984, Masayasu Sugihara, student of the late So Doshin-Kancho who was the founder of Shorinji Kempo, obtained sanction from the International Karate Kempo Federation to teach a new system of fighting which is known as Byakuren. Sugihara had been one of So Doshin-Kancho's most powerful and feared fighters. In the true Samurai Spirit, Byakuren is based upon Shorinji-Kempo and has been refined as a full-contact fighting style of karate.
Since I have no idea what you guys are saying, I'm just gonna make a little Touhou joke.
You should have used Byakuren Hijiri's theme for the music.
x69xSeraphisse 1 year ago
Sugihara Kancho was indeed a student of Doshin So Kancho. After Sugihara left the Shorinji Kempo group he entered many Kyokushin karate tournaments. Sugihara is known as the "fighting Kancho." He fought several Jissen Kumite championships while in his late 30's and early 40's. All you have to do is go to his Hombu Dojo to find the truth.
cumanagoto 2 years ago
I agree it may look similar but like I said the founder participated in full contact tournaments when he was younger which influenced him when he started his own school.
boricua96319 2 years ago
there using the sabaki method lol
so whats the differeance from this than Enshin karatedo?
looks like they were Enhin or ashihara students
JumokKhan 2 years ago
Enshin derives from Ashihara. Both Enshin and Ashihara derive from Kyokushin. Most jissen kumite styles of Japan look alike as far as their fighting techniques.
cumanagoto 2 years ago
I never said it's Shorinji Kempo. The founder of my school was a student of Doshin So and I'm pretty sure you didn't know Doshin So. So how would you know who was or was not his body guard.
boricua96319 3 years ago
Because I've been to the Shorinji kempo hombu several times and talked, and listened, to Doshin So's senior students (the ones who were pushing his wheelchair) Senseis like Yamasaki, Arai, Kawachima and others.
Doshin So didn't need bodyguards so I am starting to doubt your founders claims.
Ade357 2 years ago
This is very impressive but it isn't Shorinji Kempo.
Doshin So had no bodyguards, why would he need them? he was usually accompanies in later life by trusted students because of his illness to carry his bags or latterly to push his wheelchair.
There are a couple of things that echo Shorinji Kempo, the gassho rei at one point and the 3 wrist locks but the rest is pure full contact karate form.
Good but not Shorinji.
Ade357 3 years ago
He was So Doshins bodyguard actually
Bluknight88 2 years ago
Every thing in life is borrowed or taken from something (recycled). Just take the art for what it is and appreciate it. I studied Shorinji Kempo and the founder took styles from the Shaolin Temple and created his own so thats why he called it Shorinji Kempo to give respect to the fact that he used and refined their styles (Shaolin Temple) to fit the style needed at the time in Japan (1945 sometime after the war).
ZiRanMen2204 4 years ago
Read some of the comments below or go to the Canadian Byakuren Karate website. It has some good info.
boricua96319 4 years ago
Without disrepecting any of your Karate. But your Karate is nothing more than Kyokushin Oyama Karate.
cba1230 4 years ago
looks closer to Ashihara or Enshin than Oyama.
blugularis 4 years ago
Osu I must agree with you I train in Kyokushin and Fight in many Enshin Karate tournaments and this is a striking similarity. But keep in mind that the rules of fighting in traditional full-contact karate (with no punches to the face) is accepted all around japan and the martial art that trains to fight this way is going to all look similar. There are many traditional Okinawan and Japanese styles that resemble kyokushin because they follow the same Kumite rules
karateee 2 years ago
yes you are right
old okinawan karate tournaments include full contact fights with rules similar to kyukushin, and some full contact fights with very small gloves and punchs to the head
so its easy to find a lot of fights that are other styles of karate but look like kyokushin
burzum19861986 2 years ago
Kancho Sugihara was awarded a 6th degree in Shorinji Kempo. In the video you see Go-ho techniques (striking) We aslo have Ju-ho techniques that resemble Shorinji's.
boricua96319 4 years ago
the form doesn't really resemble shorinji. I don't how someone who trained with Doshin So could make this. I mean it looks good but still.
nilfmonkey 4 years ago 2
w0lf13, Yeah I think shorinji kempo is a good martial art but I perfer full contact. I like the training byakuren karate has to offer.
boricua96319 4 years ago
Shorinji Kempo is a more solid martial art! and for me it's the best :P 'cause it as great techniques and awesome teachings that everyone should learn.
w0lf13 4 years ago
That is one of the things that I was trying to explain that Byakuren's foundation was shorinji kempo which has both Juho waza (joint lock and throws) and Goho waza (striking techniques) along with other aspects of shorinji kempo. Either way I enjoyed taken Byakuren Karate. I've also would like study a little bit of Enshin or even Ashihara.
boricua96319 4 years ago
Funny, I have about ten years of Kyokushin, Ashihara and Enshin, and three years of Aikido, and I am fascinated by the Shorinji Kempo, and the older aiki-jujitsu forms.
blugularis 4 years ago
@boricua96319 osu, I have studied Enshin and Ashihara, and it looks very similar to this video, also, the fightng kata, reminds me of Enshin and Ashihara. I briefly took Shorinji Kempo from two instructors in Idaho, one was a Nidan from Japan, the other one seemed to have his Shorinji Kempo more adapted to Japan tournament points style, like the Wado I took.
blugularis 1 year ago
Byakurenspain thanks for the comment. I was taking Byakuren Karate in Japan. Kancho Sugihara gave seminars on occassion at my dojo. I never asked him about Ashihara because at the time byakuren was the only full contact karate class that I took. Before that I was into judo.
boricua96319 4 years ago
Boricua, I did the work for you some time ago... I've talked to Kancho Sugihara about this matter and definetely yes, Byakuren has some Ashihara influence. But it also has a lot of differences, like Ju-Ho techniques.
Regards.
Boricua, ya he hecho el trabajo por ti hace algún tiempo. He hablado personalmente con el Kancho Sugihara y sí, definitivamente el Byakuren tiene algunas influencias del Ashihara. Pero también tiene muchas diferencias, como las técnicas de Ju-Ho.
Saludos.
byakurenspain 4 years ago
I guess you are taken Ashihara or Enshin? I feel the same way about Byakuren Karate. I've only just recently learned about Ashihara. So I' going to do some research. Thanks for the post and feel free to comment anytime.
boricua96319 4 years ago
as for the karate in this video it's really good....but it's Ashihara.
jackjackie17 4 years ago 2
the sparring and tournaments look like kyokushin done badly and the demonstrations look like ashihara or enshin done very poorly.
jackjackie17 4 years ago 2
as for reading the history i checked it out before my original comment. Anyone can write anything they want and call it history. If you want i'll write you the history of how i invented karate.
jackjackie17 4 years ago 2
i'm sure there are plenty of differences between byakuren and the others but the main thing which sets them apart from other styles of Karate are identical. The enshin and ashihara katas are unique to any style of karate even kyokushin.....and your's happen to be identical?
jackjackie17 4 years ago 2
I think you should check out the Byakuren Karate website in Canada. It has a good history page of how Byakuren came about.
boricua96319 4 years ago
Hi boricua96319,
Could you pls let me know the web link of Canadian Byakuren Karate you've been mentioning here? Thanks.
Senopatix 3 years ago
But like I said if you studied Byakuren like I have you would know that although Kiyokushin, Enshin and Byakuren may appear the same they all have their differences that set them apart.
boricua96319 4 years ago
Yes I know Enshin branched off of ashihara but before there was ashihara or enshin both Kancko Ninomiya and his instructor were apart of kyokushin karate. If you have taken Byakuren you would know that the foundation of Byakuren is Shorinji Kempo. Kancho Sugihara participated in kyokushin karate tournament so he was probably been influenced by it....
boricua96319 4 years ago
If you watch videos of Ninomiya and Ashihara When they were fighting Kyokushin (in the 70's) you can see they fought differently to other fighters. By watching them it's easy to see the transition from Kyokushin to Ashihara and Enshin karate.
All martial arts have merit no matter which style but when someone rips off other peoples techniques and claims to have developed them himself then there is a big problem.
jackjackie17 4 years ago 2
enshin branched off ashihara karate which branched off kyokushin. Ashihara karate started before Byakuren. Kancho Ninomiya was Shihan under Ashihara. Byakuren looks very little like kempo and very much like Ashihara , Enshin and even Kyokushin.
jackjackie17 4 years ago 2
I'm not going to knock Enshin Karate because I also like that style but Kancho Joko Ninomiya started Enshin Karate years after Kancho Sugihara started Byakuren karate. Also Enshin Karate branched off of Kyoukushin Karate and Byakuren branched off of shorinji kempo.
boricua96319 4 years ago
rip off of enshin karate
jackjackie17 4 years ago
There isn't many Bykuren Karate videos. In 1984, Masayasu Sugihara, student of the late So Doshin-Kancho who was the founder of Shorinji Kempo, obtained sanction from the International Karate Kempo Federation to teach a new system of fighting which is known as Byakuren. Sugihara had been one of So Doshin-Kancho's most powerful and feared fighters. In the true Samurai Spirit, Byakuren is based upon Shorinji-Kempo and has been refined as a full-contact fighting style of karate.
boricua96319 4 years ago