@cedrixccx oui et non. j'ai vu MArc Ribot en concert, et écouter souvent les deux séparément et ensemble. Le concert : sans intérêt (exactement ce que tu décris) mais ils ont joué quelques perles et ils ont tous deux beaucoup de talent. seuls ou comme accompagnateurs (marc Ribot on le retrouve très souvent avec Tom Waits et quelques très belles collaborations avec Bashung). alors quand on veut explorer et etre avant gardiste il y a sans doute forcément du moins bon, du juste bon et du très bon
@gammaGTgammajereste ,,, je suis Ok,,, ca me va ! Marc Ribot est un train bon guitariste,,, mais la ca ne marche pas et l extase systhematique des fans me derange,,,, Apres tout, meme Picasso a peint de mauvaises toiles,, :)
Dos grandes nombres que respeto, pero el producto es bastante inusual aún en un ánimo experimental. Sólo pude apreciar destellos de ambos estilos, pero difícilmente podría decir que me gustó.
@MrRoycam what does that even mean? As far as I can hear, this is funky as hell- it's just really dissonant! Two guitarist is?I can think of a LOT whiter!
Brilliant! Marc was on a specially good night. Like he once put it "my main technique is disembodied rage". I don't know if this is progress or if it's moving things "forward" because it would be hard to define what "forward" means... but this kind of playing is definitely necessary. Cheers!
Experimental / Avant-Garde music is great cause music is something greater than just "standard" songs but sometimes I wonder if this "child-like" (I don't mean it in a bad way) experimental playing is actually progress, or just other desperate way of breaking the boundaries. Again I really like both Sharp and Ribot but contemporary music of this level is somewhat very controversial.
@bloodyfrets Yeah, I agree. I mean I really get it because it feels great to have that freedom to play whatever and have no boundaries. I take this kind of music more as a statement as a musician but it is not necessarily something I would want to listen to. It does draw me in in a strange way but it is definitely not something pleasant to listen to.
@bloodyfrets are you serious?! Have you ever learnt to play like this??? It's not "child-like" it just uses different techniques to the usual ones... these guys are both exhibiting serious sonic chops. It's only controversial I think to people who don't get/enjoy the downtown aesthetic...
@SexonToastable Mark Ribot plays many different styles including avant garde experimental music. The rules there include experimentation with no limits sometimes. Its mainly the same techniques with different approach. Everything is allowed even random stuff like the ones in this video. It clearly is "child like" (=random, playful, not caring to much about accuracy and focusing on the spontaneity and the unknown outcome).
It is quite clear that you are just trying to be snobbish and immature.
@SexonToastable I think if you told Marc Ribot his playing was "child-like" he'd probably crack you upside the head. You still haven't answered my question... Have you ever learnt to play like this? There is plenty of limitation in this music... How in the hell am I "trying to be snobbish and immature" by having a different opinion to you?
@SexonToastable NO I haven't learned to play like this. And I don't think it matters. Music is supposed to be played for listeners not for players (even less only for players of this specific style!!!!). Music like the one you describe that you need to play it to understand it, to me its just music that fails to deliver. But even like that I am a player and I think Marc would understand what I mean by "child like". Apparently you just want to argue with me cause I already explained the metaphor.
Insupportable... comme si faire n importe quoi avec suffisance et détermination serait suffisant ! aucun intérêt, escroquerie...
Et je precise ne pas etre un réactionnaire de la guitare,,, je préfère Sonic Youth a George Beson ou al di Meola
cedrixccx 2 months ago
@cedrixccx oui et non. j'ai vu MArc Ribot en concert, et écouter souvent les deux séparément et ensemble. Le concert : sans intérêt (exactement ce que tu décris) mais ils ont joué quelques perles et ils ont tous deux beaucoup de talent. seuls ou comme accompagnateurs (marc Ribot on le retrouve très souvent avec Tom Waits et quelques très belles collaborations avec Bashung). alors quand on veut explorer et etre avant gardiste il y a sans doute forcément du moins bon, du juste bon et du très bon
gammaGTgammajereste 1 month ago
@gammaGTgammajereste ,,, je suis Ok,,, ca me va ! Marc Ribot est un train bon guitariste,,, mais la ca ne marche pas et l extase systhematique des fans me derange,,,, Apres tout, meme Picasso a peint de mauvaises toiles,, :)
cedrixccx 1 month ago
These guys are totally into Noisecore.
BrutalizeURf4ce 3 months ago
wow i love this! totally out of control. Screw rules and aesthetics, express the madman in you.
dadgadable 4 months ago
Dos grandes nombres que respeto, pero el producto es bastante inusual aún en un ánimo experimental. Sólo pude apreciar destellos de ambos estilos, pero difícilmente podría decir que me gustó.
projekctgonzo 5 months ago
Comment removed
MrRoycam 6 months ago
@MrRoycam what does that even mean? As far as I can hear, this is funky as hell- it's just really dissonant! Two guitarist is?I can think of a LOT whiter!
SexonToastable 5 months ago
Brilliant! Marc was on a specially good night. Like he once put it "my main technique is disembodied rage". I don't know if this is progress or if it's moving things "forward" because it would be hard to define what "forward" means... but this kind of playing is definitely necessary. Cheers!
riniones 8 months ago
glorious!
freejazztampa 1 year ago
this rules
camelotgeorge33 1 year ago
mmmmmmmmmm, yummy for my earballs!
genreslur 1 year ago
Experimental / Avant-Garde music is great cause music is something greater than just "standard" songs but sometimes I wonder if this "child-like" (I don't mean it in a bad way) experimental playing is actually progress, or just other desperate way of breaking the boundaries. Again I really like both Sharp and Ribot but contemporary music of this level is somewhat very controversial.
bloodyfrets 1 year ago
@bloodyfrets Yeah, I agree. I mean I really get it because it feels great to have that freedom to play whatever and have no boundaries. I take this kind of music more as a statement as a musician but it is not necessarily something I would want to listen to. It does draw me in in a strange way but it is definitely not something pleasant to listen to.
benunderstands 1 year ago
@bloodyfrets are you serious?! Have you ever learnt to play like this??? It's not "child-like" it just uses different techniques to the usual ones... these guys are both exhibiting serious sonic chops. It's only controversial I think to people who don't get/enjoy the downtown aesthetic...
SexonToastable 5 months ago
@SexonToastable Mark Ribot plays many different styles including avant garde experimental music. The rules there include experimentation with no limits sometimes. Its mainly the same techniques with different approach. Everything is allowed even random stuff like the ones in this video. It clearly is "child like" (=random, playful, not caring to much about accuracy and focusing on the spontaneity and the unknown outcome).
It is quite clear that you are just trying to be snobbish and immature.
bloodyfrets 5 months ago
@SexonToastable I think if you told Marc Ribot his playing was "child-like" he'd probably crack you upside the head. You still haven't answered my question... Have you ever learnt to play like this? There is plenty of limitation in this music... How in the hell am I "trying to be snobbish and immature" by having a different opinion to you?
SexonToastable 5 months ago
@SexonToastable NO I haven't learned to play like this. And I don't think it matters. Music is supposed to be played for listeners not for players (even less only for players of this specific style!!!!). Music like the one you describe that you need to play it to understand it, to me its just music that fails to deliver. But even like that I am a player and I think Marc would understand what I mean by "child like". Apparently you just want to argue with me cause I already explained the metaphor.
bloodyfrets 4 months ago