THE MAX ROACH-CLIFFORD BROWN QUINTET: "JOY SPRING"

[mableboy]

One of my favorite all time jazz tune.Slammin groove!

[hdibart]

I believe that that is Harold Land on tenor,not Sonny.

[helluvagun]

mr. Rollins was very humble when he joined the group to take on a Landish sound and approach on his horn!

[synthapathizer]

Check out The Jazzplaylist video of this same recording much better.

[holygroove2]

@synthapathizer - True, but can you get rid of the picture of Miles Davis on your recording? You should be able to edit that out.

[dannyinternetz]

What album is this on?

[grooveman84]

@dannyinternetz the album it´s called "Clifford Brown´s finest hour"

[hdibartolo]

I believe that that is Harold Land on tenor,not Rollins.

[holygroove2]

@hdibartolo - it's Sonny Rollins in the picture tho... I'm gonna have to find out about that...

[gidnergg]

This is a wonderful tune I love to play with my quintet. I love Clifford Brown man, his sound and approach is incredible. By the way, the tenor plays is not Sonny Rollins, its Harold Land. Cheers!

[gidnergg]

@gidnergg Tenor Player*

[thepeopleschamp562]

is this compressed or something. awesome that you have this up but can we get this in better quality if not let me know and i'll upload this from my OG CD's

[22HermosaB]

We were prepared to ignore the "hype" when Clifford came to town, but there was no doubt about it, he was all they were saying & more. Such a strong presence. He had it, both he & Richie Powell. They took breaks at our table. We were to teach Richie to body surf. We went in the day they were supposed to be there. Stan left his drums to tell us about them.. It was a sad time in the Lighthouse. Broke our hearts.

[usefulmusic]

@22HermosaB Clifford Brown took breaks at your table. What a memory!

It still breaks my heart to think about his early death.

[snailzillascreator]

Holy shit they play this fast!

[baple]

lol, its actually quite slow. But I love it at this speed.

[Zyezion]

I thimk that brow was better thatn dizzy i mean brown was younger and he did what dizzy did plus u have to remember that clifford's tounging and phrasing was something else i mean the he can tounge 16th tripplets in his cherokee solo is insane XP

[nicodagger]

holypants74...it was a joke......Brown, Diz......ALPERT?? Although the sad thing is that Alpert made, I would guess, something like a hundred times more money in his career, and was more famous, than either Brown or Diz, which is why American culture is so fucking pathetic.

[nicodagger]

Who is better? Brown or Diz or Herb Alpert? That's a tough one....

[holeypants74]

@nicodagger Herb Alpert?

[MrCryptic55]

if u like this like i do you should look up joe pass' solo guitar version

[RizRa]

wonderful.... clifford brown was such a talent. pure genius.

[peppersax]

He sure had a 'fresh' sound. You can really hear where Lee Morgan got some of his influence from. His phrasing was flawless!!! Not to many trumpeter's come close.

[thedking94]

its so hard to belive that cliff only lived to 25 and influenced so many

[zbalder14]

what form is this in.... if anyone knows plz respond

[DieWabiSabi]

AABA but the second A goes one tone up

[usefulmusic]

@DieWabiSabi

A SEMI-tone up, not a tone. A tone up would have been much easier to play.

[rewind718]

i think that this is in a 32 bar AABA

[chestnutfilly]

@rewind718 Jeeez, stop the pseudo intellectual musical technological crap and enJOY "Joy Spring" for what it is!!!!!!!!

[chestnutfilly]

@chestnutfilly And furthermore, "I Remember Clifford" even though I was a day late, and might have been a dollar short....

[nekezajebancije]

This is incredible! Thanks for uploading!

[joeb434]

In the original Brown/Roach quintet George Morrow played bass. My opinion is that Morrow didn't fit with players like Brown/Roach because he didn't have the chops to play the up-tempos needed for Brown and Roach. Listen to Morrow's playing on the up-tempo stuff. Am I right or wrong or is it just the poor recording of all this great music?

[helluvagun]

I don't know. But I've read that he was selected just because he coped with the up-tempo stuff. A lot of others were turned down!

[songsmadeforyou]

0:55 ---> sax solo (im gona learn his opening riff)

[blackguy119]

nothing beats the original. Still trying to learn brownies solo...

[AquilaxOne]

The tenor player is indeed Harold Land.

[gcrav]

Harold Land was a brilliant, often overlooked tenor player. Reminds me of Wardell Gray with a fatter tone.

[alanfarber]

Brownie has never been bettered and neither has max.

[mrstrings65]

the tenor player on this is harold land... anyonre who knows their styles and phrasing can tell that...

[mrstrings65]

Strange ,in the picture they have Sonny Rollins !!

[MattieSongbird]

I've always loved this tune. I wonder what else Clifford Brown would have composed if he were still alive today. I bet it would be heavenly.

[mrstrings65]

how about dahoud ?

[domzkilla]

sonny had a spell with them too

[Henrypost145]

harold land i great in this recording

[jazzman423]

Most definitely Sonny

[debmassey]

Yeah, I do love his tone....so warm and rich.

[therockhopper]

Did you hold the computer mic in front of a $1 speaker attached to your mp3 player playing the original sampled with a 64k bitrate?

You do a great disservice to a great player.

[ChiTown7721]

I love Brownie. My all-time favorite trumpet player. Such a wonderful tone and such wonderful phrasing. What a tragedy for the jazz world to lose him at such a young age. Even though he only lived to be 26, his music is still inspiring musicians today. You'll always be my favorite Brownie!

[Soccer1Lucas]

anyone good at something always seems to die young. You know what I mean?

[usefulmusic]

@ChiTown7721

I first heard Brownie when I was 17. I'm now 73 and I'm still thrilled listening to him.

[chestnutfilly]

@usefulmusic I hear ya!!

[TigerRocket]

Music.

Pure music.

[tommythomaso]

I'm not sure what Harold Land looked like, but the guy holding the tenor looks a lot like Sonny who, as we all know, played and recorded with Clifford frequently. But, damn, this tenor sure sounds like Harold.

[KrAcKaJacKx]

Cliffy could've definitely brought some innovation to the genre. The cleanest guy around. Makes me proud to be a musician.

[jsmillie23]

The picture of the saxaphone player in the video is most definitely Sonny Rollins.

[simbone19]

thanks for posting... love this song a lot

[trumpetsav]

hmm the audio quality of this is terrible, I hope it is it the upload or the recording?

[althejazz]

Clifford Brown was THE man - smooth, lyrical, swinging and never ever flashy or introspective. His early death was a tragedy and robbed us of many more years of great jazz.

[aliaobass]

Amen man..

[jakeyates2]

He's flashy, just not cheesy flashy. This group is killin'!

[IVIoon21]

perfect solo

[ventzijazz]

Best jazz solo ever!

[Shmecklecka]

It's one of the greatest recordings of the era. Ever try keeping up with the bridge? For Clifford it's falling water.  Richie navigates prettily... Anyone know why they edited out Max's solo in the vinyl?

[joeb434]

This recording was originally issued on 78. So not enough time. I think the vinyl was copied directly from the 78. Did the same to Jordu--took out Harold Land's solo. You can hear it all on the Complete Clifford Brown Recordings boxed set (on Verve) if you can still get it. A classic.

[fanofmozart]

Yes, this is the classic Emarcy recording that my buddies and I wore out up in the band room in 1971. It's Harold Land on tenor. One of every serious jazz trumpeter's favorite solos, kinda like Freddie Hubbard (God rest him) on Maiden Voyage: "deedleet deedleet deedleet deedleeoodleedleooodleleedlidd­leedileet...

Thanks.

[RoyalBluesTrini]

Definately Harold Land on Tenor.

[loootbeen]

yep. i love harold land on the brown and roach album but i cant find any more of him. do you know any other records he's on?

[RoyalBluesTrini]

Harold in the Land of Jazz. Among many others he did an album with Bobby Hutcherson, there is so much stuff.

[ODFGERTERS]

The very first jazz tune I learned.

I learned everyone's solo on the guitar when I was 14. Brings back memories. Great composition, vibe and performances all around.

[tommymorey]

correction, that picture is taken of the band not before Harold came to the band but after the one year he spent there.

[wbhrash]

well the picture is Sonny for sure.

[fanofmozart]

Correct.

[tommymorey]

i think the tenor man is Harold Land on this cut, not Sonny Rollins.

[littleks]

that's sonny rollins, first of all he's pictured in the video, and it sounds like rollins

[gio23664]

i più grande di tutti...per sempre

[kingoliver45]

I just learned this song today!!! Now i need to learn how to solo on it. THANK GOD FOR ABERSOLD!!!

[masleu777]

Clifford is the best trumpet jazzman

[jazmyng1]

Max Roach on drums, Keter Betts on Base and Richie Powell on piano I "think" this was their first album in the early to mid fiftys.

[mayakronfeld]

Clifford Brown! So much integrity in every note of his playing. Is this from "Study in Brown"?

[0lfo]

clifford...

[johnnyx53]

One of the best trumpet solos in jazz...a real classic on a beautiful tune. I was always impressed too with Clifford's fast tonguing. You can see how he inspired some like Clark Terry in that department (2:15-2:20)and also that consonant-based sustained tonguing at 2:33 that became Clark's signature.

[TheZeldaNerd]

Consonant based?

What do you mean by that, sorry if i sound dumb

[nordensgog]

its HAROLD LAND ON TENOR, NOT ROLLINS, BUT ANYWAY FORMIDABLE MUSIC

[jedijenkeez45]

i really like this tune! I love the way Joe pass does it!

[Elitetrumpet]

?????ack

[yonopuedo90]

well everyone must understand that miles was able to experiment with different bands and sounds due to the fact that he did live longer than clifford. had clifford lived longer, there is no doubt that he may have experimented as much as miles had. either way, it could be said that miles received much more attention due to his experimentation with, for instance, electric jazz and just plain tripping stuff... but clifford will forever be my favorite.

[coton290]

I played drums with this bass player in the early 80s.

[minor7b5b9]

So?

[ZamzarBob]

So, he's cooler than you! (and this isn't sarcasm, that's really cool).

[minor7b5b9]

LOL...nice to see people talking about the MUSIC & not using Youtube to insult people. Too much bickering goes on, and my only suggestion is that we, who are serious listeners or players simply ignore the idiots by not answering their inane comments.Jazz is supposed to be FUN.....let's keep it that way.

[debmassey]

amen to that.

[sigelman]

The lick at 2:33 is one of my favorite 5-10 seconds in all of recorded music. Couldn't be simpler, but still so perfectly balanced.

[liexcheatxnxsteal]

seriously. it really is genious. He is playing a concert Ab over an Fmaj7 chord which is a minor third away from the root, the EXACT opposite of what gives the chord it's major structure, but he makes it work. SO TIGHT!

[Whatisthescore]

Rollins used to do that too. So genius.

[ZamzarBob]

What part?

[liexcheatxnxsteal]

top of his second chorus at 2:33.

[steebelmoan]

2nd chorus of Clifford's solo. He goes from #9 to natural 9 bunch of times.

[steebelmoan]

#9s!! FTW!!

[steebelmoan]

#9 is where it's at man. lol

[portobob]

Wow..what a musical loss with Brownie's early demise. I heard him play with Max Roach and the guys in St Louis right before his accident on the Penn Turnpike in 1956.

[haraldtheman]

very cool

[dojomania]

Unbelievable solo! Check out the 64th note run he does at @2:14-2:19. Harold Land's solo was also out this world. These guys have so much tone presence and delivery. The solos are much much more than just notes. I think Steely Dan honors him with a line in their song, Deacon Blues, off the Aja album. No one has come close to his genius , except Miles.

[jamssmith]

them ain't 64th's if the bass is on the quarter

[dojomania]

I stand corrected, they're 32nd notes.

[liexcheatxnxsteal]

try 16th's

[Elitetrumpet]

add 2 points for this one

[minor7b5b9]

I beg to differ: Miles & Clifford had 2 completely different voices in jazz. Many will disagree, but the closest I've heard to Clifford is Arturo Sandoval. Check out his homage to Brown on a CD called "I Remember Clifford" (Golson comp.)I grew up listening to Brown & Roach. Sandoval is vastly underrated becuase many consider him to be too "flashy." Brownie; we lost you too soon; you had so much to give.

[dojomania]

thank you , i will check out arturo. I didn't say that Miles and Brownie were equivalent, only that he was exceptional comparable to people like Miles. I absolutely agree, they have different voices. Miles definitely experimented more with dissonances, for one small example.

[minor7b5b9]

Although I'm a jazz guitarist, my main influences came from horn players.The great ones always had their own voice. As for tenor players, could you possibly listen to Getz, Gordon,Rollins & more I could mention, & not know who was who? That's why comparing great jazz artists, & certainly saying who was "better" than whom, is an exercise in futility. As for Arturo, his homage to Clifford left me in awe. Try to get this CD if you can. It's called "I Remember Clifford."

[dojomania]

I am a guitarist as well.. I love horn players, I have had the pleasure of watching Stan Getz twice. WRT Sandoval, the vids of him playing on YT have thus far left me cold. That's not a knock, he's obviously supremely talented, but my tastes run toward performers like Sonny, Trane, Miles, Hancock, Wes. Compositionally, Miles , Monk, Mingus on the jazz side, Mahler, Mozart,Bach, in the classical realm.

[minor7b5b9]

I am also a fan of classical music. In our home it was all jazz & classical when I was growing up (my father was a jazz musician as well....alto & tenor sax & clarinet). Love Mozart, Bach & Sarasate(Zieguenerwiesen) to name a few. Big fan of the Baroque period. Still listen to a lot of classical even though I perform only in the jazz genre. Also still listen to J.T. on a regular basis. Fan of his since he came out with "Sweet Baby James" in '69. How Sweet It Is.

[Whatisthescore]

What the hell is a minor 7 b5b9 chord? you don't flat the 9 on a minor chord. Only flat the nine on a dominant chord unless you want to play modal like phrygian or locrian.

[minor7b5b9]

Chill out; it's just a name for youtube. As for the b9, my original name was m7b5. After using it for quite a while, youtube screwed up my account & wouldn't accept it anymore. So I just added the b9 on a whim. As for chord theory, I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. Break a few "rules"...you'll be surprised at some of the pleasant surprises you'll get.

[liexcheatxnxsteal]

Although they dont write it on the notation, a b9 is pretty cool on a m7b5. Treat an altered ii -V like a ii-V in harmonic or melodic minor, and you'll notice how good it sounds. Lee Morgan did it a bunch.

[NJlo]

In a minor II-V however, a natural 9 is way cooler!

[cavemanc]

go ask your theory teacher or private instructor about natural 9's on minor ii-v's. ^_^

[NJlo]

Was that directed towards me? For the record, we were talking about the half diminished chord here.

[superman53535]

it works well if you make it. think bout it.

[cavemanc]

yea, i'm talking to you, lol. and i know youre talking about a minor ii-V. half diminshed to dominant. you don't put a major ninth on that dominant thats going to resolve to a minor7.

[ZamzarBob]

He didn't say Miles sounds like him. He said Miles was a genius like him.

[minor7b5b9]

I agree completely as you'll see in a reply I made later.

[Elitetrumpet]

on liexcheatxnxsteals comment i accidentally clicked on the thumbs down button! please add 2 to the counter.

[BuckshotLaFunke]

I see Sonny Rollins standing there. Is he the tenor player in this track?

[steebelmoan]

It's harold Land actually. That picture is very misleading.

[steebelmoan]

I should have explained better.

Recording is Harold Land, but picture is Sonny Rollins.

[BuckshotLaFunke]

Ah, that explains. Thanks!

[superrockman07]

this guy is good

[mkjazz75]

the sounds sucks sorry

[KILLACAMFOO]

it was recorded in 1954...