Before games it was heavy metal music. Before heavy metal it was rock and roll. Parents will always try to find a scapegoat for their own incompetence. Thank you Wil Wheaton for standing up as a parent and saying where the real fault lies.
Mr Wheaton is absolutely correct. If a parent buys their 10 year old child a copy of Call of Duty or GTA - then they are responsible for their child's resulting behaviour.
Message to parents and retailers: GAMES ARE CERTIFIED FOR A REASON. STOP BEING IGNORANT.
Despite the tremendous prevalence of games, both violent and non-violent, and the obsessive amount of energy that goes into studying its affect on child behavior - there have been NO conclusive studies to demonstrate anything even resembling a causal link between violent video games and increased violent behavior - and certainly nothing that would make games any more special than other media.
The silence here is deafening. Stop blaming games and get your parenting in order.
I admit it is egregiously unfair and incorrect to target only violent video games, but exposing children to any violent imagery has a direct causal link to violent behavior, especially when vicarious rewards are shown.
You should have learned about Albert Bandura's work in this area in psych 101.
2) The act of 'participating' via the violent games vs. other media was my main point. Suggesting a causal relationship distinct from other media has absolutely no research backing it that I'm aware of - and I certainly have looked. If you provide some, I will gladly change my mindset.
I absolutely agree with you that video games should not be singled out as the only culprit. And I too do not know if child observational learning has been shown to be more potent in video games over films or books. But I think people will read your post and start thinking video games don't cause violent behavior at all.
I hope people will read this conversation and rethink their opinions on violence in the media :)
I don't know of any studies testing observational learning from video games, but I have no doubt it's been done. With television you have Albert Bandura's famous study with the "bobo doll" that you can find footage of on Youtube.
I looked for another study that I know which compared the behavior of young children after watching teletubies in one trial and power rangers, results being what you'd expect. I couldn't find footage of it, but if you google "effects of power rangers" without quotes you'll find an old California State study which was similar.
This stuff is not hard to find. Observational learning is a pretty basic phenomenon in animals, children, and adults.
@Andrewh313 Please link some studies to adults, not children who have no mental buffers. Observational learning is factual, but how much it matters among people of age is what's important. Are there any studies whatsoever that demonstrate that playing a lot of violent games or watching a lot of violent TV shows can turn an otherwise peaceful teenager into a violent criminal?
Ugh, now I think you're just trying to pester me. I thought we were talking about children?
Anyway, I found another study after literally less than a minute's worth of google searching. Google "The influence of media violence on youth". It should be the first thing. You can search for this stuff too, you know.
There is no age at which human beings become immune to environmental stimuli. We are not gifted with moral insight when we reach a certain age. We are all the products of our environment. Our environment acting with our animal biology is what makes us.
If violence is reinforced in our minds but we choose to act peaceably, it is only because peaceful behavior has luckily been enforced over violence. When someone is not so lucky to to have been trained to be peaceful, you get murder.
@Andrewh313 1) We are talking about kids of parents, the kind who parents blame games once said kids murder a bunch of people. That's what the vid is referring to. I don't think there's a glut of homicidal 4 year olds.
2) Yes, environmental stimuli always has an impact. However, our minds do change and develop our own identities. Telling me 'I double dog dare ya' to do X no longer has the same impact on me.
3) If violent imagery can't overcome positive parenting, the point is proven. Thank you
I have played violent video games since I was 6 - 18+ Anime (Japanese animations to those poor misinformed people who don't know) since I was 8, the first two I saw: Street Fighter 2 and Fist of the North Star a really ott violent anime... do I attack people? no... its down to the individual some people get over excited or feel socially excluded and feel they want to do what they saw in fiction. Parents need to realise it can be as simple as too much excitement leading to lack of control.
@Jeefy10 Ok idiot butt head of shitpoo guess u'll be running over some kids sometime soon because it isn't ur responsibility to keep an eye out when ur near a school zone! Life is a village don't like I see parents will always have the last say in everything If u REALLY don't believe it's a village why the hell r u voting? We the People is another expression for Village! u understand u don't want to say it straight forward u don't like taking care Ur an example of a child with messed up thinking
P.S. sounds like u might be a stupid parent calling urself stupid Stupidity is humanity's imperfection dummy ur full of it talking the way u do A child's thinking is Nature in action in that being We r as Nature made us animal flesh eater so many Animal flesh eaters act/talk like you but there r those vegetarians like Hitler too ANYONE COMMENTING LIKE THAT IS A PSYCHO ! UR SOMEONE'S MESSED UP CHILD - U INSULT UR PARENTS WITH UR COMMENT ...The World IS a Village ....
Im tierd of stupid parents blaming games for their kid’s messed up thinking. As a parent you should be responsible for what your kids play. All that “It takes a village” crap doesn’t make any sense. Why do other villagers have to take care of a thing that popped out of you? It doesn’t make any sense to have other people think about your child's well being if its yours, stop being lazy and take care of it yourself, you wanted to be a parent well theres your lil bundle of responsability, have fun.
EVERYONE is right n wrong all at the same time.Life isn't easy & my whole purpose was to simply say LAY OFF THE PARENTS! Society & The Parents or Guardians SHARE in the out come of children's' behavior. Nature's cruel, life's cruel, everyone needs their expressive energy expressed - let out - vented - imagined etc.Yes one would expect expressing violence through gaming would work out for everyone. NOT all minds & hearts are working alike. We r NOT a United States, We r Divided...
I slipped on a banana for the 1st time at the mall.Called the mall to come & clean it couldn't do it so stuck on the ground.They needed so much personal info encase I sued them.Can't hold the mall responsible for someone's negligence - No wait the mall should have had a # in the parking lot to call to notify them of the banana so they can clean it up quickly while the person stood watch making sure no one fell on it till they came. I'm still not suing, I'm not hurt.
@Noobercom No.They are responses to statements that are largely parent bashing & they don't deserve that.Parents have the right to speak their mind's.It is a tremendous job to raise little people these days & parents are just voicing their concerns.Will is misguided in being so angry at parents & putting SO MUCH blame on them. cont'd....
@Noobercom He's not in every parents life & home to say such a thing! Nature gave the Nerds the knowledge to make such phenomenas,I hold nature in everyone responsible.We all don't always understand why we do what we do. Understanding & compassion as well as fierceness is needed for savagery in humans. We r animals of many natures....Will is wrong to blame parents EPTY EPTY EPTY THAT'S ALL FOLKS...
@korg13 That's good TOGETHER NOT ALONE...I understand Will's anger but it's not an answer that resolves their issue with it.So goes on the fight.Nature's in action here,Some parents don't know what to do but be angry at adults they see as irresponsible,immature,silly etc.The Pilgrim mind to create a Utopa is always there.Violent games haven't been banned so what's been the big deal here.I don't agree with u & Will?I haven't taken it away from u so so what ! I'm fine with the regulations placed..
@korg13 & everyone Keep in mind these regulations that r in place r because of these parents who "blame" video games for violent behavior.They really r just holding these violent video makers responsible for the content & to inform buyers what they r buying. It's fair & it's right. I'm thankful for their work in enforcing labeling on all video game content. It should NOT have taken angry parents to have made this happen
Clarification - alot of what I wrote here to korg13 was not to korg13. Sorry for typing my statement as I did. It was towards alot of the other statements here...
Parents can't be blamed for everything. no parenting DOES NOT BEGIN & END WITH PARENTS - THATS SOCIETY ESCAPING SOCIAL RESPONSIBILTY FOR CHILDREN. GET FOR REAL.....SOCIETY RAISES CHILDREN TOO.....NOT JUST PARENTS STUPIDS ! SO WILL WEATON U R WRONG ! U HAVE A SOCIAL RESPONSIBILTY TO MY CHILDREN AS I DO MYSELF...!
@amensigala And oh yeah what the hell are we doing bringing children in a inapropriete world not fit for them?! Will Weaton's response was a Lazy One ! Only parents who don't take social & community responsibilty say such things! That's lazy thinking, doing, opiionating, ....WAKE UP ! HE'S IN DENIAL SO IS EVERYONE WHO SAYS THE SAME....
I agree with him for the most part in that, parents need to parent. However that is not a catch all that releases makers from creating quality content, and accurate advisories of what is included in TV programming or games ect. Often parents are not on the same page socially and morally with their children, which mean parents need helpful resources and to take action to guide their child when needed.
@stuart959 THK Y! It is a Community responsibilty to help & guide parent's damn it ! We have enough on our plates. We can't figure everything out & these games are NOT neccesary to a child's development. I can hear Will Weaton's temperment on the issue because like a BRAT he's responding in anger to parent's who cause so much trouble in the area he loves - GAMING....One can argue he's NOT being a good parent.....
@amensigala Of course video games are not necessary. Neither are movies or books or music or sports. They do, however, enrich the lives of many people, young and old. I think most responsible people know young children should not be playing violent video games. Here's a hint: don't let them play violent video games. Even better, teach them the difference between fantasy and reality, instill in them a strong sense of morality, and don't allow the computer to do your parenting for you.
everyone's talking about VIOLENT games not VIDEO....VIOLENT GAMES are not necessary period ! It's an electronic industry's emotional & psychological fantasy world in expressing everyone's violent nature already......enrichment wasn't my direction. The gross need for them was that they are not necessary. it's a rich spoiled society's brat need to have them.
@amensigala Violence is a part of our world. We MUST address this rather than hide from it. Of course, violence is often handled crassly. But it is sometimes treated w/ tact and poignancy. Is the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan unnecessary? Should the duel in Hamlet be cut? These moments confront violence with open eyes and tell us something of the human soul. When Snake kills someone, he forces a question on the player. What does it take to be a monster? What does it mean to be human?
UR REPLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MINE.....UR COMMENTS R PRACTICAL AGREED THINKING. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MOVIE SEGMENTS NOT BEING INAPPROPRIET...U STATED SOMETHING I AGREE WITH. NOT MY POINT
MY point is that violent video games can handle violence in meaningful ways. I mentioned one series (Metal Gear) famous for the way it forces the player to evaluate the repercussions of violence.
To sum up: You said violent video games are NEVER necessary. I say they are necessary in the same ways that violent books and movies are necessary; they force us to confront a very real facet of the world.
@CaleAncalima An illusion.Sex ed didn't stop the increase in teen pregnancy nor will "confronting violence in a meaningful way as he plays the game" stop violent needs.Facing in reality the violent needs which is one's anger towards something in a real effective setting confronts the issue.But the truth is we don't live in a real society.Everyone's practically fake/artificial.So artificial solutions for an artificial society...
@amensigala When I use the word "force" I mean that the player is made to confront violence in a meaningful way as he plays the game. Obviously, if the player turns the game off he won't experience the game that way. Of course, that argument works both ways. Don't want your kid playing a violent game? TURN THE GAME OFF.
I'm not sure what's going on in your other posts to me; I'm having trouble understanding them. I'm not trying to be offensive here, but, is English your first language?
@CaleAncalima I've corrected the sequence of my reply's.I understand wat uv said.Ur not getting mine.I never said anything about turning anything off & electronics r not necessary.I don't believe in this so called techno age.It's NOT the answer.All the same issue's will still be here even in the furthering of technology.Gaming is a luxury that a wealthy Nation uses 4 it's eccentric lifestyle.Violent gaming doesn't keep anyone from NOT being violent.Those types r like that already no matter what
@amensigala Never said that video games would stop violence. I wasn't suggesting games are a magical pill or anything. I was saying that games are good for the rest of us, that they deepen the range of experience for normal people, those not inclined to criminal violence. I was saying that censorship (i,e, legislation) will have NO effect on those who commit violence, after all,, "Those types r like that already NO MATTER WHAT"
@CaleAncalima No I didn't say I understood u mean to solve violence with "MY point is that violent video games can handle violence in meaningful ways."It's that ur saying those with violent bkgrounds or in the verge to get to that point can be helped to resolve their issues.Y&N i agree.I'm saying artificial anything is not confronting reality period.It has it's place in life & that is what I get from ur commenting.I say artificial anything is what it is ARTIFICIAL,FAKE, PHONY etc.
@CaleAncalima As for "Those types r like that already no matter what" I did a "dyslexic".I was referring 2 the "NOT being violent" types.If vegetarians ruled the world eating animals would become criminal.I never talked about legislation.I don't believe in it,Government,money.I believe in Community.People who refer 2 themselves as normal r then violent & not admitting to it.When we were babies we pulled hair,bit etc.We're violent from birth.It's a rich society's need to have their violent gaming
No my name isn't Richard. Sooooo.....what r u talking about. Sounds to me ur just another American brat that doesn't know what the words u use really mean...Never was named Dick - short for Richard u know....And wow! How did u conclude I was the only person in denial....When did u talk to the whole planet & found this out?
It's unfortunate that a lot of people refuse to take responsibility for their own children and expect everyone else to raise them instead. I had an argument with my stepsister about this. Although her deal is that no video game should be violent because video games are for children and she thinks that adults who play video games are violent murderers or something stupid like that. It's like, dude, my dad plays games and hes the most peaceful person I know!
If you can't see the difference between real life and a game there is something wrong with you, don't blame the game... typical american to blame it on everything else but them self.
This is how an american thinks: "If something goes wrong, SUE THEM!!!"
Exactly!!! People need to stop blaming everything else because they're a shit paren and take responsibility for the short people in their house instead of using videogames or television or the internet as a babysitter to raise their children
Too right.. Fucking hate it when people necessarly think it's games that cause violence, I've been playing video games all my life and I'm not violent.
he's so right. it's the damn parents that can't take responsibility so they blame others for their own mistakes whether it be game publishers or their children's friends.
LOL how can he get away with this. He's right but, when I've said this, since this is a natural observatory conclusion, to people within this type of discussion I've been purely hated and shot down with weird unreasonable arguments. Way to go Wes!
Can't blame it all on parents, I think. I remember playing violent video games when I was a little kid that my parents got for me. Those games in no way made me turn out violent. I don't blame my parents for anything, because obviously nothing bad became of it.
However, I DO blame the parents who carelessly get a violent game for their kids, then realize it later, and start blaming the gaming industry for corrupting their kids.
How can it be a two way street when its up to the parents to see what they're kids are playing dude ? .. i mean if they didn't get their kid a violent game in the first place, they wouldn't have the chance to blame it on it . its totally up to the parents, and not the games. if you can't take a violent game, Dont play it ? .. its that easy .
Dude if someone is going out and killing people or shooting up a school there had to be an underlying problem. I was raised on violent video games and never had thoughts of violence. That's like saying watching animal planet makes you want to go and pounce on an elk. If viloent video games did have a negative effect on people then I think it is the parents job to censor it. Ignorant parents shouldn't have to ruin gaming for perfectly sound minded adults.
If a butcher wasn't killing the animals you eat, you'd be viloent almost every week.....No way a violent thought has ever entered you mind. What the hell is that your playing that's going thru your head when you play it? Ugh.....you poeple walk around thinking your so cool, nice & calm. When in fact you're all still barbarians. You eat animals YOU'RE FREAKING VIOLENT....
@amensigala Haha violent thoughts are completely normal. It's how you act on these thoughts that matters. Yes I enjoy killing VIRTUALLY but no matter how much I enjoy that it has never made me want to kill actual people. Human are carnivorous whether you like it or not. Animals kill animals everyday but does anyone anyone shed a tear? Didn't think so. Back to the main point I was trying to make (getting off subject just proves you have no argument.) If someone kills they're insane.
@readein I never said violent thoughts aren't normal U SAID U NEVER HAD THOUGHTS OF VIOLENCE ENTER UR MIND....Humans aren't all omnivores some r vegetarian.NOT ALL animals kill to eat flesh but in defense or in annoyance.People HAVE SHED TEARS to the fact people continue to eat kind gentle vulnerable animals for a very long time.U answered this question ur self for some reason? U answered RIGHT ON AT THE END - if someone kills "They r insane".That includes animals. contin'd.....
@readein I didn't get off subject, I responded to what u stated...sooo....looks like ur the one that started the off subjecting...Personally I don't care about off subjecting - no big deal. Gives the opportunity for other ideas to flow that r connected...have ur gaming LAY OFF THE PARENTS! That's all I am saying...
Very true - it's up to parents to decide what's appropriate for kids to see and do and to set a good example, not wowsers who want to ruin it for the rest of us
the game i bought for my 6 year old broken condom without paying heed to the rating or making a informed decision myself about what is and isnt appropriate for a young child
is corrupting his future with violence!
Sex!
and a in general all arround good time!!!!
change a entire industry pissing off adult gamers and denying them enjoyment so i wont have to actually raise my kid and i can get back to letting non violent games that will make him gay do it for me!
It's only the kid's fault when they start making their own decisions. When your kid is like 15 or under, it's completely the parent's fault unless they are actually good and the kid is just naturally messed up.
I think it depends more on the maturity level of the child/ kid. I still see 17 year olds today trying to recreate Mortal Kombat moves, some people just shouldn't be aloud to play certain games until they gain common sense.
Every since the first time I put a quater in a Space Invaders game in 1980 my life has been a downward spiral of xenophobic hatred and violence. Also playing Pac Man gave me an eating disorder.
wow. parents doing nothing and then blaming society because they dont do anything?? wow. talk about a bunch of lazy parents.
on another note.. its also stated that people who play FPS or MMORPG style computer or console games have a faster reaction time then those who play.. well.. other games..
also i would rather have my military train on COD4 then sim city 4.
on another note. bludgerbeater628 doesnt your store have ratings on games? and do you enforce them?
I love that how many years later, whenever a discussion of Video Game violence takes place, a clip of the first Doom is shown, every single time. Go Wil!
I'll second that! Working in a game store myself, and seeing how many parents are completely appathetic to what games their children are purchasing.... I get completely disgusted on a daily basis. 4 year old childred WITH THEIR PARENTS purchasing GTA4... something is wrong there. These adults need to reevaluate themselves as rolemodels and positive contributors to future society as well.
I am a dad and a passionate gamer, so let me say this, he is so dead on. Raising my daughter is my responsibility and duty, I will do my best to help guide her decisions and pray that she doesn't rebel too hard against me and her mother because I will do my best to listen to her and learn from her as well.
@CanadianWolverine yeah DEAD ON is the emphasis here....IT TAKES A VILLAGE ! ....FORGETTING COMMUNITY ?....!...VILLAGE - WE THE PEOPLE....???????....!
Before games it was heavy metal music. Before heavy metal it was rock and roll. Parents will always try to find a scapegoat for their own incompetence. Thank you Wil Wheaton for standing up as a parent and saying where the real fault lies.
YellowRoseKat 3 months ago
Mr Wheaton is absolutely correct. If a parent buys their 10 year old child a copy of Call of Duty or GTA - then they are responsible for their child's resulting behaviour.
Message to parents and retailers: GAMES ARE CERTIFIED FOR A REASON. STOP BEING IGNORANT.
SamusDrake 5 months ago
@SamusDrake Yeah, that's one of the things I really don't get. Think games are making your child violent? Stop buying them violent games!
SamildanachEmrys 3 months ago
@SamildanachEmrys
Amen to that my friend. ^_^
SamusDrake 3 months ago
Shut up, Wesley!
ftolmsteen 7 months ago
never imagined Mr. Crusher cursing like that =/
DudeGuyNimNim 9 months ago
Wil speaks the truth.
xxx1v3tt3xxx 9 months ago
Despite the tremendous prevalence of games, both violent and non-violent, and the obsessive amount of energy that goes into studying its affect on child behavior - there have been NO conclusive studies to demonstrate anything even resembling a causal link between violent video games and increased violent behavior - and certainly nothing that would make games any more special than other media.
The silence here is deafening. Stop blaming games and get your parenting in order.
Stairc 10 months ago
@Stairc
This statement is factually untrue.
I admit it is egregiously unfair and incorrect to target only violent video games, but exposing children to any violent imagery has a direct causal link to violent behavior, especially when vicarious rewards are shown.
You should have learned about Albert Bandura's work in this area in psych 101.
Andrewh313 7 months ago
@Andrewh313 You should consider testifying in any of the court cases about this. You'd be the first to establish a causal relationship on the record.
Stairc 7 months ago
@Stairc
I don't know what you mean. The science is already there.
Andrewh313 7 months ago
@Andrewh313 1) Link me to the study.
2) The act of 'participating' via the violent games vs. other media was my main point. Suggesting a causal relationship distinct from other media has absolutely no research backing it that I'm aware of - and I certainly have looked. If you provide some, I will gladly change my mindset.
Stairc 7 months ago
@Stairc
I absolutely agree with you that video games should not be singled out as the only culprit. And I too do not know if child observational learning has been shown to be more potent in video games over films or books. But I think people will read your post and start thinking video games don't cause violent behavior at all.
I hope people will read this conversation and rethink their opinions on violence in the media :)
Andrewh313 7 months ago
@Andrewh313 I'm still waiting for you to reference your study.
Stairc 7 months ago
@Stairc
I don't know of any studies testing observational learning from video games, but I have no doubt it's been done. With television you have Albert Bandura's famous study with the "bobo doll" that you can find footage of on Youtube.
Andrewh313 7 months ago
@Stairc
I looked for another study that I know which compared the behavior of young children after watching teletubies in one trial and power rangers, results being what you'd expect. I couldn't find footage of it, but if you google "effects of power rangers" without quotes you'll find an old California State study which was similar.
This stuff is not hard to find. Observational learning is a pretty basic phenomenon in animals, children, and adults.
Andrewh313 7 months ago
@Andrewh313 Please link some studies to adults, not children who have no mental buffers. Observational learning is factual, but how much it matters among people of age is what's important. Are there any studies whatsoever that demonstrate that playing a lot of violent games or watching a lot of violent TV shows can turn an otherwise peaceful teenager into a violent criminal?
Stairc 7 months ago
@Stairc
Ugh, now I think you're just trying to pester me. I thought we were talking about children?
Anyway, I found another study after literally less than a minute's worth of google searching. Google "The influence of media violence on youth". It should be the first thing. You can search for this stuff too, you know.
Andrewh313 7 months ago
There is no age at which human beings become immune to environmental stimuli. We are not gifted with moral insight when we reach a certain age. We are all the products of our environment. Our environment acting with our animal biology is what makes us.
If violence is reinforced in our minds but we choose to act peaceably, it is only because peaceful behavior has luckily been enforced over violence. When someone is not so lucky to to have been trained to be peaceful, you get murder.
Andrewh313 7 months ago
@Andrewh313 1) We are talking about kids of parents, the kind who parents blame games once said kids murder a bunch of people. That's what the vid is referring to. I don't think there's a glut of homicidal 4 year olds.
2) Yes, environmental stimuli always has an impact. However, our minds do change and develop our own identities. Telling me 'I double dog dare ya' to do X no longer has the same impact on me.
3) If violent imagery can't overcome positive parenting, the point is proven. Thank you
Stairc 7 months ago 2
@sameDeRe81 that's my aunt bastard
calebstapelmann 10 months ago
@SamDeRe81 who wouldn't?
regenjo 11 months ago
I have played violent video games since I was 6 - 18+ Anime (Japanese animations to those poor misinformed people who don't know) since I was 8, the first two I saw: Street Fighter 2 and Fist of the North Star a really ott violent anime... do I attack people? no... its down to the individual some people get over excited or feel socially excluded and feel they want to do what they saw in fiction. Parents need to realise it can be as simple as too much excitement leading to lack of control.
Tornven2003 11 months ago
@Jeefy10 Ok idiot butt head of shitpoo guess u'll be running over some kids sometime soon because it isn't ur responsibility to keep an eye out when ur near a school zone! Life is a village don't like I see parents will always have the last say in everything If u REALLY don't believe it's a village why the hell r u voting? We the People is another expression for Village! u understand u don't want to say it straight forward u don't like taking care Ur an example of a child with messed up thinking
weRstillNotFree 1 year ago
P.S. sounds like u might be a stupid parent calling urself stupid Stupidity is humanity's imperfection dummy ur full of it talking the way u do A child's thinking is Nature in action in that being We r as Nature made us animal flesh eater so many Animal flesh eaters act/talk like you but there r those vegetarians like Hitler too ANYONE COMMENTING LIKE THAT IS A PSYCHO ! UR SOMEONE'S MESSED UP CHILD - U INSULT UR PARENTS WITH UR COMMENT ...The World IS a Village ....
weRstillNotFree 1 year ago
Shut up Wesley!
MasterLeatherface 1 year ago
Im tierd of stupid parents blaming games for their kid’s messed up thinking. As a parent you should be responsible for what your kids play. All that “It takes a village” crap doesn’t make any sense. Why do other villagers have to take care of a thing that popped out of you? It doesn’t make any sense to have other people think about your child's well being if its yours, stop being lazy and take care of it yourself, you wanted to be a parent well theres your lil bundle of responsability, have fun.
Jeefy10 1 year ago
lol it's wes
supadox 1 year ago
EVERYONE is right n wrong all at the same time.Life isn't easy & my whole purpose was to simply say LAY OFF THE PARENTS! Society & The Parents or Guardians SHARE in the out come of children's' behavior. Nature's cruel, life's cruel, everyone needs their expressive energy expressed - let out - vented - imagined etc.Yes one would expect expressing violence through gaming would work out for everyone. NOT all minds & hearts are working alike. We r NOT a United States, We r Divided...
amensigala 1 year ago 12
I slipped on a banana for the 1st time at the mall.Called the mall to come & clean it couldn't do it so stuck on the ground.They needed so much personal info encase I sued them.Can't hold the mall responsible for someone's negligence - No wait the mall should have had a # in the parking lot to call to notify them of the banana so they can clean it up quickly while the person stood watch making sure no one fell on it till they came. I'm still not suing, I'm not hurt.
amensigala 1 year ago 11
LEts all just agree with what he says okay ^^? Amen, you make alllllot of comments (nothing wrong with that, just stating it).
Noobercom 1 year ago
@Noobercom No.They are responses to statements that are largely parent bashing & they don't deserve that.Parents have the right to speak their mind's.It is a tremendous job to raise little people these days & parents are just voicing their concerns.Will is misguided in being so angry at parents & putting SO MUCH blame on them. cont'd....
amensigala 1 year ago 9
@Noobercom He's not in every parents life & home to say such a thing! Nature gave the Nerds the knowledge to make such phenomenas,I hold nature in everyone responsible.We all don't always understand why we do what we do. Understanding & compassion as well as fierceness is needed for savagery in humans. We r animals of many natures....Will is wrong to blame parents EPTY EPTY EPTY THAT'S ALL FOLKS...
amensigala 1 year ago 9
I told my kids that movies & games were entertainment not real life. My son an I play City of Heroes/Villains for fun.
korg13 1 year ago 5
@korg13 That's good TOGETHER NOT ALONE...I understand Will's anger but it's not an answer that resolves their issue with it.So goes on the fight.Nature's in action here,Some parents don't know what to do but be angry at adults they see as irresponsible,immature,silly etc.The Pilgrim mind to create a Utopa is always there.Violent games haven't been banned so what's been the big deal here.I don't agree with u & Will?I haven't taken it away from u so so what ! I'm fine with the regulations placed..
amensigala 1 year ago 8
@Everyone JUST LAY OFF THE PARENTS U STILL HAVE UR GAMING WHA WHA WHA STOP CRYING.....JUST BECAUSE U DON'T LIKE ME DISAGREEING ...
amensigala 1 year ago 9
@korg13 & everyone Keep in mind these regulations that r in place r because of these parents who "blame" video games for violent behavior.They really r just holding these violent video makers responsible for the content & to inform buyers what they r buying. It's fair & it's right. I'm thankful for their work in enforcing labeling on all video game content. It should NOT have taken angry parents to have made this happen
amensigala 1 year ago 13
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Clarification - alot of what I wrote here to korg13 was not to korg13. Sorry for typing my statement as I did. It was towards alot of the other statements here...
amensigala 1 year ago
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papaya774 1 year ago
Few wiser words were ever spoken. Very true.
Maverz290 1 year ago 35
Parents can't be blamed for everything. no parenting DOES NOT BEGIN & END WITH PARENTS - THATS SOCIETY ESCAPING SOCIAL RESPONSIBILTY FOR CHILDREN. GET FOR REAL.....SOCIETY RAISES CHILDREN TOO.....NOT JUST PARENTS STUPIDS ! SO WILL WEATON U R WRONG ! U HAVE A SOCIAL RESPONSIBILTY TO MY CHILDREN AS I DO MYSELF...!
amensigala 1 year ago 13
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amensigala 1 year ago
@amensigala And oh yeah what the hell are we doing bringing children in a inapropriete world not fit for them?! Will Weaton's response was a Lazy One ! Only parents who don't take social & community responsibilty say such things! That's lazy thinking, doing, opiionating, ....WAKE UP ! HE'S IN DENIAL SO IS EVERYONE WHO SAYS THE SAME....
amensigala 1 year ago 12
Games don't kill people - sh*tty parenting does! Well said.
Although it's only part of the answer,of course,it's more close to the truth than the opposite. Well said,Wil!
ElfHybrid 1 year ago
@ElfHybrid
Shitty parenting & social neglegience.....
amensigala 1 year ago 24
yeah videogames makes people nerdy and not score, not violent DAMNIT!
alanfunkle 1 year ago
@alanfunkle :D
alanfunkle 1 year ago
Thank you!!!
pleasegohome1 1 year ago
I agree with him for the most part in that, parents need to parent. However that is not a catch all that releases makers from creating quality content, and accurate advisories of what is included in TV programming or games ect. Often parents are not on the same page socially and morally with their children, which mean parents need helpful resources and to take action to guide their child when needed.
stuart959 1 year ago 11
@stuart959 THK Y! It is a Community responsibilty to help & guide parent's damn it ! We have enough on our plates. We can't figure everything out & these games are NOT neccesary to a child's development. I can hear Will Weaton's temperment on the issue because like a BRAT he's responding in anger to parent's who cause so much trouble in the area he loves - GAMING....One can argue he's NOT being a good parent.....
amensigala 1 year ago 12
@amensigala Of course video games are not necessary. Neither are movies or books or music or sports. They do, however, enrich the lives of many people, young and old. I think most responsible people know young children should not be playing violent video games. Here's a hint: don't let them play violent video games. Even better, teach them the difference between fantasy and reality, instill in them a strong sense of morality, and don't allow the computer to do your parenting for you.
CaleAncalima 1 year ago
@CaleAncalima
everyone's talking about VIOLENT games not VIDEO....VIOLENT GAMES are not necessary period ! It's an electronic industry's emotional & psychological fantasy world in expressing everyone's violent nature already......enrichment wasn't my direction. The gross need for them was that they are not necessary. it's a rich spoiled society's brat need to have them.
amensigala 1 year ago 11
@amensigala Violence is a part of our world. We MUST address this rather than hide from it. Of course, violence is often handled crassly. But it is sometimes treated w/ tact and poignancy. Is the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan unnecessary? Should the duel in Hamlet be cut? These moments confront violence with open eyes and tell us something of the human soul. When Snake kills someone, he forces a question on the player. What does it take to be a monster? What does it mean to be human?
CaleAncalima 1 year ago
@CaleAncalima
UR REPLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MINE.....UR COMMENTS R PRACTICAL AGREED THINKING. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MOVIE SEGMENTS NOT BEING INAPPROPRIET...U STATED SOMETHING I AGREE WITH. NOT MY POINT
amensigala 1 year ago 11
@amensigala Woah! Ease down, tiger.
MY point is that violent video games can handle violence in meaningful ways. I mentioned one series (Metal Gear) famous for the way it forces the player to evaluate the repercussions of violence.
To sum up: You said violent video games are NEVER necessary. I say they are necessary in the same ways that violent books and movies are necessary; they force us to confront a very real facet of the world.
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amensigala 1 year ago
@CaleAncalima An illusion.Sex ed didn't stop the increase in teen pregnancy nor will "confronting violence in a meaningful way as he plays the game" stop violent needs.Facing in reality the violent needs which is one's anger towards something in a real effective setting confronts the issue.But the truth is we don't live in a real society.Everyone's practically fake/artificial.So artificial solutions for an artificial society...
amensigala 1 year ago 12
@CaleAncalima
P.S. ended typing in caps & had to move on so i just let it be......meow!
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@amensigala When I use the word "force" I mean that the player is made to confront violence in a meaningful way as he plays the game. Obviously, if the player turns the game off he won't experience the game that way. Of course, that argument works both ways. Don't want your kid playing a violent game? TURN THE GAME OFF.
I'm not sure what's going on in your other posts to me; I'm having trouble understanding them. I'm not trying to be offensive here, but, is English your first language?
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amensigala 1 year ago
@CaleAncalima I've corrected the sequence of my reply's.I understand wat uv said.Ur not getting mine.I never said anything about turning anything off & electronics r not necessary.I don't believe in this so called techno age.It's NOT the answer.All the same issue's will still be here even in the furthering of technology.Gaming is a luxury that a wealthy Nation uses 4 it's eccentric lifestyle.Violent gaming doesn't keep anyone from NOT being violent.Those types r like that already no matter what
amensigala 1 year ago 7
@amensigala Never said that video games would stop violence. I wasn't suggesting games are a magical pill or anything. I was saying that games are good for the rest of us, that they deepen the range of experience for normal people, those not inclined to criminal violence. I was saying that censorship (i,e, legislation) will have NO effect on those who commit violence, after all,, "Those types r like that already NO MATTER WHAT"
CaleAncalima 1 year ago
@CaleAncalima No I didn't say I understood u mean to solve violence with "MY point is that violent video games can handle violence in meaningful ways."It's that ur saying those with violent bkgrounds or in the verge to get to that point can be helped to resolve their issues.Y&N i agree.I'm saying artificial anything is not confronting reality period.It has it's place in life & that is what I get from ur commenting.I say artificial anything is what it is ARTIFICIAL,FAKE, PHONY etc.
amensigala 1 year ago 6
@CaleAncalima As for "Those types r like that already no matter what" I did a "dyslexic".I was referring 2 the "NOT being violent" types.If vegetarians ruled the world eating animals would become criminal.I never talked about legislation.I don't believe in it,Government,money.I believe in Community.People who refer 2 themselves as normal r then violent & not admitting to it.When we were babies we pulled hair,bit etc.We're violent from birth.It's a rich society's need to have their violent gaming
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amensigala 1 year ago
@amensigala Don't be a dick.
The only person in denial is you.
rabidsi 1 year ago
@rabidsi
No my name isn't Richard. Sooooo.....what r u talking about. Sounds to me ur just another American brat that doesn't know what the words u use really mean...Never was named Dick - short for Richard u know....And wow! How did u conclude I was the only person in denial....When did u talk to the whole planet & found this out?
amensigala 1 year ago 9
for once in his entire career I dont wat to tell him to shutup it a bloody christmas miracle!
lolcatofawsumd 1 year ago
You said it, Wil.
fadsforwhatever 1 year ago
Yay, Will!!! Damn right you are!
sonjagartner 1 year ago
It's unfortunate that a lot of people refuse to take responsibility for their own children and expect everyone else to raise them instead. I had an argument with my stepsister about this. Although her deal is that no video game should be violent because video games are for children and she thinks that adults who play video games are violent murderers or something stupid like that. It's like, dude, my dad plays games and hes the most peaceful person I know!
merchickety 1 year ago
people used to blame rock music, now they blame video games. in 500 years they're gonna blame holograms.
MyGuruLife 1 year ago 5
@MyGuruLife Let's just blame Nature,after all we didn't make ourselves (0= Really like the holograms example GOOD ONE !
amensigala 1 year ago 5
If you can't see the difference between real life and a game there is something wrong with you, don't blame the game... typical american to blame it on everything else but them self.
This is how an american thinks: "If something goes wrong, SUE THEM!!!"
rolandz333 1 year ago 2
Exactly!!! People need to stop blaming everything else because they're a shit paren and take responsibility for the short people in their house instead of using videogames or television or the internet as a babysitter to raise their children
vampjoseph11 1 year ago
Too right.. Fucking hate it when people necessarly think it's games that cause violence, I've been playing video games all my life and I'm not violent.
spo666tty 1 year ago
He's absolutelly right!
benZZZgomeZZZ 1 year ago
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So society has nothing to do with it... It's just the fucking parents? Fucking ignorant!
VinciLit 2 years ago
he's so right. it's the damn parents that can't take responsibility so they blame others for their own mistakes whether it be game publishers or their children's friends.
illicit0 2 years ago 4
LOL how can he get away with this. He's right but, when I've said this, since this is a natural observatory conclusion, to people within this type of discussion I've been purely hated and shot down with weird unreasonable arguments. Way to go Wes!
makotoyoshikuni 2 years ago
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Shut up Wesley!
theseriousaccount 2 years ago
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Shut up, Wesley.
TheDoctorofGood 2 years ago
Can't blame it all on parents, I think. I remember playing violent video games when I was a little kid that my parents got for me. Those games in no way made me turn out violent. I don't blame my parents for anything, because obviously nothing bad became of it.
However, I DO blame the parents who carelessly get a violent game for their kids, then realize it later, and start blaming the gaming industry for corrupting their kids.
echoskybound 2 years ago 4
HWill HWheaton sounds like a nice guy.
phoen99rising 2 years ago
AMEN
AluminumJacket 2 years ago 2
yea wesley shut up! take the helm and get us out of this place! warp 1 engage!
anewunderstanding 2 years ago 8
Shut up Wesley!
alexfanx 2 years ago 7
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Excuse me William Wheaton !!
Shut you're mouth & get a clue.
Its actually both Parents need to get a clue while at the same time, git rid of these violent games. Its actually a two way street on this issue.
ewtng 2 years ago
Wil Wheaton is mouth?
How's that even possible?
arturbb 2 years ago
How can it be a two way street when its up to the parents to see what they're kids are playing dude ? .. i mean if they didn't get their kid a violent game in the first place, they wouldn't have the chance to blame it on it . its totally up to the parents, and not the games. if you can't take a violent game, Dont play it ? .. its that easy .
jigzeus 2 years ago 2
Dude if someone is going out and killing people or shooting up a school there had to be an underlying problem. I was raised on violent video games and never had thoughts of violence. That's like saying watching animal planet makes you want to go and pounce on an elk. If viloent video games did have a negative effect on people then I think it is the parents job to censor it. Ignorant parents shouldn't have to ruin gaming for perfectly sound minded adults.
readein 2 years ago 3
@readein
If a butcher wasn't killing the animals you eat, you'd be viloent almost every week.....No way a violent thought has ever entered you mind. What the hell is that your playing that's going thru your head when you play it? Ugh.....you poeple walk around thinking your so cool, nice & calm. When in fact you're all still barbarians. You eat animals YOU'RE FREAKING VIOLENT....
amensigala 1 year ago 4
@amensigala Haha violent thoughts are completely normal. It's how you act on these thoughts that matters. Yes I enjoy killing VIRTUALLY but no matter how much I enjoy that it has never made me want to kill actual people. Human are carnivorous whether you like it or not. Animals kill animals everyday but does anyone anyone shed a tear? Didn't think so. Back to the main point I was trying to make (getting off subject just proves you have no argument.) If someone kills they're insane.
readein 1 year ago
@readein I never said violent thoughts aren't normal U SAID U NEVER HAD THOUGHTS OF VIOLENCE ENTER UR MIND....Humans aren't all omnivores some r vegetarian.NOT ALL animals kill to eat flesh but in defense or in annoyance.People HAVE SHED TEARS to the fact people continue to eat kind gentle vulnerable animals for a very long time.U answered this question ur self for some reason? U answered RIGHT ON AT THE END - if someone kills "They r insane".That includes animals. contin'd.....
amensigala 1 year ago 6
@readein I didn't get off subject, I responded to what u stated...sooo....looks like ur the one that started the off subjecting...Personally I don't care about off subjecting - no big deal. Gives the opportunity for other ideas to flow that r connected...have ur gaming LAY OFF THE PARENTS! That's all I am saying...
amensigala 1 year ago 6
shut up wesley!
supajive 2 years ago 2
He's quite right. Cheers to Mr. Wheaton!
stecky87 2 years ago 4
Strong language there from a usually placid Wil Wheaton. Dead right though!
Thiefree 2 years ago 3
we should all be nicer to will wheaton
watdoejebigtime 2 years ago 2
WOW! He looks sooo...different from when he played in the movie stand by me!!!
1VtArtist 2 years ago 2
LOL! Mr Crusher is cursing
Pahjx 2 years ago 4
@Pahjx
Yeah I though that too...(=....funny
amensigala 1 year ago
He did a voice in GTA: San Andreas.
Richard Burns, WCTR News.
BryanBeatsYouAll 2 years ago
"why don't you use the jaws of life on your fat wife!"
DoovieMIK 2 years ago
Parent: this game is a M rated game hmm blood and gore......ill bye it anyway im sure my kid wont kill any body.
couple of days later.
kid: MUM i shot Dad but he didn't respawn
swordmonkey05 2 years ago 2
Very true - it's up to parents to decide what's appropriate for kids to see and do and to set a good example, not wowsers who want to ruin it for the rest of us
N0NEoftheAB0VE 2 years ago
he's my hero
domnarrag 2 years ago
what about the pressure of society?
Kids at school, the media. How much
control does a parent have over their
kids? And at what point do they lose it,
and or alienate their kids. Everyone is
responsible for what they do, produce,
say, and do. What is the result?
Good to see Wil hard at it!
saydso 2 years ago
the game i bought for my 6 year old broken condom without paying heed to the rating or making a informed decision myself about what is and isnt appropriate for a young child
is corrupting his future with violence!
Sex!
and a in general all arround good time!!!!
change a entire industry pissing off adult gamers and denying them enjoyment so i wont have to actually raise my kid and i can get back to letting non violent games that will make him gay do it for me!
killgore333333 2 years ago
He's totally right its is the parents fucking fault this does explain alot way kids are the way they are today.
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AvaneDS 2 years ago
wth? f traditional familly life if the kids are happy you are happy and your husband is happy why the hell end it
so what if the kid learns a naughty word at the age 8 hes gonna hear it in school from a punk who has a less awesome familly
killgore333333 2 years ago 2
or from a LOUD BLASTING CAR....ha! (0=
papaya774 1 year ago 4
H'will H'wheaton
LovelornGraduate 2 years ago 2
It's not the parents' fault! It's the kid's own fault.
alabamagirl74 3 years ago
It's only the kid's fault when they start making their own decisions. When your kid is like 15 or under, it's completely the parent's fault unless they are actually good and the kid is just naturally messed up.
kids do whatever adults do.
smiggedy 3 years ago 3
I think it depends more on the maturity level of the child/ kid. I still see 17 year olds today trying to recreate Mortal Kombat moves, some people just shouldn't be aloud to play certain games until they gain common sense.
SilverCaboose 2 years ago 3
@smiggedy
Yeah ADULTS...so that's any adult in society....
amensigala 1 year ago
or maybe its judeo christian values fucking everyone up
when i was a child i was raised on violent entertainment sugar and porn
killgore333333 2 years ago 4
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Yup, that and little red riding hood.
benjaminbobbin 2 years ago
Every since the first time I put a quater in a Space Invaders game in 1980 my life has been a downward spiral of xenophobic hatred and violence. Also playing Pac Man gave me an eating disorder.
TrueDavebucket 3 years ago 5
shutup wesley
ancalites 3 years ago
Well said Will!
yankeegelandewagen 3 years ago 10
*applauds*
tehmuffinmon 3 years ago
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Little faggot.
WiIliamShatner 3 years ago
wow. parents doing nothing and then blaming society because they dont do anything?? wow. talk about a bunch of lazy parents.
on another note.. its also stated that people who play FPS or MMORPG style computer or console games have a faster reaction time then those who play.. well.. other games..
also i would rather have my military train on COD4 then sim city 4.
on another note. bludgerbeater628 doesnt your store have ratings on games? and do you enforce them?
Nagantae 3 years ago
Right on Wil! That is spot on.
eepruls 3 years ago 3
Amen!
gabidesu 3 years ago
I love that how many years later, whenever a discussion of Video Game violence takes place, a clip of the first Doom is shown, every single time. Go Wil!
Trebek021b 3 years ago
I'll second that! Working in a game store myself, and seeing how many parents are completely appathetic to what games their children are purchasing.... I get completely disgusted on a daily basis. 4 year old childred WITH THEIR PARENTS purchasing GTA4... something is wrong there. These adults need to reevaluate themselves as rolemodels and positive contributors to future society as well.
bludgerbeater628 3 years ago 3
I am a dad and a passionate gamer, so let me say this, he is so dead on. Raising my daughter is my responsibility and duty, I will do my best to help guide her decisions and pray that she doesn't rebel too hard against me and her mother because I will do my best to listen to her and learn from her as well.
CanadianWolverine 4 years ago 2
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Then don't sell it to them you assHole.
mcdade10 3 years ago
Duty....Call of duty. Sorry i had too
keenmachine80 3 years ago
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papaya774 1 year ago 2
@CanadianWolverine yeah DEAD ON is the emphasis here....IT TAKES A VILLAGE ! ....FORGETTING COMMUNITY ?....!...VILLAGE - WE THE PEOPLE....???????....!
amensigala 1 year ago 2
Haha- Good Talking there from wil wheaton!!
GREENHOUSES 4 years ago 2