Sure this is a strait track with a gradual turn, now if you put this onto an actual F1 track the veyron would get a slower speed because it wasnt built for F1 racing while the Mclaren was build around that.
F1 is a legend no matter what... it dosent have a w12 engine let alone a W16 with quad turbos im sure any car you put 4 turbos in would be fast ass shit. The F1 is a marvel idc what anyone says.
thats my point its not a track day car, the LM is a track day car, that would be more like the vayron ss, the standard f1 is built for every day use aka a road car but to give the driver a f1 feel hence the lack of driving aids.and im not even bothered about comparing the two, all im saying is your statement about it being a track car is wrong. and its not like apples and chalk, they both have seats and a steering wheel so you can compare the two if you wish.
Bugatti= fast car....Mclaren= fast, legendary, iconic car. Not to mention Bugatti has 4 turbos, 1001 hp, and was build almost 20 years later!!! and still Mclaren manages to rape it!!! Also Bugatti handles like a donkey and it's not a race car!!!
top gear shows mclaren to be fast over 400m but in fact they wrong. all ways knew that mclaren when the car out was 11.3 400m time ..bugatti is lot faster car, one reason why i don't like top gear they lair
@reobarrt This was my concern with this episode. They held it in such a hot, dry area. It put the turbocharged vehicle at a massive disadvantage. Conditions like that can reduce the power a turbocharged vehicle makes by up to 30%. Independant tests have shown that in ideal conditions the veyron runs a 10.8 400m ET. And everybody seems to be losing sight of one thing. The Mclaren is a purpose built track day car. The veyron is a grand tourer with heated seats ect. Its acheivement is amazing.
@dvcelica the f1 is not a purpose built race car, its a road car its not that good round a track, for that you introduce the LM or the long tail.the f1 has the worlds lightest cd changer the hide on the seats is 0.77mm thick the engineering on this car is just beyond anal, i mean what kind of track car would come with its own lugguage and GOLF set? Rons design brief was build me the ultimate road car i think they did what set out to.
@yido4life83 I stated its a purpose built track day car.. Big difference. Sure It has luggage compartments. But any drive to the *track-track it-drive home* vehicle needs to carry things like fuel, parts and tools. The F1 makes very few compremises for pure performance.The veyron on the other hand is a completely different beast, focusing first on comfort and luxury. Even comparing the 2 is like comparing apples and chalk. For a comparison at vehicles aimed at the same thing use the veyron SS
@reobarrt "While the F1 was quicker off the line and remained ahead until both cars were travelling at approximately 200 km/h, the Bugatti overtook its competitor from 200 to 300 km/h, and emerged the victor. Hammond has stated that he did not use the Veyron's launch control in order to make the race more interesting." - Quoted from Wikipedia.
@Hasseta Japanese people are good with cars, you don't have to worry, the fate of this car is in good hands :) This F1 looks like it belongs to a company though, not a private car.
i hate how all people care is how fast a car is in straights. i don't care about drag racing or top speed at all damnit. show me lap times around a track. that's the ONLY way to really compare cars.
The Mclaren is a REAL racing car built by a guy who has won every prize possible in the F1 arena.......16 YEARS AGO!! The Bugatti is a great car. Sadly it was just an experiment by VW. Each car costs in excess of $5m to build.
The Mclaren wins any competitions between the two simply because it has earned it.
@AyeAreAy not true. in the early days, vw was saying each veyron was costing 5 million to make but that's because they were exaggerating and assuming they wouldn't sell as many as they have. when they factored in the r & d costs, the first few veyrons may have cost them that much but the materials and labor definitely aren't 5 million for each veyron. the 5 million includes the r & d costs but that's a one time fee basically, they've sold 400 veyrons, trust me, they've made a profit
This is easy to split. If you are a poof who just wants to brag about what numbers your car can do in theory you get a veyron. If you are a driver who wants a car with excellent perfornace, sound and feel you buy the F1. This is a straight line test but the veyron can only top out in about 3 places in the world because it needs a very flat surface. The F1 can do it anywhere there's room. Also take stopping and turning. The veyron is a fat car made to seperate idiots and their money.
the stupid veyron fans are proud that theyre car can beat a 90`s car...hah and when i say `beat` i mean `by a whisker`.....nothing beats f1...not even my beloved girlfriend.....
@Mocelet Back in 1993, it was the first car to use a carbon fibre based shell. They had to change the law so you could sit directly int he middle making it the first production car to be able to do so. The engine bay is lined all in gold for conductivity purposes...and yet your comparing the two? The Mclaren F1 was an engineering feat in its day, the Bugatti simple shows us what we can do in current times. You cannot compare the two but simple admire them both for what they have done.
id kill to own both cars.ppl arguing over them makes no sense at all.the f1 was blisteringly fast but was spartan n felt more like a track car thats ready to bite ur nuts off at any given point of time (awesome).on the other hand the veyron is the fastest car but built to be more refined as its got a host of features and creature comforts available in a luxury saloon.bottom line one is always rabid the while the other is more stately quiet n calm (except when u put ur foot down on a straight).
@moondog203 Hmm.. you've obviously never seen one in real life, I have and trust me, it's NOT dull. How can you say a car with acceleration like that is DULL?! Are you nuts?
good job that guy in the green race suit is sat in the middle his balls must need a seat each side hes doing about 200mph feet from that wall on a steep bank in sum ones 2mil car lol fuck that !!
why do ppl compare these 2 cars so much...apart from top end speed they really dont have much in common..the MF1 is simply pure...look at the seating position..the VW was inspired by a drunk nite out when the boss of VW wanted to build a 1000hp car...the top speed was the result not the inspiration..
the interior of Bugatti sucks(almost like mazda miata) and same is with front mask(extremelly poor). Overall performance as well as general look, however, are truly impressive.
Well, the McLaren F1 still holds the record for being the fastest car with a naturally-aspirated engine. It's a legend. I shall bow to Murray and Stevens.
i think mclaren should bring out a newschool mclaren f1...long live the legend but bugatti don't deserve the title over mclaren, it's had YEARS to refine everything now, try giving Mclaren that time too and see what they come out with!
The McLaren got the spirit of the `70` and looks so beautiful like a Porsche 917 or a Ford Group or other racingcars from the past ! Veyron got more power but its a clumsy packet without shape and grace ! I rather like to be SPIDERMAN than the HULK !
Yeah, and most of them are just kids (or worse, overgrown kids of adults) who think they know everything because they have driven them in some videogame or just compare simple stats. Usually they compare apples with oranges shamelessly.
@stepxunit it´s called passion, i don´t like to argue but when you like something and have certain knowledge, you talk, discuss, and sometimes argue about it because that´s what you like.
@markoloko1000 Passion or not... they never driven those cars.. im 99,99% sure... so you cant judge just on video's and specs.. :P but thats my opinion.. you can't have all knowledge if never driven or seen to the bone you know
@stepxunit Dude the most powerful machines on the planet there's only like 10 o f each ever made anyway banning people from talking about it is pointless that's like saying your not god so you cant talk about Christianity or that your not a f1 driver so you cant compare f1 teams let people loose and stop being so boring.
@MrFlapjack247 i dont say you CANT talk about it.. but people talk like they KNOW how it drives IRL.. how it feels.. how this.. how that... i think its stupid
the mclaren is better thanthe bugatti because it has no forced induction has 4 less cylinders and is 15 years behind in tire technology, transmission development, and carbon fiber development yet it still holds its own against the bugatti
@UmerKaiser100 your rite mate 15 year old car but can u amagein the same F1 of then , but built today it be much better with the technoligy we have today . i dont like the veyron it has a 2nd key u have to use just to get you at its top spead . the F1 ant got dat haha its just RAW british power well most of its british part from the bmw engine haha.
@UmerKaiser100 The Bugatti is better than the McLaren because it has 4 turbos, 16 cylinders and is decades ahead in safety, stability, comfort and and despite its weight (2000kg vs 1100kg) still demolishes the McLaren.
the fact the the McLaren was developed in the 80s and 90s and the Bugatti was made came around in 2005, 14 YEARS laters, proves the McLaren is better.
Its like a video I saw of a Viper beating an AE86 in a drift contest......and the Viper owner was bragging about it......obviously the AE86 is better, its fucking 25 YEARS OLD!!!
My points is that anyone saying the Bugatti is better is stupid, is competing against a car that is pushing 20 years old. Stop bragging!!
@Yahwehsninja You're a morn and have no idea what you're talking about. I think you better go back and educate yourself on the two auto makers and get back with us here on earth.
@ZrOvSbLtY Oh boy I missed a key with my big ass fingers. It's better than having no knowledge as to what I am currently discussing. Oh and it's BECAUSE dumb ass not cause. A cause is a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition. There you go. No keys missed that time, MORON!
@Yahwehsninja yeah mclaren is impressive for such a old car but the bugattie is more impressive because ithas much more things in it like radio, gps, airco ... and its around 2000 kg so thats very heavy for a sports car. And still the bugatti is very fast.
LOL ...you fucking internet trolls bitching @ each other over what car is better? None of you could even afford the fucking nuts holding the wheels on these cars!!! So SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! AND GO BACK TO YOUR VIDEO GAMES IN YO MOMMAS BASEMENT!!!
@irobot2009able because the mclaren is a sportscar, the veyron more of a gran turismo. How much fun is it to drive around corners with about 4000pounds
The only thing mclaren needs to do to beat the bugatti's 253mph record is to wheel out their 691hp LM spec version, sans wing and HDF, onto ehra lessein.
@harveer97 best car ever made? my hairy rear end it is. I would take take the Mclaren over the Bugatti anyday. first off, the bugatti is just plain ugly, as compared to the asthetically appealing and lovable mclaren. not to mention the mclaren sounds so much better. but since i cant cant have a mclaren, i'll take a ligenfelter corvette. now that is one of the best cars ever made.
Engineering: the Veyron blows away all street cars ever made. Nothing comes close, full stop.
Total package: the Veyron is probably the most impressive. Lots of cars are fast, but no other car is THAT fast AND that easy to drive AND that luxurious AND that well made etc.
Versatility: hard to say; the McLaren has better visibility and more interior space but the Veyron should be easier to drive in adverse conditions.
Ultimately, both of these cars are really expensive, and really fast. Obviously, the Bugatti is faster, but I still give more credit to the guys at McLaren for being able to produce the world's first super-supercar...granted it was a process, but I think the F1 changed the game entirely when it comes to performance...we can thank the McLaren for cars like the Veyron even existing.
(1995 Lemans winner was an F1 GTR) I'm guessing Tippotipo is mentally challenged because any person with a sound mind knows a Veyron is too heavy to pose a serious threat other than on straightways. If I seem to remember correctly the Veyron also goes through a tank at full throttle in 13minutes which means one pit stop every four laps. Having 7 gears means you'll have to shift more often as well. N/A BMW V12 versus W16 quad turbo. It's a no brainer reliability wise.
You ask for challenge?You got it. Engine wise, quad turbo W16 is more reliable having already accumulated 500,000 km. Each Veyron have already 500 km at their counter before delivery. As for fuel consumption both F1 LM and Veyron are even, Veyron empty in 13 minutes at its top speed, same apply to most race cars/supercars. Have you forgotten that former McLaren F1 designer was surprised by Veyron handling despite its weight, a Formula One car has 7 gears? You haven
@Tippotipo Uhm....no. Fuel consumption is less in the V12 McLaren considering it is lighter, has a smaller displacement and less drive wheels to propel. Comparing just highway and city mpg avg you can easily tell there would be a considerable difference in 1v1 racing. The F1 gets 15.3mpg and the Veyron gets 13mpg. You can't honestly say weight isn't a factor. In your logic a 911RSR would get smoked by a Mercedes E class. Yes, the E class AMG is faster but it will get smoked on winding, roads.
Which F1 do you refer, the LM or the regular? Veyron fuel consumption is a russian roulette, it varies from 13 to 15 mpg as tested by EPA, the highest was 18 mpg in Connecticut (USA) by local car reviewers on highway which is amazing considering the engine size. It has a lot do with the way to drive. Are you comparing the race car (911 RSR) with a road car (E class AMG)? More drive wheels (AWD) are actually better, they are banned from most racing league for "unfair advantage".
@Tippotipo Did you mean unfair as in unfair to the drivers that get stuck behind this slow turning truck on corners? Notice how the McLaren guy said good handling for its size. That means it handles well...... for a truck :P 18mpg hypermiling is pretty horrid. Just admit it, the F1 in any form gets better mpg and is more reliable. FYI: BMW made airplane engines before it turned to automobiles so the engine itself in the F1 is very sound.
Tell that to Audi and Nissan that dominated then were forced to not use AWD in racing league. You contradicted yourself when I pointed out Veyron can have better fuel consumption (18 mpg) than F1 (15 mpg) with proper driving hence even for both to be fair. Both are supercars so mpg is irrelevant. You still did not prove why a BMW-M V12 engine is more reliable than Quad-turbo W16 engine. There is no comparison because the latter is more advanced.
@Tippotipo I never contradicted myself. I gave the averages in fuel consumption and I had no doubt the McLaren was better on gas. 4wd gives a 0-60 and initial acceleration advantage but other wise it lacks. Wider wheels can't be turned very far in 1 direction before they contact the inside of the wheel well which means the turning arc is wider. UNDERSTEER, that's what all front wheel and awd cars get. The grip you speak of is not the handling characteristic of which I am talking about.
@scoped98k You should take account of the driving style in equation, for that reason fuel consumption both McLaren F1 and Veyron are even. What does awd (not the traditional 4wd) lack otherwise? It appears you are confusing awd with traditional 4wd. The former is more advanced because it can switch to either fwd or rwd depending of the condition as demonstrated by Audi Quattro and Nissan GTR (and previously Skyline GT-R). For those reasons, awd are banned from most racing leaque.
@Tippotipo awd and 4wd are the same thing on 4 wheeled vehicles. BOTH can be switch mode and BOTH drive all four wheels unless you mean awd as in all wheel drive at all times with an electronic power distribution program. Your math doesn't add up either. 4162 lb vehicle with a W16 awd getting better mpg than a rwd with only 12 cylinders and a smaller displacement weighing in at 2341lbs. The RWD BMW M3 still out performs the equivalent AWD Audi.
F1LM vs Bugatti Veyron around Circuit De La Sarthe in a 24 hour race would be a no contest win for McLaren. I agree, the McLaren is better sounding and more fun to drive. The BMW M Power V12 in the McLaren means it has already won reliability wise and lower weight with rear wheel drive means the F1 will also win the turning battle.
Circuit De La Sarthe? McLaren F1 LM (slower than regular F1) would have no chance at that track against Bugatti Veyron should they duel in 24 hour race. Quad Turbo W16 engine was designed to handle its power and torque in reliable way (proven with 500,000+ km on its counter with only routine check). AWD give Veyron advantages of grip.
I am aware of that, Veyron would not be allowed in ACO due to its engine as well and its component. AWD is allowed in rally racing though. I assumed the poster mentioned in term of production cars in possible fictional scenario. My point still stands that McLaren F1 LM would not stand a chance against a road car like Veyron designed for reliability purpose.
@Tippotipo That's probably true but the F1 LM won its class in LM, right? Don't quote me on that either cuz I can't remember for sure right now so it's obviously reliable enough. Still the Veyron is a truly remarkable piece of engineering.
F1 LM never raced in LM (LeMans), F1 GTR (which LM is based from) did. The answer was for scoped98k's claim that BMW-M V12 is more reliable than Quad-turbo W16 engine. In their stock configuration, the reserve is true.
@Tippotipo Oh right! I was way out in that case. Sorry. And no, the W16 is probably way more reliable. No arguing there. I misunderstood the whole argument.
@TheRube216 McLaren took the over all win. So I can't figure out why Tippotipo says the Gayron would be more reliable in such a race than a proven race car with a very reliable proven BMW racing engine. The GTR won 1995 LeMans but the F1LM is basically the same design with a shorter rear.
@scoped98k I think I've misunderstood the whole argument from the start so I won't take sides here. I believe (See: "Hope because it's my absolute favourite car ever") that the F1 GTR would win if they raced in 24h of LM. But if we're talking about F1 LM I really don't know how much the engine would take considering the removals of restrictions. But seriously guys: This video is about the standard F1 (the original of the best IMO) and the Veyron. There will be twists in opinions. Deal with it.
@scoped98k I have seen the handling of the Veyron and I'm aware of how heavy it is. But it's still the faster of the two in both speed and acceleration so it will definetaly be faster along the back straight than the F1 even if it (Bug) don't have the wing down which it probably won't in racetrim. And considering the twisty sectors towards the end of the lap still contains quite alot of fast straightisch bits the F1 would probably have a rough time. But believe me I would love it if the F1 won!
@TheRube216 There is no such thing as a racing trim Veyron because they were only built as limited production rich bitch cars. What you see is what you get with those. The F1 has a win under its belt. The engine in the F1 was specifically chosen because of its racing pedigree. BMW parts were used in tanks as well so I'm just saying the F1LM is very very well built.
@scoped98k I didn't mean actual racetrim. But if they would race a veyron around a track (racetrim) they probably wouldn't do it with the wing down. And ofcourse the engine in the F1 was built to take the degree of wear that comes from driving that way. But there's always a limit of everything and the Veyron doen't have to rev as much as the F1 to reach the necessary power which means fewer gearchanges and all that crap. I'm not arguing that the F1 is wellbuilt because it is just incredible.
@TheRube216 The F1 only has 6 gears vs the Veyron's 7 so the McLaren wears less and the extra cylinders mean more mechanical complexity. The Veyron has to shift more, wait for turbos to spool, the four driving wheels mean understeer and the weight inhibits braking and handling. The F1 clearly wins in braking and nimbleness. The quick reving engine/ low weight means it accelerates faster at one point or another. With out launch control the Veyron is a pathetic fail of a vehicle.
@scoped98k So true. The Veyron is missing the point. Just indeed, a technichal, all out technical, sledgehammer showcase. Lacks purity. Very well said my man
@toy200sx They say the Veyron would win only because it is top speed faster with loads of gadgets. It's like saying the F22 would win a dog fight vs the Su47 only because it carries up to the times technology. When in reality the Su47 turns faster in all directions and flys nearly as fast but just slower than the F22.
@scoped98k From your recent comments I feel that you are quite negative over the Bugatti... It's an amazing machine which proves the outer limits. A 1800kg car that can reach 252mph, that's an achievement in its own right. Don't take me wrong, The Mclaren is an amazing machine, and I would take it over the bugatti. But now technology has advanced, why not Bugatti use it to make a better car?
@96Ches You can make a boulder go 252mph or better but it's still a boulder. High technology doesn't equal good car. The problem with a Veyron is it is 1: ugly, 2: it has airbags and TCS 3: It took much much more technology just to make it a wee bit faster than the McLaren and then the Aero but still got out done by the TKR. Owning one to me is like giving me PS3 games and BluRay DVDs when I have an XBOX, totally useless. I like my cars like an Atari, well built and respected long lasting style.
@scoped98k You are not a true car fan until you appreciate a car like the Bugatti. Its people like you who are too arrogant to look at the good sides of any car that makes me disappointed. You have to admit that technology has advanced; and the Bugatti is faster. Yes, I PREFER the Mclaren! But Bugatti And Mclaren had different goals. Bugatti to be technical; Mclaren to be a driving machine. And on what we all think on how it looks is opinion. Second, it has airbags for a reason. And third...
@scoped98k Why are you comparing to video games? :P Look I know you prefer the Mclaren, its a good car and I would have it any day. But what Bugatti has done is what the likes of other car manufactures has failed. They went above and beyond in their work; and the car deserves to be appreciated by anyone.
@96Ches It is purely electronically assisted and the driver does nothing. I hate it when a computer with wheels gets a hell of a lot more praise for staight line speed only than a slightly antiquated super car that can still out preform it around the track and have twice the looks but still gets frowned upon because half the world doesn't think before they act saying the McLaren would lose because the AWD and 4 turbos in their opinion adds 2,000,000 horsepower giving it a warpdrive some how.
@scoped98k The F1 best qualities were its acceleration and being a drivers cars, but fast 'round a track? no, it was overpowered for its chassis and the suspension was too soft, It'll have trouble keeping up with a Z06 in a track.
The assisted part of the veyron is the launch, even then if we don't count the start the Veyron is much faster
@MikeBR92 I was talking about the F1LM around a track but obviously you guys are all gay for the Veyron so all you use is acceleration numbers to help your cause. I'm pretty sure a Z06 is no where near as powerful or as good handling as a mid engined race proven super car. Oh and you forgot to mention the pussy padding the Veyron has such as an automatic transmission, TCS, STM, and an extra gear. 4,000 some ought pounds is far from super. McLaren makes the better car as far as I'm concerned.
@scoped98k obviously I'll search trough comments 2-3 weeks old, the video is of the normal F1 not the F1 LM, how could I've know that you were talking about it? anyway the power still is too much for the chassis, if that was the case for the normal 627PS F1, it'll be worse for the 680PS F1 LM, and no, it wasn't based on the '95 GTR is only a F1 with more power and a wing, is not a race proven supercar, but you're right, the LM should be faster... I guess
@MikeBR92 The F1 GTR is the same design as the regular F1 and F1LM only a body kit was added that made the rear longer with some extra skirting and restrictors were added. The engine and all drivetrain components are racing sorced so a modest gain like that can be coped with.
@scoped98k but think about the engineering rather than the driving experience. Drivers should rather have the mclaren to have more fun driving it but at the same time the engineering achievement of making the veyron and the veyron ss is just as impressive imo
@TheZohaun McLaren has the better engineering if you think about it. It takes no turbos for its V12 to make a reasonable output. McLaren also gave the F1 3 seats which we all know is better than 2 from a people carrier viewpoint. Don't get angry, but the Veyron is a pile of shit from my pov. Over engineered, grossly overweight, ugly, and pussy padded. Thank God the TKR dethroned it. I am most comfortable driving a barebones pure car, no safety crumple zones, airbags, ABS or assists.
@IAMNOTAHUMANINC And never will. AMEN to that! It's more fun driving that Bugatti Shitrap in a video game than in real life and that says a lot because it drives like a pile of monkey shit on a Radio Flyer wagon with a gold watch strapped to it. As the old saying goes...You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig!
You don't own one either so who you calling a troll? TROLL!
@IAMNOTAHUMANINC No, look at the pricetag. It's just like when we ditched rockets that got us to the moon for a delta wing party bus called that space shuttle that can hardly leave or atmosphere. Sure it's fancy but that glitter on it does not make it better than anything else. I really don't care about lap times it put up using all the assists possible only to win by a few tenths of a second. Turn off those assists and the car is nothing but a rocket assisted cinderblock. In English, IT FAILS.
@scoped98k Hey it ain't trickin if you got it! No reason to hate on a car based on price tag. The Veyron may be ugly and big but it was designed for ultimate comfort at super high speeds. No car is more stable at high speeds. That is where all the engineering was spent! Veyron doesn't have crazy lap times like other cars it wasn't designed as a track car. Just for people who want to safely go fast and aren't necessarily race car drivers. Its a different market!
@scoped98k You must have no idea how hard it is to make a car go "a wee bit faster" when it is at that speed. And to do it with ultimate comfort. Just because it has turbos doesn't mean it has less better engineering. A turboed car with the same horsepower as a non turboed car will always have better gas mileage. It didn't "take" four turbos to give the v16 (not v12) that much power. This is a company that engineers cars you think they can't get 1000hp no turbos when a backyard hillbilly can?
@IAMNOTAHUMANINC Christ! LISTEN! With out turbo charging there would be a significant elephant shit sized drop in output. I don't see your turbo genius car getting better MPG than an EV which gets infinite MPG because it doesn't run on gas(boom goes the dynamite! ace in the hole). TKR is faster and cheaper so now you can SIT AND SPIN on that thought for a while. When the fuck did I say V12? Take that raging hard on and have sex with your boyfriend to relieve some stress so you can listen better.
The McLaren F1 is only beaten in top speed by cars with forced induction. Slap twin turbos on an F1 and you'd see how fast it would go.
VrOOm1337 4 hours ago
I STILL GO WITH THE MCLAREN ,MCLAREN ALL THE WAY....
cesar061605 14 hours ago
Thumbs up for Mclaren F1 and BMW for the car and powerful NATURALLY ASPIRATED ENGINE.
JamesMayTheStig 2 days ago
Sure this is a strait track with a gradual turn, now if you put this onto an actual F1 track the veyron would get a slower speed because it wasnt built for F1 racing while the Mclaren was build around that.
Janderson378 2 days ago
Mclaren F1 has so much more soul than the Bugatti Veyron
SubaruWRXtreme 1 week ago
McLAREN F1 BEST supercar EVER.
burns985 1 week ago 3
F1 is a legend no matter what... it dosent have a w12 engine let alone a W16 with quad turbos im sure any car you put 4 turbos in would be fast ass shit. The F1 is a marvel idc what anyone says.
moneydrivesmexd 1 week ago
thats my point its not a track day car, the LM is a track day car, that would be more like the vayron ss, the standard f1 is built for every day use aka a road car but to give the driver a f1 feel hence the lack of driving aids.and im not even bothered about comparing the two, all im saying is your statement about it being a track car is wrong. and its not like apples and chalk, they both have seats and a steering wheel so you can compare the two if you wish.
yido4life83 1 week ago
Bugatti= fast car....Mclaren= fast, legendary, iconic car. Not to mention Bugatti has 4 turbos, 1001 hp, and was build almost 20 years later!!! and still Mclaren manages to rape it!!! Also Bugatti handles like a donkey and it's not a race car!!!
nukeurhouse12 2 weeks ago
top gear shows mclaren to be fast over 400m but in fact they wrong. all ways knew that mclaren when the car out was 11.3 400m time ..bugatti is lot faster car, one reason why i don't like top gear they lair
reobarrt 3 weeks ago
@reobarrt This was my concern with this episode. They held it in such a hot, dry area. It put the turbocharged vehicle at a massive disadvantage. Conditions like that can reduce the power a turbocharged vehicle makes by up to 30%. Independant tests have shown that in ideal conditions the veyron runs a 10.8 400m ET. And everybody seems to be losing sight of one thing. The Mclaren is a purpose built track day car. The veyron is a grand tourer with heated seats ect. Its acheivement is amazing.
dvcelica 2 weeks ago
@dvcelica the f1 is not a purpose built race car, its a road car its not that good round a track, for that you introduce the LM or the long tail.the f1 has the worlds lightest cd changer the hide on the seats is 0.77mm thick the engineering on this car is just beyond anal, i mean what kind of track car would come with its own lugguage and GOLF set? Rons design brief was build me the ultimate road car i think they did what set out to.
yido4life83 2 weeks ago
@yido4life83 I stated its a purpose built track day car.. Big difference. Sure It has luggage compartments. But any drive to the *track-track it-drive home* vehicle needs to carry things like fuel, parts and tools. The F1 makes very few compremises for pure performance.The veyron on the other hand is a completely different beast, focusing first on comfort and luxury. Even comparing the 2 is like comparing apples and chalk. For a comparison at vehicles aimed at the same thing use the veyron SS
dvcelica 1 week ago
@reobarrt "While the F1 was quicker off the line and remained ahead until both cars were travelling at approximately 200 km/h, the Bugatti overtook its competitor from 200 to 300 km/h, and emerged the victor. Hammond has stated that he did not use the Veyron's launch control in order to make the race more interesting." - Quoted from Wikipedia.
rvind92g 1 day ago
NOOOOOOOOO, they gave a McLaren F1 to some japanese people... don't do this, please
Hasseta 3 weeks ago
@Hasseta Japanese people are good with cars, you don't have to worry, the fate of this car is in good hands :) This F1 looks like it belongs to a company though, not a private car.
rvind92g 1 day ago
buffering make me fate-up
MrSonic2202 3 weeks ago
20 years ago maclaren owned evrrything. for 20 years,.
and its an na with no fancy electrics. imagine that with 4 turbos, wholy fk talk aout a sledgehammer,.
jamie69alltime 1 month ago
y pensar que la mclaren F1 GT-R tiene mas potencia que la Mclaren f1, daria de todo por ver una gtr con el veyron =)
MAXCDE27 1 month ago
de tan emocionante que es politar un Mclaren que los conductores quedan emocionados por la sencasiòn de estar en una f1!!!!!
MAXCDE27 1 month ago
aiiaiii jajaja lool, pero el conductor no me convenciò sabian?
MAXCDE27 1 month ago
I guess when the car is going fast it doesn't look as ugly
gutterpunktarzan 1 month ago
BUGATTII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gabitox28 1 month ago
i hate how all people care is how fast a car is in straights. i don't care about drag racing or top speed at all damnit. show me lap times around a track. that's the ONLY way to really compare cars.
GraveUypo 1 month ago
@GraveUypo yea i agree with you...i care about handling,topseed and safety thats all i need..
TheMrbean97 1 month ago
The Mclaren is a REAL racing car built by a guy who has won every prize possible in the F1 arena.......16 YEARS AGO!! The Bugatti is a great car. Sadly it was just an experiment by VW. Each car costs in excess of $5m to build.
The Mclaren wins any competitions between the two simply because it has earned it.
AyeAreAy 1 month ago
@AyeAreAy not true. in the early days, vw was saying each veyron was costing 5 million to make but that's because they were exaggerating and assuming they wouldn't sell as many as they have. when they factored in the r & d costs, the first few veyrons may have cost them that much but the materials and labor definitely aren't 5 million for each veyron. the 5 million includes the r & d costs but that's a one time fee basically, they've sold 400 veyrons, trust me, they've made a profit
thnk4urself 1 month ago
My grandmother changes gears faster than this guy.
DramofArdbeg 1 month ago
@DramofArdbeg Changing gears on a Mclaren F1 is not easy as your everyday car.
edtk99 1 month ago 3
This is easy to split. If you are a poof who just wants to brag about what numbers your car can do in theory you get a veyron. If you are a driver who wants a car with excellent perfornace, sound and feel you buy the F1. This is a straight line test but the veyron can only top out in about 3 places in the world because it needs a very flat surface. The F1 can do it anywhere there's room. Also take stopping and turning. The veyron is a fat car made to seperate idiots and their money.
hunghuge12 2 months ago 3
the stupid veyron fans are proud that theyre car can beat a 90`s car...hah and when i say `beat` i mean `by a whisker`.....nothing beats f1...not even my beloved girlfriend.....
HANNIBAL30ro 2 months ago
:( teh buggati is broken
PKCHAMP3 2 months ago
TCS, DSG, ESP, ABS vs. NOTHING ... and in the mcl f1 you need something that in this high-tec cars you don't need --> BALLS ! ;)
Mocelet 2 months ago 37
@Mocelet Back in 1993, it was the first car to use a carbon fibre based shell. They had to change the law so you could sit directly int he middle making it the first production car to be able to do so. The engine bay is lined all in gold for conductivity purposes...and yet your comparing the two? The Mclaren F1 was an engineering feat in its day, the Bugatti simple shows us what we can do in current times. You cannot compare the two but simple admire them both for what they have done.
fa22raptor1 1 month ago
id kill to own both cars.ppl arguing over them makes no sense at all.the f1 was blisteringly fast but was spartan n felt more like a track car thats ready to bite ur nuts off at any given point of time (awesome).on the other hand the veyron is the fastest car but built to be more refined as its got a host of features and creature comforts available in a luxury saloon.bottom line one is always rabid the while the other is more stately quiet n calm (except when u put ur foot down on a straight).
fullmoontripper1 2 months ago
The McLaren is exciting the Bugatti is just plain dull.
moondog203 2 months ago
@moondog203 Hmm.. you've obviously never seen one in real life, I have and trust me, it's NOT dull. How can you say a car with acceleration like that is DULL?! Are you nuts?
Larry3200 2 months ago
bugatti is too quiet!!
bkboy747 3 months ago
mclaren is the best no faster
kaikePS 3 months ago
Bugatti is better in every way get over it haters.. I love mclaren f1 but its 2nd class
mgersey82 3 months ago
good job that guy in the green race suit is sat in the middle his balls must need a seat each side hes doing about 200mph feet from that wall on a steep bank in sum ones 2mil car lol fuck that !!
TheCraigy83 3 months ago
4:15 "OLHA AÍ!!!"
puremadnessman 3 months ago
Any1 want number plate F1 LDN get back to me..
KSHAY9 4 months ago
the bugatti sounds like aeroplane sial :eek:
hoosdathu 4 months ago
Driver of McLaren is N. Hattori, did you read it?
NINJA HATTORI
carboned4 4 months ago
why do ppl compare these 2 cars so much...apart from top end speed they really dont have much in common..the MF1 is simply pure...look at the seating position..the VW was inspired by a drunk nite out when the boss of VW wanted to build a 1000hp car...the top speed was the result not the inspiration..
buckncowboy 4 months ago
i own a bugatti :D
Sboy734 4 months ago
@Sboy734 The toy car model?
godsadog 4 months ago 3
Bugatti is faster ! ! !
FanatecSystem 5 months ago
the interior of Bugatti sucks(almost like mazda miata) and same is with front mask(extremelly poor). Overall performance as well as general look, however, are truly impressive.
stallaris 5 months ago
Also it has four turbos to eliminate all the turbo lag!!!
IAMNOTAHUMANINC 5 months ago
4:14, HAWYAYYYYYYYY !!!
freedomsoldier187 5 months ago
McLaren F1 > Bugatti Veyron, period
medjaiii 5 months ago
3:00 song its from Ludwig van Beethoven's 9'n symphony :D
19920307alex 5 months ago
but can either one of these cars get 1.21 giga watts???
lazy1d 5 months ago
maybe numbnuts should have turned off his hazard lights
speedgazelle 5 months ago
This reminds of the japanese duo in the movie Canonball Run. lol
pikeucf 5 months ago
the bugatti weights 700kg (!!!) more than the F1. that is impressive.
the main fact is, that german engineering is the best of the world
fopperer 5 months ago
@fopperer
The F1 engine was made by BMW anyway. ;)
Corbon440 5 months ago
@Corbon440 thats why i said that ;)
fopperer 5 months ago
@fopperer i am not sure what you are getting at here? The McLaren is British and the Bugatti is French, so what car are you talking about?
rafferty1234 5 months ago
unless you are talking about the McLaren's engine, which is German (BMW)
rafferty1234 5 months ago
@rafferty1234 thats why i said german engineering and not german cars ;-)
fopperer 5 months ago
the veyron SS is a piece of shit.
It has 2x the hp of mclaren f1, yet the 1/4 mile is only 1s less at 10mph faster (10.1 @ 148mph vs 11.1 @ 138mph, )
, and the km is only 1.5s less and 6mph faster (18.0s @ 183mph vs 19.5s @ 177mph), both autocar tests. LOL!
Tuner cars with 200hp less can do 1/4 in less than 9s and km in less than 17.
ASSHOLELA 5 months ago
Well, the McLaren F1 still holds the record for being the fastest car with a naturally-aspirated engine. It's a legend. I shall bow to Murray and Stevens.
L0CH4N4 5 months ago
The F1 is going a lot faster than the Veyron when its banking around those long turns. The lane strips are flying past.
prod1gy3000 5 months ago
i think mclaren should bring out a newschool mclaren f1...long live the legend but bugatti don't deserve the title over mclaren, it's had YEARS to refine everything now, try giving Mclaren that time too and see what they come out with!
TimQuint72 5 months ago
Drag racing is no real test put them on a race track and compare lap times...
PWRex 6 months ago
The McLaren got the spirit of the `70` and looks so beautiful like a Porsche 917 or a Ford Group or other racingcars from the past ! Veyron got more power but its a clumsy packet without shape and grace ! I rather like to be SPIDERMAN than the HULK !
sincityracer1 6 months ago
how much does bugatti weight in comparison though ?
partypie1977 6 months ago
can someone translate the result of 0-1000m? thank you
LEGOFFMARTINEAU 6 months ago
i hate people arguing about cars they dont own... pointless as hell
stepxunit 6 months ago 70
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@stepxunit the same to arguing about people you dont know
gasteinerboy 6 months ago
@stepxunit youre right
KiLLeRxxBuNNy 6 months ago
@stepxunit
Yeah, and most of them are just kids (or worse, overgrown kids of adults) who think they know everything because they have driven them in some videogame or just compare simple stats. Usually they compare apples with oranges shamelessly.
Metallicakicksbutt 5 months ago
@stepxunit
I'll drive a M6 Soon, i like it ;)
matthulen 5 months ago
@matthulen Yea right.. your what ? 16 years old looking at your video.. and you will buy a 120.000 'euros' car
stepxunit 5 months ago
@stepxunit
-.- you don't believe? im gona be 17 in december. my dad has a BMW garage so don't F**k with it okey?
matthulen 5 months ago
@stepxunit i have the Hot Wheels version of both, so i am comfortable weighing in.
lvgordo 5 months ago
@stepxunit it´s called passion, i don´t like to argue but when you like something and have certain knowledge, you talk, discuss, and sometimes argue about it because that´s what you like.
markoloko1000 5 months ago
@markoloko1000 Passion or not... they never driven those cars.. im 99,99% sure... so you cant judge just on video's and specs.. :P but thats my opinion.. you can't have all knowledge if never driven or seen to the bone you know
stepxunit 5 months ago
@stepxunit argueing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. even if you win, your still retarded
dvcelica 4 months ago 42
@dvcelica Learn how to spell, idiot. Yes, you're retarded............
brin3535 4 months ago
@dvcelica Yeah and repeating someone else's comments is like cheating in the special olympics. Win or lose you're still retarded and a cunt.
hunghuge12 2 weeks ago
@stepxunit Dude the most powerful machines on the planet there's only like 10 o f each ever made anyway banning people from talking about it is pointless that's like saying your not god so you cant talk about Christianity or that your not a f1 driver so you cant compare f1 teams let people loose and stop being so boring.
MrFlapjack247 3 months ago
@MrFlapjack247 i dont say you CANT talk about it.. but people talk like they KNOW how it drives IRL.. how it feels.. how this.. how that... i think its stupid
stepxunit 3 months ago
Japan are good at driving
Gcorme 6 months ago
See how the (Japanese?) guy in the Mclaren isn't wearing a helmet?
IwillBwaiting 6 months ago
Mclaren F1 is still the worlds fastest normally aspirated car
SSC3034 6 months ago
@SSC3034
Yes, it's amazing it still holds the record after almost 20 years. It proves how ahead of time it really was.
AlexDeLarge90 6 months ago
the mclaren F1 used to be the fastest now its the bugatti
MJKava14 6 months ago
the mclaren is better thanthe bugatti because it has no forced induction has 4 less cylinders and is 15 years behind in tire technology, transmission development, and carbon fiber development yet it still holds its own against the bugatti
UmerKaiser100 6 months ago 42
@UmerKaiser100 The Bugatti is more stable.
IAMNOTAHUMANINC 5 months ago
@UmerKaiser100 your rite mate 15 year old car but can u amagein the same F1 of then , but built today it be much better with the technoligy we have today . i dont like the veyron it has a 2nd key u have to use just to get you at its top spead . the F1 ant got dat haha its just RAW british power well most of its british part from the bmw engine haha.
petewasere2000 5 months ago
@UmerKaiser100 The Bugatti is better than the McLaren because it has 4 turbos, 16 cylinders and is decades ahead in safety, stability, comfort and and despite its weight (2000kg vs 1100kg) still demolishes the McLaren.
Corbon440 5 months ago
@UmerKaiser100 older technology doesnt make it better..
its still an amazing car.. but guess what.. its not better.
FnkDctr 4 months ago
@UmerKaiser100 mclaren is entire made from carbon fiber
3dule 4 months ago
@3dule don't forget gold also for the engine bay
fullmoontripper1 2 months ago
@fullmoontripper1 i meant the body
3dule 2 months ago
@UmerKaiser100 this is for speed not qualty
onmyswagg23pivotman 3 months ago
the fact the the McLaren was developed in the 80s and 90s and the Bugatti was made came around in 2005, 14 YEARS laters, proves the McLaren is better.
Its like a video I saw of a Viper beating an AE86 in a drift contest......and the Viper owner was bragging about it......obviously the AE86 is better, its fucking 25 YEARS OLD!!!
My points is that anyone saying the Bugatti is better is stupid, is competing against a car that is pushing 20 years old. Stop bragging!!
Yahwehsninja 6 months ago
@Yahwehsninja You're a morn and have no idea what you're talking about. I think you better go back and educate yourself on the two auto makers and get back with us here on earth.
ZrOvSbLtY 6 months ago
@ZrOvSbLtY obviously you are a moron cause you can't spell lol
Yahwehsninja 6 months ago
@ZrOvSbLtY Oh boy I missed a key with my big ass fingers. It's better than having no knowledge as to what I am currently discussing. Oh and it's BECAUSE dumb ass not cause. A cause is a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition. There you go. No keys missed that time, MORON!
ZrOvSbLtY 2 months ago
@Yahwehsninja yeah mclaren is impressive for such a old car but the bugattie is more impressive because ithas much more things in it like radio, gps, airco ... and its around 2000 kg so thats very heavy for a sports car. And still the bugatti is very fast.
x6land 6 months ago
@x6land no gps in a bugatti and mclaren had the lightest sound system ever made in it when launched
UmerKaiser100 6 months ago
LOL ...you fucking internet trolls bitching @ each other over what car is better? None of you could even afford the fucking nuts holding the wheels on these cars!!! So SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! AND GO BACK TO YOUR VIDEO GAMES IN YO MOMMAS BASEMENT!!!
WSD333 6 months ago
@WSD333 dude.....you are on youtube too.....probably on your moms computer in her basement lol
Yahwehsninja 6 months ago
Nadie puede kon el Veyron!!
MrJorgitusMaximus 6 months ago
how do you know the mclaren is more fun what do you drive the veyron would wipe the pavement with mclaren
irobot2009able 6 months ago
@irobot2009able because the mclaren is a sportscar, the veyron more of a gran turismo. How much fun is it to drive around corners with about 4000pounds
aintnopity 6 months ago
6:55 see you !
vUnikkatil1996 6 months ago
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vUnikkatil1996 6 months ago
Gotta love the 240p vids
neumei626 6 months ago
The only thing mclaren needs to do to beat the bugatti's 253mph record is to wheel out their 691hp LM spec version, sans wing and HDF, onto ehra lessein.
ASSHOLELA 6 months ago
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ASSHOLELA 6 months ago
problem is that f1 mclaren on race track would rape bugati veyron ass
Alkaidapx 6 months ago
mclaren f1 is so ugly
damivoietube 6 months ago
If you've ever sat in a Bugatti, it sounds like a rocket hahaha
shaynaslovesable 6 months ago
@harveer97 best car ever made? my hairy rear end it is. I would take take the Mclaren over the Bugatti anyday. first off, the bugatti is just plain ugly, as compared to the asthetically appealing and lovable mclaren. not to mention the mclaren sounds so much better. but since i cant cant have a mclaren, i'll take a ligenfelter corvette. now that is one of the best cars ever made.
SmokeyAndTheBud 7 months ago
mclaren ftw!
metallist23 7 months ago
Bugatti <3
TheMarc7050 7 months ago
2:03
- EVERY TRIED JACK IN THE BOX!?
- NO, I HAVENT
- TRY IT, SERIOUSLY IT'S GOOD
- I WILL THEN
just the normal chat in the car, but just at 200 mph...
GTSRyan 7 months ago
well seeing how there was only 2 mclaren f1's in the world because they were to fucking fast i think it would stomp the buggati veyron
XxShOtSfRoMaBoV3xX 7 months ago
@XxShOtSfRoMaBoV3xX care to elaborate?
dyyb928 7 months ago
Engineering: the Veyron blows away all street cars ever made. Nothing comes close, full stop.
Total package: the Veyron is probably the most impressive. Lots of cars are fast, but no other car is THAT fast AND that easy to drive AND that luxurious AND that well made etc.
Versatility: hard to say; the McLaren has better visibility and more interior space but the Veyron should be easier to drive in adverse conditions.
Fun: it seems lots of cars have the Veyron beat.
Pick your poison!
d00df00d 7 months ago
Ultimately, both of these cars are really expensive, and really fast. Obviously, the Bugatti is faster, but I still give more credit to the guys at McLaren for being able to produce the world's first super-supercar...granted it was a process, but I think the F1 changed the game entirely when it comes to performance...we can thank the McLaren for cars like the Veyron even existing.
EyeKanSpel 7 months ago
(1995 Lemans winner was an F1 GTR) I'm guessing Tippotipo is mentally challenged because any person with a sound mind knows a Veyron is too heavy to pose a serious threat other than on straightways. If I seem to remember correctly the Veyron also goes through a tank at full throttle in 13minutes which means one pit stop every four laps. Having 7 gears means you'll have to shift more often as well. N/A BMW V12 versus W16 quad turbo. It's a no brainer reliability wise.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k
You ask for challenge?You got it. Engine wise, quad turbo W16 is more reliable having already accumulated 500,000 km. Each Veyron have already 500 km at their counter before delivery. As for fuel consumption both F1 LM and Veyron are even, Veyron empty in 13 minutes at its top speed, same apply to most race cars/supercars. Have you forgotten that former McLaren F1 designer was surprised by Veyron handling despite its weight, a Formula One car has 7 gears? You haven
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo Uhm....no. Fuel consumption is less in the V12 McLaren considering it is lighter, has a smaller displacement and less drive wheels to propel. Comparing just highway and city mpg avg you can easily tell there would be a considerable difference in 1v1 racing. The F1 gets 15.3mpg and the Veyron gets 13mpg. You can't honestly say weight isn't a factor. In your logic a 911RSR would get smoked by a Mercedes E class. Yes, the E class AMG is faster but it will get smoked on winding, roads.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k
Which F1 do you refer, the LM or the regular? Veyron fuel consumption is a russian roulette, it varies from 13 to 15 mpg as tested by EPA, the highest was 18 mpg in Connecticut (USA) by local car reviewers on highway which is amazing considering the engine size. It has a lot do with the way to drive. Are you comparing the race car (911 RSR) with a road car (E class AMG)? More drive wheels (AWD) are actually better, they are banned from most racing league for "unfair advantage".
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo Did you mean unfair as in unfair to the drivers that get stuck behind this slow turning truck on corners? Notice how the McLaren guy said good handling for its size. That means it handles well...... for a truck :P 18mpg hypermiling is pretty horrid. Just admit it, the F1 in any form gets better mpg and is more reliable. FYI: BMW made airplane engines before it turned to automobiles so the engine itself in the F1 is very sound.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k
Tell that to Audi and Nissan that dominated then were forced to not use AWD in racing league. You contradicted yourself when I pointed out Veyron can have better fuel consumption (18 mpg) than F1 (15 mpg) with proper driving hence even for both to be fair. Both are supercars so mpg is irrelevant. You still did not prove why a BMW-M V12 engine is more reliable than Quad-turbo W16 engine. There is no comparison because the latter is more advanced.
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo I never contradicted myself. I gave the averages in fuel consumption and I had no doubt the McLaren was better on gas. 4wd gives a 0-60 and initial acceleration advantage but other wise it lacks. Wider wheels can't be turned very far in 1 direction before they contact the inside of the wheel well which means the turning arc is wider. UNDERSTEER, that's what all front wheel and awd cars get. The grip you speak of is not the handling characteristic of which I am talking about.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k You should take account of the driving style in equation, for that reason fuel consumption both McLaren F1 and Veyron are even. What does awd (not the traditional 4wd) lack otherwise? It appears you are confusing awd with traditional 4wd. The former is more advanced because it can switch to either fwd or rwd depending of the condition as demonstrated by Audi Quattro and Nissan GTR (and previously Skyline GT-R). For those reasons, awd are banned from most racing leaque.
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo awd and 4wd are the same thing on 4 wheeled vehicles. BOTH can be switch mode and BOTH drive all four wheels unless you mean awd as in all wheel drive at all times with an electronic power distribution program. Your math doesn't add up either. 4162 lb vehicle with a W16 awd getting better mpg than a rwd with only 12 cylinders and a smaller displacement weighing in at 2341lbs. The RWD BMW M3 still out performs the equivalent AWD Audi.
scoped98k 7 months ago
F1LM vs Bugatti Veyron around Circuit De La Sarthe in a 24 hour race would be a no contest win for McLaren. I agree, the McLaren is better sounding and more fun to drive. The BMW M Power V12 in the McLaren means it has already won reliability wise and lower weight with rear wheel drive means the F1 will also win the turning battle.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k
Circuit De La Sarthe? McLaren F1 LM (slower than regular F1) would have no chance at that track against Bugatti Veyron should they duel in 24 hour race. Quad Turbo W16 engine was designed to handle its power and torque in reliable way (proven with 500,000+ km on its counter with only routine check). AWD give Veyron advantages of grip.
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo I don't think AWD is allowed in any kind of official racing. Just don't quote me on it.
TheRube216 7 months ago
@TheRube216
I am aware of that, Veyron would not be allowed in ACO due to its engine as well and its component. AWD is allowed in rally racing though. I assumed the poster mentioned in term of production cars in possible fictional scenario. My point still stands that McLaren F1 LM would not stand a chance against a road car like Veyron designed for reliability purpose.
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo That's probably true but the F1 LM won its class in LM, right? Don't quote me on that either cuz I can't remember for sure right now so it's obviously reliable enough. Still the Veyron is a truly remarkable piece of engineering.
TheRube216 7 months ago
@TheRube216
F1 LM never raced in LM (LeMans), F1 GTR (which LM is based from) did. The answer was for scoped98k's claim that BMW-M V12 is more reliable than Quad-turbo W16 engine. In their stock configuration, the reserve is true.
Tippotipo 7 months ago
@Tippotipo Oh right! I was way out in that case. Sorry. And no, the W16 is probably way more reliable. No arguing there. I misunderstood the whole argument.
TheRube216 7 months ago
@TheRube216 McLaren took the over all win. So I can't figure out why Tippotipo says the Gayron would be more reliable in such a race than a proven race car with a very reliable proven BMW racing engine. The GTR won 1995 LeMans but the F1LM is basically the same design with a shorter rear.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k I think I've misunderstood the whole argument from the start so I won't take sides here. I believe (See: "Hope because it's my absolute favourite car ever") that the F1 GTR would win if they raced in 24h of LM. But if we're talking about F1 LM I really don't know how much the engine would take considering the removals of restrictions. But seriously guys: This video is about the standard F1 (the original of the best IMO) and the Veyron. There will be twists in opinions. Deal with it.
TheRube216 7 months ago
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scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k I have seen the handling of the Veyron and I'm aware of how heavy it is. But it's still the faster of the two in both speed and acceleration so it will definetaly be faster along the back straight than the F1 even if it (Bug) don't have the wing down which it probably won't in racetrim. And considering the twisty sectors towards the end of the lap still contains quite alot of fast straightisch bits the F1 would probably have a rough time. But believe me I would love it if the F1 won!
TheRube216 7 months ago
@TheRube216 There is no such thing as a racing trim Veyron because they were only built as limited production rich bitch cars. What you see is what you get with those. The F1 has a win under its belt. The engine in the F1 was specifically chosen because of its racing pedigree. BMW parts were used in tanks as well so I'm just saying the F1LM is very very well built.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k I didn't mean actual racetrim. But if they would race a veyron around a track (racetrim) they probably wouldn't do it with the wing down. And ofcourse the engine in the F1 was built to take the degree of wear that comes from driving that way. But there's always a limit of everything and the Veyron doen't have to rev as much as the F1 to reach the necessary power which means fewer gearchanges and all that crap. I'm not arguing that the F1 is wellbuilt because it is just incredible.
TheRube216 7 months ago
@TheRube216 The F1 only has 6 gears vs the Veyron's 7 so the McLaren wears less and the extra cylinders mean more mechanical complexity. The Veyron has to shift more, wait for turbos to spool, the four driving wheels mean understeer and the weight inhibits braking and handling. The F1 clearly wins in braking and nimbleness. The quick reving engine/ low weight means it accelerates faster at one point or another. With out launch control the Veyron is a pathetic fail of a vehicle.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k So true. The Veyron is missing the point. Just indeed, a technichal, all out technical, sledgehammer showcase. Lacks purity. Very well said my man
toy200sx 7 months ago
@toy200sx They say the Veyron would win only because it is top speed faster with loads of gadgets. It's like saying the F22 would win a dog fight vs the Su47 only because it carries up to the times technology. When in reality the Su47 turns faster in all directions and flys nearly as fast but just slower than the F22.
scoped98k 7 months ago
@scoped98k From your recent comments I feel that you are quite negative over the Bugatti... It's an amazing machine which proves the outer limits. A 1800kg car that can reach 252mph, that's an achievement in its own right. Don't take me wrong, The Mclaren is an amazing machine, and I would take it over the bugatti. But now technology has advanced, why not Bugatti use it to make a better car?
96Ches 7 months ago
@96Ches You can make a boulder go 252mph or better but it's still a boulder. High technology doesn't equal good car. The problem with a Veyron is it is 1: ugly, 2: it has airbags and TCS 3: It took much much more technology just to make it a wee bit faster than the McLaren and then the Aero but still got out done by the TKR. Owning one to me is like giving me PS3 games and BluRay DVDs when I have an XBOX, totally useless. I like my cars like an Atari, well built and respected long lasting style.
scoped98k 6 months ago
@scoped98k You are not a true car fan until you appreciate a car like the Bugatti. Its people like you who are too arrogant to look at the good sides of any car that makes me disappointed. You have to admit that technology has advanced; and the Bugatti is faster. Yes, I PREFER the Mclaren! But Bugatti And Mclaren had different goals. Bugatti to be technical; Mclaren to be a driving machine. And on what we all think on how it looks is opinion. Second, it has airbags for a reason. And third...
96Ches 6 months ago
@scoped98k Why are you comparing to video games? :P Look I know you prefer the Mclaren, its a good car and I would have it any day. But what Bugatti has done is what the likes of other car manufactures has failed. They went above and beyond in their work; and the car deserves to be appreciated by anyone.
96Ches 6 months ago
@96Ches ....anyone......... except me.
scoped98k 6 months ago
@scoped98k Why do you solely hate it with a passion? Im not saying you are wrong, you are entitled your own opinion, im just curious?
96Ches 6 months ago
@96Ches It is purely electronically assisted and the driver does nothing. I hate it when a computer with wheels gets a hell of a lot more praise for staight line speed only than a slightly antiquated super car that can still out preform it around the track and have twice the looks but still gets frowned upon because half the world doesn't think before they act saying the McLaren would lose because the AWD and 4 turbos in their opinion adds 2,000,000 horsepower giving it a warpdrive some how.
scoped98k 6 months ago
@scoped98k The F1 best qualities were its acceleration and being a drivers cars, but fast 'round a track? no, it was overpowered for its chassis and the suspension was too soft, It'll have trouble keeping up with a Z06 in a track.
The assisted part of the veyron is the launch, even then if we don't count the start the Veyron is much faster
100-200 km/h Veyron= 4.8s vs F1= 6.1s
200-300 km/h Veyron= 9.4s vs F1= 13.0s
MikeBR92 6 months ago
@MikeBR92 I was talking about the F1LM around a track but obviously you guys are all gay for the Veyron so all you use is acceleration numbers to help your cause. I'm pretty sure a Z06 is no where near as powerful or as good handling as a mid engined race proven super car. Oh and you forgot to mention the pussy padding the Veyron has such as an automatic transmission, TCS, STM, and an extra gear. 4,000 some ought pounds is far from super. McLaren makes the better car as far as I'm concerned.
scoped98k 6 months ago
@scoped98k obviously I'll search trough comments 2-3 weeks old, the video is of the normal F1 not the F1 LM, how could I've know that you were talking about it? anyway the power still is too much for the chassis, if that was the case for the normal 627PS F1, it'll be worse for the 680PS F1 LM, and no, it wasn't based on the '95 GTR is only a F1 with more power and a wing, is not a race proven supercar, but you're right, the LM should be faster... I guess
MikeBR92 6 months ago
@MikeBR92 The F1 GTR is the same design as the regular F1 and F1LM only a body kit was added that made the rear longer with some extra skirting and restrictors were added. The engine and all drivetrain components are racing sorced so a modest gain like that can be coped with.
scoped98k 6 months ago
@MikeBR92
in 2nd-3rd gear mclaren f1 100 (3.2)-160 (6.2) kmh is 3.0s plus a 0.5s shift. Veyron is also (5.5 - 2.5) 3.0s.
in 4th gear mclaren 200-240kmh (12.8- 9.4) 3.2s, veyron (10.5 -7.3) 3.2s.
If the mclaren shifts as fast as veyron it would have no trouble keeping up.
ASSHOLELA 6 months ago
@scoped98k but think about the engineering rather than the driving experience. Drivers should rather have the mclaren to have more fun driving it but at the same time the engineering achievement of making the veyron and the veyron ss is just as impressive imo
TheZohaun 6 months ago
@TheZohaun McLaren has the better engineering if you think about it. It takes no turbos for its V12 to make a reasonable output. McLaren also gave the F1 3 seats which we all know is better than 2 from a people carrier viewpoint. Don't get angry, but the Veyron is a pile of shit from my pov. Over engineered, grossly overweight, ugly, and pussy padded. Thank God the TKR dethroned it. I am most comfortable driving a barebones pure car, no safety crumple zones, airbags, ABS or assists.
scoped98k 5 months ago
@scoped98k the veyron ss hasnt been dethroned by anything. top speed it is the fastest
TheZohaun 5 months ago
@scoped98k STFU troll you don't even have a car!
IAMNOTAHUMANINC 5 months ago
@IAMNOTAHUMANINC And never will. AMEN to that! It's more fun driving that Bugatti Shitrap in a video game than in real life and that says a lot because it drives like a pile of monkey shit on a Radio Flyer wagon with a gold watch strapped to it. As the old saying goes...You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig!
You don't own one either so who you calling a troll? TROLL!
scoped98k 5 months ago
@scoped98k Its not that bad for how big of a car it is look at lap times. Have you driven that "piece of shit"?
IAMNOTAHUMANINC 5 months ago
@IAMNOTAHUMANINC No, look at the pricetag. It's just like when we ditched rockets that got us to the moon for a delta wing party bus called that space shuttle that can hardly leave or atmosphere. Sure it's fancy but that glitter on it does not make it better than anything else. I really don't care about lap times it put up using all the assists possible only to win by a few tenths of a second. Turn off those assists and the car is nothing but a rocket assisted cinderblock. In English, IT FAILS.
scoped98k 5 months ago
@scoped98k Hey it ain't trickin if you got it! No reason to hate on a car based on price tag. The Veyron may be ugly and big but it was designed for ultimate comfort at super high speeds. No car is more stable at high speeds. That is where all the engineering was spent! Veyron doesn't have crazy lap times like other cars it wasn't designed as a track car. Just for people who want to safely go fast and aren't necessarily race car drivers. Its a different market!
IAMNOTAHUMANINC 5 months ago
@scoped98k You must have no idea how hard it is to make a car go "a wee bit faster" when it is at that speed. And to do it with ultimate comfort. Just because it has turbos doesn't mean it has less better engineering. A turboed car with the same horsepower as a non turboed car will always have better gas mileage. It didn't "take" four turbos to give the v16 (not v12) that much power. This is a company that engineers cars you think they can't get 1000hp no turbos when a backyard hillbilly can?
IAMNOTAHUMANINC 5 months ago
@IAMNOTAHUMANINC Christ! LISTEN! With out turbo charging there would be a significant elephant shit sized drop in output. I don't see your turbo genius car getting better MPG than an EV which gets infinite MPG because it doesn't run on gas(boom goes the dynamite! ace in the hole). TKR is faster and cheaper so now you can SIT AND SPIN on that thought for a while. When the fuck did I say V12? Take that raging hard on and have sex with your boyfriend to relieve some stress so you can listen better.
scoped98k 5 months ago