Air Crash Investigation - Phantom Strike/ Death Over The Amazon/ Radio Silence (S05E10)

[sunnchilde]

Son of a bitch. You should never be able to disable TCAS. No matter what. That should be failsafe. No matter what, if you're in the air, TCAS should be working.

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

(6)..in time?The discrepancy would be such that if 370 was the PLANNED,then what wouldthe ACTUAL be?360?However,again,as i had mentioned,the legacy's pilots were WELL PAST BRASILIA from the original point, SAO JOSE,AT EXACTLY 370,but the pilots DID NOT MENTION being at 360 AT ALL.

In summary,i have evaluated a conclusive evidence for that of poor judgements,gross misconduct or great incompetency by the ATCs and thus have reasonable doubts that they were even victms at all.

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

(5)..Even if the ATCs had only a few seconds, they had sufficient/ample time to CHECK THE RADAR AND WARN THE pilots,yet sadly,they did not.

Long story short,if the ATCs had checked the radar while verifying with legacy,there would bea discrepancy as i had mentioned earlier on that the ATCs thought PLANNED=ACTUAL,370=360.

For example,if legacy's pilots hd been flying at 370 well PAST BRASILIA,then my friend,would u think that the ATCs not have corrected/rectified the mistakes.(6)

[icemachine79]

@askdonhaifeast2122 I agree. What did ATC think the second number listed on the screen was for anyway? Their training was awful. I don't think the Air Force shouldn't run civilian ATC, especially in peace time.

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

(4)..that tey should descend.If the legacy did make contact with ATCs,the ATCs themselves should already have noted the problem and immediately notify legacy AT ONCE should they establish communications.However,the TONE of te ATC sounded calm an rational when contacted,which meant the ATCs were TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS/IGNORANT to the situation( 370 Z 360).But IN ACTUAL FACT,thy should be FRANTIC AS HELL,SHOUTING OVER THE RADIO,WARNING legacy to descend dueto possible collison any moment..(5)

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

(3)..statements was in contradiction to the radar.

U might think the ATCs andlegacy could not establsh radio communication thus the collision but the pilots in legacy DID IN FACT, managed to establish communication with ATCs PAST BRASILIA minutes b4 collision.To be precise,it was an hour later b4 legacy FINALLY made contact with ATC and during that 1hour period,legacy HAD PAST BRASLIA yet te ATCs,WITHIN that hour period,DID NOT HAVE ANY ATTEMPTS OR WHTSOEVER made to legacy..(4)

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

(2)..plane was solely on 3.700 feets the entire journey till collison with GOL.

Furthermore,what is worrying was the fact that after the pilots from legacy HAD ALREADY CONFIRMED with ATC that they would be flyng ALL THE WAY TO M.A.N.A.U.S at 3.700 feets(25:32),not only dd the ATCs CONCURRED(and let ne remind you sir,that pilots in legacy were FORBIDDENED to change altitudes unless instructed),they were furthermore unaware nor even had the slightest idea that the pilots'..(3)

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

(1)...below GOL,as appears on radar.However,that was not the case.

The problem started as the ATC thought legacy,PLANNED=ACTUAL,370=360,­but in actual fact,it was otherwise.ACTUAL=PLANNED,370=3­60.You might think the ATC forgot/misunderstood but if they were competent then they could at the very least verify with the pilots on legacy.Instead, ATC told the pilots to maintain at 370 do not descend(25:38)

This was also proven as we can see from legacy's flight data that the(2)

[askdonhaifeast2122]

@lb8068

I agree completely with Bozewani and thus i strongly feel that both of ur statements are unjustified.

I applaud u for 4 thinking being an ATC is not easy n especially in the show those poor ATCs over-worked and had shortages of manpower.However,i would like to quote"they certainly weren't incompetent"in ur statement.

My friend,the ATCs were defintely incompetent.During the investigation,it was stated clearly that legacy jet should be precisely 3.600 feets, 1.000 feets.(1)

[ThePilot1598]

This was a great documentary, however, the 737 was rolling in the wrong direction in the scene where it breaks up at 23:07.

[pawelgatorade]

@ThePilot1598 im not the pilot but i think you are right ,side with wing should be raising plane causing rotation :)

[ThePilot1598]

@pawelgatorade Correct. the damaged wing would stall. it showed that correctly from the cabin view. they also made that mistake with Saudi Arabian flight 763's final moments.

[lb8068]

@Bozewani It was an amalgamation of everybody's own human error. The pilots and the ATCs. And they got charged for manslaughter anyway, so what are you complaining about?

[lb8068]

@Bozewani Bro, it was an accident. It's not like they deliberately went out and killed 160 people. Being an ATC is not easy and accidents do happen, unfortunately. They certainly weren't incompetent.

[Bozewani]

why are they trying to make the controllers not liable?

They committed a crime, 160 people died under the tired eyes, incompetance, malfeasance and they should be punished. They should be some code in Brazil to punish people for this

[jithization]

R.I.P 

[normanjtongmd]

Use newer technology using radar, GPS, Google Earth to provide pilots with a display showing oncoming aircraft and MOUNTAINS well in advance of their position, rather than warning lights and terse verbal messages that provide only limited situational awarenss.

[uxmannen]

From inside the windows appear very circular but when viewed from the wing they would best be described as square shaped... :-P

[patrickmollette15]

the scariest video of ACI ever.

[bernardkay93]

@GaboAyalaS the ATC radar is uses a simpler mechanism, it fires a pulse and the pulse is reflected by the plane. so no TCAS is required. However, I don't understand why the pilots don't get charged for turning off the TCAS...

[katenotkatie87]

44:57 who actually reads that way? Anyway. How incredibly unfortunate is this?! 20 feet to their right and the Legacy would've cleared the 737.. :( RIP guys

[TheSkete]

Was that a good choice of words at the end when he said "It's maiden voyage was CUT SHORT."?

[GaboAyalaS]

How com TCAS was not operational due to the standby mode of the transponder but the ATC radar did get the signal?

[MRIFAILATCOD]

what i dont get is why there is an option to turn such a safety function off at all

[CamShaft200]

@MRIFAILATCOD @MRIFAILATCOD

well, what was turned off was the transponder. When an aircraft is on the ground they are supposed to set their transponders to standby mode, otherwise the controllers screens would have a massive crowd of dots (planes) all clustered in one location (the airport). So pilots only turn on transponders when they line up with the runway before take off and then turn them off again once the pull off the runway for landing.

[Phibriglex]

@MRIFAILATCOD It's for tactical insertion of VIP into foreign countries.

[comoqueyaesta]

Its just lies how can be possible a small plane wing can cut trough a comercial plane wing with only having a wingtip damage.if u bought it u are an ignorant

[monkeyboy85]

@comoqueyaesta It's explained in the episode....massive closing speed. Ironically you're ignorant for failing to pick up on that.

[NickIranii]

I don't get it, why is it possible to turn off the transponder?

[zuper1412]

there should ave been a warning sound if the aircraft is damaged!!!!

[fawii]

1- ATC must respond to N600XL

2- The N600XL pilots are supposed to be trained more about the brand new Embraer

[rinierax]

After all we cannot go against human nature, forgetting things, making mistakes etc. That's what we do (despite the fact that many were killed in the crash)

[upaste]

this tragic accident would likely have been avoided if there was a warning sound that the transponder and/or TCAS was OFF.

[edvardsoz]

that is not 737!

[sasukeAMVcreator]

Why didn't they show the Gol flight events?

[Nanjenchan]

@sasukeAMVcreator Because there was nothing to show before the sudden crash, they were flying perfectly according to plan, unlike the Legacy... Also, as it's an American show, it's a little biased in favor of their people. :/

[icemachine79]

@Nanjenchan First of all the Legacy was flying according to the last ATC altitude instruction given which always supersedes a flight plan. Secondly this isn't an American show; it is Canadian.

I've listed to the CVR tapes from both planes and neither crew made any mistakes. The Legacy's pilots tried to contact ATC several times after passing Brasília. It's not their fault that Brazil has badly trained air traffic controllers and a poor communications infrastructure in Amazônia.

[applesweeter]

I never knew that the transponseis so importnat for safety on jets.

[thefinalfrontier1701]

Sure, always blame the pilots. It's always gotta be their fault. What we need to do is go down to Brazil, round up all the inhumane jackwagon leaders and cops and shoot the bloody h*** out of them.

[zakman246]

@AssApplePie Way to ruin the ending.

[luna1632]

i understand the poliets may have done something wrong, but i thinks its unfar in any curcumstance to say " your still alive therefore your quilty" but the poileets still did a good job landing the plane, and they were hampered by radio problems. pluse even if there tcas wasn't worring the boeing should have been. it is incredable that a plane smaller than it could take it down though

[zakman246]

@luna1632 Did you not hear what it said? For the TCAS to work, BOTH planes TCAS must be on. So the Boeings was working and it was sending out a signal, but the other plane was not responding with their TCAS.

[LadyHarrington2k]

Why would you ever need to turn TCAS off?

[zakman246]

@LadyHarrington2k Turning the TCAS off was entirely the pilots mistake...

[1ELTIBURONN]

THIS A HUMAN HERROR...BUT FROM ATC IN BRAZIL,,,,NOT FROM PILOTS..

[kingdickthefirst]

Typical Brazilian incompetence. What a backward country.

[ajaiajai27]

@kingdickthefirst Well hi !!! Brazil is one of the pioneers in aircraft manufacturing in the emerging markets like Latin america .

[Onetubeo]

@ajaiajai27 You are an unbelievable stupid idiot.

[ajaiajai27]

@Onetubeo dear friend ,.... have u heard about Embraer.... and watch ur mouth you dump fuck..... Onetubeo my ASS...

[zakman246]

@kingdickthefirst No, your the idiot for realizing that Brazil is one of the major pioneers in the aircraft industry. Your shallow and ignorant mind makes me sick. You incompetent bastard.

[Onetubeo]

@kingdickthefirst Agreed

[modfon654]

Does anyone know what channel this show is on and when it is on?

[AirAtlantaAndFsx357]

@modfon654 National Geographic 

[o0Spyder0o]

So, tcas can be turned off, how about NOT putting a button on the panel allowing it to be turned off!? Maybe only on the ground but in flight it stays on regardless. Seems too easy, must be reason for the current state.

[zakman246]

@o0Spyder0o That button exists because sometimes, at aviation exhibitions they have planes that fly in formations, following closely along with the planes. If I was flying beside you, our TCAS alerts would be constantly beeping even though we are intentionally flying beside each other. It can also be used when you are flying in stealth, military operations. There are many other reasons but those are a couple of reasons why you can toggle the TCAS.

[Aero1000able]

LOL at 45:22

[Johnhardman011]

@Aero1000able And how's that funny?

[MikeyRB77]

Why do they put the digital memory on the outside of the black box? Shit - is everyone fucked in the head?

[OriginalAtomicSheep]

@MikeyRB77 They obviously didn't just sticky tape it onto the box.

[Airflyer05Videos]

@AssApplePie Yes

[MrHaahz]

no tcast?

[dabois85]

LMAO!!! @ 30:00min, lack of training on that radar.. lol that is no excuse you should not be using it until you have had many many hours one that program in a simulated traffic scenario or something.. plus why not have a red flashing box around the required altitude if it's different from the actual..

[bridgettheleprechaun]

At 19:50-19:52, it looks like they're watching National Geographic on the tv.

[AntiBieber]

35:42 it says TCAS OFF

[whoohaaXL]

Criminal Manslaughter?!?! There's no way that should have happened. That's bullshit. Fuck the South American Police..

[whoohaaXL]

OH! nevermind I found out why, the transponder.

[whoohaaXL]

I didn't watch thie whole thing, so im asking why TCAS did nothing in this situation. Can someone fill me in?

[Polybun]

@whoohaaXL because the gol plane didn't have it.

[jaderrf]

@whoohaaXL

The TCAS did nothing because it was off. I saw the final investigation and the transcription of this event. National Geo has forgotten to say that both LEGACY pilot and copilot noted that the TCAS was turned off after the colision. They then asked each other (it was recorded in the CVR) if "it" should be on or off (TCAS). Why does Nat Geo have not showed it? They also had a flight plan. Why do they ignored the flight plan?

[jmitterii2]

@jaderrf That's one thing I have a question about, when an airplane goes norad, doesn't the pilot just start going off the flight plan?

[damastersj]

@jmitterii2

Because when flying IFR, you NEVER change altitude without permission from atc, unless you are given a box altitude. Since the last controller cleared the legacy to FL370, the have to remain at the altituded unless told otherwise. If a plane is norad the pilots just decide to change altitudes, that presents a much greater likelood of an accident than the pilots staying at the altitiude they were last assinged to.

[PinklaLoss]

@jaderrf : I agree with you about the TCAS thing. I have read the transcripts too.

As far as the flight plan is concerned, before doing anything, the crew needs an acknowledgement from the ATC since the ATC can override the flight plan, if necessary as they have the most up-to-date picture of the airspace. So even if the flight plan required the legacy to descend to FL360 after Brasilia, they couldn't have done that unless instructed/acknowledged by the ATC.

[DanDauzacker]

I'm Brazilian... I remember the day that this hapened... I love planes, and it was a shock to me... few months later, the TAM plane crashed in São Paulo, was horrible. The thing is: Nobody want to be responsable for 154 deaths, and is too easy blame Embraer... But I asked my self: Why the embraer pilot didn't know about the Brazilian Flight level orders? I mean: Planes going to South = FL - 35 or 37 // Plane going to North = FL - 36 or 38 - He should notice the weird plane altitude...

[pilot2w]

The music from 40:05 to 40:46 is good

[acenace24]

Dude if planes are going hundreds of miles an hour at each other and are in cloud cover how would u see them? Imagine driving at a high rate of speed in your car with another coming head on in fog while going at top speed, try and avoid that, im not being an ass im just trying to make a point

[OrAnGeFrEaKdUdE]

@dimlivestrong since the legacy was heading south, I guess the sun might have been in there eyes but i have no idea why the Gol flight didn't see them

[Yahriel]

Manslaughter? Manslaughter would be driving a car into a bus. Manslaughter is NOT being the person standing on the sidewalk who witnessed the collision but failed to call the police immediately.

[zakman246]

@Yahriel They were charged under manslaughter for the fact that, they caused a chain of events to create a catastrophic disaster. As you said, driving a car into a bus. The car driver is accountable for hitting the bus, making it his fault. The ATC staff were not paying full attention, were seriously under-trained, and caused the series of events to unfold. Thus making them accountable for the incident.

[dimlivestrong]

if one plane was going north and the other south at exactly the same altitude and path wouldn't they have seen each other?

[1991tomwarren]

One thing that confuses me is if the 2 plane's colided surely one passenger would have spotted another emormous jet flying past or would'nt the pilots see it in the corner of their eye?

[splf]

one obvious thing here they never ask here is: how is it possible the legacy's crew never even saw a glimpse of the other plane coming their way... it would be something hard to miss!

[djonymorais]

@TheAusraelian , The Embraer Legacy is not that small. In fact it is almost the same size of the Boeing 737, in this video they give a completely wrong idea that the legacy is a very small aircraft. The Legacy 650 is an executive version oh the Embraer ERJ 145, a very popular airplane around the world, and it is 30 meters long, so you can see it is a relatively big airplane!

[earlgt2]

@djonymorais The Legacy and a 737-800 are in two totally different class of aircraft. A 738 is almost 4 times the size of a Emb145. To say they are similar in size would be lunacy.

[djonymorais]

@earlgt2 Probably you didn´t understand what I was trying to say. What I said is that their size is not as different as most people think. In fact, a 738 is almost 40 meters long and the E145 almost 30 meters long,no doubt the 738 is a bigger plane if we talk about the number of passengers and the operating weights. But most people think this 738 collided with a small executive jet ( like a citation CJ1, or a phenom 100), and we both know that the Legacy is not that small, on the contrary !!

[earlgt2]

@djonymorais Ok, I understand your point. I stand corrected mate!

[djonymorais]

Intersting, the video is about an Embraer Legacy 600, but they simulate this legacy with a gulfstream, very funny

[6erAnimeBassist]

all you guys really need to get over this "punishment" concept. I'M not Brazilian or American im Australian and I agree with the comments at the end of the video, bringing criminal charges into these situations is just going to make it worse, people are going to lie and cover up mistakes to not get punished, if anything the designing of the ATC system is the biggest issue. this "make em pay" attitude is really infantile and takes away from the important goal, future prevention.

[djonymorais]

@6erAnimeBassist I'm not brazilian but I live in Brazil since 2008, and i am a comercial pilot. About your comment, i agree with you, but unfortunately this punish concept is a very brazilian way of thinking and acting, sometimes it gets ridiculous, they're more concerned in finding someone to blame than in trying to avoid these accidents to happen again. In 2007 there was an accident in São Paulo with an A320, many people died, and the brazilian authority's behaviour was exactly the same!!!

[acenace24]

@6erAnimeBassist

The punishment for the crash cannot/should not be anything like if a criminal act had occurred

[craigdragon17]

@6erAnimeBassist Agreed! Charging anyone in this situation was not appropriate!! this is one of those things that should not have been pinned on one particular person anyway, Brazilian or American. They should just try to fix the ATC problems and the Embraer transponder and be done with it.

[Polybun]

@6erAnimeBassist and you expect more from a third world country? You know, there is a reason their entire country is a shit hole.

[cinesimonj]

@Polybun Given you clearly have little-to-no self awareness, so I guess you don't have a clue that all you're doing by spewing your ignorant, childish hate is telling the whole world the your self hatred is so deep, you have to project it onto others.

I recommend you seek help- before you start feeling the need to physically hurt people.

[Polybun]

@cinesimonj wow, you are a moron. I've already killed several.

[FastGreenFCF]

@6erAnimeBassist Exactly, man!

[richski662]

@6erAnimeBassist completely agree with you there, im in the british army working with apache's and then number 1 rule for us is :~ flight safety is everybody's responsibility. we have books to write down anything that has happened or nearly happened and every month there are meetings to prevent it happening again. the thing with aviation is we can still learn so much about avoiding problems because there are still so many problems that can occur!

[luna1632]

@6erAnimeBassist totaly agree.

[iangatheca]

@6erAnimeBassist Indeed you are right. I'm from Kenya but live in the U.S. and this is clearly a scenario where the authorities involved were looking for a scapegoat. There are multiple factors that are to blame in this incident, human error being part of it. The air force though should have been blamed largely for not training the controllers effectively as this could have all been avoided if the controllers were attentive and properly trained. At no point should aircraft collide in midair.

[jonnybee48]

@iangatheca; "At no point should aircraft collide in midair" - absolutely spot-on, Ian.

I just wish the same thing applied to vehicles and pedestrians!

[whangie1]

@jonnybee48 At no point should pedestrians collide in the air either. Or any vehicle (including the humble bicycle).

[58jtaylor]

Thanks heaps for uploading. Greatly appreciated!

[quadcatfly]

shit happens

[OliverCooksey]

@tabby226 What about at airport above 300ft?

[mario21sa]

i'm brazilian and, as anyone in my country, i knkow that there were, by the time of the tragedy, many flaws in our avaiatin. still there are. and the controllers DID make fatal mistakes, in fact. but THIS very episode of the ACI series makes clear how partial the press can be.

there used to be this so called "blind zone" in our air space, were no controller can be reached by pilots. huge problem.

BUT, if the TCAS was off in the Legacy Jet, it makes the jet'd pilots as guilty as the controllers

[jimmyvbs]

@mario21sa you have to remember that there was no warning system and the TCAS was on stand by. there are many other simula accidents caused be human error and technology error

[Luinwethion1]

@mario21sa the pilots are guilty for shutting down the transponder, Embraer should put a alarm when the transponder is turned off on flight, ATC are guilty for not giving the exact information to the legacy pilots... but even with all those mistakes, if the radar and radio were working as it should be, maybe no one had died.

A lot of brazillian pilots and ATC told about the communication and radar troubles in certain zones in Brasil.

[zozuef]

The american pilot is responsible for the plane and all the damage happened during its flight. The brazilian ATC is responsible as it should give correct instructions for both planes.

Why are there so many American's defending guys that killed 154 people? Of course he didn't want to, but he was responsible for sure, after all he was in charge of the navigation. I am sure you would not be so supportive with the pilot if this had happened on the US with american people...

[loljeck]

@zozuef im not american and in fact my best friend is from brazil but we both are 100% sure it is the ATC fault

[ZeroProductions15]

best upload evar...the entire episode

[MrDouglasdc3]

thank u very much.........

[BRUCEBAUM45]

Thanks for the upload. I don't understand why can't they make that jets flying in opposite directions should not only be 1000 feet apart in altitude, but also a few thousand feet apart in longitude and latitude? That way accidents like this will never happen! Isn't there enough room in the sky? Change the air corridor system a.s.a.p.!

[boitano666]

tcast should be always ON and there should be no option to turn it OFF. Then this would not happen

[AshHill07]

@boitano666 Airports? How long before the thing shouting at you "TRAFFIC! TRAFFIC!" whilst sitting on a taxi way annoys you so much you rip the dam thing from its housing?

[boitano666]

@AshHill07

it should go automatically on in certain altitude or in certain speed... and the pilot could disable it when taxing.

[Tabby266]

@AshHill07 boitano666 has a point. Let's say, it muted until the plane climbs to 100 feet. Any aircraft flying below that are suicidal, unless its a cropduster or helicopter, and even then those aircraft wouldn't be anywhere near the front of the runway.

[JoaoBatist4]

0:07 = Janela redonda

0:09 = Janela quadrada

[Olddenboys]

very good

[mwjfraser]

6:38 " just fly the airplane dude" haha

[equarg]

Thank you!!!!! Because of ACI I am going to collage this fall to become an air plane mechanic!!!!!!!!

Also...the ATC at the controls WAS sentenced to prison for 3rd degree murder =(

I figure having this happen to him is punishment enough.

[blondecat666]

Next language on my list to master is Portuguese. It is so beautiful, it's heartbreaking.

[EquuleusPictor]

quite a freak incident, thanks for uploading

[Wardog22476]

@EquuleusPictor you said it

[0x56]

Thank you for uploading.