To be fair, the "global" population problem only exists in certain overcrowded regions, like portions of India or New York City. U.S. population has been stable at ~350 million for decades now.
I find it ironic that, in their hypothetical scenario, they mention our outrage at a friend being bullied is evidence of objective morality... well then what is the bully evidence of? If our morality is so damned objective, why doesn't the bully share it?
I giggled at the picture of the Duggars at the end. My household frequently cringes at the advertisements for that show. The mother has long since passed the window for a statistical chance to birth healthy children yet continues to crank one out on a yearly basis because she believes it is up to her God and not her. Their last baby barely survived.
" I qualify it that way because I am convinced that the people collecting piles of cash from superstition oriented endeavors are, in fact, atheists."
I love your videos, but this statement is bullshit. I'm confident that SOME of the people profiting from these endeavors are atheists, but that's not what you said. Do you honestly think that anyone who is profiting off of the ignorance of believers is an atheist? If so, could you please explain your reasoning?
"Do you honestly think that anyone/everyone who is profiting off of the ignorance of believers is an atheist?"
I had not asked myself the question as seriously as you present it now, so my first answer: no, I didn't mean it that way, and I did say, 'I am convinced,' which is a commonly accepted device for announcing that the speaker is about to employ hyperbole.
On asking myself the question seriously, the serious answer is somewhere in this ballpark: the more money someone is making in this area, the more likely I find it that he is an atheist. And now that I think of it, I did say, "piles of cash." Those making little or no money at all are probably, and dare I say obviously, more likely to be sincere.
@ThisClownis2in1 And please don't mistake my tone. I welcome all criticism. If I'm wrong, I want to admit it and become right. But if I'm not wrong, then I don't want to become doubly wrong by apologizing. Now, turnabout time: do you honestly think that my statement is completely bullshit, and do you honestly think that the way I put it necessarily must be interpreted in the way you restated it? If so, please do let me know. I'd rather become right than remain wrong.
@GreatBigBore Perhaps I got hung up on the fact that you didn't say 'some' of the people that profit are atheists. I guess I could have assumed that's what you meant, but I didn't feel right making that assumption.
@GreatBigBore There could actually be people that think all of those who fleece the gullible for piles of cash are atheists. These individuals would be wrong in my opinion. Sure, some of those who get wealthy in this fashion are bound to be atheists, but I think several of them believe their fortunes are rewards from God.
@ThisClownis2in1 "several of them believe their fortunes are rewards from God"
I agree. I get stuck when I think about this stuff, because it's hard for me to imagine that someone who goes around telling lies and employing the basest of rhetorical tricks can really believe that he is doing the right thing, that he is acting in the name of a god that values truth. I've learned a lot about severe narcissism in recent months. It could well be that these people simply can't afford to look inside.
@GreatBigBore Having, at one time, been immersed in the sales drive of several religious groups - being the only acknowledged atheist - most of these people do believe. It comes down to them wilfully lying to others for what they perceive as their calling. I have had it explained that god would stop them if what they were doing was wrong - and god aint stopping them, so its de facto approval.
Also i was not warmly received by these people - a necessary evil to be tolerated for increased profit
@GreatBigBore Having, at one time, been immersed in the sales drive of several religious groups - being the only acknowledged atheist - most of these people do believe. It comes down to them wilfully lying to others for what they perceive as their calling. I have had it explained that god would stop them if what they were doing was wrong - god aint stopping them, so its de facto approval.
Also i was not warmly received by these people - a necessary evil to be tolerated for increased profit
@GreatBigBore i think your morality discussion is a bit simplyfied. That humans have empathy isn't the rule, its a learned behavior. This is not to belittle empathy since it's an awesome ability to have. Morality have nothing to do with god or empathy. There have at all times been some sort of morality, it has even developed under christianity, this is allso why to point to Yaweh as an absolute reference to morality is actually stupid. Check out Norbert Elias "civilizing theory".
You'll have to convince me of this. Not by telling me to do research; I don't have time for that. Just tell me how you know it, because it disagrees with my understanding, which is based on research that I have already done.
@GreatBigBore "empathy isn't the rule, its a learned behavior"
Well empathy is based on emotional understanding, its a form of intelligence. This form of intelligence doesn't develope automaticly, but has to be nurtured. "Morality rules" such as it's not allowed to beat up people at random or kill, is just as much based on an agreement. If you don't kill me, i wont kill you etc. Allso impossible to have any sort of society of violence wasn't restricted. To be continued
@BjornSeverinLarsen "This form of intelligence doesn't develope automaticly"
Again, please convince me of this. Not with argument, but with research, specific citations. As I mentioned, I've done some of my own research and your claims disagree with my conclusions. I would like to check your sources and compare them to mine.
@GreatBigBore yeah, theres just not enough space in these comments. I will send you some research done on the issues about emotional understanding and theory of mind
Go back to medieval times. There was a clear morality. However people where still gleefull to see executions. So to just take empathy and base this on all human relations, i would say is a bit simplyfied. Empathy might be the driving force behind the warmth in close relationships, but you only have to go back to medival times again to see the basis of marrige be power and not love. Romantic love is not universal, it's a concept create by western man, aswell for empathy
@BjornSeverinLarsen I suspect you're going too far in the other direction. Many human abilities that do develop naturally can still be bolstered by learning and training. Sometimes to a very significant degree, however.
@BjornSeverinLarsen People were gleeful to see executions because they were informed that the ones being executed did something wrong, and they all came to see how evil people are being punished. Granted, some of them were just in it for the gore, but that wasn't the only reason. People nowadays watch horror movies like Saw for the same kind of kicks. Public executions were rare back then by the way.
Finally someone that addresses the world population problem. Christians love greed and money and can be forgiven so they can go to heaven. Pure bullshit at it's finest.
@LogicalThinker667 Calling it by its name puts the thing in its place. Yahweh is an idea, made up by primitive people who sacrificed animals. You can imagine them dancing round a fire, chanting Yahweh Yahweh to make it rain. This is what the god of the bible is.
These days, the package of ideas attached to god is the ultimate puerile fantasy of power with clouds of glory. When they say "god the super duper lord of all", they really mean "yahweh the desert ghost story for barbarian kids"
The gas-guzzler comment is so true. I am surrounded with severe Baptists and many want to own huge 4x4 pick-ups with big-block v-8s getting no more than 10mpg. Even the teens who I try to teach AGW and Biology to, have no desire to help the planet heal. I remind them we all have to do our part in reducing fossil fuel use but they must think that everything is put here by their god for their consumption and that this same god is the only one who can destroy their world.
I agree. While few if any traits can be made for ALL it's true there is a large segment of Christians who believe there is no need to conserve or protect resources based on their beliefs. I still remember Reagan's Sec. of Interior James Watt telling Congress that he didn't know how many generations there would be before his lord returned. His beliefs clearly effected his policy which effected all of America and impacts us yet today.
I would like to see a little more distinction (by sound) between your intro and your rebuttal. Further more in your rebuttal I would like to see more distinction (again by sound) of what you quote from them, and what your response is.
Talking about Truth makes perfect sense ONLY when you have just lied to your audience and have to fear to be proven wrong by facts that are brought up later on.
Notice how the people with "truth" in their nicknames tell you the most blatant bullshit stories,.
In Mark 16:17-18 Jesus himself said Christians can't be harmed from poison or snake venom. This is obviously bullshit, therefore Jesus and by extension Yahweh is a liar.
Also in the Old Testament he said that bats were a type of bird but I just attribute that more to stupidity than lying.
I heard that the Angel Gabriel was a big liar (Satan). This theory exists because of the directly conflictual information he gave to the prophets Mohammad and Jesus. In fact when you read the details of the information it does conflict in a way that explains the wars that have existed in both religions. In other words, Gabriel was setting up a situation for eternal conflict in the world....that is if what he says is true and if it was actually an angel that said such things.
@tunatallica "3:15 after watching some of his debates im convinced that he's a closet atheist"
Or they could be the worst type of religious zealots there is, that they were fully convinced that they are doing gods work, and they don't see anything wrong with their evil actions.
I agree, only dishonest Athiests can be responsible, and orchestrate Religion, like any buisness its the bottom line that motivates a company. This is an ancient industry and has had many differnt formats thru the ages. Monotheism is just the current working model. The various Abrahamic religions are just differnt name brands.
you bring up a lot of great points here and what i find distrubing is the idea that they seem to have that people can do whatever they want to the planet and god will always make it habitable because he's magic like that. and it really disturbs me.
@GreatBigBore - Didn't seem to bother him yesterday....In fact he's still on that page laying some turds of wisdom...Give him some time he'll show up.
@GreatBigBore yeah, i got the same feeling. i guess it is easier to say 'blah blah blah' then to site your sources and provide actual evidence. although he is still hard at work on 3.19.
I saw that. I've been tempted a couple of times to tell those guys not to feed the troll, but you know, when people were telling me that I couldn't hear them. Some of us just have to figure it out on our own. Fortunately, I have an excellent therapist.
@GreatBigBore lol. there is actually some good that can come out of that little troll. people on the fence about their faith may see what he has to say, and then see the evidence put up in opposition to his claims, and conclude maybe they should take the time to actually research it. unfortunately we can't jail people for being stupid in this country...oh well.
I stopped feeding that 420 troll when he basically said that it wouldn't count as evolution unless the critter was making and using new 'elements'. Which told me either 420 is so ignorant of what evolution is they wouldn't recognize it when faced with it or is just refusing to acknowledge facts so attempts to turn the table by asking for the impossible. New elements?
How would a lion go about digesting a zebra made from entirely different elements than itself? LOL
@Fjarhultian I can understand that but still seems like a lie to me. The passage where Eve says that has always struck me as odd. Either way though it was entrapment by an omnipresent being. Oh well though it's just a story.
They should be less fixated on homosexuality, and more fixated on the global population problem. It's interesting how homosexuality not only doesn't harm anyone, but may in fact be a beneficial mechanic of human populations.
@GreatBigBore At 4:04 I can read the top of the page that goes "(If) evolution is true and only the strong survive, why shouldn't a person kill a bee if given the opportunity?" But people kill insects by the millions! If a mosquito bites you, you'll slap and kill it even if you're Christian. Does anyone really not whack a fly that's landed near his plate in the kitchen? Now, these are examples where the insect bothers the person, but I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly.
@BerzergerR "I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly."
Same here. I'm still very interested in your thoughts, so help me on this comment. I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you asking for an explanation or making a correction or something else entirely?
@GreatBigBore There's no disagreement here, I was just stating that the mentioned question in the guide already contains a fallacy that Christians sympathize with creatures as small as mosquitoes or spiders. In the video you debunk the answer to that question, I'm thinking it is possible to debunk the question itself.
@GreatBigBore I think Yaweh lied to Adam and Eve directly in Genesis when he told them not to eat the fruit, as it would kill them. Also i believe the talking snake told them the truth of the matter, curiouser and curiouser.
@BerzergerR "I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly"
I can see killing an insect being the slightest nuisance or for science. But I wonder what they would think of the little kid with a new magnifying glass outside on a sunny day.
@teavea10 "I wonder what they would think of the little kid with a new magnifying glass."
They probably wouldn't approve, but many people did that when they were kids, and they didn't all grow up to be sadists. That includes me. But in my case I just wanted to see whether I can actually set something on fire with just a magnifying glass, my objective wasn't to kill ants. I burned more small bushes than ants, but those are also god's living creations, should I feel guilty for burning them too?
People probably don't feel guilty since bushes get trimmed, grass gets cut, ants get stepped on, and all of those "grow back", but might feel guilty because burning is painful, at least to us. But I can see some people probably welcoming the opportunity to instill still some guilt for playing an uncaring God to the ants.
@BerzergerR I think it's immoral to kill a fly. I try to avoid causing unnecessary suffering or damage to living things. I'm not an extremist, but ending something's life for no good reason is excessive and wrong (IMO). If something, whether a fly, a puppy, or a toddler, is pestering you while you eat, the reasonable measure of force is that which will remove the pest from the area (or yourself, or you live with it).
@Ibis333 "I try to avoid causing unnecessary suffering or damage to living things."
That's admirable, but I would make a distinction between living things that can feel pain and those that can't. A puppy has a central nervous system, a fly doesn't, and neither do plants or bacteria, which are all living beings, and god's creations according to the discussed guide. Sooner or later any man, Christian or not, will deem an organism too little to even consider in his daily life.
I'm not sure; I had it posted but they DMCA'd me. I reviewed the debate in Series 2 of this collection, in case you can't find the whole debate anywhere.
@GreatBigBore I looked for your copy before. what an impressively annoying tool. ill rewatch series two. Also i appreciate the direct response, quoting my question. i've noticed you do it to other comments, and it makes everything clear and understandable.
@STFUNOWlol I lol'ed well said. And also explains why everyone looked at me funny when i was a kid and didn't understand why we gave money to the priest if i only saw him work on Saturdays. :D
I'd really like to see something more on Yahwey and the whole sex thing. Why DOES he focus so much on sex when he created it? What's his issue about homosexuality with men but only mentions once, regarding lesbians. Just sex in general.....he creates it, then seems disgusted by it. Everyone has to do a song and dance to get his approval for something he created to begin with. I'd rather that we are like the animals......they don't think, just DO....and no regrets.
What's with the Hummer? The "so many of you drive gas guzzlers" comment seems to be unrelated to Prestonwood. One might argue that many people use the bible as justification for using limited resources as they please, but I think that strays from the content of the discussion guide a bit.
I'm listening, but I need you to help me understand the difference between the "gas guzzlers" comment and the numerous other comments I address to the larger superstitionist community throughout the series. I appreciate it when people speak up and keep me in line.
@jlamoree Not if you saw the parking lot of the Prestonwood Baptist Church as well as every other evil audacious mega church parking lot in texas on a Sunday. What a better place the world would be if someone nuked such a scene!!
@jlamoree in my travels I have heard a lot of crazy religious ranting, one of them is that "conservation of natural resources are a waste of time since its all going to end soon because Jesus is about to come back."
If they had their way, we would be living in a wasteland with billions of starving babies.
The population question I ask myself too many time. Was I immoral for having two children? I love my kids more than anyone or anything else; but was I fair to them. Was it really right of me to bring them into this world?
On the other hand is it really such a good idea to let religious people like say the Mormons breed like rabbits while some of the more critical thinking person’s out there have no offspring to carry on their ideas?
@DerekYM33 Not sure where you live, but here in Belgium there's a "greying" of the population going on. There aren't enough new babies being born to sustain a normal population pyramid, so if things continue going this way there may soon be as many retired people as there are working ones, or possibly more. So if your country isn't overpopulated (like India for instance) you shouldn't feel guilty.
@DerekYM33 Also, I don't think we have the right to dictate whether adherers of any religion should(n't) be allowed to have kids. If the thinking people don't have more children, it's their personal choice. There's a population control policy in China, I personally find it pretty crude and I wouldn't want to unnecessarily impose that regime on any group of people.
To be fair, the "global" population problem only exists in certain overcrowded regions, like portions of India or New York City. U.S. population has been stable at ~350 million for decades now.
rogermwilcox 7 months ago
when someone says that they are the truth, then you know they are lying.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@caseagainstfaith Right you are! I immediatley realized my mistake, and removed my comment. You were too quick for me though. :)
Amy2838 1 year ago
I find it ironic that, in their hypothetical scenario, they mention our outrage at a friend being bullied is evidence of objective morality... well then what is the bully evidence of? If our morality is so damned objective, why doesn't the bully share it?
jussts 1 year ago 2
Awesome slam on the Duggars. The have no clue. They make me nauseous.
zebruh 1 year ago
I giggled at the picture of the Duggars at the end. My household frequently cringes at the advertisements for that show. The mother has long since passed the window for a statistical chance to birth healthy children yet continues to crank one out on a yearly basis because she believes it is up to her God and not her. Their last baby barely survived.
Elmoogle 1 year ago
" I qualify it that way because I am convinced that the people collecting piles of cash from superstition oriented endeavors are, in fact, atheists."
I love your videos, but this statement is bullshit. I'm confident that SOME of the people profiting from these endeavors are atheists, but that's not what you said. Do you honestly think that anyone who is profiting off of the ignorance of believers is an atheist? If so, could you please explain your reasoning?
ThisClownis2in1 1 year ago
@ThisClownis2in1 "Do you honestly think that anyone who is profiting off of the ignorance of believers is an atheist?"
Maybe I should have said everyone instead of anyone. I hope what I mean is clear.
ThisClownis2in1 1 year ago
@ThisClownis2in1
"I love your videos"
Thanks very much.
"Do you honestly think that anyone/everyone who is profiting off of the ignorance of believers is an atheist?"
I had not asked myself the question as seriously as you present it now, so my first answer: no, I didn't mean it that way, and I did say, 'I am convinced,' which is a commonly accepted device for announcing that the speaker is about to employ hyperbole.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago 2
@ThisClownis2in1
On asking myself the question seriously, the serious answer is somewhere in this ballpark: the more money someone is making in this area, the more likely I find it that he is an atheist. And now that I think of it, I did say, "piles of cash." Those making little or no money at all are probably, and dare I say obviously, more likely to be sincere.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@ThisClownis2in1 And please don't mistake my tone. I welcome all criticism. If I'm wrong, I want to admit it and become right. But if I'm not wrong, then I don't want to become doubly wrong by apologizing. Now, turnabout time: do you honestly think that my statement is completely bullshit, and do you honestly think that the way I put it necessarily must be interpreted in the way you restated it? If so, please do let me know. I'd rather become right than remain wrong.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore Perhaps I got hung up on the fact that you didn't say 'some' of the people that profit are atheists. I guess I could have assumed that's what you meant, but I didn't feel right making that assumption.
ThisClownis2in1 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore There could actually be people that think all of those who fleece the gullible for piles of cash are atheists. These individuals would be wrong in my opinion. Sure, some of those who get wealthy in this fashion are bound to be atheists, but I think several of them believe their fortunes are rewards from God.
ThisClownis2in1 1 year ago
@ThisClownis2in1 "several of them believe their fortunes are rewards from God"
I agree. I get stuck when I think about this stuff, because it's hard for me to imagine that someone who goes around telling lies and employing the basest of rhetorical tricks can really believe that he is doing the right thing, that he is acting in the name of a god that values truth. I've learned a lot about severe narcissism in recent months. It could well be that these people simply can't afford to look inside.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago 2
@GreatBigBore Having, at one time, been immersed in the sales drive of several religious groups - being the only acknowledged atheist - most of these people do believe. It comes down to them wilfully lying to others for what they perceive as their calling. I have had it explained that god would stop them if what they were doing was wrong - and god aint stopping them, so its de facto approval.
Also i was not warmly received by these people - a necessary evil to be tolerated for increased profit
messianicrogue 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore Having, at one time, been immersed in the sales drive of several religious groups - being the only acknowledged atheist - most of these people do believe. It comes down to them wilfully lying to others for what they perceive as their calling. I have had it explained that god would stop them if what they were doing was wrong - god aint stopping them, so its de facto approval.
Also i was not warmly received by these people - a necessary evil to be tolerated for increased profit
messianicrogue 1 year ago
+1 on religious leaders being atheists.
n3rdm4n 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore i think your morality discussion is a bit simplyfied. That humans have empathy isn't the rule, its a learned behavior. This is not to belittle empathy since it's an awesome ability to have. Morality have nothing to do with god or empathy. There have at all times been some sort of morality, it has even developed under christianity, this is allso why to point to Yaweh as an absolute reference to morality is actually stupid. Check out Norbert Elias "civilizing theory".
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 year ago
@BjornSeverinLarsen "empathy isn't the rule, its a learned behavior"
You'll have to convince me of this. Not by telling me to do research; I don't have time for that. Just tell me how you know it, because it disagrees with my understanding, which is based on research that I have already done.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore "empathy isn't the rule, its a learned behavior"
Well empathy is based on emotional understanding, its a form of intelligence. This form of intelligence doesn't develope automaticly, but has to be nurtured. "Morality rules" such as it's not allowed to beat up people at random or kill, is just as much based on an agreement. If you don't kill me, i wont kill you etc. Allso impossible to have any sort of society of violence wasn't restricted. To be continued
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 year ago
@BjornSeverinLarsen "This form of intelligence doesn't develope automaticly"
Again, please convince me of this. Not with argument, but with research, specific citations. As I mentioned, I've done some of my own research and your claims disagree with my conclusions. I would like to check your sources and compare them to mine.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore yeah, theres just not enough space in these comments. I will send you some research done on the issues about emotional understanding and theory of mind
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore 2nd part
Go back to medieval times. There was a clear morality. However people where still gleefull to see executions. So to just take empathy and base this on all human relations, i would say is a bit simplyfied. Empathy might be the driving force behind the warmth in close relationships, but you only have to go back to medival times again to see the basis of marrige be power and not love. Romantic love is not universal, it's a concept create by western man, aswell for empathy
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 year ago
@BjornSeverinLarsen I suspect you're going too far in the other direction. Many human abilities that do develop naturally can still be bolstered by learning and training. Sometimes to a very significant degree, however.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@BjornSeverinLarsen People were gleeful to see executions because they were informed that the ones being executed did something wrong, and they all came to see how evil people are being punished. Granted, some of them were just in it for the gore, but that wasn't the only reason. People nowadays watch horror movies like Saw for the same kind of kicks. Public executions were rare back then by the way.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
Finally someone that addresses the world population problem. Christians love greed and money and can be forgiven so they can go to heaven. Pure bullshit at it's finest.
Dwicker64 1 year ago
i wonder why this guy calls god Yahweh all the time
LogicalThinker667 1 year ago
@LogicalThinker667 "why this guy calls god Yahweh"
That's its name. I use its name to distinguish it from the One True God, Her Worshipfulness The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago 29
@GreatBigBore rAmen. One True Godess for sure. Hallablewya.
saxmanchiro 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore yeah but there is also Elohim, Jehovah or if you stretch it Allah
LogicalThinker667 1 year ago
@LogicalThinker667 Ah, Jehova, the uneducated clergical error that became a deity. :P
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@LogicalThinker667 How about looking up "Names of God in Judaism", before asking that question?
Today, an almost infinite amount of information is at your fingertips, you just have to make use of it...
DeletedDelusion 1 year ago
@LogicalThinker667 Calling it by its name puts the thing in its place. Yahweh is an idea, made up by primitive people who sacrificed animals. You can imagine them dancing round a fire, chanting Yahweh Yahweh to make it rain. This is what the god of the bible is.
These days, the package of ideas attached to god is the ultimate puerile fantasy of power with clouds of glory. When they say "god the super duper lord of all", they really mean "yahweh the desert ghost story for barbarian kids"
wearealltubes 1 year ago
think of how many trees we could save if the bible wasn't copied any more! lol
DatSkinnyWhiteGirl 1 year ago
The gas-guzzler comment is so true. I am surrounded with severe Baptists and many want to own huge 4x4 pick-ups with big-block v-8s getting no more than 10mpg. Even the teens who I try to teach AGW and Biology to, have no desire to help the planet heal. I remind them we all have to do our part in reducing fossil fuel use but they must think that everything is put here by their god for their consumption and that this same god is the only one who can destroy their world.
saxmanchiro 1 year ago
@saxmanchiro
I agree. While few if any traits can be made for ALL it's true there is a large segment of Christians who believe there is no need to conserve or protect resources based on their beliefs. I still remember Reagan's Sec. of Interior James Watt telling Congress that he didn't know how many generations there would be before his lord returned. His beliefs clearly effected his policy which effected all of America and impacts us yet today.
smithichie 1 year ago
I would like to see a little more distinction (by sound) between your intro and your rebuttal. Further more in your rebuttal I would like to see more distinction (again by sound) of what you quote from them, and what your response is.
ponypruhest 1 year ago 2
keep up the good work!
RadjaWiki 1 year ago
What exactly is meant by "as a companion to"?
platypus4242 1 year ago
@platypus4242
companion: one of a pair of things intended to complement each other.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago 4
Talking about Truth makes perfect sense ONLY when you have just lied to your audience and have to fear to be proven wrong by facts that are brought up later on.
Notice how the people with "truth" in their nicknames tell you the most blatant bullshit stories,.
TheAmazingSatirist 1 year ago
"Yahweh never lies"
In Mark 16:17-18 Jesus himself said Christians can't be harmed from poison or snake venom. This is obviously bullshit, therefore Jesus and by extension Yahweh is a liar.
Also in the Old Testament he said that bats were a type of bird but I just attribute that more to stupidity than lying.
Shadowlit001 1 year ago
I heard that the Angel Gabriel was a big liar (Satan). This theory exists because of the directly conflictual information he gave to the prophets Mohammad and Jesus. In fact when you read the details of the information it does conflict in a way that explains the wars that have existed in both religions. In other words, Gabriel was setting up a situation for eternal conflict in the world....that is if what he says is true and if it was actually an angel that said such things.
callouschristian 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore If there is a universal law to retain morality...
why not a universal language to understand it?
or is the universe fucking with me?
anyways from what i hear the people you are trying to confront are distorting the meaning of truth....(the literal meaning)
in that sense how do we know the man(or woman or snake ;) who made the concept of truth wasnt lying to everyone?
i think i lost myself.....
-Peely
azmanabdula 1 year ago
so a sane person believes do unto others......
what would life be like without 3rd person association......
i must say that a culture built on an idea without this extra viewpoint most likely couldn't exist....
buts thats speculation.....
azmanabdula 1 year ago
1. I am true.
2. My ways are true and my words are true.
3. My words say that I never lie.
4. ????
5. Profit!
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
3:15
after watching some of his debates im convinced that he's a closet atheist.
tunatallica 1 year ago
@tunatallica "3:15 after watching some of his debates im convinced that he's a closet atheist"
Or they could be the worst type of religious zealots there is, that they were fully convinced that they are doing gods work, and they don't see anything wrong with their evil actions.
emancoy 1 year ago
I like the opening guitar work.
TheFeltbegone 1 year ago
I agree, only dishonest Athiests can be responsible, and orchestrate Religion, like any buisness its the bottom line that motivates a company. This is an ancient industry and has had many differnt formats thru the ages. Monotheism is just the current working model. The various Abrahamic religions are just differnt name brands.
groovyengineer 1 year ago
I don't understand ... How was Lord Vader being mistreated?
lupocephalic 1 year ago
@lupocephalic Duh, rebel scum was rebelling.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@Fjarhultian
lulz were generated. Victory is yours.
lupocephalic 1 year ago
great job by the way. keep up the work and spread the good word.
dobste 1 year ago
just a small correction. it´s not 2 kings 22:22 but 1 kings 22:22. 2 kings chap. 22 stops at ver. 20
dobste 1 year ago
@dobste "1 kings"
Drat. Thanks much, corrected.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
you bring up a lot of great points here and what i find distrubing is the idea that they seem to have that people can do whatever they want to the planet and god will always make it habitable because he's magic like that. and it really disturbs me.
TheBadcop69 1 year ago
has 420messenger showed up and tried trolling yet?
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker "420messenger"
So far no sign of him. I think he really disliked being asked to defend his position with facts.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore "research" :P
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore Reading 420's words, and his common spelling mistakes, I have a suspicion that 420 is a sock account of Nephy
GregQzag 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore - Didn't seem to bother him yesterday....In fact he's still on that page laying some turds of wisdom...Give him some time he'll show up.
rogan71 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore yeah, i got the same feeling. i guess it is easier to say 'blah blah blah' then to site your sources and provide actual evidence. although he is still hard at work on 3.19.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker "still hard at work on 3.19."
I saw that. I've been tempted a couple of times to tell those guys not to feed the troll, but you know, when people were telling me that I couldn't hear them. Some of us just have to figure it out on our own. Fortunately, I have an excellent therapist.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore lol. there is actually some good that can come out of that little troll. people on the fence about their faith may see what he has to say, and then see the evidence put up in opposition to his claims, and conclude maybe they should take the time to actually research it. unfortunately we can't jail people for being stupid in this country...oh well.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore
I stopped feeding that 420 troll when he basically said that it wouldn't count as evolution unless the critter was making and using new 'elements'. Which told me either 420 is so ignorant of what evolution is they wouldn't recognize it when faced with it or is just refusing to acknowledge facts so attempts to turn the table by asking for the impossible. New elements?
How would a lion go about digesting a zebra made from entirely different elements than itself? LOL
smithichie 1 year ago
Didn't Yahweh lie to Adam and Eve about eating the fruit, that they would die and not become self aware that they are naked?
ConradSigma 1 year ago
@ConradSigma I don't think he actually lied; he just said, "Don't do it, man. DON'T DO IT!"
Omnominable 1 year ago
@Omnominable hahahahah That's pretty funny. Genesis 3:3 "...God has said,'You shall not eat from it or touch it , or you will die.' " -NASB
ConradSigma 1 year ago
@ConradSigma They say A&E became mortal then. As such, they would die, in a while.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@Fjarhultian I can understand that but still seems like a lie to me. The passage where Eve says that has always struck me as odd. Either way though it was entrapment by an omnipresent being. Oh well though it's just a story.
ConradSigma 1 year ago
They should be less fixated on homosexuality, and more fixated on the global population problem. It's interesting how homosexuality not only doesn't harm anyone, but may in fact be a beneficial mechanic of human populations.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore At 4:04 I can read the top of the page that goes "(If) evolution is true and only the strong survive, why shouldn't a person kill a bee if given the opportunity?" But people kill insects by the millions! If a mosquito bites you, you'll slap and kill it even if you're Christian. Does anyone really not whack a fly that's landed near his plate in the kitchen? Now, these are examples where the insect bothers the person, but I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@BerzergerR "I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly."
Same here. I'm still very interested in your thoughts, so help me on this comment. I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you asking for an explanation or making a correction or something else entirely?
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore There's no disagreement here, I was just stating that the mentioned question in the guide already contains a fallacy that Christians sympathize with creatures as small as mosquitoes or spiders. In the video you debunk the answer to that question, I'm thinking it is possible to debunk the question itself.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore I think Yaweh lied to Adam and Eve directly in Genesis when he told them not to eat the fruit, as it would kill them. Also i believe the talking snake told them the truth of the matter, curiouser and curiouser.
thekwizatshaderach 1 year ago
@BerzergerR Flies suck, but bees are awesome.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@BerzergerR "I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly" - Look into Jainism for one example.
JuryDutySummons 1 year ago
@BerzergerR "I don't know anyone who would think it immoral to kill a fly"
I can see killing an insect being the slightest nuisance or for science. But I wonder what they would think of the little kid with a new magnifying glass outside on a sunny day.
teavea10 1 year ago
@teavea10 "I wonder what they would think of the little kid with a new magnifying glass."
They probably wouldn't approve, but many people did that when they were kids, and they didn't all grow up to be sadists. That includes me. But in my case I just wanted to see whether I can actually set something on fire with just a magnifying glass, my objective wasn't to kill ants. I burned more small bushes than ants, but those are also god's living creations, should I feel guilty for burning them too?
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@BerzergerR "should I feel guilty?"
People probably don't feel guilty since bushes get trimmed, grass gets cut, ants get stepped on, and all of those "grow back", but might feel guilty because burning is painful, at least to us. But I can see some people probably welcoming the opportunity to instill still some guilt for playing an uncaring God to the ants.
teavea10 1 year ago
@BerzergerR I think it's immoral to kill a fly. I try to avoid causing unnecessary suffering or damage to living things. I'm not an extremist, but ending something's life for no good reason is excessive and wrong (IMO). If something, whether a fly, a puppy, or a toddler, is pestering you while you eat, the reasonable measure of force is that which will remove the pest from the area (or yourself, or you live with it).
Ibis333 1 year ago
@Ibis333 "I try to avoid causing unnecessary suffering or damage to living things."
That's admirable, but I would make a distinction between living things that can feel pain and those that can't. A puppy has a central nervous system, a fly doesn't, and neither do plants or bacteria, which are all living beings, and god's creations according to the discussed guide. Sooner or later any man, Christian or not, will deem an organism too little to even consider in his daily life.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@BerzergerR Flies have simple brains and pain receptors. What's still unknown is how they experience pain signals.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
@Fjarhultian They are not pain receptors. If flies had nociceptors, I would agree with you, but whatever sensation they feel, it's not pain.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@BerzergerR Really? It's possible that nociceptors are unique to drosophila fruit flies, but I presumed most flies were the same in that regard.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
i decided i wanted to watch the debate. but it costs money. heelllll no. is there a free copy?
HighFlyActionGuy 1 year ago
@HighFlyActionGuy "free copy?"
I'm not sure; I had it posted but they DMCA'd me. I reviewed the debate in Series 2 of this collection, in case you can't find the whole debate anywhere.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore I looked for your copy before. what an impressively annoying tool. ill rewatch series two. Also i appreciate the direct response, quoting my question. i've noticed you do it to other comments, and it makes everything clear and understandable.
HighFlyActionGuy 1 year ago
@HighFlyActionGuy google
torrent: hitchens
volound 1 year ago
@HighFlyActionGuy Why would god's word be free?? Come on now, be real.
STFUNOWlol 1 year ago
@STFUNOWlol I lol'ed well said. And also explains why everyone looked at me funny when i was a kid and didn't understand why we gave money to the priest if i only saw him work on Saturdays. :D
MrDiGiWiZ 1 year ago
@HighFlyActionGuy Just google for hitchens vs demski debate torrent.
Boomx2Brian 1 year ago
@HighFlyActionGuy I checked the pirate bay. It's not there. Sorry buddy.
jadedtwin 1 year ago
@jadedtwin thanks for the heads up. cheap bastards, those all giving/loving guys seem to be.
HighFlyActionGuy 1 year ago
@HighFlyActionGuy isohunt , hitchens dembski, 10 seeds
justintempler 1 year ago
@justintempler thanks! its at 13 now
HighFlyActionGuy 1 year ago
I'd really like to see something more on Yahwey and the whole sex thing. Why DOES he focus so much on sex when he created it? What's his issue about homosexuality with men but only mentions once, regarding lesbians. Just sex in general.....he creates it, then seems disgusted by it. Everyone has to do a song and dance to get his approval for something he created to begin with. I'd rather that we are like the animals......they don't think, just DO....and no regrets.
withfootnotes 1 year ago
I love this series and look forward to each one.
What's with the Hummer? The "so many of you drive gas guzzlers" comment seems to be unrelated to Prestonwood. One might argue that many people use the bible as justification for using limited resources as they please, but I think that strays from the content of the discussion guide a bit.
jlamoree 1 year ago
@jlamoree "strays from the content"
I'm listening, but I need you to help me understand the difference between the "gas guzzlers" comment and the numerous other comments I address to the larger superstitionist community throughout the series. I appreciate it when people speak up and keep me in line.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@jlamoree Not if you saw the parking lot of the Prestonwood Baptist Church as well as every other evil audacious mega church parking lot in texas on a Sunday. What a better place the world would be if someone nuked such a scene!!
callouschristian 1 year ago
@jlamoree in my travels I have heard a lot of crazy religious ranting, one of them is that "conservation of natural resources are a waste of time since its all going to end soon because Jesus is about to come back."
If they had their way, we would be living in a wasteland with billions of starving babies.
emancoy 1 year ago
He likes it, hey Mikey!!!!!
withfootnotes 1 year ago
Keep those videos coming GBB. With every one of them a tiny piece of superstition monolith is chipped off.
ivorjutt 1 year ago
The population question I ask myself too many time. Was I immoral for having two children? I love my kids more than anyone or anything else; but was I fair to them. Was it really right of me to bring them into this world?
On the other hand is it really such a good idea to let religious people like say the Mormons breed like rabbits while some of the more critical thinking person’s out there have no offspring to carry on their ideas?
DerekYM33 1 year ago
@DerekYM33 Not sure where you live, but here in Belgium there's a "greying" of the population going on. There aren't enough new babies being born to sustain a normal population pyramid, so if things continue going this way there may soon be as many retired people as there are working ones, or possibly more. So if your country isn't overpopulated (like India for instance) you shouldn't feel guilty.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@DerekYM33 Also, I don't think we have the right to dictate whether adherers of any religion should(n't) be allowed to have kids. If the thinking people don't have more children, it's their personal choice. There's a population control policy in China, I personally find it pretty crude and I wouldn't want to unnecessarily impose that regime on any group of people.
BerzergerR 1 year ago
@caseagainstfaith "Video description"
D'oh! Thanks.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
Wonderful vid. Keep them coming
Themasterpiece6969 1 year ago
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Amy2838 1 year ago
Yet another great video- fantastic series.
shiva369 1 year ago