Speaking to "Jehovah's Witnesses" third and final

[inspirediam]

I am very pleased to have stumbled upon your channel. I do not claim to know "the truth", but I do claim to not know all and I have faith...I know that what I feel to be true...feel...cannot be expressed via words...and that I work on focusing on self...what it is that I am doing, which is not easy mind you. LOL To not feel the need to save self, is freedom, faith, salvation is here now.

[inspirediam]

Yes!! NWO, that was the connection I made while I was taking a couple theology courses. I did research above and beyond my studies and I was amazed at the conncections I made. The religion is a front, and so are all of them, for that matter. A bit of truth in everything...including the new age...tons of distractions to keep the ego busy and keep human beings from looking within..which is not about works or traditions, very personal...not about judging one another and so forth.

[inspirediam]

Sacred Geometry...

[inspirediam]

Your son so gets it, the beauty of it all...oh, through the eyes of children...my daughter is quite the bugger too. lol The blood issue is something that I think goes much deeper, when you consider the memorial tradition they have...which is really symbolic of rejecting the Christ.

[inspirediam]

Gratitude...yes...to have gratitude....so key...

[inspirediam]

The kingdom is from within...Jesus (God) was indeed a perfect example of this concept, a concept that human beings have a very hard time grasping; thus, the reason for organizations and a myriad of religions...works, which are ego based...the relationship with our creator is a personal journey, sorry to sound so cliche. Words cannot explain the essence of what I am attempting to express.

[inspirediam]

I will be back to watch this tomorrow.  Very good series.

[usenetposts]

@inspirediam You'll be very welcome. I hope you will check out my other videos - there are now just over 1200 of them. They don't always talk about spiritual matters. The spiritual content may be only about 10%, but hopefully a helpful 10%. It is also a good level to introduce those who are less interest in that specific area to some of those ideas without putting them off entirely, as there are many who will simply not watch a channel which is exclusively dealing with religious issues.

[MiZzAe1301]

wata silly man u are

[usenetposts]

I see EternalDucks has removed without further explanation a whole series of his comments. I hope this means he repents of his unloving attitude in what he was saying to one Christian who was trying to help him.

[mathematikz]

@usenetposts we can only hope so

[beefree45]

Another thing that I dont understand is I thought the "Gospel" in the New Testament is the Good News we are to spread - which is Jesus' death and resurrection. The WTO's Good News is an earthly paradise in the new system of things - does the Bible ever tell us to to door to door by 2s and preach this earthly paradise?

[beefree45]

I would love to hear more about the blood issue - as many jw lives have been lost; interesting they can take parts of blood, but they still claim they abstain, - if you can elaborate on the blood scriputre(s) and the meaning/context, that would be helpful.

[repoocmailliw]

at 12:00 calls God a she!?

[usenetposts]

@repoocmailliw I said He. It just came out that way on the tape. It's probably because I don't drop my aitches.

[9244Matt]

Haha I got it. I watched a few more and it all makes sense now haha. You are an admirable man, I love your method of witnessing. Is there a way for us to speak sometime? Perhaps via Skype?

[9244Matt]

I am sorry to sound so "out of touch" but where are you from?

Am I missing something? In some of your other videos you have a Russian accent, maybe Polish, I'm not exactly sure anymore, and right now you have a perfect British accent. I am totally confused, I'm sorry. Maybe I should watch more of your videos. Do you mind explaining?

[usenetposts]

@9244Matt I would rather you watched every single one of my 1105 extant videos. Not only will that mean that I don't have to explain myself, but also I could do with the hits.

[GypsyPianist]

Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus is Jehovah?

[watchtowerisevil]

Jehovah's witnesses are freemason scum ... and Jehovah was an alien.

[alanheath]

Filthy rags are not appreciated by God?

I had better get some new clothes before I die then!!

[usenetposts]

@alanheath While there's life, there's hope, dear friend!

[alanheath]

How come now of the verses in the Bible never seem to rhyme?

I think we ought to make them, that is if you have the time!!

[usenetposts]

@alanheath

You can find rhyming Bible in Metrical Psalms

They are used by the Scots when they sing on their farms

The most famous of them is Psalm twenty three

Or "the Lord's my Shepherd" to you and me.

The Scots Calvinists did not sing anything

Except for scripture put in meter to sing.

[usenetposts]

@EternalDucks Personally I have given up voting. I don't disagree with democracy per se, I just don't think we are being offered it in the current system. I would vote on issues, but not for parties with some good policies, some bad, but which do things they don't promise and vice versa.

Wars are done by nation states in the main. The modern system of nations and many of the states (USA, Italy or Germany) and Watchtower too by the way, are illuminati products and I don't agree with them.

[usenetposts]

@usenetposts @Eternalducks Jesus said that his kingdom was not of this world, and if it was then his servants would fight. That doesn't mean there is no just war, but in the main wars have been produced by the same illuminati as produced Watchtower, usually financing both sides of the war. You JWs have no right to look down on Christians for being deceived into fighting by your own masters and originators.

And then you say "spare us your prayers". I will not. I will pray to Christ for you.

[repoocmailliw]

@usenetposts Yea man, we should just have a one world totalitarian socialist government they wont want that. That would truly be a GREAT WORK!!!!

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks maybe by voting you are saving a life - it is your freedom to vote - so for example, if you are pro life, vote for one who will fight for pro life; how can you change things if you don't vote for things such as this? this sounds like WTO propaganda; they actually make people feel that if they vote, they believe more in man than our creator! Fear is their control.

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks lets let the "wicked" comment slide for now. For as much as you disavow the idea of a free society, I look at what you are espousing is a facist state of mindless religious zealots who follow only what is printed in their comic book like literature written by men who are holed up under the Brookly Bridge. you are involved in the ultimate "system" controlled by men under the cover of self proclaimed prophesy. these men have prophesized armageddon how many times?

[beefree45]

@beefree45 let's try this-let's say in our society that it is a law that you have to vote and if you dont, you do not get any of the benefits of living in our society. Pretty crazy, would never happen - now imagine a free society where elected leaders have protected the basic tenents (freedom of religion, speech, etc)-perhaps it's time for you to purt your morals where your mouth is - move somewhere else wher there is no government- since you hate them so much;

[beefree45]

@beefree45 this is the conundrum for us worldly people - when we hear comments like yours. where is the logic - without a U.S. there would never have been a Watchtower Society. Think about all of the people who have died - without knowing one thing about your religion, but believing in its right to exist - you attack our society's most precious freedom and right, voting- and the people who blindly support you ask for nothing (yet you see them as wicked)

[beefree45]

@beefree45 you should try putting 1/10th of your passion for anti-voting and look into the history of our country's fight to allow groups like yours to exist. here's a news flash - there were a lot of reasons why the first settlers came here - but at the top of the list was freedom of religion - people were sick of governments dictating religion, denominations, practices, etc. WTO should have the guts to create their own country/society - it could be called Truthylvania- run by elders

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks you demonize good people - this is typical of WTO followers - it dosent surprize me - you know knothing of my faith. you call me an unbeliever without knowing me just because I believe I have the right to vote- that is scary irrational behavior; i ramble because I care about others and our rights- and btw you are using the NWT - the Bible dose not say "system of things" - your religion has changed God's beautiful words to fit WT doctrine - you follow a manmade org, I follow God

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks it should say "the God of this age has blinded the minds of unbeliever so they cannot see the light of the Gospel of CHRIST, who is the image of God! Yes, I follow Christ.........does WT really make you feel people that vote are wicked? wow!!!

[EternalDucks]

@beefree45 I see you want to run circles with me like a dog catching his tail. Why dont you save a jew? lol I can speak on behalf of the JW's in that I can assure you we appreciate your concern, but you are barking up the wrong tree. Your time and effort is a complete waste, we answer only to Jehovah our creator, not humans like yourself. Whats it with your burning desire to attack us? You know you have something in common with the devil, a burning desire to stumble Gods people =D GL lol

[usenetposts]

@EternalDucks If you say you only answer to God and not to man, then I take it you've never had to fill in a time card for your door-to-door work. Unlike all the other Watchtower people.

[beefree45]

@usenetposts i am not saved by works; i do not have men (elders) to answer to, or give my time card to; and yes I have a burning desire to save people from an organization that has caused so much pain and even death to families - based on Russell/Watchtower teachings. You and I are going in circles; i am not asking you to answer to me - your brain is so conditioned to feel persecuted/attacked, so you immediately attack or demonize others -

[usenetposts]

@beefree45 I don't think that was @me, you probably were answering Eternal Ducks. I am not a Russellite. My point was that Watchtower people say that they answer to God only, but this is a lie. They fill in time cards and confess their activity to other men in their organisations even more than Catholics confess to their priests. I addressed that point to EternalDucks, in defense of you, actually.

[beefree45]

@usenetposts oops - I see that now - ha ha I thought I was answering eternal ducks - thank you - I get a little nutty every time they "deamonize" others so quickly. Anyhow - thank you for your videos, and your understanding of Greek; but at the end, it really didnt matter - the JW guy justifies the WTO because they have "better fruits" - and they go door to door, and dont go to war - that helps them think it is truth.

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks ok, then if you do not put in enough hours for the wto, are you still a brother "in good standing". there are many ways to serve - do you follow the scriptures that tell you to feed the hungry and take care of the poor? THe Bible tells us to do a lot of great things; do you make sure you do it all, and keep track?

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks i am disgusting in my filth? ok this sums the kind of person you are; frightening; you obviously need some help; i never said" if you are limited" - i am asking, if you do not go door to door are you still in good standing? simple, just a question, nothing filthy about it. i also never mentioned someone should be tracked for giving food - I am asking if jws only go door to door or do they serve God in other ways too?wto followers always answer ?s with ?s and put words in mouths

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks yes, I have heard from jws that if they do not go in service (door to door), they may not be in good standing with the congregation; if you are healthy and able, are you required to go in service if you want to be a jw? or is it a choice for all jws, whether or not they go door to door. if it is simply a choice, and you can say no, and be a member in good standing still, then im cool with that.

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks so if they have spiritual issues, are they not in good standing?its really just a yes/no question..... Since feeding the hungry and helping the poor and sick are also commandments, do jws have any organized ways of doing this as well - where all jws are "required" (or commanded) to give time and record it? this also shows our love for Jesus. See I believe we all have gifts and can show love for Jesus in several ways.

[beefree45]

@beefree45 you know, I actually had a witness tell me helping the poor was a waste of time because armageddon was coming, and they need to save people spiritually.

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks i surely didnt say you didnt help the poor I just asked if you have an organized way of keeping track of that commandment as well and the door to door one. Why do you get so angry with my questions? I can help feed th hungry while you knock on doors; i just dont get how jws decide which is more important - is there a scripture on that? jws boast that they go door 2 door so im asking if they do all the other things Jesus asked us to do to (and keep track of hours for everything)

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks you've called me stupid, filth, disgusting, and other things; i havent called you one bad name here - if fact, i think you are pretty amazing for being so sure of your beliefs! just be careful, and be sure you are 100% correct, because you are responsible for what you teach others; remember - if you get people to join, some could actually die from refusing blood, or lose contact with family if (shunned/shun); this is a BIG responsibiltiy if youre teaching this stuff -b sure!

[usenetposts]

@beefree45 It's par for the course with them. They use all the psycho-war they can, because it's all they have.

[beefree45]

@usenetposts makes me heartbroken and angry at the same time.

[usenetposts]

@beefree45 Indeed. On the other hand the veneer that they carry about being so loving and respectful quickly falls away, and that shows what they are and where they come from, and to that extent it isn't a bad thing, much as I was sorry to see you being persecuted here. Nevertheless, "all those who would live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution", and persecution from false brethren is a kind that Christians have always known.

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks - Eph 4:11 says we all have special gifts to build up the church for Christ - some for prophets, evangelists, some pastors and teachers; People in Jesus' day didnt believe who he said he was, the "I am", so I am not surprised people dont today. We are to worship and praise him, he is not just "a God" or Michael the archangel (not scriptural) -so go on with your watchtower beliefs, but stop calling me filth!

[usenetposts]

@EternalDucks I think you are simply being insulting to Christians who are trying to pull you back from the ruination of your soul.

[beefree45]

@EternalDucks we are not the same - I live in the US. btw I never said you didn't help the poor - i just asked if you tracked hours - why do you put words in my mouth? If you are watching these vids, you need to be tougher while defending the wto. calling people filthy and stupid dosent make you look so great - just a little advice; and who is lying here -hmmm look closer

[alanheath]

Where is your tie? You would not Trevor McDonald reading the news without a tie!

[anissueofursincerity]

What you did was filibuster, engage in force dominence, and monologue rather than dialogue, and change the subject at the very instance they began any reply, so that whether your message might or might have not had truth in it or not, you coompelled them to resist. If you had hopes of gaining any headway at all with them you sabotaged it by giving over to your impulses.

[usenetposts]

@anissueofursincerity I'll grant you that I talk too much, and that I was maybe over-assertive in that debate, but most of the subject changing in my opinion was done by Peter. I have tried to go through that video as self-critically as I can, and I can give you some of that, but not all of it.

Please pray that in future I'll be more susceptible to guidance by the Holy Spirit and put less of myself in. The more there is of God, and the less of me, the better.

[alanheath]

@anissueofursincerity When one is alone, a monologue is probably easier than a dialogue. However if one were schizophrenic then a dialogue may be possible.

[ColKorn1965]

The New World Order is a religion in itself-the recreation of Babel.

Also there is nothing "new" about it

[alanheath]

@ColKorn1965 Belief in the new world order certainly appears to be a religion.  It is based on faith in something that does not exist. And there is nothing new in it. Mental disease and people with persecution complexes have been on the go for ages.

[usenetposts]

@alanheath in which case George Bush sr and Gordon Brown are both mentally ill, because both of them openly proclaimed a new world order.

[alanheath3]

@usenetposts I like their 1983 song Blue Monday. It is one of my favourites. Definitely the best thing New Order ever did!

[usenetposts]

@alanheath3 They were better when they were called Warsaw. At least they had a name that didn't reflect any evil political pacts!

[KennyWrites]

Interesting! For discussion sake only, not to assign rightness or wrongness to any viewpoint, just wondering about 2 things. Around 9 mins you said Adam, a man, brought original sin to everyone but a man would not be sufficient to remove it. Around 12 mins you talked about works. Wondering your thoughts on Calvanism and their TULIP - is the act of developing and declaring your faith a "work" - they seem to think it is. I hope you're having a nice end to the weekend, all the best to you!

[usenetposts]

@KennyWrites Hi! Long time no see. Good to see you, Kenny. According to Watchtower, the doctrine of Christ as Second Adam means he removes original sin only from believers, the rest is up to them. They hand this on certain verses which most Christians would understand differently, because they apply them to their already preconceived christology. In any event, most Christians would believe that Christ's sacrifice was for all sin of believers and not just original sin.

Continued re faith thing

[usenetposts]

@usenetposts @Kenny, cont'd. Faith is the one thing according to my understanding that is not a work, and hence the regular apposition of faith and works in the NT. Faith can be "without works" - and we are told that if not accompanied by works faith is dead. The works are the natural outflow of the faith and not to gain brownie points with God. "After ye have done all, ye are to say 'we are unprofitable servants' ". Faith itself is not a work, if it were it could not be "without works".

[JInks232]

What I don't understand is the heavy use of icons and idols in the Catholic or Orthodox churches. How do they justify it? Here in the states watchtower people are treated with contempt; relative to other Christian groups. I certainly do not have your patience.

[usenetposts]

@JInks232 Thanks. I cannot treat them with contempt, but I do pity them. They are slaves.

Idols are in Catholicism because of inability of the Church to put the Bible's message over traditions. They will have rationalised it as images to help faith, but the dividing line is so thin and the sin of idolatry so provocative to God that I would not risk it, and I stay away from such churches.

[alanheath]

@usenetposts Isn't the worship of craven images forbidden? I was in the Sinai when the rest of the gang made a golden cow and started worshipping it. Moses came back from a night on the town and really did his nut - killed 5,000 people and smashed the cow up all by himself. That is the last time I waste a couple of weeks making a golden cow, I can tell you.

[alanheath]

@usenetposts Isn't the worship of craven images forbidden? I was in the Sinai when the rest of the gang made a golden cow and started worshipping it. Moses came back from a night on the town and really did his nut - killed 5,000 people and smashed the cow up all by himself. That is the last time I waste a couple of weeks making a golden cow, I can tell you. Clearly Moses missed the part about not killing but obviously the sin of the golden cow was worse. Let heathens beware!

[BlackOut321123]

However, the 'new world order' seems a distinct divergence from your genuine religious views. Always felt that to be a sign of desperation, especially if you know Godwins Law of the Internet!

[usenetposts]

@BlackOut321123 Godwin referred to Nazis, and indeed I did refer to Nazis, but I never held with Godwin. Godwin says if someone brings up the 3rd Reich they've lost the debate, but I'm sorry, that was a big and important event and where did he get off encouraging people not to keep remembering it? If as in this case it is worth reminding people that JWs as an organisation openly supported such things as the 3rd Reich, the UN, etc, then that needs to happen.

[BlackOut321123]

@usenetposts It was really more the UN I was taken aback by. While it could be argued that it was created with a view to world domination, such ideas seem to me more in the realm of conspiracy theory than theological debate. Their support for the Nazis I will grant you, as their murky past and values, but it does seem very odd to attack them on the basis of association with freemasons. Just out of interest, I have yet to establish exactly which Christian Church or organisation you belong to?

[usenetposts]

@BlackOut321123 I belong to Christ and His Church. I don't belong to any organization. I was excommunicated, propbably deservedly at one point, but that church did not bother to restore me when I came back to faith, and so I am in a sense a spiritual ronin for Jesus.

[BlackOut321123]

You hold a very interesting view, which I cannot say I have ever heard from anyone else before, but have often thought myself. I entirely agree that any God of omniscience and omnibonevolence would not allow a humans actions, in the tiny fragment of time we are given, to decide our fate. Ultimately, he would save all of us, whatever we have done. I hold a strictly agnostic belief, but if asked, it would be your belief I would give. Another very interesting video.