I learned the hard way, also, while designing a flybarless MIA House FLY back almost ten years ago, but luckly my fail attempts, before I finally got it right, were at almost no cost . Most important thing is not to have too much deflection of the control links, and I employed delta 3. I made the control arm on the rotor head really short, so I didn't have to use dual rates, or special TX settings, and just the right amount of damping.
RE: Too much teeter - No, just enough to allow the blades to flap without bumping into the flap stop, that's all. I've yet to edit and post lots of other testing video of this rotorhead where I tried all sorts of neg and pos delta 3. The teetering was slightly restricted and flight was wobbly but possible. The best handling was with.........................................wait for it.......................................ZERO DELTA! Yes, I'm shocked too.
What really frustrated me while trying to fly this head was the fact that Bell 206 Jet Rangers use basically the same design. I thought, "If the real one can fly so smooth, the model should too." Wrong! Three years later I'm talking to a friend that had stick time in a Jet Ranger and he said it was a horrible handing machine requiring constant cyclic inputs to keep it from shooting away. I wish someone had told me that bit of info sooner...
@StormyMaxPerry I went through same analogy when I started designing MIA Helis, if the bigger ones fly why shouldn't the smaller models, right? , actually they do, but I found that on flybarless designs, you have desensitize the heck of them. This is when I learned about following rate and the impact stabilizer weight size has on the rotor, damper durometer, and blade tip weights, a lot of experimentation, the best way to learn!. Cheers Max.
I feel sorry for you.The rotor construction reminds me of the Schlùter helicopters family, But they were restreint with some rubber dampeners. It look like you have too much control.
The center-teetering head is more Hirobo's baby than Schluter and typically had pretty firm damping. What looks like "too much control" (or me overcontrolling the rotor) is actually the rotor doing what it wants all on its own. I didn't dare give it an input for fear it would then over react and crash... I'm thinking of revisiting this project but will have HUGE training gear under it. Thanks.
Hi Max, I could tell you had too much teeter , at the start of the video when you teetered the blade up and down.
But I am glad you got it working and really enjoyed your other fliying video!
MarioIArguello 1 year ago
I learned the hard way, also, while designing a flybarless MIA House FLY back almost ten years ago, but luckly my fail attempts, before I finally got it right, were at almost no cost . Most important thing is not to have too much deflection of the control links, and I employed delta 3. I made the control arm on the rotor head really short, so I didn't have to use dual rates, or special TX settings, and just the right amount of damping.
MarioIArguello 1 year ago
@MarioIArguello
RE: Too much teeter - No, just enough to allow the blades to flap without bumping into the flap stop, that's all. I've yet to edit and post lots of other testing video of this rotorhead where I tried all sorts of neg and pos delta 3. The teetering was slightly restricted and flight was wobbly but possible. The best handling was with.........................................wait for it.......................................ZERO DELTA! Yes, I'm shocked too.
StormyMaxPerry 11 months ago
What really frustrated me while trying to fly this head was the fact that Bell 206 Jet Rangers use basically the same design. I thought, "If the real one can fly so smooth, the model should too." Wrong! Three years later I'm talking to a friend that had stick time in a Jet Ranger and he said it was a horrible handing machine requiring constant cyclic inputs to keep it from shooting away. I wish someone had told me that bit of info sooner...
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@StormyMaxPerry I went through same analogy when I started designing MIA Helis, if the bigger ones fly why shouldn't the smaller models, right? , actually they do, but I found that on flybarless designs, you have desensitize the heck of them. This is when I learned about following rate and the impact stabilizer weight size has on the rotor, damper durometer, and blade tip weights, a lot of experimentation, the best way to learn!. Cheers Max.
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MarioIArguello 11 months ago
I feel sorry for you.The rotor construction reminds me of the Schlùter helicopters family, But they were restreint with some rubber dampeners. It look like you have too much control.
gaetanboiv 1 year ago
@gaetanboiv
The center-teetering head is more Hirobo's baby than Schluter and typically had pretty firm damping. What looks like "too much control" (or me overcontrolling the rotor) is actually the rotor doing what it wants all on its own. I didn't dare give it an input for fear it would then over react and crash... I'm thinking of revisiting this project but will have HUGE training gear under it. Thanks.
StormyMaxPerry 1 year ago
Yeeeep, that didn't work! Haha.
Sorry for the loss though man, thanks for making and sharing the video.
jaydekaytv 1 year ago
Hey Steve i feel your pain buddy.
Were you running the Actro 32/4 i sent you a while back in that heli ?
Patty
lockout45 1 year ago
@lockout45
In 2008? :p Got an Actro 32-3 in it. :)
StormyMaxPerry 1 year ago