Loads of poor arguments here. One glaring contradiction by the speaker is his insistence that 'M-Theory' or 'Multiverse Theory' must have explanations behind them (ad infinitum) but then this doesn't apply to the god concept ('who designed the designer' etc.) which he tries to justify with his poor crashed-spacecraft metaphor (it's poor because if everything's designed then why does the spacecraft stand out as the designed object among the rocks and terrain around it?).
yet only one of the names on the list has 1/3 or 1/4 of the world's population not only believing in him but changing their character and life style for his sake alone
does that not strike you as even a little mysterious
do you intend to look at islam in the way most people do not or do you intend to bash it ignorantly without any idea of what it is you are really bashing
do you take your time to look up opposing worldviews and weigh it on a scale with your own world view
or do you adamantly stick to your definition of truth and throw out all other opposing definitions
So, you vote my criticism into oblivion? You wonder why the West think you're brainwashed and crazy?
A worldview that can stand to hear no criticism is a very fragile and vulnerable one, indeed. I wonder why you're so afraid of learning you might have been wrong?
Do you really value comfort and over Truth?
Justice and Mercy are mutually exclusive. The more just you are, the less merciful. Mercy is unearned reprieve. Just like light and darkness. Allah cannot be both Light and Dark.
Justice and Mercy are NOT mutually exclusive. To be All-Just does not cancel out the ability to be All-Merciful as Mercy is granted to those that DESERVE it. Justice is given to those that deserve it as well. Both are earned. So the one being granted Mercy is one who is in no need to be punished. That is where forgiveness and repentance come in.
If you deserve a pardon, then it isn't mercy. Mercy is an undeserved reprieve. Earned pardons are part of justice, not mercy.
If Allah doesn't pardon as many as he could have pardoned, then he's not as merciful as he could be. Likewise, if he pardons some when they deserve justice, then he's not as just as he could be.
A glass of water is not perfectly full if you can still add more water.
Saying they are perfect when they fall short of perfection doesn't make it so.
Funny, I could have sworn it was me who provides me with food, water, and shelter, through my labor.
Security. Ah, yes...
So, when a suicide bomber blows himself up at a wedding, killing muslim men, women, and children, I assuredly see the hand of Allah there at work. Protecting them.
Oh, sorry, I meant to say that your god clearly doesn't intervene at all! My mistake.
And, if he would withold food, water, and shelter, then he's more like a Tyrant than like a loving parent, right?
God gives human free will. You are free to do as you will. Hence, no intervention.
But it shouldn't matter. If those people die, then they'll go straight to heaven, with the bomber doomed to hell.
That's how it works. No need for God to intervene.
Life on Earth is short compared to the Afterlife, which lasts forever. Better to live in peace and happiness in the next world than this short lived world.
Are you implying that Allah doesn't already know the outcome of the test, or that he's sadistic, and created certain people specifically because he knew they were going to hell?
I can't comment on your first question because I don't know.
Quoting from a website about 'life' and 'man'.
'So what does the Creator, Allah, tell us about our purpose in life? Allah states in the Quran that He created man to be His Khalefah, His trustee on earth (Quran 2:30). Mankinds basic trust, our responsibility, is to believe in and worship Allah.'
Actually the truth is God is very real. Only a fool would think we have been created out of smack, bang and nothing.
Anyhow, since atheism is all about science, I can say the Quran has got a scientific basis in line with many recent discoveries. From the basic stuff all the way to things NO ONE would have known over 1400 years ago.
Some examples: Earth is round, Universe is expanding, 'beasts' were scattered around the 'dead Earth' around the world etc, (Dinosaurs?)
It also says that man forms bones-first, and starts out as clotted blood.
Ancient errors that the Greeks also made, about 1,000 years ealier. The Greeks also knew the Earth was round. The Koran also describes the sun as having its own motion around the Earth.
You just see the hits and are blind to the misses. Sout enough pseudo-science or weird gobbledegook, and you can guess right, too!
Anyhow, you are free to believe whatever you like. But clearly you won't change your views about your own 'faith', and Islam. So I'm not really going to bother with any more posts.
You may think I'm deluded or whatever with my beliefs. But I personally couldn't give a fuck if you believe in God or not. I don't care if my neighbour does or not. But I keep my beliefs to myself and I do believe. And yes, there is evidence of His existence, although I don't really think it'll be suitable for me to show you.
i didnt say that god protects his followers from death i said he gives you security
well it isnt you who provides you with food it is the food that is provided to you
you arent a producer you are a consumer
you cant call him a tyrant or a parent because he is neither. He is your creator and not limited/ cant be incriminated by the laws of mankind because he is not a man either
your opinion of the unseen is clearly erroneous not your scenario
See above. You can forgive someone without their asking you to. Rape victims sometimes forgive their attackers, and abused children sometimes forgive dead parents. Are you suggesting Humans can do it, but not Allah?
All-Merciful is somewhat of a misleading translation, since it implies that God will give mercy to all things always, which is clearly not the case. It is better translated simply as 'merciful', because then it means that God does show mercy, and does not necessitate that this is always the case.
God will forgive all his servants that have committed sins, provided their repentance was with sincerity and change, God willing. How will we know this? When we die. The scholars say that when the memory of a certain sin comes into your mind you should ask God forgiveness for that sin. Some scholars say that if your repentance has been accepted then you will see a significant change in the quality and quantity of your deeds.
One should never give up on the Mercy of God, as He says (in the translation): "And never give up hope of God's Mercy" (Quran 12:87).
We should have a mixture of fear and hope. As 'Umar one of the Companions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, said (more or less): "If it were said that everyone is going to enter Paradise except one person, I would fear that it be me. If it were said that one person will enter Paradise then I would hope it would be me."
God is the All-Merciful, but he is also the All-Just.
Your heart beats and your lungs expand by His very Mercy, and He grants forgiveness and guidance for those who sincerely seek it, even the for the worst sinners among us.
But at the same time, he is All-JUST. Human beings have committed heinous crimes against other fellow humans and Him with no regret whatsoever, thinking they've escaped punishment. If they didn't get their due justice, then God is not Just, making Him a weaker being.
Loads of poor arguments here. One glaring contradiction by the speaker is his insistence that 'M-Theory' or 'Multiverse Theory' must have explanations behind them (ad infinitum) but then this doesn't apply to the god concept ('who designed the designer' etc.) which he tries to justify with his poor crashed-spacecraft metaphor (it's poor because if everything's designed then why does the spacecraft stand out as the designed object among the rocks and terrain around it?).
MessyPussy 1 year ago
yet only one of the names on the list has 1/3 or 1/4 of the world's population not only believing in him but changing their character and life style for his sake alone
does that not strike you as even a little mysterious
ali921812 2 years ago
Doesn't it strike you as mysterious that "God's true message" has not yet convinced even half of humanity, even more than a millenium later?
If it's so true, then why do people who disagree with it outnumber believers at a ratio of 2:1?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
The obvious answer to your question is that there are people who are open minded and people who are close minded
there are prideful people and there are humble ones
intelligent and arrogantly ignorant
evil and good
this is not a singular world
ali921812 2 years ago 3
Ah, but how do you know which is which?
How can you tell whether you are open-minded or closed-minded?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
it is all based on your actions and intentions
ali921812 2 years ago
Not so.
You are open-minded if you are willing to admit that your worldview might be wrong, and willing to let the evidence and logic decide.
You are closed-minded if you pick one view and then stick with it, no matter what you see, hear, or read after that.
If I were married to atheism, I'd be closed-minded, yet, I'm not. I'm open to evidence for a different worldview.
If someone will not consider any possibility but Islam, then is he open-minded or closed-minded?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
do you intend to look at islam in the way most people do not or do you intend to bash it ignorantly without any idea of what it is you are really bashing
do you take your time to look up opposing worldviews and weigh it on a scale with your own world view
or do you adamantly stick to your definition of truth and throw out all other opposing definitions
ali921812 2 years ago
What is the definition of truth that I should use?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
the truth that mostly all human beings believed in was design
the truth that you believe in is chance and this chance is at odds with reality. It is near impossible yet you stick with this definition..
let me ask you why?
ali921812 2 years ago
Good video bro.
muslim610 2 years ago
So, you vote my criticism into oblivion? You wonder why the West think you're brainwashed and crazy?
A worldview that can stand to hear no criticism is a very fragile and vulnerable one, indeed. I wonder why you're so afraid of learning you might have been wrong?
Do you really value comfort and over Truth?
Justice and Mercy are mutually exclusive. The more just you are, the less merciful. Mercy is unearned reprieve. Just like light and darkness. Allah cannot be both Light and Dark.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
Justice and Mercy are NOT mutually exclusive. To be All-Just does not cancel out the ability to be All-Merciful as Mercy is granted to those that DESERVE it. Justice is given to those that deserve it as well. Both are earned. So the one being granted Mercy is one who is in no need to be punished. That is where forgiveness and repentance come in.
DawahFilms 2 years ago
If you deserve a pardon, then it isn't mercy. Mercy is an undeserved reprieve. Earned pardons are part of justice, not mercy.
If Allah doesn't pardon as many as he could have pardoned, then he's not as merciful as he could be. Likewise, if he pardons some when they deserve justice, then he's not as just as he could be.
A glass of water is not perfectly full if you can still add more water.
Saying they are perfect when they fall short of perfection doesn't make it so.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
he is most merciful and most just
his justice is above all and his mercy is above all
his justice will be viewed at worlds end
and his mercy is all around you
ali921812 2 years ago
Really? Would he be merciful to an unbeliever like me?
Only if I believed, right?
Well, why does it take my believing in order for him to be merciful? Are you saying he's unable to be merciful unless I ask it?
If he were able to give mercy to all, and he was perfectly merciful, then all would be forgiven.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
God gives mercy to all of mankind
he gives you food and water while others who may be more deserving of it are deprived of it
he gives you shelter and a place to feel safe
he gives you security and ease when other people fear for their lives every day
ali921812 2 years ago
Funny, I could have sworn it was me who provides me with food, water, and shelter, through my labor.
Security. Ah, yes...
So, when a suicide bomber blows himself up at a wedding, killing muslim men, women, and children, I assuredly see the hand of Allah there at work. Protecting them.
Oh, sorry, I meant to say that your god clearly doesn't intervene at all! My mistake.
And, if he would withold food, water, and shelter, then he's more like a Tyrant than like a loving parent, right?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
God gives human free will. You are free to do as you will. Hence, no intervention.
But it shouldn't matter. If those people die, then they'll go straight to heaven, with the bomber doomed to hell.
That's how it works. No need for God to intervene.
Life on Earth is short compared to the Afterlife, which lasts forever. Better to live in peace and happiness in the next world than this short lived world.
vlper300 2 years ago
Are you implying that Allah doesn't already know the outcome of the test, or that he's sadistic, and created certain people specifically because he knew they were going to hell?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
I just told you. God created Man with free will. Man is free to do what he wants.
But this shouldn't matter to YOU. Since you probably don't believe in heaven and hell, right? :P
Unless you're a Christian, which puzzles me why you're asking me this. Same thing with Christianity.
vlper300 2 years ago
So, are you saying that Allah does not know the outcome because Man is free, or even though man is free, Allah still knows the outcome?
Right: I don't believe, but I am trying to show you why your delusion is self-defeating, aside from merely imaginary.
Just trying to share the Truth.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
I can't comment on your first question because I don't know.
Quoting from a website about 'life' and 'man'.
'So what does the Creator, Allah, tell us about our purpose in life? Allah states in the Quran that He created man to be His Khalefah, His trustee on earth (Quran 2:30). Mankinds basic trust, our responsibility, is to believe in and worship Allah.'
vlper300 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
Actually the truth is God is very real. Only a fool would think we have been created out of smack, bang and nothing.
Anyhow, since atheism is all about science, I can say the Quran has got a scientific basis in line with many recent discoveries. From the basic stuff all the way to things NO ONE would have known over 1400 years ago.
Some examples: Earth is round, Universe is expanding, 'beasts' were scattered around the 'dead Earth' around the world etc, (Dinosaurs?)
vlper300 2 years ago
The beasts scattered on the 'dead Earth' most certainly indicates life before humans, which is something we can all agree on, isn't it?
vlper300 2 years ago
It also says that man forms bones-first, and starts out as clotted blood.
Ancient errors that the Greeks also made, about 1,000 years ealier. The Greeks also knew the Earth was round. The Koran also describes the sun as having its own motion around the Earth.
You just see the hits and are blind to the misses. Sout enough pseudo-science or weird gobbledegook, and you can guess right, too!
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
Anyhow, you are free to believe whatever you like. But clearly you won't change your views about your own 'faith', and Islam. So I'm not really going to bother with any more posts.
But you can go watch The Arrivals if you like.
vlper300 2 years ago
Again you dodged the question.
That's thrice in a row.
If I didn't know better, I'd say you were avoiding the ethical complications that Free Will in the light of Allah's foreknowledge might produce.
Well, if you're done, then off you go. Have a happy delusion.
When you're ready to join the real world, Logic and Evidence will still be waiting for you.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
You may think I'm deluded or whatever with my beliefs. But I personally couldn't give a fuck if you believe in God or not. I don't care if my neighbour does or not. But I keep my beliefs to myself and I do believe. And yes, there is evidence of His existence, although I don't really think it'll be suitable for me to show you.
vlper300 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
You see, in Islam, life is a 'test'.
It's a test of whether you believe or not etc.
God saving everyone would make it all too obvious too.
Those who believe are the ones who are rewarded and forgiven for their sins. Not those who completely reject God.
vlper300 2 years ago
i didnt say that god protects his followers from death i said he gives you security
well it isnt you who provides you with food it is the food that is provided to you
you arent a producer you are a consumer
you cant call him a tyrant or a parent because he is neither. He is your creator and not limited/ cant be incriminated by the laws of mankind because he is not a man either
your opinion of the unseen is clearly erroneous not your scenario
ali921812 2 years ago
Allah, is also The Forgiver. It's men who are arrogance and refuse to seek the truth and forgiveness from Allah. So their place is in hell.
getaranjiwaramlee 2 years ago
True forgiveness would be given without request.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
And best of man will not be arrogance to seek forgiveness from his Creator. Allah isn't like the Christians' god who need secrifice to forgive.
getaranjiwaramlee 2 years ago
@WouldbeSage
And what rational backing do you have for this?
DawahFilms 2 years ago
See above. You can forgive someone without their asking you to. Rape victims sometimes forgive their attackers, and abused children sometimes forgive dead parents. Are you suggesting Humans can do it, but not Allah?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
All-Merciful is somewhat of a misleading translation, since it implies that God will give mercy to all things always, which is clearly not the case. It is better translated simply as 'merciful', because then it means that God does show mercy, and does not necessitate that this is always the case.
AbdullahYaqub 2 years ago
What you say is true, and it is a good point.
I wonder, if some are not forgiven, then do you have any way to tell whether you are among the forgiven or unforgiven?
WouldbeSage 2 years ago
God will forgive all his servants that have committed sins, provided their repentance was with sincerity and change, God willing. How will we know this? When we die. The scholars say that when the memory of a certain sin comes into your mind you should ask God forgiveness for that sin. Some scholars say that if your repentance has been accepted then you will see a significant change in the quality and quantity of your deeds.
AbdullahYaqub 2 years ago
One should never give up on the Mercy of God, as He says (in the translation): "And never give up hope of God's Mercy" (Quran 12:87).
We should have a mixture of fear and hope. As 'Umar one of the Companions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, said (more or less): "If it were said that everyone is going to enter Paradise except one person, I would fear that it be me. If it were said that one person will enter Paradise then I would hope it would be me."
AbdullahYaqub 2 years ago
nice speech.roman catholicism sucks,darwinism,etc...
UalhashimiU 2 years ago
God is the All-Merciful, but he is also the All-Just.
Your heart beats and your lungs expand by His very Mercy, and He grants forgiveness and guidance for those who sincerely seek it, even the for the worst sinners among us.
But at the same time, he is All-JUST. Human beings have committed heinous crimes against other fellow humans and Him with no regret whatsoever, thinking they've escaped punishment. If they didn't get their due justice, then God is not Just, making Him a weaker being.
Muslim4Jesus 2 years ago
Harun Yahya made him look stupid to begin with,
who actually takes Dawkins serious apart from few kids age 16 to 18..
Dawkins is a clown..
nice work Adam, mashallah
AllahsCreation 2 years ago 3