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@yz100f Yea atm got 10 on the go with a 200w cfl lamp upgrading when i put them into flower at 1.5ft tall to 2 400w cfls, strain is train wreck apprently get good yields... I hope cant wait to smoke it all up! ':D
For any of you that have send me retarded comments due to my comical initiation of idiotic rebuttals in attempts to flame me out;
No matter what you say, cfl's contain mercury vapor. Even the "green" ones. They are very unsafe to produce and equally unsafe when improperly disposed of or during common failures. Many people use cfl lights for much more than a grow room... children and old folks are at most extreme risks. Led lighting does not do any of this.
@celtex1 why would would you grow tobacco when theres weed to grow "you all need to stop smoking freakys"then you say wheres the tobacco make up your mind oh i follow follow we will follow Rangers every where any where we will follow on.... even if we go to Dublin we will follow on up yer Celtic
cool video, but if you built these panels yourself why stop at 60W? are those not 1W leds? for that much space and time invested i would be upset with 2 zips per plant, but 2 zips per grow? that is not comparable to a hps system of any size, a better comparison is a PC cfl grow box
To everyone knockin' LED's.. these aren't the 1/2w bulbs used in those cheap panels ebay used to sell. Cree LED's themselves are pretty much comparable with hps and mh when it comes to lumens per watt. Cree "whites" are even higher then an hps.. over 100Lm each. There's some amazing grows out there.. all under LED. Hans' are nice, but there are better. Google "IrishBoy led". Here's a vid of one of his grows:
/watch?v=98LNukrfdaM
I'm not so much for the panel being used, but his garden is niice.
are there really people that lie about growing ganja? wtf why?? i choose not to disclose whether i grow or not, im paranoid that old bill be knocking on for me if i said i did which i didn't and wont. still not sure about LED's ive had a massive mixed reaction.
Ok, you guys are comparing LEDS and CFLs, where does a Hortilux HPS rate compared to CFL or LED, for that matter, how are Metal Halides in comparison???
As a former cfl grower for a number of years, from what I've seen you get a greater harvest with leds watt for watt. Hps growers sleep on both cfls and leds. Very nice for stealth grow for 60 watts. I am truly humbled by what I see here.
Why is the whole world full of hateful know it all's? the guy has some nice bud from a few £$£ worth of electric. It proves the world is becoming a increasingly grim place when pot heads start beating on each other.
every video I see of 60 watt grows are thin spindly plants with small buds. I'm a fan of LED growing but 60 watts of leds is simply not enough. over 120 watts then you start seeing good grows
People need to remember this vid was from 09, and LED technology for growing has come a long long way. Sure HPS and MH lights are proven, but they are bulky, hot, high cost, and risky. Huge chunky buds or popcorn, size doesn't affect potency. Oh and for the dude who said just go to your dealer, and save the money. At 60 a Q, if you are a heavy smoker, a homegrow will pay for itself in one harvest, or else you are buying dimes from some highschool kid.
@stupidplants lol.. instead of all the hassle and all the worry and you investings could be so much simple in your case if you went to your local dealer. lol
im not trying to put you down but i am however tryin to put down my point to you.
but LEDs are cheap, and if you ORDER seeds, they are still only 10 bucks 15 feminized for the most part, or free if your grower had a hermie, and 60 watts isnt going to impact your electric bill AT ALL, and all you really need besides that is dirt and water... so.... you make money without any money changing hands at all....
@tonybousi I brew about a 5 gallon batch every week or so and it works awsome for my plants, granted they're not pot plants...but the concept is still the same
that is true 11 day is stupid say it and even more doit 30 day blue led 430-600 nm and start flowering 30day red whit 2 -12 hour 600-1000W HPS OR DIFERENT AND YOU HAVE min 100G some 1 here say get some 1000w hpss buy this is only for midle plant and dont have color spectrum
that was some hot shit.,. i like how u just wheeled it out.. those colors are nice.. ok i wanna try leds.. im lookin for a cheap used pannel or something.. but i heard leds have a really big failure rate.. and boy would i be pissed to buy like a 200 dollar ufo and have it die in a few months.. hps seems like the way to go for those who can dispense the heat
so you got 2 ounce only from this? how many plants were grown? and also would i get the same results with a 60 watt bulb above my plants? im thinking of growing you see but i cant afford a growing system indoors and i cant really grow outdoors because my next door neighbour is a cop lol. so would it be possible to get at least 1 ounce off of 1 plant using a 60 watt bulb above the plants?
I have use LED and HPS. The HPS is a way better light for flowering. I have a test running right now between 600watt LED and a 1000watt hps. The LED is not half as big as the HPS flowers at 4 weeks. LED is great for veg only. If I wanted to flower for 20-30 weeks I would grow outside. I have been doing tests for over 2 years trying to get the best. HPS is the way to go!!
wow!. good job!. i was using 5mm leds for a grow light, but i decide to use high power becouse they have high reflection power due by his brightly light!. you can use reflection lens if you want light concetration on certain place, i have tested and i ready get very good results, im building another one but with 10w led very powerfull leds, if you want to try buy one on ebay to good prices, i say this becouse i have some of them, try this led will not desapoint you for sure, THANKS FOR POST IT!!
you get miles better developed plants with led that with any other lamps, these things are defo the future, only thing these lads have done wrong is not boost the plants just fed on grow probably and thats it!
you get miles better eveloped plants with led that with any other lamps, these things are defo the future, only thing these lads have done wrong is not boost the plants just fed on grow probably and thats it!
wow bravo, u really put that panel together yourself? i'm impressed, and to buddnugget if you want to get the biggest results use hps but if electricity is an issue LEd's are a good alternative.
I just got some OG Kush Seeds from GROWINGWEEDSEEDS [.] COM and I was just wondering if anyone knows if it would be better to grow them with HPS, CFL, or LED lights? I want to get the most I can out of the plants! :)
Depends on the amount of money,space,time and knowledge really you have. I suggest you wait for awhile and join a cannabis culture forum and read up, otherwise it'll be a waste of seed.
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and remove the stupid lenses, so you take advantage of the high beam, making you not need to have side panels at all. You concentrate vertical radiation beams on plants that you dont want to stretch.... thats inefficient.
How come most reactions on YouTube are so incredibly stupid? You talk out of your ass about your Pytochromes, pretending to "know", but I bet you have never grown with Leds yourself.
@northsider707, I recommend setting up a DWC (Deep Water Culture) hydroponic setup ie. Oxy-Pot, with a UFO, nutes, [grow] medium and a fan and be on your way. I have a few plants now, not harvested yet, but by the end of the month should have at least one plant done. The internet is your friend... You can DIY it or eBay it, whichever works out cheaper. You can check my channel for great advice from Jorge Cervantes!
@HansMmmm WORD. Just saw a grow with a 300w led panel...goodbye HPS, so not worth the heat or E-Bill...if only the lights themselves didnt cost an arm, leg and nutt sack.
Farreds (meaning Infrareds) supress Phytochrome-Farred, while Darkreds (meaning farreds) supress Phytochrome-Red. A reduction of Pfr due to Infraredradiation signalises shado, does not affect circadian clock and inactivates darkphase violations. I suggest you to run them 24h, removing the sidepanels and to increase height of your box, while reducing the amount of clones. the actual setzup thing looks quite stupid.
You're spot on about the phytochrome stuff. I don't know why you're so critical about HansMmmm's grow, but to deny the phytochrome system is just closed minded.
660nm may be the most efficient photosynthetically, but maybe more importantly it raises %Pfr to maximum (theretically around 85% according to the absorbance curves of Pr and Pfr).
The %Pfr of a given section of plant determines how much it will stretch vs inter-cell production. This completely explains shade avoidance and plant shape
No, I haven't grown with LED's, but the amount of mainstream material pin pointing the phytochrome system and its central role in plant shaping and sleep patterns along with watching various led grows over the years (data) suggests strongly that phytochrome is key. I have used other sources of lights including the sun to grow various types of plants and for some reason the leaves always know they're under a shadow.
I'm trying to work with you here. I think this setup is among the best so far.
do you think the far-reds worked? I have been thinking those are key for years.
I know you want to do your next grow without them, but think about it. if it fails, people may not come to the conclusion that the 730nm leds were what did it, they'd simply think "another led failure". Maybe?
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yz100f 1 week ago
54 gram thats like 2oz of weed..... looks to be 5+ plants thats a shit yeild. Not trying to insult you but what the fuck...
skullkiller123 2 weeks ago
@skullkiller123 54 g for 60w is not bad at all 600w would give you 540 g thats damn good
yz100f 1 week ago
@yz100f Yea atm got 10 on the go with a 200w cfl lamp upgrading when i put them into flower at 1.5ft tall to 2 400w cfls, strain is train wreck apprently get good yields... I hope cant wait to smoke it all up! ':D
skullkiller123 1 week ago
Respect
hrustovoTV 2 months ago
Are T5's considered CFL?
575cess 2 months ago
For any of you that have send me retarded comments due to my comical initiation of idiotic rebuttals in attempts to flame me out;
No matter what you say, cfl's contain mercury vapor. Even the "green" ones. They are very unsafe to produce and equally unsafe when improperly disposed of or during common failures. Many people use cfl lights for much more than a grow room... children and old folks are at most extreme risks. Led lighting does not do any of this.
danklown 2 months ago
@Rei89ch, cause failure of the housing had nothing to do with vapor escaping into the area of growing... imbecile.
Great comment, I bet your peers gave you extra cool points for being a troll.
danklown 2 months ago
you all need to stop smoking freakys grow some vegtables i don't see any veg or tabbacco .
celtex1 2 months ago
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@celtex1 why would would you grow tobacco when theres weed to grow "you all need to stop smoking freakys"then you say wheres the tobacco make up your mind oh i follow follow we will follow Rangers every where any where we will follow on.... even if we go to Dublin we will follow on up yer Celtic
fordham237 1 month ago
cool video, but if you built these panels yourself why stop at 60W? are those not 1W leds? for that much space and time invested i would be upset with 2 zips per plant, but 2 zips per grow? that is not comparable to a hps system of any size, a better comparison is a PC cfl grow box
lazerYA 3 months ago
did you do the led lites set up by your self? did you buy the led idinijualy
bashorry 4 months ago
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Do the grow lights work as well as other lamps ? looking online and a site says they dont live up to full potential vvvvvv.whatgrowlight.weebly,com
blackrockgroup 4 months ago
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SuperAaron969 4 months ago
Great gob! love the crop. 2 oz sounds small though. Hope you get more yeild on your next harvest.
redrumpaint 4 months ago
hps still rules led
norwok 4 months ago
Disco Grow!!!
TheSplosions 5 months ago
keep up the good work!! GReetz from Holland
19theprodigy80 5 months ago
And LED creates waay more thc!
iamspuzzum 5 months ago
To everyone knockin' LED's.. these aren't the 1/2w bulbs used in those cheap panels ebay used to sell. Cree LED's themselves are pretty much comparable with hps and mh when it comes to lumens per watt. Cree "whites" are even higher then an hps.. over 100Lm each. There's some amazing grows out there.. all under LED. Hans' are nice, but there are better. Google "IrishBoy led". Here's a vid of one of his grows:
/watch?v=98LNukrfdaM
I'm not so much for the panel being used, but his garden is niice.
iamspuzzum 5 months ago
those plants lived 20 weeks and u only got 54 gram? or is it 54 gram on each plant?
I wanna start growing too but i'm not sure what light i should use, so checking my options on youtube =)
Any tips are welcome!
MrMakavelli007 5 months ago
are there really people that lie about growing ganja? wtf why?? i choose not to disclose whether i grow or not, im paranoid that old bill be knocking on for me if i said i did which i didn't and wont. still not sure about LED's ive had a massive mixed reaction.
komaki119 6 months ago
people here are stupid as fuck. ignorant sons of bitches. they have no idea about proper spectrum or technological advances hhaha
rastapasta64 6 months ago
Ok, you guys are comparing LEDS and CFLs, where does a Hortilux HPS rate compared to CFL or LED, for that matter, how are Metal Halides in comparison???
overpaidalstarz16 6 months ago
As a former cfl grower for a number of years, from what I've seen you get a greater harvest with leds watt for watt. Hps growers sleep on both cfls and leds. Very nice for stealth grow for 60 watts. I am truly humbled by what I see here.
KingsofKannibus 6 months ago
nice setup m8 i currently use a 600w hps. but seriously considering changing to led how many watts led would i need to replace that hps?
dave420uk 7 months ago
this is the futur !
TheBabzion 7 months ago
@mrnebu you knows whats funny is im reading this whilst trimming a harvest but hey I dont grow according to you, PEACENLOVE bro
highnine9 7 months ago
are you haters really trying to compare cfls and led'? theres no competition,i bet you can harvest more from a 60 watt led then 150 watts of cfl.
Baileyh559 8 months ago
Why is the whole world full of hateful know it all's? the guy has some nice bud from a few £$£ worth of electric. It proves the world is becoming a increasingly grim place when pot heads start beating on each other.
Good effort bro...! keep up the good work!
JackSherak 8 months ago
@JackSherak nicely said, I think you can tell the different from the people that actually grow and the people that dont.
highnine9 8 months ago
@highnine9 yeah, you dont !
mrnebu 7 months ago
And when I think about the fact that the old lights would eat up kilowatts and need cooling and so on.
Nowadays... less than a regular bulb.
But I still think that the good ol' sunshine is better and gives the best crops.
Sure... it's harder.
Anyhow... nice,
yo6ial 9 months ago
Cfl's mutha fucka
jkoibita420 9 months ago
every video I see of 60 watt grows are thin spindly plants with small buds. I'm a fan of LED growing but 60 watts of leds is simply not enough. over 120 watts then you start seeing good grows
Jimbogf 9 months ago
People need to remember this vid was from 09, and LED technology for growing has come a long long way. Sure HPS and MH lights are proven, but they are bulky, hot, high cost, and risky. Huge chunky buds or popcorn, size doesn't affect potency. Oh and for the dude who said just go to your dealer, and save the money. At 60 a Q, if you are a heavy smoker, a homegrow will pay for itself in one harvest, or else you are buying dimes from some highschool kid.
mootsmcboots 9 months ago
pack your bags. sell all your gear or get a HPS lighting. thats my advice to you
samishere11 10 months ago
WOW... What an absolute epic fail.
all your LED setup and all the shit for a tiny popcorn buds.
one word ... HPS iv never used LED but after this video. im never going with that idea bro.
samishere11 10 months ago
@samishere11
and bud size has anything to do with potency since when?
whos to say this isnt for personal/few friends?
stupidplants 10 months ago
@stupidplants lol.. instead of all the hassle and all the worry and you investings could be so much simple in your case if you went to your local dealer. lol
im not trying to put you down but i am however tryin to put down my point to you.
one day you will learn
samishere11 10 months ago
@samishere11
but LEDs are cheap, and if you ORDER seeds, they are still only 10 bucks 15 feminized for the most part, or free if your grower had a hermie, and 60 watts isnt going to impact your electric bill AT ALL, and all you really need besides that is dirt and water... so.... you make money without any money changing hands at all....
stupidplants 10 months ago
bro your just genius i wrote you a mail yesterday, im stoked for that kind of sciene , big up!
KILLao1 11 months ago
invest in a metal halide
Hammy2214 11 months ago
ewww. ugly batch shoulda used hps....
Blahblahblackjoe 11 months ago
Can i get these lights at Toys R us?
TheUnknownGrower 11 months ago
So if you wanted to get 450 g's you would technically need 8 times as many contraptions?
I'm just sayin, the savings are there as long as you don't smoke more then 2 o's in...what 3 months? lol....
oonrnwibitpoAMAZING 1 year ago
Thats cute.
demensionflip 1 year ago
wow if you really produced 54 grams with 60 watts
then anybody who ever says that leds suck can ;ick my nuts
daboyz8 1 year ago
and best thing ever is co2 for fermetation beer is easy to doit and have best resolt ever
tonybousi 1 year ago
@tonybousi I brew about a 5 gallon batch every week or so and it works awsome for my plants, granted they're not pot plants...but the concept is still the same
Strom63 11 months ago
that is true 11 day is stupid say it and even more doit 30 day blue led 430-600 nm and start flowering 30day red whit 2 -12 hour 600-1000W HPS OR DIFERENT AND YOU HAVE min 100G some 1 here say get some 1000w hpss buy this is only for midle plant and dont have color spectrum
tonybousi 1 year ago
that was some hot shit.,. i like how u just wheeled it out.. those colors are nice.. ok i wanna try leds.. im lookin for a cheap used pannel or something.. but i heard leds have a really big failure rate.. and boy would i be pissed to buy like a 200 dollar ufo and have it die in a few months.. hps seems like the way to go for those who can dispense the heat
partyongarth420 1 year ago
yall are stupid...u didnt hear he vegged for 11 days
SuperBossman12345 1 year ago
Be a big boy and get some 1000 watt HPS's. Them shit's look weak....
tee719 1 year ago
totaly light bleached, move them away more
ph33ric 1 year ago
for 60W of LED, that's absolutely astonishing
areufkingkiddingme 1 year ago
so you got 2 ounce only from this? how many plants were grown? and also would i get the same results with a 60 watt bulb above my plants? im thinking of growing you see but i cant afford a growing system indoors and i cant really grow outdoors because my next door neighbour is a cop lol. so would it be possible to get at least 1 ounce off of 1 plant using a 60 watt bulb above the plants?
lucasnookerReturn 1 year ago
I have use LED and HPS. The HPS is a way better light for flowering. I have a test running right now between 600watt LED and a 1000watt hps. The LED is not half as big as the HPS flowers at 4 weeks. LED is great for veg only. If I wanted to flower for 20-30 weeks I would grow outside. I have been doing tests for over 2 years trying to get the best. HPS is the way to go!!
grubbywon03 1 year ago
@grubbywon03 my outdoor grow takes 8weeks not 30?same as indoors
rockondon 1 year ago
54 grams.. almost 11weeks.. Dude that's a really shitty yield
r7o2d6 1 year ago
@r7o2d6 that's almost 1g/W... how is that shitty?
areufkingkiddingme 1 year ago
can u make one for people and how much would you charge because i have a 225 led panel
xxtruckin93xx 1 year ago
damn lookin pretty cool, looks like some alien grow op lol
420chronmasta 1 year ago
this is ery nice dude
ssrider7 1 year ago
knap gedaan!
joyisaware 1 year ago
you might as well have used CFLs
StraightDeu 1 year ago 7
@StraightDeu cfls are awesome at 2bucks a piece vs an exspensive led setup that you need cfls for in bud anyways?
rockondon 1 year ago
@StraightDeu cfl's are for your mother. led's are the future
leonnuggetz 10 months ago
@StraightDeu Why? These will create dencer Bud and use less watts. LED is the future dnt be scared :P
VolpeRossauk 7 months ago
@StraightDeu yeah, if you like mercury... idiot.
danklown 6 months ago 7
@danklown Yeah ... if you are breaking the bulbs like a fucking moron that could possibly be a problem
StraightDeu 6 months ago
@danklown yea cfl's do contain mercury. nothing wrong with that. unless youre retarded and keep dropping shit... idiot.
Rei89CH 2 months ago
how long did this take? LED lights decrease the time for it to fully grow?
soccerpml21 1 year ago
wow!. good job!. i was using 5mm leds for a grow light, but i decide to use high power becouse they have high reflection power due by his brightly light!. you can use reflection lens if you want light concetration on certain place, i have tested and i ready get very good results, im building another one but with 10w led very powerfull leds, if you want to try buy one on ebay to good prices, i say this becouse i have some of them, try this led will not desapoint you for sure, THANKS FOR POST IT!!
vambreace 1 year ago
thats awsome bro you have done great work leds are the shit!
caseyfromdvill 1 year ago
you get miles better developed plants with led that with any other lamps, these things are defo the future, only thing these lads have done wrong is not boost the plants just fed on grow probably and thats it!
goldie1ooo 1 year ago
you get miles better eveloped plants with led that with any other lamps, these things are defo the future, only thing these lads have done wrong is not boost the plants just fed on grow probably and thats it!
goldie1ooo 1 year ago
I have noticed that plants grown with led's have popcorn like buds. Is there a way to increase yield ?
lastpatriot4America 1 year ago
what kind weed is it mate?
magdmarkus 1 year ago
The real question is does it get you just as high?
8osiris 2 years ago
so is the red spectrum lighting better for flowering? that box is sick
SomeFreeMusic 2 years ago
wow nice job how many plants is that
beersandank 2 years ago
wow bravo, u really put that panel together yourself? i'm impressed, and to buddnugget if you want to get the biggest results use hps but if electricity is an issue LEd's are a good alternative.
stopfascisminAmerica 2 years ago
I just got some OG Kush Seeds from GROWINGWEEDSEEDS [.] COM and I was just wondering if anyone knows if it would be better to grow them with HPS, CFL, or LED lights? I want to get the most I can out of the plants! :)
growitandsmokeit 2 years ago
Depends on the amount of money,space,time and knowledge really you have. I suggest you wait for awhile and join a cannabis culture forum and read up, otherwise it'll be a waste of seed.
bikebomber1 2 years ago
@growitandsmokeit
Im sure someone told you by now, but if you want the most yeild i would go with HPS lights, although there expensive.
BigDH28 1 year ago
@BigDH28 not really i bought 400watt for £10
djpound1 1 year ago
What's stupid is that he's critical of the best results yet.
TheMetalPerson 2 years ago
Very nice videos and plants man. I'm looking into going led. how much would it cost for a setup for about 3 plants?
Bloods4Lif3 2 years ago
Can you tell me something about the yield on 1 M2 whit LED light?
And how many light you put on 1 M2?
btw, nice job
limbolimbo68 2 years ago
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and remove the stupid lenses, so you take advantage of the high beam, making you not need to have side panels at all. You concentrate vertical radiation beams on plants that you dont want to stretch.... thats inefficient.
cypherdelic 2 years ago
How come most reactions on YouTube are so incredibly stupid? You talk out of your ass about your Pytochromes, pretending to "know", but I bet you have never grown with Leds yourself.
HansMmmm 2 years ago 26
i'm sorry....
TheMetalPerson 2 years ago
@HansMmmm gettem
jerridrogers 1 year ago
@HansMmmm
hey man ive been researching the LED's..
such as the "UFO" what do you think?
im serious too
northsider707 1 year ago
@northsider707, I recommend setting up a DWC (Deep Water Culture) hydroponic setup ie. Oxy-Pot, with a UFO, nutes, [grow] medium and a fan and be on your way. I have a few plants now, not harvested yet, but by the end of the month should have at least one plant done. The internet is your friend... You can DIY it or eBay it, whichever works out cheaper. You can check my channel for great advice from Jorge Cervantes!
jamespd1 1 year ago
@HansMmmm WORD. Just saw a grow with a 300w led panel...goodbye HPS, so not worth the heat or E-Bill...if only the lights themselves didnt cost an arm, leg and nutt sack.
skatehappy101 1 year ago
@HansMmmm bro you should read reactions on worldstarhiphop
highnine9 9 months ago
Farreds (meaning Infrareds) supress Phytochrome-Farred, while Darkreds (meaning farreds) supress Phytochrome-Red. A reduction of Pfr due to Infraredradiation signalises shado, does not affect circadian clock and inactivates darkphase violations. I suggest you to run them 24h, removing the sidepanels and to increase height of your box, while reducing the amount of clones. the actual setzup thing looks quite stupid.
cypherdelic 2 years ago
You're spot on about the phytochrome stuff. I don't know why you're so critical about HansMmmm's grow, but to deny the phytochrome system is just closed minded.
660nm may be the most efficient photosynthetically, but maybe more importantly it raises %Pfr to maximum (theretically around 85% according to the absorbance curves of Pr and Pfr).
The %Pfr of a given section of plant determines how much it will stretch vs inter-cell production. This completely explains shade avoidance and plant shape
TheMetalPerson 2 years ago
No, I haven't grown with LED's, but the amount of mainstream material pin pointing the phytochrome system and its central role in plant shaping and sleep patterns along with watching various led grows over the years (data) suggests strongly that phytochrome is key. I have used other sources of lights including the sun to grow various types of plants and for some reason the leaves always know they're under a shadow.
I'm trying to work with you here. I think this setup is among the best so far.
TheMetalPerson 2 years ago
do you think the far-reds worked? I have been thinking those are key for years.
I know you want to do your next grow without them, but think about it. if it fails, people may not come to the conclusion that the 730nm leds were what did it, they'd simply think "another led failure". Maybe?
TheMetalPerson 2 years ago
lookin good
NatureLegalized 2 years ago
very nice
cool70200 2 years ago