To call this music reminds me on the people standing in awe in front of a fireextinguisher only because it hangs in a museum and some witty fellow had put a text on it, reading: 'plastic in red'. It has nothing to do with being openminded: This is noise and not music!
@tasteism oh, you are very unfair. this IS one of the best pieces of music written in 20th century, you HAVE to listen to the whole thing, I'm certain you'll love it too.
No, I happen to like the great composers of the past. Most of the current composers have little talent. You cannot compare someone like Lutoslawski to leagues of the greats like Wagner and Brahms.
Sure, the oboe is a wonderful instrument and this piece is hard to play, but the music is still not nice to listen to. There's nothing pleasing to the sound of it. There's no great melody or harmony. It simply isn't good.
I'm not saying all modern music is bad. There's many modern composers who have talent: John Williams, Howard Shore, Hans Zimmer, etc.; Though, it does seem their talent ends with movie scores. John Williams wrote a violin concerto and it was awful.
You cannot say that "most current composers have little talent." You just sound very stupid when you say something that brash... I'll be honest, I have difficulty listening to some modern music. You seem to miss the point... Lutoslawski is not trying to be Wagner or Brahms--that music has already been written! He's just pushing the boundaries and trying to do something new and not just stick to the traditional romantic styles from the late 1800s...
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No, he shouldn't copy someone else. But, he should compose something that's pleasing to listen to, which this is not and most modern music at the orchestra is.
Most modern movie music composers do have talent. It's when you go to Cleveland Orchestra to hear a nice piece of music and they have some other obscure new piece; those are all dreadful.
Well, now you are being inconsistent. You say composers shouldn't copy someone else, yet you say the modern movie music composers are the talented ones. I couldn't help take notice that you mentioned John Williams who, by the way, all but totally copied Wagner, Holst, Dvorak, etc. in his movie scores. The score to Star Wars, as great as it is, is a complete copy and paste job. Understand that because you don't find something pleasant, it does not mean it is bad or the composer is untalented...
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Modern composers may borrow some, but it's not a total copy. I'd still rather have a composer compose in the style of another than to write something that sounds horrible. Hoffmeister wrote a great viola concerto. His style reminds me of Mozart, but that concerto, especially since viola pieces are rare, is not without merit.
And, yes, if it's unpleasant to listen to then it IS bad. Art is to be enjoyed. If it makes you squirm in your seat, then it's not a very pleasurable experience.
keep an open mind... remember that when people first started listening to mozart he was not well received. the same is true for stravinsky. he caused a riot! new music is testing your experience and trying to move you along.
I have about as open of a mind as one can get, honestly. I just have my opinions like everyone else. I believe myself to be objective, except when I am angry. I think the thumbs up/down rating is silly, unless a comment is spam. I think discussing something is constructive, which I was doing, not just dissing something with shallowness.
I do love orchestral music, the oboe included with high regard. It's just, for me, traditional orchestral music peaked with Béla Bartók, or abouts.
I do think that the music leading up to the oboe's entrance is pleasant, as far as I can tell. And, I have heard modern works at Cleveland Orchestra that opened for the main event that haven't been bad. They're certainly interesting to watch when you're actually there at the music hall. You get to see some instruments that may not commonly be used in period music.
heinz holliger is one of, or simply the best oboe player in the world at the moment. the 'horrible' things you hear here are technically not quite that simple to achieve on an oboe: he's playing more thatn 1 note at the same time...
what he is playing is actually not that simple. 1) obviously it's modern music. so that means that it's rather abstract, and not bad or what so ever. 2) heinz holliger is playing something quite impossible on the oboe: 2 notes at the same time. i suppose you didn't figure this out...
hehehehe.... it is not terrible.... im not only a big fan of heinz but im also a lover of modern music.... listen to my rendition of an oboe concerto by zimmermann.... ill going to post it with in this month....
hehehehe.... it is not terrible.... im not only a big fan of heinz but im also a lover of modern music.... listen to my rendition of an oboe concerto by zimmermann.... ill going to post it with in this month....
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Texoki 9 months ago
and I love this moment, can someone explain what exactly is going on with the oboe then?
PawelWysocki 9 months ago
Let's keep in mind that this is only 30 seconds of the piece, people... can you really judge a piece on 30 seconds?
Joyboe1991 2 years ago
To call this music reminds me on the people standing in awe in front of a fireextinguisher only because it hangs in a museum and some witty fellow had put a text on it, reading: 'plastic in red'. It has nothing to do with being openminded: This is noise and not music!
tasteism 2 years ago
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PawelWysocki 9 months ago
@tasteism oh, you are very unfair. this IS one of the best pieces of music written in 20th century, you HAVE to listen to the whole thing, I'm certain you'll love it too.
PawelWysocki 9 months ago
god bless multiphonics!
EnglishHornBoy 2 years ago
w/e no matter skill is hard or not......
this song is a piece of crap
eonyou 3 years ago
i agree.
alayeldin 3 years ago
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I don't care if it's difficult to play. It is still awful sounding.
genmaximus110 3 years ago
you are an ignorant of modern music, genmaximus....
dondonoboe1 3 years ago
No, I happen to like the great composers of the past. Most of the current composers have little talent. You cannot compare someone like Lutoslawski to leagues of the greats like Wagner and Brahms.
Sure, the oboe is a wonderful instrument and this piece is hard to play, but the music is still not nice to listen to. There's nothing pleasing to the sound of it. There's no great melody or harmony. It simply isn't good.
genmaximus110 3 years ago
ok...
listen to my rendition of zimmermann oboe concerto...
its a modern music...
dondonoboe1 3 years ago
I'm not saying all modern music is bad. There's many modern composers who have talent: John Williams, Howard Shore, Hans Zimmer, etc.; Though, it does seem their talent ends with movie scores. John Williams wrote a violin concerto and it was awful.
genmaximus110 3 years ago
You cannot say that "most current composers have little talent." You just sound very stupid when you say something that brash... I'll be honest, I have difficulty listening to some modern music. You seem to miss the point... Lutoslawski is not trying to be Wagner or Brahms--that music has already been written! He's just pushing the boundaries and trying to do something new and not just stick to the traditional romantic styles from the late 1800s...
bene951 3 years ago 3
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No, he shouldn't copy someone else. But, he should compose something that's pleasing to listen to, which this is not and most modern music at the orchestra is.
Most modern movie music composers do have talent. It's when you go to Cleveland Orchestra to hear a nice piece of music and they have some other obscure new piece; those are all dreadful.
genmaximus110 3 years ago
Well, now you are being inconsistent. You say composers shouldn't copy someone else, yet you say the modern movie music composers are the talented ones. I couldn't help take notice that you mentioned John Williams who, by the way, all but totally copied Wagner, Holst, Dvorak, etc. in his movie scores. The score to Star Wars, as great as it is, is a complete copy and paste job. Understand that because you don't find something pleasant, it does not mean it is bad or the composer is untalented...
bene951 3 years ago 5
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Modern composers may borrow some, but it's not a total copy. I'd still rather have a composer compose in the style of another than to write something that sounds horrible. Hoffmeister wrote a great viola concerto. His style reminds me of Mozart, but that concerto, especially since viola pieces are rare, is not without merit.
And, yes, if it's unpleasant to listen to then it IS bad. Art is to be enjoyed. If it makes you squirm in your seat, then it's not a very pleasurable experience.
genmaximus110 3 years ago
keep an open mind... remember that when people first started listening to mozart he was not well received. the same is true for stravinsky. he caused a riot! new music is testing your experience and trying to move you along.
joethemusician 2 years ago
I have about as open of a mind as one can get, honestly. I just have my opinions like everyone else. I believe myself to be objective, except when I am angry. I think the thumbs up/down rating is silly, unless a comment is spam. I think discussing something is constructive, which I was doing, not just dissing something with shallowness.
I do love orchestral music, the oboe included with high regard. It's just, for me, traditional orchestral music peaked with Béla Bartók, or abouts.
genmaximus110 2 years ago
I do think that the music leading up to the oboe's entrance is pleasant, as far as I can tell. And, I have heard modern works at Cleveland Orchestra that opened for the main event that haven't been bad. They're certainly interesting to watch when you're actually there at the music hall. You get to see some instruments that may not commonly be used in period music.
genmaximus110 2 years ago
well done, bene 951! dieter ammann
dieterammann 2 years ago
@bene951 btw, no good incidental music can really be good on its own :) not in practice.
PawelWysocki 9 months ago
heinz holliger is one of, or simply the best oboe player in the world at the moment. the 'horrible' things you hear here are technically not quite that simple to achieve on an oboe: he's playing more thatn 1 note at the same time...
annoniemer 3 years ago 6
@annoniemer
they're actually multi phonics... not two notes at once.
(I'm an oboist)
KarenKupferberg 2 weeks ago
i think ive heard a 5th grade band play beetter than that
recoz22 4 years ago
what do you mean by beetter?
hehehehe
dondonoboe1 3 years ago 3
what he is playing is actually not that simple. 1) obviously it's modern music. so that means that it's rather abstract, and not bad or what so ever. 2) heinz holliger is playing something quite impossible on the oboe: 2 notes at the same time. i suppose you didn't figure this out...
annoniemer 3 years ago 3
horrible...
recoz22 4 years ago
why are you dissapointed...?
its not rubbish...
this is a very good music..
i like how versitile holliger is....
he is my idol.
dondonoboe1 4 years ago 2
mine as well!
oboistCONDUCTOR 4 years ago
god, that is terrible, why did they invent multiphonics? they're rubbush! Im very dissapointed about this peice, Heinz...
insanelollipop 4 years ago
Gotta love those multiphonics! :)
Oboesasms45 4 years ago
hehehe
oboistCONDUCTOR 4 years ago
It sounds like when you are dialing on a phone.
dgjiephfurreighR 4 years ago
hehehe.and you do without knowing at the beginning of your studies of course hehehe
oboistCONDUCTOR 4 years ago
Terrible..
kubanecek 4 years ago
it is not terrible...you are just ignorant
dondonoboe1 4 years ago
It is terrible, Your just a heinz holliger fanboy
loofascraper 4 years ago
hehehehe.... it is not terrible.... im not only a big fan of heinz but im also a lover of modern music.... listen to my rendition of an oboe concerto by zimmermann.... ill going to post it with in this month....
dondonoboe1 3 years ago 3
hehehehe.... it is not terrible.... im not only a big fan of heinz but im also a lover of modern music.... listen to my rendition of an oboe concerto by zimmermann.... ill going to post it with in this month....
dondonoboe1 3 years ago 3
Really the BEST! I agree with you spabunker
oboistCONDUCTOR 4 years ago
SEMPRE IL MIGLIORE
spabunker21 4 years ago
and sometimes funny! He is wonderful
oboistCONDUCTOR 4 years ago
Am I the only one who hears that shrill sound when heinz enters in...
EnglishHornYay 4 years ago
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rbaker111 4 years ago
los pelos de punta y justa en el climax se acaba... k pena!
OboeCrack 4 years ago
I wish this were complete.
sextetband 5 years ago
Employer oboist. He is an excellent oboist and Perfect musician.
obuacy 5 years ago