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  • every time i c a video about a muslim turning 2 christianity, the reason is COZ HE HEARD VOICES or A VOICE OR HE SAW JESUS lol, then of corse a visa is giving 2 him 2 go to the west & write a book & make money lol

  • 3) No amount of good works can atone the sin of man because sin is the trangression of God's law.

    Under God's law, no one is perfect because if one break a law, he fails the whole Law. The penalty of sin is death (means eternal separation from God). If there is no law, then there is no sin at all because sin is a measure against God's given law

    1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. More at positron6. blogspot. com

  • 2) Allah will send those to Hell who disobey him and there is no given provision of forgiveness for disobedience in this particular clause of the covenant and no certainty of whatever limits of sins.

    Sura/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ Verse 14. And whoso disobeyeth Allah and His messenger and transgresseth His limits, He will make him enter FIRE, where such will dwell for ever; his will be a shameful doom.

  • Is there any assurance of salvation for Muslims?

    1) Allah will forgive those whom He will and not for every one who believe. So how could Muslims be assured to enter Paradise?

    Sura 2: 284

    Unto Allah (belongeth) whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth; and whether ye make known what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will bring you to account for it. He will FORGIVE whom He will and He will punish whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things. (Pickthal Translation)

  • BEFORE the declaration of faith by a Gentile woman, Jesus tested her by telling her a proverb: It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

    AFTER she believed in Lord Jesus by her words and not by her action alone, she was called "O woman, great is thy faith..." (Mat 15:28). People with true faith in accomplished works of Jesus Christ are known as Christians.

    James 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works

  • Allah has decreed Muslims to enter Hell and He will never break it for sure. Mankind and jinn will fill Hell together. Which Muslims could be spared?

    No assurance of salvation except whom Allah has mercy and not for every one who believe!

    Sura/Chapter 011 - Hûd. Verse 119

    Save him on whom thy Lord hath mercy; and for that He did create them. And the Word of thy Lord hath been fulfilled: Verily I shall fill HELL with the jinn (demons) and mankind together.

  • Sura/Chapter 011 - Hûd. Verse 119

    Save him on whom thy Lord hath mercy; and for that He did create them. And the Word of thy Lord hath been fulfilled: Verily I shall fill HELL with the jinn (demons) and mankind together.

    Where is the WORD Muslims in the TEXTS??....the verse clearly talks about The Infidels among the Mankind and Jinn(demons) as the few lines below Expalins verse 121 of the same chapter ..just read few lines see 11:121 :+D

  • S 11: 119 refers to whom Allah has mercy and that mankind & jiin are gathered together to fill Hell. Imagine a glass FIll with water so is Hell fill with Muslims as Quran is speaking to Muslims and not to infidels. It clearly says "save" or "except" on whom Allah has mercy which means no salvation without Allah's mercy.

    S 11:121 refers to those who are unbelieving. These 2 verses are talking about separate categories of people. Hence a connecting word "And" begin at verse 121

  • Sura 19:71

    There is not one (NONE) of you but shall approach it (Hell). That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. (Pickthal Translation)

    The literal translation of the last verse cited is: "Not ONE of you but will enter it (Hell)". Muslim scholars say that all will be admitted to Hell but the believers will be rescued. When will he be rescued?

    Abdullah Ibn Rowaha said, "I remembered what Allah said :'No one of you but will enter it (Hell)'. I do not know if I will escape from it or not."

  • positron66 (

    Sura 19:71

    There is not one (NONE) of you but shall approach it (Hell).

    BUT whor are those [[ YOU ]]in the text???..whom The TEXTs Are reffering TO?

  • Sura 19:71 YOU = MUSLIMS

    Yusuf Ali

    Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

    Pickthal

    There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.

    Sher Ali

    And there is not one of you but will come to it. This is an absolute decree of thy Lord.

  • Believers of Jesus are no longer called dogs. Christians are promised paradise by Lord Jesus. Muslims are decreed to enter Hell Sura 19:71)

    Whosoever is removed from Fire will enter Paradise! Muslims will enter Hell while waiting to enter Paradise.

    Sura/Chapter 003 - Al-Imrân. Verse 185

    Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter PARADISE, he indeed is triumphant.

  • positron66 Muslims are decreed to enter Hell Sura 19:71)

    Whosoever is removed from Fire will enter Paradise! Muslims will enter Hell while waiting to enter Paradise..

    again where is the WORD "Muslims/ Beleiver in the Surah 19:17 in the TEXT??

    see U have Failed to ANSER me this Question

    Verese 17:19 talk about the PROMISE of SOME of Mankind whom deny Resurrections (as verse 17:66 state)..that they will doom to hell..and some of them( Infidels) Have NO eternal Damnation

  • Sura 2:62

    Pickthal Lo! Those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

  • positron66 (20 hours ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply | Spam Sura 2:62

    Pickthal Lo! Those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans

    I believe we have discussed this issue agian...PLEASE show us where is the WORD " CHRISTIAN= Masihieen" in the ARABIC TEXT...the word Used is "Nassarah=Nazoriens " not Masihieen= Christians

    Nassarah=Nazoriens were Israelites NOT gentiles dogs

  • 3 Quran Translators on Sura 2:62 mention it is "Christians" and you said it is Israelite?

    Khalifa

    ...those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts...

    Yusuf Ali

    ...those who follow the Jewish, and the Christians and the Sabians ...

    Pickthal

    ...those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans ...

    The above 3 witnesses have established the fact; yours is out. You're a Gentile and surely heading to Hell Sura 19:71 - Not one of you(Muslim) says Quran which speaks to Muslims

  • Are Israelites and Jews not the same? For in Christ, there is no Jew and no Greek.

    Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free ... for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

    Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

  • Matthew 15:22-28 .."I (JESUS) was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ..It is not right to take the children's (Israelites') bread and toss it to the [dogs](Gentiles

    Where the GOYS are, ♫♫♫♫♫ someone waits for me♫♫♫♫♫

    A smilin' face, a warm embrace, to a gentile Dog and gentile bitch ♫♫♫♫♫

    Where my DOGS are, my true love will be

  • BEFORE the non-Israelite believe in Lord Jesus, she was like a Gentile Dog.

    AFTER she believed in Lord Jesus, she was a Christian and a child of God. Jesus actually called her "O woman, great is thy faith..." And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt." And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. (Mat 15:27-28)

  • Apostle Paul wrote: ... God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. - (Gal 3:8) That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. - (Gal 3:14) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. - (Gal 3:26) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - (Gal 3:29)

  • Dogs are man's best friend.

    There is not one (none) of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. (Sura 19:71)

    Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.(Sura 19:72) Pickthal Translation

    Muslims are decreed to enter Hell (Sura 19:71) and some shall be removed from Hell (Sura 19:72). Who is the Savior for Muslims?

  • Another Question is beside Jesus Call U gentile DOGS

    What Make U believe in Pau Whom said by ( his OWN Words) to be EVIL ROM 7:21???

  • Christians are saved. How about your religion?

    Where is the promise for Muslims in the Quran to enter Paradise but it is guaranteed for Jews, Christians and Sabaeans?

    Sura 2:62

    Lo! those who believe and those who are Jews, and CHRISTIANs, and Sabaeans whoever believeth in God and the Last Day and doeth right surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall NO FEAR come upon them neither shall they grieve. (Sura 2:62) Pickthal

  • Evil = sin whereas Devil = Satan. Evil is not the same as devil.

    Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but SIN that dwelleth in me.

    Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil (Greek "kakos" for bad, evil, worthless) is present with me.

    Muslims are decreed to enter Hell (Sura 19:71) and some shall be removed from Hell (Sura 19:72). Who is the Savior for Muslims?

  • Every comment have to be supported by quotation from 2 witnesses in accordance with Mosaic law (Matt 18:16) otherwise it will be cast out.

    Who was the spirit that appeared to Mohammed at Hira cave? More comments at userID positron6 at blogspot

  • Gen 21:20 only mention Ishmael would begat 12 princes and make him a great tribe, no promise of land at all to him. Read again Gen 17:20 (KJV)

    Yes, Ishmael means "God will hear" and Isaac means "Laughter". Both name Isaac and Ishmael were given by YHWH (Gen 17:19 Gen 16:11). But the covenant was reaffirmed with Isaac in Gen 26:24 .. I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.

  • Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed (offspring) after thee in their generations.(KJV) If Ishmael was the promised one, why no mention of Ishmael's name?

    Gen 17:21 (YHWH said:)But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. (KJV) It is in plain English words that Ishmael would begat 12 great princes and no land at all (Gen 17:20) so he died in Egypt.

  • Obviously we are here to learn about the truth, nothing but the truth. If I wipe out all you have written, how do other Muslims know that your points raised to counter the Biblical truth, have been made to the fullest extent?

    God's law requires only 2 or 3 witnesses to put a man to death. This principle can apply to our question in hand to establish the matter. You need 2 authors and I have fulfilled it. Mosaic law on witnesses Deu 17:6 and Mat 18:16

  • GOOD GOOD ...THE truth IS KNOWN

    :+D

  • God's law requires only 2 or 3 witnesses to positron66

    put a man to death. This principle can apply to our question in hand to establish the matter. You need 2 authors and I have fulfilled it. Mosaic law on witnesses Deu 17:6 and Mat 18:16

    The Witness is YHWH himself as he said in The TEXTS...

    ANY OBJECTION?????

  • YHWH confirm by 2 prophets. Allah will gather Muslims and devils crouching around hell.

    Sura 19:68 And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the DEVILs, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

    Once in hell, there is no way out of it as told by Lord Jesus (Luke 16:26)But Christians are saved by Jesus who is from Abraham's seed

    Sura 3:55 ...I will make those who follow thee (Jesus) SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection (Yusuf Ali)

  • Sura 19:68 And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the DEVILs, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell

    Where is the WORD Muslim in the TEXT..it is NOT there...why DO U insert Things NOT in the TEXTS??

  • Who are them if not Muslims? Read 7 times for Sura 19:66-72 if you are unsure. Quran is speaking to Muslims and not to infidels who never bother it. It is an absurdity to say it refers to infidels and pagans when Messenger was to bring message to so-called muslims.

  • Whosover Muslim remove from Hell fire will enter paradise. But the cursed (Hebrew "Alah") devil will be thrown in the lake of fire. So no savior! If infidels be removed from Hell, then Allah is a liar at Sura 9:68 Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the DISBELIEVERS fire of hell for their abode... Allah curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment. Sura 3:185 Every soul will taste death...Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter PARADISE, he indeed is triumphant.

  • Sura 3:185 and Sura 19:66-72 are referring to Muslims because Quran is speaking to Muslims and not pagans or Gentiles dogs. Allah has decreed every Muslim to enter Hell for sure. Sura 19:71 There is Not One of you But shall approach it. That is a fixed Ordinance of thy Lord. (Pickthal Translation)

  • Isaac died in Hebron Gen 35:27-29 in the promised land of Canaan while Ishmael died in Gentiles land of Egypt (Gen 25:17-18)

    Did God say the one circumcised first shall be promised with land and be their God?

    Gen 17:21 (YHWH said:)

    But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. (KJV)

  • In fact Abrahamic covenant goes all the way from Gen 17:1-22 and does not stop at Verse 10.

    Gen 17:19-22 God said "...call his name ISAAC ... my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant and with his seed after him ...but my covenant will I establish with ISAAC." - it was a promise since he was not yet born. Abraham was then 99 years old (Gen 17:1), Ishmael 13 (Gen 16:16) and Sarah 89 (Gen 17:17).

    YHWH only stopped talking with Abraham and departed from him in Gen 17:22.

  • Are you serious?

  • Isaac died in Hebron Gen 35:27-29 in the covenant of the land of Canaan, an ancient term for a region encompassing present-day Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip, parts of Lebanon and Syria.

    Gen 17:8 "I (YHWH) will be their GOD". The covenant goes with the bloodline of Abraham whom YHWh declares "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob". One cannot find a single verse in the Bible "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Ishmael, the God of Nebajoth (Gen 25:13)"

  • positron66 and the God of Jacob". One cannot find a single verse in the Bible "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Ishmael, the God of Nebajoth (Gen 25:13)"

    GOD YHWH is with Ishmael GEN 20:20-21

    Gen 21:20-21 God was with the boy as he grew up.

    This GUY Ishmael is GOD with him..Can NOT be More Powerful than that

    Plus

    yhwh Name him through an Angel [ Ishmael means God hears . ]Genesis 16:11 very powerful name

  • Only Jesus has a powerful name as he performed many miracles. Jesus' name is above all names (Phi 2:9)Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name

    Gen 22:9 Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son...

    Gen 22:16 ...not withheld thy son, thine only son.

    That son is Isaac who was with Abraham and not the "cast out", Ishmael.

  • The promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. The scripture does not say 'and to Seeds', meaning many people, but 'and to your seed', meaning one person,.... but paul say that seed is Christ in (Galatians 3:16)...while YHWH say Ishmael(..so who to believe or who is right.. Paul or YHWH?

    :+D

  • With whom did God make an everlasting convenant?

    Gen 17:21 (YHWH said) BUT my covenant will I establish with ISAAC, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year (by promise)

    Convenant is made by promise and not by law. If it is of the law, then it is no longer a convenant.

    Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

  • Gen 17:1-10 is an Everlasting Covenant to Abraham and Ishmael(since Ishmael was the First to be circumcised)

    BUt paul in Gal 3:15-16 is Talking about The SEED NOT the two Covenants

  • First time God said to Abraham Gen 12:1-3 and appeared to him in Gen 12:7. Second, God was covenanting with him in a vision Gen 15:1-18. Third, God appeared to Abraham and was covenanting with him all the way from Gen 17:1-22. As YHWH was still speaking to Abraham, the covenant was with him and not with Ishmael nor Isaac. Hence in Gen 17:21 God said to Abraham "But my covenant will I establish with Isaac..." - promise when he was not yet born. The promise of land was fulfilled in Genesis 28:13

  • Ishmael died in Egypt (Gentiles nation) for sure (Gen 25:17-18); Abraham and Ishmael never enter Arabia and built Kaabah in Mecca (Sura 2:125)

    Abraham died at age of 175 years and buried at east of Mamre (Gen 25:7-9) or Kiriath-arba that is, Hebron, where Isaac was also buried (Gen 35:27-29)

    Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man ...

    Gen 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, ... which is before Mamre (Hebron)

  • Based on Yahweh's own words

    Gen 21:12 in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed (posterity) BE CALLED (Hebrew "qara" for called or CHOSEN).

    Mat 20:16 (Jesus said) So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few CHOSEN.

    Gen 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation (Hebrew "Goy" for foreign nation - hence, Gentile nation), because he is thy seed (posterity).

  • The seed is Jesus Christ through Isaac the son of Abraham. One see that nation of Israel inherit the promised land Canaan. Israel nation still exist today!

  • great DO NOT FOLLOW the teaching of YHWH  ..But ..follow your OWN whim and The Satan (Paul) ..if you want NOT to be saved

  • Christians believe both YHWH and Jesus. How about you?

    Where is the promise for Muslims in the Quran to enter Paradise but it is guaranteed for Jews, Christians and Sabaeans?

    Sura 2:62

    Lo! those who believe and those who are Jews, and CHRISTIANs, and Sabaeans whoever believeth in God and the Last Day and doeth right surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall NO FEAR come upon them neither shall they grieve. (Sura 2:62) Pickthal Translation

  • The PROMISES were spoken to Abraham and "his SEED"[[[ NOTHING TO DO ABOUT the  Two Covenants Abrahamic Gen17:1-10 In which Ishmael is in it since he the was First to be to be circumcised) nor the Isaainic Covenant Gen17:21 ]].... The scripture does not say 'and to SEEDS', meaning many people, but 'and to your SEED', meaning one person.

    Paul say that seed is Christ in (Galatians 3:16)

    while YHWH say Ishmael

  • Gen 21:12 But God said unto Abraham "... for in Isaac shall thy seed (offspring) be called".

    Clue, covenant includes (Gen 17:8) "I (YHWH) will be their GOD".

    Gen 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, "I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of ISAAC: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed"

    Ishmael did not inherit the land in Canaan as told in Gen 25:17

  • If Ishmael was in Abrahamic covenant and yet died in Gentile land Egypt, then YHWH had broken his covenant. Gen 17:8 "I (YHWH) will be their GOD".

    Gen 25:17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people. Gen 25:18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt (Gentiles nation), as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren.

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