I love being "worldly" and being married to a "worldly" wife. I look back to when I was married to a pioneer and how she never paid a damn penny for the 8yrs we were married. I do remember the day I forgot my wallet and ask her for $2 dollars at White Castle 4 some burgers. With a stright face she said "when are u going to pay me back"? That's the moment the light in my head went off. Next day I moved out and filed 4 divorce. I only regret waiting so long. Current wife is so amazing 4 10yrs nw.
I don't pretend to have all the answers of life. I don't know how we came to life, I don't know where we go after we leave. What I do know is that JW's don't have the exclusive phone number to God. They're very good at condemning others while they preach in the kingdom hall how they're all gonna live forever. I use to believe all the same bullshit as Exgil. did, but I woke up as well to the truth.
10 Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.
11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah,
8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 10 Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise,
5 For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
. 3 For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”
part 1 welll why dont you talk about the year 1914 and explain the reason why it is a remarkable year: dont talk so much : explain to me first: does God not exist if the dates are wrong? did you serve Jehovah only because a certain date is mentioned: the society does teach that we serve Jehovah just because He is God Almighty! we believe HE created men and thats enough reason to keep HIS Commandments. not from a date nor till a date But because He is God. oh yes i have much more to say:
@afterraincomessun its sad to know YOU are in the dark or choose to be in dark on certain things.....if you only knew the TRUE history of the JWs, you WILL be astonished, yes, afraid too! But only if you choose to truly dig deep into the origins....
I think those JW's that post negitive comments are simply afraid to realize that if they open their eyes to the real truth, then they will have to face the real fact that there is no God. Simply life and death. Heaven and Hell are bullshit. All we have is today! So enjoy your life, family and moments that matter coz soon they will all be gone. Life is too short to be locked up in a kingdom hall being told how to live your life, and what postion you can make love without being reproved.
I don't understand how so many people can interpret what you are saying as being negative. You're not "bad mouthing" anyone's God or religion. You are presenting evidence that is contrary to the alleged teachings of the WTBTS. Unfortunately, once you start pointing out the flaws in the belief bubble that a lot people exist in, they get defensive and afraid. I found your videos very informative. Please continue sharing your finds. very interesting indeed.
As an Ex-Jehovah's witness I personally don't want to turn anyone away from their faith. Religion seems to me to be the crutch that the unknowing uses to get them through the day. By definition there can only be one true religion... The fact that their are many Christian religions is enough evidence for me to come to know that no one has the truth. Truth is truth and new light cannot be used as an excuse for believing in a lie. If that was true then ALL Christians are true by definition.
@huggysh ......There can only be one true religion. Jesus thinks the same way as you do. He said "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father except by me." It is refreshing to know that a person in this present age agrees with Jesus.
@jamesandchante Have you seen the hoopla about Harold Camping? JWs had a similar origin. They invented dates, and then had to attach a spiritual significance to their failed predictions, exactly as Camping is doing and will continue to do.
@ExGileadMissionary Yes, I have noticed this too. That is the main reason why I am not a JW anymore. I find it desturbing that JWs in my age group have repeatedly been told that they GB never gave false predictions even though they have. I was given some older JW books, and I saw the false predictions for myself.
I have always known 1919 was important, but I never really understood how the Governing Body "knew" it was significant. Yet, all of the older JWs I knew seemed to understand when I asked them about it. I never doubted that it was true, I thought I was just not smart enough to get it.
Maybe you look in the mirror and feel good about yourself everyday because you are an Ex and can speak negatively against the good news of the kingdom that is being proclaim earth wide before the end comes. However, Jesus urgered his listeners saying that if you don't believe me believe the works and yet he always spoke the truth John14:11; Mt.11:19. What works do you have to show? Pr 11:9
I think that what you really fail to realize is the refinement process. God's word of truth has always been just that pure and the truth, not so with imprefect man. They have to be refined over and over until they can handle it. No Witness that I know is trying to be wise in their own eyes. I have never seen a word that was based on their own originality, but humble correction of errors I have seen and appreciated.
@swahie226 You said that "you have never seen a word that was based on their own originality" - I have seen many! Try comparing the NWT with the Greek Manuscript!
Do you really believe that those self-appointed men in the Governing Body are the only men that God uses for spiritual insight?
Read: John 17:17;8:31,32: Pr.4:18 the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. Dan.12:4;11:32 The Jews had the truth, but they didn't understand, Apollos had the truth but didn't fully understand, having a wrong understanding has never comdemed a servant of God, but when being corrected and not making the needed change does everytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whenever i try to question anything by doing my own research.. I get told that perhaps i dont know anything because i dont go to the kindom hall enough, or
I dont study bible aide publications enough or
"you would have known the answer to that question, had it not been for the fact that you arent a publisher yet and arent even on the road to baptism"
But im like hell... Stop being evasive and answer my questions!!! My parents are devout JWs and sometimes id rather be
(((_{-_-}_)))dates are very important to the freemasons too, very important, and another thing that are always using the name jahovah when god the creater has no name but people give him many names, any time you give god a name you assume that you have idenifted god, but god cant be idenified because hes god, and when i pray to he i like being personal with him {dear father in heaven creater of all, thank you for jesus and this life, how can i serve you so that i may be accounted worthy} like so
I agree with ExGM's comment that in order to debate Biblical beliefs with a JW, or anyone else for that matter, one MUST use the Bible, whether one BELIEVES in it or not. Ex's approach has always been "if YOU (the watcher) believe the Bible, then let's examine IT to determine whether the WTS interpretation of it is correct or not." he never attacks the Bible itself as "untrue" and leaves that up to each individual.
@DJMaul1031 This guy never once said what JW's believe concerning 1919, all he does is talk about how questionable the date is from his view point. He reminds me of Korah, not really making any sense, just going against his own best interest only to prove that the rebellious nature that we all posses can make a lot of destructive noise if it choose to. He comes across like someone that was planted in the organization just to seem 2 others that he knows what he is talking about. Get a life dude!
@ExGileadMissionary The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
Respond to this video...The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
@ExGileadMissionary The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
@virgiliogarrett Judas and the religious of his day had the same mind set that you are sporting today, wear it as well as you wish however, for those who listen to the masters voice no one like you will be able to take them from his hands all you can do is gather those like yourself, with the same mind-set! Too bad that you never got to know Jehovah so that you would have known that there is nowhere else to find him
When I found out that 607 is not supported by mainstream historians, I brought the issue before my parents, who are devout Jehovah's Witnesses. They told me the same thing, "do not put emphasis on dates." Typical JW brainwashing. When someone fails to reason that if 607 is wrong than 1914 must be wrong and therefore Jesus wasn't crowned king and the last days never started in 1914. And therefore the GB must not be chosen by Jehovah. I then wonder "dang how did I escape their brainwashing?"
@zerotowatch The exact same thing happened to me. My mother even went far enough to claim that the proof I pulled from websites such as British Museum's was not accurate and Satan had planted it there. Which was very annoying.
@Mawerick77 I couldn't believe what my parents were telling me. In addition, they told me, "Dates are not important." And that I should be more dependent on waiting on the day of Jehovah as more important. I thought well isn't that still puting emphasis on dates? I immediately responded with, "well tell that to the watchtower. They're the ones who insist that we believe that 1914 was when Jesus was crowned king."
@Mawerick77 what makes it even more frustrating was when i got around to asking other witnesses about the profecy of the gentile times. JW's go about preaching on the basis that other people are ignorant about their belief's. But yet if i asked a regular JW to explain this profecy they're ignorant about how to explain it. This is a fundamental teaching and yet they are ignorant about it. Which just goes to show that JW's blindly accept whatever the watchtower tells them as the truth.
@zerotowatch The dates you are talking about has nothing to do with the truth that is being taught from the Bible. Those dates are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in becoming free from the false teachings that are dominating the world. If you choose to go back to such falsehood that is on you but you need to stop trying to block the way to Jehovah God for others
@virgiliogarrett Beware of those that say "progress". Those that say "progress" are likely trying to control you. Of course watchtower chronology has nothing to do with the bible. That is the point. But really, If you can prove to me using secular sources that jerusalem was destroyed in 607, I will gladly believe what the watchtower teaches.
@zerotowatch Here is a secular source for you wiki:Cyrus in Babylon and the Jewish connection"Traditionally, these passages in Isaiah were believed to pre-date the rule of Cyrus by about 100 years, however, most modern scholars date Isaiah 40-55(often referred to as Deutero-Isaiah), toward the end of the Babylonian exile(ca. 536 BCE). Now add the 70 years (Dan 9:2-4)
@zerotowatch 536 + 70 = 606 Notice the word Traditionally, well, JW's didn't form the tradition. Ok, you are probably thinking this still don't add up to 607 however those same traditionalist may have choosen not to use a zero in their calculations where JW's did. If there is one thing I have learnt from becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses that is that traditions have a lot of holes in it. (Mat 15: 2-6)
@zerotowatch Although JW's put emphasis on 607 in their writing they offen put 606-607 Zero, written 0, is both a number[1] and the numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. It plays a central role in mathematics as the additive identity of the integers, real numbers, and many other algebraic structures. As a digit, 0 is used as a placeholder in place value systems. In the English language, 0 may be called zero, nought or
@zerotowatch Is the zero that you are using to identify yourself your way of saying that JW's missed the year 606 by one year? regardless, the Bible is clear on the fact that there is only one faith and all of those that are spending all of their time worry about JW's claim to have just that are not spending any real time showing how it is that they have the real faith. Because we will come to your house to talk about God but you won't come to mine!!!!!!
I'm sorry to see how some of the comments left about your Vids are very rude to you. Oh, well, I guess that's because the god of the watchtower is going to murder us!
dates are important to them, when i applied for baptism there was actually a test and I had to be familiar with the fuckin 1914 chronology. I was never disfellowshipped (not that I care) i simply just said fuckit and stopped going.
@joepublisher1 The will never step up. Because, conveniently, they have been told that participating in such discussions is a sin. How convenient. However, some will see these videos and will not be able to avoid the questions in their mind. Props to Ex G!
@ExGileadMissionary sorry bro but you cant DEMAND a damn thing from me...like jack nickolson siad " you gotta ask me nicely" ...ask nicely and ill think about it..
@deathorglory100 I ask because the word "demand" appears in the Bible, not that I am demanding an answer. FTR, I don't believe in the Bible, but if you do, you accept its authority, I suppose? If you, like me, don't, then it's a moot point.
@ExGileadMissionary Well you dont believe in the bible so its a moot point even if i did because how can we talk about something that you dont believe in?
That would be ridiculous, dont you think?
Im not sure why you do these videos if you use the Bible, a book that you dont beleive in, to quote points, butress certain claims and so on....its a little strange but o well...to each his own you know...whatever floats your boat.
@deathorglory100 You sent me a PM a few days ago that said: "im glad you are posting all of these videos and getting people like you out of the organization".
I post about the Bible because JWs believe in it, and I have to work with what they believe to make them reason that their beliefs are not in the Bible. What they do with that knowledge is up to them.
I believed in the Bible most of my life, and have read it at least 7 times, studying it verse by verse in Gilead. Which led to non-belief
@ExGileadMissionary well its not for everybody. there is no one religion that appeals to all the masses.
To each his own i say...and yes it is good that you as a none believer are doing your work that way people can opt to not come into the organization, or leave if they want to...really nobody is going to beat a path to their door begging them to come back simple because they left based on some video the found here on YOUTUBE.
From his video it is not clear whether he believes the Bible or not. He is pointing out inconsistency with JW and Watchtower teachings. You could not believe the Bible at all but see or not see the inconsistencies in teaching of different groups.
Most Christian people over the world would argue they believe Bible literally and that JW believe their own modified book, with replaced commas, added commentary, and false translations.
@StopFear yea anybody can argue this point ad infinitum....i rather sip my vodka, enjoy a good chess game and kick it with freinds and family while others debate this topic to death here in YOUTUBE land... yawwn....take care and good night!
@deathorglory100 Ex believing the Bible isn't really the point of this video. I think his point is how JW doctrine compares to the Bible. I'm sure as an ex-witness there may be some bitterness there; that's human. But it doesn't make his argument less valid. Also, a man who's studied as a JW as he did has the right to talk about why doesn't believe it. Only the people who believe can talk about it? That's not fair.
@Jewelsheam yea ok. i dont care what people say because i worship what i want, when i want it... i dont let anybody or anything tell me otherwise. in reality it does nto matter to me what this guy thinks or believes because i do as i please just as he does and as you do...
sometimes i get bored and post stuff here....in other words i poste when i get bored...i will not let a silly video determine what i want to do or beleive in.
Dude, awesome work. I dont believe I have seen anyone more proactive at taking JW's teachings under a microscope. I love the fact that you are not JW - bashing. You examine everything intellectually and respectfully. Im sorry to say that with my sister I reach an impass when she switches to her "lalala i cant hear you mode" because anything that questions her faith means I am subverting it.
Thank you for your videos. You are the first person I took seriously and logically at finding answers to some of my questions about the org. Thank you for helping those of us who are trying to leave or have left but are still trying to figure things out.:)
@lipvixen Cheers man, and remember dont feel bad. Just because you leave doesnt mean you dont believe in God. And if you dont believe thats fine too. First you must be truthful to yourself.
Jehovah thru jesus appointed a faithful slave class where a central governing body emerged. That group that took the lead in managing the sheep in their care and was simply POINTING to these dates as markers in time so as to point out where prominent events would happen. There is no need for 1919 to have any Biblical mention or 1914. In fact Revelation mentions no dates and JWs use the dates for what they are MEANT to be used for mainly to point out some significant event. .. :)
So the "significant event" is more important than the date? Well, hell, we can leave dates out of it if you want. You still have no legs to stand on when you start examining what "happened" in 1919 and "why it was significant."
You are splitting hairs by bringing up the "we don't care about dates" argument. There is a wealth of information out there that can logically break down those events and expose them as fraudulent!
@joel474 you are saying that the bible implicated, that the WTBTS and the Governing Body would be the mouthpiece of Jesus and channel of Jehovah, and that these men who use the dates 1914 and 1919, among many as proof that they are the" Only True Religion" ? But yet you tell us that the dates aren't important?
@jaymurtii The Governing Body are the "self proclaimed" sole channel of communication for God. That is a very lofty claim, especially considering they have no proof of this except the fact that THEY say so.
@joel474 "POINTING" is one of those vague constructs that can be defined to mean anything. As the "light gets brighter" it can slip, slide and form to whatever a member of the Writing Committee makes up. These dates had significant meaning during the early times of the Witnesses since Russell was trying to predict Armageddon, Admitting the dates have no Biblical basis now would be detrimental to Watchtower teachings. So it's "swept under the rug" in the hopes nobody notices.
@japlha exactly, now think of the consequences of what these false teachings have done. People have left their families, husbands , wives because this is the "truth" and when none of these dates make sense, who is to blame? Who will take responsibility of pain and suffering?
@punchy001 - all persons that get baptized agree to the terms of their congregation membership. If they suffer because of family ties being broken due to disfellowshipping, it's the fault of the sinner, not the WT Society. plz no four letter words jack ass
@myxyzaccount Hey, you make the rules on your own fucking (7 letters - that OK?) channel. Profanity is fine on this one. Especially since God is one to be mocked.
@myxyzaccount Let me ask you this, Let's say you study the Bible with someone, and they decide to leave their former religion and become JWs, and their family begins to persecute them for leaving their church or synagogue, etc., do you blame your student, or do you blame the religion, because its false?
@ExGileadMissionary - there's no blame in people deciding for themselves what they want to do on either side. I cannot help it if people are so stupid that they cannot decide which teachings they want to follow. I say teach the truth and forget about religion. People are idiots. I know jw's that have done really stupid things, like yourself for instance.
@myxyzaccount dont know about you but I was baptized at a youg age and before this gradually brainwashed into this religion. Religion should be taught to adults only, since youths do not posess the proper reasoning and insight to make any determinations. Ultimately I realized I baptized because my friends did it and for fear of losing relationships and that is one of the principal pressures JW's impose on children. and fuck you for being on this channel reading what youre not supposed to.
@joel474 - There is no need for 1919 to have any Biblical mention or 1914. In fact Revelation mentions no dates and JWs use the dates for what they are MEANT to be used for mainly to point out some significant event. .. :)
Like Armageddon? the Resurrection? the Double Portion of the Holy Spirit? which event is true?
@myxyzaccount why are you even here?? either you are someone that is not happy where he(she) is at or you are a fuckin idiot with nothing better to do than incite anger in others. Im not angry by the way, ... mostly annoyed.
@myxyzaccount : YES! Yes it does! We should all be preaching 1914 from the rooftops and especially to Political leaders. They need to hear about 1914 before the blood soaked War of HarMageddon comes and destroys any living thing not associated with the Watchtower Bible and tract society of Pennsylvannia or New York. SOrry i forget which corp takes priority.
@joel474 - You're about 130 years too late. According to the old Watchtower books & magazines Harmageddon happened in 1914. and this was preached from the rooftops to the political leaders already. but sucks for them that they didn't listen. oh well, It's their loss!
@OurGr8God : Hey wat r u some kinda wise guy? Come on man! Go put on your suit and service bag and go door to door with this 130 yr old message!!! You will have a blast Enjoy! Feel the joy! Embrace the love! Your first love awaits! Put the kingdom first and aLL these Other things Wil be added to u, free of charge...And this showcase can be yours if the price is right! The price is only your........... MIND.
@joel474 - I don't want to correct you, but, shouldn't we put the "organization" first and all these embarrasements will be added to u fee of charge? lol!
1919 is important in retrospect to the JWs is because it was simply the first year after ww1 & the beginning of Rutherford's transformation of the IBSA into Jehovah's Witnesses org 13 years later.As a side note,a sister(or cousin) organization to the JWs,God's Kingdom Society,also accepts both 1914 & 1919 as significant dates.The Nation of Islam in the USA accepts the JW version of 1914 as well.
@jaymurtii :There is no 'biblical evidence' of '1919.Only 'surmise' & late 19th century 2nd Adventist reinterpretations of previous 'biblical chronological' surmise by Russell & others..
@yorubablk3 You must have a alternative agenda, if all you have is SURMISE. If your comments are going to be based off of BS, at least make it comical.
@jaymurtii No,no 'alternative agenda..just little patience for using 'biblical' language to describe a 'matter of fact' occurrence.Even if that 'matter of fact' occurrence is about a group that cloaks its practical activity in 'biblical' language.
@jaymurtii And the 'matter of fact' occurrence in this instance was the process of transforming a group of people who understood events one way(the pre WWI ISBA) into a group who understands those same events a different way( the post WW1 Jehovah's witnesses)..especially when such transformation takes place inside of one 'group'( ie; the believers in the Watchtower society's veiw of the world)
@MrIcetreyman we are on the same page, I was asking the JW Passer-Byers to prove that 1919 has scriptural backing. There hasn't been a response yet because they have to make one up. Believe you/me when I say that the WTBTS is taking notice of these channels, and will try to response in a WatchTower in 6 to 8 months.
@jaymurtii The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
You use the term 'Truth' as if the Watchtower only presents the 'Truth'. So Jesus returned in 1874. That was once the 'Truth'. Armageddom came about in 1914. That was once the 'Truth'. What was the 'Truth' about 1925? I won't even mention 1975 because I was there and I know what was being said. The 'Truth' is whatever the Watchtower Society says it is, right? Lie after lie after lie. Satan is the father of the lie. The Watchtower Society has been influrenced by their father.
@yorubablk3 Come on... Either you are lying or you are just ignorant of why 1919 is an important date to JWs. It was not just simply the first year after ww1 and the beginning of Rutherfords transformation from IBSA into JW. For one thing 1919 is not the date that the name was changed to Jehovah's Witnesses. It was still the IBSA then. Also, the date is "significant" because they say it fulfills bible prophecy of both Daniel and Revelation. Do even know how they calculated 1914 to begin with?
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Yes,i do know how 19th century 2nd Adventist & Russellites came up with 1914.And i do know also how 1919 was subsequently reinterpreted and given more 'weight' by both Rutherford loyalist(who became JWs,later) & Rutherfordite detractors(principally those organized around the ministry of P.S.L.Johnson) after 1919 had passed.
@yorubablk3 You're right. 1914 was originally taught by John Aquila Brown. I'm not sure if he was Adventist or not... But I do know the Adventists picked it up. What is interesting is that until a few years ago, the JW's claimed that Russell originated the teaching and use this as proof that they are God's organization. According to early WT's Russell was originally disgusted by time prophecys. But the Adventists were able to change his thoughts with their wacky dates, and he ran with it.
@yorubablk3 I'll tell you how. They believed that Jesus sat on the throne in 1874. Likewise Jesus began his ministry in 30CE. Jerusalem was destroyed 40 years later. So they tacked on 40 years to 1874 and tada! 1914! They also used pyramid measurements to support the date. It was not til MUCH MUCH later that they came up with the date using the process of seven times from 607 that they use now. So either educate yourself on the truth, or say nothing at all. I'm tired of the excuses and lies.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Yes,the Rutherfordites did exactly that- by reinterpreting previous pre WWI russelite chronological supposition & surmise..which itself was based on previous discussions about & interpretations of Jesus' return from an mid 19th century Adventist position.
@yorubablk3 The main reason that 1919 is important to JWs, though, is that they believe that they were released from "spiritual captivity" in that year and that Jesus had made his decision that they were to be the faithful and discreet slave. What is interesting to note is that until the late 20's they believed that Russell alone was the faithful and discreet slave. So who did Jesus appoint in 1919? Russell was already dead.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Your question "So who did Jesus appoint in 1919? Russell was already dead?"Gets to the heart of my post here about 1919 & its significance to the JWs.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 My point being that the year 1919 takes on increasing 'importance' only in 'retrospect' as it relates to 'russellite chronological speculation' & theology due to the transformation of that same pre 1919 theology to post 1919 Russellite theology as interpreted by Rutherford.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 The year 1919 thus becomes an important date in Watchtower mythos because it is a major 'sign post' ,ie, the beginning of the transformation of the ISBA community from its pre WW1 'Russelites' beginnings into the Rutherfordian JWs of the world war interim era.A transformation that began earnestly in 1919 & culminated 20 years later in 1939.
@yorubablk3 I see what you're saying here. But this isn't the way Jehovah's Witnesses would explain it. It's all true, and it's actually correct to the outsider. But the "rank and file" would not explain it this way nor understand it in this way. They would simply state that this was the year that they were released from spiritual captivity from "Babylon" and that because of this "release" they were chosen by Jesus to be his "faithful and discreet slave".
@TitusChapter1Verse11 lol..true!BTW i wasn't trying to be 'antagonistic' in this ,or any other of my post.I am related by blood to 5 generations of JWs..& while i never 'fell for it',i'm very familiar with them.
@yorubablk3 Naw, I didn't take your comments as antagonistic. Maybe I was on my responses (unintended). The deeper you go into their dates theologies, the stranger and obviously untrue it becomes. It's amazing.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Yes,dealing with the JWs,especially if they are beloved family members..is 'interesting' ..& their beliefs 'strange,untrue'..and yes 'amazing'.Although i might characterize them 'differently'...But as i love my family members that are fanatical JWs, i'll be polite in the terms i use.lol
"In this time of the end, Christ has committed "all his belongings" - all the earthly interests of the Kingdom - to his "faithful and discreet slave" and its representative Governing Body, a group of anointed Christian men. The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ."
So all of you here that question the GB are questioning...JESUS!!!
I wanted to share with everyone a comment from the 9/15/2010 WT
"Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit anointed Christians contribute to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God's Word. Thus, what is taught is NOT from men, but from Jehovah. (Isa 54:13)"
So whatever they say about 1919 is correct! I'm glad I came to my sense about this.
@EastGateShut Yes, anyone can get the study issues of the WT. Go to jw.org and click on the downloads tab. Then click on "Digital Magazines" on the left sidebar. These are pdfs of the study issues.
Your JW friends would have it by now from their kingdom hall or from this download as well.
What is funny about all the Witnesses that tell you that dates are not important...they are disagreeing with the Watchtower! If they were honest and have been in the organization for at least a few years (at least during the time that the Daniel book and Revelation book were studied) they would know that dates are EXTREMELY important. What non-witnesses don't know is how important they STILL are. The 7 trumpet blasts have modern 20th century fullfillments today according to the WT.
i never realized there was a gap without continuity like that
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I love being "worldly" and being married to a "worldly" wife. I look back to when I was married to a pioneer and how she never paid a damn penny for the 8yrs we were married. I do remember the day I forgot my wallet and ask her for $2 dollars at White Castle 4 some burgers. With a stright face she said "when are u going to pay me back"? That's the moment the light in my head went off. Next day I moved out and filed 4 divorce. I only regret waiting so long. Current wife is so amazing 4 10yrs nw.
flyingrv6 4 months ago
I don't pretend to have all the answers of life. I don't know how we came to life, I don't know where we go after we leave. What I do know is that JW's don't have the exclusive phone number to God. They're very good at condemning others while they preach in the kingdom hall how they're all gonna live forever. I use to believe all the same bullshit as Exgil. did, but I woke up as well to the truth.
flyingrv6 4 months ago
14 Hence, beloved ones, since YOU are awaiting these things, do YOUR utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace.
so no mistake in dates will show that Jehovahs day will not come :
is not that wat you wanted to say.
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
10 Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.
11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah,
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 10 Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise,
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
5 For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
. 3 For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
now dates are important :
we have reasons to believe that we live in the last days:
prophecies in matthew 24
daniel 2
revelation etc
we know that we are in critical times
and the end will come:
2 Peter 3:1-18
3 For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
@afterraincomessun its sad to know YOU are in the dark or choose to be in dark on certain things.....if you only knew the TRUE history of the JWs, you WILL be astonished, yes, afraid too! But only if you choose to truly dig deep into the origins....
TrueAriesRocks 3 months ago
@TrueAriesRocks you are in the dark my friend about what i know!but the heart plays its role
8 For his mouth of discretion a man will be praised, but one who is twisted at heart will come to be for contempt.
its not the facts but what you conclude about them .
you are far to negative.
i bet you could even conclude that GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
THATS FAR TO SMART A THOUGHT FROM A MORTAL SOUL.
AND GOD DOES WHAT HE WANTS AND USES WHOM HE LIKES
ITS NOT EVEN A PRIVILIGE BUT A PUNISHMENT SOMETIMES(PAUL)
afterraincomessun 3 months ago
@afterraincomessun ...Yes, I do believe in GOD :) peace and blessings to you my friend..
TrueAriesRocks 3 months ago
I think those JW's that post negitive comments are simply afraid to realize that if they open their eyes to the real truth, then they will have to face the real fact that there is no God. Simply life and death. Heaven and Hell are bullshit. All we have is today! So enjoy your life, family and moments that matter coz soon they will all be gone. Life is too short to be locked up in a kingdom hall being told how to live your life, and what postion you can make love without being reproved.
flyingrv6 6 months ago
@flyingrv6 you have perhaps never heard of DNA
and perhaps you rather believe some who say that this is a product of evolution?
afterraincomessun 4 months ago
dates are just as TWISTED as a mind that thinks an elephant can ride a bicycle with one leg...
i wonder if a jehovah's witloss thinks / believes that 1+1= 1914
i wonder if a jehovah's witloss thinks that 0 - 0 = 1975
afterray 6 months ago
I don't understand how so many people can interpret what you are saying as being negative. You're not "bad mouthing" anyone's God or religion. You are presenting evidence that is contrary to the alleged teachings of the WTBTS. Unfortunately, once you start pointing out the flaws in the belief bubble that a lot people exist in, they get defensive and afraid. I found your videos very informative. Please continue sharing your finds. very interesting indeed.
sparkyva2 8 months ago 4
@sparkyva2 Thanks.
ExGileadMissionary 8 months ago
As an Ex-Jehovah's witness I personally don't want to turn anyone away from their faith. Religion seems to me to be the crutch that the unknowing uses to get them through the day. By definition there can only be one true religion... The fact that their are many Christian religions is enough evidence for me to come to know that no one has the truth. Truth is truth and new light cannot be used as an excuse for believing in a lie. If that was true then ALL Christians are true by definition.
huggysh 8 months ago
@huggysh ......There can only be one true religion. Jesus thinks the same way as you do. He said "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father except by me." It is refreshing to know that a person in this present age agrees with Jesus.
etcharrison 7 months ago
Where are you... Why don't you provide more interesting videos???
huggysh 8 months ago
@huggysh Busy... but hope to make some more in a few months.
ExGileadMissionary 8 months ago
What do you think 1919 is really about?
jamesandchante 9 months ago
@jamesandchante Have you seen the hoopla about Harold Camping? JWs had a similar origin. They invented dates, and then had to attach a spiritual significance to their failed predictions, exactly as Camping is doing and will continue to do.
ExGileadMissionary 9 months ago
@ExGileadMissionary Yes, I have noticed this too. That is the main reason why I am not a JW anymore. I find it desturbing that JWs in my age group have repeatedly been told that they GB never gave false predictions even though they have. I was given some older JW books, and I saw the false predictions for myself.
jamesandchante 7 months ago
I have always known 1919 was important, but I never really understood how the Governing Body "knew" it was significant. Yet, all of the older JWs I knew seemed to understand when I asked them about it. I never doubted that it was true, I thought I was just not smart enough to get it.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Maybe you look in the mirror and feel good about yourself everyday because you are an Ex and can speak negatively against the good news of the kingdom that is being proclaim earth wide before the end comes. However, Jesus urgered his listeners saying that if you don't believe me believe the works and yet he always spoke the truth John14:11; Mt.11:19. What works do you have to show? Pr 11:9
swahie226 9 months ago
@swahie226 I am not starting a religion. Are you saying that your belief system is not subject to criticism?
ExGileadMissionary 9 months ago
I think that what you really fail to realize is the refinement process. God's word of truth has always been just that pure and the truth, not so with imprefect man. They have to be refined over and over until they can handle it. No Witness that I know is trying to be wise in their own eyes. I have never seen a word that was based on their own originality, but humble correction of errors I have seen and appreciated.
swahie226 9 months ago
@swahie226 JWs still believe in 1919. Are you prepared to defend the year 1919 scripturally?
ExGileadMissionary 9 months ago
@swahie226 You said that "you have never seen a word that was based on their own originality" - I have seen many! Try comparing the NWT with the Greek Manuscript!
Do you really believe that those self-appointed men in the Governing Body are the only men that God uses for spiritual insight?
blackmediaenterprise 9 months ago
Read: John 17:17;8:31,32: Pr.4:18 the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. Dan.12:4;11:32 The Jews had the truth, but they didn't understand, Apollos had the truth but didn't fully understand, having a wrong understanding has never comdemed a servant of God, but when being corrected and not making the needed change does everytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
swahie226 9 months ago
@swahie226 Deu: 18:22, Psalms 146:3; Isaiah 2:22; Jeremiah 17:5. Let me know if these verses apply to the "organization."
Peace
blackmediaenterprise 9 months ago
Ok now I feel sorry for you...
teokoroa 11 months ago
Should OVER-LAPPING teachings be considered apostasy as well? or new light?
jaymurtii 1 year ago
Lovely information, thanks
Whenever i try to question anything by doing my own research.. I get told that perhaps i dont know anything because i dont go to the kindom hall enough, or
I dont study bible aide publications enough or
"you would have known the answer to that question, had it not been for the fact that you arent a publisher yet and arent even on the road to baptism"
But im like hell... Stop being evasive and answer my questions!!! My parents are devout JWs and sometimes id rather be
musicaljessa 1 year ago
(((_{-_-}_)))dates are very important to the freemasons too, very important, and another thing that are always using the name jahovah when god the creater has no name but people give him many names, any time you give god a name you assume that you have idenifted god, but god cant be idenified because hes god, and when i pray to he i like being personal with him {dear father in heaven creater of all, thank you for jesus and this life, how can i serve you so that i may be accounted worthy} like so
lastfanstanding999 1 year ago
I agree with ExGM's comment that in order to debate Biblical beliefs with a JW, or anyone else for that matter, one MUST use the Bible, whether one BELIEVES in it or not. Ex's approach has always been "if YOU (the watcher) believe the Bible, then let's examine IT to determine whether the WTS interpretation of it is correct or not." he never attacks the Bible itself as "untrue" and leaves that up to each individual.
DJMaul1031 1 year ago
@DJMaul1031 Well said, thanks!
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@DJMaul1031 This guy never once said what JW's believe concerning 1919, all he does is talk about how questionable the date is from his view point. He reminds me of Korah, not really making any sense, just going against his own best interest only to prove that the rebellious nature that we all posses can make a lot of destructive noise if it choose to. He comes across like someone that was planted in the organization just to seem 2 others that he knows what he is talking about. Get a life dude!
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
@virgiliogarrett In part 1 I discuss what the WT teaches about 1919.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
Respond to this video...The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
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@ExGileadMissionary The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
@virgiliogarrett Judas and the religious of his day had the same mind set that you are sporting today, wear it as well as you wish however, for those who listen to the masters voice no one like you will be able to take them from his hands all you can do is gather those like yourself, with the same mind-set! Too bad that you never got to know Jehovah so that you would have known that there is nowhere else to find him
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
When I found out that 607 is not supported by mainstream historians, I brought the issue before my parents, who are devout Jehovah's Witnesses. They told me the same thing, "do not put emphasis on dates." Typical JW brainwashing. When someone fails to reason that if 607 is wrong than 1914 must be wrong and therefore Jesus wasn't crowned king and the last days never started in 1914. And therefore the GB must not be chosen by Jehovah. I then wonder "dang how did I escape their brainwashing?"
zerotowatch 1 year ago
@zerotowatch The exact same thing happened to me. My mother even went far enough to claim that the proof I pulled from websites such as British Museum's was not accurate and Satan had planted it there. Which was very annoying.
Mawerick77 1 year ago
@Mawerick77 I couldn't believe what my parents were telling me. In addition, they told me, "Dates are not important." And that I should be more dependent on waiting on the day of Jehovah as more important. I thought well isn't that still puting emphasis on dates? I immediately responded with, "well tell that to the watchtower. They're the ones who insist that we believe that 1914 was when Jesus was crowned king."
zerotowatch 1 year ago
@Mawerick77 what makes it even more frustrating was when i got around to asking other witnesses about the profecy of the gentile times. JW's go about preaching on the basis that other people are ignorant about their belief's. But yet if i asked a regular JW to explain this profecy they're ignorant about how to explain it. This is a fundamental teaching and yet they are ignorant about it. Which just goes to show that JW's blindly accept whatever the watchtower tells them as the truth.
zerotowatch 1 year ago
@zerotowatch The dates you are talking about has nothing to do with the truth that is being taught from the Bible. Those dates are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in becoming free from the false teachings that are dominating the world. If you choose to go back to such falsehood that is on you but you need to stop trying to block the way to Jehovah God for others
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
@virgiliogarrett Beware of those that say "progress". Those that say "progress" are likely trying to control you. Of course watchtower chronology has nothing to do with the bible. That is the point. But really, If you can prove to me using secular sources that jerusalem was destroyed in 607, I will gladly believe what the watchtower teaches.
zerotowatch 1 year ago
@zerotowatch Here is a secular source for you wiki:Cyrus in Babylon and the Jewish connection"Traditionally, these passages in Isaiah were believed to pre-date the rule of Cyrus by about 100 years, however, most modern scholars date Isaiah 40-55(often referred to as Deutero-Isaiah), toward the end of the Babylonian exile(ca. 536 BCE). Now add the 70 years (Dan 9:2-4)
swahie226 1 year ago
@zerotowatch 536 + 70 = 606 Notice the word Traditionally, well, JW's didn't form the tradition. Ok, you are probably thinking this still don't add up to 607 however those same traditionalist may have choosen not to use a zero in their calculations where JW's did. If there is one thing I have learnt from becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses that is that traditions have a lot of holes in it. (Mat 15: 2-6)
swahie226 1 year ago
@zerotowatch Although JW's put emphasis on 607 in their writing they offen put 606-607 Zero, written 0, is both a number[1] and the numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. It plays a central role in mathematics as the additive identity of the integers, real numbers, and many other algebraic structures. As a digit, 0 is used as a placeholder in place value systems. In the English language, 0 may be called zero, nought or
swahie226 1 year ago
@zerotowatch Is the zero that you are using to identify yourself your way of saying that JW's missed the year 606 by one year? regardless, the Bible is clear on the fact that there is only one faith and all of those that are spending all of their time worry about JW's claim to have just that are not spending any real time showing how it is that they have the real faith. Because we will come to your house to talk about God but you won't come to mine!!!!!!
swahie226 1 year ago
@swahie226 I'm stunned by your closed mindedness and your miseducation. For real.
EelSacul 9 months ago
@zerotowatch Great comment. I've had a similar experience regarding this issue.
jamesandchante 7 months ago
I'm sorry to see how some of the comments left about your Vids are very rude to you. Oh, well, I guess that's because the god of the watchtower is going to murder us!
PuNkOfNiCe 1 year ago
Awesome video dude :)
lightrevealed 1 year ago
Hey Ex G, ... where did you get that watchtower cd? I would really like to get a copy. Does this include every work ever written by them?
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 I left in 2008 so I still have a 2007 WT CD ROM. They can be downloaded online tho - checkout an ExJW site to find out where
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
dates are important to them, when i applied for baptism there was actually a test and I had to be familiar with the fuckin 1914 chronology. I was never disfellowshipped (not that I care) i simply just said fuckit and stopped going.
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 How dare you curse on my channel.
LOL, At least spell correctly - "Fuck it", and "Fucking".
Thanks :p
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@joepublisher1 The will never step up. Because, conveniently, they have been told that participating in such discussions is a sin. How convenient. However, some will see these videos and will not be able to avoid the questions in their mind. Props to Ex G!
punchy001 1 year ago
WOW! This little guy is pissed!
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 I'm not pissed. I'm asking a simple question. You should be ready to give an answer as the Bible authorizes:
(1 Peter 3:15) . . .always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU,. . .
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary sorry bro but you cant DEMAND a damn thing from me...like jack nickolson siad " you gotta ask me nicely" ...ask nicely and ill think about it..
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 Do you believe in the Bible?
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary Interesting question? Do you?
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary Interesting question. Do you?
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 I ask because the word "demand" appears in the Bible, not that I am demanding an answer. FTR, I don't believe in the Bible, but if you do, you accept its authority, I suppose? If you, like me, don't, then it's a moot point.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary Well you dont believe in the bible so its a moot point even if i did because how can we talk about something that you dont believe in?
That would be ridiculous, dont you think?
Im not sure why you do these videos if you use the Bible, a book that you dont beleive in, to quote points, butress certain claims and so on....its a little strange but o well...to each his own you know...whatever floats your boat.
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 You sent me a PM a few days ago that said: "im glad you are posting all of these videos and getting people like you out of the organization".
I post about the Bible because JWs believe in it, and I have to work with what they believe to make them reason that their beliefs are not in the Bible. What they do with that knowledge is up to them.
I believed in the Bible most of my life, and have read it at least 7 times, studying it verse by verse in Gilead. Which led to non-belief
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary well its not for everybody. there is no one religion that appeals to all the masses.
To each his own i say...and yes it is good that you as a none believer are doing your work that way people can opt to not come into the organization, or leave if they want to...really nobody is going to beat a path to their door begging them to come back simple because they left based on some video the found here on YOUTUBE.
really, nobody cares...
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100
From his video it is not clear whether he believes the Bible or not. He is pointing out inconsistency with JW and Watchtower teachings. You could not believe the Bible at all but see or not see the inconsistencies in teaching of different groups.
Most Christian people over the world would argue they believe Bible literally and that JW believe their own modified book, with replaced commas, added commentary, and false translations.
StopFear 1 year ago
@StopFear yea anybody can argue this point ad infinitum....i rather sip my vodka, enjoy a good chess game and kick it with freinds and family while others debate this topic to death here in YOUTUBE land... yawwn....take care and good night!
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 Ex believing the Bible isn't really the point of this video. I think his point is how JW doctrine compares to the Bible. I'm sure as an ex-witness there may be some bitterness there; that's human. But it doesn't make his argument less valid. Also, a man who's studied as a JW as he did has the right to talk about why doesn't believe it. Only the people who believe can talk about it? That's not fair.
Jewelsheam 1 year ago
@Jewelsheam yea ok. i dont care what people say because i worship what i want, when i want it... i dont let anybody or anything tell me otherwise. in reality it does nto matter to me what this guy thinks or believes because i do as i please just as he does and as you do...
sometimes i get bored and post stuff here....in other words i poste when i get bored...i will not let a silly video determine what i want to do or beleive in.
late.
deathorglory100 1 year ago
Dude, awesome work. I dont believe I have seen anyone more proactive at taking JW's teachings under a microscope. I love the fact that you are not JW - bashing. You examine everything intellectually and respectfully. Im sorry to say that with my sister I reach an impass when she switches to her "lalala i cant hear you mode" because anything that questions her faith means I am subverting it.
punchy001 1 year ago
Thank you for your videos. You are the first person I took seriously and logically at finding answers to some of my questions about the org. Thank you for helping those of us who are trying to leave or have left but are still trying to figure things out.:)
lipvixen 1 year ago
@lipvixen Good luck to you on your quest.... there's more helpful links on my home page.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@lipvixen Cheers man, and remember dont feel bad. Just because you leave doesnt mean you dont believe in God. And if you dont believe thats fine too. First you must be truthful to yourself.
punchy001 1 year ago
Jehovah thru jesus appointed a faithful slave class where a central governing body emerged. That group that took the lead in managing the sheep in their care and was simply POINTING to these dates as markers in time so as to point out where prominent events would happen. There is no need for 1919 to have any Biblical mention or 1914. In fact Revelation mentions no dates and JWs use the dates for what they are MEANT to be used for mainly to point out some significant event. .. :)
joel474 1 year ago
@joel474
So the "significant event" is more important than the date? Well, hell, we can leave dates out of it if you want. You still have no legs to stand on when you start examining what "happened" in 1919 and "why it was significant."
You are splitting hairs by bringing up the "we don't care about dates" argument. There is a wealth of information out there that can logically break down those events and expose them as fraudulent!
sabastious 1 year ago
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joel474 1 year ago
@joel474 You are using the fallacious "It's true because I say so" argument. That doesn't fly when you get thinking ability and insight.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
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joel474 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary It's called Circular Logic, which is a fallacy. ;-)
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary - nice suspenders. LOL don't you wear a jacket when taking a group picture?
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount Because I'm an individual, not a lemming.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@joel474 you are saying that the bible implicated, that the WTBTS and the Governing Body would be the mouthpiece of Jesus and channel of Jehovah, and that these men who use the dates 1914 and 1919, among many as proof that they are the" Only True Religion" ? But yet you tell us that the dates aren't important?
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii The Governing Body are the "self proclaimed" sole channel of communication for God. That is a very lofty claim, especially considering they have no proof of this except the fact that THEY say so.
MrIcetreyman 1 year ago
@joel474 Everyday that I live is a "Significant Event". but I would rather Jesus speak for himself and not man.
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@joel474 "POINTING" is one of those vague constructs that can be defined to mean anything. As the "light gets brighter" it can slip, slide and form to whatever a member of the Writing Committee makes up. These dates had significant meaning during the early times of the Witnesses since Russell was trying to predict Armageddon, Admitting the dates have no Biblical basis now would be detrimental to Watchtower teachings. So it's "swept under the rug" in the hopes nobody notices.
japlha 1 year ago
@japlha exactly, now think of the consequences of what these false teachings have done. People have left their families, husbands , wives because this is the "truth" and when none of these dates make sense, who is to blame? Who will take responsibility of pain and suffering?
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 - the unrepentant sinners take the blame.
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount what the fuck does that mean?
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 - all persons that get baptized agree to the terms of their congregation membership. If they suffer because of family ties being broken due to disfellowshipping, it's the fault of the sinner, not the WT Society. plz no four letter words jack ass
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount Hey, you make the rules on your own fucking (7 letters - that OK?) channel. Profanity is fine on this one. Especially since God is one to be mocked.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
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@ExGileadMissionary - shut up bitch.
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount Let me ask you this, Let's say you study the Bible with someone, and they decide to leave their former religion and become JWs, and their family begins to persecute them for leaving their church or synagogue, etc., do you blame your student, or do you blame the religion, because its false?
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary - there's no blame in people deciding for themselves what they want to do on either side. I cannot help it if people are so stupid that they cannot decide which teachings they want to follow. I say teach the truth and forget about religion. People are idiots. I know jw's that have done really stupid things, like yourself for instance.
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount dont know about you but I was baptized at a youg age and before this gradually brainwashed into this religion. Religion should be taught to adults only, since youths do not posess the proper reasoning and insight to make any determinations. Ultimately I realized I baptized because my friends did it and for fear of losing relationships and that is one of the principal pressures JW's impose on children. and fuck you for being on this channel reading what youre not supposed to.
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 - you were stupid as a child and stupid as an adult. You cannot blame other people for your own stupidity.
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount great comeback man. I supposed thats how they teach you to pass judgement on others.
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 - they? no one taught me how to figure out that certain people are rock solid stupid. idiot
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount People who are abusive towards myself and others get disfelowshipped. LOL it's known on YT as "blocking".
Be happy as a JW. Don't come back here :p
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@japlha What's strange in Gilead is that the dates are given such prominence, I found it disturbing.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@joel474 - There is no need for 1919 to have any Biblical mention or 1914. In fact Revelation mentions no dates and JWs use the dates for what they are MEANT to be used for mainly to point out some significant event. .. :)
Like Armageddon? the Resurrection? the Double Portion of the Holy Spirit? which event is true?
OurGr8God 1 year ago
@OurGr8God They are all fictional events.
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary - no doubt!
OurGr8God 1 year ago
@ExGileadMissionary - your channel is fictional
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount why are you even here?? either you are someone that is not happy where he(she) is at or you are a fuckin idiot with nothing better to do than incite anger in others. Im not angry by the way, ... mostly annoyed.
punchy001 1 year ago
@joel474 - the bible gives the date 1914. that's why they use it
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount : YES! Yes it does! We should all be preaching 1914 from the rooftops and especially to Political leaders. They need to hear about 1914 before the blood soaked War of HarMageddon comes and destroys any living thing not associated with the Watchtower Bible and tract society of Pennsylvannia or New York. SOrry i forget which corp takes priority.
joel474 1 year ago
@joel474 - You're about 130 years too late. According to the old Watchtower books & magazines Harmageddon happened in 1914. and this was preached from the rooftops to the political leaders already. but sucks for them that they didn't listen. oh well, It's their loss!
OurGr8God 1 year ago
@OurGr8God : Hey wat r u some kinda wise guy? Come on man! Go put on your suit and service bag and go door to door with this 130 yr old message!!! You will have a blast Enjoy! Feel the joy! Embrace the love! Your first love awaits! Put the kingdom first and aLL these Other things Wil be added to u, free of charge...And this showcase can be yours if the price is right! The price is only your........... MIND.
joel474 1 year ago
@joel474 - I don't want to correct you, but, shouldn't we put the "organization" first and all these embarrasements will be added to u fee of charge? lol!
OurGr8God 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount Oh really? I'd like to hear where the Bible mentions 1914. LOL
ExGileadMissionary 1 year ago
@myxyzaccount what part of the bible says that? ...idiot.
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 - proverbs 8:22 read it. it talks about really stupid people like yourself
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
te digo , piensa en los hispanos, ponle subtitulos o dejame ponerles..jaja buenos videos wellcome back from a real school
thekeystone74 1 year ago
More Videos from Ex Gilead! Welcome back!!
TheW1TeRabbit 1 year ago
Great videos thanks!!!
soyboy72 1 year ago
1919 is important in retrospect to the JWs is because it was simply the first year after ww1 & the beginning of Rutherford's transformation of the IBSA into Jehovah's Witnesses org 13 years later.As a side note,a sister(or cousin) organization to the JWs,God's Kingdom Society,also accepts both 1914 & 1919 as significant dates.The Nation of Islam in the USA accepts the JW version of 1914 as well.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 what is the biblical evidence of 1919, DON'T COMMENT, if you can not prove it!
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii :There is no 'biblical evidence' of '1919.Only 'surmise' & late 19th century 2nd Adventist reinterpretations of previous 'biblical chronological' surmise by Russell & others..
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 You must have a alternative agenda, if all you have is SURMISE. If your comments are going to be based off of BS, at least make it comical.
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii No,no 'alternative agenda..just little patience for using 'biblical' language to describe a 'matter of fact' occurrence.Even if that 'matter of fact' occurrence is about a group that cloaks its practical activity in 'biblical' language.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@jaymurtii And the 'matter of fact' occurrence in this instance was the process of transforming a group of people who understood events one way(the pre WWI ISBA) into a group who understands those same events a different way( the post WW1 Jehovah's witnesses)..especially when such transformation takes place inside of one 'group'( ie; the believers in the Watchtower society's veiw of the world)
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 So, it would be like a "business that is restructuring" which then uses faulty bible chronology as validation.
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii lol..exactly!Well said,acurate & to the point.And more importantly,true!
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 forgive me for my approach. I didn't realize that it was a inquiry.
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii No offense taken at all.I enjoyed the dialogue.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@jaymurtii There is ABSOLUTELY no biblical evidence to support the year 1919, PERIOD! End of story.
MrIcetreyman 1 year ago
@MrIcetreyman we are on the same page, I was asking the JW Passer-Byers to prove that 1919 has scriptural backing. There hasn't been a response yet because they have to make one up. Believe you/me when I say that the WTBTS is taking notice of these channels, and will try to response in a WatchTower in 6 to 8 months.
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii The dates you are talking about are only in relation to the progress that Jehovah's Witnesses made in getting free from the false teachings that dominate the world. If you choose to go back to the LIE suit yourself, but you really should stop trying to block the way for others to find the Truth about who their Creator is and his purpose! Your lack of faith should be just that without the apostasy
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
@virgiliogarrett
You use the term 'Truth' as if the Watchtower only presents the 'Truth'. So Jesus returned in 1874. That was once the 'Truth'. Armageddom came about in 1914. That was once the 'Truth'. What was the 'Truth' about 1925? I won't even mention 1975 because I was there and I know what was being said. The 'Truth' is whatever the Watchtower Society says it is, right? Lie after lie after lie. Satan is the father of the lie. The Watchtower Society has been influrenced by their father.
torrents4u2c 9 months ago
@yorubablk3 Come on... Either you are lying or you are just ignorant of why 1919 is an important date to JWs. It was not just simply the first year after ww1 and the beginning of Rutherfords transformation from IBSA into JW. For one thing 1919 is not the date that the name was changed to Jehovah's Witnesses. It was still the IBSA then. Also, the date is "significant" because they say it fulfills bible prophecy of both Daniel and Revelation. Do even know how they calculated 1914 to begin with?
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Yes,i do know how 19th century 2nd Adventist & Russellites came up with 1914.And i do know also how 1919 was subsequently reinterpreted and given more 'weight' by both Rutherford loyalist(who became JWs,later) & Rutherfordite detractors(principally those organized around the ministry of P.S.L.Johnson) after 1919 had passed.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 You're right. 1914 was originally taught by John Aquila Brown. I'm not sure if he was Adventist or not... But I do know the Adventists picked it up. What is interesting is that until a few years ago, the JW's claimed that Russell originated the teaching and use this as proof that they are God's organization. According to early WT's Russell was originally disgusted by time prophecys. But the Adventists were able to change his thoughts with their wacky dates, and he ran with it.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 I'll tell you how. They believed that Jesus sat on the throne in 1874. Likewise Jesus began his ministry in 30CE. Jerusalem was destroyed 40 years later. So they tacked on 40 years to 1874 and tada! 1914! They also used pyramid measurements to support the date. It was not til MUCH MUCH later that they came up with the date using the process of seven times from 607 that they use now. So either educate yourself on the truth, or say nothing at all. I'm tired of the excuses and lies.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Yes,the Rutherfordites did exactly that- by reinterpreting previous pre WWI russelite chronological supposition & surmise..which itself was based on previous discussions about & interpretations of Jesus' return from an mid 19th century Adventist position.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 I believe the 1874 date was calculated due to the fact that Adventists were teaching that 1799 was the beginning of the last days.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 The main reason that 1919 is important to JWs, though, is that they believe that they were released from "spiritual captivity" in that year and that Jesus had made his decision that they were to be the faithful and discreet slave. What is interesting to note is that until the late 20's they believed that Russell alone was the faithful and discreet slave. So who did Jesus appoint in 1919? Russell was already dead.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Your question "So who did Jesus appoint in 1919? Russell was already dead?"Gets to the heart of my post here about 1919 & its significance to the JWs.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 My point being that the year 1919 takes on increasing 'importance' only in 'retrospect' as it relates to 'russellite chronological speculation' & theology due to the transformation of that same pre 1919 theology to post 1919 Russellite theology as interpreted by Rutherford.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 The year 1919 thus becomes an important date in Watchtower mythos because it is a major 'sign post' ,ie, the beginning of the transformation of the ISBA community from its pre WW1 'Russelites' beginnings into the Rutherfordian JWs of the world war interim era.A transformation that began earnestly in 1919 & culminated 20 years later in 1939.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 I see what you're saying here. But this isn't the way Jehovah's Witnesses would explain it. It's all true, and it's actually correct to the outsider. But the "rank and file" would not explain it this way nor understand it in this way. They would simply state that this was the year that they were released from spiritual captivity from "Babylon" and that because of this "release" they were chosen by Jesus to be his "faithful and discreet slave".
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 lol..true!BTW i wasn't trying to be 'antagonistic' in this ,or any other of my post.I am related by blood to 5 generations of JWs..& while i never 'fell for it',i'm very familiar with them.
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 Naw, I didn't take your comments as antagonistic. Maybe I was on my responses (unintended). The deeper you go into their dates theologies, the stranger and obviously untrue it becomes. It's amazing.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Yes,dealing with the JWs,especially if they are beloved family members..is 'interesting' ..& their beliefs 'strange,untrue'..and yes 'amazing'.Although i might characterize them 'differently'...But as i love my family members that are fanatical JWs, i'll be polite in the terms i use.lol
yorubablk3 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Now, we are getting somewhere, this is what I call dialogue!
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@yorubablk3 Russell was a free mason ;)
punchy001 1 year ago
@punchy001 so was george washington. so what
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
@punchy001 - i meant proverbs 1:22. correction
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
"Perhaps your head is in your ass", LOL!
exjw44288 1 year ago
There used to be a chart somewhere that detailed how they got from 1914 to 1919. If I find it, I'll post a video response. Great vid, ExGM!
JBSauce 1 year ago
Here's another quote in the 9/15/2010 WT.
"In this time of the end, Christ has committed "all his belongings" - all the earthly interests of the Kingdom - to his "faithful and discreet slave" and its representative Governing Body, a group of anointed Christian men. The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ."
So all of you here that question the GB are questioning...JESUS!!!
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
I wanted to share with everyone a comment from the 9/15/2010 WT
"Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit anointed Christians contribute to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God's Word. Thus, what is taught is NOT from men, but from Jehovah. (Isa 54:13)"
So whatever they say about 1919 is correct! I'm glad I came to my sense about this.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
@TitusChapter1Verse11 how is it possible to get the sept wt? I am curious. would my JW friends have it now?
EastGateShut 1 year ago
@EastGateShut Yes, anyone can get the study issues of the WT. Go to jw.org and click on the downloads tab. Then click on "Digital Magazines" on the left sidebar. These are pdfs of the study issues.
Your JW friends would have it by now from their kingdom hall or from this download as well.
TitusChapter1Verse11 1 year ago
Ugh, I wish I was smart and good at things like this. Another great video, love your approach, can't wait for the next ones :)
Ribcagehacksaw 1 year ago
What is funny about all the Witnesses that tell you that dates are not important...they are disagreeing with the Watchtower! If they were honest and have been in the organization for at least a few years (at least during the time that the Daniel book and Revelation book were studied) they would know that dates are EXTREMELY important. What non-witnesses don't know is how important they STILL are. The 7 trumpet blasts have modern 20th century fullfillments today according to the WT.
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