The E-4B that was Northeast of DC before the Pentagon strike was there to be used as a decoy! They flew it from NY to DC. It's the phantom flight 11 NORAD was notified of at 9:23.If the Langley pilots had gotten Mission orders in spite of Borstrum absence.There orders would be to intercept this plane NE of DC to let FL77 strike from the SW!
@Stealth9331 and why even compare sum1 cummin 2 my house and shootin my mom infront of me 2 9-11 being an ainside job? and i don't get asking me would i like it either? hhhm dumb question. again ur logic cumz from an elephants asshole!!!! i'll never understand why people who lost family members on 9-11 use the whole "i had family members die from 9-11" bullshit, what point are u tryin 2 make? truthers are doing this shit 4 them dumbass, what else u foolz!!!! why don't u shout at the real enemy?
@Stealth9331 firstly, what the fuck is a "asshat"? straight away u sound like a first-class cunt!!!! secondly, what is ur problem mister? why say ur family would still be here if it was an inside job? i have no idea what that meant either, if ur family were murdered because of 9-11, then they were murdered who ever did it brain-box. and if u don't think ur government would do that 2 further there new world order agneda, then well, i've already said ur intelligance score is way below minus......
THE MYSTERIOUS WHITE JET A.K.A THE E4-B DOOMSDAY PLANE, was both the missing link and the last straw 4 us conspiracy theorists. no-one knew what is was, 6 years later the news tell us about it and yet still 2 this very day the government have never mentoned it once 2 the public. now this concerns me as there are many coincidances that took place that very tradgic day, "it only happened on 9-11" as i like 2 call them, but this is crazy. a fucking monkey knows 9-11 was an inside job by now!!!!
@halofan38 hhhm yeah u think no1 knows what it was huh? so ur tryin 2 tell me that the american government can't find out through the airforce what planes were flying that day yet they manage 2 send a rocket with a team of men 2 successfully land on the moon? they have 2 know what that plane was dufus!!!! why dya think they have'nt mentioned it? maybe because it was them controlling that whole day and that was actually something 2do with 9-11? it don't take a dumbass 2 even have that assumption.
That plane is totally white, so its clearly not an American Airlines. The flight that crashed into the pentagon was AA77 and it was a boeing 757, this clearly is a boeing 747.
There were 2 F-16's enroute to New York that morning, but they weren't fast enough. They stood out to sea and watched it all happen. This plane is an airborne command post. It goes up whenever a national emergency occurs.
@robaksha Yes, the first day this story broke they denied it was even in the air. It was only after reports that CIA and FBI officials had talked to news sources about it that they came clean and admitted it was there.
"And with everyday that we let go by as we do nothing, we let our loved ones family members, and friends, down again and again" If you want answers quit posting shit on YouTube and start asking for them...you can go outside and make mass gatherings to get the media coverage necessary,..and when you do that if they issue Marshall Law then we know that they realize we are waking up, but as long as you continue to post things nothing will ever change.. get out and do it "The Time For Change Is Now"
There were no fighters in the air over New York and Washington DC to intercept and down the alleged commercial aircraft that brought down WTC 1 & 2 along with the Pentagon attack.
However, the E4B's are right in the center of both attack areas carrying the most sophisticated military command and control on earth. Charlie Sheen mentioned this and 911 researchers have commented on it for years.
Something is very wrong with that scenario. Those are facts not conspiracy wingnut factoids.
Yes people this is not that hard of a concept to understand. There was a carrier off shore with jets that could travel up to 1000+ miles per hour. You should find it strange that we could get choppers (from where - unknow) to circle the towers to film but that is it. Even if you buy the thought that there was no way we could get jets to the towers - do you really believe that is all we have protecting our nations Capitol. I mean seriously folks - do you bush 9/11 ct guys really think that?
Have you seen "Breadcrumbs"? What of the recording of the order to scramble two fighters? It does seem odd that no vid from that day has someone talking about F16s.
Google Amalgam Warrior, JV2010 Vigilant Guardian and Amalgam Virgo sims. The closing of military installs to public tours in june. The only footage of Atta being in an airport is from Portland, ME. All of these are facts. And the "Armed Conflict in the 21st Century: The Information Revolution and Post-Modern Warfare" is a great read
@racemate the command planes were guiding the drone remote controlled planes into the towers and pentagon. now the question is, who the hell would be willing to complete this task. someone seriously disloyal, my guess, israelis within u.s military of u.s military personnel of jewish descent and zionist israeli loyalty, only ones fanatical and capable enough to do it, had to have high level command military and intel support.
@Inquisitoraus sure, but who really benefits, we didnt need to go in there, we already run the place through servile puppet regimes. strategically speaking, in the long run provides the greatest opportunities to israel in enabling them to takeover and mop up the middle east after america has weakened its immediate enemies and after the united states has been toppled in conflict with russia and china, being in the middle east distracts from those major threats, this scenario of war is soon
Thats a sign of you being weak with no pride for your country. "Well, if there was was one government to take care of us all" sounds like a well fare statement.
I think that the plain used was basically a decoy to make people think the white house was going to be attacked so they wouldn't be drawn towards the fact that the american government had control over what happened.
its a shame on all americans for not trying to investigate the truth and put the Government who are responsible for the mass murder of its own people and the fake bull shit that the media tries to feed us
they were talking about boarding Bush on the most famous E-4B that day weren't they? what if it has something to do with that? like a decoy job with air force one?
isnt that the special airforce one loaded with more anti aircraft equip and has cabin for troops... I saw a show long time ago that within the fleet of AF1's there are the ones we always see I think there are actually 2 standard 747AF1's but then the 3rd 747 is a true wartime jet
Try posting on this subject and then try to find your post, if it doesn't agree with the government's version. I am curious if others find that their posts get 'omitted'.
Good can't wait till we all can each have slaves to wash our backs and tie our shoes... Just kidding haha... That will never happen! We'll fight for our freedom and continue to fight for it till we prevailed! Look at the Roman empire Spartacus a former slave liberated all the slaves and fought the greatest empire and nearly won...
Radio Control of commercial airplanes in case of Highjack.
Radio Control of Cruise Missles.
Distribution of Live Video Signals coming from UAV planes and Spy Drones.
I mean: It sent the Missiles against WTC and Pentagon, meanwhile giving Mr Bush Live coverage of the events thankx to the spy drones we all saw flying on 911.
Bush is such a Fucktard that later revealed this in his own words:
the E6B is designed to be up in the air in minutes if a disaser or attack occurs...why wouldn't it be up after the Twin Towers were hit and Washington was a target?
Im so fucking sick of that white fkn jet, I wanna know what the fuck that shit is. Anybody who is burying their heads in the sand should be ashamed. These white jets are spraying the fucking sky everyday, they were spotted on 9/11. Just tell us the fucking truth, we all know 9/11 was set up.
ive studied this lots and came to the conclusion that it was nothing more than a horrific terrorist attack,althogh there were coincidences thats all they were and if you know more than me fair enough enlighten me because all the millions of dollars the gov spent on inquirys didnt find shit
i saw about 3 white jets spraying this white stuff and i think that it might be poison because if you do see those white trails take a jar with a small amount of liquid(water) and come back to it after the trail is done and see if there is anything in that jar
Are you dumb? Evaporation took your water....the white trails are contrails. Which occur at high altitudes when the hot jet exhaust meets the cold air.
Yes, he is dumb. But I think what he's trying to say is that there's likely to be particulate settled either on the surface of the water or on the bottom of the glass - presumably from the "chemtrails" - but what is really going to be pollen, dust, etc.
They were obviously watching their handywork, we don't need this vid anyone with COMMON SENSE can tell the buildings look identical to control demolition. If not how did both just happen to land in their basements, not one toppled over. Because Controlled Demolition Inc. Will tell you it's an Art to put a building in it's basement. It's so obvious with a little comon sense you can tell a plane didnt hit the pentagon either, if you unwash your brain you can tell the hole looks nothing like plane
there is a theory that a plane projected the world trade centre "areoplanes" with very sophisticated projection technology. personnaly im jus sick of those lyin bastards.
Um, not matter how you look at this, it is a conspiracy. 19 Arab hijackers is a conspiracy theory, and I say theory, because there is no solid evidence implicating anyone of this crime.
I feel sorry for you conspiracy dudes... I know a black ops guy that said within the next 6 months all conspiracy theorists will meet an untimely, unexplainable, untrackable but extremely suspicious death... I tried to talk him out of it but he insisted. Sorry guys, I did my best...
What exactly is the point of this video? The same nonsense as the "mystery aircraft" they think was an A10 and was a common corporate jet with engines on the side like an A10 even described as having winglets like a corporate jet? Nutters and Morons give it up...
It's an E4B. Look that up. No "nutters" about it. It a military aircraft, unaccounted for that day. Do some research instead of just spouting of the top of your ill-informed head.
Um... what exactly are we supposed to be looking at/for here? A Surveillance plane above the Pentagon does not surprise me. But then again, one that was there at the time of the 9/11 'attacks' without an absolute barrage of F16's by it's side does. Are you hinting that the AWAC was just sitting there watching, while the 'aircraft' that crashed into the Pentagon (but was never found) went on to accomplish it's 'mission' ?? Something is terribly wrong with this picture...
I think some of you are forgetting that the E4B's routinely fly with fighter escort - let alone a national emergency.
So its presence is a confirmation of jet aircraft near the pentagon, and apparently they didn't feel the need to protect it, even though they were monitoring the flightpath of the inbound.
Oh, and then there's the drills... operation northwoods... the firemen hearing explosions in the basement.. etc..
NOCC, also known as the E-4B don't not in fact normally fly with fighter jets in close proximity of the air craft. The fighters are normal kept father away from he aircraft then you can see in the video to prevent a collision.
Explosions in the basement... I'm SURE they could not have been mistaken. EVERYONE has been in the basement of a building just prior to a collapse and knows EXACTLY what it sounds like...
Actually the explosions were at the moment of impact, not when the towers collapsed.
Big fucking difference.
Try to keep it straight.
Then explain what it was that damaged the subway tunnel adjacent to the basements. Damage so bad, they had to disontinue routes in that tunnel which filled with smoke.
Now how does smoke from the 90th floor fill an underground subway tunnel but not the lobby?
That's a sort of AWACS, but more to be protecting the Presiedent thant actually coordinating attacks as most AWACS do. Its just making sure that nothing is heading towards the president at all time.
The aircraft in the video is at E-4B not E-3 Sentry. The E-4B is a command and control aircraft and is basically a big fly cell phone for people in the government to talk to other people in the government in a secure manner.
Hey, you truthers think that our government can project holographic planes in the air. There probably wasnt an airplane. It was probably a hologram.
Yeah, that makes more sense. It was a hologram. Now that one mystery is solved, the next mystery to solve is what the heck was that strange taste in my chicken and noodles? Hmmm
Maybe perhaps you should actually do some research into this, instead of watching a singular video and deciding it's "Total bullshit"
It's not.
Unless those Secret Service guys on the White House roof watching it pass over and the evacuation of said White House because of the "unidentified white jet" was all just a result of mass hallucinations.
LOL
This just sums up what is patently wrong with the American education system.
Im sorry if I dont understand the significance of the jet in the skies over washington.
Thats a military jet, and has authority to be there. Its operations (the operations of intelegence gathering jets is normally clasified) are classified until the information is released for public consumption.
Most Americans will never know everything that those intelegence gathering flights do. Its called national security, and the reason why we our government does tell us everything is to protect that national security. Im not about to get suspicious because I dont know what 1 airplane was doing on 911.
What does not giving a crap about a military jet flying over a designated no-fly zone have to do with sticking my head in the sand? I have more important things to worry about.
Besides all of this, what does it matter that one of these jets were in the air on 911?
And, btw, I went and did some reading on the e4b. I was wrong about its actual mission. Its a flying base of ops for our gov in case of a severe emergency. I think 911 counts as a severe emergency.
"What does not giving a crap about a military jet flying over a designated no-fly zone have to do with sticking my head in the sand?"
Seriously, you actually have to ask? Really? You're that shit stupid?
"What does it matter that one of these jets were in the air on 911?"
They weren't supposed to be in the air. Headquarters, Strategic Air Command, Offutt AFB is where they are based. That's in Nebraska. How long does it take to fly an E4B from Nebraska to NYC? It's 7 states away!
"Thats a military jet, and has authority to be there"
You're not paying attention.
The people responsible for those jets say all of theres were on the ground. They produced the flight logs for CNN. Not a classified secret at all.
Do you just make this stuff up? If you'd spent a split second researching the E4B's, maybe you might not come off like some high school kid assuming he knows it all.
0:23 wow trees do look like that... all fake this vid is fake i mean you could take a picture of a plane shake that picture add some scenery and sound fx and bam you have made this video. your prize the dumbass award.
Watch the video, grab a stopwatch. Hit play, hit start at the same time.
Or read any of the official reports. I believe NIST's report mentions it also.
Not hard to figure out Bubba. Just count how long the structure of the building remains intact. You'll notice ZERO resistance of the structure as the building collapses. That shouldn't happen. You'll also notice the collapse speeds up, which again, it shouldn't, laws of physics being what they are.... that is, LAWS, not pliable rules
NIST states 8 and 9 seconds for the first exterior panels to reach the ground. That implies about a 12 second total fall time for each tower, given that the first exterior panels were about 1/4th and and 1/3 from the tops of each tower. I'll try to find a video that shows the entire collapse time, and get back to you. As for physics, I challenge you to go onto the JREF forums and state your points to the physicists there. I do it all the time.
Why would I bother? What, their grasp of the exact same principals are better than my own? What, they know something about momentum conservation I don't?
Are they actually related to Mr Newton and Mr Einstein?
LOL, get a good education, and stop going to online forums.
As to the rest, it should have taken those towers 45 seconds each, at a minimum, to collpase, it took less then 12. The point son, is nothing impeded the collpase, it sped up. Try to address that.
Get back to me when you can actually discuss this. Do your due dilligance. That you pretend to not know that it sped up speaks volumes as to your mind set and reason for being here.
"when something starts moving from rest, it doesn't reach it's max speed instantaneously"
Now you're talking about the physics of a freefall. To bad that's not what was supposed to happen at the WTC. How would it speed up, considering when you factor in momentum conservation(3rd Law).
Object at rest stays at rest, object in motion stays in motion, unless acted upon by an outside force(1rst Law)
That "outside force" was the buildings structural steel frame and core.(2nd Law)
"Now you're talking about the physics of a freefall."
Indeed. Since I don't have much physics background, I posted your point here, at JREF ( forums%randi%org/showthread%php?t=115628 ) (please replace all %s with dots)
So, you are simply saying things accelerate due to gravity??? Because if that's all, even I know that's what you'd expect. The people responding to your point have no idea what the big issue is.
If there's some other point you're making, please explain yourself better, because know one has a clue to what your point is. As someone writes: "acceleration due to gravity is a normal phenomenom from taller heights."
"acceleration due to gravity is a normal phenomenom from taller heights."
Yes, when it's in freefall. IF you drooped an I-beam from the top of the WTC, of course it accelerates. But, put 250,000 tons of structural steel between it and the ground, and gauran-fucking-teed it's not only gonna slow down, it's gonna stop.
Please, in the future, discern the difference between dropping an object in freefall, and a structural steel buildings collpase. One is freefall, one is not supposed to be.
"But, put 250,000 tons of structural steel between it and the ground, and gauran-fucking-teed it's not only gonna slow down, it's gonna stop"
That's simply wrong, as any controlled demolitioner could tell you. As I stated, explosives have nothing to do with this phenomenon. In a CD, explosives are used to take out the support in ONE or TWO floors. Take out that support, and the building will fall, just as it did in the WTC. If you don't believe me, call any CDer of your choice.
Finally, please take note that not a single one of the people writing these essays on "impossible collapse physics" has ever submitted their work to the larger scientific community for evaluation. If what you say is so glaringly impossible, every structural engineer the world over would have spoken out long ago. You and others who write in this vain would have us believe the government could fool the entire physics profession!!! It's so implausible as to be a joke.
You're right, peer review isn't a guarantee. But as Michael Shermer wrote, it's the best method yet invented for discerning sense from nonsense. The things you say are just ideas floating out there on the net. Talk to a CDer. EVERY SINGLE ONE who has spoken on the twin towers, agrees they were gravity collapses - and that includes the truther's favorite demolitioner, Danny Jowenko. What do you know that he, Brent Blanchard & Co. don't?
Fine. You were the one coming on with a know-it-all attitude, like "guaran-fucking teed," "ill-prepared" etc. Peace brother. As
far as "neither is wrong," well, obviously there's nothing "wrong" with having an opinion. But both can't be right, now can they? Nor does it mean all opinions are equally valid. The opinions of the truth mvt are ridiculous, IMO. But I suppose there's a teeny weenie chance they could be right. One never knows for sure.
If you were the prepared debater you think you are, then you would know the towers did not collapse one second faster than free fall, as you stated . Did you not know your facts before you started berating people?
"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds""
What math do you have? Post it, let others peruse it, instead of rhetorically stating I'm wrong with nothing to prove your statement. That's just hyperbole, and I don't play at kids games.
"instead of rhetorically stating I'm wrong with nothing to prove"
I said you were incorrect when you stated that the towers fell one second faster than free fall.
Do you still say the towers fell faster than free fall? If so, where's your evidence? No official report states this, and no video that I've seen shows the entire sequence, where we can see the roof of the tower coming to rest in 8.8 seconds. If you make a claim, back it up. I stand corrected if shown to be wrong.
Look, if you want the so-called well prepared discussion you asked for, don't lecture me about being ill-prepared and then keep changing versions of the collapse times, and misquoting your source.
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)
or
2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared)
Time(squared) = (2 x Distance) / Gravity
Time(squared) = 2710 / 32 = 84.7
Time = 9.2
So it would have taken 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' previous height.
Like I said, it wasn't one second faster than free fall, as you originally said, but then forgot what you wrote. As to ten seconds, I believe the commission report is off. In any case, there have been peer review papers which I'm happy to link, confirming that there's nothing at all suspicious about the fall times. I also spoke to a well known CDer(Brent Blanchard). In every CD, it's gravity, not explosives, that accounts for the rapid fall rate observed.
Anytime there's any kind of crisis like 9/11, there will be people who create conspiracies to try and get themselves their 15 minutes of fame or their shot to "make a change" in the way they feel the government should be doing its business. This is a hoax.
If it's a hoax, then CNN, FOX, NBC, CBC and ABC not to mention BBC and CBC were all fooled. Especially the footage shot by CNN. it's obviously a fake. And those Secret Service guys that were up on the White House roof watching the E4B fly over them, that was a hallucination. When they evacuated the WH becuase of this plane, they were just seeing things huh? Mass halucinations now you say?
There's another EB-4 plane seen at the WTC site when the towers were going down and also another at the site where the plane crashed into the field...
Unfounded? It's unfounded because you haven't seen it? LOL
Cold hard fact? If that's what you want, then just enter B New York City 911 in google. There's video footage of it all over YouTube also, not hard to find kid.
What, did CNN and CBC fake the video of the E4B over NYC? Did the Discovery Channel fake it to?
Shenon's book "The Commission" never mentions the radar data itself and of course makes no references at all to the E-4B, the three jet fighters that took off at 8:35 AM, the Langley jets diversion south at 9:50 AM, etc. The fact that this documented information was deliberately excluded by the 9/11 Commission in it's supposedly comprehensive investigation is more significant than its internal politics which is all Shenon seems interested in. Talk about missing the real story. [Pinnacle's words]
BTW, if Andrews had an E4B, Cheney's ass would have been on it instead of in The Bunker. It is simply the safest place with all the gear anyone could have been on that day...as long as it is in the sky, that is why it did not land and pick him up. Aircraft by their nature are neither offensive nor defensive setting on the ground. Bush only landed to refuel when he had cover of armed and ready fighter aircraft...like Bush said, he did not fear for his life that day with a fighter on each wing.
A flight manifest from what the plane that crashed?, No retard, im sorry but at that moment in time i didnt feel like climbing 76 stories to search through a burning deathtrap for a fucking flight manifest
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The E-4B that was Northeast of DC before the Pentagon strike was there to be used as a decoy! They flew it from NY to DC. It's the phantom flight 11 NORAD was notified of at 9:23.If the Langley pilots had gotten Mission orders in spite of Borstrum absence.There orders would be to intercept this plane NE of DC to let FL77 strike from the SW!
waitew 6 months ago
@Stealth9331 and why even compare sum1 cummin 2 my house and shootin my mom infront of me 2 9-11 being an ainside job? and i don't get asking me would i like it either? hhhm dumb question. again ur logic cumz from an elephants asshole!!!! i'll never understand why people who lost family members on 9-11 use the whole "i had family members die from 9-11" bullshit, what point are u tryin 2 make? truthers are doing this shit 4 them dumbass, what else u foolz!!!! why don't u shout at the real enemy?
superfrickensexy 7 months ago
@Stealth9331 firstly, what the fuck is a "asshat"? straight away u sound like a first-class cunt!!!! secondly, what is ur problem mister? why say ur family would still be here if it was an inside job? i have no idea what that meant either, if ur family were murdered because of 9-11, then they were murdered who ever did it brain-box. and if u don't think ur government would do that 2 further there new world order agneda, then well, i've already said ur intelligance score is way below minus......
superfrickensexy 7 months ago
THE MYSTERIOUS WHITE JET A.K.A THE E4-B DOOMSDAY PLANE, was both the missing link and the last straw 4 us conspiracy theorists. no-one knew what is was, 6 years later the news tell us about it and yet still 2 this very day the government have never mentoned it once 2 the public. now this concerns me as there are many coincidances that took place that very tradgic day, "it only happened on 9-11" as i like 2 call them, but this is crazy. a fucking monkey knows 9-11 was an inside job by now!!!!
superfrickensexy 8 months ago
Charlie Sheen's even here! XD
Man, you're everywhere!
FilipePhoenix 10 months ago
The E-4Bs are based in Nebraska.
6lemans10 1 year ago
it looked grey, but whatever that is, im so shocked that no one knows what is was.maybe it was aliens.
halofan38 1 year ago
@halofan38 hhhm yeah u think no1 knows what it was huh? so ur tryin 2 tell me that the american government can't find out through the airforce what planes were flying that day yet they manage 2 send a rocket with a team of men 2 successfully land on the moon? they have 2 know what that plane was dufus!!!! why dya think they have'nt mentioned it? maybe because it was them controlling that whole day and that was actually something 2do with 9-11? it don't take a dumbass 2 even have that assumption.
superfrickensexy 7 months ago
Everyone talks about all the excercises that were being held on 911 and then they wonder why an E-4B might be flying around that day. Big mystery.
pentagon28 1 year ago
Maybe this plane was heading to a nearby airport.
MJ4ever911 1 year ago
That plane is totally white, so its clearly not an American Airlines. The flight that crashed into the pentagon was AA77 and it was a boeing 757, this clearly is a boeing 747.
MJ4ever911 1 year ago
Hmmmm ...... Where did this plane land ? And how can u hide something THIS BIG ??
anonymousent 1 year ago
There were 2 F-16's enroute to New York that morning, but they weren't fast enough. They stood out to sea and watched it all happen. This plane is an airborne command post. It goes up whenever a national emergency occurs.
rivermikerat 1 year ago
when you see this plane...rich people are doing stuff you are not supposed to know about.
MrSlik25 1 year ago
Ok this is just stupid.
pete5668 1 year ago 2
sad how this was the only plane defending the entire atlantic coast of north america...everything else was involved in military drills!
TokaCola 1 year ago
Where else would you want the E4-B to be during a time of national crisis? Circling DC is exactly where it should have been, doing what it does best.
robaksha 1 year ago
@robaksha Yes that is exactally where it should have been....with video proof of this why did the government choose to deny it was there?
unafraidtruther 1 year ago
@unafraidtruther they didnt
robaksha 1 year ago
@robaksha Yes, the first day this story broke they denied it was even in the air. It was only after reports that CIA and FBI officials had talked to news sources about it that they came clean and admitted it was there.
unafraidtruther 1 year ago
WTF is that sound? its as annoying as my dad taking a shit!
AvriLlaVigne4Lif3 1 year ago
wtf this could have been taken anywhere at any time theres no proof this is on 911 plus its a blury piece of shit so this is no evidence at all
laxAddict992 2 years ago
You did hear about the plane that circled the White House right
BlakePlaya 2 years ago
Target washington
mazda1024 2 years ago
Wow, all the comments that say "that's a 747!" ...well WTF do you think an E-4B is?
v31415926 2 years ago 2
so fake
chipjumper 2 years ago
that's a 747!
dsgootz 2 years ago
the dooms day plane
onemanarmy34 2 years ago
notice the diffrent of how this real plane looks compared to the fake 1
vidmaker777 2 years ago
Thats a 747
dvkal 2 years ago
"And with everyday that we let go by as we do nothing, we let our loved ones family members, and friends, down again and again" If you want answers quit posting shit on YouTube and start asking for them...you can go outside and make mass gatherings to get the media coverage necessary,..and when you do that if they issue Marshall Law then we know that they realize we are waking up, but as long as you continue to post things nothing will ever change.. get out and do it "The Time For Change Is Now"
MrHellsAngel666 2 years ago
You had to use Windows Movie Maker for this? God dammit.
PreciadoProductions 2 years ago
There were no fighters in the air over New York and Washington DC to intercept and down the alleged commercial aircraft that brought down WTC 1 & 2 along with the Pentagon attack.
However, the E4B's are right in the center of both attack areas carrying the most sophisticated military command and control on earth. Charlie Sheen mentioned this and 911 researchers have commented on it for years.
Something is very wrong with that scenario. Those are facts not conspiracy wingnut factoids.
racemate 2 years ago 17
Yes people this is not that hard of a concept to understand. There was a carrier off shore with jets that could travel up to 1000+ miles per hour. You should find it strange that we could get choppers (from where - unknow) to circle the towers to film but that is it. Even if you buy the thought that there was no way we could get jets to the towers - do you really believe that is all we have protecting our nations Capitol. I mean seriously folks - do you bush 9/11 ct guys really think that?
tovarco 2 years ago
@tovarco
Yep, they couldn't get jets to NYC, but an E4B wasn't a problem?
Very strange.
socratescafe 1 year ago
@racemate glenn beck?
baldbandit89 1 year ago
Have you seen "Breadcrumbs"? What of the recording of the order to scramble two fighters? It does seem odd that no vid from that day has someone talking about F16s.
Google Amalgam Warrior, JV2010 Vigilant Guardian and Amalgam Virgo sims. The closing of military installs to public tours in june. The only footage of Atta being in an airport is from Portland, ME. All of these are facts. And the "Armed Conflict in the 21st Century: The Information Revolution and Post-Modern Warfare" is a great read
RuffleTheTeacher 1 year ago
@racemate the command planes were guiding the drone remote controlled planes into the towers and pentagon. now the question is, who the hell would be willing to complete this task. someone seriously disloyal, my guess, israelis within u.s military of u.s military personnel of jewish descent and zionist israeli loyalty, only ones fanatical and capable enough to do it, had to have high level command military and intel support.
mikefan09 1 year ago
@mikefan09 Or this is how the American Government makes an excuse to invade the middle east...
Inquisitoraus 1 year ago
@Inquisitoraus sure, but who really benefits, we didnt need to go in there, we already run the place through servile puppet regimes. strategically speaking, in the long run provides the greatest opportunities to israel in enabling them to takeover and mop up the middle east after america has weakened its immediate enemies and after the united states has been toppled in conflict with russia and china, being in the middle east distracts from those major threats, this scenario of war is soon
mikefan09 1 year ago
No its the doomsday plane!!!!
CSMSnake 2 years ago 2
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I would be in favor of the NWO. If all countries were governed by one body then the world would be a better place in my opinion.
AzumiRM 2 years ago
Thats a sign of you being weak with no pride for your country. "Well, if there was was one government to take care of us all" sounds like a well fare statement.
PHOENIXFEAN 2 years ago
nwo only wants 500 mil people on the planet. we have about 6 bill. what happens to the res t of us u idiot
steelersgofor7 2 years ago
shut your fucking mouth
seriosuly
Utoobname5400 2 years ago
I think that the plain used was basically a decoy to make people think the white house was going to be attacked so they wouldn't be drawn towards the fact that the american government had control over what happened.
slipknotrme 2 years ago
its a shame on all americans for not trying to investigate the truth and put the Government who are responsible for the mass murder of its own people and the fake bull shit that the media tries to feed us
finiqui 2 years ago
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da plane knew it wasnt gonna make it to the whit house so the pilot drove it into da ground!!!!! isnt dat sad????
u10ahuskieshockey13 2 years ago
i hope it bombs cia head quarter
yallneedtosmokeweed 2 years ago
I hope they knock your door down at and knock the fuck out of you gay boy
grenseel 2 years ago
a fresh start would be nice.
Finkletonian 2 years ago
they were talking about boarding Bush on the most famous E-4B that day weren't they? what if it has something to do with that? like a decoy job with air force one?
bythewayside 2 years ago
isnt that the special airforce one loaded with more anti aircraft equip and has cabin for troops... I saw a show long time ago that within the fleet of AF1's there are the ones we always see I think there are actually 2 standard 747AF1's but then the 3rd 747 is a true wartime jet
bdk316 2 years ago
You couple STSDrummer03 and waddsworth: watch?v=okB-489l6MI
911stealth 2 years ago
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New footage of no planes at the Pentagon still in youtube quarintine for last 13hours
watch?v=muiy3KBeqKk
TodMcInerney 3 years ago
This plane was taking part in the Global Guardian training exercise which is held every year using the whole fleet of E-4s. Look up Global Guardian.
akula444 3 years ago
Try posting on this subject and then try to find your post, if it doesn't agree with the government's version. I am curious if others find that their posts get 'omitted'.
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omnpmh108 2 years ago
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Yes, I have noticed this sort of thing on several occasions. Not sure if I'm ready to declare a conspiracy just yet, but it is interesting.
omnpmh108 2 years ago
If we dont come together.
we are all going to be sold as slaves.
i can see it now. that is if this damn
supervolcanoe in yellowstone doesnt blow
the usa to hell and send the whole world spiraling back to cavemen
Antwan760 3 years ago
Good can't wait till we all can each have slaves to wash our backs and tie our shoes... Just kidding haha... That will never happen! We'll fight for our freedom and continue to fight for it till we prevailed! Look at the Roman empire Spartacus a former slave liberated all the slaves and fought the greatest empire and nearly won...
Pellegrino80 3 years ago
I think the word nearly says it all
CHANNELOMD 2 years ago
man its called a bomb in the basement.
go watch the clips man.. multiple ppl werent even interviewed. and they worked in the damn towers janitors and what not.
its just sad how separated out country is.
no one wants to help anyone and thats exactly how the government planned shit out
Antwan760 3 years ago
They fly 24/7 for command and control in emergencies(I know 100%)
sizemate1 3 years ago
thats in silver spring near d.c not in d.c i take the silver spring mentro and ride on
sovietgen 3 years ago
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So many innocent people died on 9/11 for state sponsored terrorism. Thousands died to feed the evil goals of the U.S. government.
Go here and read the paper so many have already read and found the truth from.
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Visit and read this paper and know the truth, so many already have!
Real patriots question.
--"Any excuse will serve a tyrant"--Aesop
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
The E-4B Doomsday plane. Look up Mark Gaffney's book on Amazon - The 9/11 Mystery Plane.
Madrevolt 3 years ago
Some E4 plane´s utilities includes:
Radio Control of commercial airplanes in case of Highjack.
Radio Control of Cruise Missles.
Distribution of Live Video Signals coming from UAV planes and Spy Drones.
I mean: It sent the Missiles against WTC and Pentagon, meanwhile giving Mr Bush Live coverage of the events thankx to the spy drones we all saw flying on 911.
Bush is such a Fucktard that later revealed this in his own words:
watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60
arsenium666 3 years ago 3
Your a fucking DUMBASS!
gidsum29 3 years ago
the E6B is designed to be up in the air in minutes if a disaser or attack occurs...why wouldn't it be up after the Twin Towers were hit and Washington was a target?
stoic61 3 years ago
Im so fucking sick of that white fkn jet, I wanna know what the fuck that shit is. Anybody who is burying their heads in the sand should be ashamed. These white jets are spraying the fucking sky everyday, they were spotted on 9/11. Just tell us the fucking truth, we all know 9/11 was set up.
Surfer22z 3 years ago
ive studied this lots and came to the conclusion that it was nothing more than a horrific terrorist attack,althogh there were coincidences thats all they were and if you know more than me fair enough enlighten me because all the millions of dollars the gov spent on inquirys didnt find shit
daveybaby10 3 years ago
I know some things, please send me a pm, we can talk
Surfer22z 3 years ago
i saw about 3 white jets spraying this white stuff and i think that it might be poison because if you do see those white trails take a jar with a small amount of liquid(water) and come back to it after the trail is done and see if there is anything in that jar
ghostkid432 3 years ago
Are you dumb? Evaporation took your water....the white trails are contrails. Which occur at high altitudes when the hot jet exhaust meets the cold air.
STSDrummer03 3 years ago
Yes, he is dumb. But I think what he's trying to say is that there's likely to be particulate settled either on the surface of the water or on the bottom of the glass - presumably from the "chemtrails" - but what is really going to be pollen, dust, etc.
waddsworth 3 years ago
Thank You. Finally someone else with some common sense on that topic.
STSDrummer03 3 years ago
They were obviously watching their handywork, we don't need this vid anyone with COMMON SENSE can tell the buildings look identical to control demolition. If not how did both just happen to land in their basements, not one toppled over. Because Controlled Demolition Inc. Will tell you it's an Art to put a building in it's basement. It's so obvious with a little comon sense you can tell a plane didnt hit the pentagon either, if you unwash your brain you can tell the hole looks nothing like plane
toob247 3 years ago
That's a 747 you idiots.
NordicBlondeBeauty 3 years ago
The E-4B is a modified 747, you idiot.
b1cc2 3 years ago
there is a theory that a plane projected the world trade centre "areoplanes" with very sophisticated projection technology. personnaly im jus sick of those lyin bastards.
barrybear26 3 years ago
worst editing in the WORLD.
kevingalls 3 years ago
Oddly enough, I to am Canadian, and again also tired of freezing my f__king ass off!
What are the odds
Go Sens Go
socratescafe 3 years ago
thats the air force one
Elraton360 3 years ago
Air Force One isn't an E4B. It was also in Florida at that time.
Did you just wake up?
socratescafe 3 years ago
Conspiracy? LOL! Stop smoking that crystal meth and the conspiracy will disappear.
trex250 3 years ago
Um, not matter how you look at this, it is a conspiracy. 19 Arab hijackers is a conspiracy theory, and I say theory, because there is no solid evidence implicating anyone of this crime.
Speaking of not smoking crystal meth...
socratescafe 3 years ago
Naw obviously a guy in a cave planned this out
P0P357UR3 3 years ago
Obviously!!!
Fuck, the things you can plan from a cave these days is just mind blowing.
I planned my companies last fiscal quarter from a cave and let me tell you, we're selling gangbusters now!!!
It's this milleniums Golf Clubhouse.
And apparently, Osama's thoughtful spot!
socratescafe 3 years ago
I knew that you were a Canadian before you 'fessed up. Only we Canadians, and perhaps the Brits, are this fabulously witty.
thegirl44 3 years ago
you mean your goverment just do this to have a reason to go to war to oter countries..?
freshmeat24 3 years ago 26
@freshmeat24 yup
sslitherr 1 year ago
@sslitherr what
hm11ify 1 year ago
@freshmeat24 Yep isn't it great :D
alientruth13 1 year ago
@freshmeat24 No, it's the oil. All about the oil.
Volcanicflamefox 1 year ago
I feel sorry for you conspiracy dudes... I know a black ops guy that said within the next 6 months all conspiracy theorists will meet an untimely, unexplainable, untrackable but extremely suspicious death... I tried to talk him out of it but he insisted. Sorry guys, I did my best...
notafraidoffuture 3 years ago
So, no follow-up questions? Or did you not get what you were after?
Conspiracy dudes? Um, jackass, that includes the President and everyone else that believe the 19 ARAB HIJACKER CONSPIRACY THEORY!
It to, is a conspiracy theory, nothings been proven, just some finger pointing.
LOL, you've got this all sussed out huh? Geez, you must be real smart.
socratescafe 3 years ago
What exactly is the point of this video? The same nonsense as the "mystery aircraft" they think was an A10 and was a common corporate jet with engines on the side like an A10 even described as having winglets like a corporate jet? Nutters and Morons give it up...
notafraidoffuture 3 years ago
It's an E4B. Look that up. No "nutters" about it. It a military aircraft, unaccounted for that day. Do some research instead of just spouting of the top of your ill-informed head.
Speaking of morons...
socratescafe 3 years ago
What do you think it was doing?
notafraidoffuture 3 years ago
I could speculate, but what's the point? All I know is no one has claimed to know anything about it.
And funny how it shows up over New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, yet no one will officially take responsibility for it.
Were you hoping to illicit a " it was running the black-op" response? Looks that way.
Strange way to get to the truth, don't you think.
socratescafe 3 years ago
it looks like a plane that is called doomes day plane
camaros65 3 years ago
Um... what exactly are we supposed to be looking at/for here? A Surveillance plane above the Pentagon does not surprise me. But then again, one that was there at the time of the 9/11 'attacks' without an absolute barrage of F16's by it's side does. Are you hinting that the AWAC was just sitting there watching, while the 'aircraft' that crashed into the Pentagon (but was never found) went on to accomplish it's 'mission' ?? Something is terribly wrong with this picture...
Quokka57 3 years ago
I think some of you are forgetting that the E4B's routinely fly with fighter escort - let alone a national emergency.
So its presence is a confirmation of jet aircraft near the pentagon, and apparently they didn't feel the need to protect it, even though they were monitoring the flightpath of the inbound.
Oh, and then there's the drills... operation northwoods... the firemen hearing explosions in the basement.. etc..
mike6291 3 years ago
NOCC, also known as the E-4B don't not in fact normally fly with fighter jets in close proximity of the air craft. The fighters are normal kept father away from he aircraft then you can see in the video to prevent a collision.
superspy3000 3 years ago
Explosions in the basement... I'm SURE they could not have been mistaken. EVERYONE has been in the basement of a building just prior to a collapse and knows EXACTLY what it sounds like...
notafraidoffuture 3 years ago
Actually the explosions were at the moment of impact, not when the towers collapsed.
Big fucking difference.
Try to keep it straight.
Then explain what it was that damaged the subway tunnel adjacent to the basements. Damage so bad, they had to disontinue routes in that tunnel which filled with smoke.
Now how does smoke from the 90th floor fill an underground subway tunnel but not the lobby?
socratescafe 3 years ago 2
man its called a bomb in the basement.
go watch the clips man.. multiple ppl werent even interviewed. and they worked in the damn towers janitors and what not.
its just sad how separated out country is.
no one wants to help anyone and thats exactly how the government planned shit out
Antwan760 3 years ago
That's a sort of AWACS, but more to be protecting the Presiedent thant actually coordinating attacks as most AWACS do. Its just making sure that nothing is heading towards the president at all time.
PashMaster01 3 years ago
The aircraft in the video is at E-4B not E-3 Sentry. The E-4B is a command and control aircraft and is basically a big fly cell phone for people in the government to talk to other people in the government in a secure manner.
superspy3000 3 years ago
Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Its not actually an AWACS. ; )
PashMaster01 3 years ago
they can't make a holographic planes in the air theres no material in the air that it would show up on
kellyxkinevel 3 years ago
Before you decide what can and can't be done, you should actually research this. It's amazing what can be done thses days.
Bet you think making something invisible is impossible to huh?
You'd be wrong again.
socratescafe 3 years ago
Hey, you truthers think that our government can project holographic planes in the air. There probably wasnt an airplane. It was probably a hologram.
Yeah, that makes more sense. It was a hologram. Now that one mystery is solved, the next mystery to solve is what the heck was that strange taste in my chicken and noodles? Hmmm
guitaristxcore 3 years ago
Total bullshit u dont even know its in washington
ahpeckus 3 years ago
Maybe perhaps you should actually do some research into this, instead of watching a singular video and deciding it's "Total bullshit"
It's not.
Unless those Secret Service guys on the White House roof watching it pass over and the evacuation of said White House because of the "unidentified white jet" was all just a result of mass hallucinations.
LOL
This just sums up what is patently wrong with the American education system.
socratescafe 3 years ago 2
Im sorry if I dont understand the significance of the jet in the skies over washington.
Thats a military jet, and has authority to be there. Its operations (the operations of intelegence gathering jets is normally clasified) are classified until the information is released for public consumption.
guitaristxcore 3 years ago
"Im sorry if I dont understand the significance"
The significance is that the government is keeping the identity of these flights ---- get ready for this!!!! SECRET !!!!!!!!!!!!
A true anomaly for the normally honest and forthright government. Right?
cchris874 3 years ago
Most Americans will never know everything that those intelegence gathering flights do. Its called national security, and the reason why we our government does tell us everything is to protect that national security. Im not about to get suspicious because I dont know what 1 airplane was doing on 911.
guitaristxcore 3 years ago
GuitarGuy
You should be suspicious of everything your government does, that's your job when you live in democracy.
"The cost of democracy is eternal vigilance"
Those planes saw everything you did, no National Security secret about it.
Plus, the E4B that's seen? No one, and I mean no one, has or will take responsibility, and the people at OAFB catagorically deny it's one of theirs.
But stick your head in the sand. I'll leave you with this:
"Evil is banal"
Look that up.
socratescafe 3 years ago
"Stick your head in the sand"?
What does not giving a crap about a military jet flying over a designated no-fly zone have to do with sticking my head in the sand? I have more important things to worry about.
Besides all of this, what does it matter that one of these jets were in the air on 911?
And, btw, I went and did some reading on the e4b. I was wrong about its actual mission. Its a flying base of ops for our gov in case of a severe emergency. I think 911 counts as a severe emergency.
guitaristxcore 3 years ago
"What does not giving a crap about a military jet flying over a designated no-fly zone have to do with sticking my head in the sand?"
Seriously, you actually have to ask? Really? You're that shit stupid?
"What does it matter that one of these jets were in the air on 911?"
They weren't supposed to be in the air. Headquarters, Strategic Air Command, Offutt AFB is where they are based. That's in Nebraska. How long does it take to fly an E4B from Nebraska to NYC? It's 7 states away!
socratescafe 3 years ago
"Thats a military jet, and has authority to be there"
You're not paying attention.
The people responsible for those jets say all of theres were on the ground. They produced the flight logs for CNN. Not a classified secret at all.
Do you just make this stuff up? If you'd spent a split second researching the E4B's, maybe you might not come off like some high school kid assuming he knows it all.
But, unfortunately, you do.
Going to the prom?
socratescafe 3 years ago 3
I'd like to learn more about the E4B seen over the Shanksville site. Does anyone have a link?
Thanks
cchris874 3 years ago
It's easy
Enter E4B and Shanksville into Google or YouTube. Sorry, no links that I've bookmarked
Take it all with a grain of salt, in fact, have a bag of salt, just in case.
socratescafe 3 years ago
0:23 wow trees do look like that... all fake this vid is fake i mean you could take a picture of a plane shake that picture add some scenery and sound fx and bam you have made this video. your prize the dumbass award.
liberator1337 3 years ago
wow a 747
big whoop tee shit
jeffmitchell123456 3 years ago
At what point is it shown that
A) This tape is from that date?
B) The plane is anywhere near the Whitehouse?
civicarcadia92 3 years ago
So I take it no one can provide documentation either twin tower fell in less than 9.8 seconds?
cchris874 3 years ago
Watch the video, grab a stopwatch. Hit play, hit start at the same time.
Or read any of the official reports. I believe NIST's report mentions it also.
Not hard to figure out Bubba. Just count how long the structure of the building remains intact. You'll notice ZERO resistance of the structure as the building collapses. That shouldn't happen. You'll also notice the collapse speeds up, which again, it shouldn't, laws of physics being what they are.... that is, LAWS, not pliable rules
socratescafe 3 years ago
"I believe NIST's report mentions it also"
NIST states 8 and 9 seconds for the first exterior panels to reach the ground. That implies about a 12 second total fall time for each tower, given that the first exterior panels were about 1/4th and and 1/3 from the tops of each tower. I'll try to find a video that shows the entire collapse time, and get back to you. As for physics, I challenge you to go onto the JREF forums and state your points to the physicists there. I do it all the time.
cchris874 3 years ago
JREF Forums?
Why would I bother? What, their grasp of the exact same principals are better than my own? What, they know something about momentum conservation I don't?
Are they actually related to Mr Newton and Mr Einstein?
LOL, get a good education, and stop going to online forums.
As to the rest, it should have taken those towers 45 seconds each, at a minimum, to collpase, it took less then 12. The point son, is nothing impeded the collpase, it sped up. Try to address that.
socratescafe 3 years ago
First things first. Do you now agree the towers didn't fall in less than 9.8 seconds, as you previously stated?
cchris874 3 years ago
As a complete steel structure, that was no longer a 110 storey building, yep, in 9.8 seconds it ceased being a usable structure
Zero resistance.
Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?
socratescafe 3 years ago
"Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?"
When did it speed up, and by how much?
cchris874 3 years ago
Get back to me when you can actually discuss this. Do your due dilligance. That you pretend to not know that it sped up speaks volumes as to your mind set and reason for being here.
Or you're just ill-prepared.
socratescafe 3 years ago
I assume that when something starts moving from rest, it doesn't reach it's max speed instantaneously.
cchris874 3 years ago
"when something starts moving from rest, it doesn't reach it's max speed instantaneously"
Now you're talking about the physics of a freefall. To bad that's not what was supposed to happen at the WTC. How would it speed up, considering when you factor in momentum conservation(3rd Law).
Object at rest stays at rest, object in motion stays in motion, unless acted upon by an outside force(1rst Law)
That "outside force" was the buildings structural steel frame and core.(2nd Law)
socratescafe 3 years ago
"Now you're talking about the physics of a freefall."
Indeed. Since I don't have much physics background, I posted your point here, at JREF ( forums%randi%org/showthread%php?t=115628 ) (please replace all %s with dots)
So, you are simply saying things accelerate due to gravity??? Because if that's all, even I know that's what you'd expect. The people responding to your point have no idea what the big issue is.
cchris874 3 years ago
cont'd.
If there's some other point you're making, please explain yourself better, because know one has a clue to what your point is. As someone writes: "acceleration due to gravity is a normal phenomenom from taller heights."
Regards,
Chris
cchris874 3 years ago
"acceleration due to gravity is a normal phenomenom from taller heights."
Yes, when it's in freefall. IF you drooped an I-beam from the top of the WTC, of course it accelerates. But, put 250,000 tons of structural steel between it and the ground, and gauran-fucking-teed it's not only gonna slow down, it's gonna stop.
Please, in the future, discern the difference between dropping an object in freefall, and a structural steel buildings collpase. One is freefall, one is not supposed to be.
socratescafe 3 years ago
"But, put 250,000 tons of structural steel between it and the ground, and gauran-fucking-teed it's not only gonna slow down, it's gonna stop"
That's simply wrong, as any controlled demolitioner could tell you. As I stated, explosives have nothing to do with this phenomenon. In a CD, explosives are used to take out the support in ONE or TWO floors. Take out that support, and the building will fall, just as it did in the WTC. If you don't believe me, call any CDer of your choice.
cchris874 3 years ago
Finally, please take note that not a single one of the people writing these essays on "impossible collapse physics" has ever submitted their work to the larger scientific community for evaluation. If what you say is so glaringly impossible, every structural engineer the world over would have spoken out long ago. You and others who write in this vain would have us believe the government could fool the entire physics profession!!! It's so implausible as to be a joke.
cchris874 3 years ago
cont'd. . . .
Like I said, show us a science essay that's passed peeer review supporting this.
Good luck.
cchris874 3 years ago
Peer review, peer review, blah, blah, blah...
Enough with the fucking peer review rhetoric. You obviously don't understand the process, let alone having been through it. I have.
It's not the magic golden stamp that says "Absolute Truth". It's more like "You're Correct, in a Vacuum"
LOL
socratescafe 3 years ago
"I have."
Where? You are a published author?
You're right, peer review isn't a guarantee. But as Michael Shermer wrote, it's the best method yet invented for discerning sense from nonsense. The things you say are just ideas floating out there on the net. Talk to a CDer. EVERY SINGLE ONE who has spoken on the twin towers, agrees they were gravity collapses - and that includes the truther's favorite demolitioner, Danny Jowenko. What do you know that he, Brent Blanchard & Co. don't?
cchris874 3 years ago
A published author? Never been to University have you?
And I'm glad Michael Shermer has an opinion.
Listen, drop the didactic rhetoric and admit, this is my opinion vs yours. Neither is wrong.
So a bunch of guys at two different CD compannies also have opinions, great, why do you read them as gospel?
Has it ever occured to you that they could be wrong, after all, none of the above actually examined anything from ground zero.
So, they're just assuming, based on watching the collpase.
socratescafe 3 years ago
"this is my opinion vs yours."
Fine. You were the one coming on with a know-it-all attitude, like "guaran-fucking teed," "ill-prepared" etc. Peace brother. As
far as "neither is wrong," well, obviously there's nothing "wrong" with having an opinion. But both can't be right, now can they? Nor does it mean all opinions are equally valid. The opinions of the truth mvt are ridiculous, IMO. But I suppose there's a teeny weenie chance they could be right. One never knows for sure.
Cheers
cchris874 3 years ago
Educate me then. I don't know everyhting about 9/11. Prove to me you know the collapse sped up in a way that violates physics. Show me your evidence
cchris874 3 years ago
If you were the prepared debater you think you are, then you would know the towers did not collapse one second faster than free fall, as you stated . Did you not know your facts before you started berating people?
cchris874 3 years ago
Prepared debater? On YouTube?
If you want a debate, join a debating society.
This is "war of opinions" nothing more.
From the 911 Commision Report:
"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds""
What math do you have? Post it, let others peruse it, instead of rhetorically stating I'm wrong with nothing to prove your statement. That's just hyperbole, and I don't play at kids games.
socratescafe 3 years ago
"instead of rhetorically stating I'm wrong with nothing to prove"
I said you were incorrect when you stated that the towers fell one second faster than free fall.
Do you still say the towers fell faster than free fall? If so, where's your evidence? No official report states this, and no video that I've seen shows the entire sequence, where we can see the roof of the tower coming to rest in 8.8 seconds. If you make a claim, back it up. I stand corrected if shown to be wrong.
Cheers
cchris874 3 years ago
"said you were incorrect when you stated that the towers fell one second faster than free fall"
Good, all you have to do is prove it now.
And I guess those pinheads at the 911 Comm can't count either huh?
Faster than freefall? Where did I say that? Cite that won't you, then I'll respond
socratescafe 3 years ago
"Faster than freefall? Where did I say that? Cite that won't you, then I'll respond"
Right here, 2 weeks ago. Here's the exact quote:
"and that still won't explain a 9 and 11 second collpase ime for those towers.
So why did it let go symetrically? No answer
Was it a "conspircay" of 19 Arabs? No answer
1 second faster than "freefall" Why? No answer"
Can't keep your facts straight?
cchris874 3 years ago
cont'd. . . .
I then asked for a source, and you wrote
"The 9 seconds is from the 911 Commission"
No, the commission states 10 seconds.
Look, if you want the so-called well prepared discussion you asked for, don't lecture me about being ill-prepared and then keep changing versions of the collapse times, and misquoting your source.
Thanks
cchris874 3 years ago
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)
or
2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared)
Time(squared) = (2 x Distance) / Gravity
Time(squared) = 2710 / 32 = 84.7
Time = 9.2
So it would have taken 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' previous height.
10 seconds huh?
socratescafe 3 years ago
Like I said, it wasn't one second faster than free fall, as you originally said, but then forgot what you wrote. As to ten seconds, I believe the commission report is off. In any case, there have been peer review papers which I'm happy to link, confirming that there's nothing at all suspicious about the fall times. I also spoke to a well known CDer(Brent Blanchard). In every CD, it's gravity, not explosives, that accounts for the rapid fall rate observed.
cchris874 3 years ago
Anytime there's any kind of crisis like 9/11, there will be people who create conspiracies to try and get themselves their 15 minutes of fame or their shot to "make a change" in the way they feel the government should be doing its business. This is a hoax.
mtiefenbach 3 years ago
If it's a hoax, then CNN, FOX, NBC, CBC and ABC not to mention BBC and CBC were all fooled. Especially the footage shot by CNN. it's obviously a fake. And those Secret Service guys that were up on the White House roof watching the E4B fly over them, that was a hallucination. When they evacuated the WH becuase of this plane, they were just seeing things huh? Mass halucinations now you say?
socratescafe 3 years ago
There's another EB-4 plane seen at the WTC site when the towers were going down and also another at the site where the plane crashed into the field...
KawasakiPlant 3 years ago
NO there wasnt
SArmagh681 3 years ago
Wow, good argument.
How then do you explain the footage of an E4B flying over NYC? Or the reports from Shanksville? Video footage is pretty hard to argue with.
socratescafe 3 years ago
There was no plane over shanksville or New York so again another pointless post by you
SArmagh681 3 years ago
Um, the video footage says different. What, the video footage is wrong? CNN faked the video?
The witnesses in Shanksville are wrong?
E4B over all 3 sites.
Hard to argue with actual video footage.
Pointless?
Yeah, that's it. Again, great argument on your part.
LOL
Move on kid
Take another look Elvis.
socratescafe 3 years ago
What video footage i havnt seen any, so stop spewing ur unfounded bullshit and stick to cold hard fact boy.
SArmagh681 3 years ago
Unfounded? It's unfounded because you haven't seen it? LOL
Cold hard fact? If that's what you want, then just enter B New York City 911 in google. There's video footage of it all over YouTube also, not hard to find kid.
What, did CNN and CBC fake the video of the E4B over NYC? Did the Discovery Channel fake it to?
socratescafe 3 years ago
And if anyone wants a link to the real reosons why the WTC collapsed email me at cky519100@yahoo
SArmagh681 3 years ago
Shenon's book "The Commission" never mentions the radar data itself and of course makes no references at all to the E-4B, the three jet fighters that took off at 8:35 AM, the Langley jets diversion south at 9:50 AM, etc. The fact that this documented information was deliberately excluded by the 9/11 Commission in it's supposedly comprehensive investigation is more significant than its internal politics which is all Shenon seems interested in. Talk about missing the real story. [Pinnacle's words]
911stealth 3 years ago
BTW, if Andrews had an E4B, Cheney's ass would have been on it instead of in The Bunker. It is simply the safest place with all the gear anyone could have been on that day...as long as it is in the sky, that is why it did not land and pick him up. Aircraft by their nature are neither offensive nor defensive setting on the ground. Bush only landed to refuel when he had cover of armed and ready fighter aircraft...like Bush said, he did not fear for his life that day with a fighter on each wing.
drgonzo767 3 years ago
of course there wa an E4B maybe not at Andrews but near enough to Washingtion that it flew there when ordred too
SArmagh681 3 years ago
Got any proof of that? Like a flight manifest?
socratescafe 3 years ago
A flight manifest from what the plane that crashed?, No retard, im sorry but at that moment in time i didnt feel like climbing 76 stories to search through a burning deathtrap for a fucking flight manifest
SArmagh681 3 years ago