Logical fallacies is a topic that should be taught in school at the earliest age possible and repeated throughout one's academic career. Don't teach students WHAT to think. Teach them HOW to think for themselves.
I like how he says "I made my point" at the end. Kind of like a someone who has just had the crap beaten out of them, gets-up and walks away dusting his hands off saying "That'll show you!"
How slow is this guy? A ton of Creationists see this quote by itself and spread it around but I've never seen a Creationist who conciously is aware of what he goes on to say but then still uses it. He's an idiot.
The deceitfulness of Creationists will never cease to amaze me. If anyone who actually cares about an author's idea, you need to read the whole passage because one simple quote can easily be used and turned against what they stand for if taken out of context. Darwin goes on for three more pages, beginning with, literally right after the end of that quote, saying "Yet reason tells me..." And he discusses the viability of intermediate stages of eyelessness to our own.
If creationists are gonna continue quote-mining Darwin with that quote, remember, he said it "SEEMS absurd". He never said it was objectively absurd or contrary to reality or anything like that.
Animals do not decide what traits they will inherit! It is through natural selection that determines what traits a species will inherit from their ancestor. And creationism is for the close-minded idiots who fail to discern the difference between reality and fantasy!
Such an ignoramus, he couldn't understand the true meaning of Darwin's quote as he read it! He still had his "jesus-glasses" (blinders) on as the true meaning of the quote was explained.
The concept of change over time shouldn't be so hard to accept.
@oldlite Creation is right: Oneday a god, comming from god knows where, stepped you of the void , said ' POOF " and there was the whole universe, just like that OUT OF NOTHING. Too bad he doesn`t say " POOF" to feed the 2 billion people going hungry. Creation is so infantile, so stupid, that from the 106 colleges, which form the " Christian Coalition of Colleges" only 5 teach litteral biblical creation. That says it all.
I "believe" in Einstein's theory of relativity, so I'm an Einsteinist. I "believe in Newton's laws of motion", so I'm a Newtonionist. I "believe" their theories up to the point where it's limited by the knowledge at the time, so Einstein, Darwin and Newton had a few gaps, some of which have been "filled" with actual knowledge (not "goddidit").
how do you explain the emergence of human continuousness? how can someone just explain what it means to be alive? surly we must realize the flaws of anthropic bias.
@CRISNCHIPS12398 Yeah, he was a slow reader, but to be fair to the poor guy, Darwin's writing is in a very difficult style for modern readers, and as the guy himself admitted, he had not deconstructed the next part.
@arcadesj The point is he SHOULD have understood the entire quote before calling a public show and quoted it. This is exactly why quote mining spreads.
Picking only parts of quotes is why Christians believe God says Homosexuality is a sin. Leviticus also said slavery was okay. But do they say that? Nope cause that would make them look bad since slavery was abolished. It would never have been an issue if bible-thumpers weren't in office. Fucked up world we live in today.
"Nope cause that would make them look bad since slavery was abolished. It would never have been an issue if bible-thumpers weren't in office."
you ignorant punk. I'm black. Slavery was an issue only because the southern economy depended on it. Nat Turner, a slave, learned to read, and read the bible. After he did, he found many quotes in the bible claiming that slavery was evil. He escaped, and used the bible as the conviction he was doing the right thing.
Are you saying good morals (not "good morality" because that doesn't make sense) come from God? Care to prove it?
My counter-argument is that morality has formed over the history of man, we've learned the the ways for survival and social interaction that allow us to continue living and advancing together without trying to bring the species down. That's how a species works, it has nothing to do with the Bible if that's what you're thinking.
@Lars0n LOL. The fact that atheists have no good morals proves that. I mean, who wants to be like one of you, atheists? God has always wispered morality in the ears of man since he was introduced into the world.
@Airlightf Please explain how atheists have no good morals.
Personally I base my morales on something that resembles the Golden Rule. I want the best for myself, but I acknowledge that everyone else wants their own best as well. Therefore, instead of anarchistically fighting for our own good, we should co-operate, because that way we can reach far more than alone. That is why I treat people the way I want to be treated: I don't step on their freedom to find their happiness while I do it myself.
One: People look for their own good by doing everything, including rape and murder, to achieve it.
Two: People look for their own good by doing things that do not too strongly fight against the same freedom of searching happiness of others. This "too strongly" is defined by the members of the society and followed by them to ensure everyone has a chance to express themselves and make themselves happy.
@Airlightf Then you have no morals. You have obediance to authority. If "G" told you to kill someone, that would be "moral" based on what you have stated. Luckily, we get our morals from the same place you (hopefully) do: the community. To put it generally and simply, we get our morals from what Christians call the "Golden Rule." If we are good to others, then it is likely that others will be good to us in return, and vica versa...
@Airlightf ...This comes about not from a god, but from needs of survival. Humans are not capable of surviving in the wilderness on our own. We can't run fast, we don't have claws or very sharp teeth, etc. The way early humans protected each other from preditors would have been by working together as groups. If a group member would cause trouble for the group, that member would need to be kicked out of the group. We still have these survival instincts today.
@lgbuzals Yes, this is what they teach you. They weren't there to start with. They just imagine how people lived and survived during that time but hey they don't know. Nobody knows. The reality is that we are still " selfish people."
Isn't the entire thing the guy you responded to screams selfishness?
That's the entire point, in essence ANYTHING we do is selfish.
I send money to Africa. Why?
Because at one point ANY human around was important, they protected me and vice versa, therefore, I have to protect him because I have to protect every human.
@oldlite The worms will feast on the juice of your brain and mine just the same.If you have ANY proof of another afterlife, I am listening. Saw an interview on TV of an Anglican bishop. Somebody in the audience asked : Monsignor do you belieev in an afterlife and if so, what`s the evidence?; Reply: I don`t know if there is an afterlife. Nobody ever returned from the dead. But I believe in god`s love, he will take care of this problem. Got it ?
@ndzoko You are right my body would be worm food if I was not going to be cremated and put in a shoe box. You want to be embalmed and be stiff as a board that is your choice, however formaldehyde is kind of repugnant to me, having some mortician put make up on my face and stuffing my face with toilet paper to fill out the cheeks. Take one last look dear folks and say your goodbyes to a stiff. ha ha ha.
I'm sorry but where's your research that shows any and all atheists have no good morals? Because I'm kind of sure that they do. Maybe you could help me to understand by presenting the morals that you think atheists don't have?
And how do you exactly know that God ever did anything? Before you go on about the Bible, I'm sure that you've encountered this little phrase before; the Bible doesn't matter because there's no evidence of anything that it depicts happening.
From our parents and personal preferences that come from genetical differences. Now, will you answer my questions? I'll remind you of what those were:
"Where's your research (proof) that shows any and all atheists have no good morals?"
"Maybe you could help me to understand by presenting the morals that you think atheists don't have?"
"How do you exactly know that God ever did anything?"
@Airlightf Suppose you have a daughter, she's virgin. One day she's coming home from school and is taking a walk trough some fields to pick up flowers. Someone sees her and rapes her. She comes home crying then a man rings up to you and rpesents you 50 pieces of silver. What do you do?
1)report him to the police and have him thrown in jail
2)give him your daughter as wife
n.1 comes from the law of your country (i hope) n.2 comes from the law of god (deuteronomy 22:28-29) which one do you apply?
I smell Nietzsche.......there's a reason why his philosophy has never (and will never) take hold. You can't reinvent the wheel, or, in the words of C.S. Lewis, you cannot survive on "bricks and centipedes."
Atheists’ arguments against God are laughable and moronic: If I can give Christians a better life (than the kind of life Jesus—their king—gives them) or at least show them[convince them with facts my way is better than Jesus’] the best way to live life, then I have a right to open my mouth and speak up. But if I cannot do either, then the best thing for me to do is to shut my mouth and let Christians live their lives in Jesus’ Love, Way, and truth!!!
@Airlightf it's not what belief is most comforting that should be beleived, it's the one that can be supported. oh, an I can say the same of christians - they always criticise atheists and go on about them going to hell, an telling people that they are evil, but when an athiest does the EXACT same thing to them, they get angry. hypocrites.
@Airlightf Please explain how are Christians - the ones who hold onto dogmatic, harmful and completely untrue morals, for example on homosexuality, polyamory, incest, yet disregard other equally important moral passages on, for example, two different grains in one field or two fabrics in one piece of cloth - are "good people"?
@Airlightf What do you mean by "respect God"? From what I've seen, the only appropriate definition of that is "Christian", as everyone else seems to be discriminated against by Christians.
You can't tick me off by quoting, misquoting, or insulting Darwin. he's not my god or saint. You simply demonstrate ignorance by doing so. Darwin set the stage for evolutionary science, but he's not some sort of deity that can be blasphemed, merely a very capable scientist and mind. Furthermore, evolution is not a religion that can be violated, but a scientific theory that welcomes new data and criticism in order to increase its accuracy and validity. These things do not offend me.
@zenithar6666 Oh, probably the dictionary definition:
1 : a person learned in science and especially natural science : a scientific investigator
And probably the fact that virtually every historical source indicates his preeminence as a scientist, that he founded the scientific theory of natural selection, the fact that he used scientific inquiry to research his discoveries, the fact that he was a recognized member of scientific organizations of his time.
so the above definition means that i am a scientist? please, I've nothing against the man, just stating the facts and trying to get as close as i can to the answers of origins and biology etc!!
@zenithar6666 Do you professionally practice the field of science and have an advanced education? If so, then you already know the answer to that question. There is a wealth of information on Darwin, natural selection, and evolution available on the web. If you really want to know about them, I'd suggest reading up on it. I would, however, caution you about reading sources from creationist sites, as the information there is usually flawed and bias.
I am well versed in both darwinism and all that it entails, and frankly it has not yet convinced me, of course evolution happens, sometiems strikinly fast, too fast too be acounted for by random mutations, its the mechanisms that i dont yet agree with, we can talk more if you like!
@zenithar6666 That you don't agree with? Are you performing research to back up those misgivings, or just making a direct declaration that you don't believe it? Their's a mountain of evidence to suggest natural selection is accurate, and I'm simply wondering what you base your skepticism on. I'm not saying it should be believed without doubt, that's not how science works, but am wondering what information you have that makes you so unconvinced.
why do you think im talking about natural selection, this is the problem in all the biological texts, papers, and books i have read, everyone just keep up the mantra of natural selection as if thats the answer to it all, ignoring that fact that random mutations can apperatnly produce new speceis, new genus, and stupidly complex features like a freaking insect that is basically a leaf with legs...its fatih and extrapolation, we can debate if you like in private!
I love the way he laughs after they say "What comes next?". Like he's thinking "What are they talking about, the rest of the quote, ha! Like I need to read that"
even if darwin thought that this was absurd or even if he converted at his deathbed(which he didn't) that doesn't change the fact that evolution is true. If the pope came foreward and said that christianity is bullshit and he couldn't go on living telling people a lie i would guarantee that people would still follow christianity. they would say "the pope doesn't speak for me." I know this because i have asked what christians would do if the pope did this.
The best response for someone who doesn't read (or understand) how Darwin's quote is a positive argument for natural selection/evolution is as follows:
Make them watch an infomercial.
"You would think I'm crazy to spill red wine on this white rug!"
-Person spills wine-
"But watch as I apply ReallyCleanItUpperSpray brand gel to the rug!"
I've actually seen some creationists omit that word "seems" when mining this quote. They know they are lying but they think it's okay because it for god. And there's nothing in the nine comandments that forbids lying.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness" is generally interpreted as a prohibition against lying.
But you're right that some creationists will have no problem breaking any law, including their god's, if they think they are justified. I'm sure the irony of breaking God's law in an effort to get people to obey God's law is totally lost on them.
It must be harsh to find something wrong that Darwin ever said if you're a creationist.
And it's not like he didn't, he got tons of things wrong: the only problem here is that we only know that he did get them wrong from the newly surfaced - oh right - evidence for evolution.
Mine as well about two years ago. And then I found loads of other people like me. I now have the balls to say outright I don't follow this theist nonsense!
I had to face-palm for a few minutes while laughing my face off. This guy got destroyed, though I give him credit for sticking through the call instead of hanging up because he got exposed for quote mining.
actually, there was 15 commandments, but moses dropped one of the tablets on the way down the mountain, felt too embarrassed to go back to the bush and ask for a reprint.
@mrgreyblake Was that in a Simpson episode too? It was (probably) originally from Mel Brooks 'History of the World Part 1' - at least that were I got it from.
@GorgeGeorg not exactly. moses had 15 commandments but when he got back down the mountain everyone was worshiping a golden idol and moses got super pissed and broke the tablets. then he releazed that was stupid so he went back up the mountain and asked for them again but he only got 10 that time.
Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture (1967). anyone who believes that the first three chapters of Genesis are a literal account is ignorant either of science or exegesis.
I am a born again, scripture reading, Jesus believing "freak" and I really enjoyed this video and the way these 2 gentleman approached this entire topic and it shows that not only Christians but anybody can take a sentence out of any book and try to make it fit whatever point of view they are trying to prove. I even yelled out for the caller to just read the next sentence like the show host asked him to-frustrating it is-excellent job guys-accepting a view point does not make someone a disciple!
@gwen, your post seems odd starting with a self-proclamation of being a Jesus 'freak'. The caller was the Christian and it was he that was taking the sentence out of the book and trying to make it fit whatever pov he was trying to prove - not the 2 NON-christian hosts (i presume the 'anybody' you mentioned). and who got made a disciple exactly? what is that about?
Yes, I stand behind my self-proclamation, but my self-proclamation wasn't the topic of my post. It was clear that the CALLER did not understand what he was reading and was taking what was written out of context from how the author meant it, which is what the 2 show host were trying to get the caller to understand. When they asked him to read the next sentence and he wouldn't, I even yelled to my computer "read the next sentence" and started laughing. I was not talking about the 2 host.
dubbleplusgood-I like your screen name, I also relistened through the video till the caller hung up and I did not hear him identify himself as a Christian, although I imagine it wouldn't be to far a leap to presume he was since it's probably safe to say that most people who argue against evolution are Christians. But, it is very possible to not be a Christian or a scientist and not agree with evolution.
Evolution can be defined in broad terms - A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. There is plenty of room in this theory (or I presume, a fact for you) for people or scientist not of "faith" to disagree with all the intricate details or even entire idea in general in regards to the species of mankind because of the definition above which refers to "something" not necessarily mankind.
Mankind, in general, can be guilty of taking information from whatever source they can find and using it to prove/justify their beliefs-not just Christians. I'm hoping as rational and logical human beings, all of mankind can agree on that truth regardless of what our beliefs/ non-beliefs are, although history books and my personal experience of 37 years on this mound of dirt called Earth leads me to the conclusion that, "it ain't probably gonna happen." LOL!
Disciple does carry religious connotations to it, but it is also defined as a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another. I think those 2 host did a good job of pointing out they will examine any claim made by someone regardless of whether they have agreed with them in the past. I sure hope the FDA continues to test a new medicine and doesn't approve it based on a companies past success no matter how Christian they claim to be. Amen? Bear with me, one more post please.
Thank you so much for asking me to clarify what I wrote. I had to look in the dictionary numerous times with all these post-LOL-I think it is what I love most about my "self-proclaimed" atheist friends, they provide excellent "reality checks" and they challenge me, O
God, it is so nice to be challenged instead of preached to, isn't it. I am looking into evolution- it is a slow process- welcome any help you can lend- BUT even if I find it to be true, I will still be a "Jesus Freak."
"I am looking into evolution- it is a slow process" - gwenthorn24
Yeah, millions of years even ;)
Gwen, you say you would remain a "Jesus Freak" even if various elements of your current world view are proven erroneous - is this because of the social aspect of religion; you wouldn't want to be alienated from your friends etc?
:) that was funny-lol, but I meant the process of examining evolution-I always thought there was no fossil evidence for it, but I was listening to a debate between Kirk Cameron/ Ray Comfort and two atheist (sorry, don't know there names-gotta relisten to the debates) here on utube and one of the atheist stated there was fossil evidence for it in the natural museums-oh, how I would love to spend hours roaming the halls and reading/learning-how does science believe matter formed?
Gwen, I don't believe with current science we can create matter - though we can certainly turn matter into energy (that's where E=mc^2 comes into play) and probably the reverse as well, but as far as I know science can give us insight into the past only to about a quadrillionth of a second after the Big Bang itself. Before that, we don't have a working knowledge of what happened.
My personal theory (which is entirely speculation) is that perhaps it's an infinite cycle of 'crunches' & 'bangs'..
Logical fallacies is a topic that should be taught in school at the earliest age possible and repeated throughout one's academic career. Don't teach students WHAT to think. Teach them HOW to think for themselves.
pfreddyp 1 month ago
This caller, this fucking idiot, doesn't even understand the shit he's reading. Go back to school and put down the bible you stupid fuck.
pfreddyp 1 month ago
Somewhere in the bible there is a line that goes, "there is no god." Therefore the bible's stance is that there is no god.
cemarz 2 months ago
I like how he says "I made my point" at the end. Kind of like a someone who has just had the crap beaten out of them, gets-up and walks away dusting his hands off saying "That'll show you!"
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geez people shut the fuck up creationist.
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Hitler, I believe, was Roman Catholic... Catholics are hereby Hitlerists.
JaySmith91 3 months ago
To know that there is such an epic self-destruction, I freely admit, is absurb to the highest degree
uyenst 4 months ago
evolution would have put a third eye in back of the head to watch out for predators
oldlite 4 months ago
creationists trying to understand science is cute, its like when my 4 year old nephew trys to explain a cartoon to me. Adorable!!
aegisgfx 5 months ago 3
I'm a Matt Dillahunty-IST!
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How slow is this guy? A ton of Creationists see this quote by itself and spread it around but I've never seen a Creationist who conciously is aware of what he goes on to say but then still uses it. He's an idiot.
pat5168 5 months ago
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@dimstar4now Haha it's funny reading that AFTER May 21.
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The deceitfulness of Creationists will never cease to amaze me. If anyone who actually cares about an author's idea, you need to read the whole passage because one simple quote can easily be used and turned against what they stand for if taken out of context. Darwin goes on for three more pages, beginning with, literally right after the end of that quote, saying "Yet reason tells me..." And he discusses the viability of intermediate stages of eyelessness to our own.
pat5168 5 months ago
If creationists are gonna continue quote-mining Darwin with that quote, remember, he said it "SEEMS absurd". He never said it was objectively absurd or contrary to reality or anything like that.
RandomBS88 6 months ago
@oldlite
>amoeba
>eye
>ass
>front
What are you talking about?
DonMezzo 7 months ago
This guy proves their point with his argument what a dumbass. read the whole thing you stupid idiot.
TheSilas20 8 months ago
Animals do not decide what traits they will inherit! It is through natural selection that determines what traits a species will inherit from their ancestor. And creationism is for the close-minded idiots who fail to discern the difference between reality and fantasy!
FallofDarkness55 9 months ago
change over time...yeah right the unintelligent amoeba decided the eye on the ass was not working so it decided to put it in front.
oldlite 9 months ago
@oldlite Too stupid to understand science?
Try religion.
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Feared Osama? Now Fear GOD!
Judgment Day is May 21
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dimstar4now 10 months ago
Duh!!!
Such an ignoramus, he couldn't understand the true meaning of Darwin's quote as he read it! He still had his "jesus-glasses" (blinders) on as the true meaning of the quote was explained.
The concept of change over time shouldn't be so hard to accept.
psycotria 10 months ago
wow... quote mining... Not surprising at alllllllll
toThe9thPower 10 months ago
the caller is evidently a poor reader/comprehender
pharyngealized 10 months ago
"well I made my point"
" ....yes..... yes you did"
Hahah twas quite the epic response!
CRUSH3Rdlux 10 months ago 2
explaining evolution to a creationist is like showing card tricks to a dog
wheresthebody 11 months ago 20
@wheresthebody no you are wrong some dogs are smart but creationist people is like having a dog to do card tricks
MeisterReaper 11 months ago
@wheresthebody I guess that's why they call it dogma.
turbowombat 11 months ago
@turbowombat amazing!
wheresthebody 11 months ago
@wheresthebody hahaha u always get the head tilted slightly to the side at first and then they just walked awayy lmao
konohanominato 11 months ago
@wheresthebody evolution is a false science without proof. It is ridiculous.
oldlite 4 months ago
@wheresthebody My dog has more sense than an evolutionist.
oldlite 4 months ago
@oldlite Creation is right: Oneday a god, comming from god knows where, stepped you of the void , said ' POOF " and there was the whole universe, just like that OUT OF NOTHING. Too bad he doesn`t say " POOF" to feed the 2 billion people going hungry. Creation is so infantile, so stupid, that from the 106 colleges, which form the " Christian Coalition of Colleges" only 5 teach litteral biblical creation. That says it all.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko You expect God to give out free turkey sandwiches.
oldlite 4 months ago
@oldlite > No, of course not !! he has no time, he is too busy counting the hairs on our skull.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@oldlite Your brain is no better than your dog`s. Admit it !!
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko My dog is smarter than me; must be she would not re[py to any Darweeniest.
oldlite 4 months ago
I "believe" in Einstein's theory of relativity, so I'm an Einsteinist. I "believe in Newton's laws of motion", so I'm a Newtonionist. I "believe" their theories up to the point where it's limited by the knowledge at the time, so Einstein, Darwin and Newton had a few gaps, some of which have been "filled" with actual knowledge (not "goddidit").
TurboDally 1 year ago
darwin should have added "i freely confess, now don't misquote me you fuck ups, to be absurd in the highest degree."
austinosaur 1 year ago
I love how he stopped immediately when he saw what he wanted to see.
rafaravioli 1 year ago
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how do you explain the emergence of human continuousness? how can someone just explain what it means to be alive? surly we must realize the flaws of anthropic bias.
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Alexon88 1 year ago
@Alexon88 I don't see how jew's control everything.Most of the richest people in the world are Muslim, Athiest, Christian and Hindu.
rangergxi 1 year ago
I like how he says "I have a quote it's three lines" and hosts jump and say no it's not three lines before he even reads it.Epicly owned.
MeetYourMeaker 1 year ago
lol he debunked himself.
BLUEC0RE 1 year ago
I can't believe people actually believe in religion and supernatural things in the 21st century.
CRISNCHIPS12398 1 year ago
@CRISNCHIPS12398 Yeah, he was a slow reader, but to be fair to the poor guy, Darwin's writing is in a very difficult style for modern readers, and as the guy himself admitted, he had not deconstructed the next part.
arcadesj 1 year ago
@arcadesj The point is he SHOULD have understood the entire quote before calling a public show and quoted it. This is exactly why quote mining spreads.
tml4873 1 year ago
this guy is a slow reader!
Chaaarge 1 year ago
If i hear one more christian use the term darwinist, i'm going to start calling christians "jesusists"
matthewlane 1 year ago 9
@matthewlane
More like "Paulists"
rafaravioli 1 year ago
@matthewlane
It's better to call them "of Nazarethists" as that was somewhat his last name. "Christist" would do fine as well.
Quintinohthree 1 year ago
@matthewlane OK I will start calling you a darweeniest
oldlite 4 months ago
Good videos guys, keep it up!
jpmahone 1 year ago
good videos guys
jpmahone 1 year ago
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God is not real! only logic has the answers. if logic can't answer a question...right at this moment...its not real!
whats funny is that atheist make fun of the bible all the time. But they don't have shit on the Jesus quotes.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
Picking only parts of quotes is why Christians believe God says Homosexuality is a sin. Leviticus also said slavery was okay. But do they say that? Nope cause that would make them look bad since slavery was abolished. It would never have been an issue if bible-thumpers weren't in office. Fucked up world we live in today.
kingofepic 1 year ago
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@kingofepic
"Nope cause that would make them look bad since slavery was abolished. It would never have been an issue if bible-thumpers weren't in office."
you ignorant punk. I'm black. Slavery was an issue only because the southern economy depended on it. Nat Turner, a slave, learned to read, and read the bible. After he did, he found many quotes in the bible claiming that slavery was evil. He escaped, and used the bible as the conviction he was doing the right thing.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
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@kingofepic
" Fucked up world we live in today."
yeah because dumb ass people like you don't know history.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
you 2 are very articulate. Good job at explainations!
bdhcarbon 1 year ago
Internet, debunking quoteminers since 1995.
DemokritosAbdera 1 year ago 3
these guys are awesome
tavo5150 1 year ago
That dude just got intellectually buttfucked
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
Atheists, go eat something. A banana or something! HAHAHAHHAHAHAH Take a break!
Airlightf 1 year ago
Good morality is from God.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf
Are you saying good morals (not "good morality" because that doesn't make sense) come from God? Care to prove it?
My counter-argument is that morality has formed over the history of man, we've learned the the ways for survival and social interaction that allow us to continue living and advancing together without trying to bring the species down. That's how a species works, it has nothing to do with the Bible if that's what you're thinking.
Lars0n 1 year ago
@Lars0n LOL. The fact that atheists have no good morals proves that. I mean, who wants to be like one of you, atheists? God has always wispered morality in the ears of man since he was introduced into the world.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf Please explain how atheists have no good morals.
Personally I base my morales on something that resembles the Golden Rule. I want the best for myself, but I acknowledge that everyone else wants their own best as well. Therefore, instead of anarchistically fighting for our own good, we should co-operate, because that way we can reach far more than alone. That is why I treat people the way I want to be treated: I don't step on their freedom to find their happiness while I do it myself.
TuucciZ 1 year ago
@TuucciZ Ah, you are a humble atheists. I want the best for myself too and no one can teach me good morals than G
"we should co-operate" How?
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf Okay, imagine two situations.
One: People look for their own good by doing everything, including rape and murder, to achieve it.
Two: People look for their own good by doing things that do not too strongly fight against the same freedom of searching happiness of others. This "too strongly" is defined by the members of the society and followed by them to ensure everyone has a chance to express themselves and make themselves happy.
Which one seems like what we have?
TuucciZ 1 year ago
@TuucciZ I do what G tells me to do. Not what others do or want me to do--achieve.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf Then you have no morals. You have obediance to authority. If "G" told you to kill someone, that would be "moral" based on what you have stated. Luckily, we get our morals from the same place you (hopefully) do: the community. To put it generally and simply, we get our morals from what Christians call the "Golden Rule." If we are good to others, then it is likely that others will be good to us in return, and vica versa...
lgbuzals 1 year ago
@Airlightf ...This comes about not from a god, but from needs of survival. Humans are not capable of surviving in the wilderness on our own. We can't run fast, we don't have claws or very sharp teeth, etc. The way early humans protected each other from preditors would have been by working together as groups. If a group member would cause trouble for the group, that member would need to be kicked out of the group. We still have these survival instincts today.
lgbuzals 1 year ago
@lgbuzals Yes, this is what they teach you. They weren't there to start with. They just imagine how people lived and survived during that time but hey they don't know. Nobody knows. The reality is that we are still " selfish people."
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf
Isn't the entire thing the guy you responded to screams selfishness?
That's the entire point, in essence ANYTHING we do is selfish.
I send money to Africa. Why?
Because at one point ANY human around was important, they protected me and vice versa, therefore, I have to protect him because I have to protect every human.
Being nice to your mother?
More pockmoney.
Bringing flowers to your GF?
I wanne fuck her tonight.
Londron 1 year ago
@lgbuzals Tell you what you atheists stick together for your survival because when you die all you will be is worm food.
oldlite 4 months ago
@oldlite The worms will feast on the juice of your brain and mine just the same.If you have ANY proof of another afterlife, I am listening. Saw an interview on TV of an Anglican bishop. Somebody in the audience asked : Monsignor do you belieev in an afterlife and if so, what`s the evidence?; Reply: I don`t know if there is an afterlife. Nobody ever returned from the dead. But I believe in god`s love, he will take care of this problem. Got it ?
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko You are right my body would be worm food if I was not going to be cremated and put in a shoe box. You want to be embalmed and be stiff as a board that is your choice, however formaldehyde is kind of repugnant to me, having some mortician put make up on my face and stuffing my face with toilet paper to fill out the cheeks. Take one last look dear folks and say your goodbyes to a stiff. ha ha ha.
oldlite 4 months ago
@Airlightf
I'm sorry but where's your research that shows any and all atheists have no good morals? Because I'm kind of sure that they do. Maybe you could help me to understand by presenting the morals that you think atheists don't have?
And how do you exactly know that God ever did anything? Before you go on about the Bible, I'm sure that you've encountered this little phrase before; the Bible doesn't matter because there's no evidence of anything that it depicts happening.
Lars0n 1 year ago
@Lars0n We love God and we get our morals from Him. But you, atheists, where do you get your morals?
Airlightf 1 year ago
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@Airlightf
From our parents and personal preferences that come from genetical differences. Now, will you answer my questions? I'll remind you of what those were:
"Where's your research (proof) that shows any and all atheists have no good morals?"
"Maybe you could help me to understand by presenting the morals that you think atheists don't have?"
"How do you exactly know that God ever did anything?"
Lars0n 1 year ago
@Airlightf Suppose you have a daughter, she's virgin. One day she's coming home from school and is taking a walk trough some fields to pick up flowers. Someone sees her and rapes her. She comes home crying then a man rings up to you and rpesents you 50 pieces of silver. What do you do?
1)report him to the police and have him thrown in jail
2)give him your daughter as wife
n.1 comes from the law of your country (i hope) n.2 comes from the law of god (deuteronomy 22:28-29) which one do you apply?
DSkaz89 1 year ago
@DSkaz89 A virgin daughter of mine does not go out alone. Especially in the fields where animals are/rule.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf
lol hi time traveler from 1800
DSkaz89 1 year ago
@DSkaz89 Stupidity grows quite fast :)
Airlightf 1 year ago
satan knows the bible well. he even knows that God exist. re-re's
patmig 1 year ago
@patmig so...? we don't believe in satan either!
robokill387 1 year ago
I smell Nietzsche.......there's a reason why his philosophy has never (and will never) take hold. You can't reinvent the wheel, or, in the words of C.S. Lewis, you cannot survive on "bricks and centipedes."
ThisIDig 1 year ago
Atheists’ arguments against God are laughable and moronic: If I can give Christians a better life (than the kind of life Jesus—their king—gives them) or at least show them[convince them with facts my way is better than Jesus’] the best way to live life, then I have a right to open my mouth and speak up. But if I cannot do either, then the best thing for me to do is to shut my mouth and let Christians live their lives in Jesus’ Love, Way, and truth!!!
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf it's not what belief is most comforting that should be beleived, it's the one that can be supported. oh, an I can say the same of christians - they always criticise atheists and go on about them going to hell, an telling people that they are evil, but when an athiest does the EXACT same thing to them, they get angry. hypocrites.
robokill387 1 year ago
@robokill387 No, atheist to the opposite of what Christians do. Christians are good people.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf Please explain how are Christians - the ones who hold onto dogmatic, harmful and completely untrue morals, for example on homosexuality, polyamory, incest, yet disregard other equally important moral passages on, for example, two different grains in one field or two fabrics in one piece of cloth - are "good people"?
TuucciZ 1 year ago
@TuucciZ Christian will be nice and good to you if you respect God.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf What do you mean by "respect God"? From what I've seen, the only appropriate definition of that is "Christian", as everyone else seems to be discriminated against by Christians.
TuucciZ 1 year ago
@TuucciZ You respect everybody That is the law. But if you break this law, you know the quensecuences
Airlightf 1 year ago
You can't tick me off by quoting, misquoting, or insulting Darwin. he's not my god or saint. You simply demonstrate ignorance by doing so. Darwin set the stage for evolutionary science, but he's not some sort of deity that can be blasphemed, merely a very capable scientist and mind. Furthermore, evolution is not a religion that can be violated, but a scientific theory that welcomes new data and criticism in order to increase its accuracy and validity. These things do not offend me.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
you think he was a scientist? whats your definition?
zenithar6666 1 year ago
@zenithar6666 Oh, probably the dictionary definition:
1 : a person learned in science and especially natural science : a scientific investigator
And probably the fact that virtually every historical source indicates his preeminence as a scientist, that he founded the scientific theory of natural selection, the fact that he used scientific inquiry to research his discoveries, the fact that he was a recognized member of scientific organizations of his time.
Do you refute it? If so, how and why?
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
so the above definition means that i am a scientist? please, I've nothing against the man, just stating the facts and trying to get as close as i can to the answers of origins and biology etc!!
zenithar6666 1 year ago
@zenithar6666 Do you professionally practice the field of science and have an advanced education? If so, then you already know the answer to that question. There is a wealth of information on Darwin, natural selection, and evolution available on the web. If you really want to know about them, I'd suggest reading up on it. I would, however, caution you about reading sources from creationist sites, as the information there is usually flawed and bias.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
I am well versed in both darwinism and all that it entails, and frankly it has not yet convinced me, of course evolution happens, sometiems strikinly fast, too fast too be acounted for by random mutations, its the mechanisms that i dont yet agree with, we can talk more if you like!
zenithar6666 1 year ago
@zenithar6666 That you don't agree with? Are you performing research to back up those misgivings, or just making a direct declaration that you don't believe it? Their's a mountain of evidence to suggest natural selection is accurate, and I'm simply wondering what you base your skepticism on. I'm not saying it should be believed without doubt, that's not how science works, but am wondering what information you have that makes you so unconvinced.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
why do you think im talking about natural selection, this is the problem in all the biological texts, papers, and books i have read, everyone just keep up the mantra of natural selection as if thats the answer to it all, ignoring that fact that random mutations can apperatnly produce new speceis, new genus, and stupidly complex features like a freaking insect that is basically a leaf with legs...its fatih and extrapolation, we can debate if you like in private!
zenithar6666 1 year ago
@zenithar6666 obviously you haven't, because you haven't realised that there is no such thing as darwinism.
robokill387 1 year ago
OMG you guys are awesome you need smarter callers.
my8millennium 1 year ago
google Doe's Account. mindblowing.
Wintblash 1 year ago
I love the way he laughs after they say "What comes next?". Like he's thinking "What are they talking about, the rest of the quote, ha! Like I need to read that"
EchoGamer 1 year ago
Yes caller, you made your point and the hosts demolished it.
spackar 1 year ago 39
He did his point ? Can some one explain me how, cause i'm a stupid atheist... XD
Acrimonator 1 year ago
There has never been a bigger pwning in the history of the internet
boyinthedrain 1 year ago 4
The caller can barely read the text ... lol
ksym 1 year ago 3
@ksym I noticed that. Literacy is obviously not his strong point.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
Creationists don't know how to read...or comprehend.
emperorkang 1 year ago
@emperorkang or they wouldn't stick to only one book... XD
I love how this one was cornered and how he reacted when he realized it...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
@emperorkang or they wouldn't be creationists...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
even if darwin thought that this was absurd or even if he converted at his deathbed(which he didn't) that doesn't change the fact that evolution is true. If the pope came foreward and said that christianity is bullshit and he couldn't go on living telling people a lie i would guarantee that people would still follow christianity. they would say "the pope doesn't speak for me." I know this because i have asked what christians would do if the pope did this.
fightinglobo06 1 year ago
@fightinglobo06 your missing the point of the comment by darwin
123columbo123 1 year ago
What? A dishonest creationist?
What a surprise?
hashimirasama 1 year ago
When he says 'i have a quote from darwin' my first thought was 'you're gonna get raped'.
ebonyeclipse 1 year ago 80
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@ebonyeclipse
"When he says 'i have a quote from darwin' my first thought was 'you're gonna get raped'."
Darwin was a theist, in fact a Christian when he wrote origin of species. I love pointing that in atheist's faces.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
He done paradox it. Tell everyone.
notanon666 2 years ago
it's a nice day to start again.....it's a nice day for a white wedding.
AggressiveAtheist 2 years ago
The best response for someone who doesn't read (or understand) how Darwin's quote is a positive argument for natural selection/evolution is as follows:
Make them watch an infomercial.
"You would think I'm crazy to spill red wine on this white rug!"
-Person spills wine-
"But watch as I apply ReallyCleanItUpperSpray brand gel to the rug!"
NamesForDogs 2 years ago 5
the talk show hosts are avoiding the question bc its irelavant. during the middle of the video he explains it people.
TonPappa 2 years ago
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they were jerks to that guy on the phone lol
Squweesh 2 years ago
@Squweesh
He was being dishonest and avoiding answering.
wightboy12345 2 years ago
He asked for it. He was openly quote mining and he knew it.
Tiptoetherat 2 years ago
I had a friend pull that on me
sheppaul 2 years ago
okay, hands up: who didn't see what came next, right after 0:50-1:02, or strictly speaking what didn't came
atlachannel 2 years ago
Making this guy read the actual quote was like shoving a dog's nose into its droppings. 'Cept I wouldn't do that to a puppy.
Dan7Bow 2 years ago 4
I've actually seen some creationists omit that word "seems" when mining this quote. They know they are lying but they think it's okay because it for god. And there's nothing in the nine comandments that forbids lying.
jimbrown257 2 years ago
"Thou shalt not bear false witness" is generally interpreted as a prohibition against lying.
But you're right that some creationists will have no problem breaking any law, including their god's, if they think they are justified. I'm sure the irony of breaking God's law in an effort to get people to obey God's law is totally lost on them.
d00df00d 2 years ago 6
It must be harsh to find something wrong that Darwin ever said if you're a creationist.
And it's not like he didn't, he got tons of things wrong: the only problem here is that we only know that he did get them wrong from the newly surfaced - oh right - evidence for evolution.
Catch 22.
SexyMelon 2 years ago
Mine as well about two years ago. And then I found loads of other people like me. I now have the balls to say outright I don't follow this theist nonsense!
flyingfisbeefilms 2 years ago
Haha facepalm. Talk about digging your own grave.
madhillick 2 years ago 3
I had to face-palm for a few minutes while laughing my face off. This guy got destroyed, though I give him credit for sticking through the call instead of hanging up because he got exposed for quote mining.
MarxKnewBest 2 years ago 5
Yep, but he left claiming that he made his point... We definitely don't share the same reality... ^^
Acrimonator 2 years ago 2
Haha oh man. This guy got wrecked.
What did he think was going to happen??
Did he really think he was going to get away with picking one sentence out of a paragraph, and totally disregarding what the rest of it said??
FSMNoodlyAppendage 2 years ago 7
"why only 10 commandments, why not 9, because maybe 10 sounds a little better"
George Carlin said it a little better ;)
weepaul666 2 years ago 2
He made his point... That shit is too funny.
tx78704 2 years ago 4
Epic.
Fucking.
Win.
Eldeecue 2 years ago 5
This was the first AE video I ever saw and it rocked my world.
oraclecrank 2 years ago 6
Owned. Hard.
devil238 2 years ago 5
It hurts just listening to him. WIth every further word, his voice gets more and more pained.
AgentAlmost 2 years ago
Matt earns his degree in Awesome in this video.
CrysaniaIV 2 years ago
actually, there was 15 commandments, but moses dropped one of the tablets on the way down the mountain, felt too embarrassed to go back to the bush and ask for a reprint.
GorgeGeorg 2 years ago 39
dumb
crappybass19 2 years ago
@GorgeGeorg History of the World Part 1
kingofepic 1 year ago
@kingofepic Yep - a little quote mining of my own.
GorgeGeorg 1 year ago
@GorgeGeorg I saw that Simpsons episode, too.
mrgreyblake 1 year ago
@mrgreyblake Was that in a Simpson episode too? It was (probably) originally from Mel Brooks 'History of the World Part 1' - at least that were I got it from.
GorgeGeorg 1 year ago
@GorgeGeorg not exactly. moses had 15 commandments but when he got back down the mountain everyone was worshiping a golden idol and moses got super pissed and broke the tablets. then he releazed that was stupid so he went back up the mountain and asked for them again but he only got 10 that time.
ihmen 1 year ago
Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture (1967). anyone who believes that the first three chapters of Genesis are a literal account is ignorant either of science or exegesis.
vjohn82 2 years ago
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MagusGod 2 years ago
Charles Darwin didn't have the science that biologists today have. I'm not a scientist myself but the evolution of the eye is on youtube.
Cainkane1 2 years ago
Thanks-I'm planning to look at it when I can take the time to view it and look anything up that I don't understand-I'm no scientist-LOL!
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
I am a born again, scripture reading, Jesus believing "freak" and I really enjoyed this video and the way these 2 gentleman approached this entire topic and it shows that not only Christians but anybody can take a sentence out of any book and try to make it fit whatever point of view they are trying to prove. I even yelled out for the caller to just read the next sentence like the show host asked him to-frustrating it is-excellent job guys-accepting a view point does not make someone a disciple!
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
@gwen, your post seems odd starting with a self-proclamation of being a Jesus 'freak'. The caller was the Christian and it was he that was taking the sentence out of the book and trying to make it fit whatever pov he was trying to prove - not the 2 NON-christian hosts (i presume the 'anybody' you mentioned). and who got made a disciple exactly? what is that about?
dubbleplusgood 2 years ago
Yes, I stand behind my self-proclamation, but my self-proclamation wasn't the topic of my post. It was clear that the CALLER did not understand what he was reading and was taking what was written out of context from how the author meant it, which is what the 2 show host were trying to get the caller to understand. When they asked him to read the next sentence and he wouldn't, I even yelled to my computer "read the next sentence" and started laughing. I was not talking about the 2 host.
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
dubbleplusgood-I like your screen name, I also relistened through the video till the caller hung up and I did not hear him identify himself as a Christian, although I imagine it wouldn't be to far a leap to presume he was since it's probably safe to say that most people who argue against evolution are Christians. But, it is very possible to not be a Christian or a scientist and not agree with evolution.
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
Evolution can be defined in broad terms - A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. There is plenty of room in this theory (or I presume, a fact for you) for people or scientist not of "faith" to disagree with all the intricate details or even entire idea in general in regards to the species of mankind because of the definition above which refers to "something" not necessarily mankind.
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
Mankind, in general, can be guilty of taking information from whatever source they can find and using it to prove/justify their beliefs-not just Christians. I'm hoping as rational and logical human beings, all of mankind can agree on that truth regardless of what our beliefs/ non-beliefs are, although history books and my personal experience of 37 years on this mound of dirt called Earth leads me to the conclusion that, "it ain't probably gonna happen." LOL!
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
Disciple does carry religious connotations to it, but it is also defined as a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another. I think those 2 host did a good job of pointing out they will examine any claim made by someone regardless of whether they have agreed with them in the past. I sure hope the FDA continues to test a new medicine and doesn't approve it based on a companies past success no matter how Christian they claim to be. Amen? Bear with me, one more post please.
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
Thank you so much for asking me to clarify what I wrote. I had to look in the dictionary numerous times with all these post-LOL-I think it is what I love most about my "self-proclaimed" atheist friends, they provide excellent "reality checks" and they challenge me, O
God, it is so nice to be challenged instead of preached to, isn't it. I am looking into evolution- it is a slow process- welcome any help you can lend- BUT even if I find it to be true, I will still be a "Jesus Freak."
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
"I am looking into evolution- it is a slow process" - gwenthorn24
Yeah, millions of years even ;)
Gwen, you say you would remain a "Jesus Freak" even if various elements of your current world view are proven erroneous - is this because of the social aspect of religion; you wouldn't want to be alienated from your friends etc?
Gliktch 2 years ago
:) that was funny-lol, but I meant the process of examining evolution-I always thought there was no fossil evidence for it, but I was listening to a debate between Kirk Cameron/ Ray Comfort and two atheist (sorry, don't know there names-gotta relisten to the debates) here on utube and one of the atheist stated there was fossil evidence for it in the natural museums-oh, how I would love to spend hours roaming the halls and reading/learning-how does science believe matter formed?
gwenthorn24 2 years ago
Gwen, I don't believe with current science we can create matter - though we can certainly turn matter into energy (that's where E=mc^2 comes into play) and probably the reverse as well, but as far as I know science can give us insight into the past only to about a quadrillionth of a second after the Big Bang itself. Before that, we don't have a working knowledge of what happened.
My personal theory (which is entirely speculation) is that perhaps it's an infinite cycle of 'crunches' & 'bangs'..
Gliktch 2 years ago