Noam Chomsky: Illegal but Legitimate: a Dubious Doctrine for the Times

[arzoyan]

Capitalism is the wage slavery of humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY ,a tyrannical,destructive system to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism from its Genocidal killings of native Americans to the mercantile plundering and enslavement of African natives to its Millitaristic rise of European Powers to World wars and Financial serfdom of the world has been a DISASTEROUS minority imposition .

[TheGoldenKing20]

'A coalition of peace-loving nations led by China.'

Ahahahahhahahahahahahahah! Oooh, these far-left nutjobs crack me up sometimes.

[ericfeinberg28]

@ehudnold9 enjoy your PhD from the university of sad pathetic dumbasses

[Pianophile57]

God bless Said and Chomsky. Blessed, we are...

[Zendout1]

Gobbly-gook for intellectuals.

The simple truth:

Diplomacy is nice...but..

The world is ruled by money

--and the big gun makes the law legal.

Right now we have both.

If that changes--the rules will mysteriously change--suddenly.

--and you'll be holding this conversation again,

--in a different langauge

[BLUESGUITARMANIAC]

@Zendout1

This wouldn't happen if you have democracy.

Your own system has brought this on itself,allowed itself to become a fascist intolerant dictatorship manipulated by fascists.

Driving tanks into this country or that country will not solve your societies problems....only changing your political system WILL.

[olddouchebag]

He is good. But SO BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boomoutgothelights]

@olddouchebag This isn't boring for the intelligent.

[olddouchebag]

@Boomoutgothelights Ouch!

[tonyfalca]

@Boomoutgothelights nor for those seeking to gather any sort of intelligence :)

[DirtyRatBastards]

@Boomoutgothelights

Touché

[olddouchebag]

@OurFadedGarden Oh I know how deficient I am. You don't need to tell me. I like his content, I just find his delivery a bit boring. Maybe if he did it in the style of Bill hicks more people would listen up.

[ericfeinberg28]

@olddouchebag only to the weak minded

[olddouchebag]

@ericfeinberg28 Boo hoo my mind is so weak ;-( Help me please.

[ericfeinberg28]

@olddouchebag your screen name is apt.

[olddouchebag]

@ericfeinberg28 Yes it took many months of deliberation. I must say yours is quite spiffing too.

[Jai666666666]

So if I get the general jest of all these lectures: To have America become no#1 you have to send in the troupes,murder, rape and behead the population, then send in the corporations in force, put into power drug lords and military genocidal overlords, pollute and plunder all the resources and send everything back to the USA.Did I forget anything, some refined details..., oh yeah, make sure that the media puts the word out that this is democracy. O.K., so how do I sign up, who do we kill next ;)P

[Jai666666666]

You should have acted in 2000 in the November election when the voting machines in Florida were proven frodulent,that the voting lists were rigged by Bush's brother in Florida and that the criminal records of Bush's drinking and driving in Maine were brought forth.Short of that, you put the devil's pawn on the map,ruled satanically by a supreme court of demonic proportions and now are reaping the infested harvest of demonic entities gone rampant across the land. You are cursed, with no way out!

[arzoyan]

Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY ,a tyrannical,destructive system to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism from its Genocidal killings of native Americans to the mercantile plundering and enslavement of African natives to its Millitaristic rise of European Powers to World wars and Financial serfdom of the world has been a DISASTEROUS imposition .

[countertreason]

I just want to remind every stupid member of the Chomsky cult that they are no better than those of the LaRouche movement or any other stupid personality cult centered around a rich huckster.

Keep wasting your lives boys and girls, buy another one of his boring, repetitive books and continue to believe he is more than just a mouthpiece for a highly perverted anti-American-fetish.

[HyperEntity111]

@countertreason Fuck off you troll.

[countertreason]

@HyperEntity111 I don't think I will. I need to make sure that after you get off on this perverted bullshit that you feel a little bit guilty.

[HyperEntity111]

@countertreason You'd do much better if you could show why it's perverted bullshit instead of flinging faeces at every Chomsky video you see. You've already trolled other Chomky videos with that message. Now righties are generally allergic to the truth but you seem obsessed with Chomsky. Can it be that even the most indoctrinated neo con can't ignore the nagging voice deep down that says...Chomsky is right?

[countertreason]

@HyperEntity111 If you seriously believe some nation or another is an evil, warmongering nation that dominates the world for strictly reasons of wealth and power, but yet you still live in that nation and participate within its system - your evil yourself or a blatant liar. But its not about the truth, its anti-American autoeroticism.

As for my wide-scale attack, precisely because you people are full of shit and I constantly have to hear you people talk as if your to be taken seriously... fuck

[HyperEntity111]

@countertreason

This is exactly the kind retarded thinking that causes people to look at the American right with a mixture of pity and embarrassment. States are morally corrupt-just about every state in the world abuses human rights in one way or another. People who reside in states have a duty to expose their crimes and educate ignorant people about the atrocities their country commits. Those who attampt to hide the crimes of their state immoral.

[countertreason]

@HyperEntity111 The only thing I agree with you about is that every state (or tribe, city-state, etc) commits terrible acts of violence and will continue to do so - including America. Recognizing this as an incontrovertible fact that will never be changed (and recognizing it is completely delusional to think otherwise), then: what do we do and who do we judge as the best of the lot and the worst? What kind of ways can we promote the most peace and minimize the most violence?

[HyperEntity111]

@countertreason For example, Goebbels is regarded as immoral because he tried to cover up the crimes of Nazi Germany. But in the twisted world of the American right, Germans who protested against the Nazis werre evil because they happened to live in Germany. Iranians who protest against the crimes of Iran are evil because they happen to live in Iran. Chomsky applies the same standards we apply to others to ourselves. If you don't like what you hear don't watch his videos.

[countertreason]

@HyperEntity111 As for your comments about the American right, you are completely and utterly wrong. Right wing commentators assert the dictatorship of Iran is evil and ripe for destruction; its people on the other hand are said to be oddly sensible. It is a common vein of thought to say that in the middle east, there is a state and a people and either one is nuts or the other - in Iran, it is the state. You are truly ignorant for making assertions that are easily falsifiable.

[watayapupuya]

@countertreason You are ,in fact,counter reason.A hopelessly stupid shit.

[countertreason]

@watayapupuya Haha, ya right, "in fact". The only real facts involved here are that you are a stupid little cultist whose life and works will very likely be just as irrelevant and untrue as the political works of Chomsky and just as every other isolated conspiracy theorist in history has been, except you will not be the one that makes millions of dollars off of halfwits for saying the moronic shit - Chomsky will.

[HorustheAvenger]

@countertreason Hey! That's the same comment you put on that other Chomsky speech............

[countertreason]

@HorustheAvenger Ya... guilty. 

[alhabbo]

2 yrs since anybody commented that video...thats part of the reason why the left isnt winning in this country and why loons like fox news are growing...pity!

[catbuffalo]

The government: We has your base!

Noam: All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.

The government: Aight den!

[duncs21]

Have you ever heard anyone with better control of the language? I just love the way this man speaks.

Nothing like a dose of Chomsky to spur some thought.

[GHS948]

Chomsky is not rerflexibly against stattes. He feels all organizations, including states must continually justify their existence. If an organization, including a governmental organization or agency, proves its worth, then it is of service to the people and should continue to function. A libertarian might even like this attitude, although Chomsky is by no means a libertarian. Chomsky is devoted to democracy and government's purpose is to serve the people.

[surlagachette2]

@GHS948 Chomsky is a libertarian. A libertarian socialist. You know, the original meaning of the word.

It is not organizations that need to prove themselfs. Its authority. Organisations can be flat. Governments and corporations can not.

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

@GHS948 "Chomsky is by no means a libertarian"

Chomsky would strenuously disagree

[sphires]

@TheGodlessGuitarist Actually he does claim to be a libertarian by traditional standards but claims that the US's view of libertarianism is perverted by Ayn Rand radicals. Instead he views traditional libertarianism as "libertarian socialism".

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

@GHS948 "Chomsky is not rerflexibly against stattes"

He is not, however he is against concentrations of power, because they corrupt without fail, and thus hopes that states will disappear in time.

"Chomsky is by no means a libertarian."

Actually he is a true social libertarian, he is just not a neo-libertarian which is nothing more than a squad of numskulls cheerleading the religion of free market capitalism and deregulation for the rich, that goes by the name of The Tea Party.

[lakerfan198126]

I'm sure that a man as wealthy as Mr. Chomsky can afford a good hearing aid. Every time he takes questions, the people have to repeat themselves several times. It's a little annoying.

[surlagachette2]

@lakerfan198126 Attacking the person when you have nothing to say against the message. It seems all that the "other side" is able to do in regards to chomsky. Pathetic

[iMaDeMoN2012]

I would love to see a debate between Noam Chomsky and Christopher Hitchens.

I certain Chomsky would get Hitch-slapped. I just learned they did debate. I must see it.

[charlotteviner1]

@iMaDeMoN2012 there is an 8 part video of them together on youtube called Christopher Hitchens & Noam Chomsky on U.S. Foreign Policy

[m0kkaleiavbrukernavn]

ït doesnt matter if you agree with him or not, but Chomsky's claims are always backed up by facts. As long as what is being said is facts, your subjective opinion doesnt matter. However if you ignore to take it into account, then the blame is on you for ignoring it. If he say Bush is a war criminal, he has evidence that backs those claims.

American patriotism bases itself on the sheep mentality; you are a patriot if you dont oppose the wrong things the government does, but always support.

[iMaDeMoN2012]

@m0kkaleiavbrukernavn I must tell, 'It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.' -Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Even Chomsky is not exempt to this scientific maxim. Anyone can have facts suit all their theories but it takes real talent to have one or more non-contradictory theories to suit ALL the facts.

[centurion180ad]

I like this video. I agree with almost all of its explicit & implied principles. I do not feel that any country must be compelled to surrender its sovereignty to the United Nations.

ANY small body may become genocidal, when the BANKERS of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate buy off, blackmail & extort the members. Collectivization ALWAYS results in mass murder, plunder & enslavement BY THE BANKERS.

BANKERS ARE THE ENEMY

[punxsutawneybarney]

Chomsky recently said the US had not provided evidence that al Qaeda did 9/11, and said the Afghanistan war was totally illegal.

See my video "Chomsky on Faith-Based Wars and 9/11"

[warriorprince1010]

Noam lies in this. The treaty he talks about was blocked by France, and the UK,USA,India,China,Brasil,Arge­ntina ALL abstained. It was NOT just the UK and USA.

[CapriciousSage]

@warriorprince1010 Actually, he doesn't.

The treaty he refers to is the Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty, which the US did, in fact, have the sole vote against. This happened on November 4th, 2004, look it up.

[warriorprince1010]

@CapriciousSage "The representative of the United Kingdom expressed regret over the fact that he had been forced to abstain from the vote, especially since his delegation had co-sponsored it in previous years."... It was not a final treaty in fissile material. It was an agreement to ..."Text urging negotiations on Fissile Material Treaty". Thus just a treaty to talk about a treaty. The UK co sponsored it but I am not sure why the US blocked it, couldn't get any info on that.

[warriorprince1010]

@CapriciousSage Ok. Basically the "Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty" has not been voted on yet, nor even defined. There was a text to discuss it and the US blocked it. But it was not a treaty. They had tried before to block the production of fissile material and France, and the UK,USA,India,China,Brasil,Arge­­ntina, USA all went against it.

I find Norm is anglophobic. He seems to state that the USA, UK are the cause of all problems in the world and that capitalism is has achieved nothing.

[CapriciousSage]

@warriorprince1010 Ah, I didn't read the explanation of the treaty closely enough.

But on Noam being anglophobic, I think you are right, though in my opinion, (most of) the reasons he has for it are justifiable. And yes, he doesn't give the US and its allies any of the merit they might deserve, perhaps because there are plenty of others to do that.

[warriorprince1010]

@CapriciousSage Yes. It was merely a text, not sure why the USA blocked it. Anyway all countries that have had power had empires or fought wars, shameful history of mankind.

[whereismybailouttv]

How many books has he sold worldwide?

[dinamo4889]

Anarchists defeated the fascists in Spain maybe time has come to do the same in America and overthrow these bastards. Karl Marx has said history repeats itself I wounder how much longer will it take before Americans are fed up and start acting violently against their oppressors. I think the public overall is better educated now than they were during the 20th century therefore making it easier to replace corrupt leaders.

[Tyrfingr]

@dinamo4889 Im not sure to what extent the public is better educated to be honest, one does encounter a few enlightened folks here and there that lits some hope. But by contrast you are confronted daily and by overwhelming numbers of people of the opposite kind, whos knowledge is based on compelling public oppinions, or conspiracy theories as a result of automatic distrust of anything that they hear from popular media sources. Education is really diffuse and vauge amongst the broader masses.

[dinamo4889]

@Tyrfingr It is almost impossible to find reliable sources these days without being stuck in rhetoric rather than practicality. Sadly even independent sources have either become pc in order to be viewed neutral by its audience. I think Americans have been defeated by the financiers me included. In 2008 we needed to elect a Vladimir Putin type of leader not Martin Luther King jr. Putin has been a villain in the media because he stood his ground against corporatism and now Russia is strong.

[dinamo4889]

@dinamo4889 Putin was never a Lawyer but a true patriot he is. Try watching tv interviews with Putin and look at his eyes you won't see pre meditated que phrases instead you will see a man not a Harvard type with rich parents but a man just like you. The Russian economy is a resources based economy unlike our finance based one. Believe me or not many of my Russian friends went back home because there is more work there.

[Tyrfingr]

@dinamo4889 Everything one reads or hears needs to be cross referenced and verified. The real problem i think is that all too many people take reports, information even rumors really literally without critical thinking. The general masses really needs to question and rannsack themselves about their assumptions and beliefs about the nature of politics and government, the origin of their knowledge and the process of how they are coming to accept what they believe. Amazing what people do believe.

[owenhunt]

@dinamo4889 Well, American democracy is packed solid with well-rounded ingredients, illiterate but University educated, much to the abounding pride of an 21st century intellect.

I think the biggest danger to American imperialism is never communist China, but liberterian Europe. If the European Union can settle into a choesive unit for peace, and decides to rule against the US' enforced bankrolling of the world, the only option left would be war with Europe; America would back down.

[surlagachette2]

@owenhunt Except in reality its the same people controlling the EU and the US. The EU is a highly undemocratic institution and has gone far past what was the initial ideas that were sold to the peoples of europe when joining the union. Even a new constitution has now been passed even though it had no popular suppport (in the only country that was actually allowed to vote on it). The Eu will not be a balancing power against the US as many hope. It is just as rotten and corrupt if not more

[owenhunt]

@surlagachette2 I don't think the current EU is up to the job, but as I said, if they can settle into a cohesive unit for peace, America could have some serious considerations. Does this imagined future need some sprinklings of revolution? You bet it does, but it can happen all the same.

Importantly, the UK alone, while an important ally of the US, doesn't scare monger it's public through news feeds to quite the same extent as American newstations. The people wouldn't let it slide.

[surlagachette2]

@owenhunt But all evidence we have is that the EU is in any way or form promoting peace or justice. Ofcourse european nations COULD. but then again, so could the US. I just dont see it as something likely to happen. On the contrary ik would guess it goes the same way as the US. Centralisation of power -> Massive corruption -> Disregard for democracy and extreme manipulation.

[owenhunt]

@surlagachette2 The difference between the US and the EU is that the former is one nation ruled by an American elite. The EU only needs one serious dissident country to shake things up. Criticial thinking lends me to believe Europeans are the best chance we have for revolution; you must consider that the emerging powers of Southern America will likely build imperialistic aims not unlike the US did in the late 1700's. Ergo, the best chance we have for peace is a stern European enforcement of it.

[surlagachette2]

@owenhunt In my eyes its not a question of if the "current EU is up for the job" or not. It is an inherently illegitimate power structure and in it self is more problems then what it in theory might acomplish as a counterweight to the US policy of control and plunder.

[owenhunt]

@surlagachette2 Could you restate your last sentence for me? Thanks.

I should mention that it is Europe itself, and not the EU, that I see as the chance counterweight to US foreign policy. I don't feel that any european revolution should seek to dismantle the current power structure to clear way for a new one, purely because that gives the revolutionaries in question the opportunity to build a wonky power structure themselves. The EU needs to be claimed by the public and morphed << Possible.

[owenhunt]

@surlagachette2 Herein lies the ingredients for a revolution; a moderately well-informed public who as children grew up believing the world to be a better and more peaceful place than the epochs they read about in history books. I am a firm believer that the current US government can be overthrown in my lifetime, as that would be change. All the world ever does is change. There is no logical reason to believe more won't come.

[pvisserandorra]

I bet he doesn't insist on private jets and 5 star hotels.

[firefox8192]

it is a shame tlhat the mainstream media do not broadcast this. but i know why

[metaphora108]

@firefox8192

You've answered, dear. It's because it's "mainstream".

The thing is so obvious that it's hard to believe.

[firefox8192]

@applaya great and noble gesture , but Noam has a gift , don't stop trying.

[compassionrepublican]

a boring communist...suprise,surprise

[Seregnaug]

@compassionrepublican ROFL may your ignorance be the height of your glory.

Both of your statements are incredibly false and trollish. However, your comments also imply that your not capable of the game theory mentality of leveling that trolling would require so I revert and reinforce my initial judgment that your just well below the average intellect

Your calling one of greatest advocate of free speech on the planet, and an anarchist a communist.

A sheep creationist pawn, yawn yawn

[darkmiles22]

@Seregnaug Pretty sure Chomsky is an anarcho-communist. After all communism is just the ideology of classless society. Most people confuse communism with the self-declared communist states that were really fascist dictatorships doomed to failure/reform, like USSR and China. Imho, a gradual strengthening of democratic international institutions with the power and responsibility to punish states for human rights abuses and aggression and eventually to regulate international markets is the ideal.

[Seregnaug]

@darkmiles22 If all anarchists and socialists are Communists, then OK. When that happens though the word pretty much loses it's meaning... but I'm not gonna define terms for you. Chomsky has been cited as a Libertarian Socialist many times, but I can't tell you what he believes because I'm not him...

[timetochilli]

@compassionrepublican ur a boring and ignorant republican

[darkmiles22]

@compassionrepublican I find it hard to believe that you watched the video and found it boring. His voice maybe, but the content is fascinating. To discover as an American just how thoroughly our society has internalized certain assumptions: aggression is never justified (unless we do it), while other countries maintain the capacity to act in their own interests at our whim, and if we decide they can't be trusted anymore we can preemptively perform non-aggressive invasion and occupation.

[anonymity11]

The person at the end just ruins the event and diminishes Chomsky's authority. I don't know who he is, whether principal or moderator, both stupid nonetheless. Now I know the audience is interested in what Chomsky has to say, but the university staff probably just invites him so that it can raise reputation for the university, which means more profit. They are always out of world on what Chomsky is saying, and just sit there warped in that stupid air of deantology.

[matthewdcroft]

I'm glad Chomsky addressed the concept of provocateurs at the very end of the speech, but he's gravely mistaken to say "I don't know if that will happen here" because clearly that happens everywhere and anywhere there's protesting. It happened here in my country in Aug. 2007 for the SPP meeting which Chomsky addressed in the speech as well. A documentary was made about it called The Nation's Deathbed.

[rring88]

@verdaccio and terrorism

[mrcarlos15]

I'm kind of turned off by the American dream.

[JoelBitarProductions]

There is nothing to be turned off by. It doesn't exist.

[mayabelldotcom]

sure it does; only it is the american nightmare. read my other comment here explaining.

[ashutoshmikku]

@JoelBitarProductions

It does exist in people's mind though. You may call it delusion.

[Cosbibi]

Never seen Chomsky in a suit before!

[lordennis01]

heh

[borntobelegend]

In the U.S we have the Reagan doctrine and George Bush doctrine

[wred1str]

Notice the absence of examples in this post. Hmmmm.

[omarly666]

notice how the US had some major constitutional changes lately? not MORE freedom. it's like they made the cars: US don't listen 2 the customer, who WAS always right. now they don't care, and then don't get respect. its a pity - young nation, got 2 learn the hard way - by their mistakes. soon owned by the Chinese. Prepare for € as hard cash

[mrcarlos15]

Already owned by the Chinese, correction. The U.S. owes the Chinese close to 40 trillion dollars. If they call up on the debt, the American economy collapses. That is how fragile the economy is, people.

[dhjn4214]

Approximately the deficit that the U.S owes to China amounts to 800billion dollars.

[dhjn4214]

The 40 trillion dollars you have mentioned is the global market capitalization for all stock markets in september 2008.

[bapyou]

Chomsky is not a statist, i.e., he rejects -- on principle -- all forms of state control and state establishment. Therefore your wish that he and his "fanboys" live in a regime "founded on all the principles he's upheld" -- given his views -- is an absurd idea based on a false premise which ignores everything Chomsky puts forth in his work.

It's obvious you've never read him or even listened -- with any depth of understanding -- to the videos available of his talks on YouTube.

[gaterzick]

I don't think you have framed his viewpoint properly either. Search- chomsky and anarchism. What you just described he makes a clear distinction on in several discussions. Its not that he is against state power, rather he is against forms of government that run against against the will of the people and the interests of all, domestic and abroad. I would certainly never argue that he is a statist tho

[sh0tglass]

@bapyou agreed; chomsky is a smart man, but one should keep in mind that he is in principle an anarchist. If he had his way, there would be no state. He is nevertheless an important and influential thinker to keep an eye on.

[nthmost]

@sh0tglass A smart man, "but" an anarchist? Some of us see that as a credit to both his intelligence and his ethical sensibilities. :)

[sh0tglass]

@nthmost I understand why he's an anarchist, but in practice I don't see how this would work. Anarchy has the benefits of no controlling authority, but the downsides are so clear that even Chomsky doesn't show up at pro-anarchy rallies.

[myfreepaysite1]

@sh0tglass how do they compare to the downsides of capitalism?

[sh0tglass]

@myfreepaysite1 capitalism, or almost any other system compared to anarchy, gives some sense of order that is required for large swaths of populations to work together; the only real purpose for a country. Maybe my imagination is limited, but anarchy is difficult to envision.

[DeePhlat]

@sh0tglass "Anarchist Catalonia" on wikipedia

[donttrustany1]

when has Noam ever made anything close

to a

"knee jerk criticism" of anything?

[applaya]

I'm gonna keep reading and someday maybe be as smart as Noam. 10 books a day for the next 20 years and I'll be half way there.

[lordennis01]

I suspect if you, or anyone for that matter, keeps an interest for a particular subject(s) and keeps reading to satisfy his curiousity, the results may verywell be similar to that of Chomsky's. Granted Chomsky has been touring the world for most of his life, he seemed to make enough time for scholarly reading and publishing, which I find extraordinary.

[alwayswilling1232000]

Lol well said. I feel like that myself. Although you may be slightly more optimistic than i.

[applaya]

ha yeah probably because i'm 7 years younger.

[compassionrepublican]

@applaya all you need is1 book...the Bible

[niloclappu]

@compassionrepublican The bible is the source of massive conflict over since its creation 3 hundred years after the death of Jesus or is it Horus or Rae or shall I go on? Do the research and you will find out that the story of Jesus is old and recasted throughout the ages and if you listen to his so called teachings will be recasted again around 2150 in the new age. Open your mind and your eyes.

[devrobbiz]

@niloclappu amen, or should I say, well said.

[Drastam]

@compassionrepublican which means you must be uneducated as well as boring.

[disgracious23]

@applaya

ww w. anarchadia. c om

Check It!

[andyissemicool]

@disgracious23: Jesus Christ, it's like an html for beginners manual took a big old shit.

[SirPwn4lot]

@applaya Lol, he's written over a hundred :)

[RobertoCha]

@applaya it's not reading that much... but also thinking... reading that much without time to assimilate and integrate the knowledge is not very useful...

[warriorprince1010]

@applaya Just talk rubbish and be anti capitalist and the BBC and other idiots will think you are smart.

[slovakmath]

@applaya lol...indeed...but his allure is caused not only by him reading an extraordinary amount, but also being able to instantly recall basically anything from that work of literature

[feynman1988]

This speech was dry?!?!? Wow, I really have to read his books then.

[Tlk2435asdko43]

impending american fascism. internment camps are on the way. don't trust the police.

[nigerlover18]

Unsubstantiated claims. Paranoid delusions. don't trust Tlk2435asdko43

[Tuppington]

he's partly right. people who refuse the H1N! vaccination will be put in camps.

[mrcarlos15]

Paranoia. The H1N1 vaccinations are out there and the H1N1 isn't as bad as the news tells you. Stop sounding like a psychopath and scaring children with your bullshit.

[Tuppington]

4 laws are on the books in certain states for involuntary imprisonment... er.. sorry "quarantine"

government is always slavery man, just in different shades..

[Lion117]

Noam Kicks aZZ.

[PlasticJesus341]

I agree with this totally, I think people will be shocked how quickly the message of change gives way to the same elite aims and neo-liberalist goals we saw under Bush, just this time the people on the left will be the ones refusing to accept the truth along with the people on the right who are still going to claim that Obama is a leftist because he hasn't turned the state into nazi germany.