NEW! Hornby Railroad, R3060, Peppercorn A1, 60163 Tornado Review

[practice264]

I really like your smoke effects. Took the plunge and got the Hornby one today. Could you put a link to your video under my little review, although I think it will appear in the side bar automatically.

[simierski]

@practice264 - now done :)

[CarlyWaarly]

Confused when all three are lined up as it is not clear which one is being talked about, which one is the Bachman / Hornby and Railroad, all too quick!

[IndianaJonesnutter]

cus of this model i cant find i normal peppercorn A1 pacific

[JesusBlack14]

Ok, sorry for the second comment. Why Tornado is £76 and the Flying Scotsman is £50? What is your opinion. The flying Scotsman has tender pickup and better buffers. I'm not complaining, the price is great, but why its more expensive than The Flying Scotsman :)

[JesusBlack14]

Simon, this is really a nice model. i think i will buy one this year, but can you tell me, why Tornado is £76 b

[modelrailway100]

can you do a review on the bachmann tornado

[ludlowish]

lol i asked that before the end of your film, ok ive been answered, thanx, great video

[ludlowish]

can i just ask, what the differnce in prices are?

[TheNw1218]

Say Simon, do you think tornado will be decorated for Christmas? Cause that would be a killer Christmas video...

[animelover300079]

Now I am Planing That For Christmas

[ClassA4Mallard]

Good Reveiw, Im glad I got the Special edition now, looking at this model I can see the details that the Special Edition one has.

[joshwellburn]

My bacmann tornado was £100 so I would rather have the bachmann one.

[cyberkidmfb]

congrats on your stores opening (on amazon)

[powerboost961]

flying scotsman model? WHAT ABOUT THE MALLARD!? DO A REVIEW ON THE MALLARD!!!

[metadyneman]

Nice, unbiased look at the Hornby loco. I beleive that Hornby would do well to increase it's buget range in the current financial climate

[hornbytrainsets]

@metadyneman I KNOW RIGHT!!!???? though i can be biased a lot...

[metadyneman]

@hornbytrainsets erm... you've lost me there!

[hornbytrainsets]

@metadyneman you said "unbiased look at the hornby loco" to which i replied I KNOW RIGHT!?!?! haha

[dardy1982]

i just got one of these railroad tornado engines on ebay for £45 and its a grate engine and for a railroad engine i would give it a 9 out of 10

[bertiethebusfan14]

if you look closely you will see the bachmann torando has no vaction pipe in the front buffer beam

[bluecoatscheesypoofs]

Actally, I believe the Railroad range Tornado does come with vacaum pipes. My railroad range Flying Scotsman came with brake rods and front and rear vacaum pipes taped under the polystyrene tray. Have a look and see if your's does. I was thrilled to see those details myself

[simierski]

@bluecoatscheesypoofs - note the annotations chap - a mistake long since found and corrected! ;)

[bluecoatscheesypoofs]

@simierski Oh! Sorry about that mate. lol My fault for not looking for that ahead of time.

[southkentmodelsteam]

I got my bachmann tornado for £100

[miniTopGear]

I can't wait till I get my Railroad Tornado. Do you have the limited edition Tornado from Hornby?

[Phippstickman]

Just got my R3070 L/E version of this model & I would honestly say Hornby deserve applause for this.If anyone reading this can still get their hands on the more detailed Hornby,get yourself one,cos there really isn't a massive amount in terms of looks between that & a Bachmann.

I must say I'm damn lucky I paid £76 for what should be a £100 model locomotive.

[TheNw1218]

Both 60163 tornados are very beautiful and look like the real thing. But I'd go for the American Bachman 60163 tornado since it has more detail than the also stunning Hornby tornado.

[simierski]

@TheNw1218 - it's a case of "do you want accuracy?" or "do you want detail?" Splits the market I think.

[Rdodo67]

How about its slow speed capabilities? What is the motion like, smooth or do the wheels wobble about?

Thanks for the video.

[simierski]

@Rdodo67 - extremely smooth. Best Pacific I've had for years.

[Phippstickman]

Good observations that are honest enough,even to the point where the reviewer is willing to own up to his own mistakes.Worth buying one for my little boy anyway.

[dbdrdbag]

I really like your style of review! I wish you'd review every locomotive available on the market!!!

[TheNw1218]

I think it would be cool if tornado was painted in BR blue.

[simierski]

@TheNw1218 - I agree! :D

[BhanuHabbo]

@simierski We! Should get a Railroad Tornado, and PAINT it BR Blue :3

[Phippstickman]

@BhanuHabbo TBQH,I would prefer to wait until Hornby release a version,cos I wouldn't fancy painting over every single milimetre of apple green on one.Blue's a nice alternative I look forward to myself

[moory27]

It is actually painted in Burnswick green

[simierski]

@moory27 - it is "currently" painted in Brunswick green, it has been in apple green for two years previously.

[Donnie67654]

@simierski how much does it cost in the US and how can i buy one and how much will it cost all together? BEcause i want one

[GinGinStu]

Hi Hollpoll.

Got my Tornado from Hattons , here in Queensland last Tuesday , took 3 days .

The Video is incorect , it comes with detail pack ,lamps , vac hose and brake lines, it is hidden in back of foam box, so look for it , bits are small ,care needed on fitting.

Very tight fitt in box take care removing it , put fingers through holes in back.

[simierski]

@GinGinStu - hmmm! I did not get any of that. I will make an amendment to the video. Thanks for the heads up.

[simierski]

@GinGinStu - just to add - have added an annotation to the video to correct it. Thank you for your timely post, I don't like putting out misinformation and I am happy to correct my videos as and when required.

[deano91209]

how mucvh does this cost

[simierski]

@deano91209 - RRP is at the end of the video - £70 something pounds, can't remember off the top of my head!

[hollpoll]

A very good review sadly mine was despatched from Hattons to come here to Australia on the the 3rd June and I'm still waiting. It now takes airmail parcels three times as long to get here as it did ten years ago. (Ash clouds permitting) Not sure about those moulded buffers though

hollpoll

[simierski]

@hollpoll - the moulded buffers were the first thing I replaced on my repaint and rebuild of my model...!!!

[HereYouGoDev]

I had a thought; suppose that, like the Thomas models, Tornado received a Hornby vs. Bachmann video of her own? It's just a thought, and the choice to do so is entirely yours. In the meantime, enjoy the models!

[simierski]

@HereYouGoDev - already in development! Have to stay one step ahead of the game, you know...!

[TitanicBuff1]

I have watched your videos with great interest. And I have noticed you have many locomotives on your layout. Out of curiosity, how many locomotives do you currently own?

Sincerely,

Mitchell

Edmonton, Canada

[simierski]

@TitanicBuff1 - put it this way Mitchell, I will never have a motive power crisis on my model railway! Far too many to count, sadly with the size of layout I have, many don't get used to their full potential. Hoping to fix that with my next incarnation of "Copley Hill".

[JustInn014]

They should've painted the smokebox handle and lining. Not hard to do on your own, I guess.

[simierski]

@JustInn014 - absolutely, I did exactly that on my own one.

[LateNeverEarlyR]

Good review - however one criticism. Haulage tests on the level are fairly pointless, the majority of Hornby/Bachmann models will pull a prototypical load. Try testing the model on a scale incline, such as 1 in 40 (comparable to Lickey) to determine the true haulage capabilities of your models.

[simierski]

@LateNeverEarlyR - it's a fair point, but that's not the point of the review. It's all done on a generic train set layout - most of the people who will buy this model will have it on the flat, hauling four to five coaches. It simply demonstrates that on a normal train set, it'll have ample ability for speed/power. I do take your point mind, and agree with you, that the test would have to be changed to see the true limits of the model.

[TheNw1218]

I really like the Bachman 60163 tornado. It's more detailed than the Hornby model, and looks more like the real engine.

[TheMoylesyRockin]

Iv got the Bachmann Tornado. Im gutted that hornby are bringing out their own version. If i had waited i chould have got that.

[simierski]

@TheMoylesyRockin - the Bachmann one is excellent in its own right mind. If you don't care for millimetre pinpoint accuracy, it's more than acceptable, and a good runner too. I personally think the paintwork and detailing is excellent.

[TheMoylesyRockin]

@simierski I Agree its a good runner but it derails on My Layout. Its probably the tightness of the corners. Im hopin to do a double header run with her and Sister A1 60115 Meg Merilles on the LNER Maroon Carrages. She is a usefull loco to the operational fleet on the Wellchester Steam Railway. Apart when she is out on Mainline.

[DaRkCaBoOdLe137]

i payed $270 for my bachmann tornado in australia

[turbo1431]

what, no tug of war?

[simierski]

@turbo1431 - it'll be in the full Hornby VS Bachmann review.

[NewController01]

I've REALLY gotta get round to seeing the real deal

[simierski]

@NewController01 - she's amazing in the flesh. Takes your breath away on the mainline.

[TrainzMovieTheatre]

Great review, as usual. 

[simierski]

@TrainzMovieTheatre - thanks very much :)

[ejcmoorhouse]

nice, I like the idea of railroad range models, and when I buy (which I haven't done) an engine for my railway it'll most likely be from the railroad range but i don't think it'll be Tornado. Once nice reveiw and looking forward to more.

[simierski]

@ejcmoorhouse - it has to be said, I've been working on my tornado for a few hours now, and it is looking the part rather nicely.

[ewoutro]

greedy bachmann increased the price of their Tornado from £130 to this?

Luckily, most model shops sell it for a steal of a price from between £90 to £120.

I got mine for £115.

[simierski]

@ewoutro - dunno about greedy, the cost of manufacturing and the cost of materials has gone up markedly the last few years. It's still half as much again as the nearest German or French models in price, we're still getting a good deal.

[dcgitz]

Next, can you do the Edward vs Edward review?

[simierski]

@dcgitz - there will be a Mavis and Salty review before Edward as those videos are scripted and ready to go.

[dcgitz]

@simierski Yeah, well, you did an extrordonary job on posted Edward already; congrats, Simon! But next, I highly reccommend you to do Henry vs Henry next; as usual!

[dcgitz]

@simierski Yeah, but I saw Edward uploaded earlier than expected.

[JesusBlack14]

@simierski you`re welcome :)

[simierski]

@Loneknightrider - something of my own design and making.

[HereYouGoDev]

If I may ask, simierski, do the Tornado models give you any inspiration or ideas of any sort for the British Railway Series? 

[simierski]

@HereYouGoDev - let's just say I haven't ruled anything though, I'm fairly certain I'd need a license for said engine to appear.

[JesusBlack14]

I like the loco, its almost the same paint as the Flying Scotsman model.I have the Railroad Flying scotsman of hornby and i think to get one tornado.Great review!!! :)

[simierski]

@JesusBlack14 - thanks very much! :)

[accadaccasuperstar]

nice one simon :D

[simierski]

@accadaccasuperstar - cheers chap :)

[penninefilms]

I have to say you are brilliant at doing review of theses models and the Thomas ones.

[simierski]

@penninefilms - thank you kindly chap :)

[gwsr55]

Great Video cant wait for the full review do you know when you will post it?

[simierski]

@gwsr55 - it will probably be a few months down the line (pun intended!) - when the Hornby special edition variants are available, I would guess.

[speedracer456v]

absolutly fantastic! great lookng model. on e quick question, will you be reviewing the US tour Flying Scotsman?

[simierski]

@speedracer456v - if I can afford it next month, yes...!!!

(What have I started, lol)

[HughTheB12]

I definitely want the Bachmann A1 model now.

[simierski]

@HughTheB12 - it is a pretty model, isn't it? I think both Hornby and Bachmann versions will have their place, and people will buy one, or the other, and in my case, both for various reasons! The quality of the metal castings and the paintwork made me buy the Bachmann model - not accurate to extremes like the Hornby one, but still terrific quality all the same.

[HughTheB12]

@simierski At first I was gonna buy the Bachmann one anyway but when I heard about the Hornby one, I thought I'd wait until it came out and see reviews but after seeing this, it just doesn't look right to me :-/

[TimeVortex97]

Once again this really wants me to get out my hornby stuff again and make a video :)

[RASDV]

Superb balanced review!

[simierski]

@RASDV - thank you very much :)

[Bachmannmodeler]

Good, This will hold me over till Edward Vs Edward(!)

[simonthebailey]

14 coaches, very impressive for a Railroader.

Thanks

[simierski]

@simonthebailey - not too shabby! I am sure with the standard Bachmann coaches it could have been a different story (they are heavier). The simplicity of the Hornby MK1s is that they are freely available, cheap, and for the most part, similarly weighted to one another.

[willtilston567]

You didn't do the tug of war? only Joking thank you for that review i always wondered how the Hornby Railroad ranged compared to a regular model

[simierski]

@willtilston567 - I was tempted, but I want to leave those two tests for the full spec models against each other.

[Damocles178]

Strangely some of these Railroad Models are pretty close to the equivalent price you would've paid for a Normal Hornby Model ages ago. I remember ages ago you could buy an A4 for £80.00 but now in recent years it has skyrocketed to over £100....The current Railroad A4 is about £71.99 which isn't too far off. Still the Railroad Range are very impressive models and I rather like that Tornado model; cheers for reviewing it :)

[simierski]

@Damocles178 - don't forget, the railroad Mallard is better technically than the A4s you could for £80 ten years ago...!

[tich4472]

yes i have been waiting for this one for ages! thanks for bringing it out simon :D

[simierski]

@tich4472 - my pleasure!

[dankerthanclanker]

@tich4472 Wait... you have a sound fitted bachmann one?

[tich4472]

@dankerthanclanker yes i do :) had it for ages but getting a hornby one fitted sometime

[dankerthanclanker]

@tich4472 are you going to renumber it ?

[tich4472]

@dankerthanclanker renumber it? tornado hasnt changed numbers just colours and tender logos. no i have ordered the hornby tornado in brunswick green with coaches pack then getting that fitted with sound

[zachinger]

what about the speed run and tug of war?

[simierski]

@zachinger - will appear in the full hornby vs bachmann review.

[Damocles178]

@simierski Bachmann Branchlines vs Hornby Railways? By the emperor this is serious thread. Jokes aside this will be a very interesting competition as both are famed for quality :) Bachmann Branchlines is a very strong contrast to Bachmann Thomas for obvious reasons :) BTW I've been meaning to ask; do you know that locomotive in the old Caledonian Set? Is there information on it's prototype ? :) The set in question has a blue 0-4-0 tank engine and three blue 4 wheel coaches :)

[simierski]

@Damocles178 - the four wheel coaches do have a prototype, but it's not caledonian! The 0-4-0 is a class 0F Caledonian Pug, one of which (or a similar one) exists in preservation somewhere, off the top of my head.

[Damocles178]

@simierski Thank you for the information :) I wasn't very clear when I said that and I apologize; the set was called Caledonian Local and I can understand the confusion it caused with the similiarly named Caledonian Belle as the locos in both sets are different :) I've always wondered about it because my first Hornby Trainset had an engine like it and it was red and said Queen Mary on the side.

[hiesler]

Would this be the same model that is the prize for the PWay competition?

...and what is the 4-8-2 in the last shot?

[simierski]

@hiesler - nope, I have a spare one for that! ;) The 4-8-2 is my new PW staff comp model, to replace no. 20000.

[trainlover658]

Heres a thought Simon, The railroad range is also reviving the LMS midland compound locomotive. I'd think its time to see if hornby have done any improvements to the engine, in terms of detail, strength and power. The new generation vs the old generation!

[simierski]

@trainlover658 - I'll have a think about that. One to ponder, certainly. :)

[thegoldenarrow1995]

It's a nice model indeed but I'm gonna wait for the brunswick green pack to be released. Nice review!

Matt

[simierski]

@thegoldenarrow1995 - thanks matt :) Aye, I'm looking forward to the Brunswick green one too. I missed out on the first round of Brunswick Green Bachmann Tornados.

But it's the express passenger blue, and ex-works grey I'd love to get a hold of.

[simierski]

@TMRReturns - or try Hattons - no affiliation here, just a very satisfied customer.

[No1thomasfan2010]

that bachmann tornado price is a rip off

i got mine for £89.99

[simierski]

@No1thomasfan2010 - it's called the "recommended retail price" and the price at the vendor may be lower. The RRP is what I give, and I did say "shop around" in the video.

[No1thomasfan2010]

@simierski i know but still its a bit much£141 for a 00 scale model train

also a great review i prefer the bachmann one :)

[simierski]

@No1thomasfan2010 - I am very fond of my Bachmann one - they are both great models in their own way. I do think the green on the Hornby model is too dark, there again the Bachmann one is too olive coloured. Apple green seems to be a supremely difficult colour to get right.

[XShadowx78]

I do like the railroad range quite a bit, I buy most of My Rolling stock from it, as well as My S&DJR Tank engine, which, for being what my dad calls "a cheap, low detail" range (pretty sure thats the point!), look good on any layout and offers Cheaper prices, making it ideal for both starters and older modelers!

[simierski]

@XShadowx78 - it's definitely a very good budget range, that is for certain.

[Nictrain123]

Original and interesting

[Nictrain123]

That would be VERy

[Nictrain123]

@pennyf9 my feelings exactly btw Simon love the review ablnd how you strayed from the original routine. Vey nice. Hope to see something else like this too. What about reviewing the new hot wheels delorean models and see which is the best.

[simierski]

@Nictrain123 - I do have one of the hot wheels delorean models, a golden set that fascinated me when I saw them the first time.

[J50Tank8905]

I always like Tornado ever since I first saw it.

I was thinking about making it in Thomas Trackmaster Form using a Gordon and (possibly) Henry.

[simierski]

@J50Tank8905 - sounds very interesting - let me know how you get on! :)

[FAZER00432]

this hobby sesms just as if not more expensive then my RC aircraft hobby

[simierski]

@FAZER00432 - it depends what you buy, and how much you buy! ;)

[pennyf9]

Tornado is a cool locomotive, love the model, you think Britain should build an E2?

[simierski]

@pennyf9 - only if there's someone who has the money, ability, patience, and won't immediately paint the damn thing blue...!!! ;)

[C0BO]

And another brilliant review it's a shame that their was no tug of war lol or no Bachmann Tornado vs Hornby Tornado. But any way even though it looks and is cheap I like the Railroad Tornado and I going to get one myself.

Could the next review be about Bacmann Pannier vs Hornby Pannier please?

[simierski]

@C0BO - I will certainly have a think about that.

[ThomasPercyandToby2]

That's a DEFINATE one for my collection! Time to save up for it methinks :)

[RandomPoseidon01]

I saw this, and my mouth began watering

[simierski]

@RandomPoseidon01 - nice isn't it? ;)

[RandomPoseidon01]

@simierski i feel like it would be insulting to say, "HELL YES" when its clearly an understatement

[eddierools]

I have the Bachmann Tornado, brilliant model. And seeing how much better detailed it is compared to the Hornby Railroad one, I must say I love it even more than i did before i watched this video, definetly worth the money for accuracy, detail and power.

[simierski]

@eddierools - I do like my Bachmann one too - it's not perfectly accurate, but it captures the essence of the real thing.

[sirrliv]

An excellent review as always, Simon. Very interesting how this budget still holds up so well against its more expensive counterparts, even if it does have to sacrifice some detail.

I noticed though that unlike your Thomas reviews, this one didn't include a speed trial. Why was that? Was it because there was nothing to compare its speed to, or because you were worried about damaging the model as you did in your Spencer review, or did you not want to risk seeing Tornado flying off the table?

[simierski]

@sirrliv - the speed trials and tug of war only happen when I am comparing two similar models. The high spec tornado from bachmann and hornby will do all of the above.

[LNER4771]

3:16

Smiley face on firebox!

[simierski]

@LNER4771 - smiley face? :S

[LNER4771]

0:39

Those wheels sure are slipping. Ought to throw more sand on the rails.

[simierski]

@LNER4771 - pacifics and most locos with a rear truck arrangement tend to do that - pacifics do it because as they move forward, the weight shifts onto the cartazzi, and the front wheels lift slightly.

[trainmaster844]

Well done, Simon! I was hoping for this review to come out and I think the Hornby Railroad "Tornado" is pretty good, considering it's low budget production.

[simierski]

@trainmaster844 - my only two reservations are the plastic buffers (horrible, changed them on mine) and the lack of painting the smokebox door straps. That's literally it, for a budget model of 60163 I think it's rather smart.

[SkarloeyRailway01]

Man she looks good!! :D I'd love to get her!

[BramGroatFilms]

Thomas and James have slipped into this video I see! :)

[simierski]

@BramGroatFilms - use of "stock footage" - it's good to build up a library of stock footage for videos! :)

[thomasrosiefan1]

Hopefully Tornado will soon run with Flying Scotsman when the Scotsman steams this summer.

[simierski]

@thomasrosiefan1 - you never know...! ;)

[Henryfan3]

great looking model I hope to get one even though they are hard to find in america but isn't she now repainted in a british railways dark livery

[simierski]

@Henryfan3 - try Hattons - good prices, and shipping costs!

[UltramanCronos]

Beaufiful model.

[majormagna]

When, the detailled Hornby version is released, it would be brilliant if you did a Bachmann Hornby comparison.

[simierski]

@majormagna - definitely going to happen. ;)

[kjnic3]

A very comprehensive review there Simon. Good to see that the Railroad range is still able to hold its own, despite some minor downgrades in comparison to the higher-spec models.

For a "one-of" model by Hornby, it seems they've gone all out with getting the correct shape of the A1, together with it's modern alterations. Could we be seeing a LNER/BR Peppercorn A1 in future to compete with Bachmann's, perhaps?

And btw, what is the "Mountain" arrangement locomotive that Tornado passes at the end?

[simierski]

@kjnic3 - no, they went all out to get Tornado's shape right. Tornado has many detail differences to the other A1s, this is the point I was making.

[UnionPacific7004]

I have to say, the Hornby Railroad Tornado is a fine engine. But for me, I think I'll wait for the other Tornado to be released, since the detail is more accurate.

[simierski]

@UnionPacific7004 - we shall see on that score. I'm somewhat perturbed by the plastic buffers, rather hoping this is not repeated on the super detail model.

[UnionPacific7004]

@simierski I don't think you'll have to worry on that note. Details on the other Tornado did state it would have spring buffers.

[SnowflakeTH]

Lovely review Simon, this has been an engine of my interests, as well as the 2P. Will definitely consider.

[simierski]

@SnowflakeTH - just seen that the 2P has had another price rise - what are Hornby thinking?! Thanks for the kudos chap, appreciated :)

[SnowflakeTH]

@simierski Price raise huh? Looks like I'll be bargain hunting, or have to settle for Bachmanns new 0-6-0ST for a cheap BR livery loco haha.